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== Looking for one book.  ==
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== Through the Budgerigar ==
  
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Hello. I am Looking for one book. I only remember the beginning of the piece. Some guy found a derelict computer, sat down at it and started doing something, and then he saw a man with a gun walk up to the desk, they looked at each other in silence for a while, then the guy mechanically pressed the Enter button and the man shot him back. The work was read in the 1990s or very early 2000s. The piece appeared no later than the 1990s (probably earlier). I also remember that the guy was doing something enthusiastically on the computer: at first he typed without looking at the screen, but the message on the computer monitor made him do his work more slowly and carefully. The phrases went something like this. The message on the computer screen made him work more carefully. Behind the desk stood a man with a gun in his hand. The guy had never seen a real gun, except in the movies, but he knew immediately what it was. The guy's hand dropped mechanically to the Enter button, and the same second the black muzzle of the gun burst into flames, ending his life. Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 01:23, 6 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: Nothing comes to mind, I am afraid. There are a couple of Reddit forums that may be worth a shot: [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/ Tip of My Tongue], which handles all types of media, and [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/ PrintSF], which specializes in printed speculative fiction. The Usenet group [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written rec.arts.sf.written] may be another place to check. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:49, 6 January 2023 (EST)
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== To the Sound of Freedom II==
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:: Sadly. Thank you. Wrote in the first and third place, in the second they require 2 days from the date of registration. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 15:05, 6 January 2023 (EST)
 
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:::Another possible place to check is [https://community.abebooks.com/s/forum-topic-results?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI&type=Community%20Forum Book Sleuth] on the AbeBooks site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:09, 6 January 2023 (EST)
 
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:::I've updated the [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|ISFDB FAQ]] with a section containing the above links. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:14, 6 January 2023 (EST)
 
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::::Thank you, I wrote. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 05:02, 7 January 2023 (EST)
 
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::::I wrote: 1. [https://community.abebooks.com/s/question/0D53n000092akFOCAY/a-guy-gets-into-an-unattended-computer-and-gets-killed-with-a-gun-for-it-a-detective-or-maybe-a-thriller?language=en_US&topicId=0TO3n0000003yS1GAI Book Sleuth], [https://www.reddit.com/r/tipofmytongue/comments/1046dwp/tomtmovie2000sa_guy_gets_into_an_unattended/?sort=new tipofmytongue], [https://www.reddit.com/r/printSF/comments/105spj3/looking_for_one_book/ printSF] and [https://groups.google.com/g/rec.arts.sf.written/c/4p_Z6o_Uc38?pli=1 rec.arts.sf.written]. Where else to write? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 06:58, 8 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Title Merge -- post-submission pages enhanced ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Post-submission pages for Title Merge submissions have been enhanced. They now correctly display embedded HTML and properly link to third party Web sites. Displayed field names are now more meaningful. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)
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== HG Wells and His Critics ==
  
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== Award Editor -- post-submission pages enhanced  ==
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https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Top Science Fiction ==
  
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Post-submission pages for Edit Award submissions have been enhanced. They now link to the main Award Type page for the award's type, correctly display embedded HTML and link to IMDB where applicable. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:52, 6 January 2023 (EST)
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https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)
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:I will add the Spanish one.  What the heck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Request Currey check (print, 1979) ==
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== Pachter ==
  
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''The Body Snatchers'' (1955) publication record {{p|211333}}, primarily by User:Bluesman who is no longer with us, implies that Currey is the source for cover artist "Stuart Treslian". That reference should be to print [[Reference:Currey]] rather than the L. W. Currey website, which does not name Stuart T nor any cover artist in current descriptions of two copies ([https://www.lwcurrey.com/pages/books/129296/jack-finney-walter-braden-finney/the-body-snatchers one at US$4500]).
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)
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:I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher.  I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator.  I found Pachter's [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bibliography.html bibliography page], and this listed in the "Translations" section.  But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has [http://www.joshpachter.com/bib/bib.styx.html this], where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one.  So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision?  Dunno.  Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Spelling "Stuart Tresilian" may be expected. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stuart_Tresilian Stuart T at Wikipedia]. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 14:04, 12 January 2023 (EST)
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== Star Gors ==
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:The entry for this book in Currey is not the source for the cover artist, and doesn't ordinarily provide the cover artist in the entries.  I'm certain that [[Reference:Currey|the reference]] is what [[User:Bluesman|Bill]] was referring to in the note.  However, I believe he was only indicating that Currey stated that there was no statement of printing.  You may also find [[Reference:Verification Sources|this chart]] helpful.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:15, 12 January 2023 (EST)
 
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:: Thanks. Layout supports your interpretation.
 
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:: That chart of ISFDB Verification Sources will be useful. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:03, 13 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Fiction series(?): Body Snatchers, The; Invasion of, The ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=exact&TERM_2=star&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=contains&TERM_3=of+gor&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)
  
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We have 1955 T{{t|437}} and rewritten 1978 T{{t|186595}} versions of this Jack Finney novel, as distinct parent titles with multiple variants (some under shared titles), presumably because the rewrite has been judged "great enough" (DO NOT MERGE, Mhhutchins, 2008-12-13).
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== Night Mayor Cover Art ==
  
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Those need some linkage. (I will need to re-revise the former parent Title note, item 2.) I suggest a Series containing numbered versions 1 and 2. Is there any reason not to link them by a fiction series, rather than multiple cross-reference links? --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 09:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== New Publication -- post-submission page in the process of being updated ==
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:I have the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?44644 UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor]. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Post-submission pages for "New Publication" submissions are currently in the process of being updated. The first patch was installed a few minutes ago. It tweaked the way the "Title" section is displayed.
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== Darrah Chavey's Passing ==
  
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Upgrading the software behind this Web page is a delicate process because some of it is shared with other post-submission pages like "Clone Publication". It will take a few patches to get everything updated. In the meantime, if you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:15, 13 January 2023 (EST)
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I was saddened to read this morning of [[User:Chavey|Chavey]]'s passing in [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-10-24-tom-swift-and-his-scrolling-pixels/ File 770] (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll).  It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)
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: It does look a little jarring without a label at the top of the first table but I will wait to see where that ends before complaining about it properly. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 13 January 2023 (EST)
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:I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)
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: Oh, one thing - html in the Moderator notes is not resolving. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5540454 example] [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 13 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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:: Investigating... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 13 January 2023 (EST)
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:: Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)
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:Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)
  
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::: OK, the missing header ("Title Data") has been resurrected and "Note to Moderator" has been changed to display HTML correctly. All previously upgraded post-submission pages had the same HTML display issue, but it didn't become obvious until NewPub was upgraded since Fixer uses HTML in moderator notes. Thanks for reporting the problems! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:32, 13 January 2023 (EST)
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== Barn Owl ==
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:::: Looks good now. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:16, 13 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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(unindent) The "Title" section has been further enhanced for AddPub submissions. It now displays all field values for the title record that the new pub is about to be attached to. It doesn't include reviews, tags, a link to the parent title (if there is one), variants or other fancy things that the regular Title page displays, but it's a lot more data than what was displayed before the change. The new format also has a new section header, "Automerge title data", which hopefully makes it easier to tell that the submission is an AddPub and not a NewPub. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:52, 14 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)
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:I separated out [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296 Barn Owl Books (UK)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?83339 Barn Owl Books (USA)] based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/frances-lincoln-acquires-barn-owl this article]. When untangling publishers, the [https://grp.isbn-international.org/ Global Register of Publishers] can be of help. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: The "Publication Metadata" section has been updated to display embedded HTML tags correctly and to allow multiple warnings per field. A few yellow warnings have been tweaked and I plan another pass to upgrade the rest of them once I update ClonePub, Import/Export and EditPub to use the same software. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:32, 17 January 2023 (EST)
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== Pat Frank Title ==
  
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:: I suppose that "Post-submission pages" include "Approved ..." among others. Approved New Publication; Approved ClonePub; Approved Publication Update --all retain(?) link label "New record:" in the footer. Approval timestamp 2023-01-17 21:28:23 for the mildly offending PubUpdate. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:09, 19 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)
  
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::: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?928677 this recently created pub]'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pub_history.cgi?928677 Edit History], I see that the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527716 NewPub submission] which created it links to the new record at the bottom of the page, which is as it should be. The subsequent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527989 PubUpdate submission] also says "New record" and links to it even though it's no longer a new record.
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== Sue Robinson ==
  
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::: It looks like it's an old bug introduced back when Edit History was implemented a couple of years ago. {{Bug|824}} has been created -- thanks for identifying it! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:14, 19 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)
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:I separated out ''The Amendment'' to {{A|Sue Robinson (I)|373246}}. The author blurb for ''The Amendment'' does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list ''The Amendment'' as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:::: It should be fixed now. Thanks again. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 20 January 2023 (EST)
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== Peter Goodfellow ==
  
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== Looking for a sci-fi title ==
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http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Hello everyone, I am looking for the title and author of a SF short story (or novel) in which a NASA-type company sends chronically unlucky people to unknown planets. Since these people are dogged by ill luck, the company figures they will encounter all the problems there are : monsters, eruptions, and so on. And that will be a good way to prepare for the planets’ exploration. Does anybody happen to know, by any chance, the title or/and author of this story ? Yves Lavandier {{unsigned2|07:15, January 18, 2023‎ |Yves Lavandier}}
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== French Swastika ==
  
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: I have no recollection of a plot like this. Can you perhaps give a line of time it might have been published in? (It sounds more like a classic plot: 1940s to 1950s, I'd say). [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 12:15, 18 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)
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:You can try one of the resources listed [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|here]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 18 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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::Sounds like the plot of Robert Sheckley's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?46023 The Minimum Man]. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 14:07, 18 January 2023 (EST)
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== UK Omni ==
  
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== Annals of Klepsis ==
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https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?2779; https://archive.org/details/annalsofklepsis0000laff; Active verifiers, look at this, it's got stuff crossed/whited out on front and back covers, a pasted string of numbers on copyright page, etc. Alternate edition or something, maybe, if anyone wants to enter it. It was added in Feb. 2021, just after the last PV. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5547100; This was uploaded in April 2021; I made an attempt at entering it ("borrowing" the phrasing of the price info from other records on ISFDB) but I'm sure editors who enter French books regularly can add some stuff after my edit is approved. I notice someone named AlainLeBris did a lot of them; is he still editing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 January 2023 (EST)
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== Tiret-Bognet ==
  
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: AlainLeBris's last activity date is 2022-01-22, almost a year ago. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:03, 18 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Robert Silverberg's "We, the Marauders" and "Invaders from Earth" ==
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Silverberg's 1958 novella, {{T|67050|name=We, the Marauders}}, came out a few months earlier than his 1958 novel {{T|2798|name=Invaders from Earth}}, although they are basically the same story. As such, it has often been viewed (including in our records) that the novella came first, and was then expanded into the novel. In a post yesterday on the FictionMagsIndex mailing list, Silverberg corrects that impression, writing:<br>
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"After 65 years I don't have a clear recollection of how the changes in INVADERS FROM EARTH came about. I do recall that I wrote the book for Don Wollheim at Ace and then offered it to Bob Lowndes, whose pulp magazine SCIENCE FICTION QUARTERLY could handle long stories. The title "We, the Marauders" on the magazine version was Lowndes', though I liked it. I don't recall whether he or I did the cutting, or how the changes in plot came about. The Ace version was the original one, though."<br>
 
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I have updated the title notes to both the novella and the novel to reflect this information. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 13:08, 18 January 2023 (EST)
 
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: (I reviewed those Title notes but don't know the story.) I submitted update, and noted "hold for User: Chavey", of the NOVEL note as "the same story" ==> "nearly the same story" ... "and the cuts create a different resolution to the main character's personal story." The latter information, from the novella Title note, seems too important to omit from either one. Also I showed strong approval of the paragraph break by replicating it here for the novel, which unfortunately creates a mass of text in the "Differences".
 
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: I would have named the "writer's blog" that is also the "FictionMagsIndex mailing list", if I understand correctly. I won't make the call that it belongs in the Notes but hope you will identify it here with a link. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:53, 19 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Ohioana Book Award ==
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Here's another award I found. It's not a specifically genre award, but there are genre winners regularly appearing in its list of winners. [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/past-award-winners/ Main list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/other-awards/ additional list], [http://www.ohioana.org/programs/ohioana-book-awards/ general info]. They appear to be all juried awards, given out since the early 1940s.
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== N. Katerli ==
  
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List of categories:
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)
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*Fiction
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:It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)
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*Nonfiction
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::Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)
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*Middle Grade & Young Adult Literature
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::Okay, everything is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373565 here], now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)
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*Juvenile Literature
 
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*Poetry
 
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*About Ohio (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)
 
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*Walter Rumsey Marvin Grant (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)
 
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*Readers’ Choice Award (the only non-juried award)
 
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*Alice Louise Wood Award
 
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*Anniversary Award
 
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*Award of Merit
 
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*Career Award
 
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*Citation Award
 
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*Editorial Excellence
 
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*Head Award
 
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*Krout Poetry
 
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*Ohio Favorite Author (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)
 
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*Ohio Favorite Book (not sure if there are any genre winners in this one as I haven't had time to look)
 
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*Pegasus Award
 
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*Sesquicentennial Award
 
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*Ohioana Fellowship
 
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*Ohio Favorite Book
 
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*Ohio Favorite Author
 
  
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I can enter them once they're created. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:13, 18 January 2023 (EST)
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::: Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: I am not sure how many of their categories have SF awards, but I have found at least a few genre authors: Andre Norton, Lois McMaster Bujold, Virginia Hamilton. If there are no objections, I can create a new award type, which will let moderators create categories as needed. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:01, 18 January 2023 (EST)
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== Terry Venables ==
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::Yup, that's pretty much along the lines of what I found. Edward Eager is in there, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:00, 18 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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::: Done. It's our [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 100th Award Type]! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:32, 21 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)
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::::An auspicious beginning, to be sure. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:12, 23 January 2023 (EST)
 
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::::Took a while, but I think all of them are entered now. See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?100 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 3 March 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== S.E.P. SF ==
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: Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is '''the''' Terry Venables. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)
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::I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terry_Venables Terry Venables]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29174; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483; Likely these 2 records are for the same book, but each contains info the other doesn't. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:39, 19 January 2023 (EST)
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== Alchemy Magazine ==
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:I agree. I've merged everything to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?363483 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:13, 19 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Amazon cover images in publication records ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)
  
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[1] Given some stable image file.jpg under "images/I" at Amazon, do we have any reason to prefer one of the addresses https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/ and https://m.media-amazon.com/ ? Is it valuable to change our URL from one to the other, upon noticing an address change at the Amazon product page?
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== Dinotopia Digest Novels ==
  
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[2] Do we have any reason to prefer linking a cover image at Amazon or linking one at Open Library? If not in general, then a match with stated printing number, available via "Look inside" at Amazon or "Preview" at Open Library but not both, is one attractive criterion. Image quality is another. Most recently I chose to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5545586 link m-media-amazon.com] rather than [https://openlibrary.org/books/OL28305950M/The_particular_sadness_of_lemon_cake Open Library OL28305950M] because the latter image looks "too dark" to me. (Only now I see that "Preview" reveals a 9th printing, and Amazon UK/US provide no "Look inside".)
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I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)
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<br>--[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 12:56, 19 January 2023 (EST)
 
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: As for the OL/Amazon - both are stable (As long as it is an /I/ image in Amazon so use whichever looks better and is of better quality overall. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:37, 19 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Clone/Export/Import -- post-submission page updated ==
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== Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella? ==
  
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The "Publication Data" section of the post-submission review page for Clone/Export/Import submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)
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I did a word count on a digital version of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1832 Eric], and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. [http://www.locusmag.com/index/b381.htm Locus] calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Clive Barker Author Photo ==
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: My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?71; I did some Clive Barker book edits recently and, as far as I can recall, his photo was broken because it was from one of those sites that don't display HTTP images correctly after our server move (or possibly it was just a bad photo and I decided to replace it), so I substituted a color photo from FantLab of Barker in his library that's very recent judging by his appearance, which is not very pleasant these days due to all his medical problems. Today I randomly came across his page again and saw that someone replaced that with a different photo that's not only in black-and-white but very old judging by his youthful appearance, plus it has one of those long WEBP URL's Amazon was using for a while recently. Is there any way to see a history of who edits author records? I'd like to know who changed it. I'm going to re-replace it with the FantLab photo and hopefully it will stay that way this time. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:36, 22 January 2023 (EST)
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:::: It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:::I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: In this case the change was made by [[User:Stonecreek]] in submission [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5527111 5527111] on 2023-01-01. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:13, 22 January 2023 (EST)
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:::: I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:: Stonecreek, you say? What a shock. Anyway, my edit is pending to change it back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:40, 22 January 2023 (EST)
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::::: (Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:::In order to prevent a continuing edit war, I've put the further edit on hold. Could [[User:Username|Username]] and [[User:Stonecreek|Christian]] as well as any other editors with an opinion on which image should be used please come to an agreement here before we further churn the author image?  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:21, 23 January 2023 (EST)
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(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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:Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. [[User:TerokNor|TerokNor]] ([[User talk:TerokNor|talk]]) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:::: My opinion is a recent image, like the one I added from FantLab seems to be (they have 2 others which are old and B&W), is better because he doesn't look anything like he did in his heyday when he was rather handsome. However, if someone feels like they really need to see an overly bright B&W photo from decades ago on his ISFDB page, so be it. Maybe after he's dead (which may be soon judging by his appearance these days) perhaps a recent photo will be more appropriate then. I doubt I'll be around to add it, but maybe someone else will. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:34, 23 January 2023 (EST)
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== Late Mods ==
  
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::::: There were two reasons for me to change the image: the first is the more handsome look (I do think that we should aim to have no images that would possibly intimidate an author or his/her readers), the second that Amazon seems to be more stable & is somewhat more official. I could live with the other image but do fear that it would lead towards users escaping Barker's summary page as fast as one could. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:48, 23 January 2023 (EST)
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I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:::::: Pending edit's been sitting in my list for a long time so I just cancelled it. I did, however, make another edit today (pending) replacing the ancient Ramsey Campbell B&W photo on ISFDB with a recent color one on Amazon of him in all his chubby glory, so one Brit horror writer falls, another rises. It's hard to say who looks more unhealthy these days, Barker or Campbell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:39, 26 January 2023 (EST)
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== Australasian Horror ==
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: The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".
  
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https://australasianhorror.com/competition/ahwa-competition-past-winners/; I was doing some edits for the first issue of Hub Magazine and 1 of the stories by Liam Rands was an honorable mention for this award (he won for another story the next year); there was discussion here recently about awards so this may be something someone would want to enter. Awards are still going as of 2022. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:39, 22 January 2023 (EST)
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: The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Moll/Head Virgin Planet ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)
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== One Hundred Years of Science Fiction ==
  
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:::: A new award type and two award categories [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?101 have been created]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 28 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)
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::::: Jusges?--[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:36, 28 January 2023 (EST)
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:It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? [[User:Mellotronman|Mellotronman]] ([[User talk:Mellotronman|talk]]) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)
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::OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Tom Palmer ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Lone Star Law ==
  
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== Inter-author collections of speculative drama ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)
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Good afternoon, everyone. Are there inter-author collections (Anthology, Almanac) of speculative drama? Thank you in advance. --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 02:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)
 
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:* [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?30649 "Six Science Fiction Plays"] anthology, edited by Roger Elwood, Washington Square Press, 1976, ISBN 0-671-48766-3.
 
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:* [http://borealispress.com/BookDetail/rid/913/New%20Canadian%20Drama%20Vol.%208 "New Canadian Drama Vol. 8: Speculative Drama: Roswell, Eden's Moon, Alien Bait"] edited by Scott Kesi Duchesne, Borealis Press, 2002, ISBN 978-0-88887-265-4. 
 
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: --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 11:01, 27 January 2023 (EST)
 
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::* Thank you so much, are there more examples? --[[User:Strannik27|Strannik27]] ([[User talk:Strannik27|talk]]) 13:40, 3 February 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Edit Pub -- post-submission page updated ==
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: The Note field says:
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:* Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.
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: Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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::I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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The Metadata (i.e. top) section of the post-submission review page for Edit Publication submissions has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:02, 19 January 2023 (EST)
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::: Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Robert Bloch Book Duplicate ==
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== Recording plagiarized work ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1941501; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?551231; I started to enter the HC edition, mentioned in the note by the PV, using FantLab's copy but decided to check further and it's already on ISFDB; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?30351. Both HC and TP were entered many years earlier so I guess nobody checked first before approving PV submission. I've made a (pending) edit adding ID, full cover and cover design note to the HC, but there's a problem. PV did a lot of work entering the contents, which nobody did for the 2 records entered earlier, but he got the format wrong and entered it as a collection instead of non-fiction (it has both fiction and non-fiction, so who knows). So some more astute people here should decide what to do, which to keep, possible merges, etc. I'll leave a brief note on PV page about this; they're still active. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 27 January 2023 (EST)
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A couple of days ago [https://file770.com/pixel-scroll-1-19-24-all-these-pixels-are-someone-elses-fault/ File 770 reported] (item 5) that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3221864 "After the Flood" by John Kucera] was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:I still have the TP handy if you want to point me in the right direction. Still mostly a novice at this. I appreciate this resource and like to contribute how I can. [[User:Fenrix1958|Fenrix1958]] ([[User talk:Fenrix1958|talk]]) 21:10, 27 January 2023 (EST)
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: Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::Thanks for responding so quickly. I randomly came across the Bloch book you entered and thought I'd enter the HC edition you mentioned in your note since FantLab has many photos of it, but I found it hard to believe that nobody ever entered it, and after checking further I found both HC and TP editions which, judging by edit history, were entered in the very early days of public editing here. Yours was in 2015, so I'm not sure why a moderator approved it when it already existed and had the same ISBN, but the problem is that you actually did the hard work of entering the numerous contents, unlike the others, but didn't enter the month, made it a PB instead of a TP, made it a collection with Bloch as author instead of non-fiction with Matheson and Mainhardt as editors (I'm not even sure what's correct because it includes Bloch stories but also essays from many other people about Bloch, so anthology, maybe?). So I was wanting people who, unlike me, have been doing this for a very long time to chime in and suggest what should be done because your hard work shouldn't go to waste, but several different people made edits for the edition you didn't enter so it wouldn't be right to just delete that. I've been editing for just over 2 years but am rapidly losing interest due to a variety of reasons, so I won't be of much help to you, I'm afraid; I just do simple stuff these days. Someone else will respond shortly, I'm sure, and this will be resolved soon. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:03, 27 January 2023 (EST)
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:All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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:::This is the most relevant section of [[Help:Screen:NewPub#Publication_Type|the help]]:
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:: Thanks all! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::::''NONFICTION. This type should be used for books that are predominantly or completely non-fiction. This includes book-length works of non-fiction or books containing essays by one or more authors. A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant. A single work of fiction in an Isaac Asimov essay collection does not make it a COLLECTION. A book of fiction (NOVEL, COLLECTION, or ANTHOLOGY) containing a generous, but not predominate, amount of non-fiction, such as introductions, essays, and other non-fiction works, should not be typed as NONFICTION. Mixtures of fiction and non-fiction are more usually found in magazines than they are in books, so the question does not often arise.''
 
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:::I'd wait a bit to see if there are any opposing viewpoints, but it looks to me like the book is '''''predominantly''''' the Bloch stories and poem, and most of the essays are introductions to those works.  However, it also has more -- and a wider range of -- essays than we would normally see as supplemental material in a typical collection.  So it strikes me as a book assembling Bloch works and a lot of other material, as opposed to a book about Bloch that happens to contain some of his works.  If you have the book, you can make a more informed judgement that I can.  If it's primarily a book of Bloch works, I would use ANTHOLOGY as the least bad fit, with Matheson and Mainhardt as the editors.  If the book is primarily about Bloch, then NONFICTION would be more appropriate. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:45, 28 January 2023 (EST)
 
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::::My edit for the HC was just approved after a long wait (I made a minor error in the note so that new edit still has to be approved), but I think I'm done and so someone should decide what to do with the 2 separate but equal paperback editions now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:03, 14 February 2023 (EST)
 
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:::::HC copy just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, now I'm really done with this and so someone may want to decide what to do re: the above. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:35, 31 March 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== L. R. Giles/Lamar Giles - Canonical Name ==
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:::At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1570478 this one]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::::I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3205023 Summer 1993]" and what the original title was. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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:::::How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::::::Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up [https://eunoiareview.wordpress.com/2023/11/16/fanlight-and-ice/ this] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123001032/https://www.silverblade.net/tag/john-siepkes/ archive]), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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::::::Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: [https://web.archive.org/web/20230604133528/https://thewildword.com/poetry-john-kucera/ Wild Word], [https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html Lothlorien Poetry Journal] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004257/https://lothlorienpoetryjournal.blogspot.com/2024/01/john-kucera-exposed-as-serial-plagiarist.html archive]), [https://twitter.com/OneArtPoetry1/status/1747732242581876815 One Art Poetry on X], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230922115703/https://oneartpoetry.com/2023/09/11/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ One Art Poetry], [https://web.archive.org/web/20230530004119/https://www.fictionalcafe.com/spare-parts-poetry-by-john-kucera/ The Fictional Cafe], [https://web.archive.org/web/20240122101438/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2024/01/17/it-was-bound-to-happen-eventually/ Sparks of Calliope] (see also [https://web.archive.org/web/20240123004746/https://sparksofcalliope.com/2023/09/22/two-poems-by-john-kucera/ this page]), [https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 New Reader Magazine] ([https://web.archive.org/web/20240123005036/https://issuu.com/newreadermagazine/docs/nrm_issue17_lowres_1_/s/16096176 archive]), [https://bsky.app/profile/wnwagner.bsky.social/post/3kj5gwyptla2o Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky], and I'll add more later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Our canonical name for this author is currently {{A|L. R. Giles}}, presumably because that's how his first three SF stories credited the author back in 2004-2007. However, over the last 6 years he has published 4 SF novels and 2 stories as "Lamar Giles". A 2018 reprint of a 2006 story also used "Lamar Giles".
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(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:
  
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Are there any objections to changing the canonical name to "Lamar Giles"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:41, 28 January 2023 (EST)
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* word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers
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* more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works
  
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: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?276372 Done]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:58, 1 February 2023 (EST)
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The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4950 ''Casca'' series] were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.
  
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== Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase - call for editors to assist ==
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Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. [https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgressionFantasy/comments/18v1d5e/attention_authors_of_rr_there_has_been_a_spree_of/ this episode over the Christmas holidays]. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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Hello everybody! As all webzines, including those with mainly non-genre content, are now being indexed following a policy change in October 2022 regarding the Rules of Acquisition (as per [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Webzines_inclusion:_Proposed_extension_of_ROA this discussion]), I recently started indexing speculative contributions appearing in the last two-and-a-half years of [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/index.html Page & Spine: Fiction Showcase]. This webzine began publication in 2012 and ceased on 6 May 2022. It will be taken offline permanently on or about 6 May 2023, i.e., in about three months or so. My focus on those issues published between January 2020 and May 2022 is mainly because of the addition of a speculative fiction and poetry section called 'Outta This World' from May of 2020. However, some speculative contributions continued to be published in different sections, such as 'Crumbs' (for drabbles, jokes and short-form poetry) and 'Kid Stuff' (stories and art by under-eighteens) and, prior to the establishment of the 'Outta This World' section, speculative stories and poems could be found in other sections across the site (e.g., in 'The Reading Lamp' and 'Stories').
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== Bard II ==
  
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It will be a challenge for me to complete the period from 2020 to 2022 in the three months available but there's no way I can cover the earlier years alone (if at all). Would anyone else be interested in covering the earlier (nine) years? It's possible that after May 2023, most - if not all - of the webzine could continue to be indexed using the Internet Archive but I suspect that lacunae would occasionally be found in the latter's coverage.
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)
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:Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)
  
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It may be the case that earlier issues contained only a small amount of speculative material so this might facilitate more rapid indexing, though of course the stories, poems and essays will still need to be read to determine their eligibility.
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== Galactic Central Images ==
  
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Note that 'issues' are distributed across different sections and have been archived in different ways (e.g. under a specific section or under a particular author). The final issue appears on the current home page with items shown listed under each section. Each item appearing in the same issue will bear the issue date in brackets after the title. They can be found grouped according to month under most sections, e.g. 'The Reading Lamp' section is indexed for the period December 2013 to May 2020 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/the-reading-lamp-archives.html here] while that for 'Crumbs' is indexed for the period December 2012 to April 2022 [https://pagespineficshowcase.com/crumbs-index.html here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:34, 29 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:Oh, and the series page on ISFDB is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68935 here].--[[User:Explorer1000|Explorer1000]] ([[User talk:Explorer1000|talk]]) 12:51, 29 January 2023 (EST)
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: Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Rozic/Rosick ==
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== German Playboy ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=letter+to+roger&type=Fiction+Titles; I was adding a few links to stories from bloodrosemag.com that are on ISFDB and this dude's name is a mess. He had a story in Pulphouse which was reprinted many years later in a horror anthology under a different name; his story on Blood Rose, https://www.bloodrosemag.com/archives/sep%202001/craziedaze.html, spells his name differently at top and bottom. I did an edit (pending) making Rozic an alternate name of Rosick, but I'm not touching anything else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 29 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Ongoing cleanup of post-submission pages ==
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== Brian Ames Title ==
  
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I am in the process of removing obsolete code which was previously used to display post-submission pages and was deactivated last week. I am also making minor improvements to yellow warnings as I go along, e.g. I am currently working on making the "Price" field support multiple yellow warnings. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:07, 29 January 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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:Merged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2148942 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)
  
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: Catalog ID- and ISBN-specific yellow warnings have been upgraded to support multiple warnings per entered value. Pre-1970 pubs with an ISBN now generate yellow warnings. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:42, 29 January 2023 (EST)
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== Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK? ==
  
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:: Price-specific yellow warnings for prices now support multiple warnings per entered value. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:04, 29 January 2023 (EST)
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The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.
  
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::: Yellow warnings for image URLs now support multiple warnings per entered value. Certain odd Amazon URLs may generate more than one warning because they break more than one of our rules. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:35, 30 January 2023 (EST)
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The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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:I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)
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::I also agree.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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::: I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)
  
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:::: Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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::::: But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help.
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::::: And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other.
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::::: If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Broken Galactic Central image links ==
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:::::: Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.
  
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Can anything be done about this? —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 13:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)
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:::::: It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.
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: See [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Galactic_Central this post] for an explanation. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:04, 30 January 2023 (EST)
 
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::Rats! Thanks for the info. Is there a way I can make Google Chrome show the images, by allowing insecure images? I tried allowing both isfdb.org and philsp.com to show insecure content, but it didn't seem to do anything. —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 16:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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:::::: If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)
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::::::: That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.[[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)
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:::# Scroll way down through the "Permissions" and look for <code>Insecure content</code> with a danger triangle to the left and "Block (default)" to the right.
 
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:::I hope that helps. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:25, 30 January 2023 (EST)
 
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::::HOORAY! It works! Thank you so much! —[[User:Rosab618|Rosab618]] ([[User talk:Rosab618|talk]]) 20:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Biffignandi ==
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:::::::: You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?107101; https://archive.org/details/aless-andro-biffignandi-illustration-art; https://archive.org/details/sex-and-horror-the-art-of-alessandro-biffignandi; Biff apparently did a ton of art but ISFDB, oddly, only has 2 German krimi covers and an American cover for an Anne McCaffrey book (?!?) Anyway, I have a feeling the books linked above may be of use to those who enter all those obscure foreign covers. Be warned, however; there is much, MUCH nudity, including some pretty racy stuff. I do like the cover near the end of the 2nd book, however, where a weird-looking shark is chasing a woman swimming with a BABY in her arms. Is that an Italian thing? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)
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::::::::: Good point! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Drew S. ==
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(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.
  
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Drew Struzan is a well-known artist, today I added a link to an Archive.org copy of a novel he did the cover for, credit was to Drew Struzman, searching for that name only hit on that book, I asked PV who entered it as Struzan to check but SFJuggler doesn't always respond, so if anyone else has a copy of the 1991 Bantam Falcon edition of Indiana Jones and the Seven Veils you may want to check the copyright page. Struzan has no alternate names on ISFDB, so this may be the first. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:43, 30 January 2023 (EST)
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I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)
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: As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me.
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: I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Creative Guy From Canada ==
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:: After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?23801; I did some editing for Lucy A. Snyder book, publisher is Canadian, my price fix adding the "C" is the only one, should all be "C"? There's also 1 price missing and 1 where editor entered British price for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 31 January 2023 (EST)
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:: However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:
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::* The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.
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:: This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?
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:: If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)
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::: That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Riley Art ==
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:::: OK, {{FR|1592}}, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1468203; Is this, https://fantlab.ru/images/editions/plus/big/220727_19, actually by David A. Riley, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19937? He has 2 cover art credits, both discovered by me some time ago, and I think this may be another piece of art by him. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 31 January 2023 (EST)
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=== Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome ===
  
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== French Bardin and Dick ==
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{{FR|1592}} has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22terrain-vague-pour-la-traduction%22+&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate; I added Archive.org link to Tor TP of P.K. Dick's The Man Whose Teeth Were All Exactly Alike and added another link to the Paladin edition I did an edit for a long time ago, but there's another edition, a French one, and while searching for other books by the publisher I found they did an edition of Bardin's Deadly Percheron, although the French title is Big Clogs or something similar. So if anyone who regularly enters French editions wants to enter those. Oddly, there are publishers with the same name on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terrain+vague&type=Publisher, but one published LONG before these 2 books came out and the other I'm not sure about, having published only an art book and a French novel, with no translations of American books. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:36, 31 January 2023 (EST)
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== Moondust ==
  
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== The Big O ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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:That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Public_domain#When_does_copyright_expire? here] for more details. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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:Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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::So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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:::This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?936; I added a D. Wheatley edition from this publisher and noticed the series, Plus, spells the publisher with a capital O. So should the publisher be spelled with a capital O, too? Also for the other series with A.C. Doyle books? Because on the Wheatley book it does look like they made the O big, since it stands for Oswald and so it makes sense that a person's initial would be capitalized. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:00, 1 February 2023 (EST)
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:::: The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to [https://www.gutenberg.org/help/copyright.html Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files], which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.
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:That seems appropriate. I found [https://archive.org/details/untramwaynommemo0000iris this scan] where the cover and title page have a stylized "NéO" logo (where it's hard to tell whether the "O" is capitalized), but title page says "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" and the copyright page says "&copy; Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO) 1981".  So it seems they used the big "O".  Two more scans corroborating that: [https://archive.org/details/troissaigneursde0000finn] and [https://archive.org/details/lhopitaletautres0000walt]. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:38, 1 February 2023 (EST)
 
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::Based on that title page, the publisher should be "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" rather than "Néo" or "NéO". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:56, 1 February 2023 (EST)
 
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:::All three of those scans have: "NéO" [in stylized form] (over) "Nouvelles éditions Oswald" on the title page.  The copyrights use "Nouvelles éditions Oswald (NéO)".  Dates are 1981, 1982, and 1986.  In the 1986 book on the page facing the title page is "Voir liste des libraries NéO en fin de volume." and "Maquette: Studios Knack/NéO" (referring to the cover illustration).  The 1982 book's copyright page's list of other books by the same author has a citation that uses "Nouvelles éditions Oswald/NéO".  Whether it should be "NéO" or spelled out doesn't seem clear-cut to me.  But if the short form is what should be used, then I think it's clear the capitalization should be "NéO", not "Néo". --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 14:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)
 
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::::Yes, the stylized "NéO" is the logo, and the name of the publisher is "Nouvelles éditions Oswald". If the publisher information is on the title page, we always go with that over anything on the copyright page or elsewhere. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:43, 2 February 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Frankenstein Glut ==
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::::However, reading the copyright statement on the [http://www.luminist.org/archives/ main Luminist page]:
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::::* This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase.
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:::: I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the [https://copyright.columbia.edu/basics/fair-use.html "fair use" doctrine] which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)
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:::::OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5569772; PV is very gone, as can be seen there's a bunch of messy details I've tried to note/fix, LCCN ID on OL leads to a record which mentions a collector ed. and a paperback but there's only one edition on ISFDB, copyright page also mentions the 1977 Mews edition was shorter and substantially different and so wouldn't it be considered a separate book? Anyway, I noticed somebody made an edit for a Glut book today so they or someone may want to look at this after it's approved and see if they can do anything more with it. Donald N. will need to be made a variant of his real name, anyway. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:53, 1 February 2023 (EST)
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:::::: Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause ([https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#107 Section 107 of the Copyright Act].) Instead it comes from [https://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap1.html#108 Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives"]. Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.
  
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== Making of ROTJ ==
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:::::: I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hachette_v._Internet_Archive Hachette v. Internet Archive] in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?957601; $4.25 edition has been here for years, I added $3.50 edition recently, I moved 2 ID over, $4.25 either is Canadian with higher price, later printing, whatever, but both PV are gone, so if anyone here knows what's up a C should be added to price or date should be changed to 0000, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 2 February 2023 (EST)
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::::::: I have started a [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Linking_to_third_party_Web_pages_--_defining_.22legally_posted.22 Rules and Standards discussion] to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Reactor?!? ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?192541; Several PV, some active, nobody added Roman numerals to page count, one of the PV should do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:32, 3 February 2023 (EST)
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I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)
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: Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)
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: And the [https://reactormag.com/tor-com-to-become-reactor-debut-new-site-on-january-23rd/ announcement] and [https://reactormag.com/answering-your-questions-about-tor-coms-change-to-reactor/ Q&A] about it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Self-nomination for self-approver - Pwendt ==
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:: So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Chinese Godzilla? ==
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I nominate myself for self-approver. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:20, 3 February 2023 (EST)
 
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:'''Support'''. [[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 21:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)
 
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:'''Support'''. Does a good job. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:46, 8 February 2023 (EST)
 
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: '''Support''' (and changing the title of the thread so it is clear what this is for :) ) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:55, 8 February 2023 (EST)
 
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: '''Support''' -- Apologies for missing this earlier and not responding sooner. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:45, 9 February 2023 (EST)
 
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: '''Comment'''. I haven't worked on Pwendt's submissions lately, so I'll abstain. One issue that I encountered in the past was lack of clarity in Notes. My recommendation would be using shorter complete sentences with a subject, a predicate and an optional object. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:54, 9 February 2023 (EST)
 
  
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=== Outcome ===
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https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Magic German Cats ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?285521; I added links to 2 club editions recently, today a link to Arrow edition, Hutchinson edition has no price or cover artist, SFE says Chris Yates, this STAINED eBay copy has a flap photo which is blurry but a 2 seems to be the start of the price, https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/380896522207, so if anyone can find somewhere that shows better photos or owns a copy then price can be entered and cover artist (on back flap, I assume, although it may just be design) can be entered if warranted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:43, 3 February 2023 (EST)
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== ZOLTAR ==
  
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== The Turner Diaries ==
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_verifier&O_2=exact&TERM_2=Zoltar&USE_3=pub_title&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=pub_title&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_year&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1601834; I came across a copy, uploaded to Archive.org a little over a year ago, and while making an edit remembered I had done an edit previously, which turned out to be not long before the copy was uploaded (I hate when that happens). Anyway, after my new edit is approved, there's 2 questions: name's spelled Macdonald, not MacDonald, but when changing that it still looks like MacDonald even though it's in a new column so it sees it as a change even though it doesn't look that way. Is that a quirk of ISFDB? More importantly, there's an essay by someone with the same name who I highly doubt is the same guy who wrote this notoriously violent and racist novel, and none of his 5 wives mentioned on his Wikipedia page were named Gina (I suppose it could be a relative), so I'm sure the essay writer, assuming they're still alive (it's been 40 years), would like their name moved to a separate record if they're not that other guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:11, 4 February 2023 (EST)
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== verification email  ==
  
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: When you enter or edit an author name, a publisher name, a series name or a publication series name, the ISFDB software first checks the database to see if we already have it on file. The check is not case-sensitive, so "ace books" will find "Ace Books", "george orwell" will find "George Orwell", etc. Once a matching name has been found, the software uses it instead of the form of the name that was actually entered. The process ensures that we don't end up with multiple separate records for the same author/series/publisher/etc due to capitalization mistakes during the data entry process. If we determine that the capitalization of the canonical name/series name/etc is incorrect, as is apparently the case with {{A|Andrew MacDonald}}, we can edit the main record directly.
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I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? {{unsigned|Starman99}}
  
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: That said, the fact that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5574438 this submission] shows "Andrew MacDonald" in the "Proposed Changes" column may be a bug. I'll take a closer look tomorrow. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 23:17, 4 February 2023 (EST)
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: I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:FAQ#What_if_I_don.27t_receive_the_confirmation_email.3F discuss in the ISFDB FAQ]:
  
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:: I have confirmed that this problem affects both Edit Title and Edit Publication. {{Bug|826}}, "Edit Title and Edit Pub do not check for author case properly", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:23, 5 February 2023 (EST)
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:* Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.
  
