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Amazon Image Links

Please remember when using Amazon images, the link needs to be edited to remove the underscores and everything between. The moderator screen will give a warning when these are present and they get added to a clean-up report that others than need to handle. A one-off I would just fix without notice, but you had quite a few in the last week. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:02, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

Thank you for this information. I truly did not know how to edit the links. I've seen the warning, of course, but didn't know how to handle it. I really appreciate you letting me know. Bob 14:57, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
One thing to keep in mind is that yellow warnings generally mean "This is not an expected value. The submission should not be approved until the issue is resolved to the reviewing moderator's satisfaction." Sometimes it means putting the submission on hold and asking the submitting editor to clarify the intent of the submission. Other times it means asking the developer (me at the moment) to see if the ISFDB software needs to be changed in order to accommodate the submitted value, e.g. if Amazon's URLs have changed or if we have been given permission to link to a new Web site. Ahasuerus 18:00, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Bob, if you see a warning (or anything else) that makes no sense to you, just reach out and ask - I, for one, will be more than happy to help - and I am pretty sure most of the moderators will as well. And if you rather not do it on the site, my mail is set for receiving via the email link on the profile. :) Annie 15:04, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Annie, thank you for the offer, and I'll take you up on it. Right now I need help (again) archiving my user talk. Somehow, despite the instructions, I manage to mess this up when I try. Bob 16:36, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Do you want me to do it and the step by step or just the step by step? Annie 16:39, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Let's try the second. Bob 16:46, 30 July 2020 (EDT)


  • Go to your archives page: here and click edit.
  • Copy the last line to the bottom and edit the dates range - by adding for example "User_talk:Biomassbob/Archive/Sep2019-July2020". No spaces, dots and so on and make sure the format looks like the previous lines and save the page.
  • Open a new tab in your browser and go to the archive page. Go to the address bar (it should read
  • Add at the end of the address bar the date expression you added in a previous step (/Sep2019-July2020) in my example and press enter or load. It should open a page that has the following text on it: "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.". Click on edit - the standard one on top or the one in the message.
  • Open your Talk page for editing in a new tab and start moving messages (cut from the Talk page, paste in the new page).
  • When done, save both your Talk page and this new page.
  • If you reload the Archive page now, the link we left there in the second page is active and should lead to this new page.

If you mess up somewhere, do not worry, everything is fixable. Annie 17:09, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

Wow, it actually worked! Thanks a bunch, Annie. Bob 17:36, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Anytime! Annie 17:53, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

David Brin / The River of Time

I have compared my copy of The River of Time against the ISFDb pub record and would like to make some changes. You are the only active PV for this pub so I am running them past you first. Please advise whether you are happy for me to proceed with these changes.
1) Delete the statement "Signed by Brin on the title page". My copy is not signed so it seems that whichever editor wrote this statement has a copy that was signed post publication.
2) Add Locus1 as the source of the publication month.
3) There are two stories whose titles in the book (both on contents page and first page of story) differ from the pub record. "The Fourth Vocation of George Gustaf" should be "The 4th Vocation of George Gustaf". Also, "Toujours Voir" should be "Toujour Voir".
I am a new editor and am not sure how to go about changing these story titles. I presume variants need to be created but these stories also appear in other publications and I do not know how to determine which title should be the canonical one and which the variant. "Toujour" is a misspelling, so maybe the title should be left as "Toujours Voir" with a note added regarding the misspelling. I see that you are a moderator, so can you please advise me what to do? If you would prefer me to raise the question on the Help Desk, no problem, just let me know. Thanks. Teallach 16:34, 12 February 2022 (EST)

I didn't enter the original data, and when I PV someone else's entry, I sometimes don't check the data very carefully. Mea culpa. Delete the signature line, tell the moderator that neither your copy nor mine is signed. Add the source of the date. No explanation needed. Correct the spelling of "Toujour Voir", tell the monitor you corrected the spelling. Change the title of "The 4th Vocation of George Gustaf", explain to the moderator you corrected the title that is in the pub, and that you will variant the title to "The Fourth..." once the changes you have submitted are approved. Once the first set of changes have been approved, go to "The Fourth...", copy the number at the end of the source ( "40427" in this case, go to "The River of Time", then to "Make this title a variant" and enter the number in the first line. I don't know why the editor changed the title in the pub, but that sometimes happens.
Also note that the same mistakes in the spelling occur in the 400 copy fancy version of this pub. I suspect this is the version that was signed, which is suggested, but not clearly stated. You should also correct the spelling errors on that copy the same way you do the trade edition.
Good catches, by the way. Glad to have an editor like you join us. Bob 20:23, 12 February 2022 (EST)
I'll make all the changes to the trade ed. Think it will take 3 submissions. Will let you know when all done. I will then inform the PV of the limited ed and between us we will arrange for corresponding changes to be made to that pub record. Thank you for your kind final paragraph. Teallach 12:19, 13 February 2022 (EST)


For Fane, would you object if I added the following before I PV?
Change page count to [8]+311
Add "First Timescape Books printing August, 1981" and the printer's key
Add essay title "Racial/Political Groupings on the Planet Fane" for page [7]
Thanks! Phil 10:04, 13 February 2022 (EST)

Phil, I have no big objection to changing the page numbers, but think it's silly. You could add the title and put it on 'bp', before pagination. Adding the Timescape statement isn't really needed; the date of publication is already given. More information isn't necessarily helpful. Bob 10:50, 13 February 2022 (EST)

The War of the Ring

I'm attempting to PV my copy and came across the pub record you added [1] that has the same ISBN and cover (with more intense color values). The pub date on my copy is 2000-09-00, but the record has 2003-09-01 which you added on 2017-03-19. It seems a bit odd to be adding a record for 6 years in the future. Another complication is that my copy is Houghton Mifflin, while the record has Mariner.

