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Narrator template


Just wanted to let you know that we added a new template to record the narrators for audiobooks ({{Narrator|Stefan Rudnicki}} for example). I changed it here and also added the Audible ASIN :) Annie 17:03, 15 January 2019 (EST)

Will you STOP that!!!!! Every time I turn around you people are changing this or updating that! Good Grief, don't you people have lives? I know I don't, but still... Okay, thanks. :) MLB 17:31, 15 January 2019 (EST)
Naah, not going to stop at all - if we stop, the world will stop turning! And what is that "life" you are talking about? Now you will make me go and pull my dictionaries... :) It is similar to the translator template - the idea is that one day when we have "other people responsible for this work/pub" kind of thing, this will make it easier to find and migrate these. :) Annie 17:36, 15 January 2019 (EST)

The Indexes

These should be January-December (the previous year) - look at the few I have on hold - they have the CURRENT ISSUE disambiguation so when you change the year to the previous year, it does not make sense... For example this one should either be "Index (Asimov's, Volume 40, January - December 2016)" or "Index (Asimov's, January-February 2017)" (which means that it is the in Jan/Feb 2017 issue... Making it Jan 2016 does not make sense. Or am I missing something? Annie 03:08, 17 January 2019 (EST)

It was late at night and I was tired. No excuse, but I will fix in a little bit, as I am on my way out of the house. MLB 11:34, 17 January 2019 (EST)
I was wondering if it was not just a half-asleep brain ( mine or yours.) :) Thanks! Annie 11:48, 17 January 2019 (EST)
The new set you just sent have the same problem: this should either be "January 2015" or "January-December 2014". "January 2014" does not make sense at all for the 2014 list published in January 2015. Annie 20:51, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Please tell me I got it right this time. I must be loosing my mind. MLB 22:26, 17 January 2019 (EST)
Yep, perfect - there was a missing comma in one of them but I added it so they line up. Annie 01:16, 18 January 2019 (EST)

Last Dance of the Lochkray

Hi, I have put the submissions for this on hold. wondering how it's possible that the review precedes the title by eight years (!?). Christian Stonecreek 04:37, 30 January 2019 (EST)

I found ~on Goodreads that the title was first published in March 2005, and changed the title record as such.--Dirk P Broer 06:52, 30 January 2019 (EST)
Thanks very much, Dirk. I approved of the submissions. Christian Stonecreek 07:12, 30 January 2019 (EST)

Asimov's Readers' Poll Results

While adding the finalists for this year's Asimov's Readers' Poll awards, I noticed that we did not have the full poll results for 2017 nor 2018. Unfortunately the magazine's website only lists the winners. The SFADB also seems to be missing the full results for 2017 and, curiously, the novella results for 2018 (they have the others). I was wondering if the editorials announcing the results, in the September/October issues for each year, happen to publish the full results. If so, would you mine either updating the awards for those years that we still have as finalists. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:26, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Holee Kow!!! I've been editing here since 2012 and I didn't even know this was on the site!!! So much to keep learning about ISFDB. Don't even know how to update this. Will start searching immediately. MLB 19:58, 10 February 2019 (EST)
Happy to introduce you to something new. If you have any questions about how to update the awards, feel free to ask. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:08, 10 February 2019 (EST)

Anything But Empty

I accepted your edit to add Anything But Empty to the db, but you will also need to add the short story as contents as this is a chapbook. Thanks. PeteYoung 06:32, 15 February 2019 (EST)

Tags for Translator in pub notes

Hi. I thought one was a copy/paste thing, but I've run into another. Don't include




tags around the


(and similar templates) in the notes. These are flagged as not-allowed HTML, and they're not needed. Thanks. --MartyD 22:18, 20 February 2019 (EST)

Fine. I was only following instructions from previous moderators. They gave me the formula to follow. See here and here. MLB 01:04, 21 February 2019 (EST)
It looks like there's been some confusion. The
tags were included to make it (the example template) appear correctly when viewing the template here on your talk page. Those nowiki tags make the wiki (which this talk page is part of) not interpret the {{TR|NAME}} template as an actual template here in the wiki. Only the {{tr|NAME}} part should be used. I hope that makes it more clear. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:36, 21 February 2019 (EST)
Yeah. MLB 00:06, 22 February 2019 (EST)

The Devil and Daniel Webster

Hi. You entered and verified a copy of the 1965 HRW edition, P490250.

Concerning whether this is a reprint of the 1937 edition:
Moments ago I added the 1st ed. (Countryman Press, 1937) submission from contemporary newspaper coverage mainly, but also a WorldCat record that reports page-span 13-61, which matches your report. See also the last bullet item.

HRW was created by 1960 merger of Henry Holt, Rinehart & Company (successor to Farrar & Rinehart), and John C. Winston. So it would hold their backlists.

28-year renewal of the 1937 copyright must be expected in 1965, the year of your publication. But you note that it states only 1937 copyright. --Pwendt|talk 23:00, 25 February 2019 (EST)

ASIN vs Audible ASIN

Hi, I just corrected invalid ASINs for a title where you merged a title, The Bantam: A Phantom Traveler Novella. I assume the wrong codes were either entered by you, or became wrong codes because of the merge. What did I need to correct? There was a ASIN given that was in fact the Audible ASIN and on the palce of the audible ASIN there was a 10-digit string. Both ASIN and Audible ASIn can't be 10-digit strings. The correct ASIN for 'The Bantam: A Phantom Traveler Novella' is B078VTQWL2 (see the ebook), the correct Audible ASIN is B07N49BHWZ (see the audiobook). Now I'm left with '1551171342' which is not a OCLC number, nor an ISBN. Do you have a clue?--Dirk P Broer 05:16, 27 February 2019 (EST)

No. Get rid of it. MLB 06:36, 27 February 2019 (EST)

Buy or Die: There Cometh a Time of Ruthless Advertising

All looking better) now. Annie 21:13, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

Five Victorian Ghost Novels

1. A\The Phantom Lover

Hi. You verified this 1971 Dover omnibus in some undated printing, P381181. Please check whether it does contain "A Phantom Lover" under variant title "The Phantom Lover". The library records we cite for the original 1971 printing both show the original title "A Phantom Lover": LCCN 77-102771, which you cite in the Notes, and WorldCat OCLC 876263121, indirectly in a quoted 2018 GoodReads review. --Pwendt|talk 13:28, 18 March 2019 (EDT)

British Library also reports "A Phantom Lover", BL 000375769.
2. The Amber Witch. We should also know what info Dover provides concerning this text of "The Amber Witch" --translator, year, and more if available. Sources differ concerning the year and we have both 1844 and 1846 titles in the database, T1365996 as a NOVEL and T1146197 as a short story. (Our one publication record for the latter shows that the work must be a short story, most likely an excerpt from one unrevised translation --or minimally revised, to present the excerpt adequately by itself.) --Pwendt|talk 14:13, 19 March 2019 (EDT)
Okay, this is one of my first edits on this site and a lot of crap has has happened around here since then, including two deaths, and a lot of sicknesses, so to be honest, I don't, at present, know where that volume is at. I'll look for the book, but, it'll take a while. Change what you think needs changing, and I'll go on a scavenger hunt when I can, and when I find that book I'll fix anything that needs fixing. I'll change the verification in the meantime. MLB 17:28, 19 March 2019 (EDT)
I am sorry to read about all that. I am familiar only with the part about owning books that are not at hand, so I don't do much verification here. --Pwendt|talk 18:18, 20 March 2019 (EDT)

Allan Quatermain

Here P578321 is one that you are likely to recall, I infer from your deliberate publication Note, "Misspells Quatermain's name as Quartermain on the cover" (with image that shows that stray 'r' on the spine). To me you imply correct spelling on the title page, so that the publication title and NOVEL title as "Quartermain" are mistakes, for your F. M. Lupton edition.

We have several publications of that NOVEL with two spelling errors in the title, "Allan Quartermain: Being and Account", presumably propagated by copy-paste from no more than one intentional entry of a mis-spelling. I don't propose to touch yours unless you recall that no mis-spelling is intentional.

If/when you find the book, it may provide helpful information about the publisher F. M. Lupton --most likely a street address. I have 7 different ones from 1880s to 1900s, gathered today in somewhat-related research. --Pwendt|talk 18:36, 20 March 2019 (EDT)


Sorry, but I was the one who corrected the erroneous submission for an ANTHOLOGY. This is impossible per ISFDB standard. I'll wait until tomorrow but it seems that a new erroneous submission would have to be rejected. Stonecreek 15:14, 29 March 2019 (EDT)

Well, this is certainly not a chapbook, so how does one list it? Maybe as a collaboration? One piece of fiction by one author, in a book filled by different authors certainly seems to fit the definition of an anthology to me, even if the other pieces are there to explore the themes of that one piece of fiction. Anyway, I'm not being hostile, I truly would like to know how to list this type of book, as there are plenty of them out there. I have read books like this dealing with Lovecraft, and James' The Turn of the Screw.
This also leads up to a second question. There are a LOT of sequels, prequels, and spinoffs of Carmilla. They should be put into a series, but Carmilla is already part of a series . . . so how would one go about organizing these stories. Some of this is above my pay grade y'know. Maybe "Carmilla Universe", and then make Martin Hesselius the parent series? Just trying to be a better editor. MLB 18:14, 29 March 2019 (EDT)
It really seems to be a CHAPBOOK: after all the shortfiction by Le Fanu (who is defined as author as per title page and cover) takes more than half of the space (ANTHOLOGY is ruled out per our definition of it). Stonecreek 02:06, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
Yeah, but half the space, it's a two hundred page book, is taken up by extraneous material. This is not just a couple of forewords or afterwords. These are full-length articles/criticisms. I can't see a two-hundred page book filled with multiple authors rendered down to a chapbook. Still, I'm just a lowly editor, but, the rules are the rules, and if the rules say it's so, what do I know. Time to move on. Lots of indie authors that need to be on this site. I think. No big deal. MLB 02:33, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

The Carol Singer

A quick question about your verified "The Carol Singer" by Chris Fox. The Locus Index says that it is the same story as "The Carol Singer" by Chris Naylor which appeared in The Young Oxford Book of Christmas Stories in 2001. However, the Naylor story is currently listed as having been first published in 1988 while our database record says that the Fox story was first published in December 1998.

When you have a free moment, could you please check your chapbook to see if it contains anything that may shed additional light on this issue? TIA! Ahasuerus 13:08, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

I'll look, but it wouldn't matter I fear, the pamphlet was just some loosely folded pages that were meant as a give-away. As I stated in my note, there is no date. I got it when a story of mine was rejected. If other sources state that the original publishing date is 1988, then that's what it is. However, shouldn't the Fox and Naylor pages be merged? MLB 21:19, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
Well, the fact there was another "Chris Fox" active around the same time made me wonder if Locus may have been mistaken. My thinking was "Perhaps the two Carol Singers shorts are two separate stories by two different authors". However, their theme is the same, the word count is close - 2 pages vs. 4 unnumbered pages -- and the FictionMag Index also thinks that Chris Naylor used "Chris Fox" as a pseudonym in the late 1990s and early 2000s. I ended up creating VT/pseudonym associations for the two stories. Now to make sure that our bibliography of the latest addition to the "Chris Fox" brigade is up to date. No rest for the wicked :-) Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:35, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

Signal Red

Hi Mark, I accepted your edit to add Signal Red, but I'm bothered by "Penguin Global" as the publisher as I can't find reference anywhere to this being an actual Penguin imprint. Amazon Look Inside shows the pub as having "First published by Penguin Books India 2005" on the copyright page. Can you clarify where Penguin Global comes from? Also, the ISBN-13 is for publications from 2007 onwards. The pre-2007 ISBN-10 for this pub is 0143032623 (according to Amazon). Thanks. PeteYoung 23:35, 2 April 2019 (EDT)


Cover images should be uploaded using the "Upload new cover scan" option on the publication. If you are adding a new publication, you should wait for the publication to added and then upload it using the link. The link will properly name the image as well as apply the correct templates. When uploading non-cover images directly to the wiki, you need to manually apply a license tag to the image. Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki provides instructions for this. Looking at your contributions, you have a lot of images that need to be fixed. Please go through your history and apply the proper templates. If they are not appropriately marked, they are not complaint with copyright. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:53, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

Well, somebody should have explained this before. But, ignorance is no excuse for incompetence, so if you go here could you check and see if I’m doing it right? MLB 01:02, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Wiki edits are not moderated. Unfortunately, that means things like this can be missed for awhile.
As for this edit, that is not sufficient. You need to edit the page and add an appropriate image license template (they are listed in the help page I linked above). For this author image, I would assume you would use the fair use one (Template:Author Image Data), but you need to pick the correct one based on the true copyright status (so fair use, by permission, public domain, create commons, etc.). Once you pick the right license, go to the license template page (they are all linked on the help page) and it will give you the instructions for what you need to enter on the image page.
I moved your post from my talk page to here. It is easier to keep conversation grouped and I have watchlisted this page. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:55, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
This all boils down to whether or not I understand computerese. Perhaps I overstepped myself. Well, okay, I DID overstep my boundaries. I did this but I know its wrong, and/or I don't know how to link it to anything. MLB 22:14, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Sorry for not making it simpler. You don't edit the template page. You edit the image page and copy the template to it. So edit Image:Trevor.jpg and replace the text contents with:
{{Author Image Data
|Name=Trevor Quachri
|Source=[ Analog Science Fiction and Fact website]
That will add the template, with the correct parameters filled in, to the image page. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:09, 25 April 2019 (EDT)
Well, it looks like your job is still safe from me. It all seems like magic to me, but is this correct now? Sorry to take so long. I got caught by some ransomware. MLB 20:51, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
Yes, it's correct. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:54, 2 May 2019 (EDT)

The Girl Who Was Burned Alive

In Tales of Magic and Mystery, March 1928, the essay The Girl Who Was Burned Alive is credited to Howard Thurston, but varianted as by Walter B. Gibson. However, Thurston and Gibson are different people. As there no note indicating the pub had an incorrect credit, is this variant correct? -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:52, 4 May 2019 (EDT)

I know nothing. I was looking at somebody's messages and they had mentioned that Gibson had ghost written Thurston's stuff. I'm more that willing to be wrong about this, but see this from where I checked. If you want to change it back, I'm fine with it. MLB 16:28, 4 May 2019 (EDT)
I've seen sources saying that Gibson ghostwrote two of Thurston's magic books. This is entered as an essay. Is that correct? Does it say it's by the magician (as apposed to another Thurston) or state it's reprinted from somewhere? Also, the one pub has it listed as "Burned Alive" and the other "Buried Alive". Can you double check that as well? -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:44, 11 May 2019 (EDT)
The pulps were pretty shifty when it came to giving credit where credit was due. So I don't know if the Thurston article was an article or an excerpt. This is something that an expert in magic could tell you, which I am not. But, I suspect that if Gibson ghost-wrote Thurston's books, then he probably did Thurston's articles as well. My copy is in storage, but Amazon states that the article is BURNED alive, and I copied my submission directly from the replica itself (which I got for the Lovecraft story). Being unable to drive, when I can get to my storage container I'll double check, but not right away. Family, you can't choose 'em. Again, until there is proof positive, maybe the article should be changed back to just Thurston with a note on the writer's page. MLB 20:46, 11 May 2019 (EDT)
I have merged the two stories under "Burned" since that is what you verified it as. However, please double check when you have a chance. Other sources quote it as "Buried" and Amazon listings are not the most accurate. I found other sources that state this was ghostwritten so I have left the variant in place with a note to that affect. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:36, 12 May 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for Noticing

Nice of you to notice I became a moderator. Thank you. I think it would have been impossible if Michael Hutchins was still active; he and I fought constantly when I first started participating. But Ron Kihara and I got together at the Windy City Pulp and Paperback Show this year, and he offered to nominate me. I was curious to see what would happen, and lo and behold, now I'm a moderator. Bob 13:57, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

Well, we keep running into each other when it comes to pulp fiction and the small presses. I just wish I had the money, and room around here, to buy more. Good luck. MLB 19:36, 15 May 2019 (EDT)

Doubled back cover

Hi, there were two of them here. I dropped the incorrect one and put the other one into the page count. Christian Stonecreek 10:42, 20 May 2019 (EDT)

HTML coding

Hi, can you please take a look at how to properly make a bold italic text using html? I have corrected umpteen of these today.--Dirk P Broer 22:17, 29 May 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. No hard feelings. Always willing to learn to do better. MLB 22:26, 29 May 2019 (EDT)
I hope that I got my last two entries correct this time. MLB 22:56, 29 May 2019 (EDT)
No problems with the HTML. If only you'd stop using double bullets....--Dirk P Broer 04:51, 30 May 2019 (EDT)
Mom said I'd be trouble when I grew up. I'll try harder. MLB 04:53, 30 May 2019 (EDT)

"War of the Giant Apes" merge

Hi. I accepted your War of the Giant Apes merge, but the submission had an issue with the length. It wanted to lose the SHORTFICTION/novella length in favor of NOVEL, but the record is a variant of another SHORTFICTION/novella parent, so that would have been a mismatch. I took a look at the appearances and only verification we have, and it seemed to me that SHORTFICTION/novella is likely the correct length, so I put that back. If it should be NOVEL, multiple edits will be needed to produce a consistent result, plus checking with the primary verifier for the one verified appearance. Thanks. --MartyD 06:50, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

Any way you want it. I really didn't know how to merge Alexander Blade, as no real author was credited with it, so I took a leap of faith, and tried to figure it out. Having never seen a copy of either the book or the magazine (Amazing Stories), I can't verify anything except what the ERBville site states. If they discover oil on my property then I can afford to buy everything that catches my fancy, but until then . . . MLB 15:55, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

Novels in Magazines

I'm going to reject your two edits to change the title type of two stories ([1] and [2]) to novels. When a novel appears in a single installment in a magazine, we treat it as a serial instead of a novel. Additionally, the title should be changed by appending "(Complete Novel)". This is described under Title->Serials and Title Type->SERIAL in this help section. I did approve the variant relationship for these two titles, but you'll need to change these to titles to SERIALs. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:08, 8 June 2019 (EDT)


Hi, I think you ought to read this before entering more errors in the ISBN field (like Barnes & Noble id nos.).--Dirk P Broer 20:02, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

So...Nook Books shouldn't be entered? MLB 21:53, 17 June 2019 (EDT)

Tek covers

Hi. I replaced the cover on Tek Secret with one having a slightly higher resolution. Jack Sjmathis 15:05, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Hi. I replaced the cover on Tek Vengence with one having a slightly higher resolution. Jack Sjmathis 15:15, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay, thanks. MLB 19:29, 23 June 2019 (EDT)

Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2019

Hi the listing for "The Doing an Undoing of Jacob E. Mwangi" seems to be a typo, it should be "The Doing and Undoing of Jacob E. Mwangi". So I'll change it if you don't mind. Thanks. gzuckier 23:14, 25 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Just got out of the hospital, so I couldn't right back to you. MLB 18:40, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

Ty Game in 2014

Hello, I think you are responsible for the addition of this? If, so, could it be that it is erroneous? I can't find any sign of the publication in the given source Dogpatch Press, and the Wikipedia entry states this as a 2018 title (not 2014). Can you take a closer look? Stonecreek 02:30, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

Okay, eliminate it. I was juggling several screens at once, and I must of mistaken this page for for the Ty page, as I entered both on this site at nearly the same time. Very sorry. MLB 03:22, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

I Will Follow to Eternity and Beyond

When the source is Goodreads, please do not forget to add the GR number to the record (we have an External ID for those). Can you find it again and add it here? Thanks! Annie 17:06, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

I stopped adding them when they stopped going anywhere. I'll add the only number that I can find. MLB 17:11, 12 July 2019 (EDT)
What do you mean? The GR ones are pretty stable in my experience. If you find one that does not lead anywhere even though you are seeing it, please ping me - maybe we need to change the way we build the URL? Annie 17:15, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Zombie Bigfoot

"7 hours and 55 minutes, or 396 minutes in listening length." -- these two cannot be right at the same time here. 475 minutes is not the same as 396 minutes... :) Annie 17:32, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Your right, where did I get 396???? MLB 17:36, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

His for the Claiming

Did you do an Edit by mistake here instead of Clone? Annie 18:12, 12 July 2019 (EDT)

Yes. Sorry. MLB 22:57, 12 July 2019 (EDT)
no worries. I rejected it and did a proper cloning so we are all set. Annie 12:34, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
Thanks. MLB 14:32, 15 July 2019 (EDT)


Does this author really has (I) in his legal name? Annie 15:51, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

The reason that I did that is because this Ron Fleshman started publishing in the nineties, and this Ron Fleshman was publishing fan art in the fifties, and I didn’t want them confused. Maybe I was wrong, feel free to correct if need be. MLB 16:02, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
We do not differentiate in the legal name - it is literally the person name. We can add a note to explain it is a different Fleshman - I will do that.
Now I know. Won't happen again. MLB 16:17, 19 July 2019 (EDT)
It is not a problem -- and done Annie 16:25, 19 July 2019 (EDT)

To the Dark Tower

Found the cover artist Lou Marchetti of this pub on artists website. --Zapp 18:02, 23 July 2019 (EDT)

Capitalization (and accents) variation in author credits

Hi. It's futile to try to make a title record that has an author credit differing only in capitalization or diacriticals/accents from an existing author record that is otherwise spelled the same. The software matches what you have provided to the existing entry -- despite those differences -- and uses the existing entry, essentially ignoring your variations. So the only way to have one title with LaDonna instead of Ladonna is to change the canonical author record to use LaDonna. Then all titles will have LaDonna instead of Ladonna. It's not currently possible to have some as LaDonna and others as Ladonna. I will take a look and see about changing the author record if LaDonna is predominant among the appearances of the titles we have. --MartyD 12:29, 11 August 2019 (EDT)

I edited the author record and changed it to LaDonna. --MartyD 12:38, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
Y'know, I wasn't trying to cause trouble, all I was trying to do put down her name as she lists it. Didn't know the trouble I was causing. Sorry. MLB 19:48, 11 August 2019 (EDT)
Oh, it wasn't any trouble. Just one of those ISFDB quirks that bites people, and it looked like you didn't know about it. --MartyD 06:33, 13 August 2019 (EDT)

The Wish List

In you credit the cover to "Keijiro Komine". Is this stated in the book? Can you add a pub note about it? I'd like to copy that information to other pubs with the same cover. --Stoecker 05:39, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

My health has been going sidewise for a while now and people have been shifting some of my stuff around, and during a recent hospital stay some stuff got really messed up. So, I don't really know where this book is. What I know is that Keijiro Komine is a real photographer and some of his stuff can be found on Getty Images. I also know that I wouldn't have listed Komine's name unless it had been mentioned in the book in someway. Until I find it I'll temp verify this book, although none of this answers your questions. MLB 18:21, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

"The Waters of a New World" submission

Hi. The submission I have on hold is presented as if the author is being changed, but it's being changed to the same author, so it's effectively doing nothing. I can't tell what you intended, so I decided to hold it and have you take a look in case something got lost. Thanks. --MartyD 07:25, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

No, my computer, stooopid computer, ate my first draft of this submission, so I quickly, and carelessly, did it a second time, leaving several mistakes in my wake. Most were corrected by the editor, but I mistakenly thought this author's name was not corrected, so I corrected a correction. Hardly a great mystery for the ages, but an explanation none-the-less. Hope this helps. MLB 14:16, 22 August 2019 (EDT)

Oriental Stories

Apparently it contained enough of our stories to have been considered genre and Miller/Contento added at last some issues to the checklists. So... guess it is one of ours :) Annie 17:44, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay MLB 17:47, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for adding all those reprints! We need them in the DB - although I did not need to know that they existed... :) Annie 17:48, 6 September 2019 (EDT)
Well, I'm not gonna read them all, but it's good to know that this part of early American puplishing is easily available to readers again. MLB 18:02, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

Protoplasmic Station

OK - I thought that we have the 2 separate reprint merged but apparently not. What are you trying to do here exactly? The unmerge you sent will split the short story into separate copies which is not what you are trying to do I think. The story is in one anthology here and one magazine. I know that some are reprinted twice - and these are in separate series the way you organize them but this one seems to have only one reprint. So... what are you trying to split from what? Annie 02:08, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Same here - the "Thrilling Wonder Stories, April 1937" this one is the only publication on this title. You can change the series if it is wrong but there is nothing to split... Annie 02:11, 7 September 2019 (EDT)
Somebody tinkered with the Adventure House facsimile reprints and Pulp Tales Press Facsimile Reprints of the Thrilling Wonder Facsimile Reprints and combined them into one series (Thrilling Wonder Stories (reprints)). I was trying to keep things more organized. I created one series and carried on from an unknown editor with the other. I just want to put everything else in order. It's a bit tricky when dealing with magazines. MLB 02:37, 7 September 2019 (EDT)
So what I thought initially except in the wrong record. There are two problems:
Pulp ones and the Adventure ones are mixed in this series - so go through them and update the Pulp ones to get them out.
this one and this one were mixed with their counterparts so I pulled them out.
I will let you fix the series inside of the series and on these two. Maybe Pub Series would have worked better here but let's untangle and we will see after that. Annie

Editor Dates reminder

When you are making the yearly records for a magazine (the "Name - Year" naming), don't forget to fix the date as well - it should be yyyy-00-00 and not the month for whatever issue the record starts as. Thanks! :) Annie 17:42, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Missed that. Still learning. Your job is entirely safe. For now. :) MLB 17:45, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

Renaming series

Moderators can rename series if needed - just ask on the Moderator board or on whoever is online's Talk page - no need to update a lot of publications if all of them just need to have the series renamed. Annie 02:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Now you tell me. Anyway, thanks for the help over the last couple of days. I hope you're having a good weekend. MLB 02:50, 8 September 2019 (EDT)
Well, I approved them, figured I should mention there is another option. Had been hiding from the heat mostly. Hope you are feeling better :) Annie 02:59, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Open Letter to the World

Are you sure that this is a story? We have a same-named essay. Annie 22:46, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

I am such a NON-fan of this author, so I got sloppy. I'll fix. MLB 23:33, 8 September 2019 (EDT)

Jane Donawerth

Considering the volume of reviews, I think we should flip the canonical name of the author to the name used in this book :). Do you want to do it or do you want me to do it? Annie 23:30, 9 September 2019 (EDT)

Go right ahead. MLB 23:32, 9 September 2019 (EDT)
Done :) Annie 23:42, 9 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanx! MLB 01:21, 10 September 2019 (EDT)

Cloning back in time and contents

Just a quick reminder - when cloning to create an older edition, the contents of the book also need to have their dates changed. "Visionary II" for example seems to have all of its content original to it (so all internal contents match the date of the edition) - so when you cloned, it would have left the e-book with all titles after the pub date. And if the clone goes before an update, you need to do it one by one. So I changed all dates (via editPub - only 1 pub added so they could be changed that way in bulk) and then approved the clone) :) Annie 21:59, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. I thought that if you changed the date on the book it automatically changed the date of the stories. Shows how little I know. Your job is still safe. MLB 22:05, 15 September 2019 (EDT)
Only if you empty the date fields so it can self-populate - then it gets it from the pub date. Changing the date of the anthology title record changes only that record. :) Annie 22:07, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Weird prices

When you see a weird price like $13.21 and so on on a self-published or small press book, take a look at the other Amazons - UK, AU or CA. Usually it turns out that it is one of theirs and it has a nice round-ish price there. This one for example is a UK publication - so the price looks better in their currency. I changed it and updated your note with the details. Annie 22:09, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Now I know. MLB 22:17, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Small authors and all that

As you are working on authors very orderly, do you think that this may help you? Basically we have tens of thousands of ISBNs and ASINs that need processing - and Fixer can dump all he knows about an author in a list so an editor can work through them. Fixer also has ASIN only lists (no ISBN books) and I am sure he can also dump these if need be. You still may need to chase an edition or 10 but you will get a starting list. If you do not think that it will be helpful, no reason to participate but thought I should mention it. Fixer takes requests for authors/publishers if you are interested :) Annie 23:35, 15 September 2019 (EDT)

Due to my disability I can't always get to my own books. So, I decided to start adding the smaller writers to this site because nobody else was. I'll look at this list and see what I can do. MLB 00:17, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
You can also ask for a list for one of the authors you want to add (or find online or whatever) -- no need to work on a pre-existing list if nothing appeals. Annie 00:24, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Typo in Nate Southard's Selected Stories?