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:::Coincidentally, famous artist LeRoy Neiman has all 4 of his credits on ISFDB as Leroy. Fixing the first one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575086, I subbed R but pending edit says r. So I assume it takes a while for your bug fix to start working? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:54, 5 February 2023 (EST)
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:::: {{Bug|826}} is just a document describing the reported bug and how to recreate it. I am currently working on a software patch which should fix the problem. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 21:39, 5 February 2023 (EST)
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: Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Red Skelton Book ==
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== Ace Dates ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575145; I asked about this last July 4 on this board, MartyD agreed with adding the "e", neither of us ever fixed it, I came across this randomly today and am finally fixing it. I trust nobody has any objection? PV is gone. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:34, 5 February 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Price Of Three Women ==
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== Berthon ==
  
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This is a bit complicated. A stray mention of Anne McCaffrey on this site spurred me to see if I could enter anything interesting by her, skipping over her endless Pern books, and I decided to start with her non-genre works. That was a mistake. She published 3 gothic novels in the 70's which were collected by Tor as Three Women and published in either Dec. 1991 or Jan. 1992. So searching ISBN on OL found a record with no book but it did find a copy on Archive.org; searching for their URL, threewomen00mcca, on OL found a record with a link to the copy, so why ISBN doesn't is unknown because it's there on the page. Anyway, the copy is ancient, having been uploaded in 2010, but is missing the copyright page. Noticing the price was higher I created a new record with an "unknown" date and a note about it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5575697. The problem is that I can't find a single photo online of a cover with the $4.99 price on it; I suspect there is none and the real original price was $5.99. Locus has much incorrect info, and searching ISBN in contents found these, https://archive.org/search?query=0-812-50587-5&sin=TXT; ignoring the 4 unrelated books, that Brown/Contento book is Locus with the same info found on their site, but that YA guide says $5.99. I find it very strange that multiple copies with extensive photos can't be found since most of her books were big sellers with large print runs and many were reprinted. I was going to cancel my edit and just add the copy link and the page numbers to the existing record, but decided not to because there's still a slim possibility it was originally $4.99. So check your shelves or the dark corners of the web, readers, and let me know if you can find a copy with that price. EDIT: My edit was rejected for some reason over my head so if anyone else wants to enter it, go ahead. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:22, 6 February 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)
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:If you were confused as to why it was rejected, you could have asked.  I rejected it because it was creating an new OMNIBUS record without any content.  Nor was there a moderator note stating that you intended to add the content in a subsequent edit.  There are three ways you could have added this publication record.  You could use the add publication tool, and manually add the contained novels in one edit.  Then you would need to merge each novel separately.  You could also use the add publication and in a subsequent edit import the three novel titles.  If this was your intent, it's a good idea to note this in the Moderator notes, so that we'll know that you intend to finish the edit.  However, the most efficient way to add this publication is with the Clone this Pub tool.  That way, all the contained novels will automatically be copied and it will all be accomplished in a single edit rather than 2 or 4 edits.  Hope that helps.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:22, 16 February 2023 (EST)
 
  
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== Stockholders in Death ==
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== I'm looking for a book title ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?3560; Archive.org copy of #7 since 2010 that nobody ever entered here so I just did in a (pending) edit, but publisher is Warner PL; several entries omit the Warner on ISFDB, so should all of them, including this one, be made Warner PL, too? Did PL, no Warner, publish any of them? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 7 February 2023 (EST)
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Hello everyone,
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I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. {{Unsigned2|19:21, February 1, 2024‎| Firefighterbgrg }}
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:If no one here is able to help you, we have a [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book|section in our FAQ]] that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Author name validation enhancements ==
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== Darrah Chavey ==
  
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The way the ISFDB software handles author names in Edit Title, New Pub, Add Pub, Clone Pub, and Edit Pub has been enhanced. The following scenarios are now processed correctly:
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I learn via [https://news.ansible.uk/a439.html Ansible] today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( [[User:PeteYoung|PeteYoung]] ([[User talk:PeteYoung|talk]]) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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* The same author name is entered using different capitalization, e.g. "David Weber" is changed to "david weber"
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: Yes, indeed. There was a brief [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Darrah_Chavey.27s_Passing Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11] and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)
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* The order of co-author, co-artist, co-interviewee, co-interviewer, co-reviewer or co-reviewee names is changed
 
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== Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures" ==
  
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Hopefully every permutation has been addressed/fixed. If you come across anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:53, 7 February 2023 (EST)
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Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that {{A|Gardner F. Fox}} published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic ''Strange Adventures'' #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".
  
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== Great SF About Doctors ==
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The whole thing is available [https://thedorkreview.blogspot.com/2012/01/adam-stranges-magic-maker-of-rann.html online], illustrations included. Should we treat ''Strange Adventures'' as a non-genre periodical and list this story? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=%22Great+science+fiction+about+doctors%22; I added a link to original edition, fourth printing is on ISFDB with correct date but wrong printing and date in note, I added a link and fixed the note, cover artist is Don Ivan just like the fifth printing, so there's a lot of confusion, especially since the 2nd printing has no PV and nobody's entered the 3rd. So maybe someone can look into that and unmerge/un-variant; I have a feeling all the editions with that cover have Don Ivan on the back. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:22, 8 February 2023 (EST)
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:I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the {{Series|Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol}} series that originally appeared in {{Series|Captain Marvel Adventures}} comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== C. Alexander London canonical name ==
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== Lost Ark Storybook ==
  
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Are there any objections to swapping the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?231877 here] to Alex London. The longer name had not been used for a long time and all new books use the shorter name. SFE also has the record under Alex London. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:46, 9 February 2023 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)
  
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: It's a slightly unusual case in that his first series appeared as by "Alex London", the second one came out as by "C. Alexander London" and the last two went back to "Alex London". Be that as it may, "Alex London" is currently leading 8:3, so I think it should be the canonical name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:01, 9 February 2023 (EST)
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== Rise of the Silver Surfer ==
  
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== Series with non-fiction and short-fiction only ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)
  
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When a series has only non-fiction and short-fiction in it, it shows up in an author list as a "Nonfiction Series" (As the only container title is non-fiction, it kinda makes sense). However, it is factually wrong and we are a fiction DB after all. As novellas/novelettes are popular (both as "juvenile novels under 40K" and as self-published or e-only non-juveniles), this is happening more and more often. As soon as a collection of more than one of the stories show up, the collection title bumps the series into the Fiction category. But in the meantime, it lags under Non-fiction.
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== Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea ==
  
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Any chance to have these shown up in the Fiction series list? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37710 this series]. See where it shows on the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?112144 author page]. Thanks!
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https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5579477; It says 19.95 on back, librarian typed 21.95 on first page like ISFDB says, Locusmag says 19.95 but also says 1989 is the date yet they didn't see it until Aug. '90 for some reason, after this is approved someone more hip to these tangled Starmont/Borgo things may know more about if this is a 2nd printing, if they suddenly decided to raise the price before the 1st printing, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:44, 10 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== HELP! A Bear Is Eating Me! ==
 
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https://openlibrary.org/authors/OL9881165A/Mykle_Hansen; English edition just uploaded to Archive.org, I added a link, but French version uploaded back in 2021 in case anyone wants to enter that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:13, 12 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== SFE Clute ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5581010; Why is this happening now? Did they change again? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 12 February 2023 (EST)
 
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: This is the first "clute_uk" URL that I have seen. I am going to ask the SFE administrator whether it's a typo or a new part of their URL structure. Thanks for reporting the issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:31, 12 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?38262; Search on Archive.org only brings up 1 copy but as can be seen at the OL link, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL5981610M/Twice_twenty-two, there's 1 of those weird "preview" copies; it doesn't really have the cover art like the thumbnail shows, just red cloth binding like the other copy, but it's a different copy. So if anybody knows which edition they belong in, if it's one of those later ones mentioned in the ISFDB notes, etc., then link(s) can be added; note also that OL mentions a 1994 Buccaneer edition. Also, Mugnaini's cover art was missing the month and his frontispiece was only included and dated based on the book club edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=twice+twenty&type=All+Titles, so I've fixed all that in (pending) edits; note also the last entry with a month that matches neither edition and is from a Virgil Finlay book. What's that about? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:47, 14 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1440471; https://catalog.loc.gov/vwebv/holdingsInfo?searchId=13630&recCount=25&recPointer=3&bibId=3359893; The original Finnish edition is not on ISFDB but it is on the Library of Congress site in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. I just added an Archive.org link to the Prime Books edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:17, 14 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Grindhouse ==
 
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https://archive.org/details/grindhousethesle0000unse; Would the inclusion of the entire screenplay for Planet Terror qualify this for entry here? I've been wanting to find something with Tarantino's name on it so I can add his bio and find the most unflattering photo of him possible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?147497; Interview is with this guy, https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0606889/, not the guy from the 1800's, but does that interview about a movie really belong here? If it does, some addition to interviewee's name is needed to differ him from the dead guy. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:50, 15 February 2023 (EST)
 
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: I'll differentiate the name: thanks for finding this. The interview does belong here because it was published in a genre magazine. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:36, 16 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Whimper of Whipped Dogs ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=whipped+dogs&type=All+Titles; Today is the anniversary of 911 calls here in America, starting in 1968 and prompted by the murder of Kitty Genovese a few years earlier which was the inspiration for this story by Harlan Ellison. I was looking for an online PDF and found this, https://xpressenglish.com/whipped-dogs/. I'm going to add the link but I'm curious where that drawing came from. Anyone recognize it? also, at the link above, the 2 essays seem like the same thing but there's no variant. Are they the same? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:24, 16 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Lester Dent Bibliography ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lester+dent+bibliography&type=All+Titles; https://archive.org/details/lester_dent_bibliography; 1996 date doesn't match either version on ISFDB and it seems to have been published as an e-book or something. Lots of Doc Savage work done recently here so maybe somebody wants to enter this or at least knows where it originally came from. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Squires Knight ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?834417; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?173963; I added an Archive.org link to the Leisure edition by Knight and checked his real name and found that he originally published What Rough Beast under that name. What's the variant rules here? Who's the parent? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:45, 17 February 2023 (EST)
 
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:Where it's only one title under each name, it doesn't matter much.  But I found an archived copy of his website http://www.harrysquires.com/ in the Wayback Machine, and in a 2012 version there is: "Now writing horror as H.R. Knight, Harry...".  So it seems he deliberately changed his horror-writing identity from Squires to Knight.  So I'd make Knight the canonical (which also works well because the publications under that name are more recent and more plentiful). --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 10:01, 17 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Post-submission display of Contents sections improved ==
 
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The way Contents sections are displayed on post-submission pages is in the process of being changed. At this point NewPub and AddPub submissions have been upgraded. Their Contents sections now properly display multiple yellow warnings when warranted. They also indicate which submitted author name is new, which one is an alternate name or which one is a disambiguated name. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:55, 17 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Filaria ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1258490; A copy was uploaded a few months ago on Archive.org; it revealed that the page count and the price here were wrong, I fixed those and added the link, but the review at Strange Horizons calls this the first book from Chizine and says 2008, as do all copyrights in the book itself. Why it has a late 2009 date here I don't know, and I also don't know why there's such a big gap between the first Chizine book here, January 2009, and the rest of their 2009 books. So real date is needed for this book and probably others from this publisher. Also, while researching this I saw an expired eBay sale for a 100-copy HC, which I believe Chizine did for many of their books, often including extra material, but very few seem to have been entered here, so there's that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 20 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Earthman, Come Home ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229485; I noticed a M. Ayme Mayflower edition said Dell on cover and Google Books had it with Mayflower-Dell on copyright page so I fixed that but this isn't on Google. It says Dell on cover, both PV haven't been around for years, but knowing these old paperbacks I hesitate to fix it without someone seeing a copyright page. So if anyone owns this edition can you check and see what it says inside the book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:17, 20 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Come Softly, Come Sweetly... ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?362038; I added info to the only issue of D. Sutton's British Shadow fanzine, from 1971, that's on ISFDB and Eddy C. Bertin has a story, "Come Softly, Come Sweetly", in it which isn't on ISFDB but his 1971 Dutch collection, linked above, has a title which translates to the English title, just with added words, so any Dutch people who are familiar with his extensive bibliography will probably know which came first and can variant as needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:36, 20 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?325553; Does that seem right? It should be other people named Mark Williams, shouldn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:04, 20 February 2023 (EST)
 
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:Two things: (1) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is matched up with forms of "Mark" is a bug.  I would bet the issue is the "(".  The ambiguity matching logic probably isn't paying attention to whether the parenthesized expression is at the end or is embedded in the middle. (2) That "Mark (Wills) Williams" is not matched up with forms of "Mark Williams" is a limitation/feature of the current matching, which doesn't consider names containing middle names (or initials, etc.) to be ambiguous vis-a-vis the same combination of first and last name without any middle name.  I don't think we'd want "Mark XYZ Williams" to be shown as ambiguous with "Mark Williams", but I guess I could see showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams".  You'd have to lobby Ahasuerus on that one.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 09:41, 22 February 2023 (EST)
 
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::: Re: ''showing "Mark Williams" as ambiguous with "Mark ABC Williams" and "Mark XYZ Williams"'', that's a whole different can of worms. If you do a name search on "John%Smith", you'll get a list of a dozen names, including:
 
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::: First we'd have to decide which ones are considered ambiguous. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:04, 2 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== Created By Matheson ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?8191; The advance reading copy, https://archive.org/details/createdby00math, says 352 pages on the first page, it's actually 344, ISFDB says 324. Anyone own a copy who can verify what the actual page count is? There are also Roman numerals at the front; no editions here have them. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Brutarian ==
 
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https://archive.org/search?query=brutarian&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; Heads up that someone, after uploading 3 random issues years ago, started uploading more issues recently. This was not strictly a genre magazine but included some genre fiction/non-fiction, especially in later issues, some of it by big names. ISFDB only has a few late issues entered; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=brutarian&type=Magazine. I distinctly remember seeing issues on the newsstand at some store in New York City back in the 1990's or maybe a bit later, so it got some distribution, I guess. I got an R. Crumb vibe from it, though, probably due to the type of cover art they used, and didn't really peruse it. Crumb's art always made me nervous for some reason. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:27, 21 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Bonus fiction in novels ==
 
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Why is a 'bonus' short fiction title allowed in a novel, but a serial installment is specifically excluded? There are a number of publications, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714319 example 1], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714583 example 2], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?714262 example 3], where we're forced to misclassify what is clearly a serial installment. I don't see a downside to lifting the exclusion. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:05, 22 February 2023 (EST)
 
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: Because allowing SERIALs in books at all is a relatively new development. It used to be magazines and fanzines only. Then we allowed chapbooks. I think we should allow it in anthologies, novels and collections as well - especially because Magazines reprints are added as anthologies/collections AND because in our digital world, serials are used as bonus almost anywhere. Post over on R&S and we can hash it out and change the rules for serials. One thing to make sure we clearly separate - excerpts vs serials (it is intent that separates them essentially) :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:13, 22 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Moonchasers TP ==
 
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I've done a lot of Ed Gorman edits recently and this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?284334, is a problem because the HC is & on the title page but no photos of the TP title page can be found. Does anyone own the TP? I've got a half-dozen edits on hold because mod won't change unless I show that it's & in the TP title, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:09, 23 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Sword & Fantasy ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?33789; Some weeks-old edit of mine was finally approved, fixing an artist's name in one of these issues, but now that I look at the series page something's not right. Why do only the last 2 issues have a comma after the issue #? Also, is the # really supposed to be in any of them instead of in the notes? Isn't that magazine policy there? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:13, 23 February 2023 (EST)
 
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:* Yes, current policy is to show the issue number in the publication notes. 21:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)
 
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== Flashing Swords! Help ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8495; I've just added Archive.org links in (pending) edits to #1 (2 Doubleday), #2 (Mayflower), #3 (2 Dell), #4 (2 1977 Doubleday), and #5 (Doubleday). Now there are some issues. Some people unnecessarily entered the series title in the book title, others didn't; some people entered Roman numerals in the page count, others didn't; some people entered the book title as it appears on the title page, others didn't. Also, #3 doesn't have the Doubleday book club edition entered; #'s 1, 2, and 4 have the book club dates as earlier than the Dell PB dates but #5 has both as the same date, so it's possible that the story dates for #3 are wrong because the book club edition was probably published earlier. There are many PV for all volumes so if any of them would like to add/fix anything it would help. EDIT: The only thing I fixed was importing Carter's essay in #1, "A Last Word", to the Doubleday edition; it was only entered here in the Dell edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 25 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?93690; I just stumbled across a copy of Mitchell's Crystal Man which was uploaded in June of 2022 so I added a link and the missing page numbers to the many stories included in that book, but I noticed 1 story, "The Clock That Went Backwards", is actually "Backward". According to ISFDB the only instances of the singular title are the original, uncredited appearance in a newspaper and reprints in various books starting in 2013. So when my edit is approved that story needs merging with the singular or removing/adding the singular or whatever needs doing; the question now is if it really was the plural in the many books it appeared in between the above collection in 1973 and 2013. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 25 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?855765; Something in the recent edits accidentally led me to this and some of those titles are already on ISFDB, specifically the Webb which was published in 2014 as "U-PAO. The Black Sutra", the Blackmore which is in 3 separate books on ISFDB starting in 2007, not 2009, and the Carter/Cornford story which is under the same title in 3 merged publications but its appearance in this book wasn't merged even though the editor did at least date it correctly as 1997. Person who entered it hasn't responded to anything for a long time so if anyone owns a copy a lot of re-dating/re-titling/merging is probably in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:21, 25 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5592414; One of those annoying situations where they include both editions but don't specify which it is. Was it Borgo's style to print the correct barcode in red as it appears on the back cover in the Archive.org copy or is that totally unrelated and somebody just felt like coloring it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1706087; Willem and Bob PV separate editions, pretty sure it should be David, also could be related to other artists named Bowers, first name starts with D, here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5593175; A challenge to anyone who can find a bigger cover image and replace mine. This anthology has been on ISFDB for years and there are a few online mentions of it including Locus where the contents came from but, as can be seen in the notes, it seems to have either been barely published or not at all. While on an archived author's site I was trying to get info from there was an image in her bibliography of this book so I uploaded the .jpg, but it was very tiny and after blowing it up as big as allowable here the author names are illegible. The title and cover art still come through nicely, though. Maybe someone here actually owns a copy (HA!)? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:56, 26 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?34733; https://archive.org/details/furtheradventure00gree; There's a bit of confusion here. The original printing was July, PV Vasha77 did the 2nd printing but made an error by entering the month based on an ad on the last page which says 10/87 when the book was obviously published in '89, Archive copy above is a 3rd printing not on ISFDB with that same ad but 2 pages before it is an ad for G.R.R. Martin's Wild Cards with 7/89 on it. So since PV is gone and it was transient anyway I suggest we change month of 2nd to July also and then enter the 3rd with that month, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 27 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25621; My edit making R. Goldstrom an alternate of Robert was just approved but I see there's 2 separate credits for Skeleton-in-Waiting. I think they need merging or something. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:23, 28 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?5783; I've done a few edits for his rare 1978 collection Siege of 318 and recently stumbled on the fact that the title story was a retitled reprint of "Cry Havoc", which is why both have a 1976 date here. I've made a variant but I am suspicious that "The Idiots" from the 1976 horror anthology Frights and "The Idiot" are the same, too. Does anyone own a copy who can compare the 2 stories? Frights has an Archive.org link so story is readable. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:12, 28 February 2023 (EST)
 
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The Content sections of Clone/Import/Export Publication post-submission pages have been upgraded. Rows can now display multiple yellow warnings per row. Yellow warnings are now more specific, telling you which authors they refer to. Auto-merge rows no longer warn you about disambiguated/alternate author/artist names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:44, 28 February 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?36975; I added LCCN ID and noticed 244 pages which is a lot different than 320. No online copies I can see so if anyone owns this can you check page count and fix if needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 1 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?359885 Done]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:57, 1 March 2023 (EST)
 
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::Needs space after 1st period of artist to make it the same as artist already on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:35, 1 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:::Looks like that was handled as I can't see what you mean. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:41, 2 March 2023 (EST)
 
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::::Scifibones fixed it today. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 2 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== 1995 SPGA Showcase ==
 
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http://www.locusmag.com/index/t742.htm#A37177; The Goldman story has the right original date on ISFDB but no mention of where it came from so I entered the info that it originally came from this anthology; the Everson story has the wrong date (2007), a different title ("Warming the Women"), and no mention of where it came from, so I added where it came from but didn't change date or title because it may have the same title in the anthology and should be merged or it really is different in which case it would be a variant; the Jacob story already has a note here about where it first came from. The Danley work being a story is suspicious because all his works (as Robert C. Danley) on ISFDB are poems; it's also weird that Locus listed all the poems after the stories instead of listing everything in order. So on the very slim chance that anyone owns the anthology some fixes would probably be needed after entering it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:27, 1 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:I've added [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938058 that anthology here]. If it turns out the Danley work is actually a poem, we can easily change it. In the meantime, it's listed now. I also varianted the Everson story. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:37, 1 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== Phantom Fango Edit ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5595657; I'm confused about something. I haven't looked at any Fangoria issues for a long time, while doing Drake Douglas edits I noticed he had 1 review for a book by himself, I knew he probably wouldn't review his own book and found it was just an entry mistake and it was actually Stanley Wiater, who did the other reviews in that issue; I asked PV about it and they responded but didn't indicate they were going to fix it themselves, but now I see that it was changed to the correct reviewer but I don't see where that was done by anyone in the review record or issue record. Am I missing something? I assume I can just cancel my edit now, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:43, 1 March 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597760; I'm not sure what's going on here. I thought this novel was not on ISFDB because the title was not in the author's record but after entering a new record the ISBN is a duplicate of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?99881. Izzo mentions the title change here, https://www.anthonyizzo.com/post/author-anthony-izzo-s-latest-thriller-novel. So the existing record seems to have been entered from pre-release info on Amazon, maybe, before the title was changed. So what's to be done? Delete Unforgiven? It has a "P" cover image, wrong format, old ISBN-10 instead of ISBN-13 for a 2007 book, etc. (also see my note in Evil Harvest about confusion with ISBN-13, too). Or leave it and make the 2 titles alternates? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:06, 3 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:Evil Harvest edit was just approved; still awaiting reply on what should be done here. Anyone? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 6 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== Beehive Book Award ==
 
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The [http://www.claubeehive.org/about-the-beehive-book-awards.html Beehive Book Award] given out by the Children's Literature Association of Utah in the following categories:
 
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The books nominated and awarded are not limited to those by Utahns, though. It's voted on by children in the state of Utah from a list of nominees submitted by volunteers. It covers more than just speculative fiction works, but there are quite a few speculative fiction authors whose works have been nominated and/or won over the years. See the lists [http://www.claubeehive.org/past-winners--nominees.html here]. I'll be happy to populate the award if it's added. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:54, 3 March 2023 (EST)
 
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: I see all the usual suspects: Le Guin, Lloyd Alexander, Jane Yolen, Ursula Vernon, Brandon Mull, etc. Looks legitimate to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:31, 3 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?102 Done.] Sorry, I forgot all about it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:47, 18 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282; In tribute to Christopher Fowler, who just died, I started to add as much info as I could to his books and almost immediately ran into trouble. I added an Archive.org link to the original Ballantine edition but there's also an Arrow edition; however, there's 2 records here with one being entered in the very early days of this site and PV by a long-gone person while the other is much more fleshed out but not PV. Which should be kept and given the link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:21, 3 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:: It would appear that "September 1989" comes from Locus. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:45, 3 March 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=fer+ward&type=Name; Unusual situation here where one would assume the second name is wrong but that's actually her name; the first name only has 1 credit and searching Amazon Look Inside it does say Jennifer on contents page but typing Jenniffer gets 1 hit, so possibly it's spelled correctly at the head of the story in case anyone who has an Amazon account can verify and fix/variant. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 4 March 2023 (EST)
 
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::A full view on Amazon inside the book in which her name was entered here as Jennifer is needed because her real name per online info is Jenniffer and while contents page of that book says Jennifer a search inside gets a hit for Jenniffer, so I don't want a false variant name created (there's already way too many of those here) if it really should just have an "f" added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:53, 4 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:::Searching the Amazon Look Inside for {{P|577626|100 Worlds}} shows that the "Object Lesson" title page uses "Jennifer Wardell". The "About the Author" does list her as "Jenniffer", but we enter per the title page. I have created an alternate name and varianted the story. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:10, 5 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== Baen vs. Baen Books ==
 
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*{{Pubr|55837|Baen Books}} has books from 1985 - 1992, 1995 - 1996, 2004 - 2006, 2022 - 2023
 
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So we are not separating them out as per the note. I don't see the need to have separate versions as we already normalize minor changes in publisher names and that information can easily be handled in a note. However, if we are going to have separate versions, then the time ranges should be added to the notes and the relevant books updated appropriately. The editor who added the note is no longer active so cannot ask them about it. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:22, 5 March 2023 (EST)
 
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: I would draw a parallel to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?37 Ace Books], with multiple addresses and ownership detailed in a separate ISFDB [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Publisher:Ace wiki page]. I also see no reason beyond whether they care credited differently in the books (Baen vs. Baen Books) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 13:00, 5 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:: A couple of thoughts. First, spot-checking some recently published Baen books, I see that they apparently use "Baen Books" and "Baen" interchangeable. For example, the copyright page of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?929303 ''Dead Man Walking''], which was published on 2023-02-07, says:
 
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:::What does it state on the title page, though? We generally go with that over what it states on the copyright page. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:31, 6 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:::::All of the recent ones I have just have the Baen logo at the bottom of the title page, so I'd go with "Baen". ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:35, 16 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Post-submission pages for AddPub and ClonePub submissions tweaked ==
 
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Dark_Carnival_Date; Re: this discussion, do any experts here know of a way to automatically change all LCCN entered on this site, pre-whatever the date was when they changed from using a dash to zeros, from zeros to dash? I just enter them as they are on their site but, even though it makes no real difference because links lead to the records whether they have dashes or zeros, it would be better, I suppose, to have them as they appear in the books. Now all this is assuming that all pre-change LCCN had dashes and all post-change LCCN have zeroes, which I'm sure isn't true, but anyway I thought I'd ask. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 5 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== Day Khrus(h)chev Panicked ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1618562; Did some edits a long time ago, came across it again today and added cover images and LCCN ID to both HC, Brits spelled name in title without a middle H, Yanks with a middle H. I fixed that for Cassell (title page seen on Cracabond Books, a site I don't think I've ever heard of before), Random House title page on Google confirms the middle H, Macfadden in Google Images confirms the middle H, if Digit title page can be seen then we'll know all and main title can be changed and American editions' title can be a variant (there's also a UK Ensign edition on AbeBooks without the middle H on the cover, so I think it's safe to say American H, British no H). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:03, 6 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== Stained-Glass World ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?232309; I added a bunch of Kenneth Bulmer edits yesterday, and this, the last one, was just adding an Archive.org link, but then I noticed the month doesn't match the one in the note. I asked RTrace since I saw his name at the top of the edit history but he was no help, and of the PV the first guy's dead, the next 3 are gone (probably), and the last guy is still around but doesn't seem interested much in this site these days, so maybe Glenn is the only one who may respond helpfully; why is the month, which does say July in the book, April on this site? Fix needed IMO. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 7 March 2023 (EST)
 
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This means that "A" will no longer be erroneously reported as a disambiguated name based on the existence of "A (W) Hendry". It also means that  "Stephen King (I)" or "G. S. (artist)" will generate yellow warnings informing the reviewing moderator that they are disambiguated names. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:00, 7 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== Self-Moderation Request ==
 
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Hello,
 
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with around 10.000 changes to ISFDB since 2013 and also lots of source-code contributions I did really a lot for ISFDB and very seldom my edits have been rejected. As nowadays it takes extremely long to moderate submissions I'd like to have Self-Approver state. Hopefully that also leads to me adding a lot of my own books which I skipped until now.
 
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As is probably known I'm not 100% happy with the way ISFDB works but adhere to the given rules. Thus I'll not use any additional rights I get to do more than now, but restrict my Self-Approver privilege to situations which I think consensus exists (misjudgment in individual cases included :-). For changes which could be troublesome I'd leave these submissions for other moderators to review (I assume that's still possible?).
 
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:Hi, Dirk! Alas, I do have some reservation about that privilege: while you did quite a lot of valuable source-code contributions, I have the feeling that many (if not all) of your publication additions to the database lack the quality we usually try to achieve, especially in sourcing the data (that is: giving the sources for the date of publication and the art credit; I personally think that also statements for the edition - first [language, tp, pb, hc, ...] would be welcome).
 
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:[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?938811 Here] is a quite recent example (this one also has a seemingly wrong format, since the vast majority of publications by this publisher with the same format are defined as pb). Many of your added / verified publications have stub notes or none at all, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?430657 this one]. (Also, many verified pub.s have missing or erroneous publication series, like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?807320 this] or [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?729179 this], the first example being again a stub record).
 
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:On the whole, most seem somewhat hastily added, and I'd like to see some more quality in added and especially PV'd publications. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:42, 11 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:: Yes. I usually only add the minimum amount, because it's simply to much hassle to get it correct with a turnaround of multiple days for a change. It takes weeks to enter a single book correctly, especially as there is no preview feature yet and I have to redo everything when I make an error. Thus I only add the information which is required and important, nothing else. I certainly don't add all the information which it seems you find is necessary in the notes, but I add all the relevant information and I don't add wrong information. In the examples you showed there is no error: The example books you choose are tp and not pb. The publication series for Bastei is still a somewhat strange thing and not really visible in the books. The older books I added thus wont have them right simply because this "right" changed over the years. For new entries I try to follow whatever seems currently used in ISFDB. P.S. As already said multiple times - ISFDB has a large amount of errors in non-verified and verified publications (also errors which have been introduced to my verified books which have been correct when I entered the information). When the threshold to participate is too high that also wont change. I tried to help fix the software for this but the attempt didn't work out. I see that a small part of my ideas have be implemented in the last years, but nothing game-changing. Maybe to give you a note what I actually talk about: I own ~2300 SF and F books, 825 of these I verified in ISDFB, 787 more exist in ISFDB often with missing information or missing the exact copy I have. 685 are missing totally. I simply did not add them yet and instead do my own database. BTW Some errors also come from different moderators of the time: One moderator forced me to do one thing, the next exactly the opposite. And I always complied even if it did not make sense. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:28, 11 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:: '''Comment''': I haven't done much work on the submission queue lately, so I'll abstain. To answer the question raised in the last sentence,  if a self-approver leaves a submission in the queue, it can be reviewed and approved/rejected by a moderator. However, submissions by self-approvers are color-coded and moderators tend to leave them alone because the presumption is that the self-approver is taking a break and will be back later. Of course, a self-approver can create a submission, leave it in the queue and then ask about it on the Moderator Noticeboard. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:52, 11 March 2023 (EST)
 
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::: Maybe there should be a flag "please review" to turn off the color code? I actually appreciate in other environments when you have the chance to let somebody else review your stuff even when you yourself could approve it. For the easy cases you approve directly wheres for others you seek per-review. It's a concept which I e.g. are very happy with in software update submissions for openSUSE Linux distribution. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:33, 11 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:::: You have my vote, user Stonecreek, who was demoted for entering incorrect data has no right to criticize you.--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 15:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::Wolfram: While you're free to share you opinion on whether Stoecker should receive this ability, please refrain from attacking other editors here. Thank you. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:46, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace#Great_Disciple; Maybe I'm not being clear or something, but I'm not getting the answer I'm looking for so maybe someone else can help me. I did a bunch of edits for Bruce Publishing books and this one required more work, using the copy on Google Books, because story titles, I assume taken from Locus, were wrong in 6 cases (and 1 was missing entirely), from missing articles to completely wrong. I fixed them but now that it's been approved the 6 parent stories still have the wrong titles. That can't be right, most of the author's obscure religious stories didn't appear in any genre works and the 2 that did had the right titles (although 1 of them, "The Hound of Cullen", isn't in this collection so now I'm suspicious because it has a 1951 date on ISFDB but appeared in F&SF in 1953, so I wonder if the missing story I entered, "The End of Coo-Cullen", is that story retitled) so there's no variant, so how can I get both author names to show the correct titles? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 8 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:You would have received the answer you were looking for had you told the reviewer; "The titles were only published under an alternate name so there is no reason the canonical name titles should differ." To correct, simply edit the canonical name titles and make the same corrections. However, I question whether [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?106837 William Bernard Ready] should even be the canonical name. I don't see a single title published using that name. I would make [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13494 W. B. Ready] the canonical name with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?101925 William Ready] an alternate. This would obviate the need for the above edits. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 13:39, 8 March 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601242; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5601243; This is the 2nd time recently that this moderator has rejected edit(s) of mine while telling me to ask PV first when I clearly did that in both cases. This one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731, was asked about here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Swfritter#A_Month_of_Mystery, but I just decided to cancel it because trying to fix the countless verified editions of books that are clearly book club editions but not identified as such by the PV is too much for me to handle so I've decided to not do those kinds of edits anymore, but as for the 2 edits at the top of this message there's no reason for them to be rejected because as I explained here, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rosab618#Henry_Holt, this publisher on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311, only has a few entries including those 1990's books entered recently by the same PV, while this publisher, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86, has almost all their books including pretty much everything published between 1986 and 2023, as is clearly explained in the note at the top of the page where it says they reverted back to that name in 1986. The 2 PV books say Henry Holt and Company on the title page so if we're going by what they actually say it wouldn't match any publisher currently on ISFDB. Standardization, right? Isn't that what mods are always saying, don't enter multiple publisher names? I think those 2 should be un-rejected. If not, I'd hate to see how many of the hundreds of "Henry Holt" books currently on ISFDB would need to be changed to "Henry Holt and Company". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:48, 8 March 2023 (EST)
 
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:You're mischaracterizing this a bit.  In both cases, you submitted the edit before receiving a response from the primary verifier.  Changing the name of the publisher is a major change to a publication record and should not be done without the prior assent of all active verifiers.  Worse, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5597731 this submission] would have replaced the record for the trade edition with one for a book club edition, effectively deleting the record for the trade edition from the database.  I explained this in the rejection note, and again when you [[User talk:Rtrace#MoM|objected]] on my talk page and I am explaining it for a third time here.  I also explained in all these places that you need to get a response from the verifiers before submitting the original edit.  Now, whether a title page stating "Henry Holt and Company" should be reflected as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?86 Henry Holt], [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?60311 Henry Holt & Co.] or a new publisher is an open question.  However, it is still necessary to have a dialog with the verifiers before changing those records.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:58, 8 March 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?37441; I believe we have 4 separate publishers here: A German one, a British one (reprint of HC de la Mare book), an imprint based in Massachusetts who did Shakespeare, and a kid's book which maybe should have a different publisher, Tyndale, because it says "Focus on the Family" on the cover so Focus is more likely to be a series. In case anyone cares to differ them in some way. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:50, 10 March 2023 (EST)
 
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In this case, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?312797, is it OK to replace the price and enter a link to this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL22560761M/The_monsterologist, since there's no UK price and editor just entered the price from Amazon? This happens a lot. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:20, 10 March 2023 (EST)
 
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== For those interested in Lovecraft and Winnie the Pooh ==
 
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I ran across [https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/hemelein/the-horror-at-pooh-corner this Kickstarter] which combines the two. The anthology won't be out for about a year, but it's something to look forward to (I backed it). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:24, 10 March 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=dickers&type=Name; Russell has many interviews, Russ has 1 which has an alternate because of a language note or something. So 1 of those should be a variant of Russell. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:47, 11 March 2023 (EST)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35824; A copy of Avon was just uploaded on Archive.org so I added a link, also added C to the price for the other (Canadian) Avon, added the month to the regular title since Avon was first edition, added other countries' prices to Corgi from back cover seen on FantLab, but most significantly added introduction to Souvenir based on photo on FantLab. It's not in Avon so it seems they added it for British editions; however, the only evidence here is in that Portugal edition where it says Introdução. So when my edits are approved that probably should be made a variant of Introduction and if anyone owns the British paperbacks the introduction is probably in those, too, and should be imported. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:16, 12 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== De Grote Horror Omnibus ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?175406; Just uploaded is this, https://archive.org/search?query=grote-horror, which seems to be a German edition of the Signet omnibus, in case any German/German-fluent person wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 12 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=author_canonical&O_1=contains&TERM_1=craig&C=AND&USE_2=author_canonical&O_2=contains&TERM_2=anderson&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=exact&TERM_3=&USE_4=author_canonical&O_4=exact&TERM_4=&USE_5=author_canonical&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=author_canonical&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=author_canonical&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=author_canonical&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=author_canonical&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=author_canonical&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=author_canonical&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Author]; I added OL ID to Science Fiction Films of the Seventies some time ago and today came across it again and added Archive.org link; I noticed cover artist might be the same as the author and there's another similar name, all linked above, in case anyone knows if they're all the same. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:26, 12 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Maureen F. McHugh's The Cost to Be Wise - novelette or novella? ==
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?59780 This] is categorized as a novelette, but it was nominated for 3 different awards in the novella category.  If I look at the page counts in [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347490 The Mammoth Book of Best Short SF Novels], it shows as 45 pages, which is the same as the following story - Greg Egan's Oceanic - which is categorized as a novella.  (The rest of those "short novels" are all categorized as novellas, but they have longer page counts.)  Google search results for 'mchugh "the cost to be wise"' followed by "novella" or "novelette" also indicate it is considered to be the former.
 
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There are over a dozen verified pubs containing this story (which distill down to the 1996 Starlight anthology it appeared in, the 1997 Dozois Year's Best, a 2005 author collection, a Lightspeed mag special issue, and the aforementioned Dozois "short novel" anthology), so I'm wary of changing the type without some sort of discussion or second opinion. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:42, 12 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I happen to have one of the anthologies as an ebook. After converting it to TXT and removing the other stories, the table of contents, etc, I see that the text contains 19,500 words if you count the title. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:45, 13 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Thanks.  If there are no dissenting voices here, I propose to make the novelette->novella switch in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Derleth's Sleeping ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606597; Almost missed this rare one uploaded on Archive.org because they're doing something weird where the upload date is different than the added date which is causing a lot of confusion; anyway, PV is a bit...testy judging by my last contact with them, so I'm dry-running this here before letting them know of my changes. Does anyone see anything wrong with my edit? Title as it is on title page, spurious subtitle moved to notes, FantLab ID because it shows cover that coverless copy doesn't, etc. Also, I checked the Four Square abridgement on Dalby's site and it says "AND", not "&", on title page, so variants needed? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33526; I see I added copy link and FantLab ID recently but now I've added LCCN ID, while noticing intro is dated with signed date instead of book date, something I've seen many times before, probably done by a specific editor who thought that's how it was supposed to be, so if it's not right one of the PV should fix the date. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5606943; More title fixing; PB edition was recently uploaded so I made an edit adding link for that and title is "AND", not "&", on title page, so more variants needed? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:29, 13 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== EditPub yellow warnings upgraded ==
 
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All yellow warnings displayed in New Cover Art, New Regular Titles, New Reviews and New Interviews tables within the "Content" section of EditPub post-submission pages have been upgraded. They now use the same enhanced functionality already available on other post-submission pages.
 
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At this point the only tables still using the old functionality and table layout are the 4 "Modified Cover/Regular Titles/Reviews/Interviews" tables in EditPub. As always, if you come across anything unexpected or erroneous, please post your findings here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 13 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: It should be fixed now. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 13 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: When you get a moment, please take a look at [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5607440 this submission]. Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:07, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: Thanks for reporting the problem. It happens when magazine pubs are cloned. Working on it... [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:53, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Hauck ==
 
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck; I came across this, https://archive.org/search?query=%22compagnie+des+fees%22, and since many of these foreign editions have page counts off by a page or two on ISFDB because of unnumbered final page(s) I checked this one; page count was correct but the note about names on back cover was not. Heading off to ask the editor who entered the book I see that he's totally done with this site judging by the big red message on his board. So does anyone else own a copy? I think I'll do an advanced search and see what other books they PV; since they're not going to answer any questions maybe I can improve things a bit myself, add some links, etc. I'm sure some people here know what went wrong, so if anyone would like to give any details I'd be curious to know what caused Hauck to leave. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:23, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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: [[User:Hauck]] left the project in June 2018 after [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hauck/Archive16#Award_for_Paradiso this discussion]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:00, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Wow. The comparisons to Nazi Germany may have been a bit much. I asked because he responded to 3 messages from 2 editors last June to tell them not to bother because he's un-verifying his PV's. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:11, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::"'''the note about names on back cover was not'''", perhaps should yo try a bit harder... ([https://isfdb.org/wiki/images/f/fe/Lcddf.jpg]). {{unsigned|Hauck}}
 
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::::I think you meant "you should", not "should yo". If you look at the back cover of the Archive.org copy you'll see no names, so it's likely tight framing on the right side that cut them off rather than it being some variant without the names. Also, I put brackets around your image link because the giant image was taking too much space. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:22, 15 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Skeleton Crew Editions ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36904; There is the original hardcover at the top and at the bottom there's another by Putnam (should probably be G. P. Putnam's Sons like the original) which says it's from the Stephen King Library. The PV of that edition, AnimeBill, entered it in the very early days here and has been gone for many years, so no use asking them about this, https://archive.org/details/skeletoncrew0000unse. I thought it might be PV edition but now I'm thinking it may actually be a book club edition of the original since there's no number line. Is anyone here familiar with these editions who knows if there's some way to identify which edition the Archive.org copy is so it can be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:21, 16 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Dawn of the Dead ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5609977; I recently added the original Sphere edition with no A. in author's name but looking further I see it wasn't there in the original, either. Also, the price was wrong, and the title date is 4 months earlier than the book date while Open Library says December. I thought I had trouble fixing all the later editions some time ago but this is ridiculous. So let's try to find  out which, if any, editions use A. on the title page and what the real month of publication was so that can be fixed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:34, 16 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== H(elmut) Wenske ==
 
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FantLab has a page for this artist and they say he did cover art for Night Chills, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23919, but besides a Flickr page nobody else credits him online and there's no credit in the book or signature on the cover that I can see. Another 1975 Avon book, Harvest of Fear, does have a Wenske cover which is a variant of an older cover for something else, so either FantLab confused the 2 books or the Night Chills cover is another variant of some older cover. Anyone recognize it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 16 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== New Infinities ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=new+inf&type=Publisher; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611320; One of the few from this publisher with no PV, I changed publisher to what it says in the book, this was discussed long ago but I think now would be a good time to decide on standard names, there are some books published just by New Infinities with BSM on cover (Berkley), who were just the distributor, while later ones have the Ace symbol on the cover and they're also mentioned on the copyright page. So, assuming all books say New Infinities Productions on title page and not just New Infinities, I think older ones should be New Infinities Productions (like the 3 Swycaffer books already are) and later ones should be New Infinities Productions / Ace. What do you think? EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611351; Some of their books didn't even have the publisher on the title page. Also, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Sea-Death-G-Gygax/dp/044175676X, which has some ID number on the upper left; British edition or something else? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:08 and 11:28''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5611356; Is it possible to get "nicholls" images supported at SFE? Peter Nicholls passed away a few years ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) '''11:33''', 17 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Link for uploading author picture ==
 
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Publications have a handy link that allows uploading of a new cover image. Can we have one of those for people, too, and have it preload the fair use author image template? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:33, 17 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I can't think of a reason not to add one. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 08:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Can we make it an official feature request? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:24, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: Done -- {{FR|1563}}. Sorry, I forgot all about this conversation :-( [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:28, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::Thanks! There've been a lot of things going on, so no worries. I forgot about it, too, until I saw this section when scrolling through looking for something else. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:16, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Contents Question ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5613311; Should those 2 collection titles in the contents be removed after approval? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:18, 18 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Oops. Sorry, pipes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:41, 18 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Chapbook: Non-genre, juvenile, etc ==
 
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Replying to my userspace inquiry last fortnight, Rtrace observed that the Non-Genre flag for CHAPBOOK title records has an important function governing layout. All chapbooks flagged "Non-Genre" are listed below the line at the bottom of an author's Summary Bibliography. Juvenile, Novelization, and Graphic Format probably have no such function.
 
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There is a cleanup report "CHAPBOOK/SHORTFICTION Juvenile Flag Mismatches", maintained at length near zero; by inference I have flagged a few chapbooks Juvenile, and probably missed a few. This feels like a good time to ask about all four flags {Non-Genre, Juvenile, Novelization, Graphic Format}. Should all four be aligned for chapbook and its shortfiction content? And, anyway, does the guideline do what we think it should?
 