I trying to figure out if I should just add a new record from scratch, or take this one over with much of the data replaced. Thoughts? --GlennMcG 00:36, 14 February 2022 (EST)

Apparently this was a pub automatically added from Amazon back in the days before Annie decided to input all such records. So the information for this pub was from Amazon in 2017, and I really have no idea how your copy could have the same ISBN. I don't understand your comment about adding a record for 6 years in the future. I wonder if your copy isn't the same as the first version of the pub based on the date you quote. I suggest you post your question on the Community Portal. Maybe one of the other moderators can provide some guidance. Bob 09:07, 14 February 2022 (EST)


Added some notes and exterior links to your PVd Relic.Jim 01:11, 14 February 2022 (EST)

Fine. Bob 09:09, 14 February 2022 (EST)

Pandora's Legions

For Pandora's Legions, do you mind if I add the notes "First printing: February 2002" and "Cover art by Patrick Turner"? Thanks! Phil 07:22, 16 February 2022 (EST)

Sounds fine to me. Bob 09:15, 16 February 2022 (EST)

Kennett; Should this be Rick? --Username 09:56, 18 February 2022 (EST)

Yes, another typo. Fixed. Thanks! Bob 10:01, 18 February 2022 (EST)

Canby's Legion

Based on the title page for Canby's Legion, I think the publisher should be "Aspect / Warner Books" not just "Warner Books". What do you think? Phil 08:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)

Disagree. Notes indicate it is a Warner Books edition. Bob 10:24, 20 February 2022 (EST)
But the title page shows both Aspect and Warner Books on it. Aspect is also on the front cover and spine. The copyright page is the source of the "Warner Books Edition" note but there's also an "Aspect is a trademark of..." statement on the copyright page. Doesn't the title page override the note? Sorry I didn't state that earlier. Phil 12:12, 20 February 2022 (EST)

"I guess I really don't care. It seems like a trifling point. So go ahead. Bob 14:02, 20 February 2022 (EST)

A Practical Guide to Conquering the World cover credit

Hi, you've PVed the US tp of this, with "Shuttlecock" listed as the cover artist. Annoyingly the UK ebook doesn't have any art credits visible in the preview, but I was able to get a preview of the US ebook from Kobo, which as I suspected credits "Shutterstock".

Is this a straightforward typo that we can fix in the database, or does the US tp actually have an incorrect credit? Thanks ErsatzCulture 11:29, 20 February 2022 (EST)

The clever pun of the name blew right by me. Fixed. Glad you found this. Bob 14:04, 20 February 2022 (EST)

Tomorrow and Tomorrow; I added month from copy of 1965 edition's copyright page. --Username 20:53, 21 February 2022 (EST)

Space Relations title problem

My copy of Space Relations shows "a slightly gothic interplanetary tale" under "space relations" on the title page. Based on that, I think the title for the publication should really be "Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale". Does your copy match? If it does, beside changing this pub record, it looks like there's a problem with the cannonical title as well. Based on a title note in here and a WorldCat search, I think the cannonical title needs to be changed as well as at least that of the non-PVd Charterhouse edition (and possibly all of the pubs). Thoughts? Phil 07:50, 22 February 2022 (EST)

I have a mild preference to leave it as it is. Searching for the title would likely be easier if the subtitle was not included. But do as you will. Bob 09:00, 22 February 2022 (EST)

Virgil Finlay collection

This collection is verified by you. Will you share a picture of the title page? I believe the title should be "Virgil Finlay 幻想画集" as that's what's on the cover. I suspect the same is on the title page. The publisher should probably be 青心社, and the author should be 大瀧啓裕. I can take care of all that if you can share the cover and the copyright page here. The copyright page is usually in the back of Japanese books. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:52, 23 February 2022 (EST)

I'll copy the title page if you wish, but I can tell you the title is identical to that on the cover, as are both the author's and the publisher's names. Bob 13:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)

Porno Title; Should the essay by Siegel be PORNOGRAPHY? --Username 09:45, 25 February 2022 (EST)

Yep, fixed. Bob 13:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)

Brokedown Palace

For Brokedown Palace, do you mind if I add "Ace Fantasy edition/January 1986" and "No printer's key" notes to this pub before I PV? Thanks! Phil 18:09, 5 March 2022 (EST)

Fine with me. Bob 18:45, 5 March 2022 (EST)

Master of Hawks

For Master of Hawks, do you mind if I add "First printing—July 1979" and "No printer's key" notes? 08:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)

Fine with me. Who are you? No ID shows. Bob 09:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)
Weird. Maybe I missed using all the tildes. Phil 10:31, 8 March 2022 (EST)

Bernie Wrightson identification

Hi Bob

I'm entering contents for Dian Hanson's Masterpieces of Fantasy Art art and it contains a picture from Bernie Wrightson's Apparitions. I've found the image from an auction site. Hanson states the image is of Hanover Fiste. I see there is one image in your portfolio with a title mentioning Fiste (though I detect no chickens in the image). Could you take a look and let me know which of the plates matches that image so that I can variant the image from the Hanson book properly. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:32, 19 March 2022 (EDT)

Ron, that is indeed the same image that you found online. And indeed there are no chickens in the image, although that is the title Wrightson gave it. Looking this one up was a particular challenge, since all my portfolios are grouped together on one shelf. Luckily, I'm obsessive enough to them to find the one cited! Cheers! Bob 12:14, 19 March 2022 (EDT)

Breed Accursed

Eclipse of the Moon contains two poems titled

  • "Breed Accursed" (page 9 and 138)
  • "The Collection" (both on page 172)
  • "A Thin Place" (page 1 and 2)

For each case, can you check if these the same poem (in which case the second should be disambiguated and varianted to the first) or different (in which case it would be good to have title notes)? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:03, 20 March 2022 (EDT)

The second two were indeed mistaken entries and have been deleted. "Breed Accursed" does appear in both places, but has the lines in the final verse swapped. I've now labelled the second as (2) and explained in a note. Bob 12:28, 21 March 2022 (EDT)

The Blue Hawk

For The Blue Hawk, would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! Phil 11:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

Fine. Bob 12:20, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

Prison Planet

For Prison Planet, would you mind if I change "Stated 1st printing, full number line" to two notes: "Ace edition/March 1989" and "First printing by full number line."? Thanks! Phil 10:08, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

O.K. by me. Bob 19:45, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

The Vale/Vail of Lost Women

Hi Bob-

I just made a variant of Sanjulian's The Vale of Lost Women to the parent The Vail of Lost Women in your verified art collection. Given that the Howard story uses the spelling "Vale", I was wondering if you could check the title in the Sanjulian collection in case it's a typo. If so, you can go ahead and merge the variant with its parent taking the correct title. There is also another piece for a sketch in the same collection with a similar title. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:19, 27 March 2022 (EDT)