Can you check the last word here (Bottle. Paper. Samuri.)? Because we have a story with similar spelling here(Bottle. Paper. Samurai.). I suspect that they are the same story? :) PS: I edited this one to capitalize "Is". Thanks for adding all of these! Annie 19:30, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

You're right. A typo. Will fix. MLB 21:24, 16 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! I merged it with its mate. I was actually just about to come ask you about the date update you just rejected - I had been fixing the dates before approving the clones (sorry, habit when I do not see a Title update in the queue - in case you wonder how the dates changed) and that one looked to be for the wrong book :) Annie 22:11, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Lights Out pub date change

Are you sure about this one? Amazon supports the later date. Annie 02:11, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

Go here. MLB 02:16, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Forgot to list Goodreads as a source. Sorry. MLB 02:17, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Oh I see what I did wrong. Will fix. MLB 02:18, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
(as I was typing while you were figuring it out, I will leave it here anyway): But this GR record is for "Hardcover, Black Voltage Edition, signed limited to 60 numbered copies" and not the tp. GR still shows the tp with the 2013 date. Or am I misreading this? Looks like the one you have is ok, you just found another edition that needs adding. Isn't it fun sometimes? :)Annie 02:22, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Isn't this one that you pointed out to me, this one? Not mine. This one was already here. MLB 02:41, 17 September 2019 (EDT)
Indeed :) I think we have them all now. Thanks for rechecking! Annie 02:49, 17 September 2019 (EDT)

Lady Dragon

You edited instead of cloning here so I rejected it after verifying that tp edition really exists. Annie 19:31, 20 September 2019 (EDT)

Future Dyke

I approved the renames based on Amazon and Worldcat as well but something kept bugging me and I went looking deeper. The author calls it FutureDyke on her FB page and the write up on her on Bella Books does not have a space. Neither do the Strange Horizon review: here and the Lambda awards nominees announcement. So I am starting to think that there is no space in there. What do you think? Annie 02:55, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

I don't know, but I guess that the author and publisher should be listened to before anybody else. You want me to change them? MLB 03:02, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
Nah, I will do it - I should have checked better before approving :)
The deed is done. I will also see if I can get my library to get me an ILL copy of that book (because they do not have it) so I can look at that title page (I really do not like mysteries like that) :) Annie 03:17, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

Possible typo

Here. Foreward or Foreword? Annie 20:11, 21 September 2019 (EDT)


Are you sure about this one? The cover looks wrong in both Amazon and GR for the e-version and the LCCN and OCLC are for the paperback, not the e-version. Annie 00:44, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Okay here is the e-book and the paperback versions of the covers and I can't see any difference. Do you want me to delete the LCCN and OCLC? MLB 01:11, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
One looks black (the paperback one), the other one faded and/or grey to me. I usually change the link to Amazon between versions of the book even if they look exactly the same - using what Amazon had attached to that version specifically. This way I do not need to decide if they are the same - if it is there, it belongs to the book :)
For the LCCN and OCLC - yes - they do not belong to this book so they should not be in its external IDs. And looking at other editions in WorldCat, there is no OCLC record for the ebook at all. Annie 01:18, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
It's just a bad scan. But I'll change it 'cuz you're the boss. I'll fix the other stuff too. MLB 01:22, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
You are most likely correct :) But if we link to the same Amazon image and it decides to disappear (things happen albeit extremely rarely with these images), we will lose the cover for more than one book. :) Annie 02:01, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

A Matter of Degrees

Can you look at these (in the morning...) :) ? They share an ISBN, one is pb and the rest tp but with the same number of pages. It looks a bit weird. I will also check them again in the morning - I won't recognize a correct ISBN if it bites me at the moment anymore... :) Annie 02:47, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Well, first of all this one is not mine. I couldn't track it down, but somebody had a reference for it, so I left it alone. MLB 03:31, 23 September 2019 (EDT)
This one is copied from here and here. MLB 03:31, 23 September 2019 (EDT)

Deserted Echo

Updated the publisher for this one from Sapphire Books to Sapphire Books Publishing - we already had 9 under Sapphire Books Publishing and Fantastic Fiction also has the publishing and the rest of her books are under that name (Although this is straight from Amazon so who knows). We can always swap the publisher name if we ever see a title page and see how they call themselves... :) Annie 19:12, 1 October 2019 (EDT)

Okay. Now I know. MLB 23:27, 1 October 2019 (EDT)

Demon within

About that last rejection. Apparently an earlier update went awry - the new date was in the pages field. :) once I saw it, I edited and readjusted all dates. Should be looking all done now. Annie 07:17, 2 October 2019 (EDT)

Cover design vs Cover artist

Hi Mark,

The current practice (and the help page - see the last sentence in the Artist section) is to record the cover artist (if any) in the Coverart record and the cover designer only in the notes (So no artist, no coverart for that specific book). This one seems to have only a credit for a design, not for the art (unless I missed it somewhere)

And yeah - we do have enough designers all over the place but if discovered by a PV or someone checking, they get ejected and asked to vacate the premises... :) Annie 00:58, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Ummm, the page that you've directed me to, was my page. Nothing personal towards me, but Mark Louis Baumgart ain't no artist, and I ain't saying that to hurt my own feelings. MLB 01:07, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
How did that happen and what did I click on/copied while passing through your main page in wiki to get to this one - I swear, my mouse pad has a mind of its own. This is what I was going for... :) Annie 01:21, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Changing dates

When trying to re-date a complete book (with contents), doing just this is not enough to change the contents dates. Every item that already has a date keeps its original date (unlike the case when you are adding a new publication and we populate automatically).

What needs to be done is to edit every field which has the old date and put in a new date (next to the cover image if any and next to each content item). If you look at the edit screen, see all those "2019-09-02" in the contents section? They all need changing. I restored the date to the publication itself (because the paperback is on the second, it is the only date that does not need changing :)

If I approve the clone now, then we will need to update each of these titles one by one. So I will keep the clone on hold for now - would you like to try to submit the complete PubEdit and then I will approve the clone after that. Alternatively I can do the complete PubEdit this time and you can just keep that in mind for the future. Annie 18:11, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Please stop. You do NOT need to update every title separately yet. Please read what I explained above and let me know if it is not clear so I can explain again. When an anthology/collection has only 1 publication and its stories are not reprinted, you can change the date of the complete contents with 1 edit. I will approve what you are doing now but at least look at the alternative I am offering.... Annie 18:48, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
I think that I misunderstood. I'll cancel what I've done, and change what you want. Let's hope I get it right this time. MLB 18:55, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Sorry about that - I tried to explain as well as I could... That was almost perfect. You missed one - the collection Title record itself - after the publication is created, the publication and the title are separate entities with separate dates. I fixed that now (see this submission so now I can approve the clone. Thanks! :) Annie 19:07, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Touch of Shadow

Hello again,

Did some changes to this one - see the last note in the list and the new series name. Feel free to edit again if you want. I have no idea where Amazon pulled the original title from "Touch of Shadow: A Baylee Scott Paranormal Mystery: October" (the October part is nowhere on the title page...). Annie 18:25, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

I suspect that Amazon often lists products early, and when the final product is available they don't bother changing the pre-production proofs. I'd like to know why books often have two different covers, one on Goodreads and one on Amazon. MLB 18:40, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
With e-books, sometimes it is because it was reissued silently... With paperbooks - sometimes either Amazon or GR has a much earlier record and it never gets fixed. Between small presses and older books, you will see everything (as you know...) :) Annie 18:45, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Then there are those print-on-demand vanity presses that seem to revise contents, or change covers on a whim! Aaaarrrrggghhh! MLB 18:48, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
I've been adding some smaller authors lately as well so yeah... it is a nightmare. The modern days of publishing I guess. :) Annie 19:10, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Time for another archive?

Can we archive the older messages from this page? The thing is getting too long (I know, I am to blame mostly) :)

Let me know if you need assistance with that! Annie 19:56, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Okay. I am embarrassed to state that I've forgotten how to do it. MLB 21:15, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Do you want me to give you the step by step or to do it for you? Or both? :) Annie 21:27, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
Step by step, I have to know how to do it. MLB 21:29, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
  • Open a new page for the archive. The easiest way is to go to your old archives and open the last one. Then look at the browser address bar. Your latest ends up in "2016Jul-Dec" (this one. Change that last part 2016Jul-Dec to something else. 2017-2018 for example. Or whatever you want it to be called
  • It will show you the "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page." message. Click on "edit this page".
  • In a separate browser tab or browser, press Edit on your main talk page (which will open this. Now move all the messages you want from this one into the one that we opened before. Leave the very first line in place (as it points to your archive page).
  • When you are done moving messages, save both pages. Use "Show Preview to make sure it looks as you want it to.
  • Now get to your main archive page here and press Edit at the top
  • Copy the very last line one more time at the bottom and edit it: Now the last component is "2016Jul-Dec Archives: January-June 2017". Replace "2016Jul-Dec" with whatever you typed in the first step and the thing after the : is for your reference soup to you
  • Save this one and you are all set.
If something goes wrong we have revert so we can easily restore and try again and I am here if you need me :) Annie 21:57, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
It took a while, but I think I got it. MLB 02:08, 4 October 2019 (EDT)

The Ghost and the Cigarette: An Anthology

I would usually drop "An Anthology" from such titles but if you keep it, it is treated as a subtitle - so first word is always capitalized. Fixed it here :) Annie 23:42, 4 October 2019 (EDT)

Somebody did a real bad job on Spells and Jinglebells, I tried to correct much of it, but I made some fresh ones. Will correct them if my submission is accepted. MLB 00:08, 5 October 2019 (EDT)
Approved and fixed a few I saw. All yours again. Annie 00:18, 5 October 2019 (EDT)

Has Anyone Seen My Brain?

This title made me smile every time I saw it in the queue tonight... :) Thanks for that! Annie 02:38, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

:). MLB 02:39, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

The Collected Supernatural and Weird Fiction of Hugh Walpole: Volume 1

Are you sure about the series name change here? It will make it different from the publisher name. Thanks! Annie 21:17, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

That is a typo. Sorry. MLB 00:42, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
Approved for the contents and restored the series name. Annie 01:27, 8 October 2019 (EDT)


Look inside on this one shows a separate ISBN for the e-edition so I added it after you removed the printed one. Annie 18:59, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

Dead: Revelations

Are you sure that this is not the same as this (with the different cover as seems to be usual for this publisher's records...)? Annie 23:46, 14 October 2019 (EDT)

I'm sure of nothing. All I know is that one was published before the other and has a different cover. One could easily be a pre-publication mock-up and then the publication date was changed. But the page count is also diffent, but font size could easily account for that. Do what you will. Self-published book publishers--meh! MLB 01:04, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
damned if you do, damned if you don't :) Approved it -- guess we will consider the "pre-pub" or whatever and not just wacky first day of the month used as a placeholder :) Annie 01:06, 15 October 2019 (EDT)


We have this very nice Import function that allows you not to type and then we do not even need to merge all those titles :) Signed: Your friendly neighborhood merging moderator :) Annie 22:54, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

MOM! MLB 23:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
Okay, I'll do that. MLB 23:20, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! With anthologies and collections looking up all stories takes awhile (and I usually end up typing and merging unless there are a lot of them and easily reachable) but with omnibuses, the titles are right there :) Annie 23:55, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

Dead: The Geeks

Before I forget to mention it again - I had been adding the Audible ASINs to the audible books you are adding, such as this one. Annie 04:07, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for adding them in the new books you are adding now :) Annie 22:22, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

The Dead Universe

Now you have 2 series at #1. Planning to move one of them elsewhere? Annie 04:59, 18 October 2019 (EDT)

Four in the Hole

Do you have a wrong image or a wrong artist here? Thanks! Annie 23:24, 18 October 2019 (EDT)

**BANG**BANG**BANG** That's me banging my head against the wall. Now my head hurts. I've fixed the mistake. Sorry! MLB 23:29, 18 October 2019 (EDT)
Ouch. Poor wall :) No worries :) Second set of eyes and all that :) Annie 23:32, 18 October 2019 (EDT)

Price for Chivalry Is Dead

Are you sure that the price here is indeed $2.99? Copy/paste mishap? Annie 22:50, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

Uhmm, well shucks ma'am, ya caught me. I cloned from the e-book edition, and forgot to change the price. The book is out-of-print, so I removed the print pricing. MLB 00:20, 22 October 2019 (EDT)

Devildog Press

You found a book by this publisher that is not by Mark Tufo? :) Interesting :) And I fixed the capitalization of "A God in a House of Crosses" after I approved it. Annie 20:22, 28 October 2019 (EDT)

Like May December Publishing, Devildog Press may have started out as a vanity press and then just branched out to other authors. MLB 22:29, 28 October 2019 (EDT)
Most likely :) Still surprised me. Annie 22:57, 28 October 2019 (EDT)

Brimstone Bride

Hi, as you are the sole PV, could you check this omnibus' publisher? I suspect that Harlequin Nocturne is a pub series, rather than a publisher. My guess is it should be just Harlequin. If not, perhaps some clarifications in the notes may help :) Thanks! MagicUnk 17:45, 31 October 2019 (EDT)

Fixed. MLB 00:22, 1 November 2019 (EDT)

Doctor Death, February 1935

Can you check this one? Seems like we have some stories twice? Annie 20:07, 5 November 2019 (EST)

Just did it. MLB 20:15, 5 November 2019 (EST)
Thanks! :) All approved and the ejected empty stories were mopped up. Annie 20:23, 5 November 2019 (EST)
I suspect that this is work in progress so I will let you finish it but just so we do not forget it: if we have different editors, we need to split the editor record. :) Annie 20:46, 5 November 2019 (EST)
Go to this page, and this page for further verification
So we need Mowre on both issues plus the editor. Are you changing them or do you want me to? Annie 01:24, 6 November 2019 (EST)

Moving the conversation

Hi, Do you mind if I move your post from the Help page to the Moderator's page? Thanks! Annie 12:15, 12 November 2019 (EST)

Go right ahead. I don't care. Multiple times is intentional. MLB 12:26, 12 November 2019 (EST)
I hope you stick around - despite the hiccups lately. Or give the DB a chance once we resolve the hiccups. In any way - thanks for all the work you are doing - we do not say thanks nearly often enough around here. Annie 12:32, 12 November 2019 (EST)
These weren't hiccups, they were intentional actions that destroyed hundreds of hours worth of work. MLB 14:10, 12 November 2019 (EST)

The Reprints series

I've had an idea - posted over in the moderator forum. Can you look at it and let me know what you think? Annie 15:00, 17 November 2019 (EST)

Wordage thing? Annie 21:05, 17 November 2019 (EST)
The arguements over wether or not a 175 to 200 plus books are really novels. I've had a number of novels wiped from the databank because the moderator decided that novels weren't novels. Which is one of the reasons you haven't seen much of me lately. MLB 22:48, 18 November 2019 (EST)
If they were in the DB, they should have been just converted, not deleted (and I suspect they were). If they were rejected on addition, then yeah - they never made it to the DB. I have it on my list to go and save (and re-add) all of those rejected if they are not in the DB. And as we saw, one of the rejected turned out to be very comfortably over 40K no matter how anyone tried to count so... I have some questions on how exactly he counts in some cases. But that is for another conversation.
As for the bigger question here: I would approve it and then change it if I do not think it is a novel (especially if not verified; I will always talk to the verifier if there is one). Most moderators would do the same. Let's the dust settle on the rest of the issues (we are having a bit of a split-novels problem at the moment on top of everything else) and I will be bringing that up as a moderator policy question. Annie 22:56, 18 November 2019 (EST)
On the reprints - unless someone voices an objection, I will get these organized over the weekend. As you are a PV, you will see all the changes -- just yell if you see me doing something stupid. :) Annie 22:56, 18 November 2019 (EST)

Update on the moderation process

A quick update, which will hopefully clarify where we stand with the recent problems.

  • I have discussed recent issues with moderation with Christian. He has re-committed himself to following consensus when editing ISFDB records/guiding editors and to following other ISFDB rules and guidelines like not changing existing series organization without prior discussion. I will keep an eye on things to make sure that we don't have problems going forward.
  • I apologize for my lack of oversight of Wiki discussions. My health hasn't been that great the last couple of years and I was spending my shrinking "ISFDB man-hours" primarily on Fixer and on software development. In retrospect, it was a mistake. I should have been paying more attention to Wiki discussions. Again, my apologies. I will try to do better in the future.
  • Going forward, if I and other moderators miss problems during your Wiki-based discussions with the reviewing moderator (which is always possible given the number of submissions and Wiki posts these days), please don't hesitate to bring them up on the ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard. As I wrote the other day:
    • If an editor believes that a moderator is not treating him or her in a "supportive and friendly way" and/or not enforcing the rules and the consensus correctly, s/he is encouraged to raise the issue on the Moderator Noticeboard. It will be reviewed by other Moderators. If necessary, it will be escalated to a "bureaucrat" who can impose administrative sanctions to ensure that all moderators follow the consensus and treat editors fairly.

Please let me know if you can think of other ways to improve the process and thank you for all of your contributions! Ahasuerus 16:00, 20 November 2019 (EST)

Honestly, I hope you are doing better. Put your health first. I've been enjoying the benefits of my local hospital for the last three weeks, and future two, myself. This is why I seem to be snubbing ISFDB. I'll try to be more cooperative when I'm free. MLB 08:21, 4 December 2019 (EST)
Take care of yourself, MLB! I hope you are feeling better and that the visit to the local hospital helps. Annie 11:03, 4 December 2019 (EST)

Paul Di Filippo

Hi, It's Paul Di Filippo, with a 'i' in 'De' and with double 'pp' in 'Filipo'. I had to correct each and every instance of Paul Di Filippo in last Asimov’s Science Fiction, just as I corrected Samuel R. Delaney to Samuel R. Delany. Please take more care when entering content.--Dirk P Broer 20:21, 11 January 2020 (EST)

I blame nobody but my own stupid self. I apologize. MLB 20:28, 11 January 2020 (EST)

Terror Cell

Hi, You were at least partly right with 'Terror Cell' being a CHAPBOOK: I splitted the title record into a COLLECTION (for the original 2016 357 page record, that appears to contain five novellas) and two CHAPBOOKs for the 2018 records.--Dirk P Broer 20:41, 11 January 2020 (EST)

Okay, thanks. MLB 20:48, 11 January 2020 (EST)

Wonder Stories -1950 /1963 (and perhaps 1957 as well)

Hi, I hope you can help me, as you just entered a 'Wonder Stories' reprint: I have a submission on hold for a 1950 Thrilling Wonder Stories, where the submitter claims that the art used in 1950 for 'Shadow on the Sand' is not the art as used in the 1963 reprint. I know it is a long shot, but you may have access to both sources -I have only the link a supplied by the submitter to the 1950 version.--Dirk P Broer 19:04, 5 February 2020 (EST)

Found the 1963 (and 1957!) Virgil Finlay here, so the submitter is right.--Dirk P Broer 20:03, 5 February 2020 (EST)

Haunted America: Star-Spangled Supernatural Stories

For your verified Haunted America: Star-Spangled Supernatural Stories, can you please double check a couple of credit? The Internet Archive scan has some differences from ISFDB record:

  • page 150: The ISFDB credit is Joseph Lavinson, but the scan shows Marvin Kaye on the title page
  • page 360: The ISFDB credit is Fritz Leiber, but the scan shows Fritz Leiber, Jr. on the title page

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:18, 15 February 2020 (EST)

Just got back from another two week fun stay at my neighborhood hospital. Correcting the Leiber story. My copy has Marvin Kaye on both the title and contents page for the Lavinson story, and Kaye admits to being Lavinson. C. H. Sherman has only appeared in Kaye's anthologies and is described as an actor. Maybe another Kaye pseudonym? MLB 18:42, 21 February 2020 (EST)
Thank you for checking. Since we credit per the title page and the title page has Marvin Kaye for the first story, I have changed that one also. I hope you are feeling better & will be staying away from the hospital. My best wishes to you! -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:32, 21 February 2020 (EST)

To the Sun? / Off on a Comet!

Posted also at User talk:Holmesd#To the Sun? / Off on a Comet! --Pwendt

Hi. You are one verifier of this novel (or omnibus) in its 1960 Dover ed./printing P257555. (The slash in both titles was "spaced" last hour, probably by the moderator who approved my correction/extension of its Notes, User:Dirk P Broer.)

[1] Let me draw your attention to Amazon US/UK records of this edition with cover images and leave it to you two whether to replace the image that we now link.

Note: A shows both "$1.75" (as $) and "49 illustrations" on the front and "T634" is not legible but believable on the spine. B shows both "1.75" (no symbol) and same text on the front. US states "import" and UK does not. If the price is £1.75 that must be some time after the UK change to decimal, which the report of ISBN also suggests.

By the way another dealer provides a third cover illustration/design, "large clear type", with "£1.40" either printed or affixed to upper left:

[2] From our publication record I infer that the Dover republication does not include preface(s) by translator Edward Roth.

[3] You report two interior title pages that suggest subtitles "A Journey Through Planetary Space".
Evidently those pages display the full titles of the 1st eds. LC catalog records as 1878 imply that: [3], [4] (both created 2011 perhaps from secondary sources) and [5] (created 1901). Compare the one 19c title page that I find online (two copies): t.p. and t.p., where the latter image of LC copy is pencilled "1895".
--Pwendt|talk 18:25, 23 February 2020 (EST)

I would suggest that you add some of this to the notes, or link this note to this listing. The fact is, I had checked this book out from my library on an inter-library loan, so now I can not verify or non-verify your new extensive information. Sorry, I just can't, that's why I'm a transient verifier. MLB 19:31, 23 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks for your prompt reply. Now I see you are both Transient verifiers, which I missed yesterday. --Pwendt|talk 11:48, 24 February 2020 (EST)
I still have access to some images from my transient copy and will try to work through this with Pwendt. We'll keep the discussion on my talk page (link above). ../Doug H 14:50, 24 February 2020 (EST)

Hi again, MLB. For the standalone publications of the Roth translation as "To the Sun?" (1878 and 1879 reprint now in the database) and "Off on a Comet!" (1878 and 1976 reprint), I have submitted extension of the title to include subtitle A Journey Through Planetary Space --which library records report (and HathiTrust image shows for the 1895? re-issue with identical page-count).
This affects your Transient PVerified record of the 1976 Aeonian Press edition P438268. I cite this notice to you of the subtitle issue (and may do so again) in Note to Moderator. I suppose I will say "general notice to the Transient verifier" and not further update here. --Pwendt|talk 21:29, 24 February 2020 (EST)

Novelettes Eligible for the 1941 Retro-Hugos

Hope you are doing better :)

Just a reminder that we have an Import function - so instead of typing the title and then merging post-approval, you can look for the story and import it instead thus eliminating one step per story (yes, I know, looking for the story is not always trivial:) ). Either way works, import just reduces the possibility of typos and the like (and the number of submissions) :) Annie 17:22, 25 February 2020 (EST)

Tales from the Pulps #5

I added several letters and an essay to the December 1936 issue of Weird Tales which is reprinted in your verified Tales from the Pulps #5. You may want to import the contents from the original issue to pick up the additional items. I will note that the Coming Next Month essay I added is on the inside front cover. I know that the Girasol reprints of WT omit the inside covers. If Pulp Tales Press omits these too, you'd want to remove it after adding all the new content. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:17, 8 March 2020 (EDT)

There is no "Coming Next Month" feature in my facsimile reprint, but I have added the letters that you have added to the original. MLB 21:13, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
I don't know if you followed this recent discussion regarding letters to the editor. The outcome of the discussion is that editors can now add all letters if they choose. Consequently, I've been making another pass on Weird Tales adding letters that hadn't been added previously. I just added several letters to the above issue of Weird Tales and as before, if you'd care to add the missing letters, you can import them from there. If you do, I'd also recommend deleting them all from your pub first, so you can pick up the sorting with the import. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:57, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

Roar #10


Amazon e-books and ASINs

Just a reminder - when you are adding an e-book from Amazon, don't forget to add the ASIN :) I added it here. It makes it easier for someone to find it later and less likely to have a duplicate record :) Annie 15:36, 9 March 2020 (EDT)

'The Extreme Horror Series'

Hi! I wonder where the information on that series comes from. I have taken a bit of time to search, but found no source. Do you have information at hand? Christian Stonecreek 03:17, 10 March 2020 (EDT)

It might be a self-imposed series but I saw it here: here MLB 03:21, 10 March 2020 (EDT)
Thanks! I have approved of the submissions. Christian Stonecreek 03:31, 10 March 2020 (EDT)


Hi, with no proof that this publication actually exists and no evidence for its actual title type, it seems better to delete it. (The only known publication seems to be a serialization at wattpad). Christian Stonecreek 08:58, 17 March 2020 (EDT)

So wattpad as a publication source doesn't count? MLB 09:02, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
I'm not saying its a good book. It's not for me to judge. Just being complete, to see the book you can go here. I have a feeling that you're going to see more of this in the future. This is the second author that I've run into that has serialized their books first on wattpad. MLB 09:09, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
I'm not arguing with you on this, if you're right, then you're right, I just need the rules that's all. Just trying to be complete, in a digital age, is all. MLB 09:38, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
Well, you only state that it was serialized at wattpad, so it appears that there's no book / ebook edition of the whole thing in one publication. You also stated that the actual length is unknown, so it might also slot in as a SHORTFICTION. Do you have any additional hard information? Christian Stonecreek 10:09, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
Nope. Just the serial on wattpad. Of course, being a serial, serials are rarely published in complete form during their intitial publications. Still, wouldn't the same rules apply to this as to other e-publications? Again, not arguing, but just looking for a hard and fast rule to look at? Perhaps I should just list some notes under her nate until it sees a "hard" copy. MLB 14:01, 17 March 2020 (EDT)
Of course the rules apply - but with entering this one, we'd state that there does exist a stand-alone, all-inclusive publication. Please don't rely on Goodreads or Wattpad if you don't have further evidence of an existing publication: a 'cover image' doesn't necessarily mean that there is a corresponding publication, it might mean a serialization or a (possibly) upcoming publication - somewhen in the future, but it might as easily be cancelled. And a date of publication set to 'unknown' for new publications will most likely mean just that - if you don't have it at your hand. I'll delete this one. Christian Stonecreek 00:40, 18 March 2020 (EDT)
Alright. I'll keep this in mind the next that I come across something like this. Honestly, I don't even know what wattpad is. MLB 01:54, 18 March 2020 (EDT)
Per description it is not a publisher but a publishing platform, analogous to Amazon's CreateSpace. So it seems more fitting to ascribe the publication to the respective authors / editors. Christian Stonecreek 03:18, 18 March 2020 (EDT)

Bella Sara


You had verified the first two books in this series. I would like to do the following for both:

  • Change them to chapbooks - they are too short for novels - look inside shows 25 lines per page, less than 10 words per line (plus illustrations and shorter pages) and the ebooks come as <80 pages.
  • Mark the titles as juvenile (as they are children books)

As your verification is before the juvenile flag and probably before the chapbook, I suspect that this should not be a problem but if you disagree, please let me know (and I will leave them alone for now). I stumbled on the series because Fixer found some reprints of the later books :) Annie 16:51, 26 March 2020 (EDT)

Gee, do those bring back memories. Yeah, go ahead. Change them if you so wish. Thanks for letting me know. MLB 23:06, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
Yeah, working through the vaults of Fixer sends me in all kinds of directions. I will change these then :) Annie 23:36, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
And while fixing those, I found a cluster of LCCNs in notes that escaped all my patterns - some of them verified by you. So heads up - a few notifications coming while I am moving these. Annie 23:50, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
Do what you have to. Hope you are feeling well in these times. MLB 23:59, 26 March 2020 (EDT)
Other from getting crazy from staying at home (thankfully I can work from home so there is that...), I am doing fine. I already had a pneumonia this year, just before the madness hit so... let's hope I do not have a second major health issue in my near future. Stay safe - I know that you had been unwell lately so I hope you are safe. Annie 00:11, 27 March 2020 (EDT)


Added an interior art record, a catalog no. and some more details to the Note for our verified C.O.L.A.R.. Thanks. PeteYoung 18:07, 28 March 2020 (EDT)

Verification request: author David Dean in Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, December 2013


You have this pub permanently PVed . so I'm wondering if you're possibly able to help me with a question?

I've been adding the nominees for the Kitschies award, and one of the 2018 art nominees was a "David Dean". It looks like we currently have 2 different people of this name under the same author record

I'm sure these are 2 different people - an artist who graduated university in 1999 seems unlikely to have been writing short stories in 1992 - but as a relative newbie to ISFDB, I'm - perhaps naively - assuming that part of the point of PVing pubs is to be able to chase up things like this? Any chance you can check that pub to see if it has any biographical notes for "David Dean" that might confirm these are indeed two different people?

Another of this author's stories is PVed by Don Erikson here , so I'll pose a similar question to him.