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Advanced Title Search shows that we do not currently set chapbook length. We have more than 100 chapbooks, but less than 200, for each of Non-Genre, Novelization, Graphic. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 15:30, 18 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Grant Allen, Backslider ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=backslider&type=All+Titles; I just imported 15 stories into 100 Menacing Little Murder Stories, one of those reprint Barnes & Noble anthologies, and while doing that noticed something else. The uncredited "Backslider" (issue's on Google Books) and the story by Grant Allen are the same story! So what's the procedure, which I'm never clear about: Make the uncredited a variant of Allen and make both the same date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:13, 18 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3342; I did a bunch of edits for books in F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle, and while Reprisal and Nightworld used the same art for HC and PB Brit editions the first book's Brit HC used the same art as the American Jove PB which was published first according to ISFDB, but that doesn't make sense because Davies was a Brit illustrator (and nobody's credited in the Jove, anyway), so I suspect Brit HC was published first, in case anyone can figure this out. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== An Account Above Burnside Park ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=burnside+park&type=All+Titles; Someone entered Farah as Farrah incorrectly, as a check of the TP on Amazon reveals it's Farah, but a search of the title on ISFDB also reveals that the author published the story originally under another name in a magazine she edits. So if anyone wants to decide what to do with all this. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:24, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Bookscans HTTP, HTTPS ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5614823; I thought the recently uploaded Archive.org copy would just be the original of the fully-readable one uploaded some time ago but no, it's 2 distinct copies, so I added a link and while doing so noticed the cover image had the old "Fatcow" URL which Bookscans used to use, of which there are 8 still on ISFDB (7 when my edit is approved), and also the fact that the old URL is https while the new one is http but new cover shows just fine unlike, say, Galactic Central where all their http images are broken. What's the difference? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537; The first one has a couple of active PV so I'm going to ask about this; I recently added cover artist in a pending edit to Without Warning by Fern Michaels, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?139537, with the same initials on the cover. So the King monkey art was also done by Lisa Falkenstern. EDIT: A copy of Fantasy Annual III was just uploaded and while adding a link in an edit I noticed she did the cover for that, too, but signed it L. Falkenstern. Also, #5 has no art credit so I wonder if she did that, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Star SF Stories #3 ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32089; 6 PV, 5 active, none noticed the cover is wrong and is actually from a later edition, any objection if I replace it with the right cover, 96, here, http://bookscans.com/Publishers/ballantine/ballantine02.htm? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:47, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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::You can talk to them individually if you want. I don't plan on fixing anything until at least 1 of them responds; if it was 2 I probably would do it on their boards but not for 5. Most don't respond to anything or have the same answer about going to hospital/coming out of hospital, I can't check because I'm about to move/just finished moving, or some variant of "how dare you imply that I did something wrong". So if 1 or more of them see it here, the board most people check, great, if not, who cares, the book's been here for years and years and nobody besides me noticed the very obvious fact that the cover isn't for this edition because it has a totally different price and ID, most are too busy working on ephemeral e-books and don't care about the old print books anymore (besides me and a few others) judging by how much info here is wrong that I've had to fix over the last 2+ years. Try responding to one of my many questions on these boards with something useful that I can use to fix or add info with instead of coming out of the woodwork once in a blue moon so you can complain about something trivial. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:07, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: It would have taken you less time to post to the PVs pages and point them here than to write this. But everyone chooses how to spend their own time on the project.
 
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::: You asked about objections, I posted an objection, explaining clearly that such a change cannot be approved and a recommendation on how that objection can be overcome so a submission can be approved. It may not be useful to you because it does not agree with your thinking but it is how the project works. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 20 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::Approved. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:31, 22 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Song of the Earth ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5617672; It's Royo as cover artist in both, Luis is wrong, in case anyone wants to fix that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:24, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?709359; [https://www.pbagalleries.com/images/lot/1139/113941_0.jpg]; SFE just upped cover of 1926 edition of Topper, I added artist C. V. Farrow, this is the other McBride Thorne Smith book, signature in the grass on right corner that looks like F. Rogers, can't nail it down anywhere, someone here may know who it is. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:17, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Tomato Cain ==
 
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I was just about to sign off for the night when I saw a new edition of Nigel Kneale's collection Tomato Cain on SFE, https://sf-encyclopedia.com/gallery.php?filter=link:kneale_nigel&slide=6, but OL only has this, https://openlibrary.org/books/OL38018073M/Tomato_Cain_and_Other_Stories_Hb, by Gratis Kneale (?!?) Was this ever published? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:08, 23 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Marcy/Dean ==
 
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https://hellnotes.com/interview-with-dean-italiano-author-of-the-starving-queen/; I've been adding lots of author photos and other stuff from the old Cosmos Books site and this one is a bit tricky, because he used to be she, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?34089. Whatever the rules are for that here; I vaguely recall some discussion about this months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 24 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Self-Moderation Request - Welo==
 
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Hello,
 
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i'm asking for self-moderation privileges.
 
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Actually i wouldn't need it, i'm usually happy with the mods work and timing.
 
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But edits often need a follow up (cover, variants, merges etc.) and lately approvals take some time and that's hard to track for an editor.
 
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As my edits are mostly fairly basic, self-mod privileges would be very helpful.
 
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Werner [[User:Welo|Welo]] ([[User talk:Welo|talk]]) 11:05, 25 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Support work I've seen looks good[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] ([[User talk:Kraang|talk]]) 00:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::You have my vote--[[User:Wolfram.winkler|Wolfram.winkler]] ([[User talk:Wolfram.winkler|talk]]) 18:04, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Peter Cartur/Roger Flint Young/Peter Grainger/Forrest J. Ackerman ==
 
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I recently submitted this note to the entry on Peter Grainger:
 
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"I don't know how properly to comment on this. Forrest J. Ackerman was "Peter Cartur's" (or Peter Grainger's) agent. That's why he gave permission. There is NO WAY that Ackerman could have written that story, and no reason to suppose he did. As for the copyright, at that time, the magazines that originally published the story often bought the copyright, and only paid the authors for reprints out of the goodness of their heart (or perhaps if the contract specified such a payment.) So Fantasy House (publishers of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction) held the copyright. Gordon van Gelder, now the owner/publisher of F&SF, states that the contract for the story "The Mist" was signed by Peter Granger (no "i".) I would wonder about the source for the spelling "Grainger", given that he apparently never published under his own name. Incidentally, in the Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter for July 1950, Ackerman reports on some of the "up and coming" writers he is representing, mentioning Roger Flint Young separately from Peter Cartur. However, that doesn't mean much, as he also mentioned both Kris Neville and "Henderson Starke" as new writers in his fold, and there is no question that "Starke" was a pseudonym for Neville."
 
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My objection was to the existing note on the author Peter Grainger, who is not credited with any stories under his own name, but with stories as by Peter Cartur, Roger Flint Young, and Max Dancey. This note reads:
 
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"Pseudonym sources: Roger Robinson (his source: McGhan), Contento/Locus.
 
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Note that ISFDB lists Peter Cartur as a pseudonym for Peter Grainger. However, the copyright/acknowledgments for Fifty Short Science Fiction Tales includes:
 
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Peter Cartur The Mist. Copyright 1952 by Fantasy House, Inc. Reprinted by permission of Forrest J. Ackerman.
 
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Usually something like this would indicate that Peter Cartur is a pseudonym as copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name. It's not known if Forrest J. Ackerman bought the rights to this story or if Peter Cartur is one of Forrest J. Ackerman's pseudonyms."
 
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My "edit" -- not really an edit but a comment on the note, though I probably should have suggested an edit -- objects to the (pardon me, but I must say, preposterous) suggestion that perhaps Forrest J. Ackerman wrote the "Peter Cartur" stories. The rational given -- that Ackerman gave "permission" to reprint the story, so therefore he must have been the real author, is ludicrous. The copyright was actually held by "Fantasy House" (which is to say, the publishers of F&SF) -- a common practice in that era. Ackerman was the agent. The Redd Boggs Science Fiction Newsletter citation I made supports this claim. Also this long list of Ackerman's clients, which includes Cartur, Young, and Dancey: https://archive.org/details/internationalsci00coli/page/190/mode/2up?q=%22roger+flint+young%22&view=theater
 
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The statement that "copyrights need to be filed under the author's real name" may be true NOW (I don't know) but it was manifestly not true in 1952, when the copyright was held by "Fantasy House".
 
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What I think should be done is to cut the note off after the credit to Roger Robinson's pseudonym list. The whole thing about Ackerman is meaningless -- he was the agent, so authorize to give permission for the reprint.
 
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Also, the credit to "Grainger" is in question, though I don't know how to resolve it, as Gordon van Gelder, in correspondence, tells me the original contract for F&SF publication was signed by "Peter Granger". There is a British author, much later, named "Peter Grainger". Could he be the source of the confusion? - {{unsigned|Hortonwho13}}
 
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: Yes, the later author is possibly the source of the confusion - we use differentiation and they need to be done manually when needed - and some of them may be missed occasionally. Let me look through these pages later today and see what I can untangle. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:57, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Dawn Burdett vs. D. M. Burdett ==
 
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I think that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297694 Dawn Burdett] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?297701 D. M. Burdett] are the same person as mentioned on [https://www.blackharepress.com/d-m-burdett/ this site].  What does anyone think?  [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:18, 27 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Possibly, but the publisher page you linked doesn't mention anything about her doing art. Since all of them under "Dawn Burdett" are cover art, and because the author bio doesn't mention doing cover art (or any art), there's not enough evidence to suggest they are indeed the same person, at least to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:50, 27 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Fine, but it does mention D. M. Burdett's first name is Dawn.  But, until further evidence turns up, I guess I'll leave the matter alone. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:51, 29 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== J. E. Thomas ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?15278; "Doom in the Room" actually by famed author Jeffrey (Edwin) Thomas, very early story so maybe he used that name at the start of his career, but that other story in the Valancourt anthology is likely by some old-time author. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:15, 27 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Post Mortem Print Vs. E ==
 
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive50#Post_Mortem; An old message of mine finally becomes relevant as this, https://archive.org/search?query=9780615452623&sort=-addeddate, was just uploaded. Editor has a middle initial, 1 story title is different, dates are obviously wrong, etc. Amazon links to reprint e-book are dead, so if anyone can find a preview copy of it we can compare it to the original print edition and fix a bunch of stuff. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Bauman  CaCE Cover ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?916930; FantLab shows Bauman did Dark Harvest cover, she signed it on lower right, copyright page of Tor credits her, too, she also signed it on lower right, but covers are totally different, art should probably be unmerged and made 2 distinct credits, she signed it differently between editions, Dark Harvest is name on left, date over copyright on right, Tor is name over date on left, copyright on right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:35, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Dillon LANBSM ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?527617; I just added a link to the PB and noticed those covers are different. Why are both under the same cover art record? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 29 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Terratoo ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=terratoo&type=All+Titles; Hard to say what should be done with these, title pages would need to be seen to determine correct author names, if anyone can find out then maybe a merge or variant will be in order. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:43, 29 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Star Short Novels Covers ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35073; I added an OL-only non-preview link to the '54 PB and fixed the month in all dates to 10 in a pending edit, but I think the HC credit for Powers is wrong; art on PB is in his usual trippy style, art on HC is just random lines. I think PV of HC or someone else just trusted the info they got, as mentioned in their note. I think Powers credit should be removed from HC. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:37, 29 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==
 
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All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.
 
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This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)
 
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: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Several Problems ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Resurrected Holmes ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Introduction Title Question ==
 
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An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}.  For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font.  Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text.  I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)".  However, the signature at the end gives me pause.  I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently.  Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate.  What do other folks think?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”.  Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names.  [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== F. Cantor ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Conan ==
 
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https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==
 
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This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.
 
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Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023‎ (EDT)
 
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:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Nordon ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Wasteworld ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks.  [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:It's Mavmaramis's link - I've notified him. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 4 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Before deleting a link, see if you can find if archived in the web archive. If not, then all we can do is to delete it. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:07, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::https://www.flickr.com/photos/markfullerdillon/52607643318; Is that what you're looking for? Also, if you replace old link can you also correct the 2 misspelled words in the note? I've done so for many of this editor's notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: Thanks to all. I've made the corrections & submitted. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 21:55, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Throat Sprockets ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8169; A copy of the rare American edition was just uploaded so I added a link and a bunch of other stuff, including correcting the month which was off by a couple of months, but the 2 even rarer British editions seem to have disappeared almost entirely, with no eBay copies I can see or any online scans of anything besides the cover. The one review I could find, https://criminolly.com/2021/10/27/throat-sprockets-review/, has a different page count than either edition and a month that neither have. So if anyone owns a copy or can actually do better than me and find online info it would help. Poor Mr. Lucas lost his wife recently so it would be nice to flesh out and correct his info here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:02, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) (sic) by James S. A. Correy (sic) ==
 
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I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 this] by chance the other day, with both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1272911 the title] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155601 author name] incorrect.  It's strikes me that 2 errors is perhaps more likely to be down to data entry here than mistakes by the publisher, but it's from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345034 a 2011 pub] transient verified by an editor who has not been active for several years.  Any thoughts on whether the appropriate varianting and note-adding is the best course of action, or instead to correct the title and editor fields?
 
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FWIW, some cursory Googling threw up [https://isulibrary.isunet.edu/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=8781 a library entry] that indicates the correct title and author name was used. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== E. Borgese ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5623541; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=borgese&type=Name; Will my rejected edit be un-rejected if my fixing of her name in the original Brit edition is made a variant or variant is deleted or whatever it is that needs to be done? I'm confused. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:That won't fix the issue.  The problem is that the add publication submission was made to add a publication to the title by Elizabeth (with a moderator note that you were adding it with the incorrect name).  Your subsequent submission updated both the existing title and publication records to Elisabeth.  I was not aware of your second submission until after I rejected the first, but it wouldn't have mattered. Changing the source record does not update any pending submissions (e.g. your rejected edit).  Had you done these two submissions in the opposite order, and waiting until the name change was approved before submitting the add publication, you would have been fine.  The other way you could have done it, was to submit your first edit as a new publication.  Then, when both were approved, you could merge the title records.  At this point you can submit a new Add Publication from the updated title record (Elisabeth).  By the way, there is a second step that is still required for your change of the existing title record from Elizabeth to Elisabeth.  Since you changed it to a variant name, you need to make the altered record into a variant of the canonical name.  Hope this helps.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 13:56, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::But her real first name is spelled with an S, so that should be the parent name. There's nothing on ISFDB that was published as by "Elizabeth Mann Borgese". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:23, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Well, we currently have 11 title records that have been published as by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?13609 Elizabeth Mann Borgese].  We have no concept of "real name", we only reflect how things have been published.  The canonical name is the name by which the author is best known in the field.  You'll note that her legal name, as Elisabeth, is reflected in the legal name field.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::They weren't really published as by Elizabeth in her collection, whoever entered the original Brit edition here (Chris J? He's first in edit history) incorrectly wrote her name that way and thus she's credited that way. Her American edition also says Elisabeth so it's not like they changed the spelling due to some British/American differences, it's just wrong. So her name needs to be changed to Elisabeth for all those stories and then when everything says Elisabeth my edit adding the American edition can be un-rejected, re-added, whatever. I just saw a full wraparound cover online so that'll be something extra to upload that wasn't in my rejected edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:10, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::There are two issues that you are talking about.  First, you submitted an edit to add a new publication, but you submitted incorrectly.  I don't think your edit could be unrejcted even if all instances of "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" were changed to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" (i.e. the two authors are merged). Even that is impossible because there are publications where the author is credited as "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v017n01_1959-07_PDF/page/n67/mode/2up here]).  Regardless, there is nothing that can be done to change the author's name in your rejected edit that you submitted as Elizabeth.  Even if "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" was deleted from the database, your edit would re-add the name as a new author were it approved.  I've mentioned above the best way to proceed.  I noticed that you did not include the content in your rejected edit.  The content from the other record cannot currently be imported because the title records have the incorrect name.  There are two ways to bring these records into shape.
 
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:::::# You could edit the existing collection and change the author credit for those stories that appear only in that collection.  You would also need to remove any stories that are published elsewhere from the collection, then re-add them with the correct credit.  There is a further step in that variants need to be made, but I'll discuss that below when covering the second overall issue.
 
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:::::# Alternatively, you could manually add all the stories, with the correct credit, when you re-add the George Braziller publication.  You could then remove all the stories from the MacGibbon & Kee publication and import the ones with the correct author credit from the other pub.  Again variants will need to be made to finish the process.
 
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:::::The second issue is what name needs to be canonical for this author.  Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume that all other publications are correctly credited.  That leaves us with 6 titles in 13 publications credited to Elizabeth.  There are 10 titles appearing in 3 publications as Elisabeth.  I'm not counting translations which are all variants anyway.  You could argue that the canonical name be changed to Elisabeth, but I'd recommend proposing that in a separate thread.  Also, would you be volunteering to do this work (it's many edits)?  You would need to move all the author data from the current canonical record to the new one; Break all of the parent child author name relationships;  Make all new alternate names variants of the new canonical name;  Merge any titles with the new canonical name where the former parent name appeared in no publications, deleting the parent title relationship;  Change the author credit of any titles with the former canonical name that appear in no publications to the new canonical name. Break any remaining parent child story relationships; Make any remaining titles by alternate name variants of the new canonical name.  If you don't want change the canonical name and can't find someone else to do it, or the community decides to keep it as Elizabeth, you'll need to finish the above edits by making the new Elisabeth titles into variants of Elizabeth.  Again, I hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:09, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::::Dude, as I've mentioned somewhere on the message boards before, I was hit in the head a few times when I was a kid, many years ago, so I'm a little slow, and my mind has been rapidly deteriorating recently due to personal and external issues, which shows in the occasional misstep I've made here lately which is highly unusual for me, so I don't have a clue what it is you're asking me to do; you and others here seem to forget that I've said more than once that I'm a total amateur with no background in anything literary who just started doing this a few years ago to pass the time (which makes the fact that I have one of the largest number of non-moderator edits in the history of this site even more remarkable). I'm just about done doing this, anyway, for many reasons, and am mostly doing simple stuff these days, so I have a suggestion; you mentioned recently that you're still in contact with this Chris J, so maybe you can ask him if he's the one who entered the name wrong and, if so, why. If it was him, maybe you can convince him, now that I have brought the American edition to everyone's attention, to do whatever it is you said above. I notice that the Archive.org copy was uploaded in September, 2015 and his first entry in the edit history was November, 2015, so the correct spelling of her name was available at the time. If nobody wants to do any of this, it won't bother me. I've done hundreds of edits since this one and can barely remember it, anyway. I'm sure, though, that the ones here who like to variant every name and title difference would want to see it entered; people who've searched for her on this site over the years may have come away disappointed because her name has been wrong for so many years. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::::::I'm not going to contact another editor on your behalf.  Chris J's talk page is [[User talk:Chris J|here]].  However, there is no point in contacting Chris.  None of the edits in the history added the content to the record.  Even if we could determine who added the records incorrectly, what would be the point of contacting that person?  They could have been working from a secondary source that was incorrect, but in the end, it doesn't matter.  You've discovered an error in a record and you've fixed only part of that error.  That's good, but the job isn't finished.  The bare minimum to fix this record is:
 
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:::::::Making variants when an alternate name is used is not something that is optional or done only when people like to.  It's a data integrity issue that needs to be resolved.  As it stands, this record will show up on several cleanup reports until it is fixed.  Also, there is no problem in searching by an alternate name.  If set up correctly, each alternate name has a link to the canonical name, as does all 4 of Ms. Mann Borgese's alternate names.  By the way, when you being one of these multi-step edits, it is generally a good idea to let the moderator know that you intend the next steps by adding it to the moderator note.  I've tried to give you complete instructions, but if you have any questions when attempting this, please reach out either here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:31, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Number Line ==
 
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https://archive.org/details/nailedbyheart0000clar_p5s1; What printing is this? It's 3rd, isn't it? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:49, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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: Yes, the 3rd - the lowest number on the list gives you the current printing (with a special note for some number lines that contain a year as well as a printing number). That specific configuration of numbers is a pretty common one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::OK. I asked because of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372, where either I goofed or there was some hiccup when I entered it, so I made a new edit with the right cover, but the 2002 edition on Archive.org matches the ISFDB note which says "third printing" yet the mod who rejected this said 4th printing, which I had a feeling was wrong. I'll now add a link in that record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:53, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== The Heaven Maker ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518099; I recently added the 2014 TP and a link to the Archive.org copy which was recently uploaded; why page count is different between all 3 editions is unknown, someone entered them for the HC and they seem accurate, final essay starting on p. 249 and page count being 254, while TP is 20 pages longer but doesn't seem to have any extra material, but more importantly is while importing HC contents into TP and adding page numbers I now notice that the foreword, which is actually titled Forward in the book, is by Janis McKay, who is actually Janis Mackay per signature, an author with several credits on ISFDB, while the intro is actually by Herbertson. So if anyone can get a hold of the original HC edition and verify it's the same then those can be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Magnus Fin ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30867; Print editions are all same price, one says TP, one PB, and one "unknown", in case anyone knows which they should all really be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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: They are all the standard B format in UK (a few mm under 20 cm) - which is a tp in our DB. I've fixed the 2 that were added in error. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Tenth Time (A)round ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?74425; I randomly came across that Venture issue on Archive.org, a Brit magazine that apparently reprinted F&SF with added illustrations, if I'm understanding it correctly, and I immediately noticed a problem; McIntosh's story, which ISFDB claims is only "Tenth Time Round" in Venture, is the same in F&SF, too; it's not "Tenth Time Around". There are some active PV so I'm not touching it but this seems like a fairly big change so I thought I'd mention it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:36, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I updated the title in {{P|61294|The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959}} based on the [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v016n05_1959-05_PDF/page/n3/mode/2up Internet Archive scan] and notified the active verifiers. I will also expand {{P|351769|Venture Science Fiction, October 1964}} based on its Internet Archive scan. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:34, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::https://archive.org/search?query=%22venture+british+ed%22&sort=-addeddate; I think these are all the issues available, in case anything else needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 8 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Thank you. Searching for Venture Science Fiction only returned the one hit and Venture too many. I appreciate you finding a good search term. I will add the links to the magazines and make updates as needed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 11:08, 8 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
 
== Pranks ==
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've been trying to fix publisher Leisure as many of their old books here as by Leisure Books were wrongly entered here with Dorchester in the publisher; with this book I have a vague memory of working on it last year, trying to get all the cover images to match price/ID entered here, and after adding an Archive.org link to the 3rd one I noticed the 1st one, entered by ChrisJ in 2014, is the same as the 3rd one (which I entered last year) except he used the original edition's 1983 date instead of the reprint's 8/89 date which is on the copyright page, so I think the 1st one can be deleted. The 2nd one has a broken image and a Not Found message when it's clicked; I see that I made an edit some time ago for that, too, but obviously if the image was broken back then it would have been noticed. So does anyone have any ideas about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4333; Cover of J. Rovin's UFO Movie Quiz Book says intro by Wise (who was a famous director) so I added that here and put (director) after his name to differ him from the Wise on ISFDB who wrote Christian novels; interview is also by the other Wise, https://www.ebay.com/itm/371173025862, as the seller mentions in his description. Now that it's an interview about films should it be deleted or should (director) be added to that, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 7 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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In "James Gunn's Ad Astra" #12 (the current issue), René Walling writes an essay on "Report: Books, Creators and Series, 1800-2018", in which he does a statistical analysis of books published in the genre during the specified period. He analyzes 168,012 genre books, of which 162,140 come from isfdb, and another 5,872 come from "The Locus Index to Science Fiction" and the "SFBooklist". He focuses his attention on (1) Number of books and creators; (2) Number of books published by an author; and (3) Number of series published. And, of course, how these numbers vary over time. If you're interested, the article is online at https://www.adastrasf.com/report-books-creators-and-series-1800-2018/. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:47, 7 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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The Haiku Foundation, as part of its mission to expand possibilities for English-language haiku, created the Touchstone Awards Series in 2010 for individual haiku and senryu (The Touchstone Award for Individual Poems) and books (The Touchstone Distinguished Books Award). In 2022, the Touchstone Award for Individual Haibun was added to recognize individual haibun.
 
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Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SillyWilly|SillyWilly]] ([[User talk:SillyWilly|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SillyWilly|contribs]]) .</small>
 
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Thanks. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alittlebook|contribs]]) .</small> 09:52, 10 April 2023‎ (EDT)
 
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=richard+hil&type=Name; This falls under the category of "never assume anything". So I randomly found a copy of Squane's Journal #4 (1997) on eBay, a special Ramsey Campbell issue, and took the time to enter the extensive essays included, 1 of which was by a Richard Hill. Something seemed familiar about that name and, being fairly common, I checked to make sure there weren't others with that name here. It turns out that there's a Richard Hill from the USA who wrote a few SF stories in the early 70's, but he had 1 story that was dated many years after he died in 1999. Turns out that story belonged to Richard Hill (I), who wrote a few recent stories in horror publications. However, under this (I) was a 1980 anthology, Hot Air, which I entered in 2021, although I have very little recollection of doing so and apparently just did it so I could enter the original appearance of Ramsey Campbell's story "Out of Copyright" in this obscure British publication. Thinking I was clever, I added a (II) to the editor of Hot Air and also added it to the poem's author since that was written for an early 90's anthology, Now We Are Sick, edited by 2 Brits and so was almost certainly by the same Hill. However, after these edits were approved, I clicked on the Horror Zine bio under Hill (I) and discovered that, I think, the Hill who's written a few recent horror stories is the SAME GUY as the Brit Hill, since it mentions him being from Liverpool and he's obviously an older guy judging by his photo; there's also another bio I found, http://www.thehorrorzine.com/Fiction/June2012/Hill/RichardHill.html, which describes him as a widely published poet, and I notice that in the first bio there's a poem reproduced from who knows where; the title of it, Slick Jack Brady, is completely unknown to Google. So it seems a guy who edited an ultra-obscure mainstream Liverpool travelogue that's only remembered today because Campbell had a story in it decided after 30 years to suddenly write short stories in mostly American magazines (although his last story on ISFDB was in a Brit anthology). So I think I should change the 3 entries as (II) to (I) unless anyone can tell me that the recent Hill is a totally different guy who just happens to also come from Liverpool. Anyone? Hey, I just noticed something; 2 of the Hills have 1941 entered as their birth date. I assume the USA Hill was verified but I have a feeling the Brit Hill's date may be a mistake, although it's certainly possible that they both just had the same birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (EDT)
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I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258899; [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BOcAAOSwwIxjMHRN/s-l1600.jpg]; Shouldn't the date be March? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 14 April 2023 (EDT)
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Are there any objections to converting [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11929 this] to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)
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:Yes. The verifier (who is no longer active) added the pub note stating March so I updated the pub date to match. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 15 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Fekete ==
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: It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from {{A|Kim Newman}}'s ''Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles''. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=feket&type=Name; First name probably the same guy as Joe with Jr., Joe without Jr. wrote a story in 1965, could be the same guy or his dad. I noticed this when adding story links to stories in Gateway Magazine; most now have links although a few were dead or couldn't be found. Most of them are terrible, but that's besides the point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:31, 14 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Termush - convert to novella ==
  
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== Russell Miller ==
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Another recent reprint shows [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1443797 this one] as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21117; I added a link to an edition of Bare-Faced Messiah; the short story is by some lawyer, https://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=1111, bio at bottom. I don't see anywhere online that mentions Miller stories in those other publications mentioned, 2 of which are genre and 2 of which sound like mainstream magazines. Differing needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (EDT)
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== John Stanley ==
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:The two authors have been separated. I also updated the story with the link you provided. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 15 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== FK Young ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165423; The poem and first 2 stories are by some old pulp writer; the new guy is the subject of a recent post on Wormwoodiana. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Doolin ==
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:They've been separated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 20 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Rare Ligotti Story ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641814; Ligotti.net, according to an article I read, existed in several incarnations and the early ones are lost, but someone got parts of it from somewhere so, while trying to get a link for "Teeth" by Matt Cardin (his first story), the link to which just defaults to the modern Ligotti site and a "not found" page, I saw there were other stories listed, including a few from the man himself. 2 sounded familiar but "Ghost Stories for the Dead" didn't, and it turns out it's never been collected. It was reprinted in Crypt of Cthulhu in '89 but it turns out it's from '82. The index on philsp.com is wrong; E. M. Cioran is not a pseudonym of Ligotti but a real poet, and this article, https://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=527&page=2, mentions his admiration and that he used a quote to introduce "Ghost Stories", which is probably why the index is confused. I mention all this in case anyone ever enters the missing issues of Grimoire here, only 1 and 4 currently, because as usual online info is not to be trusted. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641848; The feoamante.com site, still online but dead, gave me a link to the old Ligotti site, when they were using a totally different URL, www.longshadows.com, so I've replaced the archived link since this one says 1999 while the previous one said 2019 (although the earliest links are May and October 1999 but when you click on them they refuse to go to those archived pages and instead go to November; spooky). Also, I found Cardin's story "Notes of a Mad Copyist"; it's also on the 2019 archived site but while the old site shows it just fine the new one is completely black and the text needs highlighting to read it; sadly, "Teeth" is missing on the old site, too, and Cardin revised many of his stories for his collections, so it would be good to read the original; if anyone can find it on some other old site I don't know about that would be great. I also discovered that Ligotti's story "Allen and Adelaide" is on ISFDB twice, the 1981 original and the 1989 Crypt of Cthulhu reprint, the difference being & vs. and, so I've made them variants. One I'm not sure about is "Three Scientists", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2702155, which actually contains the first 3 titles here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360640, with their 1985 dates being because, according to online info, they originated in Songs of a Dead Dreamer, problem being the earliest edition on ISFDB is 1986 and no edition contains any of them. I also notice the first title was in a 1986 poetry best-of, so 1985 is likely correct, except it's actually from 1982, so this is a problem. How to variant the 3 titles to the original umbrella title is the question I have. Also, anyone who can further clean up Ligotti's info would be appreciated. Just now I found his poem "Envoi" on some obscure site and added a link. EDIT: I see that Cardin has several stories which are in his record twice, with one being spelled differently (Theater vs. Theater), so variants likely needed there. I also found a link to his recent huge collection To Rouse Leviathan, https://archive.bookfrom.net/build_in_search/?q=matt+cardin, on a site which probably shouldn't be linked to in his record so I'll just leave it here in case anyone just wants to read the stories. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2749745; 3 titles mentioned in note are also individual stories on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 21 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Uncorrected Proofs ==
  
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== Balefires ==
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5870146 this submission] to update {{P|29328|this record}}.  I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added.  More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our [[ISFDB:Policy#Contents/Project Scope Policy|scope]].  The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public.  Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope?  This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted.  If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board.  Thoughts?  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)
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: I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the <i>announced but never published (entered as "unpublished")</i> part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?215571; 2009 PB on Archive.org, I added a link in a pending edit, I think 2008 PB is redundant and can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:04, 21 April 2023 (EDT)
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:: Comparing this publication record with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3379 other, published, editions of the book], I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)
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:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 April 2023 (EDT)
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:::I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book.  However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents.  The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things.  How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published?  I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication.  We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year."  I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist.  I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database.  If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)
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:::: That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Saxton Stories ==
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:::::I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.
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:::::1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.
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:::::2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.
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:::::3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.
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:::::4) I'm ambivalent about importing the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?950860 coverart record]. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.
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:::::5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)
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::::::I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above.  I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof.  I'll reject the held edit.  Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124321; The variant for "Woe..." is correct, I checked, but "Heads Africa...", as confirmed from PV of Orbit edition where it first appeared, has no comma after Africa but it does in Saxton's collection; also, is it correct that "Gordon's Women" is dated '76, French date, but "Pollyanna Enzyme" is dated '86, collection date, and not '80, German date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
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== N. Carroll ==
  
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== Razar ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)
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:Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)
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::Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644587; Bewildering Stories, which only has recent issues indexed here, has many stories in old issues that are here and while adding some links I saw a story, "Groomed", by Chris Bartholomew that jogged my memory. It's in this weird anthology but the problem is 2 of his stories were jumbled together so it's here as "Ante Up Groomed"; I also noticed some of his other stories don't have exactly the same titles as here. So if anyone can access the full issue a lot of fixes can be done, along with page numbers, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
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::: Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Novelization for Unfilmed Screenplay? ==
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::::I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5638720 this submission]. The [[Template:TitleFields:Novelization|help template]] specifies that the novelization flag is for "novelization of a movie, TV show, game or other '''non-written work'''" (emphasis mine).  I may be splitting hairs here, but it strikes me that this work is an adaptation of a screenplay (a written work which would be eligible itself were it published), rather than a novelization.  Do we want to include this sort of thing in the novelization flag?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:39, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
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::::: There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?373877 Noel Carroll]. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name Here] is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:If a film using the screenplay had been made, wouldn't this be a typical novelization? To my simple mind, the act of filming the screenplay has no bearing on the nature of novel.  It seems to me novelization should be adaptation-as-a-novel of any work produced for delivery via a non-"reading" medium.  --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:14, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Karen Simmons ==
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:Perhaps a rewording to something like "novelization '''of the screenplay or script''' of a movie, TV show, game, or other non-written work" (emphasis added to show the new wording). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:00, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Don't replace the word '''movie'''. See [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?197778 Luana] for a reason. The fact the movie was not filmed (or distributed or shown) seems irrelevant. I'm more in agreement with MartyD's approach, but why limit it to non-"reading"? A play has a script delivered via a non-"reading" medium - acting - so should novels produced from them should be novelizations? Play scripts have been published, though rarely. But do we allow for novelizations from short stories? or poems (Beowolf?)? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::I didn't replace the word "movie" in my suggested rewording, so I'm not sure what you mean. Also, I wouldn't call ''Luana'' a novelization since he just made up a story based on the poster and watching a movie in a language he didn't understand. That's not novelizing. That's making it up wholesale, with a little inspiration from visuals. It's a completely different story.
 
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:::As for play novelizations, I'd consider those covered under the "or other non-written work" part. Expanding a short story into a novel is not so much novelization as it is making up entirely new scenarios and plots based on the short content of the original story. Same with a poem. For me, a novelization is an adaptation of a similarly-lengthy (so not short stories or poems) visual medium such as television, movies, games, plays, and the like. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:11, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::If it helps, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelization Wikipedia] defines it as "a derivative novel that adapts the story of a work created for another medium, such as a film, TV series, stage play, comic book or video game." ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:15, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::: FWIW I tagged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2885785 the Pat Cadigan adaptation of the William Gibson attempt at Alien 3], which seems to be a similar scenario to the edit in question here, as a novelization, and that edit was approved by Annie back in 2021 when I didn't have self mod privs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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(unindent) One of the challenges here is that -- in most cases -- we don't know how much the "novelizer" relied on the written script/plot outline that the media work was based on. Chances are that the author watched/played the media work in question at least once, but it's also likely that the author was familiar the script/plot outline. It's entirely possible that some novels/stories which we list as "novelizations" and which say "Based on [media work]!" on the cover were primarily based on script/plot outlines as opposed to on actual media works. (I say this in part because that's how some novelizations read.)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [https://www.picclickimg.com/images/g/04sAAOSw1Mdltkv~/s-l1600.jpg], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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Because of this uncertainty I would be inclined to use the "novelization" flag and then add a note explaining the gory details. Even if we don't use the flag, we'll want to add notes.
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:Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)
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::Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)
  
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After reviewing the linked Help template I am also thinking that we could profitably clarify the text in other ways, but that's a separate issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 20:25, 25 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Wesso ==
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: I think the clarification should consider what ISFDB wants to consider 'novelization' to be, as opposed to relying on external definitions. Interestingly we have a Note saying that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20417 Peter Pan] is a novelization of a play, but the Novelization flag is not set. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:22, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: The flag is relatively new -- we used to use the contents field with specifically designed strings before and these were not set as often as the flags are now. I often find such obvious omissions... :)
 
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:: I think that if something claims to be a novelization, we put the flag up and add a note with all the details we know - until more evidence is found that makes that incorrect (then we change the note and explain why it is not a novelization). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:25, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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::: This may be more of a Rules and Standards topic, but here are my thoughts:
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)
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::::* A novelization must follow the same plot as the "media work" being novelized. If a work of written fiction is set in a media universe but has an original plot, it is not a novelization. This rule excludes original novels and stories set in media universes like Star Wars, Star Trek, Warcraft, etc.
 
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== Portuguese Jedi ==
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== Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852871; I think this should be a variant of an English-language novel, right? Also, it's Kahn who wrote Star Wars novels, not Khan, so that might be wrong (and James Khan has a recent story in his record, so there may actually be a Khan totally unrelated to the Star Wars guy). This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1394010, seems to have been done correctly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
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I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.
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== The Fire Worm ==
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Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. {{Unsigned2|17:38, February 8, 2024‎| Martycohen36 }}
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5223; I just added a link in a pending edit to the Grafton edition; it mentions "Jingling Geordie's Hole" on copyright page, a 1986 Interzone story that (I think) is used for one of the chapters and seems to be mentioned elsewhere in the novel. No edition on ISFDB mentions this fact, so should it be noted somewhere or should the story be imported? Also, and I have a vague memory of asking this before, but the e-reads edition says 1988, which is wrong because that company wasn't founded until 1999. It's 1 of 6 with a too-early date on ISFDB, none PV, so fixing shouldn't be a problem if anyone knows what dates they really should have. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:40, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Black Christmas ==
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:It might be 1998-12-01, which would work okay. That's around the dawn of ebooks. Also, [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31329187634&searchurl=an%3Dwatson%2Bian%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dfire%2Bworm&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title8 this listing] on Abebooks states the novel is based on the "Jingling Geordie's Hole" short story, so that's what the mention was likely referring to. The short was apparently expanded into the novel. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:10, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
 
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::https://openlibrary.org/works/OL3691729W/The_Fire_Worm?edition=key%3A/books/OL8007597M#editions-list; 2002 e-book and 9/2004 PB, so there's probably several releases for each book by the company. Also, I think the complete short story is in the novel, copyright page says the story "first appeared" in Interzone. This, https://archive.org/stream/interzone-26/Interzone26_djvu.txt, says "constructed around" the "originally self-contained" story, so someone more familiar than I with Watson's work would need to see if the story is in the novel complete, spread among the chapters, etc. Likely importing the story would be incorrect but certainly a note could be added mentioning the novel's based around the story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Riddle of the Exodus ==
  
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Looks to be the same sort of thing as the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?412+0 Grand Master Award]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:37, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)
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:Cool. She's a great author. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 22:22, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
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:Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from {{A|James D. Long}}. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)
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::Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from {{A|James D. Long}} as it is more than likely a different person. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:: The official press release is [https://www.sfwa.org/2023/04/27/the-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-octavia-e-butler/ here]. As near as I can tell, the first Infinity award will be presented at the 2023 "Annual Nebula Awards® Ceremony", but it will be separate from the Nebula award. Unlike the Bradbury award and the Norton award, the Infinity award is not mentioned on the [http://nebulas.sfwa.org/about-the-nebulas/nebula-rules/ Nebula Rules page]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Mutant Chronicles ==
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::: FWIW the Grand Master Award isn't listed on that rules page either.  Looking at [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/2021/ their page for last year's awards], Grand Master, Solstice and Service to SFWA are all in a "Other Awards" list on the right, separate from the main "Nebula Awards" list.
 
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::: Anyone with more insight or opinion on these? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:04, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:::: As to whether the Norton and Bradbury awards are technically Nebula categories, I have reviewed [https://daviddlevine.com/2019/04/i-am-now-officially-a-nebula-award-winner/ the 2019 blog post] that the Wikipedia article links to and I am still not sure I understand how it works. It would be best to find an official announcement before we start changing things.
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== Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N. ==
  
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:::: In the meantime, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?103 Award Type record], a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1065+0 Award Category record] and a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78337 Award record] for {{A|Octavia E. Butler}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:10, 29 April 2023 (EDT)
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I need to make several changes to the pub records for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3126730 Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.]. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)
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: Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)
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::Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Clint Smith ==
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== Locus1 Secondary Verifications ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648349; SFE says it's not the same guy as the later horror writer; https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/smith_clint. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:02, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?197293 David Brin / Sundiver]. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rtrace/Archive15#David_Brin_.2F_Sundiver this explanation]. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".
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:I sent a message to the SFE editors asking about that since their bio says to not confuse the Clint Smith they list with the one who did the Gholjaw collection, but they list the Ghouljaw collection in that same bio. In the meantime, I've added a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?362778 Clint Smith (I)] entry until we know more. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:08, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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The most recent one I have encountered is [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."
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So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.
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However, if we do allow them then this Help page: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Reference:Verification_Sources Reference:Verification_Sources] needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:
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Opinions please. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)
  
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: An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/stats.cgi?2 50,000 Locus1 verifications] and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.
  
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: As far as cases like {{A|David Gerrold}}'s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 Chess with a Dragon] go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)
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::Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating [[Reference:Verification_Sources]] to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.
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::I am working on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?191929 David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon] and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648405; Here's a weird one. This rare book was uploaded recently so I made the above edit, checked afterwards for Carl J. Hoffman, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2144766, I think it's a mistake and should be this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?945236. Mistake by editor here or Italian editor in the Horror Story anthology? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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::: Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of [[Reference:Verification Sources]]. Thanks for identifying this issue. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)
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== Third Alternative #6 ==
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== Necronomicon in Sweden ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61651; I fixed a poem title ("Latest Things") and there's a story that's dated March here, there's 2 mentions in the zine of March, I propose all contents and issue itself be dated March. Yes or no? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:I think if you could find a scan of #5 and it had an "In March" section on the TOC page (as this one has "In July"), you could use March and cite that as the source of the date.  Unfortunately, there's no source cited for the March date on "The Bee Keepers", so we can't tell if there was something ascribing a March date to this issue and how authoritative that source might be.  Otherwise, the standard treatment for issues with timing specified by season is to use just the year, so we're stuck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:42, 30 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Garland Library of SF ==
  
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== Dom and Va ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)
  
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==  Lou J. Berger ==
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:That's what shows on the copyright page as well as the LOC entry, so that's what we go with. I added a couple additional notes based on the Archive.org copy that's linked there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Flexi-Disc?!? ==
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The author has requested we change his canonical name from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?186596 Lou J. Berger] to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5878281 here]. Any objections? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)
  
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: Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)
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::Thanks. I see that I've never left a message on your page in all the years you've been here, so welcome. This Bridge flexi-disc thing is bugging me because there's literally almost no mention of it online that I can find except on discogs.com and a random comment on Goodreads where a guy named "Tom" says "At least I have a flexi-disc of one song from the soundtrack". Highly unusual when every minute detail of almost everything is mentioned somewhere. Skipp and Spector were once 2 of the most popular horror authors around so you'd think this item would be hot stuff but no, nothing. The important thing, though, is finding a complete issue of Iniquities #3 so we can see exactly how the contents are. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:: Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Locus on Microfilm ==
  
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I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)
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This is a general fiction award for novels or collections of short fiction by a single author, with genre works winning or receiving honors on occasion. It doesn't appear to be a poll (I can't find details on exactly how the winner is decided each year), there's no fee to enter, works published only as ebooks are not eligible, reprints of previously-published work are not eligible, and the full guidelines are [https://jewishlibraries.org/fiction-award-submission-guidelines/ here]. Should we add it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 30 April 2023 (EDT)
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== Sword of the Samurai ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)
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:::Thanks! Those are the only two I could determine are genre. None of the others seemed like genre works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:03, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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:I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)
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::I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material.  A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide....  I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have.  Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material.  Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)
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== Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650639; A dozen random issues of this magazine were uploaded on Archive.org in 2016 but today, while looking for something else, I stumbled on a single issue that was uploaded by a completely different person in 2021. Surprisingly, there was quite a bit that needed added/fixing; I tried my best, but I'm sure someone can improve on a few things after it's approved. Dirk B. entered it here in 2019 so he might want to look at it. Also, I made a follow-up edit merging "More Chain Lightning" by Lovecraft, keeping 1915 date and essay format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)
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The current pre-release cover of {{A|Samantha Mills}}'s debut novel [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:
  
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== Mr. Murphy ==
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* [https://samtasticbooks.com/2024/02/17/rabbit-test-unwins-the-hugo/ “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo]: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651017; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651022; There's a note by someone discussing Jim/James A. Moore's name in the anthology but it turns out Murphy's name was wrong here; however, in their novel he really was credited just as Kevin Murphy. There's also a story, "Awake", published in old British horror zine Peeping Tom, many 90's/early 2000's cover art credits (some for books by Moore and so very possibly by the same Murphy who wrote with him), an interview with a guy from the old MST3K show, and a (II) who wrote a letter to Analog in the late 70's. So when my edits are approved the Murphys need separating if anyone can figure out who's who. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 1 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Tinmey ==
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* On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the [https://jasonsanford.substack.com/p/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on Genre Grapevine] and [https://file770.com/the-2023-hugo-awards-a-report-on-censorship-and-exclusion/ File770]. ... we also got a look at [https://drive.google.com/file/d/1rhCwKLMydCto6HvXvcqjR553DqrhTfBu/view the validation list itself], aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: ''not a single fiction winner'' (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.
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* There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=tinm&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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* Keep an eye on [https://www.amazon.com/Wings-Upon-Her-Back-ebook/dp/B0CVS2RDH8 ''The Wings Upon Her Back''] to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.
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* Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.
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* Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued [https://www.wsfs.org/2024/01/31/announcements-from-worldcon-intellectual-property/ a statement] censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.
  
