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== Post-submission pages for Edit Publication submissions updated ==

All "Modified Content" tables displayed on EditPub post-submission pages have been updated. Table cells which used to say "Current" now display a link to the Title ID about to be modified. Multiple yellow warnings are now displayed correctly and include the names of new/alternate name/disambiguated authors.

This pretty much completes the cleanup of post-submission pages. As always, if you come across errors or anything unexpected, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:30, 30 March 2023 (EDT)

: The software has been tweaked to display a yellow warning if a non-existing series, publication series or publisher matches a disambiguated record of the same type. For example, this yellow warning will be displayed if a submission uses "The Rules" in the "Series" field because we already have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?62626 The Rules (F. T. Lukens)] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55408 The Rules (Aaron Oster)] on file. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:26, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5590099; I was going to cancel this since nobody came to an agreement about what the publisher should be but when I looked at it I realized the note makes no sense because it describes a 1977 date for this 1983 book, also edit history's 2014 entry is offset from the rest so there seems to be a problem there, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:36, 1 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?33870; I made some edits, still pending, adding March to the title date, correcting the title to "The Resurrected Holmes" since whoever entered info here went by the cover title and not the title page plus I imported the "Giant Rat" story in the HC into the TP. The contents are on OL and there's an Archive.org copy of the TP; if anyone knows which of the contents are genre or were written by authors above-the-threshold they may want to flesh the records out, but be aware that 1 story, R. Lupoff's "The Adventure of the Boulevard Assassin", was reprinted in his collection Claremont Tales II as "The Adventures of the Boulevard Assassin" so a variant will be needed; unlike the few other non-genre stories in that collection nobody entered a note saying where it originally came from even though it says so on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:25, 1 April 2023 (EDT)

== Introduction Title Question ==

An editor submitted [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5626362 this edit] changing the titles of the two introductions in {{P|602865|this publication}}.  For each introduction, there is the word Introduction in a large font over an author credit (e.g. "by China Miéville") in a significantly smaller font.  Each essay is also signed with the author's name at the end of the text.  I had originally considered the byline to be a simple author credit and thus titled each essay simply "Introduction (The Left Hand of Darkness)".  However, the signature at the end gives me pause.  I think I still agree with my original title, but I see how it could be interpreted differently.  Also if we include the byline as part of the title, should we still disambiguate.  What do other folks think?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]^{[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]} 08:00, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

: I consider the byline to be just an author credit as well. We already have the author in the author field, adding “by author” to the title feels like an overkill. If we decide to keep it in the title, it still needs disambiguation IMO - it is as generic as Introduction on the author’s page after all. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:37, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

::If I may explain how I arrived at the proposed titles. Usually there is only one novel introduction and where that is the case, it is simply titled "Introduction" and may or may not be signed. Here, we have two introductions (the Miéville one being added for this Masterworks II edition). To make it clear to readers whose introduction each is, the publishers have extended the title to include the author's name (probably for the first time) and, for our purposes, have created a variant title. In the notes I have tried to make it clear that the title is as it appears above the work (as the titling rules require) and not just a whim on my part. That we also have the author in the author field I consider as just a system function. I added the disambiguation for the purposes of the author's page, as noted above. Hope that helps. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 15:16, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

::: I still do not think we should add it as part of the title - we never add the author name to the title unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation for me. I understand how you came up with the titles but I just do not think that we should be doing that. Two introductions or an introduction and a foreword are essentially the same thing from our perspective - but you are proposing we handle one of these differently from the other because they happen to both be called introductions. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:55, 3 April 2023 (EDT)

:::::Thanks for those answers, but I'm left unclear as to what you mean by "unless it is incorporated cleanly and a byline is not an incorporation". I think I get the meaning but can you expand on that a little. Does it follow that if the author's name appears above the essay it should always be treated as a byline and therefore ignored? Thanks, Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 22:23, 3 April 2023 (EDT)

:::::: Unless it is part of the title organically, the author name does not get added to the title regardless of where it is on the page - below, above, in between the two lines of a title, led or not led by “by”. Otherwise as most title pages out there have the author name, one can take your argument to the extreme and make a case that we always add the author name to the title of stories, books, essays and so on because it is on the page after all; your case is not different from that really even if you are restricting it to a limited usecase in your mind - there is no reason to mad an exception here. So “Isaac Asimov Presents” keeps the name as part of the title because it cannot be separated. Or “Neil Gaiman Talks About Things”.  Similarly to how we do not keep a series title inside of a title for example. We are not ignoring it - we just have a different place for it in our record so we use that. Just like we do with series names.  [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 00:26, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

:::::::Thanks for taking the time to explain that clearly. As I couldn't find anything in the help pages, it's been nagging at me :) Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 19:46, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

== F. Cantor ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?26927; People here have been working on Silverberg's anthology Mirror of Infinity, cover artist Fred(erick) Cantor only has credits for that and The Exorcist, cover image of which has been used countless times on later editions, but he also has 1 interior credit for a cover of John Farris novel All Heads Turn... but there's no cover credit on any edition on ISFDB. So which cover did he do? Also, there's 1 credit here for Frederik Cantor for a reprint edition of Exorcist that he didn't do the cover for, it being just an image from the film, so that is something to look into, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:04, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

https://archive.org/details/conan00howa; https://archive.org/details/conan0000unse; One very old Archive.org upload, one fairly new, I'm not sure about the Ace edition because there's no updated date on the copyright page, whether it's the '77 or '79 (with illustrations) edition, neither is PV so if anyone wants to do something with them, also that British edition's notes are unclear, long-gone PV says reprinted 1977 but wrote reprint line from copyright page below that so I don't know if they had an edition that actually said 1977 because the Archive.org copy doesn't, I don't know the history of these endless Conan reprints at all but I know others here do so they may want to do something with this, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:38, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?8790; I just made an edit adding link to copy of Vampirium, one of those Lone Wolf game books, and the cover artist, Brian Williams, was also the interior artist but that wasn't entered so I did it. Now the problem is he died in 2010 but there are multiple entries on ISFDB after that date; I believe this guy, https://fantlab.ru/autor13980, wrote those series novels while the deceased was the artist, but the problem with that is the last 3 interior art credits are for books written by the novelist, implying that he illustrated some of his own books. Then there's the question of which Williams wrote the 2 70's letters and the 5 short stories spanning early 80's to 2013. Who knows which one did those 3 computer magazine stories but "Tie Your Own Rope" was done for a White Wolf anthology, a well-known gaming company, so maybe the artist wrote a story now and then, but then the last story was written for a disturbing sex anthology that I remember writing about on these boards once before, and I can't picture either one of these Williams writing a story for that, especially since the artist died a few years before it was published, so that's possibly a third Williams. There's also the fact that while the first 4 cover credits are gaming-related as is Vampirium, 2 others are for gay-themed anthologies and the last is for an obscure American horror magazine. Note also another Brian Williams, a comic artist, is on ISFDB being interviewed (possibly the same guy as the above artist except the interview is dated more than 6 months after he died; different guy or long lag time before publication?) and there's another Williams who wrote a dragon fantasy novel in 2018 from a UK self-publisher so not likely to be by the above novelist whose books are from major publishers. So untangling is needed if anyone is interested. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5627339; This one was missing both cover artist and interior artist so whenever the artist is separated into his own record I have a feeling there'll be a lot more books than the 2 I edited that are missing his credits here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:29, 2 April 2023 (EDT)

== Lost story, no title, no author, only rough memories of the plot ==

This is set WAY WAY WAY far in the future. The location of Earth has been lost in time. Horses and dogs are coequals with humans in society. A horse approaches a young and wealthy woman and offers her something amazing if she'll help him find and restore old Earth. To cut it short, he lets her have a horseback ride. She falls in love with it, and becomes INSANELY wealthy, sends out scout ships, finds Earth, terraforms it, and hands it over to the non-human members of society. The horse gives her another ride and they all live happily ever after.

Sorry to not be more eloquent. I just finished a 12 hour shift at the ambulance company's dispatch center where I work.