Thanks! ErsatzCulture 09:57, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

I'll see what I can do. MLB 20:09, 31 March 2020 (EDT)
A quick google has shown me that there are two different artists going under the name of David Dean, and both have completely different styles. So there's that. And while it wouldn't be the first time an author and an artist held simultaneous jobs, witnes Angela Waters, I don't think that's the case here. I'll ask Dean who has a listing at Goodreads, about this, but don't hold your breath. On-the-other-hand, for now, if you want, you can seperate them by having one as David Dean and the other as David Dean (I) and explain to the moderator as to why. I'll do some more checking as see what I can find out. MLB 20:40, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

A Dialogue of Terrors: A NoSleep Collection

Did you mark this one juvenile on purpose? PS: I fixed a couple of titles based on Look inside :) Annie 13:39, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

This was the third time that I did this one, what did I do wrong this time? And I still have more to add. [6] is what is found on Amazon. MLB 14:10, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
By the way, I think a chapbook can have a different title than the short fiction inside, as they can be two different things. Much like the title of a book. One moderator says no. Is there a rule about this.? MLB 14:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
Amazon's age groups are messed up sometimes. This one is not children or even YA for me so I would not mark it Juvenile. The change I did was a move of the ? from one title to another (see my comment here).
For the chapbooks... depends. If the book has the title "My Special Christmas" on its title page but the story inside is called "Christmas Story", they will be different of course. But I would not make them different for series names -- the series go on the story only; if it is a chapbook level series then it will need to be pub series. Hope that makes sense. Annie 14:31, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

The current set of rejections

Sorry about them but as explained in the firs one, approving them would have created the incorrect series (with the word Book at the end) which after that I had to delete (after doing an edit anyway to clear the word from the titles). So I rejected them and just edited the titles based on how you had edited them. I had been caught in this when copying series from Amazon as well so if it pings as "unknown series" when you know you added the earlier, check for "Book/Novel" at the end of whatever you are trying to add :) Annie 16:51, 22 April 2020 (EDT)

'Rise of the Black Dragon Book'!!! OMG! I'm so embarassed. This is what happens when you rush. I had a medical emergency and just cut'n'pasted everything. Holey Moley, I must look like a cretin. I apologize. MLB 00:22, 23 April 2020 (EDT)
Not at all - I’ve done that more time than i wish to admit. :) I was just too lazy to go delete the series in addition to the edits so just rejected and edited instead. :) I hope the emergency had passed and everything is ok Annie 00:29, 23 April 2020 (EDT)

What Lurks Behind Real


Do we really want "Books" at the end of the series name here? Annie 18:45, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

I dunno. From what I can gather from reading the book descriptions the three Club Cain books have been extensively revised from each other. I am uneasy variating them with each other, but they are not part of a series either. Should I list them as a series, and then put notes, in each submission explaining the changes? The rules for extensive revisions such as this seem to be either loosely defined, or loosely enforced. I'll abid for whatever you decide. You're the boss. MLB 22:34, 27 April 2020 (EDT)
Nah, leave them as they are. I would have called the series "Club Cain" but what you have is also fine. They are definitely not variants. Add a note to the series explaining that these are revisions and that's the best we can do :) Annie 22:37, 27 April 2020 (EDT)
Okay. MLB 22:40, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

Kalelah Series

Hello. Is there a particular reason the Kalelah Series is called that, instead of just 'Kalelah'? If I recall, we generally do not add 'Series' to a series title. Regards, MagicUnk 13:06, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

It's called "The Kalelah Series" on Amazon. But, I just shortened it, shorten it some more if you want, or I can do it later. MLB 19:13, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Continue Online


Would you mind if I cleanup the titles in this series? It was started weirdly at the beginning so I let it continue this way while approving yours but it had been at the back of my mind to review it. Under our current practice, these really should be simplified - series name not to be part of the title (plus it makes it look cleaner...). I do not want to step on your toes or make more work for you so I will do the work - but wanted to make sure you are fine with it. Unless I am missing a really good reason to have them this way? Thanks! Annie 21:40, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

Ummm, no, you're fine. I didn't originally enter this author, I'm just adding to his page. I'm just continuing with what was done before. So, go ahead. You're the boss. MLB 21:44, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
I know - as I said- the initial entry was added that way so when you started adding more, I noted it for myself but did not say anything on naming - you are keeping it uniform. :) Give me a few minutes before you make any more clones in this series. Will let you know when I am done. Annie 21:48, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
Alright: Time to make my supper anyway. MLB 21:54, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
All done - you can have the author back :) Sorry for not fixing it earlier and thanks for working on these authors. :) Annie 22:01, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

A Correspondence

About this one: Was he credited in the book? If not, then we will create a parent with the two authors instead of editing the book content. Annie 03:56, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

I don't know what I was thinking. You're right. The second author wasn't credited on the contents page which is all I had to go on. MLB 04:25, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Make a parent and add a note that we do not have access to the title page of the book so going strictly off the contents page :) Annie 04:29, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
I hope this clears up everything. MLB 04:37, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
All I had to do was to approve the two new ones and reject the old one. All set. Thanks! :) Annie 04:39, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Jules Verne translations

I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the Jules Verne Translations wiki. Thank you. ../Doug H 14:31, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Well, you didn't pick the easy ones did you? The Amazing Stories is where I can't readily get at it, and I'm not sure where the other two are. There has been a lot chaos in this household recently. I'll try to find them, but the Amazing Stories reprint is the same as the original. I'll try, but I can't guarantee anything right now. MLB 20:03, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
I've been at this for 2 years now, a few weeks won't matter. And I did think that Jules Verne wouldn't be that hard. ../Doug H 21:59, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
Have you SEEN my house. It's not the books, it's where they are. I can't drive and they may be in storage. MLB 22:26, 10 May 2020 (EDT)
The Mysterious Island was listed as transient, although it sounds like it may not actually be gone, just migrated to secondary (or tertiary) storage. I am thankful, at least you got the books into the database. ../Doug H 23:26, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

The Reality Contagion

Hi, I suspect you've made a copy-paste error here - could you check that publication again, specifically the cover art link that is the same as for Badwater (it shouldn't) and submit any corrections? Thanks! MagicUnk 13:18, 14 May 2020 (EDT)


Hello. I have your submission on hold since it seems the ASIN is incorrect (I get an error message). Perhaps you meant audio-asin? Could you check? Thanks! MagicUnk 13:17, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

This author has a problem with his submissions. He downloads his books, withdraws them, then he downloads them again with new covers. They might even be revised. Hell, I don't know. In the case that you mention, this is an early audio download, different company, different cover, and a different narrator. I assume that this was once sold on Amazon, but was superseded by the next version. I've seen this before. ASIN probably worked once, but that copy is now gone, so it doesn't function. But this will happen again with even new books, especially ones whose parent publishing company goes out of business. Because the ASIN doesn't work now, doesn't mean it shouldn't be listed, I think, but what do I know. I'll leave it up to you. MLB 13:47, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Move the ASIN to the notes (using the template), and make an accompanying note summarizing what you said above, and all is well :) (I've approved your submission) MagicUnk 13:53, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Alright, just give me a minute to clean up my mess. MLB 14:05, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
This author is giving my hemeroids their own hemeroids. I now have a headache, and I need to lay down. I hope this submission is all up to snuff. MLB 14:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Guys, even if Amazon removes the book, the ASIN is a valid identifier for the book and should be in the ASIN field if it belonged to the book. Goodreads is a very good place to find and confirm those dead ASINs (and these then allow to connect elsewhere). You may add a note that it is not on amazon anymore but if we pull it from the field every time amazon removes a book, we may as well stop recording it at all. Annie 16:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
An interesting topic. Annie is right: when Amazon deletes an ASIN -- which they do quite frequently these days -- Goodreads usually preserves the ASIN and its data. I wonder if we should add Goodreads as another "supported site" to the ASIN External ID Type. It would use the ASIN value to link to Goodreads using URLs like where "B07NJQVSLL" is the ASIN. We already display a dozen country-specific links for ASINs. Another one wouldn't make a difference. Ahasuerus 18:21, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
This actually sounds like a great idea - and will solve the problem of invalid links. Annie 18:25, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Y'Know, I'm just a lowly editor, shouldn't this discussion be moved to another page? I do know that I've had my submissions deleted/rejected because of dead ASINs. MLB 19:45, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
And they should not have been - whoever rejected and deleted those has a bit of a misunderstanding of how Amazon works with ebooks. :) Discussions tend to start somewhere - and most changes happen because we all notice something is off. As your work was influenced by it, it started here. I will move it over to Community as soon as I am on my computer. Annie 20:10, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Mom said I'd always be trouble. :) MLB 20:16, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
In this case, blame Amazon :) MagicUnk 14:55, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

Steel's Fate

I am confused about this one. Amazon on this ISBN leads to this one which we already have and you have a "• Publishing data from as of 2020-05-20.". So something does not compute. You either need to cite a different source or there is something else different here... Annie 02:37, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Checking it out now. MLB 03:24, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
Okay, the ISBN to Steel's Fate is 978-1733188050, I must of miscopied it from the previous book in the series. I'll fix it if you okay the submission. MLB 03:34, 20 May 2020 (EDT)
I'll do one better - I replaced it and removed the GR number that was also for the other book. I think it looks fine now. By the way, even though they work, the BN number is not really needed if we have a regular ISBN as well - the ID was mainly for their 294- style ISBN-like thingies. But as it works, no worries. :) Annie 03:38, 20 May 2020 (EDT)


Good evening,

You have the wrong cover here - for the wrong book. Thanks! Annie 22:46, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Good evening to ISFDB's best editor yourself. I'm deleting the whole mess, it's redundant. After untying this literary publication's publication history, I'll try for something easy, like world peace, or creating a chocolate with no calories. MLB 23:03, 20 May 2020 (EDT)

Thirteen Stories by Us

I am not sure what is going on tonight but I had never had to do that much repair work on your submissions as I had to do with this one. It looked as if you added the stories and then forgot that all the other book details were from the previous one you submitted (and tracking that book was not that easy...). All fixed I think but give it another look just in case. :) Annie 00:13, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

You should not have to do that much work. Next time just make me do it. MLB
You added the stories and I know how much of a trouble that is - I would have rejected and asked you to redo it without them but did not want to lose all the work already done. So I fixed the rest :) If there was more than one of those, I would have come and asked you to fix it but fixing one once in awhile won't kill me. Just stopped by to give you a heads up that you need a break (or a cup of tea or something stronger) before you do the next. All is good. :) Annie 02:16, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

One of your submissions

I had to hard reject one of your clones (ASIN: B075KQJ2KN, Goodreads: 52705319, Title: Trunk Line) as someone approved a merge and the ID that was used did not exist anymore. You may want to resubmit. Sorry. All the details are here if you want to copy from it (I think non-moderators can see that - if not, I can pull the data for you) :) Annie 22:06, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

Same for Goodreads 45010883, ISBN 9781549733864, XML dump. Annie 22:07, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Uh, guess your job as a moderator is quite safe from me :/. I re-did the submissions from scratch, and here's hoping that I got them right this time. MLB 23:02, 24 May 2020 (EDT)
Nope, that one was not on you - they were ok when you sent them - they just got invalidated when someone did a merge after that - either as a result of a previous submission OR based on a cleanup report or finding it by chance. It happens now and then. If it was a new editor, I would have redone the submissions for them but as you are always around, I figured I can stop by and ask if you would want to redo them :) Annie 23:21, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

Odyssey, Summer 1976

Hi, the cover art of Odyssey, Summer 1976 is attributed there on the contents page to John B. Gaughan, and it does look like Jack Gaughan's work. This art is also shown in your PV'ed Black Gate, Spring 2007, is it really attributed there to John Schoenherr? Horzel 15:46, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

Your right, I mistyped. I'll correct. MLB 21:24, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

This evening's new books

Good evening,

How is the invention of no-sugar no-fat no-anything unhealthy milk chocolate that does not taste like cardboard coming along? :) I approved all your standing submissions but had to do some changes:

  • Your template talks about Goodreads as a source but when there is no record in GR, it really does not need to be in the notes.
  • Missing ASIN in the first one and one migrated down into the field - I know it is not functional but as we discussed earlier - it is still a valid ASIN and we use it for things like Fixer deciding which books we already have or an editor deciding if the book they are holding is one of the books we have or they need to add. And we can add more links later - so a note that the book is not available in Amazon at the time is fine but let's have the ASIN in its field if it belongs to the book. :)
  • Series name need to go into the title. Under the current policies, "Vim: A Watcher's Gift Novel" belonging to a series called "Watcher's Gift" gets just the title "Vim". While the long one is technically not wrong, chances of it staying that way and not getting cleaned sooner or later is not very big so I just fixed it before any cloning. :)

I think I got all updates cleared but look through the links and sources again while cloning/finishing the author. The notes on Edit History explain all changes if you need to look up something. Thanks! I am around if you have any concerns/questions. Annie 00:37, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Old habits are hard to break. When I first started to edit for this site, it was hammered into me that if it is put into the title, and then printed on the title page, it MUST be put into the title field. I'll try to be more diligent in the future. Ditto for the ASIN. My invention of this new type of chocolate is having as much success as my broccoli flavored bubble gum had. MLB 00:58, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
Well, the broccoli flavored things failing needs to be counted as a success... :)
No worries for the rest - I will keep nudging you (and fixing silently occasionally). The way that helped me learn that specific rule was to think on how the title line will look inside of the book when it is approved.
  • "Watcher's Gift: Vim [Watcher's Gift • 1]"
  • "Vim: Watcher's Gift Book 1 [Watcher's Gift • 1]"
  • "Vim: A Novel of Watcher's Gift[Watcher's Gift • 1]"
and so on just looks cluttered and redundant;
  • "Vim • [Watcher's Gift • 1]"
looks much cleaner. Might not work for you as an explanation but... just sharing in case it is useful :) Annie 01:13, 27 May 2020 (EDT)
Surprise!!! I agree with you 100%. MLB 01:15, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Asimov's Science Fiction, April-May 2015

Hello again, your "favorite" moderator bugging you again (hey, see, it is not even evening yet) :)

Can you pull your issue and verify a note for me? A new editor posted the following question: "This issue is supposed to have a missing first page of short story "Tuesdays" on page 9, which is said to have been missing in the previous issue. There's an ad for a book on page 9 and I see no evidence that there was actually a missing first page in the previous issue, which is listed there as part 2 of 2. Please check, to see if I'm missing something."

Can you check what your issue looks like? Do we have different printings or something else is going on? Thanks in advance! Annie 14:40, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm gonna have to look around for it. Give me a little time. MLB 16:59, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

Far Boundaries

Good evening,

For small changes such as here where you are adding "No contents page", use the moderator note as a notification - instead of saying there "will notify", just describe the change in the moderator note. This way the PVs (all of them) can see the change in their "Changed Primary" and see your note there and anyone checking "Edit History" later can see what was added exactly. If you insist on also notifying the PVs on their pages, be my guest :) Annie 00:54, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

Well, aw shucks, Annie, I just didn't know. Now I do. I'm rightly sorry to have put you out. MLB 04:48, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
I am just trying to save you some time and effort (so you can add more books instead - see... I always have an agenda).:) Annie 04:51, 3 June 2020 (EDT)


When adding non-US editions, please use the currency of the country where published vs. the US currency from Amazon. In the case of INFETTO, I was able to pull it from since it was an Italian edition. If the original is not easily found, you can just leave the price off. Also, for translations, the translation credit also needs to be in the title record. When doing a new pub entry like this, you can add it in the title notes field as part of the submission. That will save an edit later. Let me know if you have questions. Thanks for submitting all the many pubs that you have been doing. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:14, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

If I can ask, why the all CAPS in this title? We normalize the case of titles and I see no indication that this is not the standard "use all caps" on almost any cover in any language. Annie 17:31, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
Because I was careless with my cut-n-pasting, I corrected it in one of my later edits. MLB 17:35, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
Ah, okey. Sorry - just saw a weird title and came asking. :) Thanks! Annie 17:47, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
I fixed it in the publication and cover as well (once created, all 3 need fixing) and added the note that the price came from Annie 17:49, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

Non-English editions - additional data

While approving your non-English submissions, I had been updating the notes (mainly translators, prices and similar items) and capitalization where needed (the only one that needs every word (minus the list) with a capital letter is English; German needs nouns capitalized; almost any other language follows sentence case -- and Goodreads not knowing the translator for example does not mean native stores and sites in the language do not :) Just heads up. Annie 16:19, 4 June 2020 (EDT)

Now I know. Sorry about the sloppiness. I should be doing better. MLB 20:29, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
At least you trying to add them so all is good :) Annie 20:38, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
By the way, I was born on June 5, 1958 why is my birthday listed today, on the fourth of June? I know dates can be unreliable, I was awfully young at the time of my birth, but I'll take my mom's word on this. She had reason to remember, I was a difficult birth. I was always trouble, I guess MLB 20:41, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
Timezones - it is the 5th in UK (GMT - computers have an affinity to this time zone). Although our servers are on the US East Coast so we may have found a bug (or intended behavior). It says the 5th on your profile. :) Annie 21:00, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
The question that should be asked is "When did I get so old?". Seems like just yesterday I was only twenty and ready to take on the world, and now I'm an old man who puts his socks on the wrong feet. :0 MLB 21:07, 4 June 2020 (EDT)
Happy birthday (should be the 5h anywhere in the continental US) :) Have a wonderful year :) PS: I am told that 60 is the new 20 - just (sometimes) less broke and (very rarely) more mature. :) Annie 03:04, 5 June 2020 (EDT)
Thanks. :) MLB 13:05, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

(unindent) Thanks for reporting the issue! I'll take a look. Ahasuerus 21:28, 4 June 2020 (EDT)

Bug 753 has been created. It's not a straightforward fix, so it may take some time to get it resolved. Ahasuerus 09:08, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

Innocent Survivors

Just wondering what you,mean to say with your note on ISBN number here? Bit puzzled as there's no ISBN for this ebook record MagicUnk 03:05, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

I meant the ASIN number. Mistake made eye. Will fix. MLB 03:13, 7 June 2020 (EDT)


Hello. I have your submission on hold since I suspect it already exists - have a look here. I also noticed a typo in the author name Bokerah Brunley --> Brumley, and title 90 Seconds --> Ninety Seconds. Regards, MagicUnk 13:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Somehow I messed up with all the books in this series. See here. You can delete or correct. Personnally, I'd delete. I blame nobody but myself for this mistake, but I wash my hands of these books. And the contents page that is online sez 90 Seconds. If there is a verifier, then his work takes precedence, but, for me, it's time to move on. Sorry for the trouble. MLB 17:23, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
Hey, no worries. Don't feel bad, you're doing great work! I'll reject your submission then. Regards, MagicUnk
Notes, GR ID and order copied from the rejected entry into the copy we had -- thanks again for all the work on it. No point losing it by just rejecting :) Annie 01:01, 10 June 2020 (EDT)

Duplicates again

Before adding a book, try to search for the ISBN and/or ASIN in the DB -- this one was already on the DB. As the old one did not have the stories I approved yours and deleted the old one but please, add the "check the ASIN/ISBN" to your standard routine or you end up with situations like the other day :( As a rule, in cases like that we do nor delete the pre-existing publication - people may have links to it here on the site or outside of it... most times I will approve the duplicate, import from it into the old and then delete the new one. Annie 04:29, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

It also had the wrong author, which is why I couldn't find it. I'm just getting sloppy in my doatage. MLB 04:35, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
That's why I am proposing to search for the ISBN/ASIN as well :) Annie 06:41, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

Employment Interview with a Vampire


This is one very confused record.

  • Based on the date, it is GR 20558267
  • Based on the publisher, it is GR 15718901
  • Both of them show 28 pages, you cite 56.
  • There was also funny capitalization -- (With A) had to be changed to (with a) :)

Can you sort out which of the two records you meant to add with this one (as both exist and our record in the middle is a mix between the two...) and correct the publisher or date, add the correct GR number and sort out the length. Thanks! Annie 03:11, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

This whole series is confusing. Amazon lists six ebooks, and Goodreads lists five or six books, and the titles and plot descriptions don't always match. All I can do is list the various versions and let the primary, if one ever turns up, sort things out. Meanwhile, I'll look at the above. MLB 03:50, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Okay, the 56 number comes from the Amazon version. The dangers of flipping back and forth between the sites. I'll correct. MLB 04:00, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Approved and I also fixed the publisher as you kept the date - the Endeavor Writing one is the other one. Annie 04:08, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

The Vampire Hunter Comes To Call

Your only source Goodreads has the publisher for this submission as "J. Bennett" Can you please let me know where did you come up with "Endeavor Reads" from - either you need to cite another source or the data needs to match your sources. Additionally, you missed to add a story and you left "To" capitalized - I know it is easier to just copy but look over the capitalization before submitting, please? :) I can fix all of those post approval - once we sort out that publisher thing. Annie 04:12, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

Some of her books are published under the Endeavor Reads imprint, and some, usually the same edition, the difference merely being the ebook version and the print version, so I thought to standardize the publisher. But, you're right, I'll go back an change it. I usually do change the capitalization, but my dumb brain doesn't seem to be working correctly. MLB 04:36, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
If you are changing a publisher based in assumptions, they need to be in the notes :) Approved and added the story and fixed the publisher and the capitalization. You are probably right on the publisher but that needs to be explained in the notes ("Goodreads credits the publisher as J. Bennett but as Amazon credits the Endevour books from the same time by the same publisher the same way, publisher changed to..") or something along these lines. Annie 04:41, 12 June 2020 (EDT)

The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One

You will need to resubmit your clone of The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One. You submitted merges of the contents prior to the clone. Once that merge was approved, the clone is no longer valid as the contents no longer exist. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:07, 19 June 2020 (EDT)

The Vampire's Housekeeper Chronicles: Volume One

I'm holding this submission. As far as I can see, this is a duplicate of this pub. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:38, 1 July 2020 (EDT)

No, looks like I cloned the wrong thing. I will delete. MLB 19:47, 1 July 2020 (EDT)


For Adventure, Markwood has suggested the title be changed to Adventure, Vol. 1 since that is what is shown on the title page. Thoughts? -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Sweet day in the morning, as my grandma used to say sometimes, she also taught everybody in the family to swear profusely, but we won't go there, I don't even remember this publication. If Markwood wants to change it, I'm all for it. I bow to his greater wisdom. See, I'm easy to get along with. MLB 19:02, 14 July 2020 (EDT)
Change made. Thanks! -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:20, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Veiled Eliminators Bundle 1 / Crimson Realm Chronicles Bundle 1

For this import and this import, it doesn't look like the imported contents are correct. The imports are bringing in parent titles credited to Angela Waters. However, the publication is credited to Taryn Jameson. It looks like the Taryn Jameson variants should be imported instead unless the publication credit is wrong. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:22, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

My bad. I believe I have corrected the mistake. MLB 21:59, 21 July 2020 (EDT)

Good Job, Henry

Regarding this edit: It looks like the proposed parent title is the same as the current title. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:03, 25 July 2020 (EDT)

No, you missed nothing, I did. I corrected. It seems that this title came out briefly, then was canceled, and then reverted to the old title. Sorry. MLB 11:43, 25 July 2020 (EDT)

Strange Stories, February 1939

I have approved this submission, but I am a bit confused by the first sentence in the Notes field: "Facsimile print-on-demand reprint of the first issue, and the February 1939 of this science fiction pulp magazine." Is there a word missing between "February 1939 of" and "this"? "Issue", perhaps? Ahasuerus 17:50, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

Allan Quartermain

The pub notes for Allan Quartermain state "Misspells Quatermain's name as Quartermain on the cover". This implies it is correctly spelled on the title page. However, the title is entered with the misspelling. Does the note need clarification or title entry incorrect? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:14, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

Also, please check the "Being and Account" as believe that should be "Being an Account". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:45, 28 July 2020 (EDT)

I can fix one, but not the other right now, as the place where that book is stored if forbidden to me for a while. As I live alone, and have some trouble walking, my immediate family would frown on me stumbling, and tumbling down a flight of stairs. Give me a while. MLB 22:56, 28 July 2020 (EDT)
No problem. There is no hurry. I suspect that it was an error in an original version that was just cloned multiple times. I've fixed the ones I could positively identify as being wrong (either from other verifiers or Internet Archive scans). We're just down to a couple now, but it's been with us for quite awhile. Not going to hurt anything being there for awhile longer. Thanks! -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:46, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Audiobooks and maps

When cloning to create audiobooks, don't forget to leave unchecked the "interior art" checkbox on the clone screen -- they cannot have illustrations and maps (and if they do, notes need to be added to that effect somewhere :) ). I removed the map from this one and a few more while approving - so just heads up for the future. Annie 05:01, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Thanks: Haven't seen you around for awhile, glad to see you're okay. MLB 15:58, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
A bit of work related stuff keeping me away from the site and when I had time for it, there were some urgent tasks to finish so I was rarely looking at the queue. :) Annie 16:51, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

Deadly Descendant (Jenna Black)

  • Self-Extraction doesn't occur in all copies: a normal [1]2–355 pagination seen in PV.

    Deadly Descendant (Jenna Black)

    In my copy of [[7]] the pagination is normal. I was about to add the following to the notes, but decided to touch base with you first.

    Self-Extraction doesn't occur in all copies: a normal [1]2–355 pagination seen in PV.

    It Seems possible that your copy is just a messed up manufacturing, but I'm not sure if I should clone your copy, or what. --GlennMcG 19:59, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

    Well, it seems possible that I may have a collectable item. The thing is, if yours doesn't have the self-extraction, just clone, but leave out the extract. MLB 22:43, 29 July 2020 (EDT)

    Ghosts & Scholars #26

    I made some changes to your verified Ghosts & Scholars #26, entirely to conform to the earlier issues of this pub. I've recently acquired the entire run of 33 issues and have been working my way through them. If you want to reverse my edits, feel free to do so. By the way, did your copy have "Haunted Library News, June 1998" laid in? [User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 20:19, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

    In response to your first question. No offense, go right ahead, make mine conform to yours. In response to your second, I got my issues from a second-hand source, and so, no "Haunted Library News". (***sob***).
    Ghosts & Scholars was a great magazine wasn't it? Still missed after all these years. MLB 20:54, 2 August 2020 (EDT)
    Interesting stuff, indeed. I understand a 'zine of the same name started up in 2019 with issue #34, but I haven't seen one yet. I was fortunate to get Hugh Lamb's copies, so I'm not sure if the "Haunted Library News" that are laid in were supplied with the 'zine or obtained separately and put in by Lamb. There are also some postcards and notes from Pardoe in several issues. Bob 23:21, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

    Ghosts & Scholars #29

    I made more of the same kinds of changes to your verified G&S #29. You had scanned the covers, but never loaded the new scan onto the pub! That threw me a bit when I saw two names for the cover art. Bob 15:20, 3 August 2020 (EDT)

    Well, excuse me. Stick your head out the nearest window. That's not thunder you hear, but me banging my head against a wall. :) MLB 21:34, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
    Wow!! You really do sound like thunder! Bob 16:42, 4 August 2020 (EDT)

    The Torch

    I had to reject this edit. For serialized works, we date the parent with the date of the first book publication, not of the serialization. The logic behind this is provided at Template:TitleFields:Date. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:29, 9 August 2020 (EDT)

    You'll have to forgive me if I say this rule makes no damn sense at all. There are novels that have been serialized and never put into book form, and novels and short stories that have been revised/altered from one printing to the next. Does each deserve a new copyright date? I'll accept this 'cuz I'm just a peon, but when a book appears in print is when a book appears in print. Still, time to move on.
    I only brought this up because I'm reading the novel now. MLB 21:04, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
    You are not the only one who think that this makes no sense at all - but it has to do with the dawn of history and the beginning of the project and a decision being taken to treat them this way (thus having our "first edition date" match the "standard" first edition date - aka - the date of the first book form). If it is the same text, it is the same text but oh well - we do what the community had (and is still seem to have) agreed on. Annie 21:44, 9 August 2020 (EDT)
    Maybe time for a rules discussion? It never made any sense to me either... We have some conventions that are holdovers from the way things were captured in early genre bibliographies and it may be one of those. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:54, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
    Let's wait out August (vacations and all) and I am all for starting the discussion. Especially because that has bearing on where the novel appears in the bibliography page when you order chronologically... Annie 16:59, 10 August 2020 (EDT)

    Shadow's Torment

    Regarding this edit: We already have a publication with the new ISBN here. It has a different cover, but when I follow the link to Amazon, it shows the same cover as the one you are editing. Do you know if the existing record is a valid one? Or is this another case of a misleading Amazon cover and we have a duplicate entry? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:17, 17 August 2020 (EDT)

    Okay, I am responsible for everything this woman has done on this site. I keep track of the authors that I add to this site and she's one of them. I've been updating her works and she keeps reprinting her books under new titles and covers, and it looks like she's done it again, but now her books have different covers and and a different author's name, plus a different page count; bigger letters and larger margins, or were the books revised? Who knows? I can only list what I see on Amazon. Until somebody primary verifies these books we may never know. I try to do my best, but Goodreads was no good in this case either. It may be a case of "Harlan Ellison Syndrome" in which the author is constantly revising their works. Again, I don't know. Some authors can't settle on a definite version of their works. MLB 20:52, 17 August 2020 (EDT)
    Yeah, non-traditional publishers are not always kind to us bibliographers. They are not as concerned with edition & printing statements, reusing ISBNs, etc. I approved the edit. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:32, 18 August 2020 (EDT)

    Across the Universe: Tales of Alternative Beatles


    Can you check this one. Is the first author "Andrandee Dawn" or "Randee Dawn"? Thanks! Annie 01:22, 1 September 2020 (EDT)

    Yes, yes. The September/October issue of Analog seems full of typos. The author listed in review credits is Andrandee Dawn. I should have caught that typo. Sorry. MLB 15:19, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

    A Bubble Burst

    Yesterday you changed the date of this title to 1903-05-00. The title record however is a variant of this record, and according to our rules (third bullet) variants are dated on "the earliest known date when this variant record was published", in this case 2017-06-02. The parent record already has the 1903 date. Thanks, --Willem 14:46, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

    Goodnight vs. Good Night

    Hello. Could you have a look over here, as an editor wants to update the title of a pub you've verified. I'm inclined to accept, but could you confirm the change is OK with you? Thanks! MagicUnk 17:32, 4 September 2020 (EDT)

    Changed it. Must have been a subconscious typo. MLB 17:56, 4 September 2020 (EDT)
    Thanks for the confirmation! As an aside, I updated the pub so that the pub title, contents title, and art title could be updated simultaneously-only one edit needed instead of three (more economical :), hence the reject. Regards, MagicUnk 14:13, 5 September 2020 (EDT)

    Ark Liberty

    I've added cover art credit to Ark Liberty since that artwork is featured on page 15 of David Mattingly's artbook Alternate Views, Alternate Universes (the signature is hidden under the publisher's red bar). Susan O'Fearna 17:27, 15 September 2020 (EDT)

    Thanks. MLB 18:59, 15 September 2020 (EDT)

    Edit to Armor of God

    I'm holding this edit. Your edit would effectively delete the paperback edition. Did you perhaps intend to clone this rather than update? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

    No. Doctor's appointment. Check it out later. MLB 11:47, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
    Meant to clone. Egads, sir, will do it right this time. MLB 15:58, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

    Ride the Star Winds

    I'm trying to change the cover artist credit for Ride the Star Winds -- the book itself (and the amazon look inside) says cover art by Stephen Hickman, but the art appears on Alan Pollack's website (under Science Fiction) and I pm'd Steve on FB and he says that isn't his art! Susan O'Fearna 14:14, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

    Okay, change it if you wish. MLB 15:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
    Hi. There are now two COVERART records for this pub. I've asked Susan here to remove the wrong one, and add a note to explain the artist mixup. Could you have a second look in your verified tp and confirm that the coverart artist has, indeed been credited to Stephen Hickman on the copyright page of your copy? Thanks! MagicUnk 13:57, 22 September 2020 (EDT)
    This publication is now in storage where I can't get at it, but this screen grab is what I went by. However, if Steve Hickman claims that it is not his, I can only think that he was commissioned for a cover then Alan Pollack's artwork was used instead, but the book credit's were never changed. However, if Susan claims that Alan Pollak is taking credit for this, and it's on Pollak's website, then I'll take her word for it. This just sounds like a publisher's mistake. MLB 18:42, 22 September 2020 (EDT)
    OK. Thanks for the confirmation. Regards, MagicUnk 01:26, 23 September 2020 (EDT)

    Asimov's Science Fiction, July-August 2020

    Hello, could you confirm that the story title in Asimov's is indeed spelled as 'Nic and Viv's Complusory Courtship '? Ie complusory instead of compulsory, or is it a typo. Thanks! MagicUnk 15:32, 18 September 2020 (EDT)

    This must of been a typo, my copy has the correct spelling. Corrected. MLB 20:34, 18 September 2020 (EDT)
    Thanks for the confirmation. MagicUnk 06:26, 19 September 2020 (EDT)

    Wisps, Spells and Faerie Tales

    Hello. I have your submission for an update of Wizard Fight on Sixth Street on hold, as I noticed something odd in the publication record of Wisps, Spells and Faerie Tales; the ASIN & Goodreads link to the correct publication, but the contents as entered in the ISFDB does not match the contents as shown by LookInside on Amazon. Looks like a mistake happened with the contents of the pub? Could you have a look? Thanks! Regards, MagicUnk 14:54, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

    To make a long boring story short, but no less boring. My computer has a tendency to not switch to a new page, but to go to a new page and still keep the old one also. It did this again, and I got the two ebooks mixed up. I believe it is corrected now. MLB 15:47, 21 September 2020 (EDT)
    In case you're curious, here's a screen grab of the table of contents of the poetry section of the April 2009 issue of Kaleidoscope. MLB 15:52, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

    Sparkly Badgers' Christmas Anthology: In Aid of Avon Riding Centre for the Disabled