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== Peter Tate ==
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[[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11147; Note in his first story says it's slightly different version of the second story. Should they be made variants? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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: Earlier today {{A|Adrian Tchaikovsky}} disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on [https://adriantchaikovsky.com/ his Web site]. The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78915 award record] has been updated. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)
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::These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think.  If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos.  Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Looking for 90s e-zine Cosmic Visions ==
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::: One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.
  
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Good afternoon. I am trying to find any information about the late 90s ezine 'Cosmic Visions' that was put out by John Fultz for several years. I spoke to the editor myself, and he said he had no records or copies remaining. Specificaly, I am trying to find the September '97 edition which included a story by Stanley C. Sargent called "Synopticon of Fear". Does anyone have a lead re. any collectors or archivists out there that may be able to point me in the right direction? Thank you! --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:24, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:
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:Was it published on a website? If so, do you know what the URL was? Was it published as an ebook? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:46, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::* Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided
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::It was an ebook, distributed via PDF from cosmicvisions.com. The website went down in 1998, but there's some archived pages [https://web.archive.org/web/19970414113406/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/ here]. The editor told me that becase the copyrights were donated, each issue had an "expiration" date, but it wasn't clear to me if this meant he would stop distributing it, or if the files actually deleted themselves. And thanks for fixing my posting error. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 15:59, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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:::https://web.archive.org/web/19970416090028/http://www.cosmicvisions.com/html/cvse.pdf; Only PDF in the archived pages as far as I can tell. None of the contents are on ISFDB. Whoopee. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:34, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html; Looks like he had 5 stories in Cosmic Visions and an interview with Bruce Campbell, star of the Evil Dead movies (evidence of that seemingly nowhere online at present). So I think a lot more than the story you mentioned above are elusive; the only evidence of it I see is your comments on Reddit. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/note_search_results.cgi?OPERATOR=contains&NOTE_VALUE=cosmic+visions; famed author Brian A. Hopkins had a bunch of stories in the zine; non-famous author Sean Rodgers had at least one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:30, 2 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Well, I'm working my way through the archived pages and trying to add what I can find. You can see the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?69784 issue grid here] for what I've entered so far. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:38, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::It looks like a lot of big names were in this zine and it seemed to run for a long time. I keep finding random mentions in online bibliographies and such (even on LYSATOR, for God's sake), but I'd be happy if I could just find the Campbell interview. At least we now have that PDF linked here. Even the guy who ran the zine didn't seem to mention it; he probably forgot it was there. Websites in the nineties are like fossils now. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:52, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Based on what I can find, it appears the magazine folded shortly after the January 1998 issue. I can't find anything in the archives about any issues beyond that one. So, it appears to have lasted about 1.5 years. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::It looks like Robert Silverberg, Thomas Ligotti, Lin Carter, and Brian Lumley all contributed based on the entry on [http://www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/SF_resource_guide/sfrgc4.htm this page]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:31, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I'm curious how you know "Synopticon of Fear" was in the September 1997 issue. I can't find that information anywhere, though I may not be searching for the right information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:23, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::Ah, it's on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html bibliography page archive] linked by Username, above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I think I've gotten the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17678 Stanley C. Sargent] bibliography as far as I can with the current sources I've found. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:28, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Wow, thank you Nihonjoe and Username! You jumped on this faster than I could have imagined and did more than I could have myself! I am going to try to reach Robert M. Price to see if he has anything in his archives he's able to share, and I'll reach out to you if there's anything to be found. --[[User:MagusManders|MagusManders]] ([[User talk:MagusManders|talk]]) 14:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:01, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Atwood's Dancing Girls ==
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:: It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653645; Nobody ever entered original Seal PB so I did from recently uploaded scan but got ISBN trouble. Only site in Google Search with the ISBN without the dashes is Open Library which of course links to Archive.org, but there's also 1 lonely site that has the ISBN with the dashes, https://leavesandpages.com/2012/07/03/review-dancing-girls-by-margaret-atwood/. So somebody out there has a copy with the same ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:00, 3 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the [https://www.thehugoawards.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/2023-Hugo-Award-Stats-Final.pdf voting statistics] released [https://www.thehugoawards.org/2024/01/2023-nominating-and-final-ballot-statistics-published/?ref=astrolabe.aidanmoher.com on 2024-01-20], there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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:Changing the checksum digit did not result in a valid ISBN. In these cases, we move the ISBN to the catalog field and make a note that it has an invalid ISBN in the pub notes. I have taken care of that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:34, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot. I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)
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::Added another link to a copy and replaced cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::: Everything looks good, thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)
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== Constable ==
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:: I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472; While adding a bunch of edits for Jonathan Aycliffe books I discovered a lot of the recent editions had wrong covers with somewhat different text. Constable & Robinson is the publisher for most on ISFDB but I also got a Corsair. Problem is most were actually published by the Constable imprint, with that publisher being on the title page and the copyright page mentioning it's an imprint of Constable & Robinson, but there's only a handful on ISFDB with imprint/publisher being entered correctly (I've fixed the few I've come across in my edits). However, Corsair is also an imprint of theirs and yet there are nearly 200 books on ISFDB by them but none as an imprint. That's a separate issue, but I'm only interested in this particular case where Constable is on the title page but copyright page now says it's an imprint of Little, Brown. There doesn't seem to be any combination of those on ISFDB so how should this imprint/publisher be entered? A text search on Archive.org revealed that the copyright text about Little, Brown for Aycliffe books only finds this one. There's several Little, Brown publishers on ISFDB, ISBN 1-4721 leads to several British ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: Yes, indeed. {{FR|1086}}, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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: Re. how these should be entered, I'll let someone more experienced speak to that, but my reading of [[Template:PublicationFields:Publisher]] is that whilst "Foo / Bar" may be preferable to "Foo" or "Bar", neither of the latter are intrinsically "incorrect"? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:59, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Machen Merges ==
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::: I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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::::I've updated [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?9534 this] and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judy-Lynn_del_Rey Wikipedia article].  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55418; Person who entered contents, J.D. Cowan (has their own record on ISFDB) didn't merge anything in the 2nd and 3rd volumes and a few things in the first may not be merged, either, from what I can tell. They seem to have generated a lot of messages on their page about not entering things properly but never answered any of them so it's pointless to leave a message there; if anyone wants to merge all of that I'm letting you know. Machen's stories were published under a mess of slightly different title variations so it probably won't be easy. Also, looking at his ISFDB page I see that stories jump from 1937 to 3 1987 Italian titles, a 2019 Italian title, and a 2022 Portuguese title; the 2019 story, Un frammento di vita, capitolo IV, is possibly the same as the last poem on his page, Un frammento di Vita, so that's another issue. Is it a story or a poem? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::: Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)
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== Kater-Bound ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654147; Judging by edit history the title changed back and forth, with Stonecreek, I believe, entering the full title, but shouldn't all words be capitalized? ISFDB doesn't care how it's entered in the book, words should be capitalized, I seem to remember reading that somewhere? Also, Hand's ISFDB author image is the cover of this book; it would be nice if someone could find a good one to replace it with. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)
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:The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)
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::Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles.  All should be listed in my opinion. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Miriam Allen de Ford ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542210; I have a few suggestions. There's a copy, https://archive.org/details/tillyroman0000pere, which is 111 pages, not 112, unless that last unnumbered page is in some way a part of the novel, in which case a note should be added about last page being unnumbered. Also, the subtitle Roman is not needed because it just means novel and those kinds of things aren't included in titles per ISFDB rules. Most importantly, this is some later edition judging by copyright page and 13-digit ISBN. By the way, there must be other genre-related books from this publisher, right? Because this is the only one on ISFDB. EDIT: I discovered something interesting while adding a link to the English-language edition; it says "a novel" on the cover but "the novel" on the title page because apparently it was originally an audio drama in 1986. So I don't know how exactly English translates to Dutch but if it's "the novel" then possibly that was meant to delineate between this print edition and the original spoken word. In which case subtitle "The Novel" should be added to the English and "Roman" left as is in the Dutch. If anyone cares about something so minor. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:11, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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Per the ''Spaces in Names'' subsection of [[:Template:PublicationFields:Author]], Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as {{A|Miriam Allen deFord}}. However, we have a {{A|Miriam Allen de Ford}} alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)
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:I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. [[User:MLB|MLB]] ([[User talk:MLB|talk]]) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)
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::No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. [[User:Linguist|Linguist]] ([[User talk:Linguist|talk]]) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).
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:::No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 {{unsigned|Debolestis}}
  
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== Bill Prosser ==
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== Ruben De Anda ==
  
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https://archive.org/details/horrorshorrorsho0000unse/page/181/mode/1up; A rare British edition of one of Helen Hoke's thousand or so anthologies was just uploaded on Archive.org, I added a link and fixed the ISBN (which was incorrectly the same as the American ISBN) somebody entered from WorldCat, I think (I have a feeling a lot of stuff is wrong in these books considering how many different editors here entered them over the years and the insane mess of multiple printings, interior art being re-used between USA and British but often totally different cover art, etc.). However, in this case what I want to know is if there's a way to extract an image from the back flap, because there's actually a clear photo of Bill Prosser, who did interior art and British covers which are pretty awesome (sometimes re-used for USA, sometimes not). Date is 1978 but he looks like a dirty hippie who just crawled out of a commune in Haight-Ashbury or whatever the British equivalent of that was so I'm assuming this was an old photo that probably is in other British Hoke editions if anyone could actually find the damn things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 4 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)
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:If you could update [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/File:Bill_Prosser.JPG this] page with the appropriate template variables, it should serve. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:08, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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:I don't know. But [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?107431 The Galaxy Primes] (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. [[User:Horzel|Horzel]] ([[User talk:Horzel|talk]]) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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::I'm a moron. I have no idea what that means so if you could explain further. Also, should I click on the image link and add it to his record in an edit? I think probably yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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::Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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:::And I'm a maroon. I didn't know where or how to connect it up and this was the best I could do as it was just graphics. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::I have [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File%3ABill_Prosser.JPG&type=revision&diff=661373&oldid=661301 filled in] the license template. Each template page has the instructions for completing the template. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:37, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Masterless Swords ==
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== Steve Miller: RIP ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654953; Obscure NZ newspaper article has revealed the contents, the titles of which seem to be nowhere on the web. However, I'm assuming the first 2 should be marked non-genre after this is approved. The article doesn't explicitly state the 3rd story's title but it's implied; there's a copy on eBay which shows title page but not contents page, so if anyone here has a copy that could help with possibly identifying the cover artist, verifying the title, and determining story lengths (I'm guessing it's 3 novellas). EDIT: I thought of searching newspapers.com and got 1 hit in an English paper but sign-up is required so I searched Google, verbatim, and got nothing but searching non-verbatim got 1 hit, https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/issue/straitstimes19480422-1, which shows a little bit of a review on p. 9 which seems, from the text, like a different review than that above, so if anyone has a subscription or whatever then possibly this review may verify the 3rd story's title, which is the only genre one and the most important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:18, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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For those who may not have seen an announcement, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?214 Steve Miller], co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?418 Sharon Lee], posted [https://korval.com/2024/02/21/steven-richard-miller-1950-2024/ this obituary]. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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:This author is not above the threshold IMO so their non-genre content would not be eligible. While the newspaper review implies the title is the same as the collection title ("third story explains the title"), but it is not explicit. We need a better source for the title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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:I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Jack Red Bear ==
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== Last User Activity ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5655023; I think the right thing is making original a variant of the more common name, right? If so, shouldn't the date of Strete title be 1977-10-00, date of his collection it appeared in under that name? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=nocka&type=All+Titles, where Strete supposedly wasn't even co-credited in the original and apparently it was by Strete under an alternate title and then the original title in his collection. I'm passing the baton on that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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:I varianted both stories to being by Bear and Strete. Due to how ISFDB works, if they were varianted to just Strete, they would disappear from the Bear page & we'd be left with an empty author page. It seems quite possible Bear was an alternate name for Strete so I added that to the {{A|Jack Red Bear}} author page, but without a source, it will have to remain speculation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:12, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Selkie Questions ==
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:There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits.  What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki.  That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Signet_Selkie; I tried discussing things with this guy but he's giving me his usual attitude so I'm going to ask further questions on this board. So I see from edit history that back in my early days here I entered the exact HC date using a clear photo of a review copy slip that's on FantLab. Recently I entered a later printing of the Signet PB but things were messy because the map date said March due to somebody messing with the date long ago, although he claims it was in 2010 but I don't see that anywhere, I think he meant 2009. He fixed the map date so now it should obviously be imported into the HC since that's where it comes from. So do others here see, as I do, that the map is also on p. [6] of the HC like it is in the PB? PV of HC doesn't respond except by e-mail which I'm definitely not sending. He PV it in 2007, prehistoric days in terms of this site, so maybe people weren't entering things like maps back then. Also, if anyone thinks the page count really needs [6] added to it like this guy did for his PB PV they can always add it to the HC and my PB entry, you have my permission, although there's still the case of the mysterious 1990 12th printing entered, possibly, by Bluesman who's long-gone and also where printings 2, 4-11, and possibly more are and whether they all included the map. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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:: Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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:See [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1351644 this submission] from April 2010, scroll down to Modified Regular Titles and you see the date change of the map to 1982-03-00. That was not messing with the date, but aligning it with the date of the hardcover edition, (1982-03-00 since [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?1241153 this october 2009 edit]. I pointed to the edit that changed the date to 1982-04-16 in May 2021. I also pointed to the helptext that explains why the pagenumber should be [6] for the first paperback printing. Is there anyone else who thinks this has anything to do with "attitude", or is this simply the same editor complaining whenever someone disagrees with anything he does? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] ([[User talk:Willem H.|talk]]) 15:13, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith? ==
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::You also advised me that you skipped an edit I made for the HC of this book because I didn't leave a note on the PV's page even though it wasn't changing anything but just importing the map credit which either PV didn't think needed entering or maybe entering map info wasn't a thing here back in 2007, and whoever entered the map info in the PB forgot/didn't know or care to import it themselves (I see from edit history that the map was likely entered by Bluesman and APPROVED BY Mhhutchins, the same person who didn't enter it in the original HC that they PV, so why after approving it in the PB he didn't just import it himself to his own PV is a mystery that maybe you can ask him/her). Plus the fact that the PV has pretty much given up and doesn't respond to much of anything these days, requesting people send them an e-mail which I'm not going to do because the last thing I want is anyone on this site knowing my e-mail address. After our initial encounter a long time ago where you threw a fit because I told you I changed a few things in one of your PV and a few later unpleasant discussions we had you actually seemed to be responding professionally for a while to several of my messages without giving me much of a problem but I guess your meds ran out or something because you're back to your old self. You were the only active PV of the PB so I was trying to sort out the mess as I've done for thousands of other books but apparently your personal problems, whatever they are, are more important. Who cares, 50,000 edits done so far, losing 1 here or there doesn't bother me. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:10, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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::: Please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]]. A warning has been left on [[User:Username]]'s Talk page as per the Policy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
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One of my friends pointed me at [https://www.fanac.org/fanzines/Oopsla/Oopsla10.pdf#view=Fit issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla], specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says:
  
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== F&SF Sep/Oct 2022 ==
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  Third goes to another brand-new author, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1254 Evelyn E. Smith] ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?266764 Ermengarde Fiske].
  
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I noticed on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20325 the F&SF series page] that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3103984 the Sep/Oct 2022 issue] isn't part of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2971585 the 2022 record]. I only have a vague understanding/recollection of how magazines work, so I'll let someone more familiar with them work out if this should really be like that, and if not, how it should be fixed. (FWIW that standalone issue is PVed, but by an editor who hasn't been around since the start of the year.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:54, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be.  Any objections to varianting these author records?  [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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:I merged the two title records together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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: We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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:: Thanks.  (I'm currently in the middle of adding the remaining 100-odd Locus Award finalists, and didn't want to get sidetracked spending a bunch of time looking into that tangentially related issue.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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:: Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)
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::: This is now done.  Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record.  However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be. Thanks! [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== A pricing anomaly ==
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== J. Watson ==
  
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If we ever get into codifying multiple prices, here's an oddity to keep in mind - a book with two prices that are date dependent.
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)
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"£19.99 until 31 December 1998" / "£24.99 from 1 January 1999". ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949447 The Silmarillion]) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== RVT ==
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: See [[Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name]] for ideas.  Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet.  In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)
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::OK, thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ray+van+tilb&type=Name; Very likely the same person, problem is 2 of the publications are scarce zines and the Dragon issue, which I checked on annarchive.com, says Raymond Van Tilburg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:17, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Tem Title ==
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:[https://efanzines.com/Argentus/Ag13.pdf This] explains (and lets us correct) the Tilberg [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584053 here].  It's "Ray van Tilburg" on the cover and several mentions, but the artwork credit list below the TOC says "p.20 Ray van Tilberg".  The artwork is credited on p. 20, however, with "Ray VanTilburg". The text associated with that begins "Ray Van Tilburg has a niche...".  I am going to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:55, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::One follow-up on all of this:  A little Googling reveals "VanTilburg" is correct, not "Van Tilburg".  See the litany of [https://www.pinterest.com/aircool66/ Pinterest], [https://www.facebook.com/RayVanTilburgArt/ Facebook], [https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtofRayVanTilburg Etsy], and his [https://offworlddesigns.com/ OffWorld Designs Art] site.  Per ISFDB standard, spacing is normalized when recording the credit, so I am going to remove the space from the canonical name and note that an extra space is sometimes included in credits. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Brown's Brightest Day ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+brightest+day&type=Fiction+Titles; While adding links to stories that were on the old House of Pain horror site I added a link to Eric S. Brown story "The Brightest Day" but according to ISFDB it was published in a 2002 issue of Black Petals as Eric Brown, which means that is lumped in with the well-known Eric Brown who wrote a lot of SF. So if anyone knows how to get that issue of Black Petals and verify what his name is then either it can be variant or merge. I suspect there are other stories on Eric Brown's page here that belong to Eric S. Brown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 6 May 2023 (EDT)
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== The Hole of the Pit ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Le James Bond ==
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I was looking at a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?2278 page for a series] and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260470; French edition, https://archive.org/details/jamesbondchassea0000otfi, if anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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: The only order that the display software enforces is as you described above: all numbered sub-series are displayed first and the rest are displayed randomly. I think it would be fairly easy to display unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::: (after edit conflict) A more thorough review discovered that Summary pages were already sorting unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. I have adjusted the software to do the same on Series pages. Thanks for identifying the problem! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5657866; While doing this I saw an Arkady Leokum on Wikipedia with different birth/death dates but at the bottom of his credits is a book with Posnick (it's on Archive.org). Just thought that was weird. Maybe dad and son? Wiki mentions "pulp fiction" (doesn't list any, though) so maybe they're confusing Leonard with his dad, except that Wiki mentions a son but his name is Peter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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::Since series tend to be written in order, displaying the unnumbered titles in chronological order may make more sense. Although, sub-series wouldn't have a date and extrapolating the date from the earliest contained title would be more complex. Perhaps, numbered items followed by unnumbered sub-series followed by everything else in chronological order. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 18:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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::: Could you please clarify what you mean by "items" in this case? Series may contain both title records and sub-series records. They use different, unrelated, numbering systems. For example, a series may contain 3 titles numbered "0.5", "1" and "2", as well as two sub-series numbered "1" and "2". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/n04/n04934.htm#A181; 2 separate titles that don't match the title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2851147. EDIT: I made these 2 edits, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658281, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658282, but there's a problem with "The Veiled Portrait" because it was given the wrong name and the date doesn't match either of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359048, so I think somebody with a copy of this book needs to correct info somebody entered here; it seems to be Toff, who judging by the few entries on their page also entered some other Valancourt anthologies, so a look at those may be needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::I intended items to mean both title records amd sub-series records, either of which may be numbered. What I was suggesting is that within a series (parent), each numbered item would display based on the numbering. In your example, there would be a conflict as there are both titles numbered "1" and "2" and sub-series numbered "1" and "2".  Ideally, we would never assert that both a title and a sub-series should occur first in the parent series. Clearly, numbering only applies within the parent series. I believe that for numbered "items", I am not suggesting any changes to how things currently work. I had suggested a chronological sort for the remaining items based on your now corrected statement that they were displayed randomly. Given that we're already sorting alphabetically, it's probably fine to leave things as they are, unless others think a chronological sort would be preferable. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 21:13, 28 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners ==
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On Asimov's summary page we have the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68833 Introductions for 'The Hugo Winners']. This excludes his other essays - afterwords, postscripts and appendices - and so I propose enabling their inclusion by renaming the existing series to "Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners". What do others think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
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The [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?1991 BattleTech Universe] series and it's sub-series all list having an Issue Grid, which suggests they are Serials / Magazines. They look like books to me. Is it a mistake in the software or entry? Might the existence of one Serial in the series propagate? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 09:12, 29 February 2024 (EST)
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: The existing series has only Asimov's essays, and is missing the introduction by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135920 Charles Sheffield]. Not including it  suggests the title is wrong, but including it keeps it from being Asimov as your proposed title suggests. Also, prefixing it with "Asimov's Essays:" suggests that there are, or should be, other collections of his essays. Given how many he has written and how often they are reused, it may be difficult to categorize them. I think the series adds little value and don't care if it's changed, but I do think that a hierarchy of titles (e.g. "The Hugo Winners", "Essays for 'The Hugo Winners'") should be considered. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:24, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
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: Yep - if there is one magazine series somewhere in the sub series inside of a bigger series, the whole set and any sunsets of it shows the grid links. It is how the software is built. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:00, 29 February 2024 (EST)
  
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== Author DJ Tyrer ==
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:: Good catch. {{Bug|842}}, "Extraneous 'View Issue Grid' links on series pages", has been created. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:15, 29 February 2024 (EST)
  
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I have been working on a number of publications involving DJ Tyrer, as an editor or a contributor. In the actual publications, he is always credited as DJ Tyrer not [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153003 D. J. Tyrer]. Despite this, the ISFDB only showed separate initials. A quick check of the canonical record's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?153003 edit history] shows three merges. I contacted DJ and he confirms his first name is David-John, one name. He only goes by DJ. Separate initials are wrong. I intend to merge the two author records and all the appropriate title records. David-John Tyrer and David John Tyrer (one title each) will remain alternate names unless I can verify an error. I will add a note to the new canonical record so there will be no question in the future. He was also kind enough to review his summary bibliography and only found 4 errors, which I will correct. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:59, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
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:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5659503; There are at least a few other thehorrorzine.com Tyrer poetry pages currently online spanning several years where they printed several poems on each page, including "Afraid of the Dark" which has a 2021 date here but it's on a 2018 Horror Zine page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:15, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:26, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Gruft ==
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Can you please save the database with InnoDB utf8mb4 so accented and Chinese characters will show up correctly? As it now with MyISAM utf8, Иван Константинович Айвазовский shows up as &#1048;&#1074;&#1072;&#1085;&#1050;&#1086;&#1085;&#1089;&#1090;&#1072;&#1085;&#1090;&#1080;&#1085;&#1086;&#1074;&#1080;&#1095; &#1040;&#1081;&#1074;&#1072;&#1079;&#1086;&#1074;&#1089;&#1082;&#1080;&#1081;. It makes it hard to work with the database and makes it a lot larger than it has to be. {{unsigned|Catpoolfan}}
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495335; While doing edits for F. Paul Wilson books I saw this; that looks like a Les Edwards cover, doesn't it? If so, someone who can ID it can also variant it to the original. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:00, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
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: For historical reasons -- the ISFDB project started in 1995 -- ISFDB tables use "latin1_swedish_ci". You can see it if you run "SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, TABLE_COLLATION FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES" in MySQL. Non-Latin-1 Unicode characters are stored in the database as HTML entities. When you see "&#1081;" (i.e. "&#1081") displayed, that's because that's what's stored in the database.
  
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== Lincoln Hunters Date ==
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: There are plans to migrate from HTML entities to native Unicode, but it will be a major project with a number of dependencies. There is no ETA at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9373; I just added a link to the Rinehart 1st ed. and I think the dates are wrong because they're from the club ed. which usually comes later; anyone know original date? 3 PV of club ed., 2 long-gone and 1 with a very odd name has zip on their discussion page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
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== I Stole You ==
  
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== Butterfly Revolution Questions ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?60942+2017; A copy of Tripping... was recently uploaded so I added a link and the stories' numbers, there's also supposedly a copy of Ringman's collection but when I saw the red hardcover I knew that couldn't be right and it wasn't; it's a copy of some old romance novel by Jane Aiken Hodge. I checked all the usual sites but can't get contents page of TP so if anyone can or owns a copy fill in the page numbers if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:40, 1 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20540; Some more editions of Butler's books recently uploaded on Archive.org, I've been making some edits, I noticed someone (Don Erikson?) wrote a note about where they got cover artist from for the original American PB but didn't actually enter the artist. So if anyone has the book he got it from they may want to enter it. Also, the most recent American PB on ISFDB is a 20th printing but there's a 1984 19th printing uploaded with the same cover, so if anyone knows which edition was the first to use that cover they can fix the art date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Mandarin ==
  
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== Bloch's Second Coming ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905095; Is anyone familiar with Mandarin paperbacks who can say why ISBN on back cover doesn't match any other Mandarin PB on ISFDB which (almost) all start with 0-7493? This book's ISBN, 0-09, seems to have been used by Cresset per online searching but there is no mention of them anywhere in it; a couple of Cresset Editions books on ISFDB do have an ISBN which starts with that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:14, 2 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1222802; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97532; Might be the same thing. This, https://socialistjazz.blogspot.com/2017/04/ffb-eighth-stage-of-fandom-by-robert.html, describes it as articles about Jesus; this, https://cthulhuwho1.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2256_inventory_4.pdf, says it was in an obscure periodical, Osgledaren, foreign I'm guessing. So some obscure things here, Taboo, Eighth Stage of Fandom, and that periodical are not anywhere I can see, so help if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Donkerste Dag ==
  
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== Joan D. Vinge's Heaven Chronicles and Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought - same series? ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905146; Nico Richter has 1 credit on ISFDB for a German Neil Gaiman edition but here he's credited for design. Sheila Metzner is a famed artist and I don't know what Ortikol is so if anyone thinks any of them should be entered as cover artist they can do that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (EST)
  
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Per [https://www.tor.com/2023/05/10/five-authors-who-wrote-sequels-to-someone-elses-work/ a James Davis Nicoll piece published today on tor.com], ''"Finally, there is the curious matter of Joan D. Vinge’s 1978 [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1423 Outcasts of Heaven Belt], which shares a setting with Vernor Vinge’s [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?11587 Zones of Thought] stories... Vinge explained the genesis of her novel and the connection to the Zones in a 2008 letter to her readers. Until I read that letter, I had no idea there was a connection"'' and there's a link to [https://web.archive.org/web/20160303224912/http:/www.sff.net/people/jdvinge/letter_20081103.htm an archive.org copy of that letter] (which I've only skimmed over).
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There are a fair number of PVs of both the Joan and Vernor Vinge novels, any thoughts on whether those series could/should be merged, one made a subseries of the other, just have linking series notes, etc?  I don't have any personal opinion or insight on this, as the only one of them I've read was A Fire Upon the Deep, which I have to confess I DNFed a third of the way through... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295434; The woman who ran the publisher whose imprint put out this anthology, Tammy Perron, apparently was a crook who didn't pay most of the authors or even give some of them copies which is detailed in the link from Absolute Write that I added some time ago. In September 2023 some mysterious person uploaded a copy on Archive.org and it was finally added a few weeks ago (I stumbled on it completely by accident) so I've added a link in a PENDING edit along with the price and the stories' numbers. Maybe it was one of the authors using their own copy because this seems a very rare book with WorldCat not finding any copies; there's only 1 sad review on Goodreads where one of the authors crows about having a story in it...little did he know. According to ISFDB only 3 of the 20 stories have been reprinted since it came out nearly two decades ago so if anyone was interested in reading it you should do so because you never know if old Tammy may crawl out of the woodwork to have it taken down. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:55, 2 March 2024 (EST)
  
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== Adam L. G. Nevill canonical name ==
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:* ...the "Heaven Belt" stories are linked to the "Zones of Thought" series created and written by my former husband (and still friend), Vernor Vinge.
 
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: I would turn the two series into sub-series of a super-series. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:12, 10 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Thanks - I've created [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69884 an unimaginatively named superseries] with some brief extracts from that letter, and a link to it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:13, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== We Are All Legends ==
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I think it is time to swap the canonical name [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?134040 here] to Adam L. G. Nevill. Any objections? [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661090; My note is in addition to notes that other editors wrote for the other 2 editions on ISFDB. I assume ISFDB rules state that this should be a collection as opposed to a novel even though it's called a novel on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)
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: We have 8 book-length works as by {{A|Adam Nevill}} and 8 book titles as by {{A|Adam L. G. Nevill}}. All books published over the last 5 years have appeared exclusively as by "Adam L. G. Nevill". SHORTFICTION: 8 as by "Adam Nevill" and 27 as by "Adam L. G. Nevill".
  
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== Trek: The Lost Years ==
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: Given the numbers and the timeline, I think it's fair to say that "Adam L. G. Nevill" is the most recognizable form of his name within the genre as of 2024. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:19, 4 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661789; James Van Hise is on title page regardless of what cover and Archive.org note writer says, so what's the procedure? Shouldn't it say James Van Hise (in error) and variant to Edward Gross? Assuming, of course, that Van Hise didn't actually write it. EDIT: Cover artist has an extensive record without their middle initial; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?133578. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)
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== The Under-People ==
  
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== RWH ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3046564; https://archive.org/search?query=the-under-people&sort=-addeddate; No reason for this to be here, it's one of dozens of junk science "non-fiction" books by Norman/Steiger published back in the day. I think it should be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:52, 4 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?175902; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58684; Someone added link to one of Hedge's poems years ago so I just added link to the other poem even though 1990s Nightscapes issues are somehow still online and not hard to find; however, I think this is a pseudonym for Ron Goulart because that essay (not short fiction as ISFDB calls it) from F&SF is clearly a fake bio. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662212; I found another poem by "Hedge" hiding in that HPL issue. This page, http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS04/hplindex.htm, lists all the letters and other stuff that The FictionMags Index didn't list in case anyone thinks those need entering. The date is fishy, too, because it was published in October judging by the production dates but it's called "April-October". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Collection contents question ==
  
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When adding contents to a collection which is authored using a variant name, if there is no indication to the contrary, should all the content titles be attributed to the variant author name and then be made a variant of the canonical author name titles if they do not exist? Example: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?804222 The Witching Hour]. The collection author is James Gunn. The copyright page shows the content copyrights as by James Gunn. The included content titles only exist as by the canonical name James E. Gunn. Should these be changed to being authored by James Gunn and then made into variants? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 09:28, 5 March 2024 (EST)
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: Yes. Remove the three fiction titles, add the three new titles and variant to the canonicals. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:57, 5 March 2024 (EST)
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::Done. Thanks.[[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 11:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395035; Title is wrong, it's Lost Cities, note makes no sense with the dates vs. book date, non-genre series book with many other Lost Cities volumes, only here because of review, delete? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 11 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Hautala Covers ==
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:Book deleted. Review turned into an essay. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::I just fixed a short story in Sargent's record, turning it into an essay; I think it was this one so mistake was made when entering, I guess. I also added a few more story and poem links and think that I've done pretty much all there is to be done with him for now, at least until someone uploads one of his hard-to-find books, which will probably open a can of worms because I see at least one problem with 2 of his stories probably being the same but one having a subtitle in his collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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I was entering edits for Rick Hautala books, found Jacobus signature on Moon Walker so Tim Jacobus was entered as the artist; Little Brothers, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20465, has a name or initials on the lower right, can anyone find out who that is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:45, 5 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649674; Someone familiar with the foreign editions, tell us which cover Hoffmann really did. SFE, as so often before, has wrong info, but it was obviously wrong anyway because it's a tinted photo of Adolf H. who didn't come to power until long after Hoffmann died. I tried to explain that in my note but it didn't help. So when someone identifies which cover is his this can be un-rejected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:53, 11 May 2023 (EDT)
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== ISFDB Server downtime -- 2024-03-06 at 6pm ==
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:I see JLaTondre just updated the book with notes and mentioned the Hoffmann credit that's on the flap; however, this can't possibly be the Hoffmann on ISFDB because he died decades before Hitler came to power and so clearly isn't the artist here, especially since it's just a photo, anyway. So either book has wrong info or there's someone else with the same name who's responsible. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:07, 14 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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== Investigations of Avram Davidson ==
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-03-06 between 6:00pm and 6:15pm EST. Both the database and the Wiki will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:13, 6 March 2024 (EST)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663113; Fixed this up but there's another record, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35403, which has an award nomination, so I think the award should probably be moved to the record I just edited and the other record deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 12 May 2023 (EDT)
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 6 March 2024 (EST)
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== Simulacrum ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27454; I just had author image approved and noticed that short story is likely not by the artist because he died several years earlier. There's also an alternate name for the story which was also an alternate name for a few interior pieces by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:32, 12 May 2023 (EDT)
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Tonight I accidentally ended up on the archived SpecFicWorld site which used to be a major hub of speculative fiction but seems to have entirely disappeared from the modern web (whatever you do, don't type specficworld.com on Google and click the link whose description is "Daftar Situs Agen Judi Slot Online Terpercaya Resmi 2023"; that will NOT lead you to what you're looking for). Only issue #9 of Simulacrum, edited and published by the guy who ran the site, Doyle Eldon Wilmoth, Jr., has an archived PDF link but while searching, as I usually do, for random text from an archived story on Google to try and find out if there are any modern sites that still include it I got one hit, the late Tanith Lee's site daughterofthenight.com, because that issue included a reprint of a story by her from Interzone Magazine. That led me to this, https://archive.org/details/@zatoichi01?query=simulacrum&sort=title, which, according to Galactic Central, is the entire 14-issue run. I rarely enter magazines but any self-moderators who don't have to wait for approval can probably do these quickly without much trouble since the contents are a mixture of reprints which will need importing and originals (or at least they're not on this site). There are many well-known authors and artists included. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:59, 7 March 2024 (EST)
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: The publisher's website and the title verso of the publication containing the story agree the authors name is Jeff Stewart, not John Stewart. I'm hoping it's this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131106 Jeff Stewart]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)
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:I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:48, 8 March 2024 (EST)
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:I have through issue 10 entered. I'll finish up with the remaining four later. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:35, 8 March 2024 (EST)
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:I've entered all 14 issues now. You can see them [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?72797 here]. I did not combine the years into editor series because there are only 14 issues so leaving them all separate makes it easier to get to them (one less click-through). ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 18:32, 12 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663571; Death date very different, mother's name slightly different, verification needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 12 May 2023 (EDT)
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Last time I changed something in ISFDB it took days to get a single non-controversial change accepted with hundreds of pending changes. Now it takes weeks with thousands of pending changes. When looking a the recent changes I see lots of self acceptance and accepted automatic changes, but only little moderator activity.
  
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Remembering that it takes at least 4 or 5 rounds to add all information for a translated book that amounts to waiting multiple months for a single book.
  
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If you don't want contributors anymore then say so clearly! ATM I'd wonder if you find people sticking with ISFDB for a longer time with that situation.
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:I think I must have put this in the wrong discussion group so I just copied this to Rules & Standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:54, 22 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Harry O ==
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To give you an indication how this should go: I added a new word to Wiktionary, it took 4 minutes for first reaction and 1:15 to reach the final entry.
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273603; I randomly came across a non-fiction book by R. Matheson, Mediums Rare, that was never entered here but after doing so it said Harry O. Morris was a disambiguated name because of that 1 wrongly-entered cover credit; do I have permission to merge with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282130, since PV with wacky name never responds to any messages sent to them on their page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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: Longer approval times have definitely been a problem lately. Currently we have 1976 pending submissions, 1137 of them by [[User:Username]] (many are straightforward additions of archive.org links to publication records), 124 by [[User:Fixer]] (a robot account) and the remaining 715 are by other editors.
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:I merged them. That was an obvious error (entering the cover illustrator & interior designer and labeling them with their roles). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:47, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Crispino Cover ==
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: That said, the ISFDB editing process is very different from what Wikipedia and its offshoot projects use. The latter are much easier to edit, but the quality of the end product varies tremendously. I wrote/rewrote dozens of Wikipedia articles in the mid-2000s, but eventually concluded that trying to keep articles accurate and coherent was going to be prohibitively time-consuming. I occasionally peek to see what has happened to them and their current state is pretty bad. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks is full of confused nonsense.
  