Found another one, Black Colossus vs. Black Collossus. The Hanson book says it's from The Sword's Edge, but it looks like it may have appeared in Spectrum 16 first. I haven't made a variant of these two titles yet. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:24, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
One last related inquiry. The Hanson book has this image which it only titles as "Female Warrior" but does note that it's from The Sword's Edge. Could you take a look and let me how this painting is titled in that book so that I can make the proper variant. Thanks again for all. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:34, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
Interesting series of questions. The "Vail" was a mistake on my part. It's "Vale", and I corrected it, removed the variant and merged the titles. "Black Collossus" is as shown, as is "Black Colossus" in Spectrum 16. The latter is the title of the story by Howard, so the Sanjulian title is his misspelling. I've made that one a variant of the correct title. The title of the "Female Warrior" painting in Sanjulian's book on p.44 is "Red Sonja [2]", and the actual words used are "a commissioned painting of Red Sonja". Bob 10:43, 28 March 2022 (EDT)
Thanks for all the checking. I've made "Female Warrior" a variant of "Red Sonja [2]". I also would have titled it as you did with that particular caption. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:31, 28 March 2022 (EDT)

Vettius and His Friends

For Vettius and His Friends, would you mind if I change the page count to 304+[8] and add missing title "Men Hunting Things (excerpt)" on page [309] before I PV? Thanks! Phil 09:39, 28 March 2022 (EDT)

I think that's kind of clumsy because of the lack of page numbers in the pub, but I have no big objection. Bob 10:12, 28 March 2022 (EDT)

Poul Anderson's The Year of the Ransom

Hello, Bob! The entry already states "A rough word count makes it 25,000 words." and guesses that it's really not a novel. I don't know who entered this, but I guess that makes the text a novella, and the publication a CHAPBOOK. I'd like to adapt this accordingly. Do you have any other information about this? Regards, Christian Stonecreek 01:44, 30 March 2022 (EDT)

Chrisian, that sounds like an excellent idea. Looking at the pub, it just isn't a novel in length. Bob 12:00, 30 March 2022 (EDT)

New Terrors Titles; I recently discovered a photo of the original Pan edition of New Terrors 2 which showed the title page says New Terrors Two, so title and cover art/intro were changed to reflect that; however, the zine linked above has a review of New Terrors 2. Does it say that in your PV copy? Also, there's a review of New Terrors 1, but there is no such title; Pan and Pocket editions were just New Terrors on their title pages, while Pocket edition of the second volume was New Terrors II. It's likely this American magazine reviewed the American editions, in which case the reviews should be linked to those specific editions, I think. --Username 19:38, 12 April 2022 (EDT)

The review is for both pubs and titled "New Terrors, Volumes 1 & 2". The numbers are not used elsewhere in the review, just "New Terrors". Bob 09:05, 13 April 2022 (EDT)

And All the Stars a Stage

[2] added page # of first page, if you have no objection. gzuckier 22:56, 12 April 2022 (EDT)

Fine with me. Bob 08:59, 13 April 2022 (EDT)

Nice Girl with 5 Husbands

Please see this discussion. Based on the Internet Archive scan, I have changed the "Nice Girl with Five Husbands" to "Nice Girl with 5 Husbands" for your verified Galaxy Science Fiction, April 1951. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:02, 25 April 2022 (EDT)

Cool. Bob 09:39, 26 April 2022 (EDT)

Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe

Another PVerifier of the edition, moderator Willem H., is already at work on the submissions reported here. --Pwendt 16:37 EDT

Hi. You verified one undated printing of Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe T2163025. Working this hour from our record of 2001 first ed./printing, I submitted 15 Title Update, namely:

Spelling (3)

• Sir Gawain & the Green Knight, Pearl and Sir Ofreo • The Wtcher in the Water • Shalob's Lair

Capitals (12)

• After a hot afternoon of photos • Fourteenth-century archer [2] • Fourteenth-century archer • Boar hunting • Shelob about to leap on Frodo • road to Caradhras • Gollum Vignette • Shire Vignette • Earthdawn: Throal, The Dwarf Kingdom • The Knight battles two Giants • Melkor Calls forth Ungoliante • Knight on airplane wing
I did not change "-century" (a rule I would need to look up), only "archer". The submissions queue is quite long --my own date from -04-26 but someday soon you might revisit the publication record and scan its Contents.

By the way, do you know whether all of the INTERIORART in this John Howe collection are previously published? --Pwendt|talk 16:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

Willem H. has approved or modified all 15, and now also replied at User talk:Willem H.‎#Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe. There is at least one other "-century" or two in the contents list, I recall.
Probably I will add one or two of the Knights picture books by Howe, early this month. --Pwendt|talk 17:08, 1 May 2022 (EDT)
On a second pass I submitted 5 more Title tweaks including 2 spelling:
Spelling (+2, total 5)

• Gandalf upon Gwalhir sketch • Minus Tirith

Willem H. mentioned that he doesn't have time to check the book. FWIW, it seems unlikely to me that any of the spelling errors are original to the collection.
It occurs to me that "caps" for capitals may be considered adequate, without Talk page notice, like "+oclc". --Pwendt|talk 17:59, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
One of those Myth & Magic illustrations led me to another of your PV publications, where this is probably your typo, 'Hobbitt' with two 't' T2167315. --Pwendt|talk 18:12, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
That's the kind of typo I typically make. Fixed. If you want my input on these pubs, glad to help if I can. But it wasn't clear until this last item if you expected me to respond. Bob 14:42, 3 May 2022 (EDT)

>> By the way, do you know whether all of the INTERIORART in this John Howe collection are previously published? --Pwendt|talk 16:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT) <<
I did hope you or Willem H. would reply to that. (Willem replied to my "-century" remark and doesn't have time for the book; welcomes your identification of original publications, or mine by implication.)
• Lacking title Note or MakeVariant: does that mean previously unpublished ("sketch" and some others), or unpublished artwork for Lord of the Rings and Hobbit films, etc?

This week I have improved coverage of John Howe without any books in hand; spotted the "caps" and "sp" while using Myth & Magic as a reference on Howe works that may be in the database, or not. I have improved children's picture book Rip Van Winkle and added c.p.b. Jack and the Beanstalk and The Knight with the Lion (those three all "retold and illustrated by John Howe", and all in the submission queue). I am away for most of the next ten days but late Spring i might order all four c.p.b. --those three and Beowulf-- from our local public library network, which does not hold art collections such as Myth & Magic nor art anthologies. If/when I succeed in borrowing, I'll cooperate in identifying some selections, if you wish. Or simply add title notes "Unknown selection from ...[linked to our 1st ed. publication record]". --Pwendt|talk 12:30, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

Weird looking publisher for Tiamat's Wrath xtpb

Hi, you submitted this pub a couple of years ago - any idea what's up with the publisher name? Amazon UK and Blackwell's list it as coming from Orbit, the latter indicating it's an export edition, although it's unclear if that's from the UK or US incarnations of Orbit. The ISBN - 978-0-356-* rather than 978-0-316-* - would imply the UK branch though.