    Had to hard-reject the clone for the ebook on this one - a merge killed one of the titles. Can you please resubmit? Thanks! Annie 14:09, 28 September 2020 (EDT)

    Sure. MLB 16:56, 28 September 2020 (EDT)

    Those variants

    What exactly are you trying to do with this variant and the others like that? It looks like you are creating empty parents which are exactly like the child record? What are you trying to achieve? Annie 10:13, 6 October 2020 (EDT)

    Well, it seems I'm responsible for this: there must have been a crossing of actions. I found on the artist's webpage the credit and transformed 'May Dawney Designs' into 'May Dawney', while you, Mark Louis, seem to have submitted your part simultaneously, resulting in a not meaningful varianting. Christian Stonecreek 11:30, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    Hold on a second. Am I missing something here? We had a credit based on the Look Inside of the actual book (primary source) and for some reason we transformed it into a credit based on a site (secondary source). This should had been handled with a variant -- we go by the book when we know what it says, not based on the secondary sources (and from there the canonical name of the artist as it is a secondary source). Not that I like the "Design" author names but this "change" sounds backwards to what we are supposed to be doing... and the title page of the actual book does use that name. Annie 12:01, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    When I entered both names, they were based on Amazon's Look Inside feature. I just listed what I saw. Much like putting a Phd or something similar behind a person's name. MLB 17:44, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    Or this. I don't make the rules, I just follow them. If a person lists their name one way on one book, and then they list it another way on another, it's not up to me to change things. I'm just a lowly editor here just followin' them there rules already set down. MLB 18:23, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    MLB, I was agreeing with you on this one and questioning Christian's fix (and asking if I am missing something in it). By the time I got to your submission, he had already changed the names inside of the records -- thus making your variants non-viable. Annie 18:29, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    Weeeellll, okay, just asking. I'll let it go just this once. You're forgiven. Heh. ;) MLB 18:36, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    Hmm, in the early years of mine I was told that we should credit artists (and authors) - that is: human beings - whenever possible, and the corporate 'May Dawney Designs' stands for May Dawney as per her website.
    This is possible for art credits, where we try to credit the actual artists even when they are miscredited or not credited at all. Christian Stonecreek 23:15, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    And if that is your reasoning, two things should have happened - a note should have been added to the publication that is changed indicating the actual credit (instead of just deleting information sourced from the book directly - secondary source can be used to correct information from the book if it is wrong but a note is mandatory when that happens - the way you left the publication sounds like the book itself had no credit) and there should have been a discussion about that with the editor who added the original credit, not to mention the list of moderators who approved them - you are doing the same thing again - changing things to look how you like them even if everyone else seems to think otherwise. Shall we take that whole conversation on how we want to credit in this case to R&S as this site is supposed to work in such cases instead of having a single editor making decisions on his own against the apparent consensus and without discussion? Annie 23:59, 6 October 2020 (EDT)
    I did add according notes to the publications. As written above it wasn't my idea to use the credit: the initial impulse most likely came either from Bill Longley or Michael Hutchins, who were very helpful in my early years at ISFDB. The way of crediting works of art is usual. Just look at the recent detective work of Susan (O'Fearna), Hyju or Horzel, so it was done totally in line with the apparent consensus. Christian Stonecreek 03:12, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

    (unindent) As far as I can tell, there are three separate issues here:

    1. What do we enter in the Cover Artist field when the cover art is attributed to a corporate entity like "May Dawney Design"? I don't think this issue is currently covered by Help. The last Rules and Standards discussion -- at least the last one that I can find -- was in May 2015 and was inconclusive. The main problem with using "May Dawney" instead of "May Dawney Design" is that it's entirely possible for "May Dawney Design" to have additional employees (temporary or permanent) or outsource some orders. This is probably a bigger issue now than it was in the past because of the proliferation of self-publishing and assisted publishing arrangements which outsource different tasks. We may want to revisit the issue on the Rules and Standards page.
    2. If we enter a Cover Artist name which differs from what is stated in the book, should we document the differences between what the book says and what our record says in Notes? I believe the answer is an unambiguous "yes". In this case the Note field says "Cover art credit from the artist's website", but it should be expanded to say something like "Cover art credited to "May Dawney Design" on the book's title page. According to May Dawney's web site, she is responsible for the art attributed to "May Dawney Design", so the ISFDB record credits her as the cover artist, ."
    3. If an editor makes the change described in item 2 immediately above, should he or she use the publication record's Edit History to find the other editors who have worked on the publication and notify them? The answer is definitely "Yes" with a capital "Y". This is very important and the main reason why Edit History pages have been implemented over the last year. Making a change is only one part of the puzzle. Making sure that other editors understand why the change was made and agree with the reasoning behind it is even more important. If they don't understand the reasoning or don't agree with it, they will continue to do things differently. Then we'll have different editors using different data entry standards and/or stepping on each other's toes, wasting everyone's time and generating needless conflict and frustration.

    This goes back to our earlier (2019-2020) discussions re: communications between editors. Please -- please -- make sure to communicate your changes to the other editors who have worked on the same records. A project which lets multiple editors change the same records can only succeed if the editors communicate with each other. Ahasuerus 16:05, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

    Thanks for the input: I have changed the notes. The way it is now definitely makes things more clear. Christian Stonecreek 06:50, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

    Kaleidotrope, April 2009

    Were the 5 records at the bottom of this one really called "Kaleidotrope, April 2009" or was there a copy/paste mistake? :)Annie 15:28, 21 October 2020 (EDT)

    The website gives a group credit for the artists but does not identify which pieces of art illustrate which story. Until somebody with a copy can say what goes where, I just treated them pieces of unnamed pieces of art. I see that I misidentified several as short stories instead of illustrations. I'll go and fix that. MLB 15:35, 21 October 2020 (EDT)
    Ah, that explains it then :) I was really wondering about these 3 stories. Annie 15:52, 21 October 2020 (EDT)

    Virgil Finlay Card Set

    I did get the card set you found on etsy, and finally entered it into the data base. Bob 12:14, 24 October 2020 (EDT)

    If I can ever cough up the money I'm gonna hafta buy a set. Thanks for letting me know. MLB 19:54, 24 October 2020 (EDT)

    Omegaverse lawsuit links

    Hi. I have your submission on hold as I don't think these links belong in the Omegaverse series record as these links are about the lawsuit, not info about the series themselves (I think). I'm inclined to reject your edit. Do you have any objection? Regards, MagicUnk 09:00, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

    I do think that they are about the Omegaverse. They go through what the series, and what the sub-genre is about. Especially since the author is trying to sue everybody because she believe she invented the sub-genre. This is like E. E. "Doc" Smith trying to sue every other writer for writing Space Opera. In the end, it also deals with other authors that might end up on this site someday. Myself, rape and rape fantasies are offensive, but it is a form of speculative fiction. If you still wish to reject, I won't put up a fight, but these YouTube videos tell more about the genre and the author's books than a few tags would do. MLB 11:51, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
    Okay. As I didn't sit through 2+ hrs of youtube, I'll rely on your summary. Approved. Regards, MagicUnk 15:44, 26 October 2020 (EDT)
    I'd add at least part of this explanation in the notes :) Annie 15:58, 26 October 2020 (EDT)

    I Am Eden [2]

    I had to reject this merge. Both records were from the same publication. Looking at the Internet Archive scan, the two figures are different so the second record should actually have been a [3]. I have edited the title accordingly. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:29, 31 October 2020 (EDT)

    Okay, sorry about the mistake. MLB 10:32, 31 October 2020 (EDT)

    Redwall / Jacques -- 16th printing PV

    Your PV of [8] has a cover image [9]. However when I attempt to upload a cover image for the 1st printing record [10], it warns that I'd be overwriting your image.

    Differences (of mine to yours):

    • Much lighter blue for edge background elements, verse, and illustrations.
    • $4.50 price
    • "Printed in U.S.A. on back lower right, running vertically.

    I'm not sure how to proceed. Thoughts? --GlennMcG 15:06, 1 November 2020 (EST)

    Every printing has it's own image number, I think, so if you're trying to download a new image to another printing you shouldn't have any problem. I don't know, maybe you should list this question on help page, questions usually get good results there. MLB 19:45, 1 November 2020 (EST)
    Or your friendly neighborhood moderator can drop by and help :) The 16th printing file name should have been RDWLLPWRNK0000.jpg. The image BKTG06967.jpg belongs to the first printing. So most likely when the 16th printing was created, the cover was by mistake added to the first and then just linked to the 16th (or something along these lines). You can see here that it links to the 1st printing from Avon from 1990-00-00. So in order to untangle:
    • MLB reuploads his cover to the proper place and changes the link into the 16th.
    • Glenn then overwrites the existing image for the first and adds the link to the 1st.
    • Annie deletes the old image from the 1st printing.
    If any of you have any questions, please let me know. :) Annie 20:00, 1 November 2020 (EST)

    The 2020 Look at Space Opera Book

    I approved your clone of the above pub, but the cover art and introduction are dated after the publication date of the trade paperback. Please fix the dates. Bob 22:51, 14 November 2020 (EST)

    Sorry, I was suddenly called away on an emergency conference with some doctors, hypodermics, IVs, anti-biotics, and forced bed rest. AGAIN! Will get right to it. MLB 17:47, 23 November 2020 (EST)

    Worm Dentral Tonite! (afterword)

    I'm holding this edit which would impact your verified pub. Is this a database typo and the edit should be approved? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:21, 27 December 2020 (EST)

    Sounds like a typo on my part. Something I'm famous for. Please go ahead and change it. MLB 15:11, 27 December 2020 (EST)

    Genesys X

    And the source for this is? We need to add the source when quoting :) Annie 03:58, 23 January 2021 (EST)

    Yeesh!!! Guess I forgot. You can add ― quoted from this book’s product page on its product page as of 2021-01-22 to that quote. MLB 04:04, 23 January 2021 (EST)
    Done :) Annie 04:05, 23 January 2021 (EST)

    The Bayou Hauntings Bundle

    The only place that calls this book this way is Amazon - both the cover AND the title page have "The Bayou Hauntings: Books 1-6". Fixed now but don't trust good old Amazon and their child Goodreads that much on titles. :) Annie 04:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)

    The Last Christmas

    How sure you are that this is a novella? The paperback is over 200 pages and a quick count shows more than 200 words per page (168 on ebook but even that is close enough to make it closer to a novel for me...) And it claims to be a novel on the cover - I think it is too close and I lean towards a novel here... but up to you. Annie 04:05, 23 January 2021 (EST)

    I'm in the middle of watching a movie, but I'll go back and change it later. MLB 04:06, 23 January 2021 (EST)
    No worries - I will change it. Movies? Your insomnia keeping you up again :) Annie 04:09, 23 January 2021 (EST)
    Sorry :( This one is fixed - hopefully you will feel better soonish. Annie 04:11, 23 January 2021 (EST)


    I approved the magazine but there are a few typos in the author names. I do not have my kindle handy to check if they were misspelled in the magazine or on the DB so if you do not mind, check the spelling again? Thanks! Annie 06:16, 3 February 2021 (EST)

    Werewolf M. D.

    Should have rejected this one - these were the wrong versions - we need the ones matching the book title - so the ones by Taylor Haiden. I will fix it. Annie 16:09, 4 February 2021 (EST)

    I had the correct title, but it was changed by another moderator, so I left it as it was. MLB 16:16, 4 February 2021 (EST)
    Um, forgive me, but do you ever sleep? You never seem to stop here on this site. :) MLB 16:16, 4 February 2021 (EST)
    I know - I fixed the title later and added a note explaining why... This note was about the import: these were the wrong novels inside - you grabbed the ones from Brian Ference and not the variants by Taylor Haiden which we need actually because of the author of the book. :)
    Sleep had been known to happen :) I just tend to do what I can when I can in between other things and my day job had been some weird hours -- so it seems as if I am always here. Annie 16:25, 4 February 2021 (EST)

    Shattered God Mythos

    Hello, I've accepted your submissions of the Shatterd God Mythos stories, but removed the pub series title from The Little God and Home Sweet Home as these are not publication series, but title series instead (story already existed in the DB). In addition, I've removed the publisher (Petrifying Pages) as well, as there's no mention of publisher anywhere (and no secondary sources either - at least not that I could find) - we never enter assumed or derived data. That information can go in the Notes. I've also updated the publisher to 'Pure Print Publishing / Petrifying Pages' for the others, as Petrifying Pages is the Horror imprint of Pure Print Publishing, and that was already in the DB too. Regards, MagicUnk 11:24, 5 February 2021 (EST)

    Okay. This is why your job is still entirely safe from me. :) MLB 12:49, 5 February 2021 (EST)

    Propósito alterno

    Not sure why you decided that this one is Portuguese - but every single source says Spanish and the first page reads Spanish to me... The Portuguese version is "Propósito alternativo" (here for example). Annie 22:35, 5 February 2021 (EST)

    Okay. Amazon lists this as saying it's the Portuguese edition. You're multi-lingual, so I'll take your word for this. MLB 22:37, 5 February 2021 (EST)
    Which Amazon? USA/com, UK and Brazil all say Spanish for me and Spain and Mexico do not list a language at the top which means Spanish (and both say in the pub details: "Idioma : Español" as expected). From the others, a few do not list it, the ones that do all say Spanish as well (I just looked through them in case one is messed up). Can you post the link you are looking at because I am very confused? Annie 22:47, 5 February 2021 (EST)
    Right here. MLB 22:58, 5 February 2021 (EST)
    Oh, I see, there's two separate editions. MLB 23:00, 5 February 2021 (EST)
    OK, so I am not getting crazy :) Yep, one each per language and in this case the title is slightly different - alterno vs. alternativo. (not always the case but it helps separating them here). Careful with capitalization - unlike English, the romance languages use sentence case - only proper nouns and the first word is capitalized. Annie 23:06, 5 February 2021 (EST)

    (unindent) Three small things here:

    13.97 x 21.59 cm is tp, not pb (if you see anything over 19 cm, it is a tp; you will almost never see pb in the translations in the authors you usually work on..., not :)
    When a book has ISBN starting with 979, it will also have an ASIN starting with B and we want these so our links work properly. Self-published books and books from small publishers are now using more and more 979s so keep that in mind. Annie 04:53, 6 February 2021 (EST)
    And it seems like the paperbacks for this author are priced for the US market regardless of the language... Annie 04:57, 6 February 2021 (EST)
    I'll try harder. MLB 05:03, 6 February 2021 (EST)


    Hi! Could you please take more care of our rules of capitalization. This will again need to be fixed. Thanks, Stonecreek 15:22, 18 February 2021 (EST)

    I'm a moron. I looked and didn't see. I rushed and took no care. I'll redo this book. MLB 19:37, 18 February 2021 (EST)
    Thanks for the heads up. I hate being sloppy, which seems to be my default setting. So, I've corrected this book into this book. I've also corrected the date of the art. I apologize, and hope to do better in the future. MLB 19:59, 18 February 2021 (EST)

    Beneath Ceasless Skies issue varianting

    Did you mean to be varianting issue #279 into #278, here? I've placed it on hold for the moment to make sure. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:19, 24 February 2021 (EST)

    Ah, nevermind. I didn't notice they were the cover art at first. I've approved it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:21, 24 February 2021 (EST)

    Forced Rejections

    Good evening,

    Left you an answer and explanation over in the help desk, with an example with one of the rejections which I hope will make the whole thing clear. If not, just ask :) Annie 22:47, 4 March 2021 (EST)

    Dating magazines

    We never use Amazon to date magazines :) So the date of this remains its official publication date; the Amazon date can go into the notes regardless if it is earlier or later. I fixed it after I approved the rest of the changes. That's different from how we handle books (one of the many differences between magazines and books). Annie 19:23, 5 March 2021 (EST)

    And yet, you told me that this publication was both and an ebook and a magazine. So, I'm listing both, the Amazon ebook version, and the publisher's webzine version, both of which are similar, but different from each other. The Amazon ebook version seems to downloaded to Amazon a week earlier than the slightly, but very real, different webzine version. A date should be a date. If the Amazon version is available a week earlier, then that's the date that should be used for the Amazon version. I think. MLB 20:46, 5 March 2021 (EST)
    Nope. I told you it is both ebook and WEBZINE. ebook/webzine is a format like paperback is for example. That is why we want BOTH of them as we want a hc and a tp for a book if both were published. Magazine is a type of publication (like a NOVEL or a COLLECTION) - it does not matter if the format is ebook/webzine/paperback - it is a magazine and follows the rules for magazines dating.
    Analog get shipped weeks before its cover date. When I was getting it on paper I was getting it long time before its printed date. We still use the date on the cover. Having the magazine in electronic format does not change the rules. Annie 22:05, 5 March 2021 (EST)
    PS: If you want to change the rules for dating magazines, please feel free to make your case over in R&S. But as things stand, books are dated based on their actual publication dates; magazines are dated based on their covers (schedules/whatever else can be used). Most magazines will be 2020-10-00 or 2020-00-00 only (like Analog does) but this one has a biweekly dated schedule so we use that (like any other magazine that comes out every week or every other week does). Annie 22:11, 5 March 2021 (EST)
    PS2: And the dates on one of those was important - even though Amazon dates it as 2018, it is 2019 for awards eligibility because its official date is 2019 even if it was out a few days early (this is why we date magazines like that - all of the field awards do that with magazines when looking at eligibility). Having the magazine (and because of that the stories) as 2018 here will be misleading. Annie 22:18, 5 March 2021 (EST)
    Well, since you and me poor sainted mum were both named after St. Anne of Luxemburg, who discovered in the sixteenth century, that if you pumped lots of raspberry jelly into a sweet round baked confection you made God's most perfect food, ever, I'll take your word for it. :) And if that St. Anne story isn't a true story, it should be, but, be that as it may, I'm just a lowly foot soldier-editor and you're the general-moderator, and since them's your orders, it's up to me to carry them out. I'll try to do better in the future. MLB 02:28, 6 March 2021 (EST)

    Weird Tales Vol. 1 No. 1, March 1923

    A few small changes: Added ASIN (979 ISBNs need them), Added a note on the title (cover vs title page) and added "Pulp Fiction Classics" as pub series... it feels like one based on how the covers and the pages look. If you disagree with the latter, pull it out - I am not really convinced it is but cannot think of where else to stick it and it is on the title page and on the cover. :) The result is here. Thanks! Annie 23:55, 15 March 2021 (EDT)

    Looks fine to me. I was going to add "Pulp Fiction Classics" myself, but, **BLUSH-BLUSH**, I forgot. I'm so embarrassed. Thanks. MLB 00:07, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
    Hey, I need to earn my keep around here ;) Something should be left for me to fix. No worries at all. :) Annie 00:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
    You do not need to add <br> to make a new line in the DB, just press enter. We had not needed br for at least 5 years now... :) Annie 03:06, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
    I've been doing this since 2012, and you know how we old folks are, sometimes these newfangled ways of doing things just get by us. I'll try to remember your wise words and try not let my ignorance get in the way of my edits. MLB 04:46, 16 March 2021 (EDT)

    Curse of the Pharaohs

    Goodreads and OCLC as sources means that we need the IDs to be added here. Can you add them please? And I also made that a novelization based on what you wrote on the title level. Thanks! Annie 13:00, 17 March 2021 (EDT)

    Done. MLB 14:25, 17 March 2021 (EDT)
    Unless Manor Books is the same as "Corgi Childrens" this is not the correct Goodreads one. And I see no indication on Manor or on any Corgi for that relationship. Do you have another GR or do we need to pull off GR as a source? Annie 16:53, 17 March 2021 (EDT)
    It's been a long day. Got it right this time. MLB 20:03, 17 March 2021 (EDT)


    About this one: Goodreads does not have either a date or an ISBN, Amazon UK does. So adding that as a source. Do you want me to notify you when I add sources like that (to account for all the data) or do you want me to just add them and leave it at that? Thanks for adding it! :) Annie 01:14, 18 March 2021 (EDT)

    Dammit, dammit, dammit. Looks like I've been making too many mistakes lately. I'll just have keep trying harder. Yeah, add the information if you so wish. MLB 01:36, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
    No worries at all :) Added it - we are all set :) Annie 01:43, 18 March 2021 (EDT)
    Thanx. MLB 01:46, 18 March 2021 (EDT)

    Mark Clements

    In Dark Discoveries #26, Winter 2014, there is an interview on page 43 of Mark Clements, which is an author with no content in the database. Is this Mark A. Clements? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:57, 20 March 2021 (EDT)

    Yes. MLB 15:00, 20 March 2021 (EDT)
    Thanks. Interviewee names should always be entered using the author's canonical name (see here). I have updated the record. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:25, 20 March 2021 (EDT)

    Planck vs Plank


    Could I get you to double check the title of this poem in the March-April 2020 Analog. It's been nominated for the Anlab award and at both File 770 and the Analog website, they list the nomination as "Planck", whereas we have it as "Plank". Also while I've got your attention regarding this award. We've got the award ranked. The secondary sources will say who won, but don't give the lower rankings and we're missing that data for the 2018 and 2019 award years. I was curious if the winners announcement in Analog has the full rankings. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:26, 20 March 2021 (EDT)

    There's Batman, there's Spiderman, and now you've uncovered my superhero identity, it's TYPOMAN. The poems title really is Planck. I can change it as soon as my queue is cleaned out. Looking for my 2018 issues, but I've got the essential 2019 issue right here. As soon as I figure out how to do it, I'll try to add the runners up for the 2019 AnLab Awards. MLB 13:47, 21 March 2021 (EDT)
    One of the submissions in the queue had to be hardrejected (someone merged something?) so you need to redo it but in the meantime I fixed both the poem and the interior art associated with it in this magazine (after checking my ebook copy of the magazine) :) Annie 18:41, 21 March 2021 (EDT)
    Thanks. Ignore the instructions if you've figured it out, but for the ranked awards, you need to navigate to the award record. e.g., on this page click on the asterisk to the left of the the award you want to edit. From there, click on the "Edit Award" tool, and change the Award Level radio button from "Special" to "Poll place". You will also need to add the rank in the text box next to "Poll Place". Submit that, and we should be good. Do let me know if you you have any questions, and thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:15, 21 March 2021 (EDT)
    I think I got it right. Let me know I if didn't. MLB 20:41, 21 March 2021 (EDT)
    You did and all are approved :) Annie 20:42, 21 March 2021 (EDT)

    Night of the Living Dead

    A few notes and questions on this one:

    • The cover has John A. Russo. Do you have access to the title page somewhere?
    • Where is the format coming from - both GR and say "paperback" and not "mass market paperback" which for 1995/7 is pretty straightforward (the new "tall mmpbs" had not yet made an appearance so our pb is really mmpb? If it is based on the rest of the books of that era for that publisher, we need a note saying so :)
    • says 1997, GR says 1995. A note should be added to the notes explaining the discrepancy if you are using both as sources.
    • When Amazon has a date such as 1997-10-01, especially from before 2005 or thereabouts, record that as 1997-10-00 - the 01 is there because their DB needs a day so they put 1... :) Modern books can be published on the 1st but that far back, it is anyone's guess...

    Thanks! Annie 22:18, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

    A few answers to your questions:
    • A) No. I guess I just didn't see it.
    • B) Again, I assumed. Wrongly. Mostly, because information is sparse on that edition.
    • C) I did not know. Why do I think there may have been two different editions from this publisher?
    • D) I think I had heard that back when I first started editing here eleven years ago, but I had forgotten. Gonna have that tattooed on my forehead. Do you want me to do this entry over? I was adding to an existing record, but that's no excuse. MLB 22:58, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
    C) Either Amazon or GR have the wrong year. Pick one, note the other in the notes :) When we find better information, we can precise.
    D) Most of the 20th century records are from secondary sources and later additions to Amazon... their new data is not too bad generally (well... not great but) but their old one is often from the marketplace and there it can be... interesting.
    Nah, I will approve it and adjust - no worries. Just wanted to make sure I am not missing something :) Annie 23:29, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
    And the result. As usual - edit any notes you do not like the wording of :) Annie 23:33, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

    The Complete Night of the Living Dead Filmbook

    If you insist that this is an Italian book, you will need to provide a source for that (and a note explaining why a book with an English cover and English title is actually in Italian :) Annie 17:17, 9 April 2021 (EDT)

    Sez so right on Amazon: Living_Dead.jpg.
    Except that is not where the ISBN leads to and you did not record the ASIN. When they diverge, we need both - or there is no way to track which book it is. I added the ASIN and the explanation. :)Annie 20:43, 9 April 2021 (EDT)


    Regarding this submission: I question adding a pub series that is the same as the publisher. Wouldn't all their books be a Black Gat Book? Do they have other pub series? If not, this seems like a marketing tag and not a pub series. If so, the 20 would be the catalog id. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:01, 11 April 2021 (EDT)

    You may be right, but it is numbered. I'm a big Brown fan, so I own this book. On the last page there is a list of the first eighteen books, the only other one of interest to this site is one by Leigh Brackett. Maybe no publication series, but keep the number? MLB 11:28, 11 April 2021 (EDT)
    I kept the number but switched it over to a catalog id. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:51, 11 April 2021 (EDT)

    Beneath Ceaseless Skies

    I accepted your edit to change "Beneath Ceaseless Skies, #327" to "Beneath Ceaseless Skies - 2021" and then merged it with the exiting editor record with that title. I assume you were doing the title change in preparation for the merge? If so, an easier way (in the sense of requiring only a single submission) is to go to the editor's page (in this case Scott H. Andrews), click the "Show All Titles" link on the right, select both the individual issue record and the year record, and hit merge at the bottom. In the merge screen, you would then select the "Beneath Ceaseless Skies - 2021" title and 2021-00-00 date and submit. Hope that makes sense. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:46, 11 April 2021 (EDT)

    Los chicos del cementerio

    Fixed the language to Spanish, copied the translator to the title page and fixed the price - the 17.95 is the Amazon price. The recommended price above it (18.90) is what we want - that’s the list price. The result is here. Annie 00:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)

    "Fixed the language to Spanish...", y'know, I'm always messing that part. Sorry. MLB 03:19, 13 April 2021 (EDT)
    Happens when you do not work outside of your default often. And even when you do, it still does (just don’t tell anyone) :) Annie 03:21, 13 April 2021 (EDT)
    Okay then. Sshhh!!! This will just between us two. MLB 03:24, 13 April 2021 (EDT)

    (unindent) A little note about non-English Audibles. Amazon uses different ASINs for audiobooks when they are across their different Audibles (permissions and so on). So if you are using both es and .com on the Amazon side, you need both ASINs from Amazon and preferably both ASINs from the Audible sides. I added the missing Amazon one here plus the link to the Spanish Audible (our external ID is to the US one only so it goes in as a link). Hope this makes sense. :) Annie 16:20, 13 April 2021 (EDT)


    I am pretty sure does not have the price in rupee for this one :) So you need to add another source for this price in your notes. I added Amazon India to both the sources and the price line. :) Annie 16:29, 13 April 2021 (EDT)

    Odgen Nash

    Can you please double check the author's spelling for Victoria? Is the misspelling of Ogden a database type or publication typo? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:29, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

    It seems like I just saw this book around here somewhere, give me a couple of days. MLB 21:08, 14 April 2021 (EDT)
    It's called a dumb-a** editor mistake, or a typo in common par-lay-voo, will correct. MLB 12:39, 16 April 2021 (EDT)
    According to the story's blurb, Victoria is also a variant of this story. MLB 12:46, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

    Swamp Witch

    Can you find this book? An editor thinks that the date should be 1983-07-00 and the cover here and the copyright page there as well seems to agree. Do you have an October book or was that a typo in the month? Thanks! Annie 18:01, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

    Don't know where that book is exactly, I mean, I know it's here on Earth, somewhere, but where...? Good question. You'll have to give me a little time to find it. If I can. MLB 20:08, 16 April 2021 (EDT)
    Well, as long as you did not leave it in Narnia or on Mars... ;) No worries and thanks! Annie 20:09, 16 April 2021 (EDT)
    And guess what? I just found it, and they're RIGHT! The date is 1982-07-00. I can correct it or they can. MLB 17:56, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
    Thanks for checking. For some reason the editor who found it preferred to cancel his submission instead of come and post the message I posted when I asked him to talk to you so we can verify the date. Oh well - we are all good now. :) Annie 18:44, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

    I, USERNAME, shall make an edit since I am the editor who found the correct info, and a moderator will approve it. --Username 19:01, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

    The Last Temptation of Tony the C

    I'm holding an edit that will impact one of your verified pubs. Would you please check Mysterious Cat Stories and see if the story on page 112 also has a period at the end? I will approve or unmerge / variant based on your answer. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:19, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

    I can honestly say, that I don't know where that book is. Most of my hardbacks had to go into storage, and being handicapped, I can't get to them, at least, for awhile. I'll take the other verifier's word as to whether or not there is a period at the end. Forgive me for not being up ISFDB standards in this. MLB 18:07, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
    Okay, thanks. The The Supernatural Index and several online reviews show the period in Mysterious Cat Stories. I have gone ahead and accepted. If down the road you check and find it doesn't have it, we can correct. There is nothing to forgive. We all make typos. You do a lot of good work and that is appreciated. Take care. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:05, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

    Thank you, MLB, for your generosity. --Username 19:06, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

    No problem. MLB 20:35, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

    I checked and 1 of the photos shows contents page with the . after the C, so no need to get your copy out of storage. --Username 09:37, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

    Dangerous Visions

    I picked up a copy of this and note that it states gutter codes are printed on page 544. My copy definately has "Book Club Edition" at bottom of front flap and the number 1179 on the rear flap but alas page 544 has no code at all. Is there anywhere else within the book a gutter code might have been printed ? --Mavmaramis 13:09, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

    I found the gutter code 20K on page 539. Thanks to your helpful guide to guitter codes, where you list an SFBC edition of Brunner's Stand on Zanzibar with that code it appears to be May 1969. --Mavmaramis 15:57, 23 April 2021 (EDT)
    I don't have a copy of Stand On Zanzibar. MLB 02:35, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

    Beneath Ceaseless Skies, #301

    This clone failed. One of the records inside the pub must have changed after you submitted it. The clone will need to be re-submitted unfortunately. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:11, 8 May 2021 (EDT)

    Same with Beneath Ceaseless Skies, #303. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:45, 8 May 2021 (EDT)

    Cloning Change

    Hello! I hold your submission to clone a new pub to this title Change. Perhaps I'm blind, but I could not find a difference between this two titles. Can you help me! Regards Rudolf Rudam 11:22, 28 May 2021 (EDT)

    You are correct. I was going to add the audio book and then fell asleep or got distracted, or something, and then forgot to do so. I'll delete and add the right publication. Sorry. MLB 12:51, 28 May 2021 (EDT)
    There I hope this fixes it. MLB 12:58, 28 May 2021 (EDT)
    This happens to me too! Thanks for adding Rudam 13:47, 28 May 2021 (EDT)

    Cover Artist for Asimov's Science Fiction, January/February 2020

    Hello, MLB! I saw that you verified the data for Asimov's Science Fiction, January/February 2020. The cover art is currently listed as being by Dominic Harman [as by Dominic Harmon]. However, my U.S. subscription copy lists his real name: Cover Art by Dominic Harman for "Not this Tide" [see the top-right of the second page of the table of contents].