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https://fantlab.ru/art9850; Says he's Italian but credits on ISFDB are for German books, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?244341; cover on FantLab is the same as this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?603133. Also, the note on FantLab about the artist (RIGHT-CLICK AND CLICK TRANSLATE TO ENGLISH), if I understand it correctly, says he's wrongly credited as D. Crispino in that book. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:33, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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: We added the ability to self-approve a few years ago and we are slowly expanding the number of editors who can do so. Hopefully it will help matters going forward. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:56, 8 March 2024 (EST)
  
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== Martin H. ==
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:: Well, my request to do so was simply ignored. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:10, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=martin+hof&type=Name; I think the 2 German artists are the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: Nominations require support from other editors/moderators before they can be approved. If a nomination doesn't gain enough support, it is not approved. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
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:There is an English artist, a German artist, and a German essayist. If you question the credit on any of these, they all have active verifiers whom you can ask to double check. Otherwise, you would need a source that shows any of these are the same person in order to create an alternate name. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:56, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== John Craig ==
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:::: Which is an endless loop. Because moderators don't care I want self-moderation. But for that I need moderators to care which they don't. An unreachable goal. --[[User:Stoecker|Stoecker]] ([[User talk:Stoecker|talk]]) 10:05, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?19264; None of those are by the guy who died before any of them were written/drawn, and likely none have anything to do with each other, although it's slightly possible the guy who wrote the stories wrote the essays, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:08, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Heide Oberheide ==
  
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== Tipped-In ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127989; I left a PV a note telling them that a T. Canty credit for Parke Godwin's novel Beloved Exile was actually by Oberheide so that will need fixing but another problem I found is that her page at The Paperback Palette says she was born in Canada in 1957, both very different than what ISFDB says. So does anyone know what the real info is? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)
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:Found [https://www.heritage.nf.ca/articles/arts/heidi-oberheide.php this] and [https://www.arts.wa.gov/artist-collection/?request=record;id=2193;type=701 this], which both agree on 1943 and Germany and have enough differences that neither seems to be the source for the other.  They both strike me as fairly authoritative, especially that first one. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 11:23, 10 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?815229; Book is 1920, preface is 1930, this page, http://wormwoodiana.blogspot.com/2016/01/the-revels-of-orsera-query.html, says it was tipped into leftover copies of the 1920 edition, link someone provided here to Harvard copy doesn't seem to have the preface, this copy does, https://archive.org/details/b29826123, what do you suggest? Add Archive.org link and mention preface in notes? Clone edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Tales of Terror ==
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:I would make a second pub, 1930, for the one on Archive.org, with that dated pre-TOC preface in the contents as the differentiator (note it also has a "By the same author" list not seen in the other copy, and the "v" number on the first TOC page no longer aligns with the physical page count).  The linked Harvard copy has the library's date stamp "Dec 6 1920", which pretty much guarantees it is an edition published before that date and can't possibly have a 1930 preface. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 07:51, 14 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== DW and the Genesis of the Daleks ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291626; I added a link to the back cover image on Bookscans in a PENDING edit and noticed there are some copies on eBay which show the first page, 5, with "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar" as a title, which means this shouldn't really be a novel but rather a collection of Poe stories adapted by Sudak. Does anyone own a copy who can verify the page numbers of the other stories so they can all be entered? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=dicks+daleks+pinnacle; According to edit history I added Archive.org link to Day last year although I have absolutely no recollection of doing so. However, the recently-uploaded Genesis is problematic; it says second printing, May 1982 with a $1.95 price but the only ISFDB edition with that price says 1-1981 and the 1982 edition is $2.50. So someone who knows the complex history of these Who books can add the link if they can decide which edition it belongs to. I assume it should be the 1981 because that has the right ISBN in which case the date would need changing, but then the 1982 would need a new date because it's a third printing. There's no note in 1983 that it's a fourth printing, either (and no price), although there is for the fifth and sixth printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 14 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Cover artist data entry rules updated ==
  
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== French Dark Channel ==
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Please note that the "Artist" section of [[Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt]] has been updated to reflect current practices. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:02, 14 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=garton+alliance; I've been doing a lot of Ray Garton edits and came across this in case anyone wants to enter a French edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
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== The Message ==
  
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== Ronald Fraser Art ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1471825; Obscure author and publisher but not obscure enough that it didn't get a Chinese translation, https://archive.org/search?query=brockman-robin&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that; just don't title it The MASSAGE like the uploader did. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:37, 14 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666000; Unusual last name of artist, he's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?373087, Desert title page photo online says E. while signature can't be found on Flower Phantoms cover but few online mentions use Eric; I also added a link to Fraser's Landscape With Figures and the artist there is also on ISFDB twice, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lucchesi&type=Name, with 1 cover clearly signed E. and the other Edmund. So I mention these things in case after approval someone decides which names are parents and wants to variant the other ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
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== YouTube audiobooks in or out? ==
  
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== Saga Press Dates ==
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I've placed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5852793 this submission] on hold because I'm unsure if YouTube audiobooks should be included here since they are generally not downloadable (instead being streamed). The [[ISFDB:Policy#Rules of Acquisition|rules]] include audiobooks, but also exclude "[w]orks published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" (which is pretty much what a YouTube video is), and they say nothing about podcasts. Thoughts? Should this be a [[RS|Rules and standards]] discussion? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:42, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
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: They are out under the exclusion as they are not downloadable. However we need to extend the Audio-book section of the inclusion section to match the ebooks/electronic publication one above it a bit - especially around podcasts which are not considered magazines for example. So maybe starting a discussion to clarify what audio-materials we want to index is the best choice (while keeping that one on hold until we decide what we want to do) :). [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:09, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
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::Okay, moved it [[ISFDB:RS#Clarifying the Audiobooks entry|over there]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:33, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576157; I just did an edit adding Archive.org link to this; I don't often deal with such recent books so I'm not familiar with Saga but is it normal for their print books to have one date, in this case 0816, on the flap and another date, in this case November 2016, on the copyright page? One of the bios at the back says a book from one of the authors "will appear in August 2016". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Barcodes with prices hiding in plain sight ==
  
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== E. Gornall ==
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A lot of printed books have prices on their back covers hiding in plain sight. If you look at a barcode on the back cover, next to the ISBN, usually over the smaller barcode next to the ISBN one, there is a number sequence - for example 51595 or 51699. That means $15.95 / $16.99 (5 is the code for $, the rest is the price). The first example is from a book I pulled from my shelf (not genre), the second is from [https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0982095031 an Amazon book]. As back covers are very often visible in Amazon (separately or as part of Look Inside), that may help with adding prices (with an appropriate note) even when Amazon and other retailer have their own ideas on what the price may be (or at the very least it can serve as a confirmation for the Amazon price). It is not there for all books (90000 is a very common code up there) but for the books that have it, it is as good as the old printed prices.  
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gornall&type=Name; While adding some M. John Harrison edits I was going to add a link to Ice Monkey but it was already there via RTrace last year, but I noticed artist Eddie Gornall is also on ISFDB as Eddi; PV of that book, Jlassen (Jeremy Lassen?) is gone and never responded to any messages, copy on eBay shows everything except back flap where I assume cover credit is, and Archive.org copy of Ice Monkey is coverless. I can't get a handle online about what his real name was so if anyone knows they can variant one to the other, assuming they're really spelled differently. Being older fantasy books I assume some people on here have their own copies they can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
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I propose to add this tidbit of information to the [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:Price Price field help]. Meanwhile, I am leaving it here for information :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:21, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Zombie Apocalypse ==
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:Good idea to add this to the Help. I have sometimes used this for prices. You might like to expand the note to explain other currencies. The smaller 5 digit barcode is the supplementary section of the barcode and contains a EAN-5 code. The first of the five digits is a currency code. If the first digit is 9, that means the supplementary section does not contain price information. It's explained in [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EAN-5 this Wikipedia article]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:28, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
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:: Yep - we should add all the codes when we are adding the note to the help page. Thanks for the link to the Wiki page - I knew it was there, I did not think to look it up earlier today :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:41, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36612; I made a bunch of edits to a few of the anthologies; I'll just mention that they don't really say "Mammoth Book of" on US title pages, just on the cover, so there's really no variant titles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: I agree that adding a section about EAN-5 codes to [[Template:PublicationFields:Price]] would be useful. We could list  the commonly used first digits:
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::: and explain special pseudo-price values, i.e. that "9999" means "100.00 or more" while "90000" means "no price given". We could then link to the Wikipedia article or an industry Web page for other scenarios. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Jagendorf ==
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== Webzines to include? ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666413; "Demon and the Rabbi" was the only title I couldn't fix, appearing in one of Helen Hoke's anthologies (one of several by him in her books) as M. A., in his collection as Moritz A., and ISFDB saying it first appeared in 1968 somewhere under some unknown name; anthology says it comes from his collection Ghostly Folktales (not on ISFDB) but gives no date. So take a look at that after approval if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
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Hello. I have two new pub submissions on hold as they pertain to new webzine entries. Do we want to include these?
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* Small World City: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5776649], [https://smallworldcity.com/ website].
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* Kalpabishwa: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5884972], [https://www.kalpabiswa.in/ website].
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Looking through the contents, I say we can include those. Not sure how long-lived these are going to be though... Comments/suggestions from other editors & moderators whether to include or not? (didn't look for past discussion where webzine inclusions were debated...) [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
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: Both produce issues and both are genre -zines. So they are eligible under the "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." rule. How long they survive is irrelevant - even if they produce a single issue, they are in. However, these records will need some massaging post approval :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:41, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
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:: Thought so. The help text says to post and query the editor community - we may want to update that and instead clarify that if a webzine has distinct issues, it is in by default? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 16:09, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
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::: Probably an oversight (we forgot it was there?) after we changed the ROA awhile back to include these. Which of the help pages?
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::: PS: Note that awhile back we even dropped the requirement for the webzine to be genre allowing non-genre ones to be added as any other non-genre periodical (with only genre contents indexed). So yep - a webzine with issues is always in under the genre magazine rules or the non-genre periodical ones. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 16:22, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:NewPub#Format Here] - see '''webzine''' in that section. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: Ah, the one place I did not look at. :) Yep - that needs an update. I will start a discussion so we can get the language crafted. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions#Formats_help_pages Here we go] - the proposed new language. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:26, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::: [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition Rules of Acquisition] has it as you mention above - we may want to add non-genre periodicals role there explicitly. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: We do not have them called out in the print periodicals section either but if you think we should clarify that across the board, I won't object. Let's finish the audio-formats discussion we are currently having about changes in the same section of the ROA over in R&S and then I will initiate a discussion about this. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::: As an aside, I must say that I couldn't find the ROA immediately - I think it is an important section of the rules. Shouldn't we be adding a link on the main help page? [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::: I know to look under Policy but you are right, it needs to be a lot more visible [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page here] - either as a sublink under the ISFDB Policy link or on its own in the same section. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::::::I've added a specific link to it on [[Help:Contents]], which is found at the top of most help pages. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:18, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Hoke Horrors ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654666; I've made another edit simply adding the Archive.org link, but someone more versed than I in technical stuff can help explain what should be done with this. SBN is for Brits, ISBN is for Americans, why SBN gets no hits I have no idea but that's clearly the number on the copyright page. Why did Helen Hoke have to edit so MANY books and why did the American publishers change so much but not change other stuff and confuse everybody? A good assignment for someone with a lot of patience would be to go through her entire ISFDB list and double-check everything; they re-used British covers for American editions sometimes but other times they were completely different, both editions of each anthology would need to be seen side-by-side to verify if the Bill Prosser illustrations are the same between editions, British spelling of certain words in story titles that may or may not have been used for American titles, multiple printings of certain books of which very few have been entered here, etc. Someone keeps uploading ex-library copies on Archive.org but the titles of some of her books are so similar it's hard to keep track of them or remember if I added links or not. On a side note I discovered that at least a few of her books were part of a pub. series called Terrific Triples but that's only mentioned on their copyright pages; I have a couple of pending edits adding the series but hell if I can remember which ones they were; many more out there, it seems, some for her many non-genre books not on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:46, 17 May 2023 (EDT)
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The [[ISFDB:Verification requests]] board is not used much anymore. It seems [[ISFDB:Help desk]] and this board have pretty much supplanted it. Do we want to discontinue it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:17, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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: How about we can turn it into a broader board instead: "Assistance needed/Project Assistance Required/Something along these lines" for example - when an editor starts a project and notices other things that need adding/fixing or finds a source that may be useful and is unable/unwilling to work through it, they can request assistance there. Looking at CS, about half of the posts there in the last couple of years are from that nature and they choke the actual discussion threads and make it very hard for people to notice that something was posted in the discussions. It will be the counter-part of the Help Desk - come to the Help Desk if you want help getting the work done and learning how to do it; come to this board to post a project that needs work but you cannot/don't want to work on. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:59, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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::I'd be fine with that. I agree this board has gotten rather full lately, making it hard to keep track of things. So maybe change the title to [[ISFDB:Assistance requests]] or something? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:11, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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::: I like the idea. "Assistance requests" may be a bit too narrow for what we are trying to define, but it's the closest that I can think of at the moment. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:46, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::: I like "Assistance Requests". If we ever come up with a better name, we can rename and forward. And we have the text under it to add a sentence that describes the scope better. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:53, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
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:::::: I think that there is potential for confusion between "Help desk" and "Help Wanted". Ideally, whatever name we come up with should clearly differentiate between the two boards. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:08, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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:::::::Maybe "Research Requests" or "Research Assistance"? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:45, 24 March 2024 (EDT)
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::If that was related to the many messages by Alvonruff lately, what is the hoped-for outcome of his behind-the-scenes work? Will it improve anything on our, the editors, end? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 17 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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:::::::: I like "Research Assistance". [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:13, 24 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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(unindent) Are there any objections to changing [[ISFDB:Verification requests]] to [[Research Assistance]]? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:12, 4 April 2024 (EDT)
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: I'm okay with that. [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 06:10, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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:: If there are no objections, I will ask Nihonjoe to make the change tomorrow. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:50, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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:::De we want it to be [[ISFDB:Research Assistance]] to [[Research Assistance]]? The other can be a redirect. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:54, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54005; Chris J entered all issues on ISFDB but there are several missing; this page, https://web.archive.org/web/19990224223357/http://www.etext.org/Zines/Quanta/issues.html, seems to have all of them, in case Chris is still around and wants to finish them or someone else is interested. I noticed this because the serial by Vassilakos is missing several parts on ISFDB (it also says 17 parts but archived page ends at 16 so that's odd). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:16, 17 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::: Probably [[ISFDB:Research Assistance]] in order to stay consistent with the majority of other "major" pages. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:05, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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:He's still around because he just made a ton of edits adding/fixing stuff. Thanks. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:25, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::: Since there are no objections, please feel free to go ahead and move [[ISFDB:Verification requests]] to [[ISFDB:Research Assistance]] when you get a chance. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:45, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://archive.org/details/whodunnit0000radn; I came across this randomly, seems to be a murder mystery anthology but some of those titles (especially "A Curse on the Pharaoh's Rod", hee hee) sound like they could be genre. Anyway, a Who is on the cover so that may push it over the line. Older Brits here may have read this in their youth and remember details. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::::Moved! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:31, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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::::::: Thanks! I have updated the main Wiki page and everything looks good. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:37, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::::: The Description up in the panel at the top of all the community boards still say "Help with bibliographic, image credit, and other questions which require a physical check of the work in question.". [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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::::::::: Updated, thanks! The new wording is "Help with bibliographic projects", which is a bit bland and non-specific, but I couldn't think of a better way to summarize the purpose of the new board. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:49, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Non-Genre Stories ==
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== Jim/James Burns ==
  
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After recently printing contents not available elsewhere (which is most of them) from the 1935 British anthology My Grimmest Nightmare at a local library I've finally started reading them and discovered that several are non-genre so I've been marking those and giving brief synopses. This is a common issue here with collections/anthologies both old and new; I think it would be helpful if editors who come across non-genre stories mark them and write a synopsis so people will know which are genre and which aren't. I also want to mention that this anthology is nuts. I read the rare A. Blackwood story long before the others and it was pretty creepy, as expected, but besides the several ghost stories there are a philosophical discussion of the afterlife with what seems to be an atheistic ending (probably raised a few eyebrows back then), a slice-of-life about a sad old guy in a top hat who gets hit by a bus, an account of 2 hikers lost in the mountains that seems like it strayed in from National Geographic, a shopkeeper who apparently gets punished because he didn't donate enough money to charity, and my favorite, a jungle tale of an explorer who encounters spiders, were-hyenas, and a giant half-spider/half-were-hyena which ends with what I think was meant to be a nasty joke about his bride-to-be's looks (no #MeToo in 1935). Least favorite so far? Probably the one about the guy who likes SOS messages on the radio and decides to visit some old guy looking for his long-lost son; the old guy's Irish maid is drawn so broadly I'm surprised she wasn't chewing on a potato when she answered the door. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
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I just added a link and did a few other things for the 33rd YBSF edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2012677, and searched for others with James Burns as cover artist; only 34th came up, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2209443, but as can be seen PV of TP and HC entered it differently. So maybe consensus about which is "better" should be reached and credits merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 27 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Reginald-3 ==
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== Lovecraft Collaborations Book ==
  
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I got a sudden urge to know what is entailed when someone makes a Reginald-3 verification, I think it's called. I know RTrace does a ton of them and I see a few others doing it occasionally, but where do you go to check that and what exactly is it? Maybe I'll try some. Are secondary verifications considered something important here or do people just do them because they want to? Does anyone find them useful? Are there any rare ones people have been looking for? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:08, 18 May 2023 (EDT)
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I was starting to add the audio book edition of {{T|2610309|this title}} and discovered that publisher has provided a copy of the pdf version of the book.  While we don't have a record for the pdf (it has a different ISBN than the eBook), there are several discrepancies between it and our records.  I also have questions other questions about how this title is reflected and while none of the publications are primarily verified, there have been several editors who have touched these records. I thought I'd reach out for comments before proceeding with changes.
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:When you're viewing a publication page, click on "Reginald-3" in the Secondary Verifications section and it will take you to [[Reference:Reginald3|this page]]. It's a big case-bound book that has tons of author, titles, awards, and such in it. It's a very useful thing to have , but only for works published between 1975-1991. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 00:09, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
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# We have the title as an ANTHOLOGY and list both the editor and Lovecraft. All the stories are credited to Lovecraft with various co-authors. Personally, I feel that these sorts of collection of collaborations are better typed as COLLECTION as was done with {{T|34634|this title}}.
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::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4975; Did it for Seth Pfefferle's 2 books since I entered 1 of them early last year. Is this something people have been doing since 2006 when public editing started here or is it recent? Because it seems weird that those books had never been verified before someone like me did them. Are there, like, tens of thousands of books still not verified or have most of them been done already? What's the criteria for not verifying something in that book? Is it known to have lots of mistakes? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:32, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
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# The title page lists the credits as "By H.P. Lovecraft" over "Edited and Annotated by Finn J.D. John" in smaller type.  We have both names in the author field.  Since we have this as an ANTHOLOGY, this labels them both as "Editors".  Lovecraft clearly didn't edit this book. As I feel this should be listed as a COLLECTION, I also feel that only Lovecraft should be listed in the author field. If the consensus is that it's an ANTHOLOGY, then we only list John.
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:::It's generally considered reliable, but unless you have access to the book (Reginald-3) itself, you shouldn't be verifying anything with it. It's got around 1500 pages (if I'm remembering correctly), and it's always possible it's missed some books that were published in that period. However, for the books it does have, it's considered very accurate. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
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# The stories are listed with both Lovecraft and his co-author on their title pages, whereas we have them all listed by the collaborating author alone. So I intend to swap out which variant of these titles is included. I don't thin this is controversial.
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::::It's easy to verify with it because I'm using the Archive.org copy that I added a link to 6 months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
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# There is a short essay before each section giving biographical details of each co-author.  I intend to add these. While not signed, I think we can safely attribute them to John by virtue of his annotation credit.
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:::::Awesome! Have fun adding the verifications. I don't think those even require a moderator to approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
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#The PDF lists 5 different formats each with their own ISBN including the "Interactive PDF".  Should we add the PDF as a separate title record, or should the PDF ISBN be added in the notes for the {{P|765112|ebook}} edition?  I'll also note, that my understanding is that we do list page numbers for pdfs whereas we do not for ebooks.
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::::::Honestly, as soon as I added those 2 verifications I lost all interest. Half the "fun" of editing here, for me, is waiting for a mod to look at my edits and then decide whether to approve them (50,000 and counting, in the top half-dozen all-time for a non-mod/non-self-approver and the only one who still edits regularly except for "Fixer" which is a robot and doesn't really count), especially when they claim something was wrong when it actually wasn't and then think they can argue with me. If I'm lucky sometimes they even apologize when they find out they made a mistake. Doing Reginald seems entirely pointless if there's no approval needed. I only mention my adding the link so that others here who actually want to verify those ID know that the book is readily available. It seems to me that one of the computer geniuses who are on this site should have figured out a way by now to trawl the book and automatically add ID to all books that don't have them yet, but maybe it's not easy/possible to do. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:23, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
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# I'm fairly comfortable that these changes should apply to the 2018 publications based on the 2018 pdf. I'm less certain whether I should make changes to the 2017 edition, or the 2019 omnibus, i.e should we assume the story credits and biographical essays are present in the other editions not listed in the pdf?
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# I assume adding a note about the PDF being included with the audio book is sufficient rather than duplicating the contents showing the story exists twice (audio and text).
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I'd appreciate other's thoughts on these questions.  Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:29, 28 March 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Adventures Of The Adventurers' Club ==
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:My mild opinion is that both this and the example you cited should be ANTHOLOGY.  They are different from the case where most of the stories are written by Lovecraft alone, with one or two written by him and someone else.  While both are Locvecraft-centric, they are primarily showcasing the work of a wide variety of authors.  I agree with everything else in your list. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 19:55, 31 March 2024 (EDT)
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::I'm afraid I would still prefer these as COLLECTIONs.  If we were to convert them to ANTHOLOGY, we would need to list the editor as the sole author which would move these collections out of Lovecraft's bibliography.  I had only cited one example, but there are many similar collections, many of which are verified.  For example, see which collections containing the story {{T|1035316|The Green Meadow}}.  It is contained in two true anthologies.  Aside from the 4 editions of the title we're discussing, there is but one other {{P|848648|publication} typed as a ANTHOLOGY. All other publications were entered as COLLECTION or OMNIBUS.  In some of these cases, we don't necessarily have the editor and would likely need to move these titles to the uncredited bibliography page instead of Lovecraft's.  {{P|280465|Beyond the Wall of Sleep}} is another interesting example.  There about 10 "collaborations" in this collection which is a minority, but it is more than one or two stories. If we decide to type these sorts of books as ANTHOLOGY, where would we draw that line?  My last point is that it appears to me that these books are published to appear as Lovecraft collections with his name listed more prominently than any editors (if they are listed at all).  If we are to reclassify these publication, I'd like to hear from some of the other verifiers.  Thanks.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 19:23, 1 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::Since there have been no further responses to this, and the one objection was "mild", I'm going to proceed with these changes.  Thanks.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 12:34, 13 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669128; https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9339400; I think the edition on ISFDB should really be paperback because of the cover and price; Stanford copy linked above is clearly hardcover and notice that it doesn't mention drawing on title page like Archive.org copy does. So what do you think? Change to PB and maybe clone a HC edition with Stanford link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
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== "Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches" enhanced ==
  
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== Phenix ==
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As per the recent Rules and Standards discussion, the cleanup report "Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches" has been enhanced to require an exact match between publication titles and their reference title records' titles. New data will become available tomorrow morning.
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669692; Story seems never to have been reprinted in English but it was in a French gaming magazine for some reason, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?39139, https://www.amazon.com/Phenix-n45-magic-jeux-role/dp/2871535426, in case anyone wants to enter it. I'm guessing there's more translated stories in the other missing issues. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:19, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
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We are looking at around 10,000 mismatches, so the cleanup effort will be significant, especially considering the fact that many affected publication records have been primary-verified. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 17:07, 4 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== French Potter ==
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== Canonical name change Charles Eugene Anderson from Chuck Anderson ==
  
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https://www.google.com/search?q=potter+scalehunter+ebay; I just added an Archive.org link to Scalehunter in a pending edit and I don't see that art so I don't know if it's in a limited edition or what but I noticed it's also here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?727762; French cover art should be a variant, I think. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:46, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
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Any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?273059 Charles Eugene Anderson] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?108390 Chuck Anderson] the alternate?
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*17 titles credited to Charles Eugene Anderson.
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Thanks, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:51, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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: Go ahead, obvious case where the switch can/need to happen [[User:MagicUnk|MagicUnk]] ([[User talk:MagicUnk|talk]]) 09:28, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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:: Hearing no objections, done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:45, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== David (B.) Mattingly ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?8224; I've been adding links to copies of this series including several that are only Open Library non-preview and I noticed that editors over the years entered the title randomly with it being almost evenly divided between commas after Future or not. So a standard should really be decided on and titles fixed so they all match, although I think going by ISFDB rules they should all have a colon after Future, right? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:28, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
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Looking through the works credited to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?37498 Mattingly], it seems to me that "David Mattingly" is the most common (by far), and has been for a long time. There are so many entries, though, this opinion is based only on quickly scanning through the list. Is there a way to get a count of each through database queries? I don't think any of the other aliases are used in a significant amount. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:58, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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: Just with search and a browser search: 510 with the name David Mattingly; 747 under the canonical; 198 of these 747 of them are "only as by David Mattingly". Just based on that, how we record the names from secondary sources for artists and the fact that the new ones are always without the B. when we get access to the book, I would say it is time to flip the names. I am not volunteering to do it though. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:58, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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: The easiest way that I can think of is to run a few Advanced Title Searches using "Author's Name is exactly David Mattingly". Make sure to click "Get Count" instead of "Get Results". Here are the results that I see:
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: Since {{A|David B. Mattingly}} is the current canonical name, it's over-represented. Every "David Mattingly" COVERART/INTERIORART title has a "David B. Mattingly" parent title, but only some of the latter have actual publications associated with them. Firefox tells me that the Summary Bibliography page has:
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: What this means is that 339 canonical titles have only appeared under an alternate name. Another 87 have been credited at least 2 different ways. 339+87-12-7-1-1-2 is 403, which, unless I am missing something, gives us a rough count. I'd need to run database queries to get a better idea, but it looks like "David Mattingly" is slightly ahead of "David B. Mattingly".
  
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The company's website is a mess and they don't seem to announce anything. {{Unsigned2|14:35, May 20, 2023‎|Femmefan1946}}
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: P.S. Perhaps what we need is a new menu options to generate this kind of data on demand. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 19:03, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
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:They're likely all listed over on [https://firefly.fandom.com/wiki/Firefly_(comic_series) the Firefly Database]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Canonical name Amir Zand ==
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::That would be cool. Another cool thing would be if we could figure out a way to programatically automate the process of changing canonical names (maybe have a side menu link that appears whenever viewing an author entry). The link would take you to a page where you'd enter the current author ID and the target author ID. We'd have to account for variants on the author name, title variants, and translations (and probably a lot of other things that I'm not thinking of off the top of my head). For situations like this, it would save tons of time in the long run. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:37, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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There is an canonical author [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?284398 Amir Zand (San)] but only one title is credited to him. 10 titles are credited to his alternate name Amir Zand. Wouldn't it be useful to change the canonical name? --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:11, 20 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: This functionality has been requested a couple of times. Unfortunately, it would be very difficult to implement in a way that would guarantee completeness and accuracy. Not only would the software need to change the way VTs and Alternate Names are configured, but it would also need to change dates (for some titles) and Notes.
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: Go ahead and make the switch. Please add his [https://amirzand.art/ website] to the new canonical name. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:24, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: Perhaps we could implement something less ambitious but still useful. For example, "Undo all Variants for This Author"? [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:22, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
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:: Done. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 08:16, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::Yeah, it's definitely very complex. I like the "Undo all Variants for This Author" idea, though. What about a "swap canonical authors" option on individual titles? That would be a lot less complex and allow for easier catching of potential issues. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:48, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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::: Thanks! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 08:55, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::: I don't see the benefit of an "Undo all Variants for This Author" tool. A variant title only needs to be broken if both the canonical title and the variant tiles have publications attributed. If all the publication(s) are associated with the variant title, a simple merge is the best option. Not only does it save a step by not having to delete the old canonical, but it saves all the information. Some data is only stored in the "parent title", plus any edit history. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:38, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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:::: Next time, please do not use "'Make This Title a Variant' (breaking the relationship) and 'Delete This Tile (previous canonical) for titles only published under the previous alternate name. Use advanced search and then merge the two titles, paying attention to the radio buttons. Not only is this one edit instead of two, but will save the information from the previous canonical title record. Delete should always be your last option! [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 09:08, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
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::I'm slowly working through all of them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:42, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Fantasist Anthology ==
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:::I have completed moving all the records to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?1814 David Mattingly]. I think someone else was moving them, too, so thanks to them, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:32, 22 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670646; This book, even though it has a PV, had a lot of stuff missing/entered wrong, so after approval please take another look to make sure I caught everything or didn't make a few mistakes myself. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:21, 21 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::: Joe, thanks for sorting this out. I noticed [[User:Zapp|Zapp]] was helping you. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:38, 22 April 2024 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?40797+2012; I added image to Sparks; cover artist is obviously the same person for both books but spelled differently, Amazon previews don't reveal anything helpful, so if anyone knows a way to see how she's credited that can be fixed. Also, while looking for the publisher I saw there's another Earthbound, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?354536, which may or may not be the same, but there's a problem in that the book is called 3rd in a series but the first 2 on ISFDB were published years later by a different author. So that might be a mistake. EDIT: 1 of Mr. Lobe's books available and entered here by me, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5670781. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:57, 21 May 2023 (EDT)
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The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance between 2:00pm and 2:10pm. Both the database side and the Wiki side will be unavailable. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:28, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:05, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?66822; I'm sure there aren't many Matheson collections that don't have numbered contents here so I thought I'd found something special when I saw FantLab's page, https://fantlab.ru/edition117836, until I saw the note (RIGHT-CLICK to translate) which is kind of unclear. So if anyone has a copy maybe they can say what the numbers should be and enter them (unless someone understands what the FantLab writer was trying to say). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:18, 21 May 2023 (EDT)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934500; I have a question about the publisher of this 2007 Star Wars omnibus; there is no mention of Ballantine in the book so it should be similar to the last one on this list, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=del+rey&type=Publisher, but without the SFBC. Should I change publisher to LucasBooks / Del Rey? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:30, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
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:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934540; I changed publisher on this one since they were still with Ballantine in 2000. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:22, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
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::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934546; Another change from 2005 when they were still together. I don't see any cover artist credited that someone entered here or any sign of the excerpt mentioned on the book's copyright page. EDIT: One of the earlier editions has a note here saying they got artist from his site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:31, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934585; Another one from 2006; this one actually has a PV so I'll leave them a message. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:12, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::And a final one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934586, 2005 HC, PV is gone so no need for a note. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:18, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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Gollancz are putting out a new hc of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?39404 Tales from Earthsea] collection this week, and I noticed that a few places such as [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Amazon UK] and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Tales-Earthsea-Fifth-Book/dp/1399602411 Gollancz] are listing it as "The Fifth Book of Earthsea".  However, [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?4220 the series page here] has this collection unnumbered, with [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?21392 The Other Wind] as #5.  In turn, Amazon UK and Waterstones have The Other Wind listed as book 6 of the series.
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== Semaphore ==
  
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Now, I appreciate that the often crappy data that appears on retailer sites doesn't necessarily count for much when determining what gets recorded in ISFDB.  However, I do see that the Gateway ebooks of these titles - not currently recorded here, although I'll try to rectify that shortly - do have "The Fifth/Sixth Book of Earthsea" as subtitles on their title pages, which perhaps lends more weight to that numbering scheme? 
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https://www.lulu.com/fr/search?contributor=Marie+Hodgkinson; While adding PDF story links from Tartarus Press at their old freepages.pavilion.net site the last one I linked was a story by Rebecca Lloyd that was entered here as original to her 2014 collection but was actually published in 2007 in a magazine called Semaphore, no issues of which are on ISFDB, but I found that Lulu page above so anyone who likes entering magazines can add a lot from that. The editor has a page here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143960. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:41, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
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:https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/semaphoremagazine.com; PDF of some (all?) issues at this site. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:50, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
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::Looks like it has archived PDFs of all but the last issue (issue 15) from June 2011. I'll work on these. The first issue is now [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1002803 here]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:32, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::Okay, I think they're [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?73131 all entered] (15 issues in total). I also found a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?73148 couple anthologies] collecting the stories and poems voted best by readers of the magazine. I don't know if there were more than the two anthologies. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:33, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::Excellent. Only thing I think you forgot is June 2008's cover artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:07, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::Fixed! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:11, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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I've double checked my Orion UK tps of these, and neither has any such subtitle.  I also have the UK ebook of the collected Vess illustrated edition, and whilst I haven't spotted anything that explicitly says either book is numbered 5 or 6, there's an afterword that states (my emphases): "Here at last, for the first time, is Earthsea, in English, '''all together in the right order'''. .... The six books of Earthsea ... and in England one publisher calls it a quartet, and '''another reversed the order of the fifth and sixth books as if it didn't matter.'''"  This also makes me think that 5=Tales/6=Other Wind might be the more correct/author-approved numbering.
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== David Ireland ==
  
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(FWIW, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earthsea the Wikipedia page] doesn't number them; it does state "the fifth and last novel of the series, The Other Wind", but obviously that's qualified by "novel" rather than "book".)  [[Template:TitleFields:SeriesNum]] doesn't indicate anything about collections being treated differently to novels when it comes to series numbering.
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3106; I just made edits adding the Allen Lane HC of City of Women and adding a link to Mortal Fire where the 1982 short story is from and noticed that the Wiki page makes no mention of any art so I think the famed Australian novelist and the artist are 2 different people. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:28, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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Despite owning duplicate copies of these, I've never actually read any of them, so I don't have a dog in this fight, but wondering if there might be consensus for a change? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:58, 22 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Canonical name change Jody A. Lee from Jody Lee ==
  
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: I've read the first four novels so far only, so I can't comment on the contents of ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind''. But I own the {{P|678370|German edition of the collected Vess illustrated edition}}, which contains an introduction by Le Guin, written by her in 2016 and which should be {{T|2437124|this one}} in the English edition. In this introduction, she's mentions the "six Earthsea volumes" and explains, how ''Tales from Earthsea'' and ''The Other Wind'' came into life. She stresses that ''Tales from Earthsea'', "the fifth book" (!) has been treated as marginal, but, according to her, is essential for the series. As a result I'd say you are correct: 5=Tales/6=Other Wind. That's also the order the works are printed in the illustrated edition. Jens [[User:Hitspacebar|Hitspacebar]] ([[User talk:Hitspacebar|talk]]) 15:04, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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The [https://www.jodylee.org/ artist's website] and [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/lee_jody_a SFE] use Jody A. Lee. While the majority of her early work was credited to 'Jody Lee', the shift to 'Jody A. Lee' is clear. Here are the current statistics.
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:: Thanks - if I don't hear any objections, I'll do the 5/6 renumbering in a couple of days. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 13:14, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
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*111 titles credited to Jody A. Lee.
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*73 titles credited to Jody Lee.
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*26 titles hasve publications credited to each.
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Are there any objections to making [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25820 Jody A. Lee] the canonical name and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25602 Jody Lee] the alternate? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:24, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
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:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:41, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== BM ==
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:: No objections here. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:47, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5671406; https://www.amazon.com/Beastmaster-Myth-Richard-Knaak/dp/1439144176; I can just make out "51600" in archived copy's back cover barcode through the sticker but that Amazon page linked above has a much higher price but the same ISBN and look inside has the same number line, so if anyone knows if there were later printings or something let us know. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 22 May 2023 (EDT)
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::: Hearing no objections, done. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:47, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::https://ixgallery.com/artists/jodylee/; Here's her photo in case someone wants to upload it to the wiki. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:58, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::{{done}}Done! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:28, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Ayan(n)a Mathis ==
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== ISBN hyphenation changed ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=na+mathis&type=Name; I added a link to the Times supernatural issue and it is Ayana, but I can't get a clear idea of how Ayanna is credited or which is her real name because she's called both all over the web, plus a Christian website I came across congratulated her on getting married and changing her name from Ayanna Thomas. So does anyone know more about her? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:28, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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As I am sure most of you know, different publishers' ISBNs are hyphenated differently. Possible permutations include:
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* 978-1-64973-127-2
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* 978-1-9821-9317-1
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* 979-8-200-29585-2
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* 979-10-281-0150-3
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* 979-8-9856919-6-2
  
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: I have absolutely zero knowledge of this author or their works, but the impression I get from Google results (and the photos next to the various results) is that there are 2 different people, with the single-n one being an author who's the most likely candidate to be the one of interest here, based on [https://www.ayanamathis.com/ author website] and [https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/authors/155206/ayana-mathis/ publisher site].  The double-n one seems to be some sort of influencer/self help guru?
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"The International ISBN Agency" maintains [https://www.isbn-international.org/range_file_generation a list of rules] which determine in which positions hyphens are supposed to appear. Almost all publishers follow them, although there have been some exceptions, notably Tor prior to 2007.
  
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: The two titles associated with the double-n author name are from the same fairly recent PVed pub by Gzuckier, so I'll post on his page to look at this item. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:05, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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When ISFDB 2.0 was developed in 2004-2006, the rules -- as they existed back then -- were manually incorporated in the ISFDB software. What we didn't realize at the time was how complex the rules would become over the course of the following 20 years. As the number of publishers (and self-publishers) exploded, the International ISBN Agency had to create more and more rules to accommodate the growth and the ISBN handling part of the ISFDB software, which was last updated in 2010, fell hopelessly behind. The result was that many ISBNs were hyphenated incorrectly when displayed on ISFDB pages.
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::I'm looking at the Times archive online, and it looks like I misentered the recent review, and it should be Ayana. I'll change it. Thanks for the alert. [[User:Gzuckier|gzuckier]] ([[User talk:Gzuckier|talk]]) 23:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Ace Books / Ace Fantasy Books ==
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Earlier today I deployed a fairly big patch which changed the way the ISFDB software determines where hyphens are displayed. We now follow the International ISBN Agency's current rules to the letter. There is also a way to update our rules programmatically whenever the Agency rolls out new rules. I expect that we will be doing it a few times a year, which will let us stay more or less in sync with the Agency. (We also have special exceptions for Tor and the other 2 publishers which didn't follow the rules prior to 2007.)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?18305; All 3 Ace editions are on Archive.org so I added links but while they all say "Ace Fantasy Books" on title page only 1 edition says that here. There's over a hundred here as by that name so I just thought it was odd; I wonder how many other books here as by "Ace Books" are actually by the longer name and whether it would matter to anyone to fix those; did they officially change their name to the shorter version at some point after 1986? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:43, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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As always, if you come across any issues with this software change, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:07, 16 April 2024 (EDT)
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:Thanks for all your hard work behind the scenes on stuff like this. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:03, 16 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Pyramids ==
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:: To quote Damon Knight, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/To_Serve_Man_(The_Twilight_Zone) I am here to serve man!] :-) {{unsigned|Ahasuerus}}
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?697334; I was fixing a few Zebra Books from 1986 and on that should have had Kensington as part of the publisher; I got most of them except a few romance junk novels that were reprinted like a thousand times so I didn't even bother with those because I'm not even sure if they belong here. However, I was disturbed to discover afterwards that many of the old 70s-early 80s Zebra Books have Kensington as part of the publisher (?) I suspect I know who entered many of them so I will now start fixing those but the first one I looked at wasn't entered by that person but rather by Artisan, who I don't believe is around anymore. Not sure why it was accepted because the author is not above threshold in the slightest and this book is seventies paranormal "non-fiction" nonsense. So it should probably be deleted, but if not at least the regular date should be changed to March because editor mentioned that in their note but didn't actually make it so. EDIT: After further investigation I think, unlike Leisure Books and their later separate history with Dorchester, Zebra Books used Kensington even in their older books. So I think I've finished cleaning up (except for Death Screen, can't find info on that one) but this book still doesn't belong here, I believe. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 17:45, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Publication Title Without a Related Title Record ==
  
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== Italian Valancourt Edition ==
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I am about to create a new pub record under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1034 That Hideous Strength] by C. S. Lewis.  There is a subtitle on the title page so the full, correct publication title is: <i>That Hideous Strength: A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups</i>. Looking at the title record I see there are five publications (three of which have been PVd) with this subtitle. However, they do not have a related title record "That Hideous Strength: A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups" and consequently there is no varianting. Is this correct and if so why? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:42, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
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: It is not correct. The publication title should match the reference title. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?93 This report] highlights 1000 exceptions each day (I don't know the selection algorithm). First determine, subtitle or no subtitle, which should be the canonical? It's also a good idea to review the publications and make sure they are recorded correctly. Whichever you determine, it will be a multi-step edit. Ask if you have questions.  If I'm online, ping me and I'll approve as you submit. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 20:14, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
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::You have confirmed my suspicions. The cleanup report to which you refer does not include "That Hideous Strength" so I guess it's because it is limited to 1000 records. I'm happy to clean up this title. I'm satisfied that "That Hideous Strength" (without subtitle) is the more appropriate canonical title. I have inspected the five pub records with the subtitle and each looks internally consistent. Three of these have PVs. Do I need to consult with PVs or can this sort of housekeeping be performed without PVs' consent? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 12:42, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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::: It's not necessary to contact the PV's. You're merely correcting the reference title. I know you intend to perform all the steps and will indicate such in the note to moderator. I noticed this title wasn't on the report. Perhaps [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] will chime in and explain the algorithm determining which titles to report. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:45, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::First step submitted: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5944215 Unmerge titles]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 16:33, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::::Step 2 submitted: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5944273 merge the 5 reference titles of the subtitled version]. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 17:12, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::::::Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:17, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::::::Step 3 submitted: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5944284 make subtitled version a variant of canonical title].
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::::::::Think that's it for the pubs but I can see there's more work to do:
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::::::::A) These two pubs: [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?900677 Macmillan 1966] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?262760 Macmillan 1977] have the variant title but the same canonical coverart title records. So I'm pretty sure these need to be changed. The only way I can see to do this involves five more edits:
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::::::::Step 8) remove the canonical coverart record from the 1977 pub
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::::::::Is there a more efficient way to do this?
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::::::::B) Those same two pubs contain an essay [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?965984 Preface (That Hideous Strength)] which has a disambiguator under the canonical title. Does the disambiguator have to be changed to the variant title. I'm unsure about this because the phrase is only a disambiguator; it's not actually part of the title of the essay. Can you please advise.
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::::::::My goodness, this is long-winded! [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 18:11, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://archive.org/search?query=blackburn+beastly-business&sort=-addeddate; Italian price on back cover and notice on last page about being printed in Italy in 2022; does this require a separate record here or can I just add the link to the current edition? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:50, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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*Submission 1 - Add the new variant titles, COVERART and preface.
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*Submission 2 - Remove the canonicals.
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Since these submissions will generate change notices, reference this conversation in the note to moderator.
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After I approve all four, I'll perform the two merges. You will just need to link the variants. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:48, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== The Witch Book ==
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::Yes, I see where you're going with this. About the same number of edits but fewer Wait For Approval stages. Four edits submitted. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:12, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
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:::Approved, [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 07:22, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672915; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5672916; If anyone owns a copy or knows where one can be seen online most of the page numbers need entering and author/title verification is needed for most of the stories; also, I replaced the cover because new cover has the price sticker or whatever it is on the top corner but it's not a great image so if anyone can replace it with a better one with that sticker after my edits are approved that would be great. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:13, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::Two Make Variants submitted. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Macbeth ==
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:::::I've checked all the affected records and everything looks good to me apart from one error that must have been present before we started the cleanup: the date of the canonical title of the Preface ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5944959 correction submitted]). So I think we've finally reached the end. If there's anything I've missed, let me know. Many thanks for all your assistance with this John. Much appreciated. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 16:34, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?582305; Macbeth link leads to B. Coville version published many years after J. Blackburn review. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:53, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
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::::::Fortunately, there is a scan of the first edition in the internet archive. I added the preface and a link to the scan [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?87759 here]. As you know, the canonical is dated to the first appearance, even if it is as a variant. I put your submission on hold, assuming you would rather cancel than have me reject it. I enjoyed working on this with you. Ping me anytime. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:43, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
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::I've re-pointed the review to the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 09:59, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Alex Ebel ==
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:::::::Oh, that's interesting. It hadn't occurred to me to look for an archive of the first ed because I had looked in Currey who states the following regarding the first Pan pb (1955): 'adds new author's "preface"'. So it's possible that there are two different prefaces. This requires more research which I don't have time to do now and may not have the resources anyway. But it's fine to leave the ISFDb records as they are for now; they are all self consistent. I have cancelled my submission. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] ([[User talk:Teallach|talk]]) 04:46, 20 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?25577; Short story isn't by the artist who died years before it was published but this person, https://sites.google.com/view/alexsebel. The archived story link seems missing, however, so it's possible story header says "Alex S. Ebel" since that's the name in his site's URL. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:02, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Trademark markings in titles ==
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:Author separated from artist. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:56, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Bruce Campbell Biography ==
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My understanding is that we generally don't include symbols like ® and <sup>TM</sup> in titles because they usually indicate information ''about'' the title but are not usually ''part'' of the title. As JLaTondre [[ISFDB:Community Portal/Archive/Archive28#Shadowkeep|wrote in 2012]], "There is distinction between a title that has a '®' or 'TM' as part of the title and a title that adds the '®' or 'TM' for legal reasons." I'm asking because I ran across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2720942 this title] that has one as part of the title, and I don't think it's actually part of the title itself, but rather added for legal reasons. This might be something we should clarify on [[Help:Screen:Title]]. This was discussed [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive03#One_for_the_.22EXACT_title.2C_including_all_punctuation_and_special_characters.22_crowd way back in 2007], but I haven't yet found any more recent discussions (outside of the 2012 one I mentioned above). Thoughts? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:51, 23 April 2024 (EDT)
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:I'm the editor with the sole PV for that ebook pub. I have no objection to removing it since the trademark symbol really only applies to the "Liaden Universe" portion of the title. It is on the title page and cover that way. Clarification of the rule would be a good idea. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 13:44, 23 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662375 this submission] to add what looks like a biography of the actor Bruce Campbell.  I see that we have an earlier {{T|103703|biography}} already in the database, but it appears that it was added by virtue of being nominated for Stoker and IHG awards.  My sense is that the new book would not be in our scope, but I wanted to put the question out to the community first.  Thoughts?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 14:57, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Supermonsters ==
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:: Back in 2020 we [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Rules_and_standards_discussions/Archive/Archive18#Eligibility_of_NONFICTION_about_non-written_SF clarified the "Rules of Acquisition"] as follows:
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2600565; I added Supermonsters as a variant (and subbed a better cover image) but it's from 1986 like the German parent so if anyone can find a copyright page scan which verifies the month is earlier the American cover would become the parent; I couldn't find one, but I do see on eBay that Archway released a much earlier PB in Sep. '78 with a photo of the cool American-added demon from the 1950s film Night/Curse of the Demon on the cover but the 2 sellers that showed the copyright page have editions that say 1 2 9 8 below the printing info; whether that's a number line or what I don't know but if anyone owns a copy you may want to enter yours. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:47, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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::* ''Included'': Published non-fiction works ''about'' speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to ''published'' (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's ''published'' component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded.
 