Googling for "elsagothic face powder" mostly finds the sort of cosmetic stuff you might expect, although there are a few other book-related pages (example), so perhaps there is something bigger going on than just this particular pub.... ErsatzCulture 18:04, 11 May 2022 (EDT)

Sorry, can't help, I just don't recall. I suspect the information on Amazon at the time was as shown, but I can't explain it. Bob 08:14, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
No worries - any objection to me changing the publisher to Orbit? I see the listing is still up with "ElsaGothic Face Powder", but it's a third party listing with a bogus December 6, 2018 pub date (which I have a vague recollection might have been the originally scheduled date, before the book got pushed back into early 2019). The UK vendor listings that have Orbit are [3], [4] and [5] for reference. Thanks! ErsatzCulture 15:54, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
No objection. Bob 08:16, 13 May 2022 (EDT)
Thanks, all updated now. ErsatzCulture 17:05, 13 May 2022 (EDT)

Guardians of Time cover

I credited the cover of Guardians of Time to Paul Lehr and made it a variant of his The Stars, Like Dust at Fawcett. MOHearn 09:06, 13 May 2022 (EDT)

Wow, I had no idea! Bob 10:53, 13 May 2022 (EDT)

Julek Heller image.

Hello Bob. You have a copy of Six Fantasy Artists at Work: Dream Makers. I wonder if you could do me a favour. Could you check page 47 - the Julek Heller image for this publication. If you look closely you will notice a vertical line along the whole of the artwork at the top. The first inch appears to be from a totally different piece of artwork, shows square structures on stilts - it's signed 'Heller' just below the Pan logo (top front cover) so definately the same artist but doesn't match the sea serpent part of the main image - I did an experiment by matching the top part of the book with the bottom in Photoshop and they definately don't marry. Does this obvious error appear in the image in the book you have ? --Mavmaramis 11:57, 14 May 2022 (EDT)

The image in "Dream Makers" doesn't have the line at the top, just a continuation of the clouds. Bob 19:51, 22 May 2022 (EDT)

Robot Blues publisher change

I'd like to change the publisher on Robot Blues to "Roc / Dutton Signet". Does your copy agree? --Glenn 20:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)

Go ahead. I guess I would prefer just "Roc". Bob 19:23, 22 May 2022 (EDT)

Trial of Billy Jack

From Wikipedia's page for the book: "Billy Jack is released from prison and, trying to reconnect with his spiritual beliefs, begins a series of lengthy vision quests." That's why it's reviewed on several genre sites in addition to the usual mainstream ones; The wizened old native on the cover was part of those visions, if I recall correctly from my viewing many years ago. --Username 17:42, 22 May 2022 (EDT)

I think that's pretty shaky, but if you want to resubmit, add a note saying why you feel this is genre. Bob 19:24, 22 May 2022 (EDT)
It's not shaky; there's a very long scene in the movie where Billy Jack goes on a series of vision quests in which he sees all kinds of supernatural visions and meets his double and things like that, of which there are many pictures online, some in those IMDB reviews I linked. Certainly it belongs here more than a lot of the books I've come across that have been entered on ISFDB over the years which only have the barest hint of a possible genre connection and yet were approved with no problem, often with no note about anything. As I explained earlier today, I'm not looking at rejected edits anymore because it's clear they're being rejected for personal rather than legitimate reasons, so if someone else wants to enter it, fine; if not, fine. It's a rare book not mentioned on many genre websites, from an obscure publisher, so ISFDB having a record for it would probably be a good thing. --Username 20:02, 22 May 2022 (EDT)
O.K., if you want to act like a spoiled brat, go ahead. I'll try to continue to act responsibly. Bob 14:15, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
It's a perfectly legitimate reason not to enter rejected edits anymore if I feel they're being rejected for personal reasons; if I recall from many months ago when you used to mod regularly you rejected many of my edits for any reason you could think of and wasted a lot of my time having to "fix" them, and there have been many other mods who've done similar. I enter hundreds of edits a week, every week, tens of thousands of edits in total, for almost a year and a half now, so obviously I have no problem entering edits, but I'm tired of having to re-do them to satisfy the whims of people who are mad about whatever it is they're mad about and abuse their power as mods in order to make my life more difficult; those are the real spoiled brats. Regardless, in this case as with many others you rejected one of my edits you shouldn't have because this is definitely a genre-related book, so the least you could do is enter it yourself; then your name will be in the edit history and if anyone ever inquires as to who entered this rare book you can pretend it was you. --Username 18:23, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
I don't agree it's a genre pub. I would accept your opinion if you entered it properly. Bob 18:59, 23 May 2022 (EDT)

SumerMorn; Mentioning this rejected edit here in case you want to fix your PV title. --Username 11:08, 24 May 2022 (EDT)

Kobo Abe photo question

When you have a moment, could you please review this section of the Moderator Noticeboard and respond to Username? TIA! Ahasuerus 11:53, 27 May 2022 (EDT)

Done. Bob 13:57, 1 June 2022 (EDT)


Bob, I have a question re: this edit I'm holding. My question is whether Conscience should be classified as a novella. You originally entered it here based on a review in your verified pub. The publisher refers to it as a novella on the cover of the publication in question. Wikipedia classifies it as a novella on its John Skipp page. The author calls it a 'short novel', whatever that means, in the introduction here. If we don't change to novella, how should I handle the publication in question? Thanks for your help, John Scifibones 11:12, 1 June 2022 (EDT)

Novella seems more appropriate, so go ahead and change it. I think that term "short novel" got in the way. Bob 14:01, 1 June 2022 (EDT)
Done. John Scifibones 14:26, 1 June 2022 (EDT)

Sir Harold and the Gnome King

Hi Bob

I'm going to add the month to your verified edition of the hardcover of Sir Harold and the Gnome King. Locus1 has it as August, 1991. I'll also be adding the Reginald number and cleaning up the <br/> tags while I'm in there. Please let me know if you have any problems with these changes and I can put it back. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:33, 4 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks! Bob 10:08, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

House That Stood Still + Jack of Eagles;; Pub. series (Corwin) added. --Username 13:22, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

Didn't realize that. Bob 15:22, 8 June 2022 (EDT)

White Wolf ID; Someone, maybe you, entered the ID in Notes and there's a back cover photo on Amazon which also shows it, and I explained both those things in my edit but it was rejected, anyway. So does your copy have the same ID so this can be un-rejected? --Username 14:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)

O.K., approved. If you want to add similar numbers for "Ill Met in" (last digit 0), "Return to" (2) and "Farewell to" (3), just note that you got verifier's approval. Bob 15:35, 8 June 2022 (EDT)