    Please check your copy and submit a correction to the publication if that's appropriate. Thanks! --Michael 11:25, 1 June 2021 (EDT)

    **Groan!!** Another typo comes back to bite me. I'll change it later today. MLB 12:37, 1 June 2021 (EDT)

    The Monster-Maker and Other Science Fiction Classics

    For The Monster-Maker and Other Science Fiction Classics, I added in a webpage link to the Internet Archive scan. In doing so, I saw the title of the last story had the wrong spelling and fixed it. If by some off chance, your version doesn't match, let me know and I will restore it and create a new version. But otherwise, they are the same edition/printing. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:57, 12 June 2021 (EDT)

    So the superhero JLaTondreman once again has to right a wrong done by the evil supervillain Typoman. Good going, and tell your bosses that I personally recommend you for a raise. Yeah, and thanks. MLB 19:17, 12 June 2021 (EDT)

    The Innsmouth Cycle

    Full subtitle of this is "The Taint of the Deep Ones in Thirteen Tales and Three Poems" (title page) so I'm going to change it to that --Mavmaramis 12:54, 21 June 2021 (EDT)

    Okay. MLB 12:56, 21 June 2021 (EDT)

    Blizzard Price; price didn't seem right for a hardcover so I checked an eBay copy's photos and changed it to $9.95; I assume yours says the same and $9.99 was a typo? Also, eBay photos didn't show back flap, so does your copy say who did the cover so I can enter that, too? --Username 00:24, 25 June 2021 (EDT)

    I do not believe that an artist was mentioned or I would have listed them. If I find the book again, I'll look. If you find out, go ahead a list it. Sorry I can't do better. MLB 01:09, 25 June 2021 (EDT)

    The Tsathoggua Cycle

    I'm very curious to know where the cover art credit for this came from. When I got a copy of 2nd edition I checked the copyright page. I'm assuming "someone" decided it was Fassl due to the similarity with many others he did for the CoCF series books. But his name is definitely not on the copyright page. Would you mind checking your copy just so I'm not going totally mad. --Mavmaramis 04:30, 25 June 2021 (EDT)

    Of course you're mad. All those who tinker with fiction based on the elderly sacred texts eventually go quite mad. I'll check later today. MLB 12:27, 25 June 2021 (EDT)
    Okay, here's the lowdown: I didn't create the record, I just checked the basic facts, and then verified the book. Yes, I got lazy, thank you for catching that mistake. The cover artist Mark Achilles White and I'll change it. MLB 20:32, 25 June 2021 (EDT)

    The Unseen

    When you have a moment, could you please check the spelling of Stefanie Gerber's name in your verified copies of The Unseen and Bloodshift? It looks like it's a variant spelling of Stephanie Gerber's name and you are the only active verifier with copies of pubs with this version of the name. TIA! Ahasuerus 12:37, 12 July 2021 (EDT)

    Title of Bubble 475/476

    Hello, MLB. If possible, please check the title on the first page of the "RE: Bubble 475" against your primary copy, and correct it to "RE: Bubble 476", if needed.

    The title in the ISFDB is currently "RE: Bubble 475" but I haven't found that title anywhere on the Internet. On the other hand, the author's site ([11]) lists it as "RE: Bubble 476) with a photo of the table of contents. Tangent online ([12]) also uses 476. Thanks!

    --Michael Main 13:37, 14 July 2021 (EDT)

    P.S. We probably don't want to get into those recent physics results that seem to suggest that Bubble 475 is in actuality Bubble 476 and vice versa.

    Typo, will change it. MLB 14:18, 14 July 2021 (EDT)
    Thanks, MLB!

    Everliving Books Press / Sourcery Publishing

    We only normalize minor publisher name changes. When a publisher changes their name completely, the publications should be entered under the publisher name used in that publication. We then use notes to link the publishers' names together. I have updated Everliving Books Press and Sourcery Publishing appropriately. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:56, 24 July 2021 (EDT)

    Okay. MLB 19:30, 24 July 2021 (EDT)

    Nada the Lily interior art

    Hi Mark -

    Please take a look at this discussion. There was a change to the interior art record for our mutually verified edition of Haggard's Nada the Lily. I intend to add INTERIORART records for each of the illustrations matching them to those of the first edition. I wouldn't think you'd have any issues with this, but wanted to keep you in the loop. I'll probably make the edits later today or tomorrow. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:37, 3 September 2021 (EDT)

    No problem, go right ahead. MLB 15:38, 3 September 2021 (EDT)

    Two Factor (Analog Science Fiction & Fact, May-June 2021)

    Hi. Can you have a look here, as there may be a typo in one of your PV'd publications. Thanks! MagicUnk 09:13, 8 September 2021 (EDT)


    Hi, I've rejected your submission, but mentioned the wrong reason :) - the author's name is Morgenstein, not Morgenstern. In this particular case, go with what the cover says, not what Amazon has as author. (unless you have other evidence of course - if you do, please mention that in the note to moderators and in the Pub notes field. Regards, MagicUnk 13:01, 8 September 2021 (EDT)

    HA! Good for you. I actually created this record and I should have caught this! Must of taken too many idiot pills that day. :) MLB 16:16, 8 September 2021 (EDT)

    Jan/Feb 2021 Analog Typo

    I think there is a minor typo on the page numbers on your entry for the Jan/Feb 2021 Analog.

    You've got:

    188 •   Review: The Sentient by Nadia Afifi • review by Don Sakers

    188 •   Review: Psi-Wars by Joshua Viola • review by Don Sakers

    189 •   Review: Genesys X by B. J. Graf • review by Don Sakers

    But it should read:

    198 •   Review: The Sentient by Nadia Afifi • review by Don Sakers

    198 •   Review: Psi-Wars by Joshua Viola • review by Don Sakers

    199 •   Review: Genesys X by B. J. Graf • review by Don Sakers

    --Watchsmart 10:08, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

    Well, if you're so smart, smartypants (grrrr, grrrr, grrrr) :). Ha! Anyway, thanks for catching this, I'll correct. And, yes, I should have caught this. MLB 17:42, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

    Blessed Curse Chapbook

    I've approved your edit adding this chapbook and I noticed your notes to both the title record and publication record of the chapbook. I think you really want that note on the title record of the newly created novella. There are not currently any other chapbooks by that title, so I don't think there's a risk of confusion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:55, 20 September 2021 (EDT)

    Okay, I'll fix that. MLB 16:59, 20 September 2021 (EDT)

    Sophia Freeman and the Mysterious Fountain

    I merged the shortfiction titles and left a note in the cover artists title not to merge them[13] , here's what it looks like if you submit a merge.Kraang 20:33, 26 September 2021 (EDT)

    Thank you. MLB 02:21, 27 September 2021 (EDT)

    Neo Cyberpunk: The Anthology

    Hi MLB,

    About this one. Unless I missed it somewhere, the only credit for Ivano Lago is for cover design (credited on the copyright page) - which means that we do not add a coverart record and just record in the notes. And I fixed the spelling of Forward to Foreword (as it is in the book). Annie 23:23, 27 September 2021 (EDT)

    Depends on who you talk to. I'll take your word for it, but when I started I was informed that the cover designer got the credit when the artist couldn't located. I suppose that was because the designed cover was assembled from various different images. Whatever. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. MLB 23:51, 27 September 2021 (EDT)
    I asked the official source aka the help page: "The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.". Without a credit for art, they do not get a coverart record under the current rules (and yes, that may change one day - that's why I encourage people to add them to the notes...) :) Annie 00:04, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
    Okay. I'm taking your word for it. It won't happen again. MLB 00:08, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
    No worries and thanks for working on the small authors :) Annie 00:22, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

    Changing authors

    Just a gentle reminder: When you change the author of a publication, you need to always change the one in the title record as well (or split the book out if there is more than one publication). I fixed it here. Annie 19:13, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

    Magazines naming and dating

    Hello again,

    Just a quick reminder that we treat magazines differently from books: we date based on cover date and not based on exact dates unless the magazine carries the date inside (then the date is cover date really) and we name with the date and not the issue number when we can derive that (and the number goes into the notes). I did a bit of a surgery on this one (and added the name of the magazine to the Afterword essay which was left without it). Feel free to update anything I wrote in the Notes field if you prefer different wording. And let me know if you have any questions/concerns. Thanks for adding this one! :) Annie 23:01, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

    No, everything's cool. I looked this magazine up on the internet, and found little. Even their webpage says nothing. But, thanks for the guidance. MLB 23:05, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

    Magazine Naming

    I'm approving your edits to add Savage Realms Monthly. One small quibble: The naming conventions are that the separator between the magazine name and cover date should be a comma instead of a colon. I'll go ahead and fix these after approval. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:44, 29 September 2021 (EDT)

    What was going through my little pea brain? Thanks. MLB 13:58, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
    A few updates to these:
    • The dates (As in "date fields") were all over the place (2021-07-00 for the August issue for example, 2021-03-14 for the February one). So I cleared up all of these. Now the grid does not look like a Picasso painting with February in March and August in July ;)
    • When dating same-named artiwork, we use [2] and not (2) after the name :) So I fixed a few of those.
    Thanks again for adding these Annie 14:08, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
    I got careless. Thanks everybody. Had a rough week, but it's no excuse. I knew better. MLB 14:11, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
    Happens to all of us :) Hope your week gets better :) Annie 14:28, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
    Thanks. :) MLB 14:31, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
    On the clones I noticed that we had one Afterword as an Interior Art and one as Shortfiction :) So these are now fixed as well. Annie 14:56, 29 September 2021 (EDT)

    Link to specific books

    When the link for a specific edition, it goes into the Publication Web pages, not the title ones. :) I am fixing this on the Turkish ones you are adding. I am also fixing the formats - Valis is a 12 x 20 cm paperback (paperback from the original link, confirmed on Amazon and Goodreads, size from here for example :) Annie 18:39, 4 October 2021 (EDT)

    And all of them needed a language change from English to Turkish. Not a big deal with novels (although please try not to send them in as English), a nightmare if you send a collection that way. the size of all but Valis is on the original site btw :) Annie 18:50, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
    I don't know how I overlooked the language part, stupidity on my part, I guess. Some of these that I did have mentioned "cardboard" covers, which was vague. Regular trade paperback?, or something like our turtlebacks. Now I know. I'll try harder. No excuses for my mistakes. MLB 21:40, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
    Depends on the publisher. Some are doing the regular tp covers; some are doing the fancy paperbacks with flaps. :) Amazon/Goodreads are usually good for figuring out if it is a hardcover or a paperback when you are not entirely sure (because translations can be fun); then for the latter, if it is 20/21 or higher cm, it is a tp. :)
    For Turkish, it will be "Sert (Kapak)" for hardcover in most places. Karton is a regular/soft cover (as opposed to something as thin as a digest magazine cover for example which is a true "paper" cover); it does translate as cardboard indeed on its own but in this context, it means paperback.
    And no worries - some of these can be... interesting. Annie 22:08, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
    Plus you just made me laugh like a crazy woman with the "Cosmic Cucumber" comment. ;) Annie 22:13, 4 October 2021 (EDT)

    Non-fiction and chapbooks

    Chapbooks are only used for poems and short fiction (including serials); essays when published on their own go into NONFICTION. Just heads up. :) Annie 15:22, 5 October 2021 (EDT)

    Melusine; I deleted the subtitle. None of the other editions use a subtitle, and I recently added/fixed cover art for most editions but this record's subtitle is stopping me from merging the art, since there's 4 editions with the same art. --Username 11:09, 11 October 2021 (EDT)

    Beneath Ceaseless Skies, #340 Clone pub submission

    Had to do a hard reject Title 2930927 is no longer in the database.Kraang 12:04, 13 October 2021 (EDT)

    Dead links

    Adding a note that the link is dead is not very useful unless this is the best we can do. The Wayback Archive usually have a valid link for a site that was alive at least for awhile. See how I fixed it here :) Annie 04:44, 14 October 2021 (EDT)



    About this update from last year: why did we add this series inside of Humanhive Universe? From anything I can find on the Russian sites, it does not belong there at all... so any ideas why did you add it there (and that may also be called exhibit A for why I keep reminding people to write moderator note with explanations). Thanks! :) Annie 19:12, 14 October 2021 (EDT)

    To answer your question, and to do so with an exactitude a person of your intelligence and position deserves: I DON'T KNOW!!! Looks like I got some repairwork to do. MLB 19:36, 14 October 2021 (EDT)
    No worries, I will fix it. I am adding the Russian originals - that's how I noticed. Just wanted to make sure that there is nothing I am missing. :) Annie 19:59, 14 October 2021 (EDT)
    I think I found where you got it from - the Audible cover of the second novel says Humanhive world. Which then gets into a "same name used" situation with the STYX series that has a book with that name. I will untangle both series. :) Annie 20:09, 14 October 2021 (EDT)

    Broken The Death Panel: Murder, Mayhem, and Madness cloning submissions

    Hi. Your two submissions cloning The Death Panel: Murder, Mayhem, and Madness, [14] and [15], can't be processed because one or more titles present when you did the clone operation are gone (probably merged away). These will need to be resubmitted. I don't know what will remain (or how accessible it will be) if I do a hard reject on them, so I've left them for your reference. Submit new clones and cancel these. If you can't cancel them, let me (or the moderator noticeboard) know, and a moderator can reject them. Thanks. --MartyD 11:41, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

    Grumble-grumble. Mumble-mumble. Mutter-mutter. Ohhkay-then. *Pout* :) MLB 19:02, 16 October 2021 (EDT)
    Okay, I've done it. Let's see if I've done it right this time. MLB 20:20, 16 October 2021 (EDT)
    You did nothing wrong last time. It is just a known limitation of the software - clone records the IDs of the titles at the time of the submission and if between that time and the approval one of the titles get deleted (directly or as part of a merge), the submission is not viable anymore. Annie 20:29, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

    "The Great San Diego xxx Bimbo Massacre" in Peaceable Kingdom

    I have a submission on hold that wants to change "The Great San Diego Sleasy Bimbo Massacre" to "The Great San Diego Sleazy Bimbo Massacre" in your verified Peaceable Kingdom. That would normally look ok to me, but I see Locus1 has "Sleasy" for that story in its contents list for both your pub and The Exit at Toledo Blade Boulevard. Would you check/confirm how it is spelled in your book? Thanks. --MartyD 08:04, 18 October 2021 (EDT)

    Okay, here goes. I don't have that book readily at hand, but, I checked it out on Amazon, and the table of contents states that you're right. It is sleazy. I am probably going to die by typo sometime. MLB 13:39, 18 October 2021 (EDT)
    That's ok. If Locus1 hadn't had it as in the record, I would have assumed a typo, but here I figured there was a possibility it was correct. I will accept the submission. --MartyD 06:45, 20 October 2021 (EDT)

    Carla Jablonski

    Let's talk about that. You tried to make her an alternative name of two writers - R. L. Stine and a collective pseudonym of 2 other writers (Rob Kidd). None of those is correct - alternative names cannot have books and not all of hers are Stine's (or someone else's) and alternative names cannot have their own alternative names. So... what exactly are you trying to achieve here? Which books does this concern and so on - so we figure out the best way to do the connections. Thanks! Annie 15:27, 25 October 2021 (EDT)

    Okay, if one goes to Carla Jablonski’s website you can see that she claims to have ghostwritten Calling All Creeps!. In my book, this means that she has ghostwritten this novel, and therefore deserves to get credit for it. No, not all R. L. Stine's are written by her, but if you check his page you will see that he has had a number of novels ghostwritten by others.
    As for the Rob Kidd name, Kidd seems to be a house name for this series, and Jablonski is a book doctor, and on her web page she claims to have written The Siren Song, and yet, her name doesn’t appear here, so I was trying have her listed as an alternate name to Rob Kidd, which, having written one novel in Pirates of the Caribbean series, is a place where her name should be.
    I didn’t know I was doing something wrong, or violating protocols. Life is a learning process. MLB 16:59, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
    I do seem to create more trouble than I'm worth sometimes, I guess. MLB 19:35, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
    Stop that. :) Only people who do not try, do not make mistakes. You are doing a great job - this one is just gnarly. The Kidd then is an easy one - she becomes one of the alternatives for Kidd (the opposite of what you tried). For the other one we have a ghost writing from an active author so we do co-writing credit and do not connect the names. Let me get to it in a few minutes and will post the result back. Annie 20:00, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
    For the Kidd: here it is. You just went the wrong way for it :)
    For Stine. Add the book as by Stine. Then we create a parent title with Stine and her as authors - that puts it on her page as well and we do not connect the names otherwise. The problem with connecting is that the way the site works, if you make someone a pseudonym, they cannot have their own titles. Which obviously will be wrong here. So we do as we did it here, usually also adding notes with a source. Let me know if I can assist with anything else and if you want me to add that Stine book. Thanks for finding this information! Annie 21:00, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
    That sound that you hear is my tearing out of my hair! Let's hope I got it right this time. MLB 21:17, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
    Your poor hair... use some extra conditioner next time :) You are trying - even when you do not get it exactly right, you at least are trying to find a way to do the things that need doing instead of just ignoring them or doing an edit and leaving everything for someone else to mop. Now that you know how to deal with these (and why), next time you will know how to handle. The only reason I had the latter one on my fingertips was because I helped someone fix the second novel of that same series lately - otherwise I would have been still digging through help pages and thinking of options. Annie 21:23, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
    OK - you got the novel right. The excerpt - you tried to edit the variant title (the "as is inside of the book" one). So I had to reject - but I fixed the parent one with the info from the submission I rejected so all set there. Annie 21:28, 25 October 2021 (EDT)
    (ꙨᴥꙨ)!!! I'll try harder. MLB 23:08, 25 October 2021 (EDT)

    The award records


    What were you trying to do with these? None of them had a change on them (and it was not that anyone beat you to the change, no field was changed at all when you submitted). So... what were you trying to do? Thanks! Annie 03:44, 1 November 2021 (EDT)

    I see what I did wrong. I was trying to put each story in its place (second place, third place, etc.), as they are listed in the magazine. I guess I forgot to do that extra step. I'll try again. MLB 05:50, 1 November 2021 (EDT)
    Forgot to change the radio button before submitting? :) Thanks for taking care of these :) Annie 06:01, 1 November 2021 (EDT)
    Yes I did, and now all of my honorable ancestors are shamed by me. :( MLB 06:02, 1 November 2021 (EDT)
    Nah. All of them are too busy scaring children tonight - it is a special night after all. :) Annie 06:21, 1 November 2021 (EDT)

    March/April 2021 Analog Typo

    I think there is a minor typo on the page numbers on your entry for the March/April 2021 Analog. The Reference Library starts on page 199, but you've got it listed at 198. Can you double check that? Thanks!

    --Watchsmart 07:41, 4 November 2021 (EDT)

    I'll check it out. MLB 17:33, 4 November 2021 (EDT)

    Cold Sanctuary

    Careful when you are cloning - you sent this as a tp with 294 pages while it is the ebook record of the tp you cloned out from. your source is also for the ebook and not the tp. All fixed now but heads up. :) Annie 20:50, 11 November 2021 (EST)

    Tim Curran's In the Flesh

    Hi, Mark! By the statement at Amazon and by sheer logic (and likely, also by word count), the last piece 'The Underdwelling' seems to be a NOVELLA, not a NOVEL, and the container title thus a COLLECTION. Could yo please take a second look? Christian Stonecreek 04:57, 12 November 2021 (EST)

    Okay, I'll switch it over. MLB 05:01, 12 November 2021 (EST)
    Done, I hope that I've done it right. MLB 05:06, 12 November 2021 (EST)
    Approved. Do you plan to fix all of these publications now to adjust their types as well? Annie 05:07, 12 November 2021 (EST)
    ? MLB
    You changed the type of the reference title of 5 books (3 that were novels, 2 omnibuses). After that was approved, you need to update the books as well: in the omnibuses to just change the type inside of the book; in the ex-novels to change the type to chapbook and to add a chapbook record to them. You can use the story title record for the list of them so you can work through them. Let me know if you have any questions or if you prefer someone else to complete the type conversions you started with the two edits. Annie 05:21, 12 November 2021 (EST)
    When I switch NOVEL to CHAPBOOK I get When editing publications, the Regular Titles subsection of the Content section must contain one title whose type matches the publication type. For Magazine and Fanzine publications the matching title type should be EDITOR. MLB 05:51, 12 November 2021 (EST)
    Yes. Read my message again. You need to ADD a chapbook in the Regular Titles section in addition to changing the type of the book. You know how when you add chapbooks, you need to manually add a story? Same thing here, just in the opposite direction. You have a story, you need to add a chapbook. Annie 05:59, 12 November 2021 (EST)
    Approved. I also merged the 3 new chapbooks (no way to import them - the software is trying to protect you from doing something weird so you always add new ones when you are doing novel -> chapbook conversions). Thanks for taking care of these :) Annie 06:19, 12 November 2021 (EST)
    Now I need to lay down. This made my head hurt, and it's past my bedtime. MLB 06:22, 12 November 2021 (EST)


    Just a quick reminder: we do not add "(excerpt)" when the title of the excerpt does not match the work. So if the title is "An Excerpt from The Haunting of Willow House" already, we do not need "(excerpt)" :) I fixed it here. Thanks! Annie 13:15, 16 November 2021 (EST)

    Now I know. Your job is still safe Annie. MLB 16:39, 16 November 2021 (EST)

    Asimov's Science Fiction, February 2015

    Can you please double check the title of the poem on page 35 of Asimov's Science Fiction, February 2015? I'm holding this submission which would change the title. What does the title page have? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:46, 25 November 2021 (EST)

    I'll do what I can, may take a day or two. MLB 18:07, 25 November 2021 (EST)
    Been in that happy land of white coats, nurses, and needles for the last week. I'll take everybody's word that l made a typo and that it should be changed. MLB 09:50, 2 December 2021 (EST)

    Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2021

    Hi Mark, can I point you to this submission from a new editor, who wishes to add to an edition of Asimov's that you have verified. I've put the edit on Hold and left a message on this editor's Talk page, which you can add to. Thanks. PeteYoung 00:10, 28 November 2021 (EST)

    Please feel free to add to my entry if need be. MLB 09:44, 2 December 2021 (EST)

    regarding missing short story in Asimov's

    Hi, As I see, you were already informed that there is a missing story in Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2021, namely Phosphor's circle on p. 162-167 and I saw that you've agreed but it hasn't appeared. This is my first edit, so what should I do to insert it? TemplarB 11:27, 11 December 2021 (EST)

    After seeing this message I released your edit from being on Hold and approved it, and I offer my apologies that I didn't see MLB's response earlier. It's now present in the publication, and thanks once again for your contribution! PeteYoung 02:46, 12 December 2021 (EST)
    I apologize for not seeing your message, but we've had a black-out for the last couple of days. MLB 18:09, 12 December 2021 (EST)

    Law of Survival / Kristine Smith

    While PVing [16] I noticed the printing statement in the notes has 'Avon/Eos', but my copy doesn't. Can you confirm? --GlennMcG 16:03, 13 December 2021 (EST)

    Ping? --GlennMcG 20:59, 25 December 2021 (EST)
    Honestly, due to the chaos of the recent couple of years, a number of my books have gone AWOL, and this is one of them. Please fell free to change the publisher's data if you so wish. MLB 21:20, 25 December 2021 (EST)

    Galaxy's Edge, Issue 1: March 2013

    Regarding this submission, a couple of comments/concerns:

    • Shutterstock does not create art. They are a library of stock photos. It would be better to credit the artist (which is diversepixels per the Shutterstock page) instead.
    • The images are not the same. They are very, very similar, but the position of the buildings against the "moon" is different. Unfortunately, I don't see a date on the Shutterstock page so not sure what came first. It's probable that it's the same artist, but the artwork could also be inspired by the cover if the Shutterstock artist saw it.
    • When adding a cover artist credit that is not from the pub, the source should be added to the pub notes and not the moderator notes.

    Thoughts? -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:24, 23 December 2021 (EST)

    I guess I got careless, try harder next time. MLB 14:23, 23 December 2021 (EST)

    Under the Yoke / Stirling

    My copy of Under the Yoke (which I'm attempting to PV) doesn't have a number line. Can you confirm? --GlennMcG 20:47, 28 December 2021 (EST)

    No. I was only a transient verifier. I no longer have that book. MLB 20:54, 28 December 2021 (EST)

    The Rose Sea / Stirling/Lisle

    When PVing The Rose Sea is see the notes indicate a full number line. My copy doesn't have one. Yours? --GlennMcG 17:52, 29 December 2021 (EST)

    Tales from the Red Lion

    Hello, MLB. Happy New Year. In this book, is there a story called "Lion's Share" by Paul Dailing?--Rosab618 16:47, 4 January 2022 (EST)

    No. MLB 19:49, 8 January 2022 (EST)
    Rats. Thanks anyway.--Rosab618 03:49, 14 January 2022 (EST)

    Kaleidotrope, January 2022


    Kaleidotrope is a quarterly, not a monthly and has the season on their title (Spring and so on) and not the month as they shift between the months sometimes and we keep the date as printed (the season IS a date in that regard) (this will probably become Spring 2022 if they hold the pattern of naming). What is the source for the naming here? Did I miss an announcement somewhere that they are changing their practice - I do not see anything about that on their site? Thanks! Annie 21:07, 6 January 2022 (EST)

    No, when I entered the contents there was no date, as I mentioned in the notes, I had no choice but to add the date it was posted. If there is no date or no number, what would you suggest? MLB 23:05, 6 January 2022 (EST)
    If you go here it looks like Ms. Fan has dated this issue Winter 2022. So, I'll change the date. MLB 23:29, 6 January 2022 (EST)
    I’d usually check the previous year and use them as a guide :) And Yep - Winter, not spring. My brain missed a season. :) Thanks for adding it. Annie 23:43, 6 January 2022 (EST)

    Stealth Insurgence

    Regarding this submission: I'm not seeing anything in the Nook preview that shows this is a different publication that this version. We don't create separate records for ebook formats. We treat them the same unless the contents are somehow different. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:24, 9 January 2022 (EST)

    No, not as far as I know, except the Barnes & Noble version has 2 MB, and the Kindle version has 3026 KB, and that might mean something to those with limited memory in their reading devices. Although I have seen different covers, and different posting dates. Others have done it, but now I know better. MLB 20:20, 9 January 2022 (EST)

    Lights Out

    Concerning this submission: where did the price come from? Thanks! MagicUnk 17:01, 13 January 2022 (EST)

    Publisher's website. MLB 00:18, 14 January 2022 (EST)
    Lights Out MLB 00:18, 14 January 2022 (EST)
    Accepted and note + URL added. MagicUnk 07:45, 14 January 2022 (EST)

    Blood and Whiskey

    Hi. I have your submission on hold as I'm wondering why you would add this publication to the database? As far as I can deduce, there's no speculative fiction contents in it? Regards, MagicUnk 11:09, 18 January 2022 (EST)

    Yes I do. If you look at the sheer volume of Bryan Smith's supernatural and horror fiction, then a few over-the-top thrillers should be included on his page. MLB 19:40, 18 January 2022 (EST)
    I disagree - this author is not 'over the threshold'. The volume of his publications is insufficient to warrant non-spec fic horror. So, unless Blood and Whiskey is supernatural, it should not be added to the database. MagicUnk 04:06, 19 January 2022 (EST)
    Well, I would like to put it up for discusion. Just how much supernatural horror does a writer have to write to be over the threshold? MLB 08:33, 19 January 2022 (EST)
    Sure, feel free to put it up on the Community Portal:) MagicUnk 09:07, 19 January 2022 (EST)



    Interested in self-aproving - the new and shiny in between step that just allows you to self approve your submissions and not wait for a moderator? If you decide you are ready for it, I would support it. Annie 18:38, 26 January 2022 (EST)

    Annie, are you trying to groom me to be moderator? I'm not sure that I'm competent to be left on my own. I don't want to let you down. MLB 22:49, 26 January 2022 (EST)
    One day if you want to (although not yet - mainly because of the parts of the DB I had never seen you in) - having the self-approval as a first step is useful (and not an option we used to have). But your edits are clean, you ask for help when you need it and you understand the parts of the DB you work in - so I am comfortable with you self-approving. So I thought I’d stop by and ask if you interested. If you decide you want to, post on the Moderator board and we can see what everyone else thinks. Plus no one is going anywhere - if you need help, someone will help - we just won’t be able to approve/reject your edits. So what do you think?Annie 22:55, 26 January 2022 (EST)

    Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy - Questions and possible edits


    I recently obtained a copy of "The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy". My copy appears to be a first edition, with the same ISBN and a numberline of "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" (I could be confused about what the numberline means).

    I noticed a few issues in the table of contents of my tp copy vs. the two ISFDB entries that I had questions about. (2003 version, that you verified, at, and 2000 version, that Markwood verified, at I should note that the contents of both of these ISFDB entries appear to be identical as noted in the ISFDB TOC.

    The possible discrepancies are:

    1. "The Gray Wolf", George McDonald, p 208, ( does not show up in either ISFDB TOC. It is in both the TOC and the body of the book in my tp version. I would appreciate it if you could check your TOC and body of the book and verify that this story is present in your copy. I'll add it if we can conclude it is present in all copies.

    2. "Introduction....", P 1, does not show up in either ISFDB TOC. It is in my copy in both TOC and the body of the book. I would appreciate it if you could check your TOC and body of the book and verify that this entry is present in your copy. I'll add it if we can conclude it is present in all copies.

    3. A. E. van Vogt's "The Weapons Shop" is listed as such in my copy, both TOC and body of the book and in the copyright info, which does match original publication in Astounding. It is listed as "The Weapon Shop" in the two current editions in ISFDB. I suspect this was a typo, but I could be wrong. I would appreciate it if you could check your copy and let me know if this needed to be revised.