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:: Since Bruce Campbell is an actor with no published speculative fiction credits, I think his biographies should be out unless they trigger some other condition. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:18, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:::Groovy. I will cancel my edit. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:33, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Graveyard Reader ==
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== Ray Daley possible death ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?45152; I just added a link in an edit to the anthology of the same title and judging by ID it was published April or May, but story is October which is when it next appeared. So I think it should either have month changed to 00 to match the anthology or anthology month should be changed to 04 or 05 if anyone can pinpoint date and then story month changed to that. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:53, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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It's possible [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?235688 Ray Daley] has died, though I haven't found an obituary or any other official report. He was in the hospital since the end of March due to a heart attack, and a number of people are posting condolences on an open call group on Facebook as well as on [https://www.facebook.com/raymond.daley.10/ his profile there]. I'll try to keep an eye on it and keep looking for an obituary or other official report. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:01, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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== Fugue XXIX ==
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== 日本SFファンドム賞 (Japan SF Fandom Award) entry completed ==
  
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?869505; Same editor entered both TP, I think, but one could probably be deleted because it has same ISBN as HC and was likely a mistake that didn't get erased, although it has cover artist and correct (?) page count unlike TP with unique ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:28, 24 May 2023 (EDT)
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It took me almost a year to do it (due to various things distracting me from it), but [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?105 it's done]. Please let me know if anyone has any questions. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:51, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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:Deleted. Locus1 lists the format as "hc", but with the "tp" ISBN. This was the source of the original record. I added notes to the other pubs to clarify the discrepancy. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:48, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Onyeama ==
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:And related, I've completed entering the recipients of the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?107 Takumi Shibano Award]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:42, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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https://vaultofevil.proboards.com/thread/8116/dillibe-onyeama; https://openlibrary.org/search/authors?q=dillibe+onyeama; 3 novels pictured on Vault seem genre, other titles on OL possible, no copies of any book by him on Archive.org except one with the N word which likely isn't genre, so an author that somehow was never added here, anyone own any copies? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:09, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Shadow People ==
  
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== S. B. Divya != Divya Srinivasan ==
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3356; Long-gone PV of C$ Dell ed. entered just "Jones" as artist here, one or the other should be decided on and the 2 merged. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 26 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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I don't believe [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?205470 the author/editor S. B. Divya aka Divya Breed] is the same person as [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?262086 the artist Divya Srinivasan].  Their photos - [https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/childrens/childrens-authors/article/87011-q-a-with-divya-srinivasan.html PW interview] for the artist - don't look like the same person to me, and their respective sites (sbdivya.com and pupae.com) don't make any reference to the works of the other person.  I can't see the edit history to know who to chase regarding why they were made as alternate names, maybe a moderator can take a look? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 19:56, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
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== [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?341005 Joshua T. Calvert] / [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?327917 Joshua Tree] ==
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: You want to talk with [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Dirk_P_Broer Dirk]. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:14, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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: PS: No moderator notes on this edit or on any of his other edits on both authors around the same time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 20:18, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: Thanks, have left a note on his page pointing here. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:33, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:I agree, they are not the same person. One was born in India (the science fiction author) and the other was born and raised in the United States (the artist, per the PW article). Based on that, I've separated them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:29, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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:: According to Wikipedia they ARE the same person: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S._B._Divya#:~:text=S.%20B.%20Divya%20is%20the%20pen,%2C%20through%20April%208%2C%202022. "S. B. Divya is the pen name of Divya Srinivasan Breed"].--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 17:02, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::: But Divya Srinivasan and Divya Srinivasan Breed can possibly be different people? Do we have a connection that establishes them as the same one?  [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:09, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675343; I made an edit with 3rd printing of Runtime, saw somewhere that obliquely mentioned eff-words.com, current site defaults to sbdivya.com so I added archived site which started nearly 10 years ago, it may offer old/new info removed from current site because there's nothing in archived bio about "My gender doesn’t conform to social standards" so other things may have been added/dropped over the years. There's a picture of her at the back of Runtime, also, with a short bio. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:20, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
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::::: I noticed the different places of birth and appended to the notes in both records.--[[User:Dirk P Broer|Dirk P Broer]] ([[User talk:Dirk P Broer|talk]]) 18:36, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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== Doctor Who 'nonfiction' vs Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who' ==
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Hi! Along with updating the author records I have brought the installing of the first name as a pseudonym for the second on the way (incl. the varianting to the respective original titles). This was based on the information given at the German Wikipedia, which discloses the pseudonym. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:31, 29 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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Anyone know there are two separate series? [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?16381 The former] has well over a hundred entries (including a few subseries), [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?54805 the latter] just three titles.
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: As a point of reference, Amazon.com uses the same author photo on the [https://www.amazon.com/stores/author/B08XK9QMC9 Joshua T. Calvert page] and the [https://www.amazon.com/stores/Joshua-Tree/author/B06Y2M9HT7 Joshua Tree page]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 29 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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The quotes around 'nonfiction' implied - to me at least - that it might be "in-universe" non-fiction like technical manuals, but it seems to me that it has just been used for anything that isn't conventional narrative fiction.
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:Okay, these have been varianted and everything is under [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?341005 this entry] now. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:52, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
  
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Any objections to moving everything from the smaller series into the bigger one, and removing the quotes around 'nonfiction'? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:19, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
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:: Checking [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/submission_search_results.cgi?submitter_name=Stonecreek&status=Pending Stonecreek's pending submissions] (moderator only), I see a number of Make Variant submissions which suggest that the books that we have on file were originally published in German as by "Joshua Tree". We'll presumably need to reverse the canonical/alternate name relationship, which should be easy to do since we have only 2 titles as by "Joshua Tree" at this time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 11:26, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
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: Looking at the history of the titles in the series, the smaller one (Nonfiction on 'Doctor Who') had been created and used by a single editor (Stonecreek) mostly moving the books from pre-existing other series (some of them later deleted, some of them still existing). You may want to ping him and see what he may have been thinking but considering that the edits are from years ago and he never bothered to do more (or to write ANY notes explaining what he was doing and what is to be used for what), that looks like something that should not have happened, especially without discussing with the community first. I think it is safe to move the 3 books back where they belong and delete the extra-series but ping him anyway in case he actually had a plan and a good explanation. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:38, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
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:::Okay, I've swapped the information and approved (I believe) all the related pending submissions. I'll work through the others in case there are more. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:18, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
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:: Thanks for digging.  I see from the edit histories of those three titles that there's also been "Doctor Who Reference Books" and "Doctor Who Non Fiction" in the past, so I'll wait for further feedback before making yet more changes. (Will also see if I can wrangle anything out of wiki search w.r.t. any prior discussion.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:49, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
 
  
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==Some new Japanese awards==
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:::: Thanks! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
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There are a few new Japanese awards I think out to be included here, so I'll group them under one heading to make it easier than a bunch of different sections. This will also allow us to learn the names of some of the Japanese fanzines out there, and therefore be able to find information on them and add them to the database here.
 
  
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===Nippon SF Fandom Award===
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::::: I have entered all English language "Joshua T. Calvert" pubs that Fixer was aware of and linked them to their "Joshua Tree" parents. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:21, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
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This award (日本SFファンドム賞) was given out from 1965-1969, then replaced by the Seiun Award. We have the latter in the database, but not the former. I'll be happy to enter the information for it. There aren't too many to list, as shown [https://www.sf-fan.gr.jp/etc/fandom_award.html here] (same website/group where they host the Seiun Awards). It was given by the same group that gives out the Seiun Award, and there is only one level (no categories), so it's an uncomplicated award to enter.
 
  
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: Sounds pretty straightforward. If there are no objections, I will add these on Monday. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:24, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Le Splash! ==
  
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===SF Fanzine Awards===
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https://archive.org/search?query=splash+don-ian; French edition of the mermaid movie novelization in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:56, 30 April 2024 (EDT)
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This award (SFファンジン大賞) was given out between 1982 and 2003 to speculative fiction fanzines in Japan. The winners were decided by a committee that changed annually. Japanese site [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ here]. It had several categories:
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:<s>That may be how it was credited. It's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?36221 currently varianted]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:53, 3 May 2024 (EDT)</s>
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::Um, I think Joe's response may be for another subject. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:10, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
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:::Yup, not sure which one mine was for. Sorry for the confusion. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:57, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
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: Looks like Layout was merged with Art in '84 and '85 before being dropped entirely?  Dunno if that merits a separate category being created for those 2 years... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:51, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Additions to verified publication ==
  
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===Takumi Shibano Award===
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hello mods! I am going to submit a few little additions (printing month, pub series name, external ID) to [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503484 this book], which was primarily verified by Chavey, whose talk page says to post inquiries about modifications at the moderator board. Can I submit? thanks!  -  --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 08:13, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
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This award (柴野拓美賞) was given at the same time as the SF Fanzine Award, but was judged solely by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?23499 Takumi Shibano]. It was a single award given out each year (though a few times people shared the award in a single year). [https://www.sf-fan.onn.jp/184/185/ Same site] as above. It's considered a separate award from the SF Fanzine Awards rather than a category under that award.
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:Go ahead and submit them, then post here again. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:17, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
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:: Done! [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5954969 Here] is the submission. After approval I'll add my Primary verification. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fantagufo|contribs]]) .</small> 10:50, 3 May 2024‎ (EDT)
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:::Approved. [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?503484 Here's the entry now]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:00, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
  
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I'll be happy to add these. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:57, 26 May 2023 (EDT)
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== Server maintenance -- 2024-05-07 ==
  
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== Banner Art ==
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The server will be down for maintenance between 3pm and 3:05pm server (Eastern Daylight) time. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:54, 7 May 2024 (EDT)
  
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The last banner art that I uploaded was in 2009. The first banner art was put together in 2007 on a glass CRT with VGA resolution (640x480 pixels), and the last one was done on my first LCD display with DVI resolution (1920x1200 pixels). The banners are 90x900 pixels, which was about 40% wider than the VGA screen, and about 50% of the DVI screen, which seemed like a pretty substantial size at the time. My current display is 5120x2880, so a banner is now about 3/4 inch tall, and pretty difficult to see any detail. So a few things:
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: We are back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 15:06, 7 May 2024 (EDT)
  
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1. I've been upscaling the banners using an AI tool. I'm running them on isfdb2.org at 180x1800, which seems to be a pretty good match for my current browser width. They are pretty good, but not perfect (especially the lettering) but my 2009-era computer doesn't turn on any more, so the original photoshop files may be lost.
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2. In 2020 Ahasuerus put a notice on the [[Banner Art Credits]] page to post new images here. I have been working with Generative AI at work, so I thought I would apply some of that to generating a new banner art candidate. It's artwork from a 1950s-era magazine that never existed on our timeline - let's call it "Interplanetary Stories". All the images were created by DALL-E, with prompts to push it towards an early 1950s artwork style. Obviously, it is copyright free. (This version of the banner is smaller than 90x900, in order to meet the 200kB size limit of the wiki)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?76479; I found an Amazon image for Smoke's horror PB Deliver Us from Evil, a book I remember seeing and probably reading back in the day, so I added it in an edit, but no photos of the copyright page seem to exist so if anyone owns a copy/can find photos the month (and maybe cover artist?) can be added, too. Also, his earlier novel Atlantean Document seems very scarce with no cover I can find anywhere or any archived copy although there is evidence online that it was translated into Italian as "Il Cristallo di Atlantide" and a few cover images of that edition are online which show artwork that includes ADOLF HITLER so I assume the book ties into the occult beliefs the Nazis espoused; can anyone find a cover for the English-language edition? Finally, the other book from ETC on ISFDB, Vampires Are, https://archive.org/search?query=vampires-are+kaplan+kane, is "non-fiction" by a guy who was the founder of the Vampire Research Center and who wrote other junk like Amityville Horror Conspiracy and probably shouldn't be here, maybe it should be deleted and the review in Fangoria changed to a non-genre review. Any thoughts? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:11, 8 May 2024 (EDT)
  
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:Can't help with the covers, sorry, but if this can help: The Atlantean Document is not about Nazis belief: The synopsis (in uraniamania.com) for the Italian translation says that the story is about a crystal, thousands years old, which contains instructions to achieve weather control, and the secret agencies fighting to possess a complementary second crystal. --[[User:Fantagufo|Fantagufo]] ([[User talk:Fantagufo|talk]]) 10:05, 8 May 2024 (EDT)
  
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3. If anyone has requests for a banner honoring a specific magazine (from our timeline), post it here or on my talk page. Otherwise, I may pull over a few more alternate timeline magazines. [[User:Alvonruff|Alvonruff]] ([[User talk:Alvonruff|talk]]) 20:32, 27 May 2023 (EDT)
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:I agree with your assessment of ''Vampires Are'': it's not genre. I've removed it and changed the review to a standard essay. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 10:22, 8 May 2024 (EDT)

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Through the Budgerigar

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?925198; While adding LCCN to Jones novel Transplant I noticed this book was added not long ago and while SFE mentions it and even a cover artist there seems to be no evidence of a cover online; can anyone find one? --Username (talk) 18:06, 3 January 2024 (EST)

To the Sound of Freedom II

https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#To_the_Sound_of_Freedom; I came across this record again today; should it get an all-8's date? --Username (talk) 18:24, 4 January 2024 (EST)

HG Wells and His Critics

https://archive.org/search?query=wells-and-his-critics; Anyone know a way to tell which of the 3 publishers these copies are from so I can add links? The USA one has no record; maybe it was never actually published by them. --Username (talk) 22:38, 5 January 2024 (EST)

Top Science Fiction

https://archive.org/search?query=pachter-josh+top&sort=-addeddate; Someone added intros to this anthology recently, I added archived link long ago, just noticed a Spanish-language edition, La crema de la ciencia ficción, was upped to Archive.org in 2013 in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. EDIT: From the same publisher is La Crema del crimen, https://archive.org/search?query=crema-del-crimen, which includes a few stories from ISFDB judging by back cover. --Username (talk) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)

I will add the Spanish one. What the heck. --MartyD (talk) 13:12, 6 January 2024 (EST)

Pachter

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1914279; Josh Pachter is credited as "with" on title page of 2015 English edition on Archive.org. Should he be added as co-author? --Username (talk) 10:21, 6 January 2024 (EST)

I didn't check the Archive.org copy, but the Look Inside on Amazon shows that "with" citation, but then on the copyright page it says the English translation is copyright 2015 Dhooge and Pachter. There is also a copyright 2014 for Dhooge and the original publisher. I interpret that to mean Pachter's role was (co-?)translator. I found Pachter's bibliography page, and this listed in the "Translations" section. But just to avoid having anything be too clear, he also has this, where he talks about previously translating another Dhooge work and being asked to "collaborate on an American version" of this one. So does that mean this isn't a translation but is actually a major revision? Dunno. Given that Pachter only takes credit for translating it, I think noting him as translator and documenting the "with" citation and the copyright statements (could throw in the Pachter site references as a bonus) should be sufficient. --MartyD (talk) 13:30, 6 January 2024 (EST)

Star Gors

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5851689; I was adding links and adding/fixing other stuff in some Gor editions, mostly UK Star PB, when I noticed an artist's signature for Players of Gor, Star edition, is on the cover but ISFDB had no credit. I tried several names I thought it could be and finally got Tony Masero who, as far as I can tell, is credited exactly once on the entire net for doing this cover, an AbeBooks/Biblio seller's description, but AbeBooks show the wrong (Daw Books) cover and Biblio's scan of the right cover is much too small to see the signature clearly. So I think I got a rare one. As can be seen here, [1], there are 5 other Star editions with no cover credit; if anyone can find a signature on any of them, beat me to it and enter them yourselves. --Username (talk) 21:49, 6 January 2024 (EST)

Night Mayor Cover Art

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?474; I noticed that the cover art for the original UK HC and the US C&G HC, which is the same, is credited to 2 different artists here. It's easy to find photos of the back flap of US online which does say design by Roy Colmer but of the several eBay sellers who offer the UK none thought to show the back flap. There are many C&G Colmer design credits online so I'm thinking Kemp did the art and US just didn't credit him, only their designer. So should we make C&G artist Jon Kemp with a note about him not being credited? --Username (talk) 19:11, 10 January 2024 (EST)

I have the UK hc of Kim Newman / The Night Mayor. The rear flap of the dust jacket states: "Jacket Illustration: Jon Kemp" and "Jacket Design: Bostock & Pollitt Ltd." Teallach (talk) 18:44, 18 January 2024 (EST)

Darrah Chavey's Passing

I was saddened to read this morning of Chavey's passing in File 770 (Number 7 in the Pixel Scroll). It was always a pleasure to work with him here and he will be missed. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:49, 11 January 2024 (EST)

I replaced link on his page with an updated one; also, while adding a link to the issue of the zine, Aurora, where his Walton essays appeared I discovered that most issues of Aurora and its predecessor Janus are on Archive.org, he PV most (all?) of them, but some have full contents while others have nothing. I imported a few poems from Robert Frazier, Steven M. Tymon, etc. but there's a ton of other book reviews and articles and stuff for anyone who's interested. --Username (talk) 19:15, 11 January 2024 (EST)
Sad news indeed. He had a heart attack a few years ago and has been less active since then, but he was only 69, so it was unexpected. Thanks for updating his User and Talk pages. I have updated user rights on his account. Ahasuerus (talk) 23:11, 12 January 2024 (EST)
Rtrace, thanks for letting us all know. I echo your sentiments. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:47, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Barn Owl

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?4296; I made an edit for City of Hermits long ago and today added some more stuff; I think this Barn Owl is not the same as the other that published much later. Ann Jungman who wrote a few of the later ones has a Wiki page where it says she founded Barn Owl in 1999 so I think the 1983 one should get a USA or California or something added to it. Whoever wrote the note about Frances Lincoln here seems to have conflated the 2 publishers; the England location probably belongs with the later publisher. --Username (talk) 08:27, 11 January 2024 (EST)

I separated out Barn Owl Books (UK) and Barn Owl Books (USA) based on the ISBN's. I also updated the notes for Barn Owl Books (UK) based on this article. When untangling publishers, the Global Register of Publishers can be of help. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:11, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Pat Frank Title

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5856366; I added cover image long ago; just came across archived copy which was there years before my edit so I'm not sure why I didn't add it back then but I did now and also added dash in title, H-Bomb, but I noticed there's another part of the title that people can't decide on. Mhhutchins entered it with 3 dots but title page has one GIANT dot while facing page has long dash and LOC/WorldCat has comma. So what's the consensus? --Username (talk) 11:44, 11 January 2024 (EST)

Sue Robinson

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?16675; I added archived link and a few other things to the HC of Amendment; author is a respected American newsperson. She should be differed from the Australian author. 1992 story in Weird Tales may be by either of them or another person since there's no bio in that issue. Also, does anyone own Amendment PB? It has nice cover art but there's no back cover photo online where I assume the artist would be credited. I see some weird blocks in the lower right, P and another letter, maybe initials or maybe just part of the art. --Username (talk) 19:10, 11 January 2024 (EST)

I separated out The Amendment to Sue Robinson (I). The author blurb for The Amendment does not align with the bio for the more prominent newspaper reporter of the same name, nor does that person list The Amendment as one of their works on their personal or faculty website. So probably two different reporters with same name. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:55, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Peter Goodfellow

http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2; I added a few credits for this artist but the last one has me stumped because the 1992 edition had the same cover as the last image here, http://petergoodfellow.com/index.php/2-uncategorised/18-misc2, but that was wrong because archived copy has the same Posen cover as the later printing on ISFDB. Goodfellow cover has an M for Mammoth so was it an earlier or later edition and why can't I find the original Methuen cover anywhere? --Username (talk) 12:54, 12 January 2024 (EST)

French Swastika

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5857839; French speakers, I made my usual shaky attempt at entering a foreign-language edition but I felt a book of such fame probably deserved it; after approval if anyone cares to look it over I'm sure it can be improved. I also made a follow-up edit changing date of French variant to a year earlier to match the date of this book. Also, those Feminist Press editions, https://archive.org/search?query=swastika-night&sort=-addeddate&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22, are a mess, the one with the white cover matches the UK Lawrence & Wishart edition's cover but has the info of the '85 Feminist edition, while the other 2 with the face on the cover either a) have no price on the back and totally different back cover text but copyright page is the same or b) are a 4th printing from 2003, I think, with cover info on copyright page the '85 edition doesn't have and a missing back cover so no way to tell what was on there. If anyone cares to figure all that out. For some reason the French edition I mentioned above is in English according to Archive.org which is obviously wrong. --Username (talk) 18:59, 12 January 2024 (EST)

UK Omni

https://fantlab.ru/edition356174; I added archived links to the 6 volumes of Best of Omni and noticed FantLab has a photo of #6 with a UK price on it in case anyone knows more about that; maybe all 6 were published there but, if so, none are on ISFDB. --Username (talk) 10:23, 14 January 2024 (EST)

Tiret-Bognet

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=bognet&type=Name; same Verne illustrator, same book in different languages, one should be parent and maybe some of the art needs merging, Holmesd worked on many of these Verne books so he'd probably know. --Username (talk) 19:48, 14 January 2024 (EST)

Server maintenance 2024-01-15 at 3pm EST

The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-01-15 (today) between 3pm and 3:10pm EST. The database and the Wiki will be unavailable. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:09, 15 January 2024 (EST)

The server is back up. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:06, 15 January 2024 (EST)

N. Katerli

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=katerli&type=Name; I found a huge (380+ pages) thread on FantLab's message boards with people who have died, many of which were never entered on ISFDB (not all genre, though, some footballers and other non-genre people are included, too) and while adding many dates and photos I came across Katerli; I added Wiki link, day of death, and photo to Nina's record but is that other spelling the same person? If so, some variant would probably be needed. --Username (talk) 12:25, 17 January 2024 (EST)

It's very possible, given how things get romanized from Eastern European languages. Perhaps one of our Eastern European language people can do a little digging? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:30, 17 January 2024 (EST)
Looking into it a bit myself, I'm 100% sure they are the same person. Working on connecting them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:57, 17 January 2024 (EST)
Okay, everything is here, now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:27, 17 January 2024 (EST)
Thanks for working on her stories. I have added dates and updated the author record. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:51, 17 January 2024 (EST)

Terry Venables

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5861442; Is this the famous footballer (or soccer, as we Yanks call it)? There seem to be a lot of photos of him but some of them look like a different person so just making sure this is the right guy (he wrote some novels including Bornless Keeper which is on ISFDB but online info seems to suggest he didn't actually write any of it, Gordon Williams did). --Username (talk) 12:44, 17 January 2024 (EST)

Yes, things like that do happen: there are several titles in the database for which it is doubtful if the featured prominent author did actually write them; and so, jugig from the photo and the theme of the listed title it is the Terry Venables. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 07:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)
I can confirm that the photo in your submission is indeed of the English footballer Terry Venables. Teallach (talk) 18:42, 18 January 2024 (EST)

Alchemy Magazine

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/seriesgrid.cgi?35135; Luminist.org has a lot of magazines not on Archive.org and while replacing cover and adding link to Alchemy #2 I noticed all 3 issues have a different format, TP/unknown/pulp. Those who know about such things may want to adjust those since I'm assuming they all should be the same format. --Username (talk) 01:11, 18 January 2024 (EST)

Dinotopia Digest Novels

I just made about 20 edits for this series (https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862661 through https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5862859) and as usual with series books it's a nightmare; I think I did as much as I could with what's available (oddly, only 1 book, Survive!, didn't have its original Random House edition entered on ISFDB so I had to scrounge up a copy on Google Books to enter info from). I think only one thing may raise questions and that's this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2230051, where an editor here in 2017 entered James Gurney as cover artist but even though he's mentioned on all copyright pages because he's the creator/owner of Dinotopia it was actually Michael Welply who did all the covers. Problem is after I removed cover credit (I didn't enter Welply because while it does say that in archived 3rd printing copy there are some 1st printings of books in the series that misspelled it as Welpley and then corrected that in later printings) I noticed the nomination for best cover in the art record. So I don't know what to make of that; was Gurney nominated because he's the creator or did someone make a mistake and not nominate the real artist, Welply? --Username (talk) 12:58, 18 January 2024 (EST)

Pratchett's Eric - converting into novella?

I did a word count on a digital version of Eric, and it's around 35000 words, i.e. clearly a novella. Comments on the title and various publication records point out how unusually short it is. Locus calls the first edition a novella, but later editions a novel. I think the novella classification is correct, but am hesitant in converting such a high-profile title. Any opinions? TerokNor (talk) 08:01, 19 January 2024 (EST)

My electronic copy contains 34.2K words, so it's a novella. That said, I wonder about Locus changing its classification after the first edition. Is there any indication that later editions may have been longer? Ahasuerus (talk) 11:43, 19 January 2024 (EST)
I can find no indication of there being different editions of the text. I noticed however that after the original illustrated edition (which was billed "A Discworld Story"), it usually says "A Discworld Novel" on the covers, so Locus might have just gone with that. TerokNor (talk) 13:59, 19 January 2024 (EST)
It sounds like it's a novella whose subtitle (but not the word count) was changed in later editions. I suggest we wait for other editors to share their thoughts before we change the type from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)
I added an Archive.org link in a PENDING edit to The Illustrated Eric, 2010 Gollancz HC, so that may help with the counting; page count said 144 but it is actually 131. --Username (talk) 12:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)
I have approved the submission that corrected the page count and updated the Note field to indicate where the corrected page count comes from. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:49, 19 January 2024 (EST)
(Chime) Not surprised, don't care, go ahead. ../Doug H (talk) 21:26, 19 January 2024 (EST)

(unindent) Hearing no objection, I have left a message on TerokNor's Talk page asking him to proceed with the proposed changes. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Thank you. I have submitted the first edit to begin the process. TerokNor (talk) 05:19, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Late Mods

I had a thought while adding FantLab ID to a PV Brian Lumley book today; is there a way to remove the necessity of adding a note to the mod about what changes you made if the mod is deceased? There have been several mod losses recently, most of whom PV countless books, so it would save time to not have to write anything if the only PV's are ones who are not going to read those notes. --Username (talk) 12:23, 19 January 2024 (EST)

I think there are two sides to this issue.
The first one is technical, i.e. whether it would be possible to modify the software to check each primary verifier's Talk page to see if it starts with the "Deceased user" template. The short answer is "Yes, it would be possible, although it would also make our core software more closely intertwined with the Wiki software, which may become a minor nuisance during the next Wiki upgrade".
The second one is functional, i.e. whether making this kind of change would be desirable. I am not sure it would. It would save some keystrokes, but there is value to having more detailed Edit History for primary verified publications even if their verifiers are no longer available. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:42, 19 January 2024 (EST)

Moll/Head Virgin Planet

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864268; I added cover and prices but I think publisher should be changed to Wyndham, either Star or Tandem or Target which are all on ISFDB related to Wyndham, since their logo is on front and back covers, https://www.ebay.com/itm/143869122299. The other issue is the cover is the same Charles Moll art as earlier US paperbacks; Michael Head was a designer with 1 other ISFDB credit that notes say is just a photo and a Mike Head I noted in an edit earlier today as the designer for Piatkus edition of M. Bingley's Waiting Darkness did a cover which is just a photo of a fist. So where Head credit came from for Virgin Planet I don't know but I think Moll credit should replace it. --Username (talk) 23:09, 19 January 2024 (EST)

One Hundred Years of Science Fiction

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5864915; I'm guessing this Gollancz edition is rare judging by the fact there's almost no photos of the cover online. As can be seen in my edit, notes about year (probably very old and entered by the long-gone Bluesman) are obsolete now because the year is on the title page. Also, the price was entered by Mellotronman from his copy but for a 1969 UK book the pre-decimal price should be entered so that's what I did; problem is in his note to mod in edit history he says other price is 32s, not 30. So if he's still around he may want to PV and add a note about the alternate price (I'm assuming the archived copy's flap is badly framed which is why the other price is not visible) and delete year notes and add a new one saying the date is on the title page. --Username (talk) 12:31, 20 January 2024 (EST)

It doesn't help that two different printings share the same ISBN. Mine says 1970 on the front of the title page and 'second impression 1970' on the back of the same page. The price is most definitely listed on the dust jacket as '32s', an unusual way of writing 'shillings'. The more usual way would be '32/-'. Perhaps the first impression was 30s and the second 32? Mellotronman (talk) 16:55, 20 January 2024 (EST)
OK, I think it makes sense now, copy on Archive.org is '69 1st pr. with just s-price while your 1970 2nd pr. has both s-price and pounds. So after my edit is approved you may want to clone it and enter yours with new date and prices and PV it, too. --Username (talk) 19:07, 20 January 2024 (EST)

Tom Palmer

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?98449; 2 or 3 different Palmers here; novels are by the guy pictured but the art credits are by the recently deceased (2022) famous comic artist who had a still-online site, tompalmerillustration, and a Wiki page as Tom Palmer (comics); the poem, judging by the bio at the archived Aphelion link, is by another likely American Palmer. --Username (talk) 21:58, 20 January 2024 (EST)

Lone Star Law

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80404; Anyone think this should be deleted? --Username (talk) 17:34, 21 January 2024 (EST)

The Note field says:
  • Western story anthology. It may have some spec-fic stories, but otherwise, there's no reason for it to be in the database.
Have we been able to find this anthology's table of contents and determine whether any of the stories are SF? Ahasuerus (talk) 15:23, 24 January 2024 (EST)
I was able to look at the ToC via the Amazon Look Inside feature for the pb edition (ISBN 978-1982153069) and I don't see anything there that looks like SF. Phil (talk) 15:38, 24 January 2024 (EST)
Reading the editor's introductions to each story I noticed that two stories were called "eerie". After reading them, I can confirm that one is an unambiguous ghost story while the other one is an ambiguous "curse" story. I have added them to the publication record and updated Notes. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:13, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Recording plagiarized work

A couple of days ago File 770 reported (item 5) that "After the Flood" by John Kucera was plagiarised from another author. I've added a note to that title record, but I'm wondering whether anything else should be done, e.g. making it a variant? ErsatzCulture (talk) 01:36, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Unless the poem uses the same wording I'd think the only thing we can do is to add notes to the title (and likely the publications the plagiat was published in). Christian Stonecreek (talk) 01:32, 22 January 2024 (EST)
All three of the works "by" this author that are listed on ISFDB appear to have been plagiarized. I've added notes to the title entries as well as the publication entries. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:59, 22 January 2024 (EST)
Thanks all! ErsatzCulture (talk) 15:22, 22 January 2024 (EST)
At some point, we should probably make them variants since (in all the reports I've read) only the title were changed by the plagiarizer. Similar to this one. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:34, 22 January 2024 (EST)
I've added the variants for the two I could figure out. Still unsure who originally wrote "Summer 1993" and what the original title was. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:15, 22 January 2024 (EST)
How about this one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2951283? --Username (talk) 16:29, 22 January 2024 (EST)
Looks like it's the same guy per a Google search that brought up this (archive), which is the same thing but under his Kucera name. Now to try to figure out who really wrote it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:06, 22 January 2024 (EST)
Some additional archive links to help us figure out all of this: Wild Word, Lothlorien Poetry Journal (archive), One Art Poetry on X, One Art Poetry, The Fictional Cafe, Sparks of Calliope (see also this page), New Reader Magazine (archive), Wendy N. Wagner loves pie on BlueSky, and I'll add more later. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:31, 22 January 2024 (EST)

(unindent) I suspect that the issue of plagiarized works is going to become harder to deal with in the near future. In the past we had to deal with two types of scenarios:

  • word-for-word reprints with the title/credits changed, usually by shady publishers or self-publishers
  • more elaborate schemes whose perpetrators plagiarized sections of other authors' works

The first type is fairly straightforward, but the second type is hard to catch. For example, volumes 29 and 33 in the Casca series were retroactively removed from the series over allegations of plagiarism in April-June 2013. It happened 3-5 years after their original publication even though the Casca fandom is very active. It's not something that we, bibliographers, can realistically identify on our own.

Over the last few months I have seen a number of reports of plagiarists using software to scrape Web-published stories, massage them using ChatGPT and put them on Amazon, e.g. this episode over the Christmas holidays. I suspect it's going to be a pain to deal with. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:29, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Bard II

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291859; Wrong cover, it has price and ISBN of earlier printing, I can't find right cover, if anyone else can, can you upload it and replace this one? --Username (talk) 10:47, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Also, The First Long Ship (or Longship on some sites) which has no cover online I can find so if it exists and someone can find it that needs uploading, too. --Username (talk) 11:03, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Galactic Central Images

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5867682; The only other site I can find that has this cover is Camelot Books; I was going to upload it when I thought of checking Philsp and found it hiding there. Is the owner(s) of that site ever going to upgrade to HTTPS? Right-click and "open image in new tab" does show the image but it still would be better if that didn't have to be done. --Username (talk) 12:43, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Last I heard, the owner said that he had no plans to upgrade to HTTPS. That said, browser vendors have been making it harder to access HTTP sites, which puts pressure on site owners to upgrade. It remains to be seen how it may affect Galactic Central in the future. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:21, 24 January 2024 (EST)

German Playboy

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?757; While replacing sideways Amazon cover with better straight cover for one of these books I noticed there are 8 or 9 that don't have cover credits (last book was unpublished so likely no cover exists); since most covers in the series were originally on English-language books it's likely the missing ones were, too, so if anyone can recognize the art then artists can be entered and variants can be made. --Username (talk) 09:08, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Brian Ames Title

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?119003; I added a link to a MOTA anthology over a year ago and there's a 2002 story by Brian Ames which editors before me seemed to have trouble deciding how to enter (see extensive title edit history), eventually settling on a symbol; however, in his collection someone entered the title as "grey blob", which is what it actually looks like in the anthology. So the 2 stories are the same and should be merged but what should the title be entered as? This reminds me of that David J. Schow horror story where nobody can ever decide how to enter it and eventually settled on "scribbled graffiti" or this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?76213, but at least Oates can get away with that because most of her work is pretentious "literary" stuff, anyway. --Username (talk) 12:22, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Merged here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:39, 24 January 2024 (EST)

Duplicate finder -- NOVEL/CHAPBOOK?

The "Duplicate Finder" program, which exists in three incarnations -- one for Author pages, one for Title pages and one for Publication pages -- searches for potential duplicate titles and then lets you merge them. Its default mode of operations is "exact", which means that two (or more) titles need to have the exact same spelling as well as the same authors in order to be considered potential duplicates.

The "exact" mode also ignores unlikely title type mismatches. For example, if one title record is SHORTFICTION and another one is NOVEL, they won't be flagged as potential duplicates. However, the "exact" mode currently flags NOVEL and CHAPBOOK titles with identical titles and authors as potential duplicates. I am thinking that this is likely more harmful than useful and would like to propose that we change the behavior of the "exact" mode to skip identical NOVEL/CHAPBOOK pairs. Ideas? Ahasuerus (talk) 17:35, 24 January 2024 (EST)

I agree. As it is currently, we could accidentally merge titles incorrectly. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:40, 24 January 2024 (EST)
I also agree. --MartyD (talk) 13:21, 25 January 2024 (EST)
I use that one a lot especially when adding juvenile chapbooks to prolific authors (mainly Fixer's) - because of how Amazon has these, they rarely make it to addPubs and not having the duplicate finder highlight the previously entered novel (a lot of these are stored as novels and need conversion) makes it more likely not to see the other version on the page. So I would rather not lose it... Annie (talk) 18:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)
Let me clarify that the Duplicate Finder's "similar" mode would continue to flag NOVEL, SHORTFICTION and CHAPBOOK titles as potential duplicates after the proposed change. Would it be sufficient for Fixer-originated use cases? Ahasuerus (talk) 21:41, 25 January 2024 (EST)
But we do not have a similar mode in the pubs/titles Duplicate finder. The one I use is the one that triggers when you click on "Check for Duplicate Titles" after a Pub/Title Edit. Which I believe is "exact". If I need to go to the author page every time to run a separate similar mode check, it will add steps. Plus in some of these authors, it will highlight a lot of things which is different from the current case where it is a quick check that finds usually a single match when it does. I can make it work - but it will add to the workflow. One option may be to allow the similar as an option on pub/title duplicate finder - keep the exact as a default but allow a similar to be run with a click how we do it on author page's find duplicates? A separate click which is right there will help.
And this is not just for Fixer usecases - I've needed it when moderating as well often enough in a similar usecase - we have chapbook/novel and a new(ish) member adds the same as the other.
If the proposal is to remove it from the 'Author' exact duplicate finder only with no change for the pub/title duplicate finder, then I am fine with removing it there. But the way the proposal reads, it sounds like we are not going to show it in the default mode in either :) Annie (talk) 10:45, 26 January 2024 (EST)
Thanks for the clarification. I forgot about the fact that the versions of the Duplicate Finder software used on Publication and Title pages do not support "similar" and "aggressive" modes. If memory serves, the reason was performance -- there can be thousands of titles with "similar" spellings where "similar" is defined as an 85% overlap, the current threshold value.
It sounds like what we may need is a new Duplicate Finder mode. Something that would be the same as the "exact" mode except that it would also flag identical CHAPBOOK/NOVEL title pairs. It would be made available on all three Duplicate Finder pages.
If it sounds workable, I can look into what it would take to implement it. I suspect that it should be a fairly straightforward change, but I am not 100% sure. We'll also need to come up with an intuitive name for the new mode. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:11, 26 January 2024 (EST)
That will work for me. And if you are going to do it, we may think about throwing an anthology/collection/omnibus format mix in the same mode (same usecase essentially - especially around juveniles and novellas previously added as novels). And even poem/shortfiction? Maybe simply pull all the format discrepancy matches out from Exact (requiring a format match in it) and move them to their own type of duplicate finder mode. That will also make it less likely for someone to merge by mistake based on the standard duplicate find.Annie (talk) 12:27, 26 January 2024 (EST)
You could have "type" be an independent modifier applied to any of the three modes. Something like "Match identical types only", on by default. That would also be easy to extend to other criteria (e.g., language) in the future without having a cross product of mode choices. --MartyD (talk) 14:26, 26 January 2024 (EST)
Good point! Ahasuerus (talk) 14:43, 26 January 2024 (EST)

(unindent) After experimenting on the development server and paying closer attention when working on the Clean Authors cleanup, I think I have a better appreciation for Annie's concerns. At this point clicking "Check for Duplicate Titles" post-approval is second nature for moderators and self-approvers. When a submission adds a NOVEL publication, it's very helpful to know that a CHAPBOOK pub with the same title already exists in the database, especially if the submitter is a robot. Requiring the approving moderator to click yet another link/button would mess with the workflow.

I suppose we could change the Duplicate Finder logic to ignore CHAPBOOK/NOVEL duplicates by default, but display a yellow warning -- and a link to the more relaxed version of the Duplicate Finder -- if they exist. I am not sure it would be ideal, though. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:34, 31 January 2024 (EST)

As long as it is a link and not a need to go elsewhere or to go to the author level, that will work for me.
I'd also want to ask for the anthology/collection/omnibus and the poem/short fiction checks to be added to the chapbook/novel both for the yellow warning and the more relaxed one - both of these happen often enough to be annoying if we lose the ability to see them on the duplicate finder. Unless the plan is to leave these into the default one - in which case, we are fine. Annie (talk) 11:45, 31 January 2024 (EST)
After thinking some more about this issue, it occurs to me that there may be another way to approach this issue. Currently, most post-approval Web pages display links that let you view/edit the updated/added record or, for some submission types like Make Variant, multiple records. A few post-submission pages also link to the Duplicate Finder or other pages.
However, there is nothing preventing the post-approval software from quietly checking the status of the added/updated record(s) and displaying appropriate warnings. For example, the post-approval page for NewPubs could run the Duplicate Finder behind the scenes and then display a message like:
  • The added publication record includes a title record with the same title and authors as another title record. Use the Duplicate Finder link above to see the details.
This warning message would be easy to implement and moderators would no longer have to worry about forgetting to click "Duplicate Finder" after approving NewPub submissions. Does this sound useful?
If we choose to add this warning message, we could still decide to tweak the Duplicate Finder logic later, but I think the message should be implemented first since it changes the workflow. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:53, 2 February 2024 (EST)
That will be useful -- I am not sure how many false alerts will show up and how they will be treated (especially from the less experienced moderating users - usually the self-approvers) but other from that, any checks the software can do for me are always welcome. Annie (talk) 14:08, 6 February 2024 (EST)
OK, FR 1592, "Warning after approving NewPub submissions which create potential duplicates", has been created. We'll see how useful it will be. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:48, 6 February 2024 (EST)

Duplicate Finder enhancements -- Outcome

FR 1592 has been implemented. After approving NewPub/AddPub/ClonePub/EditPub submissions, moderators and self-approvers will now see a yellow warning and a link to the Duplicate Finder if the created/affected publication record contains one (or more) title records which have the same title(s) and author(s) as other title records in the database. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:58, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Moondust

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?22737; I added a whole bunch of edits for Rosemary Harris books and also found a PDF link for her early uncollected story "Hamlin" at Galactic Journey. Looking through their list of PDF's I noticed a Swann link and, thinking it would be a short story, I clicked it and it turned out to be the full original edition of his novel Moondust which has no copies at the usual places like Internet Archive or Luminist. I'm guessing there's more novels hiding in that list but for now I'll just ask if anyone owns the book and wouldn't mind transcribing the text on the last 2 pages and adding it to the record because those are missing in the PDF. I'm not sure what copyright rules are for a 50+-year-old book but I think a page or two would count as an excerpt and wouldn't bother anyone, right? --Username (talk) 11:43, 25 January 2024 (EST)

That can get complicated. Since this was first published in 1968 in the United States, and if it was published with a copyright notice, the copyright expires at the end of 2063 (meaning it becomes public domain on January 1, 2064). If it was published without a copyright notice, since it was published between 1964 and 1977, it is now in the public domain. See here for more details. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:27, 25 January 2024 (EST)
Looking at the PDF copy from the link you submitted, the copyright notice is very clear on the back of the title page. This means the copyright doesn't expire until 2064, so we shouldn't be linking to a pirated PDF copy. I rejected the link addition. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:30, 25 January 2024 (EST)
So does that mean that all the 330 or so Luminist.org PDF's currently linked on ISFDB are pirated, too? Because I don't think most of those are public domain; I would know because I'm the one who added most of the links. Has any mod in the history of this site ever gotten a request from anyone to remove a Luminist PDF? I'd be curious to know. When someone pirates something and uploads it, they love to add their name, fake as it may be, to the upload, similar to how computer game crackers decades ago loved to add their names to the crack, usually with some animation and music (which were sometimes better than those in the game itself); believe me, I could easily add hundreds of Internet Archive links to rare books right now except for the fact that the uploaders converted them to crap e-editions with removed page numbers. I don't see anything like that in Moondust so it's likely someone's personal copy they converted to a PDF; it's clearly the original paperback with page numbers and a bookstore sticker on the cover and everything. Since Swann died in 1976 and the last reprint as far as ISFDB (and WorldCat) say was in 1977 I doubt anyone would care if a PDF was linked to here; any serious collector would want a physical copy. My suggestion would be to un-reject it. Barring that, I'll just go ahead and make a note with the address of the PDF but not hot-linked so people know where it is but actually have to paste the URL into the address bar themselves in order to get it. --Username (talk) 17:47, 25 January 2024 (EST)
This guy, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?286234, runs the site. Looks legit to me; he even published a magazine of the same title. --Username (talk) 18:08, 25 January 2024 (EST)
The question about the status of Luminist-hosted PDF files is an interesting one. I should first note that I became aware of the Luminist Web site back in 2010 when we were given permission to link to Luminist-hosted images. I was under the impression that the files that they host were similar to Gutenberg-hosted "copyright-cleared" files, which is why I have been approving their addition for the last few years.
However, reading the copyright statement on the main Luminist page:
  • This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use. The copyright law of the United States (Title 17, United States Code) provides for making “fair use” copies of copyrighted materials under certain conditions, including that that the reproduction is not to be used commercially or “for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research.” By accessing files linked to this site you are agreeing to abide by these restrictions. If you do not agree, do not download. If any copyright owner objects to our inclusion of their material on this web site, please do not harass our hosting providers; just contact us with the pertinent information. We will remove contested content promptly upon receipt of legitimate requests. Readers who wish to obtain a permanent copy of any item are encouraged to acquire one from a bookseller of their choice. Readers may contact us for assistance in locating copies for purchase.
I see that they expect their users to download PDF files for "private study, scholarship, or research" purposes and, apparently, not for permanent use. This relies on an interpretation of the "fair use" doctrine which seems a bit too stretchy to me, but I am not an expert in the field. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:09, 25 January 2024 (EST)
OK, sounds good to me, "private study" clearly can mean reading the book and since they're being linked at ISFDB that covers the scholarship/research part. Also, what I took to be a Galactic Journey magazine is just a few random pages from the webzine with a couple of essay links, 1 of which is movie-related and probably doesn't qualify, but there's some Hugo Award nomination so I guess they count; the first entry is totally blank and was actually entered by user "galacticjourney" himself with mods questioning on his page why he entered it since it's a webzine. The site is still running currently and has hundreds of essays, many of which would be suitable for entry here, I'm sure. --Username (talk) 18:25, 25 January 2024 (EST)
Let me clarify what I meant by "a bit too stretchy". The part of the Copyright Law that they cite -- "for any purpose other than private study, scholarship, or research" -- doesn't come from the "fair use" clause (Section 107 of the Copyright Act.) Instead it comes from Section 108, "Reproduction by libraries and archives". Section 108 is a lengthy section with a set of provisions that are completely different from the "fair use" provisions in Section 107. It's odd that the Luminist Web site cites Section 108 ("libraries and archives") language to support what they state is a Section 107 ("fair use") exception.
I should add that both Section 107 and Section 108 lawsuits can get complex and technical as we saw during Hachette v. Internet Archive in 2020-2023. My knowledge of these topics is very limited, but hopefully other editors may have more in-depth knowledge and/or relevant experience in this field. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:38, 25 January 2024 (EST)
I have started a Rules and Standards discussion to see if we can come up with unambiguous rules for linking to third party-hosted texts. Ahasuerus (talk) 20:50, 26 January 2024 (EST)

Reactor?!?