Sak1776 <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Sak1776|Sak1776]] ([[User talk:Sak1776|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Sak1776|contribs]]) .</small> 20:39, 2 April 2023‎ (EDT)

:If no one can answer your question here, we have a few other sites that can help listed at [[ISFDB:FAQ#I need help finding a book]]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:00, 3 April 2023 (EDT)

:I checked around with a few people and they suggested it was "[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?63400 Dreams Done Green]" by Alan Dean Foster. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:25, 3 April 2023 (EDT)

::Yes this is definitely "Dream Done Dream" by Foster.[[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 23:14, 3 April 2023 (EDT)

== Nordon ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=leisure+b&type=Publisher; Many of the books on ISFDB as by Leisure Books are actually by Leisure Books / Dorchester Publishing so when I come across them I fix them, but for some reason 5 books on ISFDB are under the Nordon name. The problem with that is all the early Leisure books before they hooked up with Dorchester in the mid-80's say published by Nordon on the copyright page (93 of them were found by doing a text search on Archive.org); the Dorchester name is used here to differ the later books from the earlier ones so there's no need to do that for the early books. Would there be any objection to me changing those 5 to just Leisure Books so they merge with all the hundreds of other books by that publisher here? Only 1 of the Nordon books is PV (by MLB). --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:30, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

== Wasteworld ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?19205; 4th one's a chapbook but 1st one has same page count so shouldn't it be so, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:11, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?34362 This publication] has a note regarding the cover art followed by a link. The flickr page being directed to no longer exists--in such a case can I simply remove the note or is it customary to notify a PVer? I do not know which one had left the note. Thanks.  [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 22:18, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

:It's Mavmaramis's link - I've notified him. Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 23:22, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

:::https://www.flickr.com/photos/markfullerdillon/52607643318; Is that what you're looking for? Also, if you replace old link can you also correct the 2 misspelled words in the note? I've done so for many of this editor's notes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:11, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

:::: Thanks to all. I've made the corrections & submitted. [[User:Zybahn|Zybahn]] ([[User talk:Zybahn|talk]]) 21:55, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?8169; A copy of the rare American edition was just uploaded so I added a link and a bunch of other stuff, including correcting the month which was off by a couple of months, but the 2 even rarer British editions seem to have disappeared almost entirely, with no eBay copies I can see or any online scans of anything besides the cover. The one review I could find, https://criminolly.com/2021/10/27/throat-sprockets-review/, has a different page count than either edition and a month that neither have. So if anyone owns a copy or can actually do better than me and find online info it would help. Poor Mr. Lucas lost his wife recently so it would be nice to flesh out and correct his info here. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:02, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

== Leviathan Awakes (excerpt) (sic) by James S. A. Correy (sic) ==

I stumbled across [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2231009 this] by chance the other day, with both [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1272911 the title] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?155601 author name] incorrect.  It's strikes me that 2 errors is perhaps more likely to be down to data entry here than mistakes by the publisher, but it's from [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?345034 a 2011 pub] transient verified by an editor who has not been active for several years.  Any thoughts on whether the appropriate varianting and note-adding is the best course of action, or instead to correct the title and editor fields?

FWIW, some cursory Googling threw up [https://isulibrary.isunet.edu/index.php?lvl=notice_display&id=8781 a library entry] that indicates the correct title and author name was used. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 09:15, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

:https://openlibrary.org/books/OL25033756M/Degrees_of_freedom; One of those OL-only non-preview things; search inside says Leviathan Wakes by James S. A. Corey. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

== E. Borgese ==

:::::There are two issues that you are talking about.  First, you submitted an edit to add a new publication, but you submitted incorrectly.  I don't think your edit could be unrejcted even if all instances of "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" were changed to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" (i.e. the two authors are merged). Even that is impossible because there are publications where the author is credited as "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" (e.g. [https://archive.org/details/Fantasy_Science_Fiction_v017n01_1959-07_PDF/page/n67/mode/2up here]).  Regardless, there is nothing that can be done to change the author's name in your rejected edit that you submitted as Elizabeth.  Even if "Elizabeth Mann Borgese" was deleted from the database, your edit would re-add the name as a new author were it approved.  I've mentioned above the best way to proceed.  I noticed that you did not include the content in your rejected edit.  The content from the other record cannot currently be imported because the title records have the incorrect name.  There are two ways to bring these records into shape.

:::::The second issue is what name needs to be canonical for this author.  Absent evidence to the contrary, I would assume that all other publications are correctly credited.  That leaves us with 6 titles in 13 publications credited to Elizabeth.  There are 10 titles appearing in 3 publications as Elisabeth.  I'm not counting translations which are all variants anyway.  You could argue that the canonical name be changed to Elisabeth, but I'd recommend proposing that in a separate thread.  Also, would you be volunteering to do this work (it's many edits)?  You would need to move all the author data from the current canonical record to the new one; Break all of the parent child author name relationships;  Make all new alternate names variants of the new canonical name;  Merge any titles with the new canonical name where the former parent name appeared in no publications, deleting the parent title relationship;  Change the author credit of any titles with the former canonical name that appear in no publications to the new canonical name. Break any remaining parent child story relationships; Make any remaining titles by alternate name variants of the new canonical name.  If you don't want change the canonical name and can't find someone else to do it, or the community decides to keep it as Elizabeth, you'll need to finish the above edits by making the new Elisabeth titles into variants of Elizabeth.  Again, I hope this helps. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]^{[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]} 19:09, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

:::::::I'm not going to contact another editor on your behalf.  Chris J's talk page is [[User talk:Chris J|here]].  However, there is no point in contacting Chris.  None of the edits in the history added the content to the record.  Even if we could determine who added the records incorrectly, what would be the point of contacting that person?  They could have been working from a secondary source that was incorrect, but in the end, it doesn't matter.  You've discovered an error in a record and you've fixed only part of that error.  That's good, but the job isn't finished.  The bare minimum to fix this record is:

:::::::# Go to the {{P|547020|publication record}} and use the Edit This Pub tool to edit the record.  For each story where the edit fields are not disabled, change the author's name to "Elisabeth Mann Borgese". For all other stories, add "delete" to the page number, use the add title button to add a new row and copy the title of each story to the new title field, enter "Elisabeth Mann Borgese" as the author for the new author field.  You can enter this edit at the same time as the one above.

:::::::Making variants when an alternate name is used is not something that is optional or done only when people like to.  It's a data integrity issue that needs to be resolved. As it stands, this record will show up on several cleanup reports until it is fixed.  Also, there is no problem in searching by an alternate name.  If set up correctly, each alternate name has a link to the canonical name, as does all 4 of Ms. Mann Borgese's alternate names.  By the way, when you being one of these multi-step edits, it is generally a good idea to let the moderator know that you intend the next steps by adding it to the moderator note.  I've tried to give you complete instructions, but if you have any questions when attempting this, please reach out either here or on the [[ISFDB:Help desk|Help desk]].  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]^{[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]} 21:31, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

: Yes, the 3rd - the lowest number on the list gives you the current printing (with a special note for some number lines that contain a year as well as a printing number). That specific configuration of numbers is a pretty common one. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:48, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

::OK. I asked because of this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5625372, where either I goofed or there was some hiccup when I entered it, so I made a new edit with the right cover, but the 2002 edition on Archive.org matches the ISFDB note which says "third printing" yet the mod who rejected this said 4th printing, which I had a feeling was wrong. I'll now add a link in that record. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:53, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1518099; I recently added the 2014 TP and a link to the Archive.org copy which was recently uploaded; why page count is different between all 3 editions is unknown, someone entered them for the HC and they seem accurate, final essay starting on p. 249 and page count being 254, while TP is 20 pages longer but doesn't seem to have any extra material, but more importantly is while importing HC contents into TP and adding page numbers I now notice that the foreword, which is actually titled Forward in the book, is by Janis McKay, who is actually Janis Mackay per signature, an author with several credits on ISFDB, while the intro is actually by Herbertson. So if anyone can get a hold of the original HC edition and verify it's the same then those can be corrected. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:30, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

== Magnus Fin ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?30867; Print editions are all same price, one says TP, one PB, and one "unknown", in case anyone knows which they should all really be. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:33, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

: They are all the standard B format in UK (a few mm under 20 cm) - which is a tp in our DB. I've fixed the 2 that were added in error. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 19:51, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

== Tenth Time (A)round ==

::https://archive.org/search?query=%22venture+british+ed%22&sort=-addeddate; I think these are all the issues available, in case anything else needs fixing. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:54, 8 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?17626; I've been trying to fix publisher Leisure as many of their old books here as by Leisure Books were wrongly entered here with Dorchester in the publisher; with this book I have a vague memory of working on it last year, trying to get all the cover images to match price/ID entered here, and after adding an Archive.org link to the 3rd one I noticed the 1st one, entered by ChrisJ in 2014, is the same as the 3rd one (which I entered last year) except he used the original edition's 1983 date instead of the reprint's 8/89 date which is on the copyright page, so I think the 1st one can be deleted. The 2nd one has a broken image and a Not Found message when it's clicked; I see that I made an edit some time ago for that, too, but obviously if the image was broken back then it would have been noticed. So does anyone have any ideas about that? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:58, 5 April 2023 (EDT)

== Plus qu'humains ==

https://openlibrary.org/works/OL19267614W/Les_plus_qu%27humains?edition=key%3A/books/OL26778119M; Full cover, which none of the images on ISFDB show, with a date that's earlier than other editions with that cover, so French-fluent editor may want to add it, re-date the cover art, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:45, 6 April 2023 (EDT)

== Robert Wise ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?4333; Cover of J. Rovin's UFO Movie Quiz Book says intro by Wise (who was a famous director) so I added that here and put (director) after his name to differ him from the Wise on ISFDB who wrote Christian novels; interview is also by the other Wise, https://www.ebay.com/itm/371173025862, as the seller mentions in his description. Now that it's an interview about films should it be deleted or should (director) be added to that, too? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 7 April 2023 (EDT)

