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Hello, Horzel, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Mhhutchins 19:46, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

NEL edition of The Man Who Sold the Moon

I have a submission to update this record, but no changes were made. You only added a note to the moderator about a source for the cover art. This isn't the best way to add the new data to the record. Because the record has been primary-verified (a user has a copy and confirms the record's data is correct), you should leave a message on his talk page letting him know about your source. You can also do a primary verification of the record (in the next available slot), update the record (adding Bruce Pennington to the cover artist field), and then leave a note on the other verifier's talk page. I'll go ahead and do that for you this time. Thanks for the information. Mhhutchins 21:52, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

Cover art credit for The Snow Queen

Because this record has been primary verified, you should leave a message on the verifier's page letting him know that you've found the source for the art credit. I'll do that for you. Mhhutchins 21:57, 24 May 2012 (UTC)

General reply

Thanks for your fast replies. I haven't even figured out how to reply properly, this'll have to do for now. This is the first time I try to edit any wiki. I'll try not to make the same mistake twice... Horzel 10:41, 25 May 2012 (UTC)

A quick and easy lesson: to respond to a specific topic or message click on the [edit] link to the right of the message. A dialog box will open and you can enter your response. Start your message with a colon, and add another colon for each successive message to the number in the previous message. End the message with four tildes (~~~~) which will automatically date and "sign" the message. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:31, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing and notification

Thanks for your recent set of submissions. For a new editor, you seem to have caught on very early about how to update current records and creating new ones. Bravo! There are a few subtleties that you'll learn in time, but one of the most important is to source your data, and I've never seen a new editor do that so well and so soon. About notification of changes to primary-verified records, it's important that you notify the verifying editors before making a submission that will change a record's vital information. If you're adding new data, then you can submit the update and then notify. There are exceptions and they can be found in a notification notice at the top of most of the active editors' talk pages.

When you're creating a new record, and you're not working from a book in hand, please enter the source for your data in the record's "Note" field. If you are working from a copy of the publication, record that fact in the "Note to Moderator" field. This will speed up the acceptance process, because the moderator doesn't have to do research to confirm the data. Once the submission is accepted, you can go back and do a primary verification of it. There's a link in the Welcome section above to the help page for verifying records.

Again, you're doing a wonderful job. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 17:27, 31 May 2012 (UTC)

Primary verification

Hello, I've just approved your submissions for some british titles. As it seems that you own the books, please think about becoming "primary verifier" (PV) for them (click on "Verify this Pub" in "Editing Tools" on the left menu, then tick "Primary/Verified" on the following page). It will allow other contributors or users to know which person to ask for confirmation or clarification on this particular publication. Thanks again. Hauck 14:58, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

I will primary verify them, as soon as I've finished modifying the contents. Thanks for your explications. Horzel 09:12, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Space, Time and Nathaniel

For the introduction that you evoked in your notes, it seems that it should be indeed credited to Aldiss (see here. You can add it by the "Edit this pub" link (you can cut and paste the correct name from a later pub), then you'll have to merge it manually with the later occurences of this text (here). This is done by going to the author's page and selecting the "Check for Duplicate Titles" link, then choosing the similarly-titled items to merge. Hauck 15:09, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Gene-Hive/Gene Hive

You stumbled (fast) on some interesting problems due to the structure of the ISFDB. In this case, you'll need to follow those steps : 1- delete "Gene-Hive" from the 1959 collection (use "Remove Titles From This Pub")
2- add "Gene Hive" to the collection (via "Edit This Pub")
3- merge "Gene Hive" with the other similar titles (they're here and this confirm that this variant title is specific to _The Canopy of Time_), as "Gene Hive" is already a variant, you can't do this by the "Check for Duplicate Titles" way, you'll have to use the "Show All Titles" menu, found the two "Gene Hive" (on the fourth page), select and merge them (remember to retain the correct data like the publication date when doing this).
This should do the job. Hauck 15:34, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

More Than Human

Hello. For the publisher's name, there are periodically some attempts to standardize all this step by step, but you're on your own. I prefer to use "Gollancz" as it's the main form, even if you can find some "Victor Gollancz" and some composed names. Hauck 05:18, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

Experiment Station

About your question, it's not a variant ISFDB-wise (it's reserved for title or authorship changes not textual modifications), your note is perfect for explaining this. You'll have now to change the pub date to the first publication of this particular form of the text (I suppose it's 1955) and think about what to do with this same text ?. In the latter case, the only way to decide is alas probably to find a copy of the 1971 anthology and verify to which version it corresponds as Locus seems to imply (wrongly if I read you correctly) that the three texts are the same. Hauck 14:18, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

Science Fiction Adventures in Mutation, p186: "[Experiment Station] appeared under the title "The First" back in 1950; the version that you will read here is one the author has rewritten quite extensively for eventual inclusion in a collection of his own tales." So I'd expect the 1971 collection to contain the same text as does the 1955 anthology. Horzel 21:52, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

De Man in het Hoge Kasteel

Hello! I suppose the artist for this pub. was credited somewhere in it, right? Or were you using what was stated in the entry when veryfying it? Just asking, because I used this information for varianting the cover art of another publication where no credit was given to Keulers. Stonecreek 14:54, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Nico Keulers is credited inside. Horzel 15:16, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for looking! I'll add a note that he is credited on the copyright page (that is the most probable place - if he's credited somewhere else please let me know it). Stonecreek 17:40, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
Copyright page. That was the word I was looking for :-) Horzel 18:44, 14 June 2012 (UTC)
No problem! It's just great to learn something about covers you like you didn't know before. Stonecreek 18:51, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Import contents

You can always import contents from another record that has the same, or even close, contents to the record you're updating. Go to the record with the contents, copy its record number (in your browser its the number after "cgi?"). Then go to the contentless record, and click the "Import" link under the Editing Tools menu. Enter the record number of the record with contents (choosing whether to keep the same page numbers or not), then submit. In the case of the Asimov collection, go to this record, copy its number (which is 50069) and proceed from there. Mhhutchins 21:36, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Thank you! A very useful feature! Horzel 21:45, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Twilight of the City

I approved your edit of this pub, however in the Note could you add a line to the effect that the artist has been identified from the identical artwork on the verified pub The Secret Songs. If there's no visible evidence on the publication as to who the artist is (as the Note currently states) but that information comes from a secondary source, it needs to be added to the Note. And as I'm sure you already know, you'll need to notify the previous verifier of Twilight of the City about the new art credit. Thanks. PeteYoung 11:26, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. I should have modified the Note (and will). I did notify the previous verifier (but maybe you were too fast for me). And I intend to make this cover art a variant of The Secret Songs cover art.Horzel 18:02, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Another problem: The cover for The Secret Songs is credited to Anthony Roberts, not Tony Roberts. You'll have to make it match. Then we'll deal with the variant situation. Mhhutchins 18:33, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I see now that Tony is the canonical name. In this case, they don't have to match. Leave the credit for Twilight as is. Mhhutchins 18:35, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

The Heaven Makers

I've had to reject the update edit you intended to make for The Heaven Makers. I can see what you were trying to do, but to update that particular record in such a way would have removed any reference to the 1970 first NEL edition, which you say in the Note to Moderator that you also have, although the database at the moment has an incorrect cover for it (I agree that that cover design template for NEL dates from the mid-to-late 1970s; I probably even bought it myself when it first appeared). As your copy appears to be a new publication currently not in the database, your better option would have been to Clone the publication: under Editing Tools on the Toolbar you'll see "Clone This Pub", which makes a copy of the publication which you can then edit in the same way without touching the original, and which then appears after approval. You can then go back to the publication you originally wanted to edit, upload the correct cover for it and make the necessary edits including the artist credit to Jan Parker, all from your copy at hand. Hope this makes sense. Thanks. PeteYoung 22:42, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

I have your new publication of this on hold, because it looks very much like this pub. The date, price, publisher, and page count are identical, although the cat number and cover artist are not. What are the differences that indicate your new entry is a different publication from the existing June 1970 NEL publication? Please help me understand your intent here. Or did you do the close and submit it without changing other details? -DES Talk 02:47, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
I've got a copy of The Heaven Makers, with a cover (presumably) by Jan Parker, and a publishing date of June 1970 at the copyright page. Price 6/- and no ISBN, which makes sense for 1970 but not for 1976.
Then I find an existing ISFDB record of The Heaven Makers, with a Pennington cover, an obviously incorrect Year (record says June 1970 but cover mentions the Dune trilogy so should be 1976 or later), with an ISBN, and a price that has been corrected before, and most likely should not have been corrected (If I remember well, the UK introduced decimal coinage in 1970).
So now the question is, which part of the existing record should remain, and which part should be modified. It does not really matter, as long as both existing record and new record are correct. Right? Unless some part of the record should not be modified (or there is a URL somewhere to this record). But if e.g. the Tag should not be modified, it should not be modifiable.
The majority of the data of the existing Heaven Makers record fit together, except the Year, Price and part of the Note. So I changed those.
Can it be that the real problem is that I had to do one Publication Edit and one New Publication, and lacking a transaction mechanism, both were audited separately? Horzel 08:06, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
It sounds to me as if the existing recode with the post 1975 cover, was at some time "corrected" probably from secondary sources, to try to make it into a record for a copy of the same book you have. There are two ways we could handle this. We could edit the existing record to make it match your book, and forget about the newer cover and the ISBN (which may be bogus, amazon often assigns ISBNs to old books based on the publisher even though the book in question never had an ISBN). Or we can let your entry through, and edit the existing one to as correct for the 1976 or later book. I'm going to do the 2nd. I am sorry if this was frustrating to you, last night I was thinking we had a nearly correct entry and here was no reason to create a near-duplicate pub entry. I did read your previous discussion, but yes things can be confusing when two different mods deal with parts of a sequence of edits. For the matter of that, they can be confusing when one mod deals with them but fails to correctly understand he editor's intent. The "Note to moderator" feature helps with that but nothing is perfect until we get the updated telepathy modules.
I am going to approve the edit of yours I held, and edit the existing record as best as I can based on your comments above, mostly by removing info clearly incorrect. Please look at that when i have finished it, and if you have data to correct it further please do so. -DES Talk 12:31, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Your edit approved and the other pub edited. Please have a look at it. Thanks. -DES Talk 12:47, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
On the TAG field -- at one point long ago this was manually assigned, now it is auto-generated and normally is not modified manually. There have been a few occasions, however, when the generating algorithm fails and produces a duplicate tag, which must be modified manually. Otherwise it should not be edited. -DES Talk 12:50, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Actually, Tags can still be manually assigned during "Add New Magazine", but editors are discouraged from doing so. I fixed two bugs that meant the system could duplicate Tags for very similar titles, and wrote the script that allows mods to find duplicates, but ideally we'd remove the functionality completely and stick to the guaranteed unique Publication IDs. BLongley 13:52, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
The two records will be fine, once the cover upload is approved. Thanks. Now all I need is The Paperback Fanatic's Visual Guide to NEL to check the cover artist. Alas, sold out. Horzel 08:56, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