Richard Delap

Hi Bob

I think there may be a typo on page 34 of of the January 1971 issue of Science Fiction Review. Could you take a look at your copy and see if Delap's first name as "Rchard" is our typo or theirs? We can then correct or variant it, as appropriate. Thanks for looking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:18, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

The mag does spell Delap's name correctly as "Richard". Corrected. Bob 08:57, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

Writers of the 21st Century Series; OK'd by guy. --Username 08:05, 12 June 2022 (EDT)

Approved. Bob 09:03, 12 June 2022 (EDT)
You only approved 1 of them; wasn't approved. --Username 09:41, 12 June 2022 (EDT)
Approved. Bob 15:43, 12 June 2022 (EDT)


For Dragonsong, would you mind if I import the title Foreword on page ix? Thanks! Phil 08:41, 16 June 2022 (EDT)

Many times verified, but none of us thought it worthwhile to add the "Foreword". Sure, go ahead. Bob 11:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)

The Ends of the Circle / printing statement

For The Ends of the Circle I'd like to change '1st printing' to "First Ballantine Books Edition: April 1981" / No printing statement or number line on copyright page / "First Time in Print" on back cover. Ok with you? --Glenn 15:41, 17 June 2022 (EDT)

No big objection. But it is the first printing, Ballantine or anyone else. Bob 18:56, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
How would you indicate a first printing when the book doesn't explicitly state so? In general, I've preferred to record information from the book, and let folks decide what it means. Seems this deals with rules changes more resiliently. (This is a serious question, not just me being contrarian). --Glenn 15:21, 18 June 2022 (EDT)
If it says "First time in print" doesn't that make a first printing? Bob 18:15, 18 June 2022 (EDT)
Except when it doesn't. 2nd printing. Perhaps when it's "First time in print" and no additional printing info given should be what I consider. My unsupported intuition is that publishers are more reluctant to change the cover than the internal copyright page. --Glenn 19:57, 18 June 2022 (EDT)

Illustraton Magazine

Since you entered the first issue of the magazine I thought you might be interested to know that back and future issues are available in digital format on the subscription service magster.--swfritter 20:01, 19 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks. Bob 08:28, 20 June 2022 (EDT)

Daughter(s) of Earth

Please see this pending edit. The note being added seems to suggest that we have the incorrect form of the title for the Merril story. I'm adding this same note on the other verifier's pages. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:55, 30 June 2022 (EDT)

Clearly the title given in the pub is correct; I suggest that fact appear in the notes. Bob 15:26, 30 June 2022 (EDT)

Castaways of New Mohave/Mojave

When you get a chance, could you please check the spelling of the title of your verified Castaways of New Mohave? I suspect that "Mohave" may be a typo for "Mojave". TIA! Ahasuerus 16:03, 4 July 2022 (EDT)

I guess I spell them as I pronounce them. Fixed, thanks. Bob 20:33, 4 July 2022 (EDT)
Thanks for checking! I have merged the tp and ebook versions of the title, so we should be all set. Ahasuerus 21:09, 4 July 2022 (EDT)

The Princess' Choice / The Princess' Choice

A quick note to let you know that I have changed "Pricess" to "Princess" in this verified pub based on Amazon's Look Inside and the fact that the INTERIORART titles in the same pub were spelled correctly. Ahasuerus 16:36, 5 July 2022 (EDT)

Thank you, much appreciated. Bob 19:28, 5 July 2022 (EDT)

Borealis; I fixed the other "Charles R. Sanders" on ISFDB to "Saunders" in Windhaven, but this one has 2 PV, you and someone who died, so is it Saunders in this, too? --Username 19:34, 6 July 2022 (EDT)

Damn, the problem is always in a pub I have no idea where it's filed. Found it, fixed it -- it is indeed Saunders. Bob 18:54, 7 July 2022 (EDT)

Ghosts & Scholars #9, 1087

Bob, while working on 'Publications with Invalid Page Numbers' this pub was flagged. I fixed the item that flagged it 'ifc' changed to 'fc'. The reason I'm writing this note is that the review 'The Tale of an Empty House and Other Ghost Stories' was missing the pipe value, so it was showing up at the beginning of the publication. I added 38.1 t the sort field, if the order is wrong and it should go before the other review on page 38, you need to correct it. John Scifibones 10:01, 8 July 2022 (EDT)

The publication date and cover art date were entered as 1087, not 1987. Also, who's Bo? --Username 10:52, 8 July 2022 (EDT)
'ifc' should have been 'fep', not 'fc'. Checked the order, all good. Fixed dates. No idea who Bo is. Bob 08:47, 9 July 2022 (EDT)


Escape is on this report because the page number '1|[4]' has a bracketed sort value. I didn't change it because it isn't clear what the value should be. The order for the titles before page 10 looks a little strange. Will you clear this one? John Scifibones 12:34, 10 July 2022 (EDT)

John, the pages are now in the right order, with all the bracketed pages up front as they should be. I'm not sure if this is the way these unnumbered lead pages should be treated, but at least now the order is correct. Bob 22:53, 10 July 2022 (EDT)

Songs of the Dark

Would you mind double checking Songs of the Dark? Does the story on page 11 have a subtitle on the title page? In the original appearance in Unfettered II, the story did not list the subtitle in the ToC, but it was listed as A Duel of Evils; or, The Fall of Kethia on the title page. I've updated the hc Unfettered II and pinged the verifier of the other editions. I thought I would ask about your pub as well just on the off chance. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:26, 16 July 2022 (EDT)

Not really a subtitle, but identical to the appearance in "Unfettered II". Change if you wish. Bob 09:01, 16 July 2022 (EDT)

Three Hearts and Three Lions

Hi Bob, can you take a look at this pub? If I read the notes correctly, it doesn't contain the novel itself, and should be type NONFICTION with only the illustrations as contents. Thanks for checking, --Willem 16:55, 23 July 2022 (EDT)

I wasn't comfortable with any of the types we use. I chose novel because all of the artwork is related to the artist's novel of the same name. While I don't like "non-fiction" I don't dislike it more than any of the other choices, so I changed it as you suggested. Bob 17:56, 23 July 2022 (EDT)

Spectrum Fantastic Art Quarterly, Volume 1

I corrected the spelling of the publisher of this book from "Underwood Boioks" to "Underwood Books". Also, it looks like you added the note for the series "It is unclear if additional volumes of this magazine will be published." Since they have just published Volume 2, I have removed that note. I'm adding the basics for Volume 2, but don't have a TOC for it. Chavey 10:15, 2 August 2022 (EDT)