:My edit was finally approved; how about that interview? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:48, 20 April 2023 (EDT)

== Ad Astra's analysis of our data ==

In "James Gunn's Ad Astra" #12 (the current issue), René Walling writes an essay on "Report: Books, Creators and Series, 1800-2018", in which he does a statistical analysis of books published in the genre during the specified period. He analyzes 168,012 genre books, of which 162,140 come from isfdb, and another 5,872 come from "The Locus Index to Science Fiction" and the "SFBooklist". He focuses his attention on (1) Number of books and creators; (2) Number of books published by an author; and (3) Number of series published. And, of course, how these numbers vary over time. If you're interested, the article is online at https://www.adastrasf.com/report-books-creators-and-series-1800-2018/. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:47, 7 April 2023 (EDT)

: Of course there are lots of question about the data he generated, e.g. Did he count translations as different books? Did he use our non-genre flag? Did he correctly process our "variants" of a title? etc. Nevertheless, it may still be slightly interesting to some. [[User:Chavey|Chavey]] ([[User talk:Chavey|talk]]) 12:55, 7 April 2023 (EDT)

::* Novels, chapbooks, collections, anthologies and nonfiction books related to the genres of fantasy, horror and science fiction, i.e. found in one of the above mentioned lists, were all included.

:: Moreover, our chapbook records do not have "series" information, which will inevitably affect the stats. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 14:03, 7 April 2023 (EDT)

== Doubleday and The Crime Club ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=crime+club&type=Publisher; I did an edit for the Gores/Pronzini Tricks and Treats anthology and made Doubleday into Crime Club / Doubleday, but ISFDB has a jumble of different ways that people added the publisher, with the Crime Club / Doubleday one also having Doubleday Crime Club as a pub. series with many more books than the publisher has, some of which are from the Doran era which has its own separate entry here, Crime Club / Doubleday Doran, while I think none of the ones as by Doubleday / Crime Club make sense because Doubleday was the publisher. So if anyone wants to take a look at this some merging/standardization would probably help. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:28, 8 April 2023 (EDT)

Joshua Gage's speculative fiction poem, "Penrose process . . ." has been long listed for the 2022 Touchstone Awards for Individual Poems by The Haiku Foundation.

I would like to have this award added to those supported by the ISFDB software, as the award does recognize poetry in the speculative fiction genre.

The Haiku Foundation, as part of its mission to expand possibilities for English-language haiku, created the Touchstone Awards Series in 2010 for individual haiku and senryu (The Touchstone Award for Individual Poems) and books (The Touchstone Distinguished Books Award). In 2022, the Touchstone Award for Individual Haibun was added to recognize individual haibun.

https://thehaikufoundation.org/touchstone-poem-awards/

https://thehaikufoundation.org/2022-touchstone-awards-for-individual-poems-long-list/

Thank you. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:SillyWilly|SillyWilly]] ([[User talk:SillyWilly|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/SillyWilly|contribs]]) .</small>

: Thanks for bringing this award to other editors' attention. It appears to be legitimate and I see no reason not to create an Award Type record for it. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 09:10, 10 April 2023 (EDT)

Several ISFDB titles have been nominated (or won) the inaugural 2022 Utopia Awards. Considering their website, it appears to be legitimate.

https://www.android-press.com/2022-utopia-award-nominees

Thanks. <small>—The preceding unsigned comment was added by [[User:Alittlebook|Alittlebook]] ([[User talk:Alittlebook|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Alittlebook|contribs]]) .</small> 09:52, 10 April 2023‎ (EDT)

:I suggest waiting to see if they are awarded a second time. I can't find much about them outside of that one site. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:00, 10 April 2023 (EDT)

== Richard Hill ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=richard+hil&type=Name; This falls under the category of "never assume anything". So I randomly found a copy of Squane's Journal #4 (1997) on eBay, a special Ramsey Campbell issue, and took the time to enter the extensive essays included, 1 of which was by a Richard Hill. Something seemed familiar about that name and, being fairly common, I checked to make sure there weren't others with that name here. It turns out that there's a Richard Hill from the USA who wrote a few SF stories in the early 70's, but he had 1 story that was dated many years after he died in 1999. Turns out that story belonged to Richard Hill (I), who wrote a few recent stories in horror publications. However, under this (I) was a 1980 anthology, Hot Air, which I entered in 2021, although I have very little recollection of doing so and apparently just did it so I could enter the original appearance of Ramsey Campbell's story "Out of Copyright" in this obscure British publication. Thinking I was clever, I added a (II) to the editor of Hot Air and also added it to the poem's author since that was written for an early 90's anthology, Now We Are Sick, edited by 2 Brits and so was almost certainly by the same Hill. However, after these edits were approved, I clicked on the Horror Zine bio under Hill (I) and discovered that, I think, the Hill who's written a few recent horror stories is the SAME GUY as the Brit Hill, since it mentions him being from Liverpool and he's obviously an older guy judging by his photo; there's also another bio I found, http://www.thehorrorzine.com/Fiction/June2012/Hill/RichardHill.html, which describes him as a widely published poet, and I notice that in the first bio there's a poem reproduced from who knows where; the title of it, Slick Jack Brady, is completely unknown to Google. So it seems a guy who edited an ultra-obscure mainstream Liverpool travelogue that's only remembered today because Campbell had a story in it decided after 30 years to suddenly write short stories in mostly American magazines (although his last story on ISFDB was in a Brit anthology). So I think I should change the 3 entries as (II) to (I) unless anyone can tell me that the recent Hill is a totally different guy who just happens to also come from Liverpool. Anyone? Hey, I just noticed something; 2 of the Hills have 1941 entered as their birth date. I assume the USA Hill was verified but I have a feeling the Brit Hill's date may be a mistake, although it's certainly possible that they both just had the same birth date. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:20, 13 April 2023 (EDT)

== Snow Fury ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?258899; [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/BOcAAOSwwIxjMHRN/s-l1600.jpg]; Shouldn't the date be March? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:17, 14 April 2023 (EDT)

:Yes. The verifier (who is no longer active) added the pub note stating March so I updated the pub date to match. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:36, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

== Fekete ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=feket&type=Name; First name probably the same guy as Joe with Jr., Joe without Jr. wrote a story in 1965, could be the same guy or his dad. I noticed this when adding story links to stories in Gateway Magazine; most now have links although a few were dead or couldn't be found. Most of them are terrible, but that's besides the point. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:31, 14 April 2023 (EDT)

== Russell Miller ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?21117; I added a link to an edition of Bare-Faced Messiah; the short story is by some lawyer, https://www.heroicfantasyquarterly.com/?p=1111, bio at bottom. I don't see anywhere online that mentions Miller stories in those other publications mentioned, 2 of which are genre and 2 of which sound like mainstream magazines. Differing needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:56, 14 April 2023 (EDT)

:The two authors have been separated. I also updated the story with the link you provided. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:39, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?165423; The poem and first 2 stories are by some old pulp writer; the new guy is the subject of a recent post on Wormwoodiana. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:52, 17 April 2023 (EDT)

:They've been separated. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 20 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641814; Ligotti.net, according to an article I read, existed in several incarnations and the early ones are lost, but someone got parts of it from somewhere so, while trying to get a link for "Teeth" by Matt Cardin (his first story), the link to which just defaults to the modern Ligotti site and a "not found" page, I saw there were other stories listed, including a few from the man himself. 2 sounded familiar but "Ghost Stories for the Dead" didn't, and it turns out it's never been collected. It was reprinted in Crypt of Cthulhu in '89 but it turns out it's from '82. The index on philsp.com is wrong; E. M. Cioran is not a pseudonym of Ligotti but a real poet, and this article, https://www.ligotti.net/showthread.php?t=527&page=2, mentions his admiration and that he used a quote to introduce "Ghost Stories", which is probably why the index is confused. I mention all this in case anyone ever enters the missing issues of Grimoire here, only 1 and 4 currently, because as usual online info is not to be trusted. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5641848; The feoamante.com site, still online but dead, gave me a link to the old Ligotti site, when they were using a totally different URL, www.longshadows.com, so I've replaced the archived link since this one says 1999 while the previous one said 2019 (although the earliest links are May and October 1999 but when you click on them they refuse to go to those archived pages and instead go to November; spooky). Also, I found Cardin's story "Notes of a Mad Copyist"; it's also on the 2019 archived site but while the old site shows it just fine the new one is completely black and the text needs highlighting to read it; sadly, "Teeth" is missing on the old site, too, and Cardin revised many of his stories for his collections, so it would be good to read the original; if anyone can find it on some other old site I don't know about that would be great. I also discovered that Ligotti's story "Allen and Adelaide" is on ISFDB twice, the 1981 original and the 1989 Crypt of Cthulhu reprint, the difference being & vs. and, so I've made them variants. One I'm not sure about is "Three Scientists", https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2702155, which actually contains the first 3 titles here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?360640, with their 1985 dates being because, according to online info, they originated in Songs of a Dead Dreamer, problem being the earliest edition on ISFDB is 1986 and no edition contains any of them. I also notice the first title was in a 1986 poetry best-of, so 1985 is likely correct, except it's actually from 1982, so this is a problem. How to variant the 3 titles to the original umbrella title is the question I have. Also, anyone who can further clean up Ligotti's info would be appreciated. Just now I found his poem "Envoi" on some obscure site and added a link. EDIT: I see that Cardin has several stories which are in his record twice, with one being spelled differently (Theater vs. Theater), so variants likely needed there. I also found a link to his recent huge collection To Rouse Leviathan, https://archive.bookfrom.net/build_in_search/?q=matt+cardin, on a site which probably shouldn't be linked to in his record so I'll just leave it here in case anyone just wants to read the stories. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2749745; 3 titles mentioned in note are also individual stories on ISFDB. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 21 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?215571; 2009 PB on Archive.org, I added a link in a pending edit, I think 2008 PB is redundant and can be deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:04, 21 April 2023 (EDT)