David McCall Johns[t]on

Hi. Do you by any chance have the 1974 The Sword and the Stallion? I'm wondering if that "Johnson" credit you propose making into a pseudonym isn't just a typo on our part. I'm going to see if I can get one of the verifiers to double-check. --MartyD 11:53, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Please do. Alas, I don't have a copy. Horzel 12:22, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
The only active verifier couldn't help. I'm going to reject the pseudonym and change the credit to Johnston based on corroboration from secondary sources. We can always do this again if the "Johnson" spelling can be confirmed. Sorry about the long delay. --MartyD 02:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for trying. (By the way, correct link is The Sword and the Stallion ). Horzel 07:51, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Continuum 1

I approved your edit to Continuum 1. Please don't forget to notify all three primary verifiers. -DES Talk 12:20, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Done. Also for Continuum 2,3,4. Didn't know I was supposed to notify PV2 etc. Horzel 14:40, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
There isn't a written rule about that, but it is a good idea. Much of the reason for the notifications is that if the primary verifier check his (or her) copy and it doesn't match, we may need to adjust something or create a separate record. When there is more than one primary verifier, there is no knowing which one will check first, and more eyes means more accuracy, in general. It may well be that PV3, say, is far more active than the others, the numbers just indicate who verified first. Thank you. -DES Talk 15:08, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Notification of Primary Verifiers should be easy to automate ... Horzel 18:08, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
You'd think so, but those of us programmers that understand the database and interface software don't necessarily understand the Wiki software, which we have no control over. :-( There does need to be some improvement to the verification system - it's rather broken at the moment which is why they appear in an illogical order - but I doubt we'll get to it soon. You can always log a Feature Request to make sure we don't ignore the problem. BLongley 18:55, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Changing a content record

In the submission to update this record you left a note in the Note to Moderator field (not really the best place to leave such a note) that " Nightfall should be The Best of Isaac Asimov, but can't do that now (greyed out, 'in multiple publications')". This is easily fixed. Go to the pub record and remove the content record that is incorrect, using the "Remove Titles from This Pub" link under the Editing Tools menu. Check the box beside the record you wish to remove and then submit. Now edit the pub record to add a new content record to replace the one you just removed. Mhhutchins 21:46, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

I had to reject the submission to "unmerge" this title record from one of the two publications in which it appears. The link to unmerge should only be used to remove publication records from container title records. There's a bug in the function to "unmerge" contained titles from container publications, so the function should be removed from the content (contained) title record page. Use the "Remove Titles from This Pub" function that I describe above. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:59, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

BLIC links

A significant secondary verification source is the British Library Integrated Catalogue (BLIC). I ans some other moderators used to insert links to BLIC records in notes, just as we to to OCLC/Worldcat records and LOC records. Unfortunately it turns out that the BLIC URLs are tied to a browsing session and are invalid after about 48 hours. No one at the ISFDB has yet found a way to make a permanent link to a BLIC record from the BLIC number. So we have stopped making such links, as they lead only to a "not found" page.

Why am I bothering you with this? Because i just approved an edit of yours to a pub record that had such a link. Not that you added it, but it was there. It is a good idea to remove such links when you find them and are editing the record anyway. It is not required, but is a good idea. I have removed this one, but I wanted to give you a heads up about this for the future. -DES Talk 14:56, 19 July 2012 (UTC)


Submission addingthis record was accepted, but you entered an invalid ISBN. Up until circa 2005, the ISBN was only 10 digits long. It appears that you added the price code which some paperback publishers give at the end of their catalog number. Ballantine was known to do this. Usually just removing the last three digits makes it a valid ISBN. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:22, 23 July 2012 (UTC)

Changing a primary verified publication

It is ISFDB etiquette to notify the editor who did a primary verification of a record before making a substantial change in any of the fields. I'm holding the submission to change the cover artist credit of this record until you've had a chance to notify the editor. (The rules concerning this policy are stated here.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:34, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

ISFDB date formats

All dates in the ISFDB should be entered in the format YYYY-MM-DD. If any of those are unknown you can enter zeros, but the each element must be complete, e.g. a person born in 1940 should be entered as 1940-00-00 if you don't know the actual date. I accepted the submission to update the data for Victor Linford so that you could see how the system handles incomplete date fields. Another question: London, England? Ontario? Kentucky? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:24, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Sintels by Holdstock

The submission adding this record was accepted. Please let the moderator know you're working from a book in hand in the "Note to Moderator" field. If not, please give your source in the "Note" field. Either way, it must be sourced. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:11, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

You need to update each of the title records and change the language to Dutch. I'm not sure why the contents defaulted to English. Did you create the record using the "New Pub" function or the "Add Pub" function? Mhhutchins 19:11, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

I'll do that. I created the 'Sintels en andere verhalen' title as a variant of 'In the Valley of the Statues and Other Stories' with language='Dutch', then added a publication and in the same batch added the contents. Horzel 19:19, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
That is the problem. When you add contents to an existing publication, the resulting title records get no language (the language field looks like English when you edit the title, but is empty). I created a feature request for this, but for now it's better to enter the contents in the same edit that creates the pub. --Willem H. 19:30, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
So following Willem's suggestion, it's better to create the record using the "New Pub" function and add all the contents in the same submission. That way the language of the contents default to the language of the publication record. When that submission is accepted, then go back and variant the titles to the English language ones. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:44, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
And going back to the original topic, you'll need to record your source in the note field, or do a primary verification of the record. Again, thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 19:46, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
Primary verification has been taken care of. I must say, being a database programmer I find writing procedures often easier than following procedures ;-) Horzel 22:08, 15 September 2012 (UTC)
As a database user, I find sourced records to be much more reliable than unsourced ones. As a database editor, I find that sourcing records becomes second nature if another editor is there to remind me. If only just to shut him up! :-) Please keep contributing. Mhhutchins 00:17, 16 September 2012 (UTC)


I accepted the submission adding the cover art credit to this record. You should not ask questions in the "Note to Moderator" field. There's no way for the moderator to respond in that context. It's better to ask at the Help Desk. I've started the process to disambiguate the works of Foster, the artist, from Foster, the Tolkien scholar. Thanks for letting me know about the situation. Mhhutchins 17:15, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Note to Moderator field, please, please, please

Please use the Note to Moderator field to inform the moderator that you're working from a book-in-hand. Again, it really saves us so much time and research. Can I assume you have this book? I can't assume that based on the original submission, and you don't note your source. Mhhutchins 22:02, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

As far as I remember, I noted "will add cover, will PV". Sorry if I forgot, or my text wasn't clear enough. Guess I'd better write "my book" next time. By the way, I've thus far refrained from adding publications of which I don't have a copy. Horzel 07:54, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
The moderator has no way of knowing that unless you tell us in the note to moderator field. And I don't think I would have missed the note you describe, but if I did, I apologize. Mhhutchins 15:08, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Partial dates

If you want to provide a partial date, you need to include zeros for the missing pieces. If a date's format is not YYYY-MM-DD, the value in the submission gets thrown away. So you need to use:

  • YYYY-00-00 for year only, month and day unknown
  • YYYY-MM-00 for year + month, day unknown
  • 0000-MM-00 for month only, year and day unknown
  • 0000-MM-DD for month + day, year unknown
  • 0000-00-00 for completely unknown

Unfortunately, it's easy to forget and it's also easy for a moderator to miss. --MartyD 10:16, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Oops, I did it again. Sorry. Horzel 11:17, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Tanith Lee's Women as Demons

I believe the submission to add a new record for this title is the same as this record. Is there any reason to think you may have a different edition? Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:47, 8 October 2012 (UTC)

Just look at my cover at Flickr. Then look at the art at this Juliette Pearce site, its style is more compatible with my edition than with the Madonna photograph of the publication already at ISFDB. And says the ISFDB edition is a pb with the same ISBN as my tp. Horzel 21:14, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
Don't judge a record by its cover link. Especially if it's an unverified record, and especially, especially if it's linked to Amazon. Other than that I see no major differences between the two. Please proceed to update the current ISFDB record, and cancel the pending submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:38, 8 October 2012 (UTC)
I see that you've updated the original record, so I'll reject the submission. Keep in mind that a user has the ability to cancel any pending submissions. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:14, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Jan Parker