Thank you. Bob 14:46, 3 August 2022 (EDT)

Cthulhu Review; Should that word in the review title be Earliest? --Username 19:05, 4 August 2022 (EDT)

Yep. Fixed. Thanks. Bob 07:44, 5 August 2022 (EDT)

The Martyr

Can you please double check The Martyr? Should the story on page xiii be "What Has Gone Before (The Martyr)" instead of "What Has Gone Before (The Martyr0"? It looks like the shift key didn't take... Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:14, 7 August 2022 (EDT)

Fixed. Thanks. Bob 08:57, 8 August 2022 (EDT)

Possible Database Typos

Please double check these possible database typos:

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:25, 9 August 2022 (EDT)

All fixed. Some just typos, some also because I can't spell. Thank you! Bob 09:50, 9 August 2022 (EDT)

Guinevere and Lancelot; I added the Luminist PDF and noticed copyright page say December 1986 but ISFDB says 1987, with no note about the discrepancy. --Username 22:02, 11 August 2022 (EDT)

Fixed. Don't know why the date was entered wrong. Bob 22:19, 11 August 2022 (EDT)
It's still entered wrong, being 1986-00-00 instead of 1986-12-00, and the original material in the contents are still dated 1987. --Username 09:19, 12 August 2022 (EDT)
Fixed. Bob 16:02, 12 August 2022 (EDT)

Bruce M.; Is the letter on p. 10 supposed to be by Bruce McAllister, the famed SF writer, spelled wrong either in the work or when entered here, or is it someone else entirely? --Username 20:07, 16 August 2022 (EDT)

My error. Fixed. Bob 08:47, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

Quarter of Eight in Savage Pulp No. 1

Hi Bob

I've recently added A Quarter to Eight by Walter B. Gibson both in its original magazine appearance and collected with another Shadow story. It also appears to be included in Savage Pulp No. 1 where you have verified both the hardcover and paperback printings. There are two differences between the appearances. The original title in the magazine is "A Quarter to Eight" whereas your books have it as "Quarter to Eight". Further, FictionMags has the original appearance as a novel, whereas you've got it as a novella. I've not been able to find any other third party sources for the length. Could you double check the title to ensure yours doesn't have the initial "A". Also is it possible that this is novel length? Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:10, 20 August 2022 (EDT)

The title in my pubs is as given, no "A" in front. I counted a couple of pages, and come up with 48K words, so yes, it is a novel. A problem is that pages vary widely in number of words, but I tried to include one of the skimpier pages and one of those more filled. I fixed the length, and guess you have to variant the title. Bob 10:29, 20 August 2022 (EDT)
Thanks again. I've taken care of the variant. Let me know if you see any issues with it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:40, 20 August 2022 (EDT)

Of Charms, Ghosts and Grievances

In Of Charms, Ghosts and Grievances, the cover art record is repeated three times. Is this a mistake? If not, can you please add a publication note explaining to avoid future confusion. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:20, 20 August 2022 (EDT)

Good grief, I have no idea how that happened! Fixed. Bob 21:41, 20 August 2022 (EDT)

Tina R.; Should last name be Roth in both? Also, there's an empty record for Scottish Lowlands that you may or may not have something to do with and may want to delete if you do. --Username 13:42, 25 August 2022 (EDT)

Good catch! Fixed the name. Can't fine any empty record; suggest you just delete it. Bob (talk) 17:40, 18 September 2022 (EDT); I don't like to delete records, since there's always a possibility of deleting something that shouldn't have been deleted, so I leave it to the mods; delete if you want to, or leave it, I don't think it affects anything. EDIT: Also this,, which should be "of the", right? --Username (talk) 18:39, 18 September 2022 (EDT)
Correct. Fixed. Bob (talk) 21:13, 18 September 2022 (EDT)

Black Easter, or Faust Aleph-Null

Would you please check this edit which will impact your verified pub? Let me know if it matches your pub. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:31, 18 September 2022 (EDT)

My copy has £1.95 net on the front jacket flap. I see no indication it is a later printing, but I didn't buy the book until October 2016, so I don't really know. Bob (talk) 17:53, 18 September 2022 (EDT)
I asked the editor to clone a new version instead. When he does, I will add a note to both about the price difference. Thanks for checking. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:58, 20 September 2022 (EDT)

Edmund Cooper (Richard Avery) / The Deathworms (Death Worms) of Kratos

I need to notify 5 active PVs of changes I propose to make to the above title. The details of the changes are on my talk page here. If you wish to comment, could you please do so on my talk page so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thanks. Teallach (talk) 17:12, 19 September 2022 (EDT)

Glen Cook / Passage at Arms

I am editing and PVing Passage at Arms. I have replaced the unstable Amazon cover image with a scan from my copy, corrected the Canadian ISBN in the pub notes from "444" to "445" and added pub notes. Teallach (talk) 16:53, 20 September 2022 (EDT)

Cool! Bob (talk) 17:45, 20 September 2022 (EDT)
While working on the edit, I noticed that the pub title: "Passage At Arms" is incorrectly capitalized. I will change it to "Passage at Arms" to conform with ISFDb standards. Teallach (talk) 18:01, 20 September 2022 (EDT)

Canaveral Press has 3 books from this publisher, all uploaded in 2014, and I added Mucker and John Carter; Gods of Mars, however, is unclear, with no price but somebody writing in "8.50 net" on the front flap and there being 3 editions on ISFDB, so since you PV a lot of those books I figured you'd know which one it belongs to;; also, the 1963 edition should probably have Roman numerals added to the page count. --Username (talk) 08:45, 21 September 2022 (EDT)

It sounds like the price written on the front flap is a resale price, not the original price of the pub. I would guess it is price clipped. The Roman numerals section includes ERB's introduction, so yes, the 1963 edition should reflect those pages. I doubt the edition is the 1962 version if it doesn't mention the label glued in on the copyright page. Bob (talk) 09:05, 21 September 2022 (EDT)
OK. Also,, which has a good selection including flaps with different prices, in case any of it may help to add to/fix anything you PV. One other thing is that the only Canaveral book with an ISBN on ISFDB, the 1975 edition of Escape on Venus, says in the note that info was taken from Amazon many years ago but the only thing I get when I type the ISBN into Google Images without the dashes is an Amazon India record with a fake cover, a couple of sites that have nothing to do with the book, and over a dozen photos from some escort service woman. Does this edition actually exist? --Username (talk) 09:20, 21 September 2022 (EDT)