:Duplicate deleted. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 19:16, 21 April 2023 (EDT)

== Saxton Stories ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?124321; The variant for "Woe..." is correct, I checked, but "Heads Africa...", as confirmed from PV of Orbit edition where it first appeared, has no comma after Africa but it does in Saxton's collection; also, is it correct that "Gordon's Women" is dated '76, French date, but "Pollyanna Enzyme" is dated '86, collection date, and not '80, German date? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:04, 24 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5644587; Bewildering Stories, which only has recent issues indexed here, has many stories in old issues that are here and while adding some links I saw a story, "Groomed", by Chris Bartholomew that jogged my memory. It's in this weird anthology but the problem is 2 of his stories were jumbled together so it's here as "Ante Up Groomed"; I also noticed some of his other stories don't have exactly the same titles as here. So if anyone can access the full issue a lot of fixes can be done, along with page numbers, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:31, 24 April 2023 (EDT)

== Novelization for Unfilmed Screenplay? ==

I'm holding [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5638720 this submission].  The [[Template:TitleFields:Novelization|help template]] specifies that the novelization flag is for "novelization of a movie, TV show, game or other '''non-written work'''" (emphasis mine).  I may be splitting hairs here, but it strikes me that this work is an adaptation of a screenplay (a written work which would be eligible itself were it published), rather than a novelization.  Do we want to include this sort of thing in the novelization flag?  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]^{[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]} 10:39, 25 April 2023 (EDT)

:: Don't replace the word '''movie'''. See [https://isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?197778 Luana] for a reason. The fact the movie was not filmed (or distributed or shown) seems irrelevant. I'm more in agreement with MartyD's approach, but why limit it to non-"reading"? A play has a script delivered via a non-"reading" medium - acting - so should novels produced from them should be novelizations? Play scripts have been published, though rarely. But do we allow for novelizations from short stories? or poems (Beowolf?)? ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 16:30, 25 April 2023 (EDT)

:::As for play novelizations, I'd consider those covered under the "or other non-written work" part. Expanding a short story into a novel is not so much novelization as it is making up entirely new scenarios and plots based on the short content of the original story. Same with a poem. For me, a novelization is an adaptation of a similarly-lengthy (so not short stories or poems) visual medium such as television, movies, games, plays, and the like. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:11, 25 April 2023 (EDT)

:::If it helps, [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novelization Wikipedia] defines it as "a derivative novel that adapts the story of a work created for another medium, such as a film, TV series, stage play, comic book or video game." ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:15, 25 April 2023 (EDT)

:::: FWIW I tagged [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2885785 the Pat Cadigan adaptation of the William Gibson attempt at Alien 3], which seems to be a similar scenario to the edit in question here, as a novelization, and that edit was approved by Annie back in 2021 when I didn't have self mod privs. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 17:18, 25 April 2023 (EDT)

Because of this uncertainty I would be inclined to use the "novelization" flag and then add a note explaining the gory details. Even if we don't use the flag, we'll want to add notes.

: I think the clarification should consider what ISFDB wants to consider 'novelization' to be, as opposed to relying on external definitions. Interestingly we have a Note saying that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?20417 Peter Pan] is a novelization of a play, but the Novelization flag is not set. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:22, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

::: This may be more of a Rules and Standards topic, but here are my thoughts:

::::* A novelization must follow the same plot as the "media work" being novelized. If a work of written fiction is set in a media universe but has an original plot, it is not a novelization. This rule excludes original novels and stories set in media universes like Star Wars, Star Trek, Warcraft, etc.

::::* A single work of written fiction which follows the plots of multiple TV episodes can be entered as a novelization if the plot is close enough to the original plots. Borderline cases are left to the editor's discretion provided the specific are explained in Notes.

::::* If a script, a screenplay, a libretto or a plot outline (e.g. for a game) which was used to produce a "media work" is subsequently published in written form without alteration, it is ''not'' considered a novelization.

::::* An expansion or amalgamation of pre-existing works of written fiction into another work of written fiction (e.g. fix-ups) is ''not'' considered a novelization.

:::: [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:32, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

== Portuguese Jedi ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?852871; I think this should be a variant of an English-language novel, right? Also, it's Kahn who wrote Star Wars novels, not Khan, so that might be wrong (and James Khan has a recent story in his record, so there may actually be a Khan totally unrelated to the Star Wars guy). This, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1394010, seems to have been done correctly. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

:Varianted. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:17, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

== The Fire Worm ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?5223; I just added a link in a pending edit to the Grafton edition; it mentions "Jingling Geordie's Hole" on copyright page, a 1986 Interzone story that (I think) is used for one of the chapters and seems to be mentioned elsewhere in the novel. No edition on ISFDB mentions this fact, so should it be noted somewhere or should the story be imported? Also, and I have a vague memory of asking this before, but the e-reads edition says 1988, which is wrong because that company wasn't founded until 1999. It's 1 of 6 with a too-early date on ISFDB, none PV, so fixing shouldn't be a problem if anyone knows what dates they really should have. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 15:40, 27 April 2023 (EDT)

:It might be 1998-12-01, which would work okay. That's around the dawn of ebooks. Also, [https://www.abebooks.com/servlet/BookDetailsPL?bi=31329187634&searchurl=an%3Dwatson%2Bian%26sortby%3D17%26tn%3Dfire%2Bworm&cm_sp=snippet-_-srp1-_-title8 this listing] on Abebooks states the novel is based on the "Jingling Geordie's Hole" short story, so that's what the mention was likely referring to. The short was apparently expanded into the novel. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:10, 27 April 2023 (EDT)

:I've changed the year based on the assumption 1988 is just a typo. I added a note about it, too. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 16:13, 27 April 2023 (EDT)

::https://openlibrary.org/works/OL3691729W/The_Fire_Worm?edition=key%3A/books/OL8007597M#editions-list; 2002 e-book and 9/2004 PB, so there's probably several releases for each book by the company. Also, I think the complete short story is in the novel, copyright page says the story "first appeared" in Interzone. This, https://archive.org/stream/interzone-26/Interzone26_djvu.txt, says "constructed around" the "originally self-contained" story, so someone more familiar than I with Watson's work would need to see if the story is in the novel complete, spread among the chapters, etc. Likely importing the story would be incorrect but certainly a note could be added mentioning the novel's based around the story. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:41, 27 April 2023 (EDT)

== New SFWA "Infinity Award" category ==

https://file770.com/sfwas-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-is-octavia-e-butler/

:Cool. She's a great author. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 22:22, 27 April 2023 (EDT)

:: The official press release is [https://www.sfwa.org/2023/04/27/the-inaugural-infinity-award-honoree-octavia-e-butler/ here]. As near as I can tell, the first Infinity award will be presented at the 2023 "Annual Nebula Awards® Ceremony", but it will be separate from the Nebula award. Unlike the Bradbury award and the Norton award, the Infinity award is not mentioned on the [http://nebulas.sfwa.org/about-the-nebulas/nebula-rules/ Nebula Rules page]. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 00:48, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

::: FWIW the Grand Master Award isn't listed on that rules page either.  Looking at [https://nebulas.sfwa.org/award-year/2021/ their page for last year's awards], Grand Master, Solstice and Service to SFWA are all in a "Other Awards" list on the right, separate from the main "Nebula Awards" list.