I've submitted modification of NEL cover artist Jan Parker's data based on this website. My chain of reasoning is as follows: ISFDB's Jan Parker created the cover and interior art of Witchcraft and Black Magic (Hamlyn all-colour paperback, 1972). The style fits right in with his NEL covers. The Jan Parker of illustrated "the world’s first full-color paperback book, Myths and Legends of Ancient Greece", which can be googled to be a Hamlyn all-colour paperback from 1969. So they must be the same person, unless there were two Jan Parker illustrators on the same Hamlyn series of books in a time span of three years. Horzel 12:38, 12 October 2012 (UTC)

Artist credit

If the cover credit for this publication is based on a visible artist's signature, and you know the full name of the artist, then the record should reflect the full name and not the signature...unless the artist is only known by his signature (that would be his "canonical" name.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:11, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

I've learned the artist's full name, so I guess that means I should change his canonical name to his full name. Only thing is, if someone comes across a cover with this signature, will he/she go looking through the whole list of possible Michels? It might be useful to also have an entry for an author (artist) named Michel, perhaps without any depending titles, but with a biographic comment telling one where to find the artist(s) with the "Michel" signature. (In the case of "Leonard", there are (at least) two artists, the 1930s interior artist, and Michael Leonard who covered Grendel and Rocannon and maybe (or not) covered Time Gladiator. Horzel 14:07, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

De Man in het Hoge Kasteel

I added the publication series, corrected the number of pages (to the last printed pagenumber) and added some minor notes to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:29, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Disambiguating generic titles

I corrected the introduction as given in this record to reflect the ISFDB standard of adding the title of the work parenthetically to distinguish it from other similarly titled works by the introducer. Mhhutchins 19:38, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Ah yes. Thank you. Horzel 12:13, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Changing a primary verified publication, again

I'm holding the submission to change this record. Please read this again. If you wish to do a primary verification of the same record, I'll go ahead and accept the submission. Otherwise, you should first notify the primary verifiers before making a submission that changes the record. The addition of cover art credit in a record for a book in which the cover art is not credited is considered a change of the record. Thanks for cooperating. Mhhutchins 22:08, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

From Making changes to verified pubs: "It is a matter of courtesy to inform the verifier of changes you make to his or her primary verified pubs, unless a specific verifier has requested not to be notified of particular types of changes. It is very strongly encouraged that you notify the verifier first if the change is particularly significant. Many moderators will not approve a "destructive" change -- that is one that removes or alters data in a verified pub record -- unless the verifier has been asked first. Changes that only add data are usually considered less significant, but verifiers should still be notified of such changes."
So, in my opinion, I've made an addition, and I've notified the primary verifiers of the change (well, maybe three minutes later). If that isn't good enough, I give up. Horzel 23:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
If you'll re-read my message, you'll see that addition of cover art credit in a record for a book in which the cover art is not credited is considered a change of the record. This is not merely an addition, it's an actual change in the record, and a significant one. The proper procedure would have been notifying the verifiers of the new data without making a submission, leaving it up to them to decide whether the data is from a reliable source, and to make an edit to the record. It is very much appreciated when you come across important missing data, and are able to provide that data to the primary verifiers, along with your source. You should not feel it's necessary that you make a submission to change the record. Editors notify each other of such data all the time without making the changes themselves. And as I said above, if you had a copy of the publication and was willing to do a primary verification of the record, I would have had no problem accepting the submission knowing you'd already notified the other primary verifiers. I'm sorry if this procedure isn't clearly outlined in the Help section, but I hope this explanation helps. The verification system is important in maintaining the integrity of the db. I appreciate your contributions and hope you continue to edit. Mhhutchins 23:16, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay, thanks for your explanation. And don't worry, I will continue. Horzel 23:21, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Please give us the exact page on the artist's website where we can see the image used in this record. Both the verifier and I looked for it and couldn't find it. Mhhutchins 16:58, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
I've approved your submission but we're waiting for your input. Thanks. Hauck 11:16, 26 January 2013 (UTC)
I found it: I will hyperlink the credit in the pub notes to it. --MartyD 11:51, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

Note to Moderator field

Please ask questions on the Help Desk page or on the Moderator Noticeboard. Moderators have no way to respond to questions left in the "Note to Moderator" field of a submission. We can only ACCEPT, REJECT, or HOLD the submission. Asking before the submission is made may save time and trouble. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:44, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Now to answer the questions you asked about this publication. You should enter the name of the publisher as given on the work's title page into the record's "Publisher" field. If it's not on the title page, take it from the copyright page. If it's not on the copyright page, take it from the spine of the book itself. If it's not on the book's spine, take it from the dustjacket. If no publisher is given in the book, leave the field blank and record this fact in the record's "Note" field. You asked "Should the memoir be listed under Interviews?" No, it should be added to the regular contents section, giving the page on which it starts, the name of the piece, leave the date field blank (unless it was previously published), under "Entry Type" choose ESSAY, leave the "Length" field blank, in the author field enter the name of the author (Bruce Pennington). Pennington should also be given as a co-author of the book. We do this for artbooks, crediting both the artist and the editor in the "Author" field of the publication record. A question: were these two volumes published as a set (to be purchased together) or were they published as two different book (available separately)? Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:53, 12 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks you very much for your explanations. The volumes were published as a set, not available separately. Otherwise I should have entered them separately. Horzel 08:43, 13 March 2013 (UTC)

Cover art for 'Project Barrier'

Hello, Horzel! Back from my vacation I found your note on the above item on my talk page. However, the artist wasn't added. Did something come in between or changed your mind? Thanks, Stonecreek 19:12, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Hello Stonecreek! Please read 'Changing a primary verified publication, again', half a screen (two sections) upwards from here. I've been trying to do what's asked there, but it does not look as if many editors at ISFDB are aware of this frustrating policy. Horzel 21:08, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Wollheim's World's Best SF: Series 8

Hi. I accepted your submission of Wollheim's World's Best SF: Series 8, but based on your notes and a double-check of Locus1, I changed the date from 1984-00-00 to 0000-00-00 ("unknown") and removed the Locus1 citation from the notes. The Locus1 record is for the original reissue (the one you cloned), not for your 9th printing. While you're forced to enter a year, 0000 can be used to mean "I don't know the year" (just as "00" is used to represent unknown month and also unknown day). Thanks. --MartyD 10:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)

Possible additions to Mythopoeikon

Hello, Horzel! I have added speculative fiction publications to this, this and this. The covers should appear on pp. 139, 97 and 99 of the artbook, if the german edition has in fact the same page count as the english. Stonecreek 19:45, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

I've just submitted these 3 as additional interior art in Mythopoeikon (Paper Tiger 1989). Your page numbers are correct. Horzel 20:38, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
And I varianted them to the original titles. Thank you! Stonecreek 18:35, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Cover image for Spaceship Medic

This cover image file was incorrectly uploaded. (It was uploaded directly to the server, bypassing the auto-upload which would have automatically added a fair-use license, created a unique file name which matches the tag of the publication record, and linked the file to the artist's wiki category page.) Please go to the publication record and click on the link "Upload new cover scan" and follow the directions. Once the file is uploaded to the ISFDB server, go back to the publication record and enter the URL of the newly upload file in an update to the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:18, 13 July 2013 (UTC)

Done. I was thinking that URL looked unusual. Horzel 13:14, 13 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for re-upping the image. I'll delete the original upload. Mhhutchins 05:24, 14 July 2013 (UTC)

Possible Peter Jones cover art

Can you look at this cover art and see if it's included in the Peter Jones art collection Solar Wind which you primary verified? According to the verifier of the Anderson novel, the copyright just says "Solar Wind". Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 14:16, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

No, it is not included. But this cover scan clearly (on the middle of the rock) shows Peter Jones' signature "Paj". And "Solar Wind" is to Peter Jones what "Agberg Ltd" is to Robert Silverberg. Horzel 14:27, 20 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you. That settles it. I'll let the editor know. Mhhutchins 15:32, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Home of the Red Man

I accepted your addition of Home of the Red Man, but I believe the record is missing a "0" at the beginning of the ISBN. Only nine digits are present when it should be ten. If the book was published with a catalog id and not an ISBN, then there should be a "#" at the beginning to reflect that. Would you mind double checking? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:54, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

From the copyright page: "Standard Book Number: 671-465558-9." The same number is on the spine. Look here for a comparable case. I've submitted a modification to create a valid ISBN with a leading zero, and added a note. Thank you. Horzel 21:40, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Seven Footprints to Satan (Avon)

In your verified Mythopoeikon, there is a Seven Footprints to Satan (Avon). This title record is varianted to a non-existent title which is causing an error. Would you please review and see whether this variant should be removed or changed to something else? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:06, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Working on it. I just submitted cover artist Woodroffe to this publication. When my submission is accepted, I'll re-variant the Mythopoeikon interior art. Horzel 22:36, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Frank Frazetta, Book Four

I am currently adding contents to Frank Frazetta publications, and have come to Frank Frazetta, Book Four, which you verified. Of course, the major effort is tying the illustrations together with other appearances, either though merges or varianting. I just wanted to let you know this was underway on this pub. Bob 18:35, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Great! I really appreciate that, I've done that in the past for Patrick Woodroffe - Mythopoeikon, and Peter Jones - Solar Wind, and it's indeed a major effort. Horzel 12:30, 25 March 2014 (UTC)

The Hugo Winners Volume One 1962-1967

Hello. I have supplied a new cover scan to your verified, and added some notes (overseas prices). I was also wondering whether the date of this pub should be recorded as “unknown” rather than 1973, since it is known that an earlier 1973 Sphere edition exists. I recall bying it round 1974/1975, so it could have been published around those dates. Is there definite proof that it was published in 1973 ? Thanks. Linguist 10:16, 14 May 2014 (UTC).