I was at my awful local public library printing out various articles and short stories for free which is the only positive thing about libraries these days and after my hour was up I realized I forgot to check Tor.com to see if they published any new fiction (horror only, please, no SF or fantasy) so I checked when I got home and got a scary-looking page which made me think a computer virus had finally taken hold of my laptop after not having one for many years but it turns out that Tor apparently has re-named themselves Reactor. Is anyone else aware of this? --Username (talk) 17:08, 26 January 2024 (EST)

Yes, they announced it a few weeks ago. New site, new name (to differentiate them from the Tor.com publisher), same team, same contents. All the old links to their old site should be forwarding cleanly to the new one. Annie (talk) 17:30, 26 January 2024 (EST)
And the announcement and Q&A about it. Annie (talk) 17:31, 26 January 2024 (EST)
I suspect that the part of the FAQ that is most likely to affect us is this:
  • SFF literature is still the heart of what we do, and that’s our priority. We’ll just also be open to related subjects of interest, from nonfic to romantasy, pirates to gardening, and so on.
So it looks like they will have more non-genre content going forward, but they expect to remain primarily SF-oriented for the foreseeable future. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:23, 26 January 2024 (EST)

Chinese Godzilla?

https://archive.org/search?query=%E6%80%AA%E7%8D%A3%E3%82%B4%E3%82%B8%E3%83%A9&and%5B%5D=mediatype%3A%22texts%22; If anyone knows what this is about and decides it warrants entering, thanks. --Username (talk) 18:18, 29 January 2024 (EST)

Magic German Cats

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33710; There was a 1999 German edition under a new title, https://archive.org/details/katmagie13katten0000unse, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that. --Username (talk) 10:02, 30 January 2024 (EST)

ZOLTAR

[2]; Polish primary verifier seemed to be very active in 2012 and then nothing, they left a lot of their 300+ PV unfinished with missing info, mentioning this in case anyone fluent in Polish wants to follow up on any of them and add or fix anything. I thought of this before but remembered it today after finding a photo for Jerzy Sosnowski on FantLab and an archived copy of the anthology PL +50 which his story on ISFDB appears in. --Username (talk) 12:45, 30 January 2024 (EST)

verification email

I have tried several times to elicit a verification email but nothing has arrived. I've checked junk & trash as well. Is this simply not working? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Starman99 (talk • contribs) .

I am afraid this is a common occurrence, which we discuss in the ISFDB FAQ:
  • Different email servers have different automated rules which may block email coming from certain Web sites, which makes it hard to tell what's preventing ISFDB confirmation email from being delivered to your mailbox.
  • Note, however, that confirmation emails are optional as far as ISFDB is concerned. As long as you can log in, you have full access to all ISFDB features including Advanced Search, display preferences, submission creation etc.
Since you were able to post the message above, you should be all set :-) Ahasuerus (talk) 18:11, 30 January 2024 (EST)

Ace Dates

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5872024; Can someone on the long list of editors find out where someone got month from? Whoever entered many of these old PB long ago was very random about noting where they got the month, but I remember it was a checklist or something so that's likely where this one came from, too. I thought it would be obvious why I added the month since it's there throughout the contents but I guess not. --Username (talk) 23:27, 30 January 2024 (EST)

Berthon

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=theodore+le&type=Name; Space in first entry separates same essay from its appearances elsewhere; no essay title page I can find but I did see a contents page of Frankenstein File that says, um, Ted Le Berthon, https://www.ebay.com/itm/334647759422. So, if anyone can verify, a merge or variant will be needed. --Username (talk) 00:08, 31 January 2024 (EST)

I'm looking for a book title

Hello everyone, I'm looking for a book title. I read the book years ago probably in the 80s. A quick summary the world is divided by a massive mountain range. I think that the protagonist must climb the mountain range in order to become the ruler. They climb the mountain only to find a deep valley on the other side with an even higher mountain range behind it. The protagonist ultimately climbs the second mountain range where they find another land on the far side with another intelligent species. This has been driving me batty and I would appreciate it if anyone knows what this books title is and who wrote it. Thank you. —The preceding unsigned comment added by Firefighterbgrg (talk • contribs) 19:21, February 1, 2024‎

If no one here is able to help you, we have a section in our FAQ that gives several places where you can ask for help finding the book. Good luck! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:15, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Darrah Chavey

I learn via Ansible today that Darrah Chavey left this mortal coil on 6 January. He was always a learned and consistent editor to work alongside at the ISFDB... Happy trails Darrah, Rest In Peace. :( PeteYoung (talk) 10:39, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Yes, indeed. There was a brief Community Portal discussion on 2024-01-11 and Darrah's database record was updated. RIP. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:01, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Gardner F. Fox's text story in "Strange Adventures"

Earlier today a Usenet poster pointed out that Gardner F. Fox published "The Magic Maker of Rann", a text story, in the comic Strange Adventures #226. The story is lavishly illustrated, but the text works just fine even if you were to reprint it without illustrations, which is how we determine whether a story is "graphic".

The whole thing is available online, illustrations included. Should we treat Strange Adventures as a non-genre periodical and list this story? Ahasuerus (talk) 16:32, 2 February 2024 (EST)

I've entered a number of Eando Binder stories from the Lieutenant Jon Jarl of the Space Patrol series that originally appeared in Captain Marvel Adventures comic, and I entered them in exactly the manner you suggest. I believe some of these stories have been reprinted as text alone, so I felt I was on pretty safe ground. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:43, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Lost Ark Storybook

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5880702; ISBN belongs to Scholastic edition judging by a back cover I saw online. There's a later (3rd) trade printing on Archive.org with trade and library ISBN on the copyright page so either this record should be made Scholastic or a new record created for Random House edition(s). I've been adding dozens of Wikipedia links to novelizations recently and I've come across some other issues like this (only one I can remember is Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade by Anne Digby which has pub. series as Hippo Books but that actually belongs to the UK edition which I made a new record for) so when these are approved a check and some fixing/adding is probably needed for at least a few of them. --Username (talk) 12:50, 3 February 2024 (EST)

Rise of the Silver Surfer

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?346021; I made an edit fixing typo "udpated" to "updated", surprisingly the only such error on all of ISFDB, and realized that this edition was likely never published with AbeBooks having a weird "cover to be unveiled" photo. So unless someone can find evidence of a copy I think this should get the unpublished date. --Username (talk) 19:30, 3 February 2024 (EST)

Parnassus Wizard of Earthsea

https://archive.org/details/wizardofearthsea00ursu; I added a link to a Parnassus edition based on someone's extensive notes here (no number line or smudge on title page) but there are some editions of this book only linked from Open Library including the one above which has a price much higher than any other book from the publisher on ISFDB but copyright page has same info as 1969 2nd printing so if anyone knows a way to determine the date a new edition can be added. There's an ancient ISFDB bibliography from 2006 by Ahasuerus, https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Author:Ursula_K._Le_Guin, which could probably use some updating unless it's been updated somewhere else. --Username (talk) 20:08, 4 February 2024 (EST)

Pranks

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've made edits for all editions before, original 1983 Amazon cover seems to have disappeared leading to a broken image so I replaced it, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882029, then I replaced OL/Archive cover which is too dark with an Amazon cover, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5882020, that isn't great but is brighter and still retains the sparkly stuff on the title that Leisure used to attract people to buy their books which then led to disappointment when the buyers realized the novels themselves were usually crap, the latest edition is fine as is, so now I think the 1983 edition with the wrong price and ISBN should be deleted and the image uploaded by Chris J. should be removed from the Wiki since it seems to be the badly creased cover that's still on Amazon with unnecessary back cover included. --Username (talk) 11:17, 5 February 2024 (EST)

Felix Kelly

I entered new records for Faber anthologies Best Murder Stories and Best Murder Stories 2 which are mostly genre or by genre authors; I also looked at Best Tales of Terror, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?4213, and even though I know I've seen that cover many times I never noticed until seeing it full-sized on FantLab that there's a very clear signature lower right, FELIX KELLY. I entered that in an edit but the problem is that the record for him, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?255975, might be the same artist who did the 1956 art but can't be the guy from 1879. So there may be 2 Felix Kellys in case anyone can find out more and separate them into 2 records; it's also possible that the 1956 art was not new but taken from something drawn by the older Kelly. --Username (talk) 10:09, 6 February 2024 (EST)

Also added Margaret Wolpe as cover artist for Best Tales of Terror 2; no signature I can see but FantLab credits her + there's a copy on Dalby's site whose front flap says she did "jacket design" and the art does look like many of her other Faber covers. Also greatly updated her record with lots of bio info and noted she was married to Berthold, also an artist, and updated his record as well. Dalby's copy has a pounds price sticker covering another pound price so I'm getting the impression Faber reprinted their anthologies many times with no way to tell except the prices kept getting higher; lots of printings are probably missing so if anyone has any not on ISFDB it would be good to enter them. --Username (talk) 11:03, 6 February 2024 (EST)

The Adventure of the Peerless Peer

Are there any objections to converting this to a novella? The recent ebook reprint is marked as 27k words by Kobo USA and looking at the page numbers and some of the other editions, it does feel too small to be a novel. Thanks! Annie (talk) 17:41, 6 February 2024 (EST)

It's definitely a novella. The Titan Books edition (2011) is well over 200 pages and looks like a bona fide novel, but its apparent length is due to the addition of a very long promotional excerpt from Kim Newman's Moriarty: The Hound of the D'Urbervilles. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:16, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Termush - convert to novella

Another recent reprint shows this one as 25k words in English (Kobo USA count) which will leave it well short of 40K in its original Danish as well. Any objections to converting this to a novella? Annie (talk) 18:27, 6 February 2024 (EST)

John Stanley

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5883789; See my note about artist, that Little Lulu credit in the original Stanley record belongs with I's record because, as my note in the original says, he was born in '39 or '40 so he would only have been 9 or 10 if he did that art which is unlikely; this is the right Stanley, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Stanley_(cartoonist). The Melvin Monster credits belong with I, too. I have to assume the Fengriffen Stanley is not the same as I because it's a UK edition and he's American plus it's a photograph, not drawn. --Username (talk) 00:10, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Doolin

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?431777; Late PV entered James Doolin based on signature but there is none, FantLab photo has initials JPD, it's actually Joseph Doolin, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27894, and he has an entry for the same art, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1590968. --Username (talk) 10:48, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Uncorrected Proofs

I'm holding this submission to update this record. I noticed that the record states that it was unpublished (8888-00-00), yet there appears to be a cover that was just added. More importantly it also describes this as an "uncorrected proof" and I had thought that proofs were outside of our scope. The policy specifically excludes Advance Reading Copies unless available for sale to the public. Do uncorrected proofs differ from ARCs in terms of determining scope? This seems straightforward to me and I believe the publication should be deleted. If others disagree and this requires a full discussion, we can move this the the Rules and Standards board. Thoughts? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:59, 7 February 2024 (EST)

I read the rules the same way you do - ARCs and uncorrected proofs are out. However, we do keep records of unpublished but announced books (these are in scope under the announced but never published (entered as "unpublished") part of ROA) so I would not delete this one as it is under that category. So ARC/uncorrected proof of a book that comes out will not be eligible but if the book never makes it out, adding the notes about it into the 8888 book are fine I think. Annie (talk) 11:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)
Comparing this publication record with other, published, editions of the book, I note that it has a different ISBN in addition to a different publisher name. I typically enter announced-then-canceled ISBNs as 8888-00-00 publication records under the rule referenced by Annie. Their presence in our database helps answer a common question: "Whatever happened to this apparent first edition? Why can't I find any copies for sale?" We all know how obsessed collectors can get when it comes to first editions and our database is frequently the only readily accessible place that explains what happened to a "disappeared" ISBN. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:51, 7 February 2024 (EST)
I've no argument with a publication record for an announced, but unpublished book. However, an unpublished book and an uncorrected proof are two different things. The notes on this record confuse the issue as to what the record represents. The addition of a cover scan and artist further confuses things. How are we able to display a cover of a book that was never published? I would suggest that the notes be reworked to indicate that a proof was done as evidence of the planned publication. We could replace the first two sentences with "The Bluejay Books imprint was dissolved late in 1986 just after an uncorrected proof for this planned edition was printed in September of that year." I would also recommend deleting the cover of the proof and rejecting the addition of an artist. I do worry that if we were to make an exception and allow a record specifically for an uncorrected proof when the book is never published, it would encourage the addition of other proofs and ARCs especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database. If others think this should be a valid exception to allow records for proofs, then we should document it in the scope page as is done with ARCs offered for sale. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:00, 7 February 2024 (EST)
That sounds like a plan and the proposed change in the notes sounds fine to me - that will make it clear that the record is here because the book was announced and not because it had an ARC/uncorrected proofs done. I am at two minds about the cover - if it was announced with the book, recording it makes sense as it may help trace it to an artist later on and as it is part of the record after all. But other from that - I agree that we need to be careful not to confuse ARCs and unpublished books per se - although when a publication fails through often varies so there are ARCs out there for books that do not make it - that one being an example. Maybe all we need is to strengthen the language to specify that the exclusion is for books that end up being published - thus allowing the usecase we have here without a concern. Annie (talk) 19:06, 7 February 2024 (EST)
I agree that the pub record should stay because it falls under "announced but never published" and agree with Ron that the problem with it as it stands is that the pub note gives the impression that the record has been created for the proof, not the unpublished book. Ron's tweak to the pub note solves this problem.
Further notes and suggestions:
1) I agree that mentioning the proof in the pub note is a good idea. It is evidence that the book was announced.
2) I definitely think the cover image should be deleted. It should either be omitted or of the final cover. The latter assumes the publisher reached that stage and that we could find the image. All very unlikely. The cover image is more than just the artwork; it's also the colouring, wording, layout and typography and those aspects of the proof cover clearly wouldn't reflect the final version.
3) I would delete the OCLC/WorldCat External ID and just mention it in the pub note because it refers specifically to the uncorrected proof and not the unpublished final work.
4) I'm ambivalent about importing the coverart record. It's clear from the cover of the proof that Ron Walotsky was the intended artist so this falls under "announced but never published" but it would need a pub note explaining the source and why there's no image.
5) I'm broadly against making an exception for including ARC's / proofs when the book was unpublished although I do see Annie's point of view. But I think it's an unnecessary complication and veers back towards Ron's point about "encourage the addition of other proofs and ARC's especially by those editors who surmise rules by examples of what is already in the database" which is something I strongly agree we want to avoid. Also, if we do permit this exception, how do we implement it? Does it mean we would have two pub records: one for the unpublished work and one for the proof? Teallach (talk) 07:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)
I've gone ahead and change the notes as discussed above. I've also moved the Worldcat number and the cover into the notes so that it's clear the record is for the unpublished work and not for the proof. I'll reject the held edit. Let me know if someone disagrees with these changes. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:47, 12 February 2024 (EST)

N. Carroll

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165703; The stories belong with the other Carroll but that ndp thing doesn't look right to me so maybe some other differing addition should replace it. --Username (talk) 23:58, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Author attribution on the three stories, initially credited to Noël Carrol, has been corrected. John Scifibones 07:57, 8 February 2024 (EST)
Thanks. I still think it's weird about that (ndp) because there's thousands of nom de plumes on ISFDB but this is the only one that has that added on the end of the name. --Username (talk) 08:28, 8 February 2024 (EST)
Well, we have some with (pseudonym) attached, and I'd think that'd be more meaningful (ndp isn't a colloquial abbreviation), or just a (I) attached. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:52, 8 February 2024 (EST)
I don't think we should use any parentheticals if we can avoid it. Since we have the (I) thing we already use extensively, I think that would be the best option for any that are currently using "(pseudonym)" as a disambiguator. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:20, 8 February 2024 (EST)
There are reasons why I chose to set the author up as Noel Carroll (ndp). However, it's not worth our time to debate. I have changed it to Noel Carroll. Not sure that the standards imply that Roman numerals are the preferred dismbiguator. Here is the applicable help section. Thanks for your interest, John Scifibones 14:06, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Karen Simmons

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1117998; She's the wife of Dan Simmons, credited for author photograph in the HC which can be seen on eBay, [3], art is likely by one of the regular Headline cover artists, Chris Moore maybe, but I don't see a signature. So her credit should be removed. I noticed a 2nd printing of the Headline PB on Archive.org which has that same art (and price) but different blurbs on top and bottom so I'm going to enter that now. --Username (talk) 10:37, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Hi! There's a primary verification by Faustus. It'd be meaningful if you contact him to shed some light on the actual credit. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)
Hi! There's no credit on the PB because there's no author photo like there is on the back of the HC. 2nd printing PB I just entered has no art credit. I'm sure someone here familiar with UK PB artists will identify it in some artist's book sooner or later but it's certainly not by Dan's wife. --Username (talk) 12:08, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Wesso

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5885644; Wiki says 1893. Anyone here who can find proof it's really 1894? I looked for a headstone but couldn't find one. --Username (talk) 13:49, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Story about the Premiere of Rite of Spring

I'm looking for the short story (probably from 1970s) about recreating the experience of the premiere of The Rite of Spring by giving all of the audience members a new drug. I believe this was in one of the better short story annuals of the era.

Most of my book collection is in storage, alas, so I can't find this by leafing through my old pulp. —The preceding unsigned comment added by Martycohen36 (talk • contribs) 17:38, February 8, 2024‎

Black Christmas

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?878255; While entering Wikipedia links for tons of novelizations I came across this rare 1976 one for the classic 1974 horror film. The original edition is apparently very rare because I've looked everywhere and can't find a copyright page that doesn't have the word FANGORIA on it because apparently Fangoria Magazine reprinted it in 2008 (although there is very little mention of this online). It does include the original info so I was able to enter the month (February, which is odd because you'd think it would be late in the year to capitalize on the holiday) but if anyone has a 1976 copy can you verify what it says on it? The film was Canadian and book says "Printed in Canada" so possibly it was only published there in which case the price will need a C added to it. --Username (talk) 09:18, 9 February 2024 (EST)

Riddle of the Exodus

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?185298; Not fiction, religious history book, https://openlibrary.org/works/OL8166080W/The_Riddle_of_the_Exodus?edition=key%3A/books/OL8566162M, probably should be deleted. --Username (talk) 11:30, 9 February 2024 (EST)

Deleted. I question if the author of the religious book is the same author as of the BattleTech books. I couldn't find anything on the religious author's sites that connect him to the BattleTech books. I will ping the active verifier for the BattleTech book to see if there is an author blurb. If not (or it indicates it is a different author), I will remove the the current author info from James D. Long. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:31, 10 February 2024 (EST)
Philfreund has confirmed the BattleTech book provides no biographical information on the author. I have removed the author info from James D. Long as it is more than likely a different person. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:28, 11 February 2024 (EST)

Mutant Chronicles

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250352; I replaced the cover; if anyone knows about the old one, whether it was an early one that was rejected or if it belongs to a different edition, a note about early art or a new record for the other edition if it exists would be good. --Username (talk) 20:09, 11 February 2024 (EST)

Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.

I need to make several changes to the pub records for Lieutenant Teasdale R.O.N.. The tp edition has a sole PV by the late Biomassbob but he somehow missed showing that Paula Goodlett is the co-author of the work. Amazon also shows the pub date for that edition as 2023-12-07, not 2023-12-02 as currently shown in the pub record. The 12-07 date makes more sense since all of the other self-published books by Gorg Hoff and Paula Goodlett have the ebook edition published the day prior to the tp edition. Any objection to my making changes? Phil (talk) 12:21, 12 February 2024 (EST)

Mistakes happen :) Go ahead - make sure the notes clarify where the date is coming from. And while you are there, we do not use "Independently published" as a publisher - so can you also fix that (author names are used when there is no publisher). I will sort out the other 2 we have under that publisher later today. Thanks for finding this one! :) Annie (talk) 13:44, 12 February 2024 (EST)
Done. I also corrected the title for the Interiorart maps record to match current standards. Phil (talk) 15:29, 12 February 2024 (EST)

Locus1 Secondary Verifications

Occasionally I come across pubs that have been SVd to Locus1 solely on the basis of their mention as the first edition of a later publication. The first one I encountered, as a very rookie editor, was this one: David Brin / Sundiver. I asked the SVer, Rtrace, about it and received this explanation. For the purposes of this thread I shall refer to these as "indirect listings".
The most recent one I have encountered is David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon and it is this pub record that has prompted this thread because there is a clear contradiction between the SV to Locus1 and the pub note "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)."
So my question is: should these indirect listings be allowed as SVs to Locus1? If I ruled the world I would not permit them because I don't think they conform to a general user's expectation of a Locus1 listing and they can cause confusion and inconsistencies as demonstrated by the Gerrold record. However, I do not feel strongly about this. I accept Ron's point that these indirect listings provide at least as much information as Clute/Nicholls and if the consensus is that they should be allowed then I can live quite happily with this.
However, if we do allow them then this Help page: Reference:Verification_Sources needs amendment. The matrix currently states that Locus1 provides "All" the information for fields such as Pages, Price and others but this is not true for the indirect listings. So either:
a) The relevant fields for Locus1 should be changed from "All" to "Some" (or maybe "Most").
or
b) A note should be added to the page explaining Locus1 indirect listings and clarifying that the values in the matrix for Locus1 only apply to full listings.
I prefer solution b).
Opinions please. Teallach (talk) 18:38, 15 February 2024 (EST)

An interesting point. So basically Locus1 has two types of records. One type covers editions published between 1984 and 2007 and includes publication details. The other type covers first editions (including editions published before 1984) and only lists their year and publisher. In an ideal world, we may want to create a separate Secondary Verification type for the latter and call it something like "Locus1-First Edition". Unfortunately, I am not sure it would be feasible since we have over 50,000 Locus1 verifications and separating them would be a very time-consuming project. If we decide not to do it, then I agree that we should update Reference:Verification_Sources to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data.
As far as cases like David Gerrold's Chess with a Dragon go, I would reword Notes. Instead of saying "Locus1 fails to list this pub (as of 2010-06-21)", I would say something like "Locus1 doesn't have a detailed record for this edition, but multiple records for reprint editions refer to it as the first edition." Ahasuerus (talk) 12:48, 16 February 2024 (EST)
Yes, I realised when I started the thread that if we disallow the Locus1 indirect listings there could be a legacy issue of past records SVd to Locus1 that would be difficult to amend. This is often a problem when rules and standards are changed. So although in theory I would vote to disallow these cases, I accept it is not practical to do so. Consequently I am happy with leaving them as they are and updating Reference:Verification_Sources to reflect the fact that not all Locus1-verified publication records can be expected to have publication level data, which we both agree with.
I am working on David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon and so will incorporate the change to the Locus1 pub note as you suggest. Teallach (talk) 17:08, 16 February 2024 (EST)
Hearing no objection, I have clarified the "Locus1" row of Reference:Verification Sources. Thanks for identifying this issue. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:12, 26 February 2024 (EST)
Thank you. Teallach (talk) 16:27, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Necronomicon in Sweden

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=d+bergho&type=Name; First name likely misspelled by PV (or magazine it appeared in) and essay is in second name's record with a much earlier date. --Username (talk) 23:47, 15 February 2024 (EST)

Garland Library of SF

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?8067; I made a couple of edits adding archived link, LCCN and cover image to Past Master when I noticed that there is 1 book in the series with a UK price and 1 without any price. So if anyone can fill in the missing one and add US one (moving UK to notes) for the other then everything will be uniform. --Username (talk) 09:44, 16 February 2024 (EST)

Lou J. Berger

The author has requested we change his canonical name from Lou J. Berger to "Lou J Berger" (no period after the "J"). See mod note here. Any objections? John Scifibones 15:32, 16 February 2024 (EST)

Checking Amazon.com's Look Inside, I see that the name was spelled "Lou J. Berger" in 2013-2014 and changed to "Lou J Berger" in 2015/2016. By now the majority of the stories use the "Lou J Berger" form of the name, so it should be our canonical name. We just need to make sure that we use the right form for the transitional (2015-2016) period. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2024 (EST)
Author attributions were reviewed and corrected resulting in compliance with the author's request. John Scifibones 15:16, 17 February 2024 (EST)

Locus on Microfilm

I recently added links to the handful of random print issues of Locus that are on Archive.org, one a very early issue and the others more recent, but I just stumbled on a huge cache of microfilmed 1973-2015 issues uploaded by MicrofilmIssueGenerator so I added a link, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5893289. Not sure if this is known about already but if not I'm sure it will come in handy here for research. --Username (talk) 19:39, 16 February 2024 (EST)

Server maintenance 2024-02-18 at 11am EST

The server will be down for maintenance later today (2024-02-18) between 11am and 11:10am EST. Ahasuerus (talk) 10:20, 18 February 2024 (EST)

The server is back up. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:06, 18 February 2024 (EST)

Sword of the Samurai

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5894874; I have owned a copy since the 1980s and PV it here in 2022, copy uploaded to Archive.org last summer but not added until a few days ago, I think I got the right page count but if anyone disagrees feel free to tweak it a bit, you don't have to ask me. --Username (talk) 11:41, 18 February 2024 (EST)

I see a note in the UK edition's record here says [236] so I think they counted the illustration between the first 19 pages and the start of the novel itself. Should that count? --Username (talk) 11:44, 18 February 2024 (EST)
I would count it one way or the other, either as part of the introductory material (so, technically on [20]) or as part of the main material. A page number on that first page of main text would have been a useful guide.... I found an eBay listing of the Puffin edition that has some interior photographs. Not of the page in question, but the TOC and other leading material looks identical to what Archive.org shows for the edition you have. Extrapolating that to content that follows it suggests Reginald did count that illustration as part of the main material. Given the [236] there, what I will do is tweak your count to [236] and add a note about the illustration's appearance relative to the text on the surrounding pages. Just trying to save you an edit cycle; feel free to adjust it to be however you prefer -- I do not mean to insist on anything. --MartyD (talk) 12:07, 18 February 2024 (EST)
Sounds good, thanks. --Username (talk) 12:18, 18 February 2024 (EST)

Bibliographic impact of the 2023 Hugo Awards

The current pre-release cover of Samantha Mills's debut novel The Wings Upon Her Back says "Nebula and Hugo Award Winner". On 2024-02-17 Mills disavowed the award and announced that she would have "Hugo winner" removed from future editions of the book:

  • “Rabbit Test” unwins the Hugo: ... on Tuesday I’ll send a very awkward email to my agent and editor summarizing the situation ... and figure out the logistics of removing “Hugo winner” from the ebook and future printings. The first print run will be a limited edition novelty, I suppose? Jeez.

This may not be an isolated occurrence since, as Samantha Mills wrote (among other things):

  • On February 14, a report written by Jason Sanford and Chris M. Barkley was simultaneously released on the Genre Grapevine and File770. ... we also got a look at the validation list itself, aka the tables of frontrunner nominees being vetted for the final ballot, and a horrible pattern emerged, especially in the fiction categories: there were a whole lot of Chinese nominees in frontrunner positions who just… vanished, and never made it onto the final ballot. There were so many, in fact, that if I am reading this document correctly: not a single fiction winner (short story, novelette, novella, novel, or series) would have even been a finalist if those nominees hadn’t been taken off.
  • There’s an indicator of why in the apology letter from the admin who leaked the emails and validation tables: “We were told there was collusion in a Chinese publication that had published a nominations list, a slate as it were, and so those ballots were identified and eliminated.”

From our perspective, this means that we will need to:

  • Update the “Rabbit Test” Award record to indicate that the author disavowed the award, similar to how this award record explains that Judy-Lynn del Rey's posthumous "Best Professional Editor" award was refused by her husband Lester del Rey.
  • Keep an eye on The Wings Upon Her Back to make sure that the correct covers are used for the first and any subsequent editions of the novel.
  • Be on the lookout for possible other announcements of authors disavowing 2023 Hugo awards.
  • Occasionally check "Worldcon Intellectual Property" announcements. On January 30, 2024 they issued a statement censuring multiple people "for actions of the Hugo Administration Committee of the Chengdu Worldcon" and said that "There may be other actions taken or to be taken that are not in this announcement." If and when they make additional statements about the Hugos awarded at the 2023 Worldcon, we may need to update our records.

Ahasuerus (talk) 12:55, 19 February 2024 (EST)

Earlier today Adrian Tchaikovsky disavowed his 2023 Hugo award for Best Series on his Web site. The award record has been updated. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:56, 21 February 2024 (EST)
These notes are exactly the correct action for us, I think. If we had notes for an award year, it would probably be desirable to add something for the 2023 Hugos. Although, getting a properly neutral description of the controversy free of personal biases (and I have many in this instance), would be tricky. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
One of the challenges that the 2023 Hugos present is that it's still a developing story. What we knew 10 days ago is very different from what we know today. Perhaps we'll learn more in the future.
For example, back in late January I came across a re-post/translation of a Chinese fan's comments about the Hugos. The post stated that the fan had been involved in the Hugo process (committee member?) and that he or she had a conflict with Chinese members of the Hugo committee with various accusations flying back and forth. At the time I had trouble parsing the post, in part due to lacking context and in part due to the quality of the translation. In retrospect it may have been related to the following email sent by Dave McCarthy on June 7, 2023 at 6:18pm (https://drive.google.com/file/d/1_QqmsxQkACoYcxSx2LVqbxD39-DJI_gS/view), which says:
  • Tomorrow I have a 4 hour meeting with my chinese counterparts to look at ballot detail and determine if any ballots are to be voided
Perhaps either this fan or other members of the 2023 Hugo committee may clarify matters at some point. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2024 (EST)
It would especially be useful to note that the nomination totals and the EPH points appear to be completely unreliable, since those are noted in each nomination award record. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
One thing that comes to mind is that we could change the way opening sentences are phrased. Instead of the current "1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category" we could say something like "According to the voting statistics released on 2024-01-20, there were 1674 valid ballots cast, 944 valid ballots cast in category". It's not much, but it would at least clarify which version of the stats our records use. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:20, 22 February 2024 (EST)
I've added your suggested text to the records in the Best Novel category. In addition to the ballot count at the head, I've also added it to the nomination numbers at the foot. I think it's more important there as that is where there is evidence of shenanigans. In any case, let me know if it looks good and I can update the remaining records or we tweak it if desired. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)
Everything looks good, thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)
I recall that award year notes has been suggested before and there may be a feature request, though I suspect that how the award tables are structured may make this difficult. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
Yes, indeed. FR 1086, "Change the award year field to a drop-down list", says "Create a new record type for award years. We can call it something like "award year" or "award ceremony". Once we have it, we will be able to add notes to award years. Notes can be used to specify when the awards were announced, when and where they were given, eligibility rules changes, etc." Unfortunately, as you said, it would be fairly time-consuming to implement. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)
In any case, I do have one suggestion for the del Rey award record. We currently have the explanation of the non-acceptance of the award noted in the title field of what should be an untitled award. Perhaps we didn't have award level notes at the point that award was added. I feel that the verbiage in the title should be moved to notes and replaced with "untitled". --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:57, 22 February 2024 (EST)
I agree. It's exactly as you said -- award records didn't have a Notes field back then. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:12, 22 February 2024 (EST)
I've updated this and expanded the comment as a note taking my queue from Judy-Lynn's Wikipedia article. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:26, 27 February 2024 (EST)
Thanks. I have hyper-linked Lester del Rey's name and clarified that he was Judy-Lynn's husband. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:40, 27 February 2024 (EST)

Kater-Bound

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?22308; On all of the web there seems to be only 1 mention of Borgo Press and Kater-Bound together, https://www.lawrenceperson.com/?p=22429, although it does get a handful of hits in a text search, https://archive.org/search?query=%22kater-bound%22+%22borgo%22&sin=TXT&sort=-addeddate. This Archive.org page, https://archive.org/search?query=compton+farewell+bliss&sort=-addeddate, shows 2 editions with one being Borgo but with price on front covered and Kater-Bound sticker on back. Could this be the mysterious Borgo HC mentioned in the book's record? Also, the note about artist is wrong because he's credited on copyright page and back cover, the latter of which can be seen in the cover image. TP PV doesn't respond much so I'm asking on this board. --Username (talk) 13:09, 19 February 2024 (EST)

The Archive.org copy is a library book, and Kater-Craft does library bindings. I believe it is not uncommon to have a retail hardcover edition and a library-binding hardcover edition of the same book. --MartyD (talk) 17:44, 19 February 2024 (EST)
Believe it or not, I have library hardcover versions of Ace Doubles. All should be listed in my opinion. MLB (talk) 01:00, 20 February 2024 (EST)

Miriam Allen de Ford

Per the Spaces in Names subsection of Template:PublicationFields:Author, Miriam Allen de Ford should be standardized as Miriam Allen deFord. However, we have a Miriam Allen de Ford alternate name which was recently edited so the notes copy the rules saying it should be standardized. Instead, I propose we merge the alternate name to the canonical name in accordance with the rules. As there are a number of verified pubs, I will point the verifiers to the this discussion, If there are any objections, then we should probably have a Rules and standards discussions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:28, 19 February 2024 (EST)

I guess it would be like calling somebody named MacIntosh being called Mac Intosh. Still, I'll go with the majority. MLB (talk) 00:58, 20 February 2024 (EST)
No objection to merging, but I think the actual spelling of the name should be made clear in the notes. Linguist (talk) 04:06, 20 February 2024 (EST).
No objection, I had three pubs, two in Croatian language I already corrected, but I have also one in Serbian language. In Serbian language names are written as they are pronounced, in this case same as written. Should I change this one as well? This is publication in question: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2277217 —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Debolestis (talk • contribs) .

Ruben De Anda

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1476655; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2552505; Can anyone find proof that these are the same artists? --Username (talk) 19:45, 20 February 2024 (EST)

I don't know. But The Galaxy Primes (Ace 1976) appears also to be signed by R. De Anda. Horzel (talk) 08:52, 23 February 2024 (EST)
Probably is but since last name is mostly covered it's hard to tell. PV Willem H. noted that it may be Rafael M. De Soto but I doubt it because he has no original cover credits on ISFDB after 1964 and this book is from 1976. There's a copy on Archive.org which I've added a link to in a PENDING edit. --Username (talk) 09:44, 23 February 2024 (EST)

Steve Miller: RIP

For those who may not have seen an announcement, Steve Miller, co-author of the Liaden Universe, et al., died on February 20, 2024 at his home in Maine. His wife, author Sharon Lee, posted this obituary. Phil (talk) 07:41, 22 February 2024 (EST)

I added photo from FantLab which is a little bigger and shows his face better than Fantastic Fiction's photo. --Username (talk) 17:42, 22 February 2024 (EST)

Last User Activity

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?895338; What does this mean exactly? There was a question of contacting this PV RedDragonBooks about something related to a mod note I made and checking their page the last answer they gave or contribution they made was in spring of 2022 but the activity at the bottom of the record linked above says a few days ago. --Username (talk) 09:03, 22 February 2024 (EST)

There are two databases: The wiki and the bibliographic database. What you see for User Contributions on their user/talk page is just their Wiki edits. What you see for Last User Activity in the verifiers' list is the date of their last activity in the bibliographic side -- the Wiki software does not know about that, only about the Wiki. That user did some verifications on 2024-02-18 but hasn't posted anything to the wiki in the past couple of years. --MartyD (talk) 13:56, 22 February 2024 (EST)
Just a quick note to clarify that the software that displays the Last User Activity date checks both the Wiki side and the database side. It then displays the latest date that it finds. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:36, 22 February 2024 (EST)

Ermengarde Fisk = Evelyn E. Smith?

One of my friends pointed me at issue #10 of the 'zine Oopsla, specifically page 13. The "SHORT STORIES" section says: 

 Third goes to another brand-new author, Evelyn E. Smith ... is better known to fandom as the pseudonymous authoress of the "New York Letter" column in Slant--yeah, that's right, she's Ermengarde Fiske.

As I don't know what the accuracy of fan writing was like nearly two decades before I was born, I don't know how reliable this info might be. Any objections to varianting these author records? ErsatzCulture (talk) 13:49, 23 February 2024 (EST)

We already have a pseudonym there: Evelyn Smythe (intentional corruption of Evelyn Smyth E.?) which I think is based exactly on the note you cited above. I am not sure if we have enough evidence to connect the two Evelyn E. Smith's though - while very very likely, the name is not very uncommon. Maybe add some notes to both accounts until we find a better proof that the two are one and the same? Annie (talk) 14:50, 23 February 2024 (EST)
Never mind, I looked at the fanzine itself now - you actually missed the smoking gun while quoting - that award over there is for a story that belongs to Evelyn E. Smith (Tea Tray in the Sky) - so yes, they are the same person. Connect them away. Annie (talk) 14:54, 23 February 2024 (EST)
This is now done. Had a bit of a headscratcher with Ermengarde Fiske having its own alternate names, but I think everything is now correct, with all the authors pointing at Evelyn E. Smith as the canonical, and all of the title records having parent titles with that author record. However I wouldn't say no if someone wants to double check that everything is now as it should be. Thanks! ErsatzCulture (talk) 13:44, 27 February 2024 (EST)

J. Watson

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?224483; What do you suggest is best to add to differ 1966 Thunderbirds artist from Leading Edge writer/artist? He's on Wikipedia so I'll add that link (as Jim Watson). --Username (talk) 19:48, 24 February 2024 (EST)

See Help:How_to_separate_two_authors_with_the_same_name for ideas. Looks like "James Watson (1960s)" would work here and might be more helpful than "(I)". The situation is quite similar to the Jame Cooper examples given in that bullet. In light of the disparity in volume between their bibliographies, I think you could treat the James Watson from the 1980s as "more prominent/widely known in the Spec-Fic world" and leave it with no embedded disambiguation. --MartyD (talk) 12:04, 25 February 2024 (EST)
OK, thanks. --Username (talk) 12:30, 25 February 2024 (EST)

Tem Title

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?67830; Archived link to recently uploaded Chrysalis 9 HC just added by me in a PENDING edit, PV doesn't respond much, PB has one or two active PV so if they can verify it's Hit-and-Run there, too, not Hit-and-Miss, title should be changed. I vaguely remember asking about this long ago after noticing title was different in Tem's online bibliography. --Username (talk) 15:32, 25 February 2024 (EST)

The Hole of the Pit

https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal/Archive/Archive53#Uncanny_Banquet_and_Leisure; Exactly a year-and-a-half ago I asked about Uncanny Banquet and noted the rare novel contained in it; a copy of the Oleander Press edition including the novel with a short story and a poem was recently added to Archive.org so I've added a link in a PENDING edit. Still waiting for a copy of that anthology to show up somewhere...anywhere. --Username (talk) 18:55, 25 February 2024 (EST)

Series sort order?