::: In passing, I note a couple of potential other issues that might need resolving:

::: * Some of the category naming is inconsistent: the YA, dramatic and service awards have a person's name before them, but we don't have '''Damon Knight''' Grand Master Award or '''Kate Wilhelm''' Solstice Award.  Looks like these were renamed after their inception - [SFE says] 2002 for Damon Knight and 2016 for Kate Wilhelm.  I know from the likes of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?27 Campbell / Astounding] and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?43 Tiptree / Otherwise] that the main award records try to capture name changes, I dunno if there are official rules and standards at the category level

::: * [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?31 The Nebula note] says ''"Note that the "Andre Norton Award" and the "Ray Bradbury Award" are awarded at the same time, although they aren't strictly Nebulas"'', but this is contradicted by the SFWA rules page which references "The Andre Norton Nebula Award" and "The Ray Bradbury Nebula Award", and that on the 2021 results page, they are listed alongside the other Nebulas, rather than the "Other Awards" sidebar. I have a vague recollection that they might have become "proper" Nebulas - [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nebula_Award Wikipedia] says this happened in 2019.

::: Anyone with more insight or opinion on these? [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 07:04, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

:::: As to whether the Norton and Bradbury awards are technically Nebula categories, I have reviewed [https://daviddlevine.com/2019/04/i-am-now-officially-a-nebula-award-winner/ the 2019 blog post] that the Wikipedia article links to and I am still not sure I understand how it works. It would be best to find an official announcement before we start changing things.

:::: In the meantime, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?103 Award Type record], a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_category.cgi?1065+0 Award Category record] and a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/award_details.cgi?78337 Award record] for {{A|Octavia E. Butler}}. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:10, 29 April 2023 (EDT)

:I sent a message to the SFE editors asking about that since their bio says to not confuse the Clint Smith they list with the one who did the Gholjaw collection, but they list the Ghouljaw collection in that same bio. In the meantime, I've added a [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?362778 Clint Smith (I)] entry until we know more.  ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 20:08, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

:: The SFE entry has been fixed and I have added notes to the ISFDB record. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 22:12, 29 April 2023 (EDT)

== Carl (J.) Hoffman ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648405; Here's a weird one. This rare book was uploaded recently so I made the above edit, checked afterwards for Carl J. Hoffman, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2144766, I think it's a mistake and should be this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?945236. Mistake by editor here or Italian editor in the Horror Story anthology? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:09, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?61651; I fixed a poem title ("Latest Things") and there's a story that's dated March here, there's 2 mentions in the zine of March, I propose all contents and issue itself be dated March. Yes or no? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

:I think if you could find a scan of #5 and it had an "In March" section on the TOC page (as this one has "In July"), you could use March and cite that as the source of the date.  Unfortunately, there's no source cited for the March date on "The Bee Keepers", so we can't tell if there was something ascribing a March date to this issue and how authoritative that source might be. Otherwise, the standard treatment for issues with timing specified by season is to use just the year, so we're stuck. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:42, 30 April 2023 (EDT)

== Dom and Va ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5648943; ISBN trouble. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:19, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

:That's what shows on the copyright page as well as the LOC entry, so that's what we go with. I added a couple additional notes based on the Archive.org copy that's linked there. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 19:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

== Flexi-Disc?!? ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5649045; Related to my mention here somewhere a while ago that magazines uploaded years ago on Archive.org aren't always complete, I took a look at these since there were only a few issues published. The first 2 had a few things fixed/added, but the 3rd is most interesting. According to front cover, contents, and intro something called a "flexi-disc" with music from The Bridge, an old Skipp & Spector horror novel that apparently was made into a film or something, was included in this issue. Now I'm certainly no youngster but I don't have a clue what that is; was it some pre-Internet music format or something? Was it like a CD? Anyway, the uploader, Sketch the Cow, who added a metric ton of old genre zines years ago, likely removed the disc but it seems to have screwed up the pages because there are several missing. Most alarming is the supposed JK Potter art for the Ray Bradbury poem, a little bit of which is on the contents page but nowhere to be seen in the zine itself. So I think the starting page entered here may be off for at least the poem, possibly others, too. Any chance someone owns a mint copy who's willing to unseal it and respond here? Also, there's always the possibility I missed a few other mistakes in these issues; there's also movie reviews and such that someone may think are worth entering, etc. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:38, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

: For an example, look at the popular Soviet literary and musical magazine [https://back-in-ussr.com/2021/02/sovetskiy-muzykalnyy-zhurnal-krugozor.html "Krugozor"] (the article is in Russian, but it should be clear from the photos). --[[User:Zlogorek|Zlogorek]] ([[User talk:Zlogorek|talk]]) 04:50, 29 April 2023 (EDT)

::Thanks. I see that I've never left a message on your page in all the years you've been here, so welcome. This Bridge flexi-disc thing is bugging me because there's literally almost no mention of it online that I can find except on discogs.com and a random comment on Goodreads where a guy named "Tom" says "At least I have a flexi-disc of one song from the soundtrack". Highly unusual when every minute detail of almost everything is mentioned somewhere. Skipp and Spector were once 2 of the most popular horror authors around so you'd think this item would be hot stuff but no, nothing. The important thing, though, is finding a complete issue of Iniquities #3 so we can see exactly how the contents are. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:53, 29 April 2023 (EDT)

== Nina A. ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?328172; These are both by Nina Allan. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)

This is a general fiction award for novels or collections of short fiction by a single author, with genre works winning or receiving honors on occasion. It doesn't appear to be a poll (I can't find details on exactly how the winner is decided each year), there's no fee to enter, works published only as ebooks are not eligible, reprints of previously-published work are not eligible, and the full guidelines are [https://jewishlibraries.org/fiction-award-submission-guidelines/ here]. Should we add it? ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 12:45, 30 April 2023 (EDT)

: The organization behind the award has been [https://jewishlibraries.org/history/ around for generations] and they have given awards to SF works like [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2993594 ''Atomic Anna'']. Looks eligible to me. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 13:03, 30 April 2023 (EDT)

:: Hearing no objection, I have created a new [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/awardtype.cgi?104 award type], two award categories and two award records. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 10:36, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

:::Thanks! Those are the only two I could determine are genre. None of the others seemed like genre works. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:03, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5650639; A dozen random issues of this magazine were uploaded on Archive.org in 2016 but today, while looking for something else, I stumbled on a single issue that was uploaded by a completely different person in 2021. Surprisingly, there was quite a bit that needed added/fixing; I tried my best, but I'm sure someone can improve on a few things after it's approved. Dirk B. entered it here in 2019 so he might want to look at it. Also, I made a follow-up edit merging "More Chain Lightning" by Lovecraft, keeping 1915 date and essay format. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:23, 30 April 2023 (EDT)

== Mr. Murphy ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651017; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5651022; There's a note by someone discussing Jim/James A. Moore's name in the anthology but it turns out Murphy's name was wrong here; however, in their novel he really was credited just as Kevin Murphy. There's also a story, "Awake", published in old British horror zine Peeping Tom, many 90's/early 2000's cover art credits (some for books by Moore and so very possibly by the same Murphy who wrote with him), an interview with a guy from the old MST3K show, and a (II) who wrote a letter to Analog in the late 70's. So when my edits are approved the Murphys need separating if anyone can figure out who's who. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:33, 1 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=tinm&type=Name; Same person, probably. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:49, 2 May 2023 (EDT)

== Peter Tate ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?11147; Note in his first story says it's slightly different version of the second story. Should they be made variants? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 2 May 2023 (EDT)

== Looking for 90s e-zine Cosmic Visions ==

:::It looks like Robert Silverberg, Thomas Ligotti, Lin Carter, and Brian Lumley all contributed based on the entry on [http://www.lysator.liu.se/sf_archive/SF_resource_guide/sfrgc4.htm this page]. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:31, 3 May 2023 (EDT)

:I'm curious how you know "Synopticon of Fear" was in the September 1997 issue. I can't find that information anywhere, though I may not be searching for the right information. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:23, 3 May 2023 (EDT)

::Ah, it's on the [https://web.archive.org/web/20111119172143/http://www.stanleycsargent.com/bibliography.html bibliography page archive] linked by Username, above. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 15:27, 3 May 2023 (EDT)

:I think I've gotten the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?17678 Stanley C. Sargent] bibliography as far as I can with the current sources I've found. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:28, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

:::You're welcome. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:01, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

== Atwood's Dancing Girls ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5653645; Nobody ever entered original Seal PB so I did from recently uploaded scan but got ISBN trouble. Only site in Google Search with the ISBN without the dashes is Open Library which of course links to Archive.org, but there's also 1 lonely site that has the ISBN with the dashes, https://leavesandpages.com/2012/07/03/review-dancing-girls-by-margaret-atwood/. So somebody out there has a copy with the same ISBN. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 22:00, 3 May 2023 (EDT)

:Changing the checksum digit did not result in a valid ISBN. In these cases, we move the ISBN to the catalog field and make a note that it has an invalid ISBN in the pub notes. I have taken care of that. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:34, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

::Added another link to a copy and replaced cover. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:25, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