I can't prove that this edition was published in 1973, there's only the title page "first published in Great Britain in 1973 by Sphere Books Ltd". The book ads in the back all point to titles that were available in 1972. The price is the same as for that other edition that apparently had no ISBN, and so must be earlier. Prices seem to have gone up in 1974, so I don't think this is a 1975 edition. I bought my copy second-hand in the 1980s. Horzel 09:20, 15 May 2014 (UTC).
OK, thanks for responding. As I see it, there is a slight doubt on the year (73 or 74), so it might be better to record it as “unknown”, just to be on the safe side. Do you mind my editing the date (and express that doubt in the notes) ? Linguist 15:38, 16 May 2014 (UTC).
Go ahead. Horzel 21:30, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Improper cover image upload

This file wasn't uploaded correctly. Please go to the publication record for this edition and click on the link "Upload Cover Scan". Once the image is uploaded correctly to the ISFDB server, copy its URL and link it to the publication record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:15, 26 May 2014 (UTC)

I've submitted a new cover scan file, the old one may be deleted (it seems I can't). Apparently I made the same mistake as above (see Spaceship Medic). But I think I did click on "Upload Cover Scan", so I'm not sure what I did wrong. Horzel 10:46, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
This file and the other one you speak of were uploaded using the "Upload file" link on the wiki. That should only be done for files that are not cover image files. All uploads for cover images files should be done using the link on the publication record itself. This will automatically name the file the same as the publication record's tag, it will link the wiki file automatically back to the publication record (linking from pub record to image is manual), it places the file into the artist's wiki category, and it automatically adds the proper license tag. If you look at this file's wiki page before it was deleted, you would have seen that none of this was done. But all of it was done for this upload. And you're correct about being unable to delete wiki files. Only a moderator can do that. (It looks like another moderator has already deleted the first upload.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:41, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

This Is the Way the World Begins

Hello, I've approved your submission. From your notes to moderator, it seems that you were waiting for an action from me (as PV1), I'm sorry I didn't understand this sooner. Hauck 15:59, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem. According to ISFDB policy, I'm supposed to leave modifications of a publication to a PV of that pub. I've got a backlog of hundreds of pubs for which I can supply the cover artist, but where I don't own that pub. I'll have to remember to explicitly ask the PV to apply the modification. Horzel 12:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC).


I accepted the submission updating this artist's data, but reverted the last name field to "Maren". This field isn't visible on the author's summary page, and doesn't necessarily have to be the same as the author's legal last name. It is used to index him in the author directory. A user looking on this list would look under "M" for "Maren" and not "Sanjulian". Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:02, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Solar Wind

In my third printing of this book Stephen Bayley is credited on the copyright for the text. Since he's not credited for the book I added an essay with a note about the credit. Is your's the same? Thanks for checking, --Willem H. 10:00, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

From my Perigee 1980 edition's copyright page: "Text copyright (C) Dragon's World Ltd. / Solar Wind Ltd. 1980". No mention of a Stephen Bayley anywhere. I'll add the text copyright notice to my edition.
Text on page 7 is titled Biography, p8 "Where do you get your ideas"--"How do you get there?", half-way p9 "Technique, p11 "A note on technique". Horzel 21:35, 25 August 2014 (UTC)


Re the publisher credit of this publication: "Pyramid Publications" was the parent corporation, with the imprint being "Pyramid Books". It seemed that giving the publisher as "Pyramid Books / Pyramid Publications" was overkill, so it was settled to just enter their books as just "Pyramid Books". About the binding format: if it isn't a standard paperback size, I'd suggest changing it to "digest". I've done that for the other edition, which had been typed as "tp", but at 6 3/4 inches or 18 cm tall it wouldn't qualify as a trade paperback under the ISFDB definitions. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:38, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I've changed the size to digest. There's some mention of Pyramid Books on the copyright page, and of the "portrayal of a pyramid" (which is not actually portrayed anywhere in the booklet at all), but I think not enough to say Starfawn was published under the imprint Pyramid Books. Horzel 22:12, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
How is the publisher stated on the book's title page? Mhhutchins 22:39, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Title page states: Publisher / PYRAMID PUBLICATIONS / 757 Third Avenue / New York City Horzel 21:46, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Visions of Space: Artists Journey Through the Cosmos

Can you check Arthur C. Clarke's introduction in this verified pub again? In my copy of the book it's called "Foreword". Aside, the source for the publication month and day is Thanks for checking, --Willem H. 20:18, 20 September 2014 (UTC)

You're right. I've submitted a modification for the Foreword. Thank you. Horzel 11:23, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan

I would like to make a few chages to this verified pub. According to the current standards Jasck Gaughan should be listed as co-author. I would also like to change the publication date to July 2010 (based on the listing in Locus #596 (september 2010) and add some notes. Hope you can agree. --Willem H. 19:02, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not aware of this "current standard", but I agree it's very useful to have the artist who created most of the contents of an art book listed as co-author. Please go ahead. Horzel 22:22, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Non-Stop by Aldiss

Hello, I am not too savvy on the ISFDB, so I hope this message is left properly. I recently received a copy of Non-Stop 1st printing from Faber, inscribed by Aldiss to his sister Margaret, dated 25 April, 1958. Should this be added to the "notes" section in attempting to determine a release date for this title, or is it not solid enough data? Thanks so much - Fredvp71.

Welcome at ISFDB! In my opinion it might be useful to add to the Notes, but perhaps not enough of a proof to update the publishing "year". I'm not aware of an ISFDB policy on this, though there may be one somewhere. Google Books tells me that New Scientist had a review of this novel in the May 8, 1958 issue. It was listed as received in the April 24 issue, so 1958-04-00 is quite possibly correct.
By the way, it's always useful when editing an ISFDB wiki page to include a link to the page you're talking about, such as this: Non-Stop. Also to end your remark with four tildes, which will automatically be replaced by your login name, date and time, as described at the wiki editing help. See also the "welcome" section at your user talk page. Horzel 11:55, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Starfawn (re-visit)

I see that you and Mike Hutchins had a discussion in September about your edition of Starfawn. Since this may be of interest to you, I'll mention that I found a good image of the cover of the "Pyramid Books" edition, which I have uploaded for that publication. It helps to document the fact that these are two separate publications, and I added a note about that to the Pyramid Books edition. Chavey 23:06, 30 December 2014 (UTC)


Hello, you may find this name ringing loud bells as we follow one another on Flickr and have commented upon our respective book collections many times. I just wanted to let you know since you're the PV for this book that I have replaced your scan with a somewhat better one.

You may be interested to learn the Bruce Pennington has a Facebook page which includes galleries of covers that are misattributed to him - mainly the Ray Feibush / Richard Clifton-Dey variety.

--Mavmaramis 13:56, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, nice to meet you. Are you adding the missing BP credits to ISFDB? I've intended to do so for a long time, but haven't got round to it. Yes, I was aware of Steve Lines' BP fan page at Facebook. Thanks anyway! Horzel 21:23, 10 May 2015 (UTC)
I'm currently working my way through my vast collection from A to Z by author. I have added BP credits to some books where they were missing eg. this book and some notes to the disputed Ray Feibush / Richard Clifton-Dey ones too. I've also been going through trying to add cover artist information where I can but sometimes like this book where this artwork is depicted on a RPG called "Shadow World" published by Iron Crown Enterprises and is credited to Tony Roberts; having to tell (up to) five people can be of putting. Hopefully between us and our knowledge of cover artists we can try to catch most, if not all, the missing Pennington artwork. --Mavmaramis 16:36, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
Looking at various user talk pages, you've been doing a great job. Do you have a copy of this BP cover art listing? Horzel 09:05, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

(unindent) Unfortunately not. As far as I know it was issued in limited numbers and not available from Abe, Cold Tonnage or my other sources of 2nd hand SF material. --Mavmaramis 16:32, 22 May 2015 (UTC)