I was looking at a page for a series and couldn't figure out the basis for the order of the sub-series. First come the numbered sub-series, in numerical order. Then the 'loose' items in chronological order. Then come the unnumbered sub-series, which are neither alphabetical or chronological by any of their contained titles. Is there a particular order to them? ../Doug H (talk) 09:04, 28 February 2024 (EST)

The only order that the display software enforces is as you described above: all numbered sub-series are displayed first and the rest are displayed randomly. I think it would be fairly easy to display unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
(after edit conflict) A more thorough review discovered that Summary pages were already sorting unnumbered sub-series alphabetically. I have adjusted the software to do the same on Series pages. Thanks for identifying the problem! Ahasuerus (talk) 18:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
Since series tend to be written in order, displaying the unnumbered titles in chronological order may make more sense. Although, sub-series wouldn't have a date and extrapolating the date from the earliest contained title would be more complex. Perhaps, numbered items followed by unnumbered sub-series followed by everything else in chronological order. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:34, 28 February 2024 (EST)
Could you please clarify what you mean by "items" in this case? Series may contain both title records and sub-series records. They use different, unrelated, numbering systems. For example, a series may contain 3 titles numbered "0.5", "1" and "2", as well as two sub-series numbered "1" and "2". Ahasuerus (talk) 19:36, 28 February 2024 (EST)
I intended items to mean both title records amd sub-series records, either of which may be numbered. What I was suggesting is that within a series (parent), each numbered item would display based on the numbering. In your example, there would be a conflict as there are both titles numbered "1" and "2" and sub-series numbered "1" and "2". Ideally, we would never assert that both a title and a sub-series should occur first in the parent series. Clearly, numbering only applies within the parent series. I believe that for numbered "items", I am not suggesting any changes to how things currently work. I had suggested a chronological sort for the remaining items based on your now corrected statement that they were displayed randomly. Given that we're already sorting alphabetically, it's probably fine to leave things as they are, unless others think a chronological sort would be preferable. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:13, 28 February 2024 (EST)

BattleTech Universe

The BattleTech Universe series and it's sub-series all list having an Issue Grid, which suggests they are Serials / Magazines. They look like books to me. Is it a mistake in the software or entry? Might the existence of one Serial in the series propagate? ../Doug H (talk) 09:12, 29 February 2024 (EST)

Yep - if there is one magazine series somewhere in the sub series inside of a bigger series, the whole set and any sunsets of it shows the grid links. It is how the software is built. Annie (talk) 10:00, 29 February 2024 (EST)
Good catch. Bug 842, "Extraneous 'View Issue Grid' links on series pages", has been created. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:15, 29 February 2024 (EST)

Database Backup

Can you please save the database with InnoDB utf8mb4 so accented and Chinese characters will show up correctly? As it now with MyISAM utf8, Иван Константинович Айвазовский shows up as ИванКонстантинович Айвазовский. It makes it hard to work with the database and makes it a lot larger than it has to be. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Catpoolfan (talk • contribs) .

For historical reasons -- the ISFDB project started in 1995 -- ISFDB tables use "latin1_swedish_ci". You can see it if you run "SELECT TABLE_CATALOG, TABLE_SCHEMA, TABLE_NAME, TABLE_COLLATION FROM INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES" in MySQL. Non-Latin-1 Unicode characters are stored in the database as HTML entities. When you see "й" (i.e. "&#1081") displayed, that's because that's what's stored in the database.
There are plans to migrate from HTML entities to native Unicode, but it will be a major project with a number of dependencies. There is no ETA at this time. Ahasuerus (talk) 10:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)

I Stole You

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisheryear.cgi?60942+2017; A copy of Tripping... was recently uploaded so I added a link and the stories' numbers, there's also supposedly a copy of Ringman's collection but when I saw the red hardcover I knew that couldn't be right and it wasn't; it's a copy of some old romance novel by Jane Aiken Hodge. I checked all the usual sites but can't get contents page of TP so if anyone can or owns a copy fill in the page numbers if you wish. --Username (talk) 17:40, 1 March 2024 (EST)

Mandarin

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905095; Is anyone familiar with Mandarin paperbacks who can say why ISBN on back cover doesn't match any other Mandarin PB on ISFDB which (almost) all start with 0-7493? This book's ISBN, 0-09, seems to have been used by Cresset per online searching but there is no mention of them anywhere in it; a couple of Cresset Editions books on ISFDB do have an ISBN which starts with that. --Username (talk) 13:14, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Donkerste Dag

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5905146; Nico Richter has 1 credit on ISFDB for a German Neil Gaiman edition but here he's credited for design. Sheila Metzner is a famed artist and I don't know what Ortikol is so if anyone thinks any of them should be entered as cover artist they can do that. --Username (talk) 14:12, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Shadow Regions

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?295434; The woman who ran the publisher whose imprint put out this anthology, Tammy Perron, apparently was a crook who didn't pay most of the authors or even give some of them copies which is detailed in the link from Absolute Write that I added some time ago. In September 2023 some mysterious person uploaded a copy on Archive.org and it was finally added a few weeks ago (I stumbled on it completely by accident) so I've added a link in a PENDING edit along with the price and the stories' numbers. Maybe it was one of the authors using their own copy because this seems a very rare book with WorldCat not finding any copies; there's only 1 sad review on Goodreads where one of the authors crows about having a story in it...little did he know. According to ISFDB only 3 of the 20 stories have been reprinted since it came out nearly two decades ago so if anyone was interested in reading it you should do so because you never know if old Tammy may crawl out of the woodwork to have it taken down. --Username (talk) 18:55, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Adam L. G. Nevill canonical name

I think it is time to swap the canonical name here to Adam L. G. Nevill. Any objections? Annie (talk) 15:18, 4 March 2024 (EST)

We have 8 book-length works as by Adam Nevill and 8 book titles as by Adam L. G. Nevill. All books published over the last 5 years have appeared exclusively as by "Adam L. G. Nevill". SHORTFICTION: 8 as by "Adam Nevill" and 27 as by "Adam L. G. Nevill".
Given the numbers and the timeline, I think it's fair to say that "Adam L. G. Nevill" is the most recognizable form of his name within the genre as of 2024. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:19, 4 March 2024 (EST)

The Under-People

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3046564; https://archive.org/search?query=the-under-people&sort=-addeddate; No reason for this to be here, it's one of dozens of junk science "non-fiction" books by Norman/Steiger published back in the day. I think it should be deleted. --Username (talk) 23:52, 4 March 2024 (EST)

Collection contents question

When adding contents to a collection which is authored using a variant name, if there is no indication to the contrary, should all the content titles be attributed to the variant author name and then be made a variant of the canonical author name titles if they do not exist? Example: The Witching Hour. The collection author is James Gunn. The copyright page shows the content copyrights as by James Gunn. The included content titles only exist as by the canonical name James E. Gunn. Should these be changed to being authored by James Gunn and then made into variants? Phil (talk) 09:28, 5 March 2024 (EST)

Yes. Remove the three fiction titles, add the three new titles and variant to the canonicals. John Scifibones 09:57, 5 March 2024 (EST)
Done. Thanks.Phil (talk) 11:05, 5 March 2024 (EST)

Hautala Covers

I was entering edits for Rick Hautala books, found Jacobus signature on Moon Walker so Tim Jacobus was entered as the artist; Little Brothers, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?20465, has a name or initials on the lower right, can anyone find out who that is? --Username (talk) 10:45, 5 March 2024 (EST)

ISFDB Server downtime -- 2024-03-06 at 6pm

The ISFDB server will be down for maintenance on 2024-03-06 between 6:00pm and 6:15pm EST. Both the database and the Wiki will be unavailable. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:13, 6 March 2024 (EST)

The server is back up. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:05, 6 March 2024 (EST)

Simulacrum

Tonight I accidentally ended up on the archived SpecFicWorld site which used to be a major hub of speculative fiction but seems to have entirely disappeared from the modern web (whatever you do, don't type specficworld.com on Google and click the link whose description is "Daftar Situs Agen Judi Slot Online Terpercaya Resmi 2023"; that will NOT lead you to what you're looking for). Only issue #9 of Simulacrum, edited and published by the guy who ran the site, Doyle Eldon Wilmoth, Jr., has an archived PDF link but while searching, as I usually do, for random text from an archived story on Google to try and find out if there are any modern sites that still include it I got one hit, the late Tanith Lee's site daughterofthenight.com, because that issue included a reprint of a story by her from Interzone Magazine. That led me to this, https://archive.org/details/@zatoichi01?query=simulacrum&sort=title, which, according to Galactic Central, is the entire 14-issue run. I rarely enter magazines but any self-moderators who don't have to wait for approval can probably do these quickly without much trouble since the contents are a mixture of reprints which will need importing and originals (or at least they're not on this site). There are many well-known authors and artists included. --Username (talk) 23:59, 7 March 2024 (EST)

I'll take a look at it and see what I can do. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:48, 8 March 2024 (EST)
I have through issue 10 entered. I'll finish up with the remaining four later. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:35, 8 March 2024 (EST)
I've entered all 14 issues now. You can see them here. I did not combine the years into editor series because there are only 14 issues so leaving them all separate makes it easier to get to them (one less click-through). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:32, 12 March 2024 (EDT)

Neglected moderation

Last time I changed something in ISFDB it took days to get a single non-controversial change accepted with hundreds of pending changes. Now it takes weeks with thousands of pending changes. When looking a the recent changes I see lots of self acceptance and accepted automatic changes, but only little moderator activity.

Remembering that it takes at least 4 or 5 rounds to add all information for a translated book that amounts to waiting multiple months for a single book.

If you don't want contributors anymore then say so clearly! ATM I'd wonder if you find people sticking with ISFDB for a longer time with that situation.

To give you an indication how this should go: I added a new word to Wiktionary, it took 4 minutes for first reaction and 1:15 to reach the final entry. --Stoecker (talk) 16:31, 8 March 2024 (EST)

Longer approval times have definitely been a problem lately. Currently we have 1976 pending submissions, 1137 of them by User:Username (many are straightforward additions of archive.org links to publication records), 124 by User:Fixer (a robot account) and the remaining 715 are by other editors.
That said, the ISFDB editing process is very different from what Wikipedia and its offshoot projects use. The latter are much easier to edit, but the quality of the end product varies tremendously. I wrote/rewrote dozens of Wikipedia articles in the mid-2000s, but eventually concluded that trying to keep articles accurate and coherent was going to be prohibitively time-consuming. I occasionally peek to see what has happened to them and their current state is pretty bad. For example, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mensheviks is full of confused nonsense.
We added the ability to self-approve a few years ago and we are slowly expanding the number of editors who can do so. Hopefully it will help matters going forward. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:56, 8 March 2024 (EST)
Well, my request to do so was simply ignored. --Stoecker (talk) 10:10, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
Nominations require support from other editors/moderators before they can be approved. If a nomination doesn't gain enough support, it is not approved. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:01, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
Which is an endless loop. Because moderators don't care I want self-moderation. But for that I need moderators to care which they don't. An unreachable goal. --Stoecker (talk) 10:05, 23 March 2024 (EDT)

Heide Oberheide

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?127989; I left a PV a note telling them that a T. Canty credit for Parke Godwin's novel Beloved Exile was actually by Oberheide so that will need fixing but another problem I found is that her page at The Paperback Palette says she was born in Canada in 1957, both very different than what ISFDB says. So does anyone know what the real info is? --Username (talk) 22:48, 9 March 2024 (EST)

Found this and this, which both agree on 1943 and Germany and have enough differences that neither seems to be the source for the other. They both strike me as fairly authoritative, especially that first one. --MartyD (talk) 11:23, 10 March 2024 (EDT)

Tales of Terror

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?291626; I added a link to the back cover image on Bookscans in a PENDING edit and noticed there are some copies on eBay which show the first page, 5, with "The Facts in the Case of M. Valdemar" as a title, which means this shouldn't really be a novel but rather a collection of Poe stories adapted by Sudak. Does anyone own a copy who can verify the page numbers of the other stories so they can all be entered? --Username (talk) 12:13, 13 March 2024 (EDT)

Cover artist data entry rules updated

Please note that the "Artist" section of Template:PublicationFields:CoverArt has been updated to reflect current practices. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:02, 14 March 2024 (EDT)

The Message

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1471825; Obscure author and publisher but not obscure enough that it didn't get a Chinese translation, https://archive.org/search?query=brockman-robin&sort=-addeddate, in case anyone fluent wants to enter that; just don't title it The MASSAGE like the uploader did. --Username (talk) 18:37, 14 March 2024 (EDT)

YouTube audiobooks in or out?

I've placed this submission on hold because I'm unsure if YouTube audiobooks should be included here since they are generally not downloadable (instead being streamed). The rules include audiobooks, but also exclude "[w]orks published in a web-based publication and available exclusively as a Web page" (which is pretty much what a YouTube video is), and they say nothing about podcasts. Thoughts? Should this be a Rules and standards discussion? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:42, 20 March 2024 (EDT)

They are out under the exclusion as they are not downloadable. However we need to extend the Audio-book section of the inclusion section to match the ebooks/electronic publication one above it a bit - especially around podcasts which are not considered magazines for example. So maybe starting a discussion to clarify what audio-materials we want to index is the best choice (while keeping that one on hold until we decide what we want to do) :). Annie (talk) 15:09, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
Okay, moved it over there. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:33, 20 March 2024 (EDT)

Barcodes with prices hiding in plain sight

A lot of printed books have prices on their back covers hiding in plain sight. If you look at a barcode on the back cover, next to the ISBN, usually over the smaller barcode next to the ISBN one, there is a number sequence - for example 51595 or 51699. That means $15.95 / $16.99 (5 is the code for $, the rest is the price). The first example is from a book I pulled from my shelf (not genre), the second is from an Amazon book. As back covers are very often visible in Amazon (separately or as part of Look Inside), that may help with adding prices (with an appropriate note) even when Amazon and other retailer have their own ideas on what the price may be (or at the very least it can serve as a confirmation for the Amazon price). It is not there for all books (90000 is a very common code up there) but for the books that have it, it is as good as the old printed prices.

I propose to add this tidbit of information to the Price field help. Meanwhile, I am leaving it here for information :) Annie (talk) 17:21, 20 March 2024 (EDT)

Good idea to add this to the Help. I have sometimes used this for prices. You might like to expand the note to explain other currencies. The smaller 5 digit barcode is the supplementary section of the barcode and contains a EAN-5 code. The first of the five digits is a currency code. If the first digit is 9, that means the supplementary section does not contain price information. It's explained in this Wikipedia article. Teallach (talk) 18:28, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
Yep - we should add all the codes when we are adding the note to the help page. Thanks for the link to the Wiki page - I knew it was there, I did not think to look it up earlier today :) Annie (talk) 18:41, 20 March 2024 (EDT)
I agree that adding a section about EAN-5 codes to Template:PublicationFields:Price would be useful. We could list the commonly used first digits:
  • 0 and 1 -- UK
  • 3 - Australia
  • 4 - New Zealand
  • 5 - US
  • 6 - Canada
and explain special pseudo-price values, i.e. that "9999" means "100.00 or more" while "90000" means "no price given". We could then link to the Wikipedia article or an industry Web page for other scenarios. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:06, 20 March 2024 (EDT)

Webzines to include?

Hello. I have two new pub submissions on hold as they pertain to new webzine entries. Do we want to include these?

Looking through the contents, I say we can include those. Not sure how long-lived these are going to be though... Comments/suggestions from other editors & moderators whether to include or not? (didn't look for past discussion where webzine inclusions were debated...) MagicUnk (talk) 15:35, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

Both produce issues and both are genre -zines. So they are eligible under the "Webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note that online periodicals without distinct issues are not considered webzines)." rule. How long they survive is irrelevant - even if they produce a single issue, they are in. However, these records will need some massaging post approval :) Annie (talk) 15:41, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
Thought so. The help text says to post and query the editor community - we may want to update that and instead clarify that if a webzine has distinct issues, it is in by default? MagicUnk (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
Probably an oversight (we forgot it was there?) after we changed the ROA awhile back to include these. Which of the help pages?
PS: Note that awhile back we even dropped the requirement for the webzine to be genre allowing non-genre ones to be added as any other non-genre periodical (with only genre contents indexed). So yep - a webzine with issues is always in under the genre magazine rules or the non-genre periodical ones. Annie (talk) 16:22, 21 March 2024 (EDT)
Here - see webzine in that section. MagicUnk (talk) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
Ah, the one place I did not look at. :) Yep - that needs an update. I will start a discussion so we can get the language crafted. Annie (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
Here we go - the proposed new language. Annie (talk) 11:26, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
Rules of Acquisition has it as you mention above - we may want to add non-genre periodicals role there explicitly. MagicUnk (talk) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
We do not have them called out in the print periodicals section either but if you think we should clarify that across the board, I won't object. Let's finish the audio-formats discussion we are currently having about changes in the same section of the ROA over in R&S and then I will initiate a discussion about this. Annie (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
As an aside, I must say that I couldn't find the ROA immediately - I think it is an important section of the rules. Shouldn't we be adding a link on the main help page? MagicUnk (talk) 11:00, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I know to look under Policy but you are right, it needs to be a lot more visible here - either as a sublink under the ISFDB Policy link or on its own in the same section. Annie (talk) 11:08, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I've added a specific link to it on Help:Contents, which is found at the top of most help pages. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:18, 22 March 2024 (EDT)

ISFDB:Verification requests

The ISFDB:Verification requests board is not used much anymore. It seems ISFDB:Help desk and this board have pretty much supplanted it. Do we want to discontinue it? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:17, 22 March 2024 (EDT)

How about we can turn it into a broader board instead: "Assistance needed/Project Assistance Required/Something along these lines" for example - when an editor starts a project and notices other things that need adding/fixing or finds a source that may be useful and is unable/unwilling to work through it, they can request assistance there. Looking at CS, about half of the posts there in the last couple of years are from that nature and they choke the actual discussion threads and make it very hard for people to notice that something was posted in the discussions. It will be the counter-part of the Help Desk - come to the Help Desk if you want help getting the work done and learning how to do it; come to this board to post a project that needs work but you cannot/don't want to work on. Annie (talk) 14:59, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I'd be fine with that. I agree this board has gotten rather full lately, making it hard to keep track of things. So maybe change the title to ISFDB:Assistance requests or something? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:11, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I like the idea. "Assistance requests" may be a bit too narrow for what we are trying to define, but it's the closest that I can think of at the moment. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:46, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
I like "Assistance Requests". If we ever come up with a better name, we can rename and forward. And we have the text under it to add a sentence that describes the scope better. Annie (talk) 15:53, 22 March 2024 (EDT)
"Help Wanted" ? ../Doug H (talk) 09:47, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
I think that there is potential for confusion between "Help desk" and "Help Wanted". Ideally, whatever name we come up with should clearly differentiate between the two boards. Ahasuerus (talk) 10:08, 23 March 2024 (EDT)
Maybe "Research Requests" or "Research Assistance"? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:45, 24 March 2024 (EDT)
I like "Research Assistance". Ahasuerus (talk) 15:13, 24 March 2024 (EDT)

(unindent) Are there any objections to changing ISFDB:Verification requests to Research Assistance? Ahasuerus (talk) 17:12, 4 April 2024 (EDT)

I'm okay with that. MagicUnk (talk) 06:10, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
If there are no objections, I will ask Nihonjoe to make the change tomorrow. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:50, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
De we want it to be ISFDB:Research Assistance to Research Assistance? The other can be a redirect. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:54, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
Probably ISFDB:Research Assistance in order to stay consistent with the majority of other "major" pages. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:05, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
Since there are no objections, please feel free to go ahead and move ISFDB:Verification requests to ISFDB:Research Assistance when you get a chance. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:45, 6 April 2024 (EDT)
Moved! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:31, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
Thanks! I have updated the main Wiki page and everything looks good. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:37, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
The Description up in the panel at the top of all the community boards still say "Help with bibliographic, image credit, and other questions which require a physical check of the work in question.". Annie (talk) 11:49, 8 April 2024 (EDT)
Updated, thanks! The new wording is "Help with bibliographic projects", which is a bit bland and non-specific, but I couldn't think of a better way to summarize the purpose of the new board. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:49, 8 April 2024 (EDT)

Jim/James Burns

I just added a link and did a few other things for the 33rd YBSF edition, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2012677, and searched for others with James Burns as cover artist; only 34th came up, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2209443, but as can be seen PV of TP and HC entered it differently. So maybe consensus about which is "better" should be reached and credits merged. --Username (talk) 18:45, 27 March 2024 (EDT)

Lovecraft Collaborations Book

I was starting to add the audio book edition of this title and discovered that publisher has provided a copy of the pdf version of the book. While we don't have a record for the pdf (it has a different ISBN than the eBook), there are several discrepancies between it and our records. I also have questions other questions about how this title is reflected and while none of the publications are primarily verified, there have been several editors who have touched these records. I thought I'd reach out for comments before proceeding with changes.

  1. We have the title as an ANTHOLOGY and list both the editor and Lovecraft. All the stories are credited to Lovecraft with various co-authors. Personally, I feel that these sorts of collection of collaborations are better typed as COLLECTION as was done with this title.
  2. The title page lists the credits as "By H.P. Lovecraft" over "Edited and Annotated by Finn J.D. John" in smaller type. We have both names in the author field. Since we have this as an ANTHOLOGY, this labels them both as "Editors". Lovecraft clearly didn't edit this book. As I feel this should be listed as a COLLECTION, I also feel that only Lovecraft should be listed in the author field. If the consensus is that it's an ANTHOLOGY, then we only list John.
  3. The stories are listed with both Lovecraft and his co-author on their title pages, whereas we have them all listed by the collaborating author alone. So I intend to swap out which variant of these titles is included. I don't thin this is controversial.
  4. There is a short essay before each section giving biographical details of each co-author. I intend to add these. While not signed, I think we can safely attribute them to John by virtue of his annotation credit.
  5. The PDF lists 5 different formats each with their own ISBN including the "Interactive PDF". Should we add the PDF as a separate title record, or should the PDF ISBN be added in the notes for the ebook edition? I'll also note, that my understanding is that we do list page numbers for pdfs whereas we do not for ebooks.
  6. I'm fairly comfortable that these changes should apply to the 2018 publications based on the 2018 pdf. I'm less certain whether I should make changes to the 2017 edition, or the 2019 omnibus, i.e should we assume the story credits and biographical essays are present in the other editions not listed in the pdf?
  7. I assume adding a note about the PDF being included with the audio book is sufficient rather than duplicating the contents showing the story exists twice (audio and text).

I'd appreciate other's thoughts on these questions. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:29, 28 March 2024 (EDT)

My mild opinion is that both this and the example you cited should be ANTHOLOGY. They are different from the case where most of the stories are written by Lovecraft alone, with one or two written by him and someone else. While both are Locvecraft-centric, they are primarily showcasing the work of a wide variety of authors. I agree with everything else in your list. --MartyD (talk) 19:55, 31 March 2024 (EDT)
I'm afraid I would still prefer these as COLLECTIONs. If we were to convert them to ANTHOLOGY, we would need to list the editor as the sole author which would move these collections out of Lovecraft's bibliography. I had only cited one example, but there are many similar collections, many of which are verified. For example, see which collections containing the story The Green Meadow. It is contained in two true anthologies. Aside from the 4 editions of the title we're discussing, there is but one other {{P|848648|publication} typed as a ANTHOLOGY. All other publications were entered as COLLECTION or OMNIBUS. In some of these cases, we don't necessarily have the editor and would likely need to move these titles to the uncredited bibliography page instead of Lovecraft's. Beyond the Wall of Sleep is another interesting example. There about 10 "collaborations" in this collection which is a minority, but it is more than one or two stories. If we decide to type these sorts of books as ANTHOLOGY, where would we draw that line? My last point is that it appears to me that these books are published to appear as Lovecraft collections with his name listed more prominently than any editors (if they are listed at all). If we are to reclassify these publication, I'd like to hear from some of the other verifiers. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:23, 1 April 2024 (EDT)
Since there have been no further responses to this, and the one objection was "mild", I'm going to proceed with these changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:34, 13 April 2024 (EDT)

"Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches" enhanced

As per the recent Rules and Standards discussion, the cleanup report "Publication Title-Reference Title Mismatches" has been enhanced to require an exact match between publication titles and their reference title records' titles. New data will become available tomorrow morning.

We are looking at around 10,000 mismatches, so the cleanup effort will be significant, especially considering the fact that many affected publication records have been primary-verified. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:07, 4 April 2024 (EDT)

Canonical name change Charles Eugene Anderson from Chuck Anderson

Any objections to making Charles Eugene Anderson the canonical name and Chuck Anderson the alternate?

  • 17 titles credited to Charles Eugene Anderson.
  • 09 titles credited to Chuck Anderson.
  • 01 title has publications credited to each.

Thanks, John Scifibones 07:51, 5 April 2024 (EDT)

Go ahead, obvious case where the switch can/need to happen MagicUnk (talk) 09:28, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
Hearing no objections, done. John Scifibones 18:45, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

David (B.) Mattingly

Looking through the works credited to Mattingly, it seems to me that "David Mattingly" is the most common (by far), and has been for a long time. There are so many entries, though, this opinion is based only on quickly scanning through the list. Is there a way to get a count of each through database queries? I don't think any of the other aliases are used in a significant amount. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:58, 5 April 2024 (EDT)

Just with search and a browser search: 510 with the name David Mattingly; 747 under the canonical; 198 of these 747 of them are "only as by David Mattingly". Just based on that, how we record the names from secondary sources for artists and the fact that the new ones are always without the B. when we get access to the book, I would say it is time to flip the names. I am not volunteering to do it though. :) Annie (talk) 18:58, 5 April 2024 (EDT)

(after edit conflict)

The easiest way that I can think of is to run a few Advanced Title Searches using "Author's Name is exactly David Mattingly". Make sure to click "Get Count" instead of "Get Results". Here are the results that I see:
  • David B. Mattingly: 747
  • David Mattingly: 510
  • Dave Mattingly: 12
  • D. B. Mattingly: 7
  • Dave Maddingly: 1
  • D. Matingly: 1
  • Mattingly: 2
  • David Burroughs Mattingly: 1
Since David B. Mattingly is the current canonical name, it's over-represented. Every "David Mattingly" COVERART/INTERIORART title has a "David B. Mattingly" parent title, but only some of the latter have actual publications associated with them. Firefox tells me that the Summary Bibliography page has:
  • 79 instances of "also appeared"
  • 8 instances of "also as"
  • 132 instances of "only appeared"
  • 207 instances of "only as"
What this means is that 339 canonical titles have only appeared under an alternate name. Another 87 have been credited at least 2 different ways. 339+87-12-7-1-1-2 is 403, which, unless I am missing something, gives us a rough count. I'd need to run database queries to get a better idea, but it looks like "David Mattingly" is slightly ahead of "David B. Mattingly".
P.S. Perhaps what we need is a new menu options to generate this kind of data on demand. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:03, 5 April 2024 (EDT)
That would be cool. Another cool thing would be if we could figure out a way to programatically automate the process of changing canonical names (maybe have a side menu link that appears whenever viewing an author entry). The link would take you to a page where you'd enter the current author ID and the target author ID. We'd have to account for variants on the author name, title variants, and translations (and probably a lot of other things that I'm not thinking of off the top of my head). For situations like this, it would save tons of time in the long run. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:37, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
This functionality has been requested a couple of times. Unfortunately, it would be very difficult to implement in a way that would guarantee completeness and accuracy. Not only would the software need to change the way VTs and Alternate Names are configured, but it would also need to change dates (for some titles) and Notes.
Perhaps we could implement something less ambitious but still useful. For example, "Undo all Variants for This Author"? Ahasuerus (talk) 14:22, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
Yeah, it's definitely very complex. I like the "Undo all Variants for This Author" idea, though. What about a "swap canonical authors" option on individual titles? That would be a lot less complex and allow for easier catching of potential issues. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:48, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
I don't see the benefit of an "Undo all Variants for This Author" tool. A variant title only needs to be broken if both the canonical title and the variant tiles have publications attributed. If all the publication(s) are associated with the variant title, a simple merge is the best option. Not only does it save a step by not having to delete the old canonical, but it saves all the information. Some data is only stored in the "parent title", plus any edit history. John Scifibones 15:38, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
I'm slowly working through all of them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:42, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
I have completed moving all the records to David Mattingly. I think someone else was moving them, too, so thanks to them, too. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:32, 22 April 2024 (EDT)
Joe, thanks for sorting this out. I noticed Zapp was helping you. John Scifibones 19:38, 22 April 2024 (EDT)

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The Prequel Trilogy

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934500; I have a question about the publisher of this 2007 Star Wars omnibus; there is no mention of Ballantine in the book so it should be similar to the last one on this list, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=del+rey&type=Publisher, but without the SFBC. Should I change publisher to LucasBooks / Del Rey? --Username (talk) 11:30, 7 April 2024 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934540; I changed publisher on this one since they were still with Ballantine in 2000. --Username (talk) 12:22, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934546; Another change from 2005 when they were still together. I don't see any cover artist credited that someone entered here or any sign of the excerpt mentioned on the book's copyright page. EDIT: One of the earlier editions has a note here saying they got artist from his site. --Username (talk) 12:31, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934585; Another one from 2006; this one actually has a PV so I'll leave them a message. --Username (talk) 13:12, 7 April 2024 (EDT)
And a final one, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5934586, 2005 HC, PV is gone so no need for a note. --Username (talk) 13:18, 7 April 2024 (EDT)

Semaphore

https://www.lulu.com/fr/search?contributor=Marie+Hodgkinson; While adding PDF story links from Tartarus Press at their old freepages.pavilion.net site the last one I linked was a story by Rebecca Lloyd that was entered here as original to her 2014 collection but was actually published in 2007 in a magazine called Semaphore, no issues of which are on ISFDB, but I found that Lulu page above so anyone who likes entering magazines can add a lot from that. The editor has a page here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?143960. --Username (talk) 13:41, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

https://web.archive.org/web/20240000000000*/semaphoremagazine.com; PDF of some (all?) issues at this site. --Username (talk) 13:50, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
Looks like it has archived PDFs of all but the last issue (issue 15) from June 2011. I'll work on these. The first issue is now here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:32, 9 April 2024 (EDT)
Okay, I think they're all entered (15 issues in total). I also found a couple anthologies collecting the stories and poems voted best by readers of the magazine. I don't know if there were more than the two anthologies. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:33, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
Excellent. Only thing I think you forgot is June 2008's cover artist. --Username (talk) 14:07, 10 April 2024 (EDT)
Fixed! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:11, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

David Ireland

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?3106; I just made edits adding the Allen Lane HC of City of Women and adding a link to Mortal Fire where the 1982 short story is from and noticed that the Wiki page makes no mention of any art so I think the famed Australian novelist and the artist are 2 different people. --Username (talk) 10:28, 11 April 2024 (EDT)

Canonical name change Jody A. Lee from Jody Lee

The artist's website and SFE use Jody A. Lee. While the majority of her early work was credited to 'Jody Lee', the shift to 'Jody A. Lee' is clear. Here are the current statistics.

  • 111 titles credited to Jody A. Lee.
  • 73 titles credited to Jody Lee.
  • 26 titles hasve publications credited to each.

Are there any objections to making Jody A. Lee the canonical name and Jody Lee the alternate? John Scifibones 14:24, 11 April 2024 (EDT)

Sounds good to me. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:41, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
No objections here. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:47, 11 April 2024 (EDT)
Hearing no objections, done. John Scifibones 17:47, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
https://ixgallery.com/artists/jodylee/; Here's her photo in case someone wants to upload it to the wiki. --Username (talk) 17:58, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
✓Done! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:28, 17 April 2024 (EDT)

ISBN hyphenation changed

As I am sure most of you know, different publishers' ISBNs are hyphenated differently. Possible permutations include:

  • 978-1-64973-127-2
  • 978-1-9821-9317-1
  • 979-8-200-29585-2
  • 979-10-281-0150-3
  • 979-8-9856919-6-2

"The International ISBN Agency" maintains a list of rules which determine in which positions hyphens are supposed to appear. Almost all publishers follow them, although there have been some exceptions, notably Tor prior to 2007.

When ISFDB 2.0 was developed in 2004-2006, the rules -- as they existed back then -- were manually incorporated in the ISFDB software. What we didn't realize at the time was how complex the rules would become over the course of the following 20 years. As the number of publishers (and self-publishers) exploded, the International ISBN Agency had to create more and more rules to accommodate the growth and the ISBN handling part of the ISFDB software, which was last updated in 2010, fell hopelessly behind. The result was that many ISBNs were hyphenated incorrectly when displayed on ISFDB pages.

Earlier today I deployed a fairly big patch which changed the way the ISFDB software determines where hyphens are displayed. We now follow the International ISBN Agency's current rules to the letter. There is also a way to update our rules programmatically whenever the Agency rolls out new rules. I expect that we will be doing it a few times a year, which will let us stay more or less in sync with the Agency. (We also have special exceptions for Tor and the other 2 publishers which didn't follow the rules prior to 2007.)

As always, if you come across any issues with this software change, please let me know. Ahasuerus (talk) 14:07, 16 April 2024 (EDT)

Thanks for all your hard work behind the scenes on stuff like this. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:03, 16 April 2024 (EDT)
To quote Damon Knight, I am here to serve man! :-) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ahasuerus (talk • contribs) .

Publication Title Without a Related Title Record

I am about to create a new pub record under That Hideous Strength by C. S. Lewis. There is a subtitle on the title page so the full, correct publication title is: That Hideous Strength: A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups. Looking at the title record I see there are five publications (three of which have been PVd) with this subtitle. However, they do not have a related title record "That Hideous Strength: A Modern Fairy-Tale for Grown-Ups" and consequently there is no varianting. Is this correct and if so why? Teallach (talk) 18:42, 17 April 2024 (EDT)

It is not correct. The publication title should match the reference title. This report highlights 1000 exceptions each day (I don't know the selection algorithm). First determine, subtitle or no subtitle, which should be the canonical? It's also a good idea to review the publications and make sure they are recorded correctly. Whichever you determine, it will be a multi-step edit. Ask if you have questions. If I'm online, ping me and I'll approve as you submit. John Scifibones 20:14, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
You have confirmed my suspicions. The cleanup report to which you refer does not include "That Hideous Strength" so I guess it's because it is limited to 1000 records. I'm happy to clean up this title. I'm satisfied that "That Hideous Strength" (without subtitle) is the more appropriate canonical title. I have inspected the five pub records with the subtitle and each looks internally consistent. Three of these have PVs. Do I need to consult with PVs or can this sort of housekeeping be performed without PVs' consent? Teallach (talk) 12:42, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
It's not necessary to contact the PV's. You're merely correcting the reference title. I know you intend to perform all the steps and will indicate such in the note to moderator. I noticed this title wasn't on the report. Perhaps Ahasuerus will chime in and explain the algorithm determining which titles to report. John Scifibones 15:45, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
First step submitted: Unmerge titles. Teallach (talk) 16:26, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
Approved, John Scifibones 16:33, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
Step 2 submitted: merge the 5 reference titles of the subtitled version. Teallach (talk) 17:12, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
Approved, John Scifibones 17:17, 18 April 2024 (EDT)
Step 3 submitted: make subtitled version a variant of canonical title.
Think that's it for the pubs but I can see there's more work to do:
A) These two pubs: Macmillan 1966 and Macmillan 1977 have the variant title but the same canonical coverart title records. So I'm pretty sure these need to be changed. The only way I can see to do this involves five more edits:
Step 4) edit one of the pubs (1966, say) and create a second coverart record under the variant title
Step 5) variant the coverart record
Step 6) import the variant coverart record to the 1977 pub
Step 7) remove the canonical coverart record from the 1966 pub
Step 8) remove the canonical coverart record from the 1977 pub
Is there a more efficient way to do this?
B) Those same two pubs contain an essay Preface (That Hideous Strength) which has a disambiguator under the canonical title. Does the disambiguator have to be changed to the variant title. I'm unsure about this because the phrase is only a disambiguator; it's not actually part of the title of the essay. Can you please advise.
My goodness, this is long-winded! Teallach (talk) 18:11, 18 April 2024 (EDT)

(unindent)
Submit two edits for each pub. (All four at once)

  • Submission 1 - Add the new variant titles, COVERART and preface.
  • Submission 2 - Remove the canonicals.

Since these submissions will generate change notices, reference this conversation in the note to moderator. After I approve all four, I'll perform the two merges. You will just need to link the variants. John Scifibones 18:48, 18 April 2024 (EDT)

Yes, I see where you're going with this. About the same number of edits but fewer Wait For Approval stages. Four edits submitted. Teallach (talk) 07:12, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
Approved, John Scifibones 07:22, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
Two Make Variants submitted. Teallach (talk) 07:52, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
I've checked all the affected records and everything looks good to me apart from one error that must have been present before we started the cleanup: the date of the canonical title of the Preface (correction submitted). So I think we've finally reached the end. If there's anything I've missed, let me know. Many thanks for all your assistance with this John. Much appreciated. Teallach (talk) 16:34, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
Fortunately, there is a scan of the first edition in the internet archive. I added the preface and a link to the scan here. As you know, the canonical is dated to the first appearance, even if it is as a variant. I put your submission on hold, assuming you would rather cancel than have me reject it. I enjoyed working on this with you. Ping me anytime. John Scifibones 18:43, 19 April 2024 (EDT)
Oh, that's interesting. It hadn't occurred to me to look for an archive of the first ed because I had looked in Currey who states the following regarding the first Pan pb (1955): 'adds new author's "preface"'. So it's possible that there are two different prefaces. This requires more research which I don't have time to do now and may not have the resources anyway. But it's fine to leave the ISFDb records as they are for now; they are all self consistent. I have cancelled my submission. Teallach (talk) 04:46, 20 April 2024 (EDT)

Trademark markings in titles

My understanding is that we generally don't include symbols like ® and TM in titles because they usually indicate information about the title but are not usually part of the title. As JLaTondre wrote in 2012, "There is distinction between a title that has a '®' or 'TM' as part of the title and a title that adds the '®' or 'TM' for legal reasons." I'm asking because I ran across this title that has one as part of the title, and I don't think it's actually part of the title itself, but rather added for legal reasons. This might be something we should clarify on Help:Screen:Title. This was discussed way back in 2007, but I haven't yet found any more recent discussions (outside of the 2012 one I mentioned above). Thoughts? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:51, 23 April 2024 (EDT)

I'm the editor with the sole PV for that ebook pub. I have no objection to removing it since the trademark symbol really only applies to the "Liaden Universe" portion of the title. It is on the title page and cover that way. Clarification of the rule would be a good idea. Phil (talk) 13:44, 23 April 2024 (EDT)

Supermonsters

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2600565; I added Supermonsters as a variant (and subbed a better cover image) but it's from 1986 like the German parent so if anyone can find a copyright page scan which verifies the month is earlier the American cover would become the parent; I couldn't find one, but I do see on eBay that Archway released a much earlier PB in Sep. '78 with a photo of the cool American-added demon from the 1950s film Night/Curse of the Demon on the cover but the 2 sellers that showed the copyright page have editions that say 1 2 9 8 below the printing info; whether that's a number line or what I don't know but if anyone owns a copy you may want to enter yours. --Username (talk) 09:47, 24 April 2024 (EDT)

Ray Daley possible death

It's possible Ray Daley has died, though I haven't found an obituary or any other official report. He was in the hospital since the end of March due to a heart attack, and a number of people are posting condolences on an open call group on Facebook as well as on his profile there. I'll try to keep an eye on it and keep looking for an obituary or other official report. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:01, 24 April 2024 (EDT)

日本SFファンドム賞 (Japan SF Fandom Award) entry completed

It took me almost a year to do it (due to various things distracting me from it), but it's done. Please let me know if anyone has any questions. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:51, 24 April 2024 (EDT)

And related, I've completed entering the recipients of the Takumi Shibano Award. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:42, 24 April 2024 (EDT)

Shadow People

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3356; Long-gone PV of C$ Dell ed. entered just "Jones" as artist here, one or the other should be decided on and the 2 merged. --Username (talk) 09:43, 26 April 2024 (EDT)

Joshua T. Calvert / Joshua Tree

Hi! Along with updating the author records I have brought the installing of the first name as a pseudonym for the second on the way (incl. the varianting to the respective original titles). This was based on the information given at the German Wikipedia, which discloses the pseudonym. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:31, 29 April 2024 (EDT)

As a point of reference, Amazon.com uses the same author photo on the Joshua T. Calvert page and the Joshua Tree page. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:01, 29 April 2024 (EDT)
Okay, these have been varianted and everything is under this entry now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:52, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
Checking Stonecreek's pending submissions (moderator only), I see a number of Make Variant submissions which suggest that the books that we have on file were originally published in German as by "Joshua Tree". We'll presumably need to reverse the canonical/alternate name relationship, which should be easy to do since we have only 2 titles as by "Joshua Tree" at this time. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:26, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
Okay, I've swapped the information and approved (I believe) all the related pending submissions. I'll work through the others in case there are more. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:18, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
Thanks! Ahasuerus (talk) 18:30, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
I have entered all English language "Joshua T. Calvert" pubs that Fixer was aware of and linked them to their "Joshua Tree" parents. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:21, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

Le Splash!

https://archive.org/search?query=splash+don-ian; French edition of the mermaid movie novelization in case anyone fluent wants to enter it. --Username (talk) 22:56, 30 April 2024 (EDT)

That may be how it was credited. It's currently varianted. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:53, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
Um, I think Joe's response may be for another subject. --Username (talk) 11:10, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
Yup, not sure which one mine was for. Sorry for the confusion. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:57, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

Additions to verified publication

hello mods! I am going to submit a few little additions (printing month, pub series name, external ID) to this book, which was primarily verified by Chavey, whose talk page says to post inquiries about modifications at the moderator board. Can I submit? thanks! - --Fantagufo (talk) 08:13, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

Go ahead and submit them, then post here again. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:17, 3 May 2024 (EDT)
Done! Here is the submission. After approval I'll add my Primary verification. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fantagufo (talk • contribs) . 10:50, 3 May 2024‎ (EDT)
Approved. Here's the entry now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:00, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

Server maintenance -- 2024-05-07

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ETC, etc.

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubs_not_in_series.cgi?76479; I found an Amazon image for Smoke's horror PB Deliver Us from Evil, a book I remember seeing and probably reading back in the day, so I added it in an edit, but no photos of the copyright page seem to exist so if anyone owns a copy/can find photos the month (and maybe cover artist?) can be added, too. Also, his earlier novel Atlantean Document seems very scarce with no cover I can find anywhere or any archived copy although there is evidence online that it was translated into Italian as "Il Cristallo di Atlantide" and a few cover images of that edition are online which show artwork that includes ADOLF HITLER so I assume the book ties into the occult beliefs the Nazis espoused; can anyone find a cover for the English-language edition? Finally, the other book from ETC on ISFDB, Vampires Are, https://archive.org/search?query=vampires-are+kaplan+kane, is "non-fiction" by a guy who was the founder of the Vampire Research Center and who wrote other junk like Amityville Horror Conspiracy and probably shouldn't be here, maybe it should be deleted and the review in Fangoria changed to a non-genre review. Any thoughts? --Username (talk) 09:11, 8 May 2024 (EDT)

Can't help with the covers, sorry, but if this can help: The Atlantean Document is not about Nazis belief: The synopsis (in uraniamania.com) for the Italian translation says that the story is about a crystal, thousands years old, which contains instructions to achieve weather control, and the secret agencies fighting to possess a complementary second crystal. --Fantagufo (talk) 10:05, 8 May 2024 (EDT)
I agree with your assessment of Vampires Are: it's not genre. I've removed it and changed the review to a standard essay. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:22, 8 May 2024 (EDT)
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