:::[https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/adv_search_results.cgi?USE_1=pub_title&O_1=exact&TERM_1=&C=AND&USE_2=pub_publisher&O_2=contains&TERM_2=seal&USE_3=author_canonical&O_3=contains&TERM_3=atwood&USE_4=pub_note&O_4=contains&TERM_4=isbn&USE_5=pub_title&O_5=exact&TERM_5=&USE_6=pub_title&O_6=exact&TERM_6=&USE_7=pub_title&O_7=exact&TERM_7=&USE_8=pub_title&O_8=exact&TERM_8=&USE_9=pub_title&O_9=exact&TERM_9=&USE_10=pub_title&O_10=exact&TERM_10=&ORDERBY=pub_title&ACTION=query&START=0&TYPE=Publication]; Bluesman moved ISBN to ID like you did for one of his PV and left some notes in both PV about ISBN; apparently spines need to be seen to get the real ISBN. I just added the month to the 3rd printing using eBay and the ISBN on spine doesn't match that on copyright page, so Seal books were a mess, it seems. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:16, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?532472; While adding a bunch of edits for Jonathan Aycliffe books I discovered a lot of the recent editions had wrong covers with somewhat different text. Constable & Robinson is the publisher for most on ISFDB but I also got a Corsair. Problem is most were actually published by the Constable imprint, with that publisher being on the title page and the copyright page mentioning it's an imprint of Constable & Robinson, but there's only a handful on ISFDB with imprint/publisher being entered correctly (I've fixed the few I've come across in my edits). However, Corsair is also an imprint of theirs and yet there are nearly 200 books on ISFDB by them but none as an imprint. That's a separate issue, but I'm only interested in this particular case where Constable is on the title page but copyright page now says it's an imprint of Little, Brown. There doesn't seem to be any combination of those on ISFDB so how should this imprint/publisher be entered? A text search on Archive.org revealed that the copyright text about Little, Brown for Aycliffe books only finds this one. There's several Little, Brown publishers on ISFDB, ISBN 1-4721 leads to several British ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:43, 4 May 2023 (EDT)

: From the 3 Constable anthologies I have print (*) pubs to hand for, it looks like something changed around 2014/5:

: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?423965 Dozois' Best New SF 26] has "First published in the UK by Robinson, / an imprint of Constable & Robinson Ltd., 2013", and no mention of Little, Brown anywhere on the copyright page

: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?573707 His Best New SF 29] by contrast has "First published in Great Britain in 2016 by Robinson"; there's no mention of Constable anywhere on the page, but down at the bottom it does have "Robinson / An imprint of Little, Brown Book Group". I note also that the address is the Hachette UK HQ at Carmelite House, whereas the previous 2013 book has Russell Square.

: - [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?550958 The Mammoth Book of Kaiju] is also 2016 and has the same details as Best New SF 29.

: (* I also have a bunch more of their anthologies in ebook that presumably have similar details, but as I'm led to believe that some people don't think there's any value in keeping records of them, I was disinclined to spend time digging them out and investigating further.)

::OK, thanks. Except for the sarcasm. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:07, 4 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?55418; Person who entered contents, J.D. Cowan (has their own record on ISFDB) didn't merge anything in the 2nd and 3rd volumes and a few things in the first may not be merged, either, from what I can tell. They seem to have generated a lot of messages on their page about not entering things properly but never answered any of them so it's pointless to leave a message there; if anyone wants to merge all of that I'm letting you know. Machen's stories were published under a mess of slightly different title variations so it probably won't be easy. Also, looking at his ISFDB page I see that stories jump from 1937 to 3 1987 Italian titles, a 2019 Italian title, and a 2022 Portuguese title; the 2019 story, Un frammento di vita, capitolo IV, is possibly the same as the last poem on his page, Un frammento di Vita, so that's another issue. Is it a story or a poem? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:57, 4 May 2023 (EDT)

:Duplicates merged. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:50, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654147; Judging by edit history the title changed back and forth, with Stonecreek, I believe, entering the full title, but shouldn't all words be capitalized? ISFDB doesn't care how it's entered in the book, words should be capitalized, I seem to remember reading that somewhere? Also, Hand's ISFDB author image is the cover of this book; it would be nice if someone could find a good one to replace it with. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:51, 4 May 2023 (EDT)

== Dutch Tilly ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?542210; I have a few suggestions. There's a copy, https://archive.org/details/tillyroman0000pere, which is 111 pages, not 112, unless that last unnumbered page is in some way a part of the novel, in which case a note should be added about last page being unnumbered. Also, the subtitle Roman is not needed because it just means novel and those kinds of things aren't included in titles per ISFDB rules. Most importantly, this is some later edition judging by copyright page and 13-digit ISBN. By the way, there must be other genre-related books from this publisher, right? Because this is the only one on ISFDB. EDIT: I discovered something interesting while adding a link to the English-language edition; it says "a novel" on the cover but "the novel" on the title page because apparently it was originally an audio drama in 1986. So I don't know how exactly English translates to Dutch but if it's "the novel" then possibly that was meant to delineate between this print edition and the original spoken word. In which case subtitle "The Novel" should be added to the English and "Roman" left as is in the Dutch. If anyone cares about something so minor. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:11, 4 May 2023 (EDT)

https://archive.org/details/horrorshorrorsho0000unse/page/181/mode/1up; A rare British edition of one of Helen Hoke's thousand or so anthologies was just uploaded on Archive.org, I added a link and fixed the ISBN (which was incorrectly the same as the American ISBN) somebody entered from WorldCat, I think (I have a feeling a lot of stuff is wrong in these books considering how many different editors here entered them over the years and the insane mess of multiple printings, interior art being re-used between USA and British but often totally different cover art, etc.). However, in this case what I want to know is if there's a way to extract an image from the back flap, because there's actually a clear photo of Bill Prosser, who did interior art and British covers which are pretty awesome (sometimes re-used for USA, sometimes not). Date is 1978 but he looks like a dirty hippie who just crawled out of a commune in Haight-Ashbury or whatever the British equivalent of that was so I'm assuming this was an old photo that probably is in other British Hoke editions if anyone could actually find the damn things. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:47, 4 May 2023 (EDT)

::I'm a moron. I have no idea what that means so if you could explain further. Also, should I click on the image link and add it to his record in an edit? I think probably yes. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:22, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

:::And I'm a maroon. I didn't know where or how to connect it up and this was the best I could do as it was just graphics. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 22:15, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

::::I have [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=File%3ABill_Prosser.JPG&type=revision&diff=661373&oldid=661301 filled in] the license template. Each template page has the instructions for completing the template. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 07:37, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

== Masterless Swords ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5654953; Obscure NZ newspaper article has revealed the contents, the titles of which seem to be nowhere on the web. However, I'm assuming the first 2 should be marked non-genre after this is approved. The article doesn't explicitly state the 3rd story's title but it's implied; there's a copy on eBay which shows title page but not contents page, so if anyone here has a copy that could help with possibly identifying the cover artist, verifying the title, and determining story lengths (I'm guessing it's 3 novellas). EDIT: I thought of searching newspapers.com and got 1 hit in an English paper but sign-up is required so I searched Google, verbatim, and got nothing but searching non-verbatim got 1 hit, https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/issue/straitstimes19480422-1, which shows a little bit of a review on p. 9 which seems, from the text, like a different review than that above, so if anyone has a subscription or whatever then possibly this review may verify the 3rd story's title, which is the only genre one and the most important. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 08:18, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

:This author is not above the threshold IMO so their non-genre content would not be eligible. While the newspaper review implies the title is the same as the collection title ("third story explains the title"), but it is not explicit. We need a better source for the title. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:21, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

== Jack Red Bear ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5655023; I think the right thing is making original a variant of the more common name, right? If so, shouldn't the date of Strete title be 1977-10-00, date of his collection it appeared in under that name? Also, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=nocka&type=All+Titles, where Strete supposedly wasn't even co-credited in the original and apparently it was by Strete under an alternate title and then the original title in his collection. I'm passing the baton on that one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

:I varianted both stories to being by Bear and Strete. Due to how ISFDB works, if they were varianted to just Strete, they would disappear from the Bear page & we'd be left with an empty author page. It seems quite possible Bear was an alternate name for Strete so I added that to the {{A|Jack Red Bear}} author page, but without a source, it will have to remain speculation. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:12, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

== Selkie Questions ==

https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Willem_H.#Signet_Selkie; I tried discussing things with this guy but he's giving me his usual attitude so I'm going to ask further questions on this board. So I see from edit history that back in my early days here I entered the exact HC date using a clear photo of a review copy slip that's on FantLab. Recently I entered a later printing of the Signet PB but things were messy because the map date said March due to somebody messing with the date long ago, although he claims it was in 2010 but I don't see that anywhere, I think he meant 2009. He fixed the map date so now it should obviously be imported into the HC since that's where it comes from. So do others here see, as I do, that the map is also on p. [6] of the HC like it is in the PB? PV of HC doesn't respond except by e-mail which I'm definitely not sending. He PV it in 2007, prehistoric days in terms of this site, so maybe people weren't entering things like maps back then. Also, if anyone thinks the page count really needs [6] added to it like this guy did for his PB PV they can always add it to the HC and my PB entry, you have my permission, although there's still the case of the mysterious 1990 12th printing entered, possibly, by Bluesman who's long-gone and also where printings 2, 4-11, and possibly more are and whether they all included the map. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