    4. A number of the page numbers for stories are off by 1 page in my TOC and body of the book, vs the two ISFDB editions. I am not sure what is going on here, but I suspect that the the original ISFDB TOC was perhaps using the page the story title appeared on, and not the page the author bio is on for the story that immediately proceeds the title, which is how the TOC in my paper version is put together. This applies to "The Damned Thing" (P81 in ISFDB, P80 in mine), "Dracula's Guest" (P87 in ISFDB, P86 in mine), "The Monkey's Paw" (P95 in ISFDB, P94 in mine), "Catnip" (P126 in ISFDB, P125 in mine), "The Tower of the Elephant" (P257 in ISFDB, 256 in mine), "A Martian Odyssey" (P557 in ISFDB, P556 in mine), "There Will Come Soft Rains" (P719 in ISFDB, P718 in mine), "Dust Rag" (P840 in ISFDB, P839 in mine), "Or All The Seas With Oysters" (P853 in ISFDB, P852 in mine), "Without A Thought" (P869 in ISFDB, P868 in mine), "The Fiend" (P876 in ISFDB, P875 in mine), "Driftglass" (P895 in ISFDB, P894 in mine), "Roommates" (P931 in ISFDB, P930 in mine), "The Undercity" (P952 in ISFDB, P951 in mine), "Opening Fire" (P961 in ISFDB, P960 in mine), "The Engine at Heartspring's Center" (P965 in ISFDB, P 964 in mine), and "The Plague Star" (P1049 in ISFDB, P1048 in mine).

    I checked in with Moderator AnnieMod on this issue. ISFDB is somewhat silent on this issue at the moment, of having the ISFDB TOC page number match the version page number when the author bio is what the version page TOC is based on. She mentioned that the help page needs to be updated to address this kind of issue (if that is what is going on), but she did not give direction to make an edit. I would appreciate your thoughts or confirmation on what is happening here.

    5. Although minor, the "Index" and "Credits" (detailed copyright info) are not listed in either current ISFDB TOC, nor in the Notes. I assume they are present in all editions following the last essay currently noted in the TOC. AnnieMod concurred that this is not mandatory but is helpful, and I'll add them to the Notes unless there is a good reason.

    Given that the TOC for both ISFDB editions of this book appear to be identical, I'll notify the PV (MARKWOOD) that this is doing on and will propose to do the same thing to both editions after we reach agreement. I am approaching you first, as MARKWOOD did note that his copy might be packed away and hard to get at.

    Thanks for your help, and for getting this into the DB originally. Dave888 00:28, 30 January 2022 (EST)

    My sympathies. I had to get this anthology for a college course, and I damn near had to sell a kidney to buy it. Still, that is neither here nor there. So, the fourth point is easy. ISFDS rules state that usually all stories start where the first illustration starts, this can also count for title pages or biographies. If you use other means, then a note would be good. But, the table of contents can be wrong. That being said, it was one of my early edits, and I may have gotten somethings wrong. I was actively discouraged from listing acknowledgements, credits, and indexes when I started, so I usually don't do it now, so go ahead. My copy of this book is in storage, and you'll have to wait until I see if I can find somebody to help me look for it to answer any of the other questions. If you wish to change anything in my listing, please go ahead. MLB 04:15, 30 January 2022 (EST)
    Sorry, Dave888, but I can't add anything to this discussion, since I sold my copy. (Apologies for not having switched my verification to "Transient". Just now fixed that.) And a side note: MLB, sorry you 'damn near had to sell a kidney to buy it', but FWIW, I sold my copy on ABEBOOKS for $80.00, so now at least you know the value of a kidney. ;) Markwood 10:46, 30 January 2022 (EST)
    MLB, thanks for the update and information. I'm not in a hurry on this; I have a note on my ISFDB Tickler List. I did check, and I was unable to find a copy at my regional library consortium, and Interlibrary Loan is not yet working for books. I'd be perfectly happy to check back in a month or two or more. Let me know if you need more time, or if I should just go ahead with the edits. Markwood, my sympathies. I considered myself very fortunate to be able to buy a pretty cheap used copy at about $22, in pretty good shape. I was really hoping to find a library copy, but was not able to. I'm kind of facing the same issue for Heather Masri's "Science Fiction: Stories and Contexts".

    Best wishes.Dave888 19:31, 30 January 2022 (EST)

    I'm not territorial so go ahead and change/add anything if you got the book in front of you. MLB 21:42, 31 January 2022 (EST)
    Thanks. I'll go ahead and make those changes. I appreciate the feedback and help.Dave888 23:11, 31 January 2022 (EST)
    My thanks to you and Markwood for your help. I believe the edits are done for both editions.Dave888 14:15, 2 February 2022 (EST)

    Eagle series numbering

    Hi. I've approved your submissions, but which Eagle is the first in the series (you have two no. 2 in the series atm)? - see here. Regards, MagicUnk 11:56, 2 February 2022 (EST)

    Also, this book,, has what seems to be a signature on lower right. Anyone know who it is? --Username 12:00, 2 February 2022 (EST)
    I've corrected the numbering. Late night. I was using SFE and made a typo flipping back and forth.
    As far as the signature goes, at first, I thought it might be Greg Theakson, but, I think not. I know that I've seen it someplace, but I don't know where. There's also a partial of the signature on another of their books, but Manor was a notorious third tier book company, which might have been a money laundering company for organized crime, and constantly reprinted books and covers without paying anybody, so it might have come from anyplace. MLB 12:54, 2 February 2022 (EST)
    The artist is Fred Hinck. The image is also used on "The Ark" by Jarl Szydlow. --Willem 14:12, 2 February 2022 (EST)
    Thanks. MLB 14:24, 2 February 2022 (EST)

    The Deep Sea Scroll


    What you entered as BN (9781949078220) here is the ISBN of the paperback and our record is for the hardcover. The correct one would be 9781949078244 but BN numbers starting with 978/979 are always ISBNs and should not be added as BN numbers - we already have an ISBN based link to BN in the left menus and you already have the ISBN in the ISBN field. When they do not match as it is the case here, that tells you that they belong to different edition so let's not add them to the wrong editions. I removed it from this book. :) Annie 19:03, 4 February 2022 (EST)

    Thanks. MLB 19:07, 4 February 2022 (EST)


    Congratulations, you are now a self-approver! From now on, creating a submission will take you to the "Approve/Reject" Web page which will let you approve your own submissions. Please note that any pending submissions created in the past (if there are any) will need to be approved by a moderator. Ahasuerus 13:54, 8 February 2022 (EST)

    Check your pending edits please

    You have 5 of them on the board. A moderator can process them (as it turned out) if you require so but none of them has a note asking us to so I assume you just forgot them. As a self-approver, please check your pending page occasionally (at the end of the every day for example) and deal with the things you did not finish :) Thanks! PS: Having fun yet? :) Annie 01:15, 16 February 2022 (EST)

    Done, still getting used to this. MLB 22:17, 16 February 2022 (EST)
    That's normal :)
    PS: And please check your links - always click on them after you approve something to make sure you did not gave a copy/paste accident. Can you please fix:
    • this one - that's an ASIN so move it to ASIN and find again the GR number
    • this one - we kinda need a GR number
    • this one - ASIN/GR again
    A few were moderator-approved and they missed to click on the links as well but they do need fixing so... :) Thanks! Annie 13:53, 17 February 2022 (EST)
    Okay, I do believe that I fixed them. Now if you go to the nearest window and stick your head outside that's not thunder, but me banging my head against my front room wall. MLB 14:10, 17 February 2022 (EST)
    Don't do that - it hurts. Find someone else's head instead :) Thanks for fixing them - mistakes always happen but checking every link/linked ID you add is always a good idea - minimizes the number of mistakes in the long run. :) Annie 14:12, 17 February 2022 (EST)

    Steven Brust / Teckla

    I am posting this to AndonSage and MLB. You are the only two active PVs of Teckla.
    I will PV this and will correct the spelling of "Wilding" to "Windling".
    The pub record states that the cover art is signed but I cannot see the signature. I am aware that Hickman sometimes signs his art with a glyph, as per this publication: Destination: Universe! but I cannot see that on the cover of Teckla either. Can someone put me out of my misery and point me at the signature? Teallach 12:48, 17 February 2022 (EST)

    Just a Heads Up

    I have been working on one of the cleanup reports. It looks like you are using a template for the notes when you create digital audio download publications. You use the format "Novel"(space)Narrator Template for one of the notes. This looks odd in any publication type other than novel. I didn't change any of the 4 or 5 I came across. Advance search shows, 50 chapbooks, 18 collection, and 4 anthologies like this. John Scifibones 17:57, 19 February 2022 (EST)

    Yes, typos are my kryptonite, I try to correct them, but sometimes they seem to slip by me. Point out a few to me and I'll go back and fix them. MLB 22:10, 19 February 2022 (EST)
    Here are all of them. You can even use the same link to check if anymore had accumulated. :) Annie 23:31, 19 February 2022 (EST)
    (Ꙩ.Ꙩ) That many? I'M ON IT!!!! I wasn't planning on eating today anyway. Your wish is command!!!! MLB 23:58, 19 February 2022 (EST)
    When one adds a lot of books, various lists start getting a lot of entries. :) Take care of yourself - these are not going anywhere. :) Annie 00:32, 20 February 2022 (EST)
    Star Date 2022/02/19: Lowly Ensign MLB was contacted by Commander Annie Yotova of the “Starship ISFDB” and assigned the mundane task of cleaning up numerous mistakes made by an anonymous crewmember to the data of the Starship. Ensign MLB is now reporting back that all the glitches have now been corrected with the hope that this will help the “Starship ISFDB” run smoother in its journey into the future…and BEYOND. MLB 04:39, 20 February 2022 (EST)

    Afterw[ao]rd (The Last Gasp)

    Hi, you have a pub of Trevor Hoyle's The Last Gasp PVed - it looks like the "afterward" is a typo dupe of the "afterword" from another pub, and should probably be merged? Thanks ErsatzCulture 13:46, 25 February 2022 (EST)

    Fixed. MLB 19:35, 2 March 2022 (EST)

    Juvenile chapbooks

    Just a reminder that after you add a juvenile chapbook, you need to go back and add the juvenile flag to the story as well :) A few of your additions in the last month or so showed up on the report for mismatches so... a gentle reminder :) Annie 18:07, 2 March 2022 (EST)

    Now I know. Thanks for the reminder. MLB 19:36, 2 March 2022 (EST)

    Dark Gondola; Beautiful cover is by Hector Garrido (, so I've added that in a pending edit. That art page says 1971, so if you could check yours and see if there's any code on the last page or something that includes a "71". --Username 20:56, 2 March 2022 (EST)

    Just got out of the hospital, so right now I can't get at it. See what I can do in the future. MLB 21:08, 2 March 2022 (EST)

    Cover Artist for Analog March/April 2022

    The actual artist behind the stock foto is an alias 'alteraposto', the actual artwortk can be found here: I haven't changed the publication. Cheers, John. JLochhas 13:42, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

    I have corrected the information, and I have added more information on the artwork's page. Thanks for the heads up. MLB 20:11, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

    The Shadow Before; I added price, $4.50, from copy. Your note said there was no price; is your copy price-clipped? --Username 11:46, 31 March 2022 (EDT)

    Yes. Ex-library edition, was probably a donation before it was culled and I got it. MLB 12:03, 31 March 2022 (EDT)

    Frontier Cthulhu; Did a few things for this using Archive copy, including correcting page count which was off by 20+ pages. --Username 13:16, 2 April 2022 (EDT)

    Okay, thanks. MLB 19:46, 2 April 2022 (EDT)

    The Shadow Before

    Would you mind double checking your copy of The Shadow Before? I'm holding a submission that would add the price based on a Internet Archive scan that has the price on the front dust jacket flap. However, the current pub note states "No price listed". The scan seems to match otherwise, but I would like to confirm whether it's a database error or there were two versions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

    He already answered when I wrote him earlier; see a few messages above. --Username 19:20, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
    That should have been stated in the moderator notes & the publication notes adjusted accordingly in your submission. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:25, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
    If he'd mentioned his copy was price-clipped when entering his edit nearly 10 years ago I wouldn't have had to ask him anything. I enter my edits and then ask PV questions if necessary because many of them have told me to just go ahead and make changes since they've made so many mistakes in their edits over the years that it's a waste of time for me to contact them every time unless there's a major change, and I think I've proven by now that when I make a change it's usually correct. In this case I only contacted him because I was curious why he didn't see a price, and now I know; also, I don't mind asking him a question now and then because unlike many other editors I've dealt with here, he isn't hostile and can usually answer people's questions politely. --Username 20:39, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

    Pulp Apocalypse; Should be Blade, right? Also probably missing a colon. --Username 22:52, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

    Analog Science Fiction and Fact, January-February 2022

    Mark, in your verified publication Analog Science Fiction and Fact, January-February 2022, two of three author names in this review were misspelled. 'Sarah Rafael Garcia' entered as ' Sara Rafael Garcia' and 'Alex Hernandez' as 'Alex Hernandex'. This caused the names to show up on the 'Authors That Exist Only Due to Reviews' error report. I have corrected the names since neither are recognized alternate names. If these are your typos, nothing more needs to be done. If the names are spelled incorrectly in the publication, you need to add a note. Here is the relevant help section. Thanks, John Scifibones 18:54, 8 April 2022 (EDT)

    Vick[iy] MacDonald Harris

    Hi, you'd added some contents to an anthology last month, in particular a story by "Vicki MacDonald Harris". There's also a Vicky MacDonald Harris, who has a story in (what I think is) a sequel to the aforementioned anthology.

    I looked at the Amazon UK previews for the ebook and tp of the former, and the references on the previews (copyright page and back cover of the tp; copyright & contents page of the ebook) all refer to "Vicky". Any idea if this is just a data entry typo, or whether we need to keep both author records and make one an alternate? (Based on Twitter account, the y spelling looks to be the correct spelling, FWIW.) Thanks ErsatzCulture 17:51, 9 April 2022 (EDT)

    Yeah, "Typo" is my middle name. I'm glad people like you are around to catch my bloopers. I have corrected the mistake, so now you may do what you wish with it. MLB 20:54, 9 April 2022 (EDT)
    Thanks. These weren't author(s), pubs or titles I was interested in, it was just something that caught my eye as a likely error whilst looking for a completely different "Macdonald" author, and as the edits were fairly recent, it seemed likely there'd be a better than usual chance of getting to the bottom of things :-) ErsatzCulture 15:29, 10 April 2022 (EDT)

    Starfish cover

    My copy of Starfish has a metallic silver background to the main title on cover page. I'm assuming the image on the record is blueish due to scan issues, rather than the actual color, but please confirm. --Glenn 23:46, 10 April 2022 (EDT)

    'Modified' series by Kat Stiles

    I did some surgery on the 'Modified' series by Kat Stiles. A few observations since you are a Self-Approver.

    • From the help section "A publication may be classified as an omnibus if it contains multiple works that have previously been published independently, and at least one of them is a NOVEL, ANTHOLOGY, COLLECTION, or NONFICTION." Since the only contents were the serial installments, it failed this test. ('Omnibuses without Contents Titles' is what alerted me to the problem)
    • Handling serials
    1. For title type SERIAL, do not use any fields other than title & author.
    2. The serial installments are linked via variant. Relevant help section. This series illustrates both possible scenarios, one title only published in serial form and one published in full as well as serialized. Any other information (series, series number, length, any relevant notes or links) belongs in the parent. Since the installment were published as (Chapbooks), it is necessary to keep the serial titles the same as the chapbook titles. Fortunately, there is enough disambiguation. They will show up on the 'Serials without Standard Parenthetical Disambiguators' report, but the ignore flag can be set.
    • When converting an omnibus, remove the content titles from the publications before changing the title type. (Got a yellow warning the first time and had to change back to omnibus)

    Let me know if you have any questions. John Scifibones 19:33, 24 April 2022 (EDT)

    No, no questions. If I made a mistake, and you fixed it, thanks. I like being kept on my toes. MLB 20:27, 24 April 2022 (EDT)

    Midnight Zoo Title; Note about "The Children's Hour" but story in contents was entered as "The Children's Horror". --Username 15:34, 5 May 2022 (EDT)

    30 Days of Night copy says October, not September. You didn't leave a note so does your PV copy say September or was it a mistake? --Username 11:14, 17 May 2022 (EDT)

    That I don't know, it was one of my first edits way back when I was a young man, and the book is in storage. I'm pretty sure I copied it verbatim from the copyright page, still, typos exist, if you wish to change it, go ahead, I'm not territorial, I make mistakes. Editors like you keep me honest. MLB 19:03, 17 May 2022 (EDT)

    Bones of the Past

    I would like to make the following changes to Bones of the Past before I PV it:

    1. Change the page count to [6]+ii+318+[9]
    2. Replace the existing notes with these:

    • "First Printing, March 1993"; no number line.
    • "Cover art by Larry Elmore" on the copyright page. Signature on the artwork.
    • The map on page [6] is uncredited and has no signature but is the same as the map credited to Ellen Kostyk in Fire in the Mist.
    • The map on page [319] is uncredited and has no signature.
    • LCCN from LoC catalog lookup.
    • The book starts with the "Prologue" on Roman numeral pages i and ii but then restarts the page numbering with Arabic numerals for the remainder of the book; the first page with a printed Arabic numeral is page 2.
    • Includes a 6-page extract from Born to Run by Mercedes Lackey & Larry Dixon titled "There Are Elves Out There".
    • The Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms on page 313 is subtitled "(Including Several Words Your Mother Won't Approve Of)".
    • C$5.99 in Canada.

    3. On page [6], add interiorart title "Bones of the Past (map)" by Ellen Kostyk
    4. On page 313, add essay title "Glossary of Odd or Foreign Terms (Bones of the Past)" by uncredited
    5. On page [319] add interiorart title "Bones of the Past (map [2])" by uncredited
    6. On page [321] add interiorart title "Tablet Found at Site of First-Folk Ruins" by uncredited
    7. On page [322] add shortfiction title "There Are Elves Out There" by Mercedes Lackey and Larry Dixon. Once that title is created, I'll add a note to it explaining that it is an excerpt from Born to Run.

    Would that be OK? Phil 11:37, 27 May 2022 (EDT)

    I have no problem with any of this, please go ahead. Good work. MLB 22:54, 27 May 2022 (EDT)

    Amazon Images; I added Open Library link to this book (it's on and replaced your unstable Amazon cover image (it's got that "P" in it) with the OL cover, but got rejected because I was told PV cover replacements have to be asked about first, even if they weren't uploaded from PV's copy but just taken from Amazon or some other ISFDB-usable site. Leaving aside the fact that it needed to be replaced because it's unstable, is it really necessary to waste your time asking about replacing those kinds of images in the future, or should I just replace them without asking you? --Username 22:14, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

    No reason to ask, just go right ahead. Stable images have gone unstable and then have disappeared before. Correcting and updating information is all part of the fun. MLB 22:24, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

    The Molemen Want Your Eyes

    Hi MLB

    Could I get you to check the title page of your verified The Molemen Want Your Eyes? I'm adding some external IDs to you publication, and they all have the title as "The Mole Men Want Your Eyes". That would include Reginald3 and Worldcat as well as Clute/Nicholls and Chalker/Owings. I also note that the story is listed in your pub as "Mole Man", which agrees with how FictionMags has the original magazine appearance and it would seem odd that the chapbook and the story have different titles. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:00, 1 June 2022 (EDT)

    Looks like a typo on my part. I'll correct it. For more information check out this review which has a copy of the title page MLB 22:46, 1 June 2022 (EDT)
    Done. MLB 22:51, 1 June 2022 (EDT)
    Thanks. Looking at the title page in that review, I can see how it could be read as one word. Looks good now. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:36, 2 June 2022 (EDT)

    Wil(l) McIntosh in Asimov's March-April 2022

    Hi, you have this pub verified; is Wil McIntosh a typo in the mag or a data entry error? The cover image has Will McIntosh, but I guess that would be over-ridden if the credit on the story itself has the mis-spelling? Thanks ErsatzCulture 12:13, 3 June 2022 (EDT)

    I'll check, but as long as he's been writing he's been known as Wil McIntosh. MLB 14:51, 3 June 2022 (EDT)
    Is it possible you're thinking of Wil McCarthy? This Asimov's story is the only showing in the bibliography for Wil McIntosh, whereas there are several dozen credits for Will McIntosh.
    On the plus-side, looking into this again, I notice we have an entry for William D. McIntosh with just a single story from 2007 in their bibliography, and given that matches the legal name for Wil McIntosh, it's something that needs author varianting for fixing the credit for that story, which I'll do once I've tried to find out which is the appropriate action. ErsatzCulture 17:00, 6 June 2022 (EDT)
    Well, I found that magazine, and I will change things, and yes, I conflated Will McIntosh and Wil Carthy. What a sap I was. I'll correct. MLB 18:51, 6 June 2022 (EDT)

    The Men & Women of Rivendale

    As per the link here, I have changed the title from Revendale. --swfritter 13:25, 11 July 2022 (EDT)

    Thing in the Swamp; Newly uploaded to, has a cover so I added OL ID link and cover artist (same as interior artist, on front flap so that's why you didn't know because of missing cover); I assume besides your PV copy missing the cover it matches in other details. --Username 20:48, 24 July 2022 (EDT)

    Mine is an ex-library edition, so thanks! MLB 21:10, 24 July 2022 (EDT)

    Yith Cycle; It'll probably be a while before it's approved, so let me know if you disagree with any of my fixes/changes. EDIT: While looking over my edit I noticed you misspelled "Lovecraftian" as "Lovecratian" in the book's title, the cover art, and the Regular Titles field, so I made another edit fixing those; I assume that was just a typo and your copy doesn't have the misspelled title. --Username 11:31, 31 July 2022 (EDT)

    Forbidden Beast; All other PB by the publisher cost just a few dollars; your PV of this book has the same price (and date) of the HC, which is probably not right. Do they need to be fixed? --Username 13:01, 6 August 2022 (EDT)

    Yeah, says right there on the cover image $3.50. Will change it. MLB 19:27, 6 August 2022 (EDT)
    OK. The date, page count and ISBN are still the same as the HC, though; I suppose the page count could be correct, but Starwanderer PB had 0-694 ISBN and the PB would likely have been published some time after the HC. --Username 20:14, 6 August 2022 (EDT)

    On Goodreads Id's

    Hi, I see you consider ASINs to be Goodreads Ids. They are not however. The Goodreads Id, like the Isfdb Id, can be found in the url of the publication. Goodreads has ISBNs and ASINs as external Ids, just like us. Digital Audible Records get Audible ASINs and are other editions than the Kindles and/or ebooks, that get the regular ASINs. BTW: ASIN=Amazon Standard Identification Number.--Dirk P Broer 07:22, 8 August 2022 (EDT)

    See Damned to Hell as an example. The correct goodreads id that I placed connects to Goodreads. The ASIN -that I corrected from your entry- connects to Amazon.--Dirk P Broer 07:29, 8 August 2022 (EDT)
    I got careless, thanks for keeping me on my toes, I'll remember to double check my data. MLB 17:35, 8 August 2022 (EDT)


    Please chime in here. Thanks John Scifibones 17:47, 8 August 2022 (EDT)

    Possible Database Typos

    Would you please check these possible database typos?

    Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:00, 9 August 2022 (EDT)

    I see that you've discovered some of my typos from when I was left unattended by my keepers. I'm on better meds now, will do my best to correct these mistakes that were done by my earlier shadow self. :) MLB 19:24, 9 August 2022 (EDT)

    Exciting Stories of Fantasy and the Future

    Hi Mark

    I'm going to add the price to your verified record for Exciting Stories of Fantasy and the Future which is listed in BLIC. I'll add the appropriate external IDs as well. Please let me know if you have any concerns about this. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:48, 10 August 2022 (EDT)

    No, no problem. I had forgotten that I even had this book. I can't even remember where I got it. MLB 21:44, 10 August 2022 (EDT)
    Of course, I still don't know who these people really are. Pseudonyms, maybe? MLB 22:04, 10 August 2022 (EDT)

    Cover art for Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2022

    Hi Mark I've identified the actual artist 'algolonline' at here and will be making the corresponding change. Please let me know if you have any concerns about it. Thanks, John. JLochhas 03:50, 14 August 2022 (EDT)

    And to add, Jurik Peter's artwork has been used for Asimov's Science Fiction, March-April 2022. JLochhas 04:02, 14 August 2022 (EDT)

    Cool. Go right ahead. MLB 04:23, 14 August 2022 (EDT)

    "Operation Time Search" ACE 63412

    Hi Mark. You verified The book entry in the database reads "Date: 1977-03-00" I own the publication (baught it from a collector, who marked all books with the date he baught them. This one: 23.06.1977/2.2.1977) On the spine, there is the numer "441 63412 150" which can be interpreted as ISBN 9780441634125. The ACE number is "ACE /63412|$1.50". If I search the book in another DB, the printing date seem 1975, which seems more reasonable for the third printing, than 1977 in the DB. elsbernd 12:56, 14 August 2022 (EDT)

    If you feel like changing some of the information, please feel free. MLB 20:51, 14 August 2022 (EDT)

    The New Frontier

    I'm holding an edit that would change your verified The New Frontier to be non-genre. Based on the Amazon description, that would seem correct, but wanted to let you weigh in since you verified. Also, if it is non-genre, then it would seem like the contents would need a trim as there are a number that are not above the threshold. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:19, 21 August 2022 (EDT)

    In a related topic, I recently added Gerald Kersh collection Terribly Wild Flowers, in which only the title story, from F&SF, is on ISFDB, so I marked it non-genre, but it's the only collection of his so marked here. Most of the early ones contain only a few genre stories and so should probably be non-genre, too. --Username 10:27, 21 August 2022 (EDT)
    **Sigh** One of my early edited. Ten years ago. I don't know where this anthology is right now. It is probably in storage where I can't readily get at it. Please allow all edits to go through. I'll change my status to that of transient. MLB 19:58, 21 August 2022 (EDT)

    The Shadow Omnibus

    Hi Mark

    While adding the Reginald number to your verified The Shadow: The Mask of Mephisto & Murder by Magic, I noticed that we are including the series name in the title. Our policy is to omit the series name when entering publications. Do you have any objection if I change the title to simply "The Mask of Mephisto & Murder by Magic". Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:29, 21 August 2022 (EDT)

    Nope. Feel free. MLB 19:42, 21 August 2022 (EDT)

    Baumgart; The 1983 Amazing letter is in your ISFDB record but the other 2 aren't, in case you want to flesh out your CV. Also,, which are all here except Psychotronic, which isn't ISFDB material, is it? --Username 20:52, 21 August 2022 (EDT)

    Psychotronic is actually Psychotronic Video, and no, it isn't ISFDB material, it was a magazine dedicated to low-budget, exploitation movies. (Don't judge me). You have sharp eyes, congrats. MLB 21:59, 21 August 2022 (EDT)

    Asimov's Oct 2022 title update

    Hi, could you check title of one of the stories in Asimov's, Island Theory, and comment over at Lasm's talk page whether the update to Island History should be approved? Thanks! MagicUnk 07:52, 31 August 2022 (EDT)

    Jaime Castle / Steve Beaulieu


    Is there a reason why you did not pseudonym these two records (Steve Beaulieu and Jaime Castle) and instead wrote a note that they are the same person? If there is a reason not to follow the practices of the site, that reason needs to be documented in the Notes of the records (and there should be a really good reason for it). Thanks! Annie (talk) 17:30, 21 September 2022 (EDT)

    (Ꙩ.Ꙩ)! Nothing escapes you does it? **Sigh** There are several reasons, none of them good, I guess. How did you know I was the lazy one? I guess now I got to go back and fix this. **Grump-Grump-Grump**! MLB (talk) 20:59, 21 September 2022 (EDT)
    As with most things, it was by chance: I just added a book where one of the two versions was a co-author and while doing my regular sweep for anything else that needs fixing on the author page, it did look weird and there was only one person who had edited the Author notes (moderators have the same "Edit History" on authors as on pubs/titles - so not even magic I am afraid). So I came knocking. Thanks for taking care of it in the next days :) Annie (talk) 21:06, 21 September 2022 (EDT)

    Joe B.; Should be Bonadonna, like all his other works. --Username (talk) 19:33, 6 October 2022 (EDT)

    Bone Music (Longmeadow); You PV in 2013, copy uploaded in 2018 which I added a link to today, I adjusted pages from 303 to 302 and noted there's no copyright page. Do those 2 things agree with your copy? Also, I added the month to Canty's cover art. --Username (talk) 15:51, 12 October 2022 (EDT)

    It's all cool. But if this info is from your personal, or borrowed copy, you should add your own verification to mine. MLB (talk) 21:49, 12 October 2022 (EDT)
    Today I was doing some edits for Longmeadow Press books and came across this again; I added LCCN from the Library of Congress website. Is it 95-15526 on your copyright page since, as I said above, the copy is missing that page? Or did it just not have a copyright page at all? --Username (talk) 21:12, 6 April 2023 (EDT)

    Misspelled -- number line

    My copy of Misspelled has number line 1—9, not 9—1. Yours? --Glenn (talk) 16:09, 6 November 2022 (EST)

    Your guess is as good as mine, as I don't remember this book at all, but I must have done it. If you wish to change it, please do. I'll look for that book though. MLB (talk)`

    Clan of the Claw

    My copy of Clan of the Claw printing statement indicates July, not June. Yours? --Glenn (talk) 17:00, 11 November 2022 (EST)

    Must have been a typo. Ah, one of my earliest listing. MLB (talk) 04:03, 13 November 2022 (EST)

    Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, September/October 2022


    Reviews of genre works are non-fiction titles about speculative fiction so they are eligible for the DB. So I added the review here and cleaned up the note in the title itself (plus added another note after I read the book - the thing is really left ambiguous which makes it ours IMO). Thanks for adding the magazine!