Golden Fleece

When you have a free moment, could you please check your verified Golden Fleece to see if the name of one of the editors, "Robert K. Weiner", is spelled that way? I assume that he is the same person as Robert K. Wiener, so it's either a typo in the book or a data entry error in our database. TIA! Ahasuerus (talk) 08:37, 22 September 2022 (EDT)

Thank you, fixed. Bob (talk) 11:15, 22 September 2022 (EDT)


Hi, Bob! I don't know if you have seen my application for self-moderating. Would you mind to leave a comment? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 07:03, 25 September 2022 (EDT)

The Man from Somewhere

Corrected a couple of typos in your PVd The Man from Somewhere.Jim (talk) 13:25, 25 September 2022 (EDT)

Thanks. Bob (talk) 15:21, 25 September 2022 (EDT)

The Wanderer; copy uploaded in 2011, your PV was in 2012, when adding the Archive link today I noticed you said artist's first name was Ray but it's not, it's Ron, so either you have an alternate edition or it was just an error that you can fix. --Username (talk) 14:33, 8 October 2022 (EDT)

It is indeed Ron. Fixed. Bob (talk) 17:48, 8 October 2022 (EDT)

Laumer Story; I added link and page 6 to story. --Username (talk) 21:05, 12 October 2022 (EDT)

SFR 4/70; Supposed to be Chapdelaine? --Username (talk) 18:48, 15 October 2022 (EDT)

Sure is. Fixed. Thanks! Bob (talk) 20:37, 15 October 2022 (EDT)

The Best of Jerry Pournelle

The database is showing the cover artist as Steve Hickman per the cover page. However the art for this cover can be found on Kurt Miller's website You can also see Kurt Miller's sig in the lower right on both the artwork and cover. aardvark7 15:39 20 October 2022 (ETD)

His signature is not on the cover of my pub; looking at the Miller website, the cover cuts off the bottom of the illustration where the signature is. And the copyright page does credit Hickman. But I've fixed the credit and added a note about the accreditation. Bob (talk) 13:02, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

Bertram W. Williams

Please see this discussion. There is a questions on the Bertram W. Williams alternate name you created. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:43, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

My error; fixed. Bob (talk) 12:48, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

Old Art on All Hallows; The early, pre-Roden All Hallows issues have Colin Langeveld covers except for this one; shouldn't the art have the same date as the issue, and then be made a variant of the 1910 work? --Username (talk) 08:48, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

That would be fine, if we knew the 1910 work and/or if that artwork appears in the database somewhere. If you can identify the true source, please feel free to make the change. Bob (talk) 13:06, 30 October 2022 (EDT); under "The Way of the Soul". --Username (talk) 13:19, 30 October 2022 (EDT)
I added a note referring to Horton's publication. Given the size of the book, it seems unlikely that only artwork was included. Bob (talk) 16:31, 30 October 2022 (EDT)
Did you really mean to date the book as 2010, or should it be 1910? --Username (talk) 18:06, 30 October 2022 (EDT)
Fixed. Bob (talk) 19:56, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

G&S Essay; First word misspelled in zine or a typo entered here? --Username (talk) 19:24, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

Typo, fixed. Bob (talk) 19:57, 30 October 2022 (EDT)

Miss Midshipman Teasdale

Hi Bob,

Do you have an estimated word count for this one? My usual source for lengths does not carry it but it does seem a bit too long for a novella from what I can see. Thanks! Annie (talk) 15:23, 2 November 2022 (EDT)

It's close, but is probably a little too long. 187 pages, I counted two full pages and got 275 words each. Many pages are shorter, though. It could go either way. Bob (talk) 15:06, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
So let's leave it as is for now and hopefully a better number will come out from somewhere I guess. I suspect it may be tripping over the 40K but as I do not have the book, cannot do any controlled count (Fixer found its new edition - that's why I saw it and came asking) :) Annie (talk) 19:59, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

Mountain Magic printing statement tweak

I submitted to change the wording of the printing statement (publication -> printing). Does this match your copy? (I'll cancel the edit and possibly resubmit after your response). --Glenn (talk) 16:31, 2 November 2022 (EDT)

The change is fine. Bob (talk) 15:11, 3 November 2022 (EDT)

Fantasy Book, February 1982

Please see this submission I have on hold which impacts your verified pub. Lee is currently listed as both author and artist. So I assume this change matches your pub? -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:58, 12 November 2022 (EST)

My mistake, the submission is correct. Bob (talk) 08:30, 12 November 2022 (EST)

Ghosts & Scholars #43, Autumn 2022

Please see this discussion. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:55, 17 November 2022 (EST)

Glad to see others are on their toes! Bob (talk) 17:49, 17 November 2022 (EST)
The same question was asked here. Can you check your copy for the real spelling ('Carl Lavoir' or 'Carl Lavoie')? Thanks, --Willem (talk) 04:06, 19 November 2022 (EST)

Black Colossus Traycase Edition

Hi Bob

I just added the Reginald and Wordcat numbers to your verified copy of the traycased edition of Black Colossus. I noted that we have both editions of this book with a price of $20.00. I checked Chalker/Owings and they have the traycased edition selling for $60.00. I don't recall whether the price is listed on the book, but it seems unlikley that Grant would sell both editions for the same price. Does the Chalker/Owings price sound correct, or do you have a record? Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:17, 18 November 2022 (EST)

p.s. Chalker/Owings also has the print count of the traycased edition as 200, and mentions an additional portfolio of 4 Dameron illustrations on fine paper. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:20, 18 November 2022 (EST)

I suspect I just used the same price for the two books. I bought them second-hand, of course, and paid nearly $200 for the traycased copy (I bought all of the traycased Grant books at the same time). I also think it likely that the print count on the traycased edition in Chalker/Owings is correct.
Both the editions of the pub have the same illustrations. There are indeed 4 two-page color plates in each and 18 B&W illustrations, some two-page, some one page and some part page. If there were "extra" copies of the plates originally sold with the traycased editions, I have no information. Bob (talk) 19:49, 18 November 2022 (EST)
I may have spoke to soon. I re-read the entry on Black Colossus and I believe that both the count and the price refer to a separate publication of just the artwork:
"Portfolio: The 4 full color interior plates by Ned Dameron on fine paper, 18 X 22, in a 200 copy signed and numbered edition, $60.00."
Further, there's a note at the head of the Grant section that explains the traycases:
"A Note on Slipcases: In the late Seventies, Grant arranged with hand bookbinder Edward Grey Parrot, of Maine, to construct very handsome cases for the Conan set which he sold to his own mailing list. They were sold separate of the books, however, and so are not listed, being essentially third-party options."
Given the C/O's statement, I'm not certain whether we should be listing these as a separate publication record. On the one hand, the cases were sold separately. On the other hand, they were authorized by Grant specifically for each publication. I'll leave the decision up to you if you want to add a note, or collapse the two pub records into one. Either way, that explains the identical price and copy count. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:40, 19 November 2022 (EST); 1 edition has an image, 1 has a Goodreads ID, 1 has a LCCN ID, in case any of that can be useful and you know which edition they really belong in. I assume both ISFDB records having the same WorldCat ID is because of the confusion above. --Username (talk) 10:23, 19 November 2022 (EST)
I removed all of the traycased editions from the database and inserted a note for the series that traycased copies are the same as those without traycases. Bob (talk) 15:33, 19 November 2022 (EST)