::: Please note that "your meds ran out or something" is a personal attack. They are not allowed as per [[ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy]]. A warning has been left on [[User:Username]]'s Talk page as per the Policy. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:56, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

== F&SF Sep/Oct 2022 ==

I noticed on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?20325 the F&SF series page] that [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3103984 the Sep/Oct 2022 issue] isn't part of [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2971585 the 2022 record]. I only have a vague understanding/recollection of how magazines work, so I'll let someone more familiar with them work out if this should really be like that, and if not, how it should be fixed. (FWIW that standalone issue is PVed, but by an editor who hasn't been around since the start of the year.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 08:54, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

:I merged the two title records together. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 09:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

:: Thanks.  (I'm currently in the middle of adding the remaining 100-odd Locus Award finalists, and didn't want to get sidetracked spending a bunch of time looking into that tangentially related issue.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:05, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

== A pricing anomaly ==

"£19.99 until 31 December 1998" / "£24.99 from 1 January 1999". ([https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?949447 The Silmarillion]) ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 12:09, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

== RVT ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=ray+van+tilb&type=Name; Very likely the same person, problem is 2 of the publications are scarce zines and the Dragon issue, which I checked on annarchive.com, says Raymond Van Tilburg. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:17, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

:[https://efanzines.com/Argentus/Ag13.pdf This] explains (and lets us correct) the Tilberg [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?584053 here]. It's "Ray van Tilburg" on the cover and several mentions, but the artwork credit list below the TOC says "p.20 Ray van Tilberg". The artwork is credited on p. 20, however, with "Ray VanTilburg". The text associated with that begins "Ray Van Tilburg has a niche...".  I am going to change it. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 15:55, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

::One follow-up on all of this:  A little Googling reveals "VanTilburg" is correct, not "Van Tilburg".  See the litany of [https://www.pinterest.com/aircool66/ Pinterest], [https://www.facebook.com/RayVanTilburgArt/ Facebook], [https://www.etsy.com/shop/ArtofRayVanTilburg Etsy], and his [https://offworlddesigns.com/ OffWorld Designs Art] site.  Per ISFDB standard, spacing is normalized when recording the credit, so I am going to remove the space from the canonical name and note that an extra space is sometimes included in credits. --[[User:MartyD|MartyD]] ([[User talk:MartyD|talk]]) 08:36, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

== Brown's Brightest Day ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=the+brightest+day&type=Fiction+Titles; While adding links to stories that were on the old House of Pain horror site I added a link to Eric S. Brown story "The Brightest Day" but according to ISFDB it was published in a 2002 issue of Black Petals as Eric Brown, which means that is lumped in with the well-known Eric Brown who wrote a lot of SF. So if anyone knows how to get that issue of Black Petals and verify what his name is then either it can be variant or merge. I suspect there are other stories on Eric Brown's page here that belong to Eric S. Brown. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 21:07, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob#Time_To_Scare_Gramma; I suppose titles should be merged since they're the same but the lengths are totally different, so what do you suggest? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:27, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

== Le James Bond ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?260470; French edition, https://archive.org/details/jamesbondchassea0000otfi, if anyone wants to enter it. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:07, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5657866; While doing this I saw an Arkady Leokum on Wikipedia with different birth/death dates but at the bottom of his credits is a book with Posnick (it's on Archive.org). Just thought that was weird. Maybe dad and son? Wiki mentions "pulp fiction" (doesn't list any, though) so maybe they're confusing Leonard with his dad, except that Wiki mentions a son but his name is Peter. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:13, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

http://www.philsp.com/homeville/FMI/n04/n04934.htm#A181; 2 separate titles that don't match the title here, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2851147. EDIT: I made these 2 edits, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658281, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5658282, but there's a problem with "The Veiled Portrait" because it was given the wrong name and the date doesn't match either of these, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1359048, so I think somebody with a copy of this book needs to correct info somebody entered here; it seems to be Toff, who judging by the few entries on their page also entered some other Valancourt anthologies, so a look at those may be needed, too. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:16, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

== Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners ==

On Asimov's summary page we have the series [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?68833 Introductions for 'The Hugo Winners']. This excludes his other essays - afterwords, postscripts and appendices - and so I propose enabling their inclusion by renaming the existing series to "Asimov's Essays: The Hugo Winners". What do others think? Kev. --[[User:BanjoKev|BanjoKev]] ([[User talk:BanjoKev|talk]]) 21:48, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

: The existing series has only Asimov's essays, and is missing the introduction by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?135920 Charles Sheffield]. Not including it  suggests the title is wrong, but including it keeps it from being Asimov as your proposed title suggests. Also, prefixing it with "Asimov's Essays:" suggests that there are, or should be, other collections of his essays. Given how many he has written and how often they are reused, it may be difficult to categorize them. I think the series adds little value and don't care if it's changed, but I do think that a hierarchy of titles (e.g. "The Hugo Winners", "Essays for 'The Hugo Winners'") should be considered. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] ([[User talk:Holmesd|talk]]) 08:24, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

I have been working on a number of publications involving DJ Tyrer, as an editor or a contributor. In the actual publications, he is always credited as DJ Tyrer not [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?153003 D. J. Tyrer]. Despite this, the ISFDB only showed separate initials. A quick check of the canonical record's [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/author_history.cgi?153003 edit history] shows three merges. I contacted DJ and he confirms his first name is David-John, one name. He only goes by DJ. Separate initials are wrong. I intend to merge the two author records and all the appropriate title records. David-John Tyrer and David John Tyrer (one title each) will remain alternate names unless I can verify an error. I will add a note to the new canonical record so there will be no question in the future. He was also kind enough to review his summary bibliography and only found 4 errors, which I will correct. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 19:59, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

:https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5659503; There are at least a few other thehorrorzine.com Tyrer poetry pages currently online spanning several years where they printed several poems on each page, including "Afraid of the Dark" which has a 2021 date here but it's on a 2018 Horror Zine page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:15, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

:Sounds good to me. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 11:26, 9 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?9373; I just added a link to the Rinehart 1st ed. and I think the dates are wrong because they're from the club ed. which usually comes later; anyone know original date? 3 PV of club ed., 2 long-gone and 1 with a very odd name has zip on their discussion page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:16, 9 May 2023 (EDT)

== Bloch's Second Coming ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1222802; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97532; Might be the same thing. This, https://socialistjazz.blogspot.com/2017/04/ffb-eighth-stage-of-fandom-by-robert.html, describes it as articles about Jesus; this, https://cthulhuwho1.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/2256_inventory_4.pdf, says it was in an obscure periodical, Osgledaren, foreign I'm guessing. So some obscure things here, Taboo, Eighth Stage of Fandom, and that periodical are not anywhere I can see, so help if you can. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 16:03, 9 May 2023 (EDT)

== Joan D. Vinge's Heaven Chronicles and Vernor Vinge's Zones of Thought - same series? ==

There are a fair number of PVs of both the Joan and Vernor Vinge novels, any thoughts on whether those series could/should be merged, one made a subseries of the other, just have linking series notes, etc?  I don't have any personal opinion or insight on this, as the only one of them I've read was A Fire Upon the Deep, which I have to confess I DNFed a third of the way through... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 10:53, 10 May 2023 (EDT)

:: Thanks - I've created [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?69884 an unimaginatively named superseries] with some brief extracts from that letter, and a link to it. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 18:13, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

== We Are All Legends ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661090; My note is in addition to notes that other editors wrote for the other 2 editions on ISFDB. I assume ISFDB rules state that this should be a collection as opposed to a novel even though it's called a novel on the copyright page. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)

== Trek: The Lost Years ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5661789; James Van Hise is on title page regardless of what cover and Archive.org note writer says, so what's the procedure? Shouldn't it say James Van Hise (in error) and variant to Edward Gross? Assuming, of course, that Van Hise didn't actually write it. EDIT: Cover artist has an extensive record without their middle initial; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?133578. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 18:40, 10 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?175902; https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?58684; Someone added link to one of Hedge's poems years ago so I just added link to the other poem even though 1990s Nightscapes issues are somehow still online and not hard to find; however, I think this is a pseudonym for Ron Goulart because that essay (not short fiction as ISFDB calls it) from F&SF is clearly a fake bio. EDIT: https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5662212; I found another poem by "Hedge" hiding in that HPL issue. This page, http://www.epberglund.com/RGttCM/nightscapes/NS04/hplindex.htm, lists all the letters and other stuff that The FictionMags Index didn't list in case anyone thinks those need entering. The date is fishy, too, because it was published in October judging by the production dates but it's called "April-October". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:36, 11 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?395035; Title is wrong, it's Lost Cities, note makes no sense with the dates vs. book date, non-genre series book with many other Lost Cities volumes, only here because of review, delete? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:04, 11 May 2023 (EDT)

:Book deleted. Review turned into an essay. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:06, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