The following books have cover art by Bruce Pennington, according to this publication, and have or might have spec-fic content, but have not yet been attributed in ISFDB (editions marked + have been attributed to Pennington, in the meantime.) (by the way, I once asked and got Justin Marriott's permission to use his checklist for ISFDB):
+ Asprin (ed) - Thieves World 1 - Thieves' World (Penguin 1985)
+ Asprin (ed) - Thieves World 2 - Tales from the Vulgar Unicorn (Penguin 1985)
+ Blish - All Judgment Fled (Corgi 1969)
- Bradbury - The Illustrated Man (Corgi 1974) - different cover
- Bradley, MZ - Falcons of Narabedla (Arrow 1984)
- Bradley, MZ - Sharra's Exile (Arrow 1983)
+ Bradley, MZ - The Survivors (Arrow 1985)
+ Bradley, MZ - Two to Conquer (Arrow 1982)
+ Brin - Startide Rising (Bantam UK 1985)
+ Brin - Sundiver (Bantam UK 1985)
+ Burroughs - Thuvia, Maid of Mars (NEL 1969)
+ Carter, Diana - The Ghost Writer (MEWS 1975)
+ Dick - Martian Time-Slip (NEL 1976)
- Fortune, Dion - Moon Magic (Star 1976) (*)
+ Fortune, Dion - The Demon Lover (Star 1976) (*)
+ Fortune, Dion - The Goat-Foot God (Star 1977) (*)
- Fortune, Dion - The Winged Bull (Star 1976) (*)
- Gardner, Alan - The Hibernation of Ginger Scrubb (NEL 1970) [not SFnal?]
+ Haining (ed) - Beyond the Curtain of Dark (NEL 1972)
+ Haining (ed) - Dr. Caligari's Black Book (NEL 1969)
+ Haining (ed) - The Future Makers (NEL 1969)
- Heinlein - Between Planets (NEL 1971) [but this one seems to be credited to Ronald Ferns in Science Fiction Monthly 1974-03, not seen. The planet looks like BP, the space station does not.]
+ Herbert - Hellstrom's Hive (Corgi 1982)
+ James, Laurence - Backflash (Sphere 1975)
+ James, Laurence - Earth Lies Sleeping (Sphere 1974)
+ James, Laurence - Starcross (Sphere 1974)
- Keyhoe, Major Donald E. - Aliens From Space (Panther 1975) (*)
+ Le Guin - Rocannon's World and Planet of Exile (Star 1983)
+ Leiber - The Big Time (NEL 1969)
+ Lester, Andrew - The Thrice-Born (NEL 1977)
+ Levy, David - The Gods of Foxcroft (NEL 1972)
+ Matheson - The Shrinking Man (Corgi 1969)
- McCaffrey - Restoree (Corgi 1970) [not sure if this should be the 1970 edition; there's a very rare ed in 1980s Pennington style]
- Pattrick, William(ed)(=Haining) - Macabre Railway Stories (Star 1982)
- Pattrick, William(ed)(=Haining) - Mysterious Railway Stories (Star 1984)
+ Pauwels & Bergier - Impossible Possibilities (Mayflower 1973) (*)
+ Pohl (ed) - Nebula Winners 14 (Star 1982)
- Rankine, John - Interstellar Two-Five (Corgi 1968) - [does not like like BP, but the blue parts may have been added later]
- Scott, Hugh - A Ghost Waiting (Walker 1996)
- Scott, Hugh - Camera Obscura (Walker 1996)
- Scott, Hugh - The Ghosts of Ravens Crag (Walker 1997)
- Sheckley - Citizen in Space (NEL 1969) - [currently attributed to Ronald Ferns by authority of AbeBooks]
+ Silverberg - Hawksbill Station (Star 1982)
+ Silverberg - The Masks of Time (Star 1982)
- Silverberg (ed) - Science Fiction Hall of Fame (Sphere 1973)
+ Smith, Cordwainer - The Planet Buyer (Sphere 1975)
+ Smith, Cordwainer - The Underpeople (Sphere 1975)
+ Stewart, Fred Mustard - The Mephisto Waltz (Corgi 1971)
+ Temple - The Fleshpots of Sansato (NEL 1970)
+ W.W. [=William Bloom] - The Prophets of Evil (Star 1976)
- Berlitz, Charles - Mysteries from Forgotten Worlds (Corgi 1972) (*)
- Cammell, CR - Aleister Crowley, The Black Magician (NEL 1969) (*)
- David-Neel, Alexandra - Magic and Mystery in Tibet (Corgi 1971) (*)
+ Giles, Raymond - Night of the Warlock (NEL 1969)
(*) These titles are probably the wrong kind of speculative fiction.
The following books should have been listed but weren't:
- Carter, Lin - The Sky Pirates of Callisto (Futura/Orbit 1975) - shown at BP facebook fanpage [=Flug der Zauberer]
- Corley, Edwin - The Jesus Factor (Mayflower ) - shown at BP facebook fanpage
- Haining (ed) - Legends for the dark (NEL ) - shown at
Horzel 10:34, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
That's a great list. I was also aware of the Pennington site you linked at the bottom. It's a real pity I can't get my hands on a copy of those Marriott volumes. I trawled the web years ago for author bibliographies that had book cover images, having copies of Cowley's 'Terran Trade Authority' handbooks from Hamlyn plus about 90 or so art portfolios. I contributed cover art information to a number of sites like Philip Jose Farmer (where I get a credit), a list of the books that use images from Cowley (I linked to the page on my User Page) and Eisler's Galactic Encounters series and this was before I was aware of ISFDB (created 1995). I did wonder if all this nerdy information would one day prove useful and the internet has vindicated me. --Mavmaramis 18:19, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hugo Winners 1963-1967

Re this book. My copy has "First published in 1973" on copyright page so I'm going to change the date to match. --Mavmaramis 11:09, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

I guess you'd better undo your changes, since this edition is not that first publication, see above. Horzel 14:06, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Horzel. I'll change the date to 0000-00-00. It's pretty irritating (at least to me anyway) and before ISFDB came along I'd have been content to let the publication date stand as 1973. --Mavmaramis 17:55, 9 June 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I understand your irritation, of course there are things that I would have done differently if ISFDB were my personal brain child, and it's never fun to have to withdraw your changes, having spent time on some item with nothing to show for it. On the other hand, it is a very defensible policy that only data we can feel quite confident about should be in the database. Except for the Notes, there's some room for speculation. And once again, I'm really happy with your edits, which include quite a few changes I would have made if I had found the time. Horzel 19:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

(unindent) Thanks for your vote of confidence Horzel. I do bear in mind that a moderator has told me that the book trumps any information on the database particularly for unverified items. Someone once told me to "stop trying to organise chaos" and back in the days when I first started working with computers they were Olivetti's with CRT monitors that displayed everything with an orange colour there was a large notice stuck on the wall that read: A database is a collection of information some of which is always wrong. I've kind of gotten used to chaos now. --Mavmaramis 17:03, 10 June 2015 (UTC)


I approved your edit of Metamorfose, but changed the price symbol from 'fl' to 'ƒ'. Better to have one standard. Thanks, --Willem 13:52, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

De Diepte

I added the artist to this record De Diepte thank you for looking it up, added the website into notes. Wjmvanruth 14:51, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

Elmar SF updates

I started verifying and updating the Elmar SF series. You verified some of them. So far (#1-4) I only added coverscans and a few notes. --Willem 20:22, 24 August 2015 (UTC)

Fine with me. Go ahead. Horzel 07:41, 25 August 2015 (UTC)

Legends from the End of Time

It wouldn't have had that cover art when I verified it as ISFDB didn't have that function then. I may just scan my copy and replace it when I have time.

--Unapersson 08:40, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I didn't know that. Horzel 11:04, 13 September 2015 (UTC)

Content dates

You'll have to correct the dates of the interior art contents and introduction of this publication which post-date that of the publication. It appears you cloned a later published edition (September 1987), so those content title records will have to be corrected to February 1982. They'll have to be edited in separate submissions. Mhhutchins|talk 15:19, 26 September 2015 (UTC)

Done. Horzel 20:43, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Een Fakkel voor het Keizerrijk

I added to and adapted the notes for this verified pub. --Willem 20:38, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Een Gok om Drie Werelden

I added some notes to this verified pub. --Willem 21:16, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

(De) Rampplaneet

I added notes and a coverscan to this verified pub, and changed the title from 'De Rampplaneet' to 'Rampplaneet'. De Boekenplank has the wrong title. --Willem 10:18, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I should've noticed that. Horzel 12:16, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

Making pseudonyms

When you make one author into a pseudonym of another, you should follow-up by creating variants of the pseudonymous credited works. The system doesn't do this automatically. You don't have to wait until the submission creating the pseudonym is accepted. I've made variants for all of the titles under "J. Lombardero" and "John Lombardero". Mhhutchins|talk 22:20, 14 November 2015 (UTC)

You mean, by using "Make this title a variant title or pseudonymous work" link? Horzel 12:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)
Yes. You will use the bottom portion of the entry form. Replace the pseudonym with the canonical form of the author's name. Mhhutchins|talk 21:16, 15 November 2015 (UTC)


I added a note about the translation and a coverscan to this verified pub. --Willem 20:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Dubbelleven / De Weg naar het Oneindige

I added some notes to Dubbelleven, and notes plus scan to De Weg naar het Oneindige. --Willem 20:16, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

De Schitterende Phoenix

I added a coverscan to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem 21:06, 7 December 2015 (UTC)

Morgon van Hed trilogie

I added a few notes to these verified pubs: De Raadselmeester van Hed, Erfgenaam van Zee en Vuur and Harpspeler in de Wind. --Willem 20:11, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Parent title for Meisterwerke der Fantasy-Kunst

Hello, playing by the rules I will have to reject your submission, because most of the notes refer to a publication, while you try to create a new title. As I have it on hold, you may be able to rescue the valid notes, or withdraw your submission and start anew by adding a publication proper. Please tell me of how you'd like to proceed. Christian Stonecreek 20:53, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, I've rescued my notes, which were based on the French translation. I was not trying to create a parent title. I wanted to enter a translation of Meisterwerke by using Add a Variant Title. Or should I have used Clone This Publication? Submission cancelled, awaiting your answer. Horzel 23:33, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Making pseudonyms = creating variants (again)

As was brought to your attention earlier, after creating a pseudonym, all of the titles credited to that pseudonym must be varianted to records crediting the canonical form of the author/artist's name. With that in mind, please create variants for all of the titles credited to Ames. Otherwise, none of them will appear on summary page for Andrew M. Stephenson. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 19:11, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Done! Horzel 21:53, 29 March 2016 (UTC)


Hello, it seems that you 've twisted the author Nikolai Gogolj and his story De Wij in the anthology Dr. Jekyll en Mr. Hyde en andere beroemde gruwelverhalen. I turned it back. Rudolf Rudam 06:42, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Oops! Thanks for the correction. Horzel 12:07, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Varianting translated titles to the original titles

Please variant the contained titles in this publication when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 18:47, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

I was aware I still had some work to do on this one. I've submitted variants for the titles attributed to a pseudonym (I hope this will be automated some day, shouldn't be difficult). However, in some cases I'm not (yet) sure of the original title. In one case, the original title is listed as a novel, which I don't believe it is. Horzel 09:45, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
And then there's Het Spook van Canterville, which also has a 1980 dutch publication, with a note about the translator. I don't know the translator of the 1962 publication. I suppose that means I can't merge the two? Horzel 10:32, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
It depends on your decision. But if you merge the two you should add a note that it's unclear if the 1962 publication features actually the same translation as the later one.
And for the case of Jekyll & Hyde: at this length this most certainly is only an excerpt, so that it'd be better to cancel your submission and add (excerpt) to the title. Stonecreek 12:29, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
I just downloaded The Strange Case of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde from, and copied it into Microsoft Word. Guess what? About 26K words. It's a novella. Horzel 21:34, 4 April 2016 (UTC)
If you would like to update what appears to be over 100 publication records, please proceed. You'd have to 1) change the title records (original and variants) from NOVEL to SHORTFICTION with a novella length, 2) change every publication record from NOVEL to CHAPBOOK, and 3) add a CHAPBOOK content record to each publication. Mhhutchins|talk 02:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
No thanks :-) I guess I'll change my entry to NOVEL. Oh, somebody already did. It might be useful to note at Title level that this is actually a novella. Horzel 09:00, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Cover art credit