    PS: Technically the stock cover won't be eligible (as coverart or as URL) as EQMM is non-genre magazine but let's leave it there for a bit - that may be changing (see the discussion and feel free to chime in. If it does not end up with changing the rules, I will be back to clear that cover though. Annie (talk) 16:27, 19 November 2022 (EST)

    I tried to add reviews some years ago, but I was slapped down, and told this was a no-no, so I never have. I didn't know things have changed. MLB (talk) 22:08, 20 November 2022 (EST)
    I am not sure who said no but reviews of genre works had always been eligible under the ROA (or at least for as long as I had been here). Annie (talk) 22:30, 20 November 2022 (EST)

    Magic Time; Copy on,, says cover artist is Wilenski, not Wilensky, and I think the month in the book supersedes what Locus says, unless a photo of a publisher's slip could be found. Artist name change is more important, though; there are tons of dates here that are off by a month. --Username (talk) 21:48, 20 November 2022 (EST)

    Hmmmm. I'm willin' to bet that Wilensky was a typo that I didn't catch. On the other hand, the numbers in the corner of the hardcover (8002) are most likely the printing date (1980-02-00), but don't quote me on that. MLB (talk) 22:02, 20 November 2022 (EST)
    Alexander Wilenski only shows up in a search of for this book, but Alexander Wilensky gets 4 hits, including the jacket photo for a D. G. Compton book, Ascendancies, so I added his name to that (month in that book was also off by a month re: what's on the flap vs. what was entered here). I suspect the Y name is real and the I is a misprint, so when Ascendancies edit is approved and 2 PV of Magic Time verify it's spelled with an I then that name should be made a variant of Wilensky; (he's also on Instagram). --Username (talk) 07:45, 21 November 2022 (EST)

    Unit Omega; copy uploaded recently so I added a link in an edit, but you forgot to add the month (December) to title under both names (Grand, Rovin) and cover art. --Username (talk) 17:50, 28 November 2022 (EST)

    McKenzie/Mekenzie; I changed McKenzie to Mekenzie based on a copy on; it's Mekenzie in your PV of Shock Totem #3 too, right? --Username (talk) 12:45, 10 December 2022 (EST)

    Dark Terrors 4; I've been doing edits for the Dark Terrors series and this one has Canadian price in pounds, not dollars, on back cover of copy on Is it the same on your copy? --Username (talk) 16:09, 13 December 2022 (EST)

    That's a book that's been packed away into storage where I can't get at it. If you have a copy at hand, then I'll take your word for it, and go ahead and change it. Typos happen. MLB (talk) 20:07, 13 December 2022 (EST)

    The Silent Warrior

    Cover art for this is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See here --Mavmaramis (talk) 06:19, 17 December 2022 (EST)

    ● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. MLB (talk) 15:23, 17 December 2022 (EST)

    S.S. Drate; Your 1990 PV has the Drate cover credit that is really from the 1983 book. If your copy doesn't mention Drate I think the cover credit should be removed; Paperbacks From Hell mentions Drate did the 1983 book cover, and it's totally different art than the 1990 book, so it's not like they reused the cover or anything. --Username (talk) 11:35, 30 December 2022 (EST)

    Short Circuits; There's a Delacorte edition on which says "You", not "Yor", which makes sense, so if your PV PB does, too, then you can fix the title of this story. All other titles seem OK. --Username (talk) 00:12, 31 December 2022 (EST)

    Mystery in Mind; I added a link to this weird book and fixed a story title; I assume your copy has the comma in the title, too, right? --Username (talk) 11:07, 31 December 2022 (EST)

    Shock Totem, Vol. 3

    Can you have a look at this edit and check your copy on how the author's name is written; Mekenzie? McKenzie? When it is as it appears in the publication, we'll need to add alternate author... Thanks! MagicUnk (talk) 09:53, 6 January 2023 (EST)

    TYPO!!! Yeah, I blame it on the youthful exuberance of being a fresh-faced lad of fifty-four whose excitement at being an editor at ISFDB to cause me to make too many typos. I'll correct. MLB (talk) 21:57, 6 January 2023 (EST)
    Thanks! MagicUnk (talk) 06:03, 8 January 2023 (EST)

    Journey's End / Super Science Stories, August 1951

    I have just checked this artwork and it actually does show the artist's signature 'Callé' in the lower right corner - and I am planning to make the corresponding change. Please let me know if you disagree. Best, John JLochhas (talk) 02:15, 16 January 2023 (EST)

    Gosh, it's been a long time since I read that issue. I remember liking most of the stories in it, so yeah, if you saw what nobody else did, go right ahead. MLB (talk) 04:17, 16 January 2023 (EST)

    UK price for Catacomb

    Hi Mark -

    I was adding some external IDs to your verified publication Catacomb. I noticed the price in England which seems wrong to me. Perhaps it's meant to read "£4.95". Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:23, 23 January 2023 (EST)

    Okay, thanks. MLB (talk) 21:13, 23 January 2023 (EST)

    Pandora's Closet -- number line

    My copy of Pandora's Closet has a number line that runs 1—9, not 9—1. Yours? --Glenn (talk) 16:40, 5 February 2023 (EST)

    Ping (in case you missed this). --Glenn (talk) 22:29, 7 February 2023 (EST)
    Actually, I'm looking for it, but I suspect that it is in storage where I can't get right at it. As the second verifier, I spot checked the facts listed, and okayed them. If I was wrong, please feel free to change anything. MLB (talk) 22:40, 7 February 2023 (EST)

    Author's Notes

    Hi, Mark! Usually these types of titles deal with the circumstances of how a text came to life, and are not part of any universe. Is this any way differnet with Zoe Cannon? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 04:23, 7 February 2023 (EST)

    Dunno. Every book in this series has one. Been adding them into various series's for years, and nobody has ever said no. If you say no, then it's no, and I can remove them. I just thought series non-fiction should go with the series. MLB (talk) 04:32, 7 February 2023 (EST)
    Typically they refer to the real world, for example how the idea came about, who helped in getting it into shape and into print, so they are not part of a universe, just like this book on Middle-Eart has no part in the universe it is about. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 04:44, 7 February 2023 (EST)
    Removed them from being in a series, and put them in the non-fiction. MLB (talk) 21:41, 7 February 2023 (EST)

    Created By Matheson PB; I made an edit,, which is a stable Amazon image, shows the artwork more clearly, and shows the spine with its own artwork. However, the LCCN is really for the Bantam HC and should probably be moved to that record; also, there's an ARC of the HC on and the page count is much higher than what's on ISFDB and there are Roman numerals. I assume your PV PB copy's page count is correct but are there any Roman numerals that need adding? --Username (talk) 08:41, 21 February 2023 (EST)

    Never a fan of those type of images, can't see where it's better, but if you must. . . As far as the Roman numerals go, I don't know. After multiple hospitalizations and a death, much of what I had went into storage. I'll look around, but if I can't find it, there it is. MLB (talk) 10:36, 21 February 2023 (EST)
    OK, I'll just cancel it, then, since you don't like it. Unstable image still should be replaced, though, perhaps by an uploaded scan of your cover if you ever find it. --Username (talk) 10:55, 21 February 2023 (EST)

    Zombies: Shambling Through the Ages; copy uploaded recently so I added a link in a (pending) edit; also made 4 fixes: Nathan Southard to Nate, Paul Berger to Paul M. (false variant was created there), "Theater is Dead" to "Theatre", and "The End of the Caroll A. Deering" to "Carroll". --Username (talk) 13:21, 21 February 2023 (EST)

    Thanks for the corrections. I hate my typos. MLB (talk) 03:44, 22 February 2023 (EST)

    Author of The Prodigy

    Hi Mark

    I see you have a transient verification for The Prodigy. We have the author's name as "M. Jay Livingstone". All of the Library of Congress, Worldcat and the cover have the author as "M. Jay Livingston". It appears that the UK edition has Livingstone. Do you have any objections if I change the author of your verified edition? Of course, I'll also make the appropriate variant for the alternate name. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:39, 23 February 2023 (EST)

    No, no objections, go right ahead. MLB (talk) 21:56, 23 February 2023 (EST)

    Image License Tags

    Just a reminder, this image needs a license tag. John Scifibones 18:54, 24 February 2023 (EST)

    This is what I tried, and it wasn't accepted. What was I doing wrong? MLB (talk) 00:25, 25 February 2023 (EST)
    Author Image Data
    |Name=<Rick Rubin>
    |Publication=<Goodreads (2023)>
    |Portion=<Cropped to remove unneeded background>
    |Replaceable=<Yes, by a better image>

    The angle brackets are the main problem, simply remove them.
    • Since there is a default value for most fields, you may omit them if unknown or unneeded. Notice how I don't have a photographer or publication field.
    • Source - You would be the source if you scanned the image. When you refer to yourself use User:MLB. The file history section shows that you uploaded the image.
    Try adding the tag using my suggestions.
    • |Name=Rick Rubin
    • |Source=Goodreads (2023)
    • |Portion=Cropped to remove unneeded background
    • |Replaceable=Yes
    • |LowRes=Yes
  • Fine tune as you see fit. John Scifibones 08:56, 25 February 2023 (EST)
    Think I got it right this time. How does it look? MLB (talk) 21:40, 25 February 2023 (EST)
    There was no need to upload the image again and create a duplicate file. Simply edit the original page and add the tag. I moved your tag data to the original page and deleted the duplicate. When you refer to yourself, it's [[User:MLB]] not User:MLB, sory I wasn't clear before (I fixed it in your tag). Link the image to the author page and you're good. John Scifibones 08:10, 26 February 2023 (EST)
    P.S. I removed the braces from the tag above so it will no longer function as a template. It was causing your talk page to link to a couple pages; for example Category:Author images. John Scifibones 10:18, 26 February 2023 (EST)
    Let's hope things go smoother next time. Still so much to learn. MLB (talk) 21:37, 26 February 2023 (EST)


    I rejected this submission. 'Report on Probability A (Complete Novel)' is the correct title. From the help for serials - "For novel length works (40,000+ words) printed as a single installment in a magazine or fanzine, append a space and "(Complete Novel)" to the title." John Scifibones 16:28, 1 March 2023 (EST)

    Chariot; LCCN is for the HC, not the PB. --Username (talk) 22:25, 8 March 2023 (EST)

    Changed it. MLB (talk) 22:51, 8 March 2023 (EST)

    Symphony; I just added an link to the HC and there's no excerpt; I think excerpt should be the same date as the PB. PB usually have excerpts of upcoming PB. --Username (talk) 23:46, 8 March 2023 (EST)

    In the Mood; LCCN is HC, not PB. EDIT: Same for PB's of Symphony and Riders in the Sky by the same author. --Username (talk) 23:53, 8 March 2023 (EST)

    Series names and capitalization

    Hello MLB,

    I had to rename all parts of Price Manor: The House that Burns to "The House That Burns" and then had to do the same to all the other books in the series . So just a gentle reminder:

    • We don't include the series names in the titles of books and cover titles, story titles and so on.
    • We standardize capitalization -- this "that" should have been "That" (you got that correctly in 2 of the 3 books in the series)

    Thanks! :) Annie (talk) 15:44, 10 March 2023 (EST)

    And yet, when I started, if the series name was part of the title, then you used it. Now I know. MLB (talk) 20:15, 10 March 2023 (EST)
    There was also a time when the DB's languages not using the Latin alphabet were written using it anyway ;) The risk in sticking around for a long time - things change ;) Annie (talk) 20:46, 10 March 2023 (EST)

    Bull's-Eye Detective, Fall 1938 cover artist

    Mark, I found the cover art of Bull's-Eye Detective, Fall 1938 credited to Arnold Drake, the writer, and corrected it to A. Drake, the canonical name of artist Albert Drake, on the cover art's title page. But--is it the Adventure House reprint that credits it to Arnold or is it you? I see you citing the name Arnold on your Amazon review. Does Adventure House in fact credit him as Albert Drake, as you have it on their Planet Stories reprints? I'll correct the title page if so. Martin--MOHearn (talk) 09:18, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

    Well, I'll take your word for it, as my pulp reprints had to go into storage some years ago. MLB (talk) 14:05, 12 March 2023 (EDT)
    I'll edit it into Albert Drake on the Adventure House edition and make it a variant of A. Drake, then. MOHearn (talk) 15:41, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

    The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy

    Hi. You verified our record of this anthology in its 2003 fourth printing P398104. User:Dave888 is a verifier of both the 2000 first and 2003 fourth, and has reported at User talk:Dave888#The Clock That Went Backward that its Edgar Page Mitchell story title is the 1881 original, "The Clock That Went Backward" (no 's'). Also, the front cover image that Amazon now provides matches the cover of the book. We now link a visually identical image that Amazon provides based on ISBN (ie, at ""), which should be replaced.

    If you concur with Dave888, I'll fix the story title as "Backwards" and also update the image URL (to "/images/I/51MMCZMT30L.jpg"). --Pwendt|talk 17:04, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

    Yes, go ahead. MLB (talk) 23:34, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

    Planet Stories, Winter 1939


    Just heads up that I changed the type here from magazine to anthology as per the rules for adding magazine reprints. It is a very old record and may pre-date the current rules (or someone forgot them) and I know you know how to add these reprints these days so just heads up.

    Hope you are doing well! :) Annie (talk) 17:30, 22 March 2023 (EDT)

    Thanks. MLB (talk) 23:21, 22 March 2023 (EDT)

    CD #78; 1 of the stories is "Wet Paint" but the art is titled "White Paint". 1 of those titles is wrong, right? --Username (talk) 08:21, 29 March 2023 (EDT)

    Right! Thanks for catching that. Fixed. MLB (talk) 19:56, 29 March 2023 (EDT)

    Out of this World Adventures & Ka-Zar reprints

    I found a few more older records for magazine reprints (here, here, and here) which I converted to anthologies to match current standards. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:59, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

    Alright. MLB (talk) 16:08, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

    Eyes of Prey; The afterword is in your copy too, yes? --Username (talk) 20:36, 11 April 2023 (EDT)

    That book is in storage, but I suspect not. Leisure Books was a shady company. Reprinting books without giving royalties, editing novels for content, printing books as instant remainders without permission, etc. There was a lot written about them before they went under. So, I believe that if the afterword was there, I would have listed it. MLB (talk) 23:43, 11 April 2023 (EDT)
    This will have to wait, then, because the copy has it and so I suspect yours does, too. Mod won't accept my edit without your agreement so whenever you can see your copy again let us know. --Username (talk) 00:24, 12 April 2023 (EDT)

    Canon... Art; Shouldn't the 2 Canon art credits says Alberic's, not Albrec's? --Username (talk) 20:30, 13 April 2023 (EDT)

    Taken care of and fixed. MLB (talk) 22:39, 13 April 2023 (EDT)


    I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan in this pub that you verified. ../Doug H (talk) 16:23, 27 April 2023 (EDT)

    Okay. Cool. MLB (talk) 22:35, 27 April 2023 (EDT)

    Analog Sep/Oct 2022 - Hannah Young/Yang

    Hi, you're one of 2 PVs of this issue. That has a story credited to "Hannah Young", but per Locus Award announcement, the author is "Hannah Yang". Analog's site appears to confirm "Yang", but that might be a copypaste from the Locus site. Can you check your copy please? Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 14:53, 30 April 2023 (EDT)

    Other PVer has confirmed "Yang", so I've made the change. ErsatzCulture (talk) 18:53, 30 April 2023 (EDT)

    Binary; I know it's transient but just letting you know I added a link and fixed the page count. Some of the notes (by you?) don't really make sense. EDIT: I also noticed something in this book and many others on ISFDB by the author; shouldn't it be by John Lange since that's the name it was published under? Later editions were published as by Crichton. --Username (talk) 10:37, 1 May 2023 (EDT)

    I don't think I initially entered this entry, but refined it from a borrowed library book, and you're right, it should have been entered as John Lange. Do you want to change it, or do you want me to? MLB (talk) 15:06, 1 May 2023 (EDT)
    You're a mod, right? So go ahead and change it, it'll be approved right away, unlike if I do it and it sits there for weeks until it gets approved after the 1,000 other edits I have pending. Crichton's works on ISFDB are very incomplete and many were entered with the wrong name, so this requires major changes that someone may want to do if they're interested. --Username (talk) 17:12, 1 May 2023 (EDT)
    First of all, I'm not a mod, haven't earned that yet. I'm just a lowly editor such as yourself, although I have self-editing privileges. Although I'm grateful for your corrections. I fixed several of the Binary books, but I would suggest getting a hold of SF Juggler for his primary verification as they is still active on this site to change theirs. MLB (talk) 18:53, 1 May 2023 (EDT)
    You're not a mod? Huh. I assumed since you've been here since, what, 2012 that you must be a mod, especially since you're certainly more pleasant to deal with than many others here and so I figured it was due to you employing some HR smoothness when interacting with people who "work" here; I guess you're just more pleasant in real life. I find it hard to believe it's because you haven't earned it considering the countless mods I've dealt with who are terrible at moderating; I've fixed literally thousands of errors that were approved by mods, many of them being here since the early days of this site going public. Anyway, if this were a couple of years ago when I first started here I'd be eager to fix as much of Crichton's works as possible but that energy drained long ago; I was being literal when I said I have a THOUSAND other pending edits. I made a few Binary edits (it was just a few hours ago and I've already forgotten what exactly I did) and also did something with an edition of his 1966 book (as by John Lange) Odds On, but just a cursory glance will show that there's so much missing/wrong here in his CV. I'd say it's ridiculous that such a major author has such a shoddy half-baked record here but most of the editors these days have abandoned "outdated" print books for e-books, which is a terrible decision in my opinion since those are ephemeral at best, but then obviously no one here cares what I think; I believe this site is compensated financially in some way for clicks on Amazon links so that may also have something to do with it. Anyway, I get the impression that you're not nearly as active as you used to be, but any little improvement you or I make can only help things. Thanks. --Username (talk) 19:38, 1 May 2023 (EDT)
    I agree, ebooks are ephemeral. I've listed books, and a month or two later that publishing company has gone belly-up and the only records of that book, and its contents, even existing are on this site. Sad. You can take your average book and put it through some extreme abuse and still read it. Try that with your tablet. Still, with the slow death of the mass market paperback, and the high prices of trade paperbacks, there's not much the average reader can do. MLB (talk) 00:40, 2 May 2023 (EDT)

    Titan Find; Your PV has an obviously wrong page count; also, it seems odd there are 2 TP on ISFDB. Any idea why? Also, the e-book isn't really a variant; title may say "The" on the cover but there's no "The" on title page as seen on Amazon. --Username (talk) 17:15, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

    Yeah, you're right. I don't know where that page count came from. Fixed. The rest I will have to fix later today. MLB (talk) 17:35, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
    • page count fixed.
    • There are two trade paperbacks because there are two different covers, and two different ISBNs.
    • Your attention to this caused me to find a hardcover that I somehow missed the first time around.

    Audiobook publication record data

    I've been doing a lot of audiobook and CDs publication adds and wanted to pass this on: When you create a pub record for an audiobook listed on, you need to include both the ASIN and the Audible-ASIN external IDs. If you haven't needed to find the Audible_ASIN before, you can see the instructions on how to locate it here. I happened to notice they were missing from the record for A Princess of Passyunk and have just submitted an update to add those values. :) Phil (talk) 08:18, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

    Oh for the love of Hugo Gernsback how did I miss that? Thanks for catching that. MLB (talk) 21:50, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

    External Id's

    Mark, everyone should test any external links whenever submitting an edit. It is doubly important for Self-Approvers and Moderators as there is no longer a second set of eyes to catch mistakes. I just cleared some of yours off one of the exception reports. P,S. I don't always catch mine either. John Scifibones 10:50, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

    I'll try to do better. Thanks for the heads up. MLB (talk) 21:51, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

    Waking Nightmares; I changed Lace to Lake in publisher and note. --Username (talk) 09:51, 14 May 2023 (EDT)

    Now you know my secret power. In my spare time I'm known as Typo Man. Honestly, I've forgotten that I even had this book. Thanks for catching my mistake. MLB (talk) 21:03, 14 May 2023 (EDT)

    Questionable author names

    Hello, Mark Louis!

    With you not being around since a few days I changed 'Raymond Eich' to 'Raymund Eich' for the story on p. 145 of this issue of Analog: it is the canonical name and the author is credited the latter way in other issues of Analog (but please take a look upon your return).

    Also, there are two versions of a certain author (here), where I tend to think it is likely only one of them. Can you also take a closer look at the respective Analog issues, please? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 06:43, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

    and ... here is another one: I suspect the credit is for Lynne Sargent on p. 42. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 10:32, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

    Fraternizing with Monsters


    When changing a novel to a novella, you cannot just change the title and leave it like that. You also need to convert all the publications to chapbooks (or collections/anthologies if they are now omnibuses of only stories for collected works). I finished the work here. If you do not know how to do something (or don't remember), please ask. If you just got pulled away and forgot to complete this edit, that's fine but please keep in mind that when you self-moderate, you do not have someone to remind you of the next steps or do them for you :) Thanks! Annie (talk) 14:32, 25 May 2023 (EDT)

    And the same thing happened here. Annie (talk) 14:34, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
    Just got back from a four week "vacation" at a hospital and rehab facility for an infection. So, thank you, but, there is no excuse for my sloppiness. MLB (talk) 18:29, 14 June 2023 (EDT)

    Bullbeggar Walk; This story was recently reprinted in an anthology but the names are different; does the author appear with his middle initial on story's title page in the issue of Inhuman you PV? EDIT: Also, should these,, be by Svehla, not Svelha? --Username (talk) 20:19, 28 May 2023 (EDT)

    I don't know, it's gone walkabout and is presently unavailable. MLB (talk) 19:13, 14 June 2023 (EDT)

    Carroll & Graf's Spider Reprints

    Hi Mark -

    I'm doing some cleanup on The Spider series and I see that we have a subseries for the Baen omnibus editions, The Spider (Carroll & Graf). Looking at this, I'm thinking that the subseries should more properly be a publication series and that these titles should reside in the parent series. My reasons for this is that the subseries and its numbering only apply to one publisher. Also, if these titles were in the main series, we could populate the content field in each title record to show which novels are contained. You've verified the first three volumes in the subseries. Would you have any objections if I made these changes? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:08, 29 May 2023 (EDT)

    No, go right ahead. MLB (talk) 18:11, 14 June 2023 (EDT)

    Asimov's May-June 2023 review - Some Distant/Desperate Glory

    Hi, you added this mag and its contents; I assume this review is for Some Desperate Glory, but I dunno if the title mismatch is in the mag or in the submission here?

    As it looks like you might be away at the moment, I'll post a similar note on the other PV's page, in case they can check this sooner. Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 17:00, 29 May 2023 (EDT)

    Never mind, I've just noticed this is referenced in the pub note. I'll tweak that note to link to the title in question, which will hopefully make it a bit more visible. ErsatzCulture (talk) 17:08, 29 May 2023 (EDT)

    Little Wax Doll; I assume your copy ends on 309, not 308, since there's a note about a code on 309. --Username (talk) 21:21, 30 May 2023 (EDT)

    I don't know where my copy is right now, but page 309 could be a blank page. I just don't know. MLB (talk) 19:19, 14 June 2023 (EDT)

    Asylum; There's 1 copy each on of the 6 volumes in this series and I've added edits with links to each one but this last one has a couple of points. Shouldn't the chronology be an essay and shouldn't the excerpt in page count be in brackets since it's not paginated? --Username (talk) 20:11, 14 June 2023 (EDT)

    Well, the page count was approved by the mod at the time, but I'll change it. If I remember correctly, the chronology was a flow chart, but that book is in storage where I can't get at it. MLB (talk) 03:59, 15 June 2023 (EDT)
    It's likely that many years ago when it was approved entering brackets around unnumbered pages wasn't the standard yet. Also, if it's a flowchart then the other one should be art, too, not an essay. I just checked archived copies, mentioned above, and yes, both have a flowchart that says "The Connally Family" on top, so the one that says essay here should be changed to artwork. I was going to say they all probably have the same thing but looking at another volume, Stereoscope, I don't see it, so when you look at your copies you may want to double-check and see if any of the others have the flowchart somewhere in them. Maybe it is just those two, which is odd; why would they include it in #4 and #6 but not #5? --Username (talk) 07:53, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

    Mcnaughton and Lore; I added a note to McNaughton's story about it being set in the world of his collection The Throne of Bones and noticed you wrote a note about it in the magazine's record; the O'Leary essay about it, titled "A Note of...", seems wrong. Is it really that or should it be "A Note on..."? --Username (talk) 15:44, 27 June 2023 (EDT)

    Good to see another McNaughton fan out there, I've been reading him since his "Satan" books. Yeah, it's "A Note On...". I'll fix it. MLB (talk) 17:24, 27 June 2023 (EDT)

    Sturgeon's West; I just added an link (uploaded about a month ago) in a PENDING edit to this book and I think one of the 2 active PV of the non-book club edition should probably add the month, 02, where appropriate (title record, cover art, essay, original stories) since that edition came first, right? --Username (talk) 09:54, 1 July 2023 (EDT)

    Future We Wish We Had; Title ends with War, not Wars. --Username (talk) 13:26, 14 July 2023 (EDT)

    If you don't hear from me in a couple of weeks, it's because of my bad health. Anyway, thanks for the notice, mistake corrected. MLB (talk) 15:03, 29 July 2023 (EDT)
    I see on your board that you've mentioned your bad health several times since at least 2019. Is this related to old issues or something new? Something that might cause you not to reply here anymore? In any case, I'm just about done here because everything's been getting worse and worse, my edit backlogs sometimes numbering over a thousand edits, most of my questions/comments on Community Portal not being answered by anyone, a shift in focus by many other editors towards e-books which I have little interest in, etc. It just seems like I'm wasting my time. If I don't speak to you again, I appreciate that you were one of the more cordial people to me on this site, so thanks. --Username (talk) 15:23, 29 July 2023 (EDT)
    My health come and goes, but it's been especially bad this year. I always try to reply to any questions asked. If you have any problems with my verifications just ask. I'll try to answer. You've been valuable in making me correct some things. The trouble is, too few moderators, and too many editors. I'm just not good enough at computoreze (is that a word?) to be a mod. I hope you stick with this site, catching my mistakes is important. MLB (talk) 22:08, 29 July 2023 (EDT)
    I've always found Username to be helpful. I hope this individual stays with us. Mike (talk) 08:30, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

    American Eden; I've been doing a lot of edits for this series today and while adding 2 links to this book I noticed it had the month a bit off so I fixed it to June. --Username (talk) 23:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)

    Okay, thanks. MLB (talk) 15:04, 29 July 2023 (EDT)

    The End of the World: Classic Tales of Apocalyptic Science Fiction

    You are a PV of this title: I just submitted an OCLC number for external ID & noted its ebook edition in pub note. Cheers. Mike (talk) 08:34, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

    Between Planets

    You are sole PV of the first edition: I just submitted an edit of the page as follows: Submitting date (from Kirkus Reviews, linked as web page 4), four web page reviews, & three external IDs (WorldCat, LCCN, & Goodreads, which has 274 reader comments). Cheers. Mike (talk) 00:54, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

    Okay, thanks for the info. MLB (talk) 16:57, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

    Nicoji; It's Don Clavette on copyright page. --Username (talk) 12:06, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

    Okay, thanks for the info. MLB (talk) 16:57, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

    Cryptid series

    Hello MLB,

    Just a gentle reminder that when a series installment has its own title, we do not use the series title and number as part of the title of the publication or title record - so "The Ouroboros Factor" and not "Cryptid 4: The Ouroboros Factor" for the 4th book here for example. Thanks! Hope you are doing well :) Annie (talk) 13:51, 18 August 2023 (EDT)

    When I first started editing there was some discussion about this. Some mods insisted that if the name of the series was part of the title, then it had to be listed, others insisted that the name of the series shouldn't be listed. I still see it going both ways in journals and essay's endnotes. But, all things equal, I'll abide by what you say. MLB (talk) 14:31, 18 August 2023 (EDT)
    The current governing rule is here: Note that the title page may show the series name, and sometimes the publication's position in the series. The present (2018) usage is to enter only the "simplified" title, for example, you could enter the title for a publication as "Song of the Dragon" and the note would have "The title page states 'Song of the' over 'Dragon' over 'The annals of Drakis: Book One'."
    Other sites and publications have their own rules and often include the series as part of the name (including Amazon if that's how whoever provided the text used it). Ours is to use the simplified form where the title exists on its own. That had not always been the case - which is why we added the sentence to the help page 5 years ago. :) Annie (talk) 14:36, 18 August 2023 (EDT)


    Mark, I'm holding a submission which affects your verified publication. The edit changes the month to November as shown on the title verso. Do you concur? Thanks, John Scifibones 15:48, 23 August 2023 (EDT)

    Things have been put in storage over the last couple of years. I'll take their word for it as I don't know where that book is. MLB (talk) 19:46, 23 August 2023 (EDT)

    Tale of the Comet; I added link and replaced "P" .gif Amazon cover with OL .jpg cover (it looks exactly the same) but LCCN is not on their site, in case you want to remove ID and add it to notes instead. --Username (talk) 10:59, 24 August 2023 (EDT)

    I couldn't find Tale of the Comet on the LCCN site, so I put it in the notes as you suggested, and I have added the Goodreads link in its place. I've had a number of LCCNs not work out, so I rarely list them anymore. Thanks for catching this. MLB (talk) 18:38, 24 August 2023 (EDT)

    Boddekker's Demons; I added link in a PENDING edit and page count should really be 293 or 293+[1] depending on whether you consider an unnumbered page with nothing but a quotation to count; last page is also unnumbered and is just acknowledgments. --Username (talk) 21:00, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

    Colored Lens; Spring issue has at least 2 names entered here which differ from contents page on Amazon, Erwin L. Swann instead of Erin and David Witmarsh instead of Whitmarsh; both of the correct names have other stories on ISFDB. --Username (talk) 10:38, 1 September 2023 (EDT)

    You're starting to bug me kid :). Anyway, thanks for bringing this to my attention, I checked, and then I fixed. Good work. MLB (talk) 20:20, 1 September 2023 (EDT)


    I got this rejection, 1998 date is wrong in any case, I think he's suggesting it should be changed to the date of the first print book, so can you do that? --Username (talk) 10:17, 8 September 2023 (EDT)