::I just fixed a short story in Sargent's record, turning it into an essay; I think it was this one so mistake was made when entering, I guess. I also added a few more story and poem links and think that I've done pretty much all there is to be done with him for now, at least until someone uploads one of his hard-to-find books, which will probably open a can of worms because I see at least one problem with 2 of his stories probably being the same but one having a subtitle in his collection. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:40, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== Investigations of Avram Davidson ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663113; Fixed this up but there's another record, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?35403, which has an award nomination, so I think the award should probably be moved to the record I just edited and the other record deleted. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:01, 12 May 2023 (EDT)

:Fixed. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 14:02, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?27454; I just had author image approved and noticed that short story is likely not by the artist because he died several years earlier. There's also an alternate name for the story which was also an alternate name for a few interior pieces by the artist. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 14:32, 12 May 2023 (EDT)

: The publisher's website and the title verso of the publication containing the story agree the authors name is Jeff Stewart, not John Stewart. I'm hoping it's this [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?131106 Jeff Stewart]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 14:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)

== C. Armitage Harper ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5663571; Death date very different, mother's name slightly different, verification needed. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:14, 12 May 2023 (EDT)

== External ID template additional wording needed ==

In the Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs [https://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ExternalIDs here], for the Audible-ASIN entry, could something like "If the Audible ASIN is an ISBN-10, convert the ISBN-10 value to ISBN-13 and place the ISBN-13 value in the ISBN field." be added after the sentence that reads "Also note that, unlike regular Amazon ASINs, we record Audible ASINs even when they match the ISBN-10."?  Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 08:30, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

:I think I must have put this in the wrong discussion group so I just copied this to Rules & Standards. [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] ([[User talk:Philfreund|talk]]) 06:54, 22 May 2023 (EDT)

== Harry O ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?273603; I randomly came across a non-fiction book by R. Matheson, Mediums Rare, that was never entered here but after doing so it said Harry O. Morris was a disambiguated name because of that 1 wrongly-entered cover credit; do I have permission to merge with this, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1282130, since PV with wacky name never responds to any messages sent to them on their page? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 09:42, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

:I merged them. That was an obvious error (entering the cover illustrator & interior designer and labeling them with their roles). --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 13:47, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

== Martin H. ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=martin+hof&type=Name; I think the 2 German artists are the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:04, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

== John Craig ==

== Tipped-In ==

== DW and the Genesis of the Daleks ==

https://archive.org/search?query=dicks+daleks+pinnacle; According to edit history I added Archive.org link to Day last year although I have absolutely no recollection of doing so. However, the recently-uploaded Genesis is problematic; it says second printing, May 1982 with a $1.95 price but the only ISFDB edition with that price says 1-1981 and the 1982 edition is $2.50. So someone who knows the complex history of these Who books can add the link if they can decide which edition it belongs to. I assume it should be the 1981 because that has the right ISBN in which case the date would need changing, but then the 1982 would need a new date because it's a third printing. There's no note in 1983 that it's a fourth printing, either (and no price), although there is for the fifth and sixth printings. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:08, 14 May 2023 (EDT)

https://archive.org/search?query=garton+alliance; I've been doing a lot of Ray Garton edits and came across this in case anyone wants to enter a French edition. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 10:14, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

== Ronald Fraser Art ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666000; Unusual last name of artist, he's on ISFDB, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?373087, Desert title page photo online says E. while signature can't be found on Flower Phantoms cover but few online mentions use Eric; I also added a link to Fraser's Landscape With Figures and the artist there is also on ISFDB twice, https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=lucchesi&type=Name, with 1 cover clearly signed E. and the other Edmund. So I mention these things in case after approval someone decides which names are parents and wants to variant the other ones. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 19:59, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

== Saga Press Dates ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?576157; I just did an edit adding Archive.org link to this; I don't often deal with such recent books so I'm not familiar with Saga but is it normal for their print books to have one date, in this case 0816, on the flap and another date, in this case November 2016, on the copyright page? One of the bios at the back says a book from one of the authors "will appear in August 2016". --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 23:45, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

== E. Gornall ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=gornall&type=Name; While adding some M. John Harrison edits I was going to add a link to Ice Monkey but it was already there via RTrace last year, but I noticed artist Eddie Gornall is also on ISFDB as Eddi; PV of that book, Jlassen (Jeremy Lassen?) is gone and never responded to any messages, copy on eBay shows everything except back flap where I assume cover credit is, and Archive.org copy of Ice Monkey is coverless. I can't get a handle online about what his real name was so if anyone knows they can variant one to the other, assuming they're really spelled differently. Being older fantasy books I assume some people on here have their own copies they can check. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 00:15, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== Zombie Apocalypse ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?36612; I made a bunch of edits to a few of the anthologies; I'll just mention that they don't really say "Mammoth Book of" on US title pages, just on the cover, so there's really no variant titles. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:29, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== Jagendorf ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5666413; "Demon and the Rabbi" was the only title I couldn't fix, appearing in one of Helen Hoke's anthologies (one of several by him in her books) as M. A., in his collection as Moritz A., and ISFDB saying it first appeared in 1968 somewhere under some unknown name; anthology says it comes from his collection Ghostly Folktales (not on ISFDB) but gives no date. So take a look at that after approval if you wish. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:36, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

== Brief server downtime at noon ==

: The server is back up. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:01, 17 May 2023 (EDT)

::If that was related to the many messages by Alvonruff lately, what is the hoped-for outcome of his behind-the-scenes work? Will it improve anything on our, the editors, end? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:12, 17 May 2023 (EDT)

::: Al's work will update what's happening behind the scenes and -- eventually -- improve our multilingual support. For example, it will let our searches recognize that the Cyrillic letters "А" and "а" are the same for search purposes.

::: More generally, we need to update the underlying software that we are using. At this point it's so old that it's no longer supported by the vendor. It can cause a variety of security and compatibility issues. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:41, 17 May 2023 (EDT)

== Pertwee's Whodunnit? ==

https://archive.org/details/whodunnit0000radn; I came across this randomly, seems to be a murder mystery anthology but some of those titles (especially "A Curse on the Pharaoh's Rod", hee hee) sound like they could be genre. Anyway, a Who is on the cover so that may push it over the line. Older Brits here may have read this in their youth and remember details. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:24, 18 May 2023 (EDT)

== Merge Titles -- more error checking added ==

"Merge Titles" has been enhanced to perform additional checks before creating submissions. You can no longer create Merge Title submissions which would result in "circular" variants, i.e. variants whose parent record ID is itself. If you come across any issues, please let me know. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:37, 18 May 2023 (EDT)

== Non-Genre Stories ==

After recently printing contents not available elsewhere (which is most of them) from the 1935 British anthology My Grimmest Nightmare at a local library I've finally started reading them and discovered that several are non-genre so I've been marking those and giving brief synopses. This is a common issue here with collections/anthologies both old and new; I think it would be helpful if editors who come across non-genre stories mark them and write a synopsis so people will know which are genre and which aren't. I also want to mention that this anthology is nuts. I read the rare A. Blackwood story long before the others and it was pretty creepy, as expected, but besides the several ghost stories there are a philosophical discussion of the afterlife with what seems to be an atheistic ending (probably raised a few eyebrows back then), a slice-of-life about a sad old guy in a top hat who gets hit by a bus, an account of 2 hikers lost in the mountains that seems like it strayed in from National Geographic, a shopkeeper who apparently gets punished because he didn't donate enough money to charity, and my favorite, a jungle tale of an explorer who encounters spiders, were-hyenas, and a giant half-spider/half-were-hyena which ends with what I think was meant to be a nasty joke about his bride-to-be's looks (no #MeToo in 1935). Least favorite so far? Probably the one about the guy who likes SOS messages on the radio and decides to visit some old guy looking for his long-lost son; the old guy's Irish maid is drawn so broadly I'm surprised she wasn't chewing on a potato when she answered the door. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 20:49, 18 May 2023 (EDT)

:::It's generally considered reliable, but unless you have access to the book (Reginald-3) itself, you shouldn't be verifying anything with it. It's got around 1500 pages (if I'm remembering correctly), and it's always possible it's missed some books that were published in that period. However, for the books it does have, it's considered very accurate. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 13:26, 19 May 2023 (EDT)

::::It's easy to verify with it because I'm using the Archive.org copy that I added a link to 6 months ago. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:46, 19 May 2023 (EDT)

:::::Awesome! Have fun adding the verifications. I don't think those even require a moderator to approve them. ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 14:52, 19 May 2023 (EDT)

== Adventures Of The Adventurers' Club ==

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5669128; https://searchworks.stanford.edu/view/9339400; I think the edition on ISFDB should really be paperback because of the cover and price; Stanford copy linked above is clearly hardcover and notice that it doesn't mention drawing on title page like Archive.org copy does. So what do you think? Change to PB and maybe clone a HC edition with Stanford link? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 13:44, 19 May 2023 (EDT)