In this publication, there should be nine separate records for the cover art, not a single one which implies that it is one work created by nine artists. By creating nine cover art records, each can be varianted to the original title. Mhhutchins|talk 18:53, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. I've submitted a correction. Horzel 22:07, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Great Stories of Science Fiction

re: I added publication month (May) plus pub note citing Markwood 06:41, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Publisher question

You verified Sztuka Science Fiction Art with the publisher "Wydawnictwa ALFA / Agentur Luserke". Do you think this is the exact same publisher as Wydawnictwa "Alfa"? If so, please change your publication to match the commoner form... Thanks! --Vasha77 18:26, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

Wydawnictwa ALFA / Agentur Luserke is on the copyright page twice, once at the place where I expect the publisher's name to be, and once after the copyright sign. Agentur Luserke appears to be an artists' agency. "Wydawnictwa" means "publications", so maybe the publisher should be called ALFA? I'm in two minds about this. There is still a rule in ISFDB that publishers should not be regularized. Horzel 22:07, 6 November 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, according to this discussion from last August, nobody is really sure what to do! I guess you should leave your publisher like it is right now. Thanks for the clarification. --Vasha77 22:58, 6 November 2016 (UTC)

The Magical Paintings of Justin Todd

I added Mike Dempsey as co-author to The Magical Paintings of Justin Todd. Also added the introduction, interview and interior art. Can you agree? --Willem 12:25, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

Fine with me. In case you want to add contents, do look at my Flickr page. Horzel 09:22, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment

Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.

Firstly, there's Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural (verified copies: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:

Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? Vasha 15:17, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the Community Portal. --Vasha 01:04, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

Isle of the Dead

Replaced the Amazon cover art for Isle of the Dead with a scan of my copy, and added the Printing History and other prices. --AndyjMo 16:31, 30 June 2017 (EDT)

Death Angel's Shadow

Hello, I've changed the artist credit to canonical as is the rule when crediting from secondary source. Hauck 06:36, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

Does that make sense when the secondary source gives credit to Nick Fox ? Horzel 06:44, 18 July 2017 (EDT)
I'd say yes, we usually (IIRC) proceed this way when the secondary source gives something other than the canonical (it happens when the credits are simplified by the source e.g. it gives only the name of the artist). Hauck 06:47, 18 July 2017 (EDT)

The Stars in Shroud cover

Hi. Your submission that I have on hold is making this The Stars in Shroud cover a variant of a new, but identical title. I admit, I may be missing something, but I don't see it and was not able to guess what you may have intended. Would you take a look? Thanks, --MartyD 21:18, 27 July 2017 (EDT) Sorry! My intention was to variant it to Les astres morts, but I must have copied the wrong link and then I forgot to check my own work. Corrected now. Horzel 03:50, 28 July 2017 (EDT)

"Het Bewijs" by Maurice Level

This story is in a verified publication of yours and I'm changing it to non-genre bfast on having read it. --Vasha 20:19, 13 November 2017 (EST)

Mark Harrison's Dreamlands

Hello! What is the source of the date 1985 for the painting A Noose of Light? Is it the date of a first publication or the date the painting was made? Also the date for the The Brothel on Rosenstrasse is 1983 but the first publishing seems to be 1984. Can you resolve this? Rudolf Rudam 10:20, 5 December 2017 (EST)

In Dreamlands, paintings are for example tagged as '(Corgi 1983)', but then the first publication according to ISFDB is in 1984. So I'm not happy with this either. The question is now, shall I remove all of these publication dates of interior art, or only where the date conflicts with the various book publication dates? Horzel 09:45, 6 December 2017 (EST)
I've submitted modification of the publication dates of all interior art of Dreamlands to 1990-12-00, the date of its first printing. Horzel 03:51, 7 December 2017 (EST)
That's a good idea! I wanted to suggest it to you too! Rudolf Rudam 05:08, 7 December 2017 (EST)

Rendezvous with Rama


Why do you think that the hc and the pb here use different paintings? They look the same to me (besides different colors and focus (one is part of the other and enlarged) which makes them the same in the DB. Am I missing something? Thanks! Annie 17:15, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Hi, the cover art of the one is a repainting of the other. I think I read that first here. The clearest difference is that the paperback shows clouds outside of the disk, and the hardcover does not. I will admit the differences are rather minor. Horzel 15:38, 23 May 2018 (EDT)

Dutch Mechanismo

Hi, I've put your submission on hold, as the copyright notice for a year refers to the English edition. It'd seem that this is not a valid date for translations. Stonecreek 06:14, 8 June 2018 (EDT)

Feel free to remove the date, or I'll do it. Horzel 06:26, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
Done so. I see that the format is still missing for the book. Stonecreek 08:27, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
Corrected and varianted to the original. Horzel 14:44, 8 June 2018 (EDT)


Can you please upload a cover here and I can approve the variant. Alternatively if you do not have permission and/or scanner, add a note in the publication with a link to a cover. Thanks! Annie 21:31, 29 June 2018 (EDT)

Have scanned, cut, pasted, uploaded and added the cover, which is too big to fit completely on my A4 scanner. Since I PV'ed this dutch edition, you might have believed me that it was the same cover art :-) Horzel 08:50, 30 June 2018 (EDT)
And approved. It's not about trust - you will notice that when one of the involved titles is interior art, I trust you enough to just let it through. Consider that one of those "second set of eyes when possible" thingies - both for you and me - picking up the wrong ID happens and without both pictures, it may end up in the wrong place and finding it later is not that easy. So no blind varianting of covers unless there is a link to the cover of the one that does not have an image :) Annie 17:13, 30 June 2018 (EDT)

De tijdcapsule

Hi, See here for correction to De Tijdcapsule. Thanks! MagicUnk 15:05, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

De Silmarillion

Hello, could you verify in your pb copy of the Prisma pocket De Simarillion that the map of Beleriand is really on bep+fep - or rather on the unnumbered pages 422+423? Thanks! MagicUnk 14:39, 14 August 2018 (EDT)

The map of Beleriand is on unnumbered pages (422) and (423). Horzel 17:21, 22 August 2018 (EDT)
I've submitted update accordingly - actually, I've changed no of pages to 421+[2], and now the map appears on page [1]. Ok like that? MagicUnk 14:09, 23 August 2018 (EDT)
For readability, the notation [422] would look better to me than [1] for the map's location. But your proposed edit appears to be consistent with these rules. So go ahead. Horzel 15:17, 24 August 2018 (EDT)
I know. Not always clear whether it's an additional 2 pages, or an extension of the novel pages - here I'm inclined to go with the former, not the latter. Regards, MagicUnk 08:07, 26 August 2018 (EDT)

Tschai: De Waanzinnige Planeet

Hello, could you check whether your copy of Tschai has a printing history on its copyright page, and if it is the case, what the date of the 2nd printing is? (my fourth printing says Tweede druk juni 1976). Thanks! MagicUnk 08:00, 26 August 2018 (EDT)

My copy only mentions 'Eerste druk 1973' and 'Tweede druk 1976'. Horzel 17:46, 28 August 2018 (EDT)
The third printing states June 1976, the fifth states July 1976. Which do you prefer? (july seems more logical, since it comes from a later printing) --Willem 16:23, 8 September 2018 (EDT)
Agreed. I'll add a note to the 2nd printing too, if you don't mind. Thanks! --MagicUnk 08:51, 9 September 2018 (EDT)


Finally got round to scanning my large format art potfolios with my new rinky dink A3 scanner so have changed cover art of this for one from my own copy --Mavmaramis 03:10, 24 November 2018 (EST)


Re this

Could you explain the notes:

"signatures sewn in gatherings of 8s" and

"credits on [A2] verso"

I picked up a Faber hardbound copy of this today but mine is priced 18/- not 15/- dated 1958 and has brown boards/gold lettering.