The Last Cat Book

Hi Bob -

Unsurprisingly, I'm finding more questions for you as I'm working through the REH entries in Reginald3. You're verified publication of The Last Cat Book is listed as a hardcover with a price of $4.95. Reginald3 lists it as paperbound. Locus1 lists it as "pb" which usually means a mass market paperback. They also list a price of $5.95. I searched ABE for the ISBN which matches Locus, and can only find softcover copies. Worldcat gives a size of 23cm which would make it a trade paperback. Could you double check your copy for both the format and the price? If yours is really a $4.95 hardcover, I'll clone yours to make the edition described by the secondary sources. If yours is a trade paperback, I'll defer to your copy for the price and list the Locus price in the notes. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:06, 19 November 2022 (EST)

I can't find the book, although because of the cover art, I remember it well. I'll keep looking. But my own internal record of books that I own shows it to be a tp, so I changed the record from hc to tp. I don't think it ever was published as a mmpb; it only shows up as a tp in Howard Works website. Bob (talk) 17:44, 19 November 2022 (EST)
Thanks for checking. You had it as pb, so I changed to tp when adding the external ids. I trust Worldcat's size over Locus and perhaps they use pb when they don't know the size. I also trust your verified price over Locus. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:15, 19 November 2022 (EST)

Spider Island; Bryant's essay, GODS not GOD. --Username (talk) 08:17, 28 November 2022 (EST)

Fixed. Thanks. Bob (talk) 10:08, 28 November 2022 (EST)

Gather, Darkness!

Added a note to your PVd Gather, Darkness!.Jim (talk) 01:08, 2 December 2022 (EST)

Thank you. Bob (talk) 15:36, 11 December 2022 (EST)

(Probably) incorrect Andrew Smith artwork in a pub you verified

Hi, this artwork by Andrew Smith is in a pub you verified a couple of years ago. However, that Andrew Smith was born in 1959, which makes me think it's by one of the other ~10 we have in the database. "Andrew Smith (artist)" seems to be a reasonable guess, as he has art credits a couple of years later - a quick skim through the bibliographies of the others didn't show up any other contenders who looked as plausible. ErsatzCulture (talk) 11:44, 11 December 2022 (EST)

A reasonable guess, and I changed the attribution. I wouldn't be surprised is it was a different Andrew Smith altogether. I don't have the artwork, so I can't compare it to other Andrew Smith (artist) works, if I have any of those. Bob (talk) 15:51, 11 December 2022 (EST)

The Silent Warrior

Cover art for this is not Chris Achilleos. It's Alan M. Clarke. See here. --Mavmaramis (talk) 06:17, 17 December 2022 (EST)

● I have added the correct credit to the artist, the web page that the artwork can be found on, and on the artworks’ page, the title of the work. MLB (talk) 15:19, 17 December 2022 (EST)

Lands Beyond; Uploaded a day or two ago, going by ISFDB note this is a later printing with no publisher symbol on the copyright page, if it is you can add a link to the copy; --Username (talk) 15:55, 22 December 2022 (EST)

The entry says it's a later printing. Not sure what your point is. Bob (talk) 18:01, 22 December 2022 (EST)
My point is a copy, the only copy on the Archive and thus likely a hard book to find, was uploaded recently and I believe it's a later printing like your PV judging by the note about the missing monogram on the copyright page, so if you can look at your copy and verify it's the same as their copy then you can add a link to it in the web page field so that other people who want to read it know it's available now. --Username (talk) 19:04, 22 December 2022 (EST)
It's not possible to tell if the Archive copy has the the monogram. Note that ISFDB shows both my later printing and a copy of the first printing. Bob (talk) 10:06, 23 December 2022 (EST)

Centipede Leibers

Hi Bob

I am verifying the Centipede Press editions of Leiber's Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser books and have noticed a few errors.

  • Our record for the introduction for Bazaar of the Bizarre that appears on page 289 of Swords Against Death. It appears that the name, "Introduction to Bazaar of the Bizarre", the title page lists it as "Bazaar of the Bizarre" in quotes. I'd like to change our record to match the title as it appears on page 289.
  • In Swords in the Mist, the title of the Powers introduction is unique and doesn't require a disambiguation i.e. "(introduction)". I'd like to remove it.
  • Also in Swords in the Mist we've got the story "When the Sea-King's Away" appearing on appearing on page 98. It's on page 95 in my copy.
  • We have the reprint of the cover of Night's Black Agents on page 241 as "Cover of "Night's Black Agents", Arkham House". However the caption reads "Night's Black Agents (Sauk City: Arkham House 1947), Cover art by Ronald Clyne". I generally title INTERIORART reprints of covers with "[book title] (cover)". It's a habit I copied from Dragoondelight when I first started editing. Others have simply used the book title which in this case would match the caption. I don't think "Cover of [book title], [publisher]" is standard that I've seen used many times in the database. I would change it to "Nights Black Agents (cover)" but could live with "Night's Black Agents"
  • For Lovecraft's Letters on "Adept's Gambit", I'd rather list both essays separately as they appear on their title pages. The group title only appears in the table of contents.
  • The Pelan introduction to Swords Against Wizardry does not have "Introduction: " prepended to the title and I think this should be removed.
  • Also in Swords Against Wizardry we have the essay on page 275 as "On Fafhrd and the Gray Mouser" as it appears in the table of contents. On the title page it appears as "On Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser".
  • We have "I, the Gray Mouser, and the Game" as on page 289 whereas it's on page 283 in my copy.
  • Schwietzer's interview on page 303 doesn't have the initial article "An". Additionally, it is not the same interview as was first published in Marion Zimmer Bradley's Fantasy Magazine that is reprinted in Swords and Ice Magic. We should un-merge.
  • For Swords and Ice Magic we seem to be missing an INTERIORART record for the illustrations.
  • We're also missing the Author's Foreword on