    No. Copyright page on Amazon's Look Inside clearly states that the book was copywritten in 1999. So, I changed 1998 to 1999. This could easily have been a paperback reprint of a small-press book, as was common with Leisure Books. A company with an extremely dodgy history. MLB (talk) 23:20, 8 September 2023 (EDT)
    The note being added in Username's edit, references this statement from Wikipedia: "In March 1999, Clegg announced that he would be distributing his new ghost novel Naomi in serial installments via email. Naomi debuted in May 1999 and became the Internet's first publisher-sponsored e-serial." Wikipedia goes on to suggest that the serialization contributed to the success of the Leisure Books edition. I would assume that the copyright statement in the Alkemara Press edition refers to the serialization. Our standards for serialized novels that are later published in book form is that that we give the date of the novel record as that of the first book publication. e.g. A Princess of Mars, serialized in 1912, first published as a book in 1917. Since the edit in question was attempting to change the date of the novel to that of the first serialized installment, I rejected it and suggested that Username reach out to you to determine the source of the existing 1999 date. Worldcat has no publications prior to 2001. Interestingly, they do list a small press edition from Subterranean which is described as a first edition and which we don't have. I have not been able to find any evidence of a book publication prior to 2001. I believe the date for the NOVEL publication record most likely should be 2001. I don't know that we've ever listed serializations by email subscription, but I would argue that they could be included with a CHAPBOOK container title. We know the date of the first installment (May 1999) and that could possibly be added. At a minimum the title record for the novel could mention the serialization in the notes. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:41, 9 September 2023 (EDT)
    No. Sounds overly complicated to me, but then, I'm just a worker bee, and I do what I'm told to. MLB (talk) 20:57, 9 September 2023 (EDT)
    Date corrected and note added. MLB (talk) 21:12, 9 September 2023 (EDT)

    Weird Tales Vol. 1 No. 2, April 1923 pub series

    I added the publication series Pulp Fiction Classics, as seen on the cover, to the MythBank Weird Tales Vol. 1 No. 2, April 1923, as you did with Vol. 1 No. 1.--MOHearn (talk) 20:05, 16 September 2023 (EDT)

    Ghosts & Scholars Titles

    Hi MLB -

    I have been cleaning up the titles of the Ghosts & Scholars fanzine. There are two issue that you have verified 332644 and 332660, one permanent and one transient. The standards (see Missing or variant dates) indicate that when there is no date in the magazine, that the title should use volume/issue number or only the issue number. For this fanzine, I have been removing the date portion (i.e. the year) from the titles and placing the comma in the correct spot to cause the issue to appear in the grid. Do you have any objections if I make the same edits to the two issues that you have verified? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:37, 17 September 2023 (EDT)

    No. Go right ahead. MLB (talk) 19:16, 19 September 2023 (EDT)

    Generations / Let's Get Invisible! / Monster Blood

    Hello, I'm letting you know that I'm removing the pages field spaces in these pubs; Generations, Let's Get Invisible!, Monster Blood. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 01:09, 22 September 2023 (EDT)


    [17]; All other entries are by Michaels; does it really say Michael in CD issue or was it a mistake? Also, he died years ago; --Username (talk) 09:06, 22 September 2023 (EDT)

    Still the TYPO king!!! What an idiot am I. Corrected. Good catch. MLB (talk) 21:21, 22 September 2023 (EDT)

    Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, March-April 2023

    Hi, Mark! According to the notes for the above magazine the nongenre piece "The Balance of Some Things" on p. 157 shouldn't be indexed, I guess. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 06:16, 25 September 2023 (EDT)

    Okay, I read it before I listed it, and it was a non-supernatural horror story, like much of Robert Bloch's stuff, or Laurence James' Mercy. But, a horror story it is. MLB (talk) 19:22, 25 September 2023 (EDT)
    Well, but if it's nongenre, it doesn't belong here (for example, if it's a story decribing torture, if it is psycological horror, or if it is more in the vein of a thriller).
    We do list all of the works of Laurence James and of Robert Bloch (like we do for Ursula K. Le Guin or Isaac Asimov), because they are above the threshold. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 07:42, 26 September 2023 (EDT)
    **Grump**Grump**Sulk**Oh very well, I guess you got a point. I'll take care of it. MLB (talk) 01:20, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
    Thanks! I'd wish to include some more stories by some favourite authors of mine, but - alas - they also are below the threshold. But regarding this magazine issue: it seems that Kristine Kathryn Rusch & Joyce Carol Oates are above the threshold, and their stories could (or should) be included, I'd say: at least there are a bunch of nongenre stories by these two in the database. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:29, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
    I brought this up some time ago see here and I was shot down on doing this. As you know, I would gladly list these authors, but I was told no. A good topic for discussion. MLB (talk) 21:18, 27 September 2023 (EDT)
    Hi, Mark! The crucial passage by Marty that you must have overlooked is "unless the issue of the magazine is being included for some other reason". Well, that's exactly the case here: the magazine is included because there are other eligible stories. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 08:33, 15 October 2023 (EDT)

    Kidnapped By Cannibals; Cover art date and intro date should be the same as book date, I think. --Username (talk) 11:00, 29 September 2023 (EDT)

    I've changed the info, but, honestly, I don't remember even having this book. So much has changed in this house over the last ten years. MLB (talk) 22:24, 29 September 2023 (EDT)

    Phoenix Bells; I've been doing a few Ptacek edits, too, and noticed Phoenix Bells Mystique edition was entered twice, once as a series and one standalone. Is that a mistake? --Username (talk) 14:08, 3 October 2023 (EDT)

    I believe that I deleted one. Let me know if it shows up again. I just started reading Ghost Dance and noticed that nobody had updated her page for a while, so I thought I would do it. Let me know if I make anymore mistakes. MLB (talk) 20:08, 3 October 2023 (EDT)

    Asimov's Science Magazine

    I'm holding two submissions ([18], [19]) that would convert the titles on 2 of your verified magazines from "Asimov's Science Magazine" to "Asimov's Science Fiction". These would appear to be correct, but checking with you on the off chance the magazine dropped "Fiction" on the title page of these magazines. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:35, 14 October 2023 (EDT)

    Yes, Don't know how I did that. Stupidity on my part. MLB (talk) 02:11, 15 October 2023 (EDT)
    We all do it. Thanks for the response, I have approved the submissions. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:16, 15 October 2023 (EDT)

    Cover for The Turing Option

    In case you care, I accepted a submission changing the cover image for your verified The Turing Option. The replacement has an identical front but shows the spine, so I figured I'd mention it. Dunno whether it's even remotely likely that spines might differ.... --MartyD (talk) 12:44, 15 October 2023 (EDT)

    Okay. MLB (talk) 19:45, 15 October 2023 (EDT)

    Yolanda: Slaves of Space

    Hi Mark

    Could I get you to double check the ISBN for your verified copy of Guieu's Yolanda: Slaves of Space. The ISBN we have listed, 0-8021-4018-1, appears to be that of the Grove Press edition of Burroughs' Naked Lunch. Worldcat has "0802101216" as the ISBN of the Guieu book. Perhaps the publisher used the incorrect ISBN in one of the places it occurs on the book. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:53, 19 October 2023 (EDT)

    Give me a bit of time to find it. MLB (talk) 22:08, 19 October 2023 (EDT)
    Corrected. I also added the catalogue number. I will never forget the Steve-Martin-in-a-loincloth cover. MLB (talk) 21:03, 20 October 2023 (EDT)

    New Mystery Adventures, February 1936

    A quick question about your verified New Mystery Adventures, February 1936, a 2006 reprint of the original New Mystery Adventures, February 1936 magazine issue. Our pub record currently says that the publisher of the magazine issue was "Adventure House", but that is presumably a carryover from your 2006 reprint. The 1935-1937 magazine was first published by "Pierre Publications", but Wikipedia says that the name was changed to "Fiction Magazines, Inc." in May 1936. Could you please check your 2006 reprint to see if the facsimile pages say "Pierre Publications"? TIA! Ahasuerus (talk) 19:28, 24 October 2023 (EDT)

    That's a new one on me. That facsimile is now in storage where, right now, I can't get at it. But if I remember correctly, it was, somewhere, listed as a Pierre Publication. Still, I wouldn't swear to it, but at it states "The title changed publishing hands several times, and the book was retitled almost as many times trying hard to stick it out in the pulp jungle." MLB (talk) 21:26, 24 October 2023 (EDT)
    Thanks! I have changed the publisher's name to Pierre Publications and added a note explaining that it comes from Wikipedia and will need to be verified. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:41, 24 October 2023 (EDT)

    Lewis Pinder PB; I replaced cover in a PENDING edit with the one on Bookscans; it's much clearer and the price isn't crossed out. --Username (talk) 23:59, 10 November 2023 (EST)

    Alright. Cool. MLB (talk) 00:16, 11 November 2023 (EST)

    Valyra and the Dragons; When adding an link in a PENDING edit I noticed first story's author had the wrong first name so I fixed it to Christiane. I assume yours says the same and it was just a typo. --Username (talk) 09:35, 12 November 2023 (EST)

    Duplicate Reginald Numbers

    Hi MLB -

    I just wanted to let you know that I've added a note to two of your publications where the catalog number in Reginald3 is shared with another book. Unfortunately, there are occasional mistakes in Reginald where the catalog number is repeated. The two publication of yours where I added the note are Afrikorps and Iron Horse. Please let me know if you have any concerns about this. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:06, 14 November 2023 (EST)

    Not at all. I've never used Reginald3. If something needs changing, go ahead. MLB (talk) 03:16, 15 November 2023 (EST)

    Horror Gems; Title page says Volume 1, not One. --Username (talk) 11:17, 18 November 2023 (EST)

    Check, corrected. MLB (talk) 20:38, 18 November 2023 (EST)
    OK. P.S.: Your note still says Volume One. --Username (talk) 21:31, 18 November 2023 (EST)

    Genesis Cover Art; Rick Lieder has a few credits as by Leider here so I'm trying to make variants but for this book there's no credit inside and the cover is signed Lieder on lower right corner so I think it should be changed to that, no variant. EDIT: Oddly, this one,, does actually credit him on copyright page and it does say Leider so I'll have to make that a variant. Also, there might be a signature on the cover next to the word Grant but it's hard to tell what it spells. EDIT:; I added link in a PENDING edit and it says Leider with no signature on the cover that I can see. Finally, Winter Knight has Lieder on copyright page and was entered as such but this,, also has Lieder, [20], but was entered here as Leider so that should be changed, too, no variant. --Username (talk) 10:11, 20 November 2023 (EST)

    Hanged Man; I fixed publisher in a PENDING edit to this, --Username (talk) 13:33, 26 November 2023 (EST)

    Okay. Lemme guess, I just listed the publisher as Pinnacle instead of Pinnacle Books. MLB (talk) 20:36, 26 November 2023 (EST)

    Seventh Sense; I fixed publisher in a PENDING edit to this, (and added link). --Username (talk) 13:41, 26 November 2023 (EST)

    The Warriors, the Mothers, the Drowned by 'Kay Chronister'

    Hi! Looking at the multiple instalments of this, I somehow have the feeling that there are pieces of different content involved. (Would one reprint the same text over and over again?) Maybe it's even some sort of column. Can you find out some more about this? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 02:51, 30 November 2023 (EST)

    Beneath Ceaseless Skies is, to be blunt, awfully lazy when it comes to their reprints, often reprinting the same story multiple times in the same year. Now, as to the story The Warriors, the Mothers, the Drowned; I checked the recent reprints, and they are all the same story, at least by checking the first sentences of the reprints, they're free on the internet. I didn't read the stories, so they might have been revised, but ...
    It should be noted that I cut-'n'-pasted the contents of all of the magazines, so the titles come directly from the magazine's website. Anything else you need to know, just ask. MLB (talk) 22:00, 30 November 2023 (EST)
    And no, The Warriors, the Mothers, the Drowned is not a column. It's a real story. MLB (talk) 22:03, 30 November 2023 (EST)
    Thanks for checking! Wondersome things do happen in publishing ;-) Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:33, 1 December 2023 (EST)

    Providence Rider; While adding link in a PENDING edit I changed page count to 415. --Username (talk) 18:50, 11 December 2023 (EST)

    OKay. MLB (talk) 20:15, 11 December 2023 (EST)

    Ian Watson / The Embedding

    Posted on the talk pages of SFJuggler, MLB.
    I am editing and PVing The Embedding and would like to make the following changes:
    1) There is an ISBN discrepancy and I am proposing to add the following pub notes:
    The ISBN stated on copyright page, 0-684-13896-4, differs from the SBN stated on rear cover, 684-14205-8
    The ISBN 0684138964 appears to be also used for an edition of A Concise History of India by Francis Watson (non-fiction, non-genre) according to both the LoC and OCLC/WorldCat websites as at 2023-12-12
    The ISBN 0684142058 is not registered on LoC or OCLC/WorldCat websites but does appear on and used book sites (Abebooks, Biblio) as at 2023-12-12. Furthermore, it only returns results for one title: The Embedding so is probably the correct ISBN for this publication
    Based on all the above I would prefer to change the ISBN field of the pub record to contain 0684142058. However, I don't feel strongly about this; it's the pub notes that are important. What's your opinion about changing the ISBN field? I'll go with the majority opinion among the three of us.
    2) Back flap of dustjacket states "Jacket design by Jerry Thorp". Modern ISFDb practice is to not have coverart records for designers so I propose to remove the coverart record and will add explanatory pub note.
    3) Will add general pub notes.
    Is all this ok with you? Teallach (talk) 18:07, 12 December 2023 (EST)

    Go ahead and change anything you wish, I am not above making mistakes. About "cover designer", there seem to be be no hard and fast rules about this. When I came into this site it was open to interpretation, cover designer got the credit, and the blame, for the cover. These things (cover artist and cover designer) seem to be becoming interchangable now-a-days, especially with the lifting of images from places like Shutterstock. Change if you wish, no complaints from me. MLB (talk) 22:11, 12 December 2023 (EST)

    Ellery Queen's Mystery Magazine, December 1975

    hiya mate dunno if I should be bothering you but is it ok if i send in a link to the galactic cenrtal cover image? cheers, Gaz Faustus (talk) 19:32, 28 December 2023 (EST)

    Doesn't bother me. MLB (talk) 21:24, 28 December 2023 (EST)

    Building a Gravitational Wave Transmitter

    Hi, Mark! I do think that a recently published graphic was initially part of the above essay. Could you take a look if that is in fact the fact? (It deals with black holes rotating around each other). Christian Stonecreek (talk) 12:40, 29 December 2023 (EST)

    Circus; I added an link in a PENDING edit to the Circus anthology; while doing so I noticed that while contents say Eric Witchey for one of the authors it's Eric M. Witchey on story page. Problem is the title, Circus Circus, has no comma so it doesn't match Eric M.'s title on ISFDB. I suppose the fantasy magazine would need looking at to be sure what the title is on that story page but of the many issues of the magazine on that is not one of them. So letting you know in case you can find out and fix. --Username (talk) 19:43, 30 December 2023 (EST)

    ROF Feb. 2005; While all the other issues are quarto this one is bedsheet. Is that accurate or a mistake? --Username (talk) 19:48, 30 December 2023 (EST)

    Yes, a mistake. I suspect I added to an existing, and unverified, listing of this issue. I'll change. MLB (talk) 01:26, 31 December 2023 (EST)

    American Obsession; I added link, still pending, cover is unstable "G" so you may want to replace it and also fix the months of parent title and variant because they say 09 instead of 10 for the month. --Username (talk) 11:02, 3 January 2024 (EST)

    Still trying to build a gravitational wave transmitter

    Hi! I guess you missed out on the item four places above, or don't you have right now no access to the issue of 'Analog'? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:09, 3 January 2024 (EST) --Username (talk) 11:19, 3 January 2024 (EST)
    I'm sorry, but I got kinda busy. I'll get right on it. MLB (talk) 21:33, 3 January 2024 (EST)

    Jury of One; While adding link in a PENDING edit I noticed price was wrong so I fixed it to $5.99. --Username (talk) 12:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)

    Okay. MLB (talk) 20:38, 13 January 2024 (EST)

    Weird Mysteries Title; Misspelled word, Mysteriesm. --Username (talk) 11:03, 14 January 2024 (EST)

    S&S XVIII; While adding link in a PENDING edit noticed 320 page count was wrong so fixed it to 308. --Username (talk) 10:07, 21 January 2024 (EST)

    S&S XIX; I added archived link, uploader noted wrong page and they're right, what should be p. 149 is actually p. 151, so you may want to write a note about that if it's the same in your copy. --Username (talk) 10:24, 21 January 2024 (EST)

    30 Days of Night Essay; I removed anonymous unnumbered "about the author" from contents and adjusted page count to 325. --Username (talk) 18:26, 8 February 2024 (EST)

    Why? About the author essays are allowed. Dealer's choice. I choose to list it, and I list them all of the time. MLB (talk) 21:10, 8 February 2024 (EST)
    OK, so I deleted the follow-up edit removing the essay but kept the original,, which adds archived link and changes count to 325. The thing now is that, since there is no contents page with a page number for the "about the author" like there often is in a collection or anthology even when the page itself is unnumbered, the page number of the essay should be in brackets. Up to you if you want to do that. --Username (talk) 22:23, 8 February 2024 (EST)
    I'm holding Username's submission. The content title page number 327 should not be bracketed, It continues the series.
    Pages Field - If the novel ends on 325 it should be 325+[2], If it ends on 326 it should be 326+[1] and add a note about the unnumbered last page of the novel. See this help page. Let me know and I'll approve the held submission adding the link and then correct the pages field. John Scifibones 20:08, 23 February 2024 (EST)

    Tableau for Two

    Can you please double check the date on this illustration? Koszowski was born in 1949 so he could not have created a 1918 illustration. At first I was assuming it was another Allen Koszowski, but there are other illustrations by Koszowski in that publication which match the modern Allen Koszowski. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:11, 10 February 2024 (EST)

    The villian, THE TYPOMASTER strikes again! Corrected. MLB (talk) 20:40, 10 February 2024 (EST)

    Asimov's Science Fiction, May-June 2023

    I'm holding two edits to change the story Lemuria 4 Is Missing to "Lemuria 7 Is Missing" in your verified publication. Looking at the cover and a scan of the contents page (, the change looks correct. Do you agree? John Scifibones 16:19, 12 February 2024 (EST)

    TYPOMAN strikes again. Yes, to my shame I messed up. Please allow the change. MLB (talk) 21:35, 12 February 2024 (EST)

    The Weird Fiction Review, Fall 2012

    Hi MLB -

    After looking at The Weird Fiction Review, Fall 2012 as result of this inquiry, it looks like the page count should be 236. Any objections if I change it? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:19, 16 February 2024 (EST)

    No. MLB (talk) 18:34, 16 February 2024 (EST)

    When the Cold Wind Blows; I added an link in a PENDING edit and noticed artist was Lieder, not Leider, so I fixed that. --Username (talk) 20:12, 18 February 2024 (EST)

    Thanks. MLB (talk) 00:03, 19 February 2024 (EST)

    Miriam Allen de Ford

    As a verifier of a pub that uses a Miriam Allen de Ford credit, please see this discussion. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:31, 19 February 2024 (EST)

    The Other Side of the Interface contents

    Hi MLB, it looks like there's a typo for one of the short stories within The Other Side of the Interface. From the Amazon ebook sample for The Other Side of the Interface, the title for "'Tirra Libra', by the River, Sang Sir Lancelot should be "'Tirra Lirra', by the River, Sang Sir Lancelot" (with quotes included in title). I have created this submission to correct this.

    Additionally, this short story appears to be the same work (with a slight title variation) of 558617 based on both copyright information from the Amazon ebook sample for The Other Side of the Interface and the author's website. So, I've created this submission to make 3049919 a variant title of 558617 since the latter is the earlier publication. -Riselka (talk) 12:16, 24 February 2024 (EST)

    Well, I'm all for being corrected. Isn't that the point of this site? In my was a day ending in a "y"? Thanks for the info. MLB (talk) 21:40, 24 February 2024 (EST)
    Sorry, wasn't trying to be accusatory. Typos happen. I just wanted to give you notice of my edits since you created the initial publication for this title. -Riselka (talk) 15:08, 25 February 2024 (EST)
    Just joking around a little. Good catch on my mistakes. MLB (talk) 11:26, 26 February 2024 (EST)

    Asimov's Science Fiction, January/February 2024

    I'm holding this submission modifying a title in your verified pub Asimov's Science Fiction, January/February 2024. Approve or Disagree? John Scifibones 13:27, 28 February 2024 (EST)

    Well, I really flubbed that one, didn't I. Will change it myself, so thank the submitter for me. MLB (talk) 22:57, 28 February 2024 (EST)
    Done. MLB (talk) 23:00, 28 February 2024 (EST)

    Voodoo Fury; A bunch of these old Diamond books were uploaded recently, most only require a link to the archived copy but this one had a page count that was way off. I thought for a second that, like a lot of these old ex-library/bookstore copies, it was ragged and some pages fell out but no, WorldCat also says 250. I changed it in a PENDING edit. --Username (talk) 20:00, 28 February 2024 (EST)

    All I can say is that I checked my copy at that time, but, it's been about twelve years now, and I don't know where my copy is, so maybe I did make a mistake. So, until I find my copy, correct away!!! MLB (talk) 23:05, 28 February 2024 (EST)

    Sqidbar; Should it be Squidbar? --Username (talk) 11:00, 7 March 2024 (EST)

    Corrected. MLB (talk) 11:06, 7 March 2024 (EST)

    Bodies of the Dead; 1997 printing recently added to so I added a link, there's no G. in the editor's name, 1995 printing also has no G. so if your copy is the same the G. should be removed. --Username (talk) 10:47, 9 March 2024 (EST)

    Done. MLB (talk) 21:13, 9 March 2024 (EST)

    Curious Monster Blood II

    Hi! Could you please explain how you did come to 'Nineth printing per the numberline (10—6)' (this numberline would point towards a sixth printing, wouldn't it?), and how you did come to the year 1994 from the dateline (4—9/9): does this line doesn't point towards a different year or a date of 'unknown'? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:38, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

    And another question: How did the 'Apple /' part in the publisher's field came to be indexed (the OCLC entry for the first printing only gives Scholastic, and there's no explanation for it in the notes.) Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:43, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

    You got me. I was still learning my craft back then. That book is gone, but I'll fix what I can, and then transsient verify it. MLB (talk) 21:32, 18 March 2024 (EDT)
    Apple is an imprint of Scholastic. I have/had numerous books printed under the Apple imprint. The books are often marked with a little green apple illustration. See a recent printing of this book is printed under that imprint see here. MLB (talk) 22:04, 18 March 2024 (EDT)
    I tend to think that it is a pub. series, see here. Those beastly things can be mentioned anywhere in a given publication. This would then be in line with the entry at OCLC/WorldCat, one of the dependable bibliuographic sites.
    Thanks for correcting the other items! Christian Stonecreek (talk) 08:08, 19 March 2024 (EDT)
    Alright, fixed. MLB (talk) 16:21, 19 March 2024 (EDT)

    Dance of the Chupacabras; I randomly came across this copy,, which has a different page count than the TP you cloned and says "author's draft" and doesn't include the publisher's name anywhere. So if you want to enter it as an alternate edition or just add a link in the TP it's up to you. Also, all "The" words in the titles should be lowercase and the e-book info shouldn't be in the notes for the TP. --Username (talk) 19:26, 19 March 2024 (EDT)

    I believe I have corrected all of your concerns. Let me know if I missed anything. MLB (talk) 23:19, 19 March 2024 (EDT)

    Amazon Images Cleanup

    Hello MLB,

    Just a quick note about Amazon images. A lot of the edits you do have the image URL such as for example. These work for a limited time so until they exist, our page looks fine. Then they get removed from Amazon and our pages don't look as nice: see for example (not one of yours but the same pattern was used).

    When you get one of those image links off Amazon, simply clean it up to remove W/MEDIAX_ANYTHING_INHERE/images/ and get it to a standard link such as before adding to the Image URL field. Let me know if I can assist in any way :) Thanks! Annie (talk) 19:16, 22 March 2024 (EDT)

    Ah crap. I didn't realize. I'm embarrassed, and I'll try to do better. MLB (talk) 00:33, 23 March 2024 (EDT)

    Wild Violets; I added link in a PENDING edit and noticed date is January 1987, not 12/86. Also, not sure why cover in the record clearly says the artist Wm. Teason as does the other book here, Wolfsbane, with that variant but cover of archived copy says nothing. --Username (talk) 18:04, 29 March 2024 (EDT)

    If you check out the cover on this site it clearly says Wm. Teason. MLB (talk) 03:24, 30 March 2024 (EDT)


    I'm holding this edit which would impact your verified pub. Would you mind double checking and seeing if "Planetstuck" is correct? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:40, 30 March 2024 (EDT)

    I'll look it up. Give me a little way. MLB (talk) 15:27, 30 March 2024 (EDT)
    Yes, it is clearly "Planetstuck". One word, on both the contents page, and on the title page. MLB (talk) 22:01, 4 April 2024 (EDT)
    Thanks. I approved the edit. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:51, 5 April 2024 (EDT)

    Changes to "Baen Fantasy" and "Baen Science Fiction Books"

    A quick note to let you know that publisher records "Baen Fantasy" and "Baen Science Fiction Books" are in the process of being converted to publication series under "Baen Books" as per the outcome of this Rules and Standards discussion. This will affect one or more of your primary-verified publications. The only affected fields will be "Publisher" and "Publication Series". Ahasuerus (talk) 19:30, 4 April 2024 (EDT)

    Okay. MLB (talk) 21:47, 4 April 2024 (EDT)

    The Sixth Sense: Runaway; I added archived link and made art and title dates November per 1st printing. Art credit is for Joan, not John, so I fixed that but since cover is just images from The Sixth Sense it's not really art but design like the back cover says; also, since this was published in November it's unlikely the 3rd printing would still be in 2000. So after edit is approved it's up to you whether you want to verify the 3rd printing's date from somewhere or just make it 0000-00-00 and/or whether you want to remove artist credit and make a note that she did the design. --Username (talk) 15:02, 10 April 2024 (EDT)

    When I first started on this site the rule was that if the cover designer was given credit for the cover they got listed, thanks for the correction on the cover credit though.
    As to the printing...***Sigh*** thing that I have found out is that the Scholastic copyright pages are always a bit dodgy. Scholastic has been known to reprint copyright pages from non-Scholastic printings. One can only do the job with what one has to work with. MLB (talk) 00:00, 11 April 2024 (EDT)

    Inhuman #1; I made Paul W. Finch a variant of Paul Finch, "Bullbeggar Walk" was reprinted in a recent anthology so I made the 2004 title a variant, but even though I saw a contents page photo online that says Paul W. I'd still like to know if that's what it says on the story's title page. Also, should the 3 Svelha entries be by Svehla, the guy who runs Midnight Marquee? EDIT: The art for the Finch story is misspelled as Bullbegger. --Username (talk) 19:08, 18 April 2024 (EDT)

    My copy had done gone and disappeared after my brother had rearranged my collection during one of my stays in a hospital, and put most of it into storage. Still, I corrected everything. I'm good with listing Paul W. Finch as Paul Finch as his blog spot lists several novels as P. W. Finch. Thanx for noticing the mistakes. MLB (talk) 20:47, 18 April 2024 (EDT)

    Eternal City; It says Martin Harry on copyright page, not Martin H. --Username (talk) 19:29, 19 April 2024 (EDT)

    Ghost Country

    Expanded notes and added external IDs to your PVd Ghost Country.Jim (talk) 16:57, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

    The Kingfisher Treasury of Princess Stories

    I added the pub series to The Kingfisher Treasury of Princess Stories based on another book in the series that lists (with pictures of the covers) all the books in the series. I also marked the title record as juvenile based on the age range. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:48, 11 May 2024 (EDT)

    Detective Story Magazine, October 1942 cover artist

    Hi. Could the cover artist on your verified Detective Story Magazine, October 1942 be Modest Stein (see [21]) instead of Modest Storm? --MartyD (talk) 12:25, 12 May 2024 (EDT)

    My issue is in storage, but according to this page, you're correct. I must have misread the cover signature. I will change. MLB (talk) 20:05, 12 May 2024 (EDT)

    John Higgins; Higgins should have something added at the end of his name to differ from the other guy who was born the same year the old Higgins wrote his letter. --Username (talk) 09:07, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

    Evidently, author John Higgins was a very precocious newborn. Will change. MLB (talk) 15:51, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

    Analog Science Fiction and Fact edits

    Please see the following edits which impact several of your verified Analog Science Fiction and Fact issues:


    Please let me know if they match your publication. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:53, 25 May 2024 (EDT) are done. is in an Asimov's, and I'll check that one out soon. Thanks for finding these mistakes, I'll try to do better. I'm so embarrassed. MLB (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2024 (EDT)
    Instead of making the changes yourself, it would have been better for you to tell me the changes were good and I approve the above submissions. The above edits were by a new editor and now I will have to reject them which is not the best way of welcoming someone to the database. For 5964630, you changed the author but not the title. Does this mean the title correction should not be approved? For both 5964630 and 5964534, please let me know whether I should approve. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:19, 26 May 2024 (EDT)
    Oh crap! I didn't know. I was brought up that if I were to make a mistake that I should fix it. Sorry, make the changes. Now I know. MLB (talk) 21:24, 26 May 2024 (EDT)
    I approved the remaining two edits. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:18, 27 May 2024 (EDT)

    G. Gifune; Should it be by Greg, not Grey? That story is already on ISFDB from 1999. --Username (talk) 10:33, 10 June 2024 (EDT); Already on ISFDB from 1992 as Laird of Dundain. --Username (talk) 10:38, 10 June 2024 (EDT)
    Typo!!! Fixed the Greg F. Gilfone listing. However, the Greg Masterton story is listed as Laird of Dunain on both the contents page and the title page per Amazon's "Look Inside" feature. Laird of Dundain may itself be a typo. MLB (talk) 22:35, 10 June 2024 (EDT)
    In fact, after checking a review here I believe Laird of Dundain is the original typo, best check with the original verifier. Good catch, two typoes for the price of one. MLB (talk) 22:48, 10 June 2024 (EDT)

    Dreams of the Rocket Men

    Would you mind double checking your verified Analog Science Fiction and Fact, September 2016? I'm holding an edit that would change the story on page 83 from "Dreams of the Rocket Men" to "Dreams of the Rocket Man"? Can you confirm this is a database typo? If so, I will accept the submission. If not, I will unmerge Compelling Science Fiction, Issue 11, change its title, and variant the new record to the original (as the Amazon sample for that publication shows it does use "Man"). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:43, 13 June 2024 (EDT)

    I suspect that you're right. I must of been typing with my elbows again. Give a bit, and I'll check. MLB (talk) 20:39, 13 June 2024 (EDT)
    I'm sorry I took so long, please change. Or, do you want me to? MLB (talk) 21:52, 17 June 2024 (EDT)
    No problem. I approved the pending edit. Thanks for checking. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:20, 18 June 2024 (EDT)