Could you also state where the cover art credit came from as it isn't signed or credited --Mavmaramis 07:54, 27 April 2019 (EDT)

First of all, these are not my notes. I would guess the notes are quotes from Currey (see secondary verifications) or one of his kind, and possibly added by Bluesman.
"[A2] verso" must be printer lingo for "the part of the dust jacket that's folded around the front side of the hard cover" because that's where I find the text "Jacket design by Peter Curl". My copy has reddish brown boards with gold lettering and a price of "15s net". I don't have a clew what "signatures sewn in gatherings of 8s" means. Horzel 10:57, 3 May 2019 (EDT)
Thanks Horzel. Sorry if I was somewhat impatient. My copy does not have the cover art credit on either flap of dustwrapper. Boards are definately brown. Wonder if the higher price indicated an earlier or later edition ? I'll post a query about the notes on a board. Thanks for your input. It may be that I'll have to add a new entry for my edition. --Mavmaramis 13:21, 3 May 2019 (EDT)

Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan

I added some notes to your verified Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan. I also credited the INTERIORART to Gaughan. Bob 16:17, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

Thanks! Horzel 15:49, 27 May 2019 (EDT)

Fantasy Art Techniques

Please go and modify this publication so it matches yours. You wrote "Cover art looks exactly like from which I cloned this. My edition has a different painting at p71, Scarecrow Angel. There is already a publication at ISFDB with the same ISBN and a US price." Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:08, 27 June 2019 (EDT)

I've submitted the change.Horzel 16:21, 28 June 2019 (EDT)

Dr. Jekyll en Mr. Hyde en andere beroemde gruwelverhalen

Can you check this verified pub? According to Fandata the stories were translated by Tim Maran, but there's no note about the translation. Thanks, --Willem 07:34, 11 September 2019 (EDT)

Title page states "bewerkt en verzameld door Tim Maran", that is, edited and compiled by Tim Maran. One may suppose that implies "translated by Tim Maran", but that's not stated explicitly so. Horzel 04:57, 12 September 2019 (EDT)
I think for this publisher "bewerkt" means adapted, not edited ("verzameld" is i.m.o. used meaning edited). The same words are used in other publications in the Flamingo-reeks. Shall I enter Tim Maran as translator, of would you rather have uncredited? Thanks, --Willem 14:49, 13 September 2019 (EDT)
You're right, I shouldn't have used the word "edited" since it's got multiple interpretations. It's unlikely that Tim Maran collected the stories in English, then had them translated by someone else, and then adapted them (perhaps to shorten them?). Do whatever you think best. I'm having trouble to translate my thoughts about this into English. Horzel 08:15, 14 September 2019 (EDT)
Thank you. I'll just credit Maran for the translation, like I did for the other Flamingo anthology. --Willem 14:16, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

Starmont Reader's Guides

I'm trying to find out how the cover illustrations were credited in the early Starmont reader's guides. In most of the guides I own the credit is as 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Jr.'. You verified Robert Silverberg(#18). Was the 'Sr. and Jr.' dropped for this one? Thanks, --Willem 14:14, 13 October 2019 (EDT)

My Starmont Reader's Guides for Robert Silverberg and J.G. Ballard state "cover design by Stephen E. Fabian" on the copyright page, while the SRG for Fritz Leiber states "cover by Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Jr." Horzel 07:30, 18 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for checking. I credited Fritz Leiber to both Fabians, and added a note to the pub series. --Willem 14:31, 19 October 2019 (EDT)

In Search of Forever

I have added two content records to your verified pub here for images that have been used for covers. ../Doug H 16:48, 4 December 2019 (EST)

Job, of de Schoonheid van het Geduld


I approved the creation of [Job, of de Schoonheid van het Geduld this variant]. However, keep in mind that we have a nightly cleanup report for pub-less titles and if this title does not get a book added to it before it runs at 1 am Eastern US time (and before someone goes through the report), it will get deleted and you will need to redo it. It is a lot safer to just add the new novel and then create the variant :) Annie 11:47, 6 December 2019 (EST)

Thanks. That does not surprise me. And I see the cover has been varianted already too. Quick work there. Horzel 17:32, 6 December 2019 (EST)
We try to clean up sooner than later - or things pile up and take days (and months) to be cleaned. I saw the book coming through so we are all set I think. :) Annie 17:34, 6 December 2019 (EST)

Cover variant

Hello! I hold your submission. Are you sure the cover of Die tausend Augen des Krado 1 is a variant of The Jester at Scar? Rudolf Rudam 11:16, 30 December 2019 (EST)

The cover is on the other side of the Ace double. See here. --Willem 15:59, 30 December 2019 (EST)

Between Planets cover art notes

Hello. I was wondering if there's a particular reason you didn't add the additional information on the cover art credit you provided in the Note to Moderator field into the publication's Note field? See your submission here and how I copied over the information you provided into the notes here. Thanks! - MagicUnk 12:48, 4 February 2020 (EST)

The "composite cover" idea is in my opinion just a conjecture. These things have happened (for example here), but in this case there is no proof. I agree I could have added the Pennington attribution to the notes. Horzel 17:44, 4 February 2020 (EST)
I understand. Nevertheless, adding it to the notes clearly stating that it is not a fact, does serve as a possible explanation as to why sources disagree to the cursory browser of our database. Thanks! MagicUnk 01:44, 5 February 2020 (EST)


Why "Ghostwriter (original cover art)" and not "The Ghost Writer (original cover art)"? Is it named in the book? PS: Apparently the original art note was added in 2010: see here. Annie 11:04, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

Yes, it's named "Ghostwriter" in Ultraterranium. Horzel 04:36, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
Approved (and no changes needed then). Annie 04:52, 10 April 2020 (EDT)

Jules Verne translations

I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the Jules Verne Translations wiki. Thank you. ../Doug H 14:23, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Done. Horzel 17:47, 11 May 2020 (EDT)
My thanks. I've updated the title record to keep a copy of the text in the database. ../Doug H 13:53, 12 May 2020 (EDT)

Night of the Black Horror

The artist here is already H. Fox as you can see here. However, we seem to have a bigger issue. Are you saying that Henry Fox and H. Fox are the same person or at least that some of the works on both sides belong to the same person? Because they both are canonical names - someone connected two of their titles but they are independent at the moment, each with their set of titles. From a quick look, we may be dealing with two or three different artists - one from the 40s (Matt Fox and Fox), our guy from the 60s and a third one from 2009 (unless we can connect these).

I will do some work on that whole mess and will post back when I am done. Annie 21:20, 2 June 2020 (EDT)

One more thing - we are in the process of migrating all notes from the Wiki to the database due to the difference of archiving and other operational matters (we had been in the process for years but one of those days we will be done). I saw you added some notes to one of those guys - these need to be moved. I will move them as well and please - update the author notes in the DB and not the Wiki when you discover information about the authors.
There was quite a lot of wrong direction variants and weirdly connected names here...
OK so now we have:
  • Henry Fox as the pseudonym of H. Fox in the few places where the full name was used.
  • H. Fox which is our main author anyway, now with all data attached to it.
  • Fox - a 2009 artist whose signature we have on file and is not either Matt or Henry.
  • Fox (I) - a 1940s illustrator who based on the notes in the publications is Matt Fox so he was connected there.
Did I miss anything? I will clean the Wiki later. Annie 21:45, 2 June 2020 (EDT)
Thanks! It all looks good to me now. I intended to update the author notes too. And I updated the wiki when I saw that a note there referred to the wrong Fox, because at one time Nick Fox (1980s UK artist pseudonym of Nick Bantock) was also part of the tangle. I think it's his signature you're referring to. Horzel 08:28, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
Ha, so it is not the 2009 Fox signature? I will do more cleanup on those notes then. No worries for the wiki - I was just warning you that we are migrating out :) Annie 17:02, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

Roy Virgo

Was L'épaisse fourrure des quadricornes on Hauck's talk page.

Could you also ask about Programmation impossible, Le mutant d'Hiroshima, La Porte des Enfers, and Le Sérum de Survie (Fleuve Noir Perry Rhodan, this edition not in ? Horzel 11:38, 27 May 2020 (EDT)

I'll make enquiries for the three you linked but since Le Sérum de Survie isn't in ISFDB and unless you can point me to the cover art I can't do that one. --Mavmaramis 00:48, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
Thanks! Here's a scan on Horzel 07:30, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
I wanted to update you. Roy is on Facebook but there's no way I can post the cover scans directly to him for confirmation. For the Perry Rhodan Le Sérum de Survie you linked I'd say definately Virgo given the writing on the spaceship is the same style as that used on Caldwell's Space Patrol I'd be minded to say all of them are by Virgo rather than Bob Layzell (which is presumably what you were thinking), I can't really do much more I'm afraid. --Mavmaramis 13:38, 10 July 2020 (EDT)

The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 19th Series

This book has the sae uncredited artwork as this publication. Unfortunatelt the artwork has been cropped on the latter so whetever mystery signiature is on the former publication has been excised on the later. It's a real shame that identiclal unattributed artworks on different books cant be linked. --Mavmaramis 13:33, 10 July 2020 (EDT)

I agree about that last statement. The Sky Is Falling, Born Under Mars and The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 19th Series (all Ace 1973) have the same not quite readable signature, something like 'PDRICK'. But alas, even on the large original of The Sky Is Falling at I can't completely read the signature.
Based on style, Envoy to New Worlds, Perry Rhodan #43, PR #44 and PR #48 might be painted by the same artist. Horzel 16:02, 10 July 2020 (EDT)
I don't own any of those books. If one could scan the signiature at high resolution one might be able to determine more. Looks like you don't have copies of them either so we're stuck. --Mavmaramis 17:26, 10 July 2020 (EDT)
Sign in at and look here, and use the magnifying glass. Still, this signature seems to separate the letters better. And the weird guy bottom right on Best of F&SF looks familiar somehow. And why do I keep thinking of J H Bruck? Horzel 18:45, 10 July 2020 (EDT)
I can see why you think Johnny Bruck. Sadly a paperback copy of that would be £130 and those images are probably unlikely to be in a Perry Rhodan based art portfolio even if they were by him. --Mavmaramis 22:35, 10 July 2020 (EDT)

Fantasy Art (Masters)

I've added cover art to Fantasy Art Susan O'Fearna 17:05, 25 August 2020 (EDT)

Immortals of Science Fiction

Cover art for this is credited to Tony Roberts on page 5 of Heroic Dreams --Mavmaramis 11:38, 16 January 2021 (EST)

author of 'Ticking His Life Away' in 'Tomorrow's Universe' paperback

Hello. Your verified says the story 'Ticking His Life Away' is 'as by Thelma D. Hamm'. I believe that might be incorrect. I've verified the hardcover and in that edition the story is credited to "T. D. Hamm'. Is the paperback really different? Thanks in advance for checking. Markwood 09:51, 29 May 2021 (EDT)

The paperback also credits the story to T. D. Hamm. No idea where 'Thelma' came from. I've submitted a correction. Horzel 10:53, 29 May 2021 (EDT)


I accepted this submission, but changed the covert credit to "Lynch (in error)" and set up an alternate name to Koslow. We credit per the publication. We don't use secondary source to overwrite publication credits. Instead we add " (in error)" to the name and treat it as an alternate name. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:25, 31 July 2021 (EDT)

The Art of Dragon Magazine

Hi Horzel

You have a transient verification on The Art of Dragon Magazine. We currently have the author as "Jean F. Blashfield". However, both Reginald3 and Worldcat have the author without the middle initial as "Jean Blashfield". Further, Worldcat indicates there is an introduction by Roger E. Moore. As your verification is transient, I would expect that you no longer have access to the book. Would you have any objection if I were to change the author credit and add the missing introduction? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:29, 26 September 2021 (EDT)

I think I'm going to go ahead and make the change for the author name. I'm adding additional titles without the initial, and it looks like she is most frequently credited that way. If you disagree, we can adjust this title. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:41, 26 September 2021 (EDT)

The Guide to Fantasy Art Techniques

About this one. Anything in there about number of printing and so on? Also - when adding contents, keep in mind that we have the 1984 book as well so if this is a reprint of it, it may be useful to add the contents there first (or we will need to redate later) Annie 17:30, 29 September 2021 (EDT)

Also - did you mean to add 3 covers (or did you mean one cover with 3 artists)? Annie 17:31, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
Just "Reprinted 1987" on the copyright page. About adding contents: Fine with me, I'm willing to believe contents are the same as in the 1984 edition, can add note there. And there are three pieces of art (and one photo) on the front cover, so I'm following this suggestion. Horzel 17:55, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
Add "Reprinted 1987" to the notes of your edition so it is clear where the date comes from and that it is indeed a reprint. :) Three pieces of art, 3 cover images - that explains that. I was making sure :)
For the contents: What I do usually if I am relatively sure that it is a true reprint is to add to the first, with a note that the contents are added based on the 1987 reprint. Then import into the 1987. That way do you need to monkey with dates and so on. And if someone finds the 1984 book one day and there are differences, they can fix and note them. As long as the source is clear, we are good. Hope that makes sense. :) Annie 18:02, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
And finally, the author should be Chris Evans (II), see But then, most of Chris Evans should be the Welsh one, or maybe even this one. Horzel 18:06, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
Be my guest on fixing that and figuring out who is who. Some of our split authors have this kinds of wrong attributions :) Let me know if you need assistance. Annie 18:19, 29 September 2021 (EDT)

Changing authors on titles


When you change the author on a title, you must also change it on all publications associated with it. So when you changed the authors here from Chris Evans to Chris Evans (II), all the 7 publications should have been changed as well (and the reviews if they were carrying the Evans name and technically the award as well but it is trickier there). So let's start with the publications. Let me know if you want me to do it or if you would like to complete the work. Thanks! Annie 15:42, 5 October 2021 (EDT)

Same for this one and this one. Annie 15:44, 5 October 2021 (EDT)
Changes to 7+3+3 publications have been submitted. I'm happy that I can't prove that all those reviews in Vector are by Chis Evans (II). Horzel 16:23, 6 October 2021 (EDT)
Not the reviews by Evans, the reviews of Evans's books - the ones we list at the bottom of the title, the ones that get linked to the books. These also need fixing if you change the title author because of something like that (as this (II) is for differentiation, you want all attached titles to come with you. The ones under Lightship have only Burns as an author (we go by what the pub that have it unless we need to differentiate as we do here) so no changes needed but this one has Evans as well so it needs change. And so does this one. Then there are the awards - but it is a bit trickier there without deleting and recreating an award so I will let that fall to the cleanup report.
Let me know if you have any questions/concerns or if you want me to just change the two reviews and leave you alone ;) Annie 16:32, 6 October 2021 (EDT)
I've submitted modifications (title & publ) for those 2 reviews. I'll leave the awards to you. Horzel 04:48, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
The reason we needed the publications updated on the initial ones was because the title that got changed was the reference title. For these 2, they are just contents - so just fixing the title is enough. Annie 12:45, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
And then there are the introductions (see Chris Evans). The introduction to Other Edens II is actually underwritten 'Chris Evans and Rob Holdstock' while the publication has their full names ... Should ISFDB reflect this? I think I've had enough for now. Horzel 05:06, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
They should be credited as they are used inside of the book. If they are not explicitly credited and the credit comes from the book itself, then they should match. And yes - these introductions need to be fixed - they are from the wrong Evans now. Will they need to be the full name or the II, it will leave to you. Annie 12:45, 8 October 2021 (EDT)

The Brain Child

About this one. So... would you like to add that issue of Saturday Evening Post so we have the complete record and we can sort out the dates? :) Annie 18:45, 8 October 2021 (EDT)

The Invisible Boy is listed at (not a permanent link). As long as I don't have confirmation that it's the same as The Brain Child, I won't variant one to the other. Then again, "The Invisible Boy" in John Bull, November 17, 1956 starts "As a fond father, Doctor Thomas Merrinoe fell somewhat short of the conventional standard." I don't own any Edmund Cooper story collection, so I can't compare. Horzel 07:02, 15 October 2021 (EDT)

De vlucht van Icarus

Hello, I tried to find a cover image of Your pv pub. So I found two different ones here and here. Could You tell me, which one is the right? The one including this little male or without? It would be great if You'd upload a scan by Yourself or give me a hint. Thank You. --Zapp 13:47, 11 October 2021 (EDT)

It's the one with the little male. I've submitted a cover photo. Horzel 06:42, 15 October 2021 (EDT)
Thanks. --Zapp 13:57, 15 October 2021 (EDT)

Hall Cover; Cover artist of: IS H. Tom Hall. I saw an eBay copy of this 4th printing with many photos and there doesn't seem to be a credit for the artist in the book itself. --Username 23:51, 17 January 2022 (EST)

Thanks for the link! Horzel 16:46, 18 January 2022 (EST)

Verhalen uit het schemerdonker cover

I've added the cover to the 1988 Verhalen uit het schemerdonker. MOHearn 13:37, 10 March 2022 (EST)

Thanks! Horzel 03:57, 11 March 2022 (EST)

Great Masters of Fantasy Art

Illustration on page 43 of this is credited to Rick Courtney not Richard Courtney (ableit they are the same person). Same image as this and this. --Mavmaramis 12:39, 18 May 2022 (EDT)

De beste SF van het jaar

Yes, I know. I've submitted a 13 story collection with all authors and titles switched. By the time I discovered this, I could not go back to the submission page... Any way to correct this without entering *everything* again? Horzel 06:05, 10 June 2022 (EDT)

Never mind, I've copied and pasted a new submission. Horzel 09:29, 10 June 2022 (EDT)

Picture Maker

This page,, shows the Meltzoff book you entered, so I entered the price and front/back cover credits (by Meltzoff), but there's a 2019 copyright on the flap and the blogger says March 2019, so if you can you might want to amend the date if you can verify it. --Username 19:17, 28 August 2022 (EDT)

Lendemains incertains

When adding a note on the match of covers such as here, add some more details to qualify the edition - books can be deleted, DB issues can happen so if that link goes dead, it will be hard to find the exact edition. Adding the year and the publisher helps in such cases :) See how I did it in this one. Thanks for finding the match! Annie (talk) 17:52, 21 December 2022 (EST)

OK. Horzel (talk) 04:04, 23 December 2022 (EST)

Ed Landlof cover for Exeunt Murderers: The Best Mystery Stories of Anthony Boucher

Hi, not sure if you're still around, but a question if you are: you've PVed this, with the cover being the sole credit to Ed Landlof. I see there's also a record for Ed Lindlof, who is/was also a cover artist active in the 1980s. Any chance the former might be a typo? Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 07:56, 19 May 2023 (EDT); I think it's a typo. --Username (talk) 08:36, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
Thanks, looks that way, but I'll give Horzel a few days to feed back any comments before fixing things. ErsatzCulture (talk) 14:56, 19 May 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for catching my error. It is Ed Lindlof. Horzel (talk) 18:14, 23 May 2023 (EDT)
Thanks, the credit has now been fixed. ErsatzCulture (talk) 18:38, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

Owls' Watch; I've fixed/added stuff. Also, after my edit is approved, Dunsany is in the contents here twice so you should remove the one with the wrong title + some of the names in the book are different than what's on ISFDB so those may need changing. --Username (talk) 19:09, 16 June 2023 (EDT)

You're right, Pages should be 238, which makes the last story a novelette. Dunsany story is titled "The Two Bottles of Relish". Horzel (talk) 17:53, 18 June 2023 (EDT)

Rare Breed; I added a link in a PENDING edit to a recently uploaded archived copy and also entered the afterword by the author on p. 176. --Username (talk) 11:02, 30 September 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. Horzel (talk) 15:12, 26 October 2023 (EDT)

R. D. Laing Epigraph

Hello Horzel, I'm drawing your attention to this title. There may be a translation in this publication if you'd like to check and add it if it's there. Btw, I've submitted date change 2010-11-11 to 1975-02-00, and modified the note in the title record. I've left the same note on Chavey's page. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:57, 8 October 2023 (EDT)

Yes, it's there, a one page quote or whatever by R. D. Laing. Why is an epigraph, like a prologue, at the beginning of a document while an epilogue is at the end? Horzel (talk) 15:04, 26 October 2023 (EDT)

Digit's A Town Is Drowning; I replaced your cover. You can remove your note about blue coloring now if you want to. --Username (talk) 21:51, 25 October 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. Done. Horzel (talk) 14:54, 26 October 2023 (EDT)

Death of Grass; While adding FantLab ID in a PENDING edit I expanded note to say where cover artist's name appears on the cover and added a note about him being credited on front flap. --Username (talk) 13:44, 29 October 2023 (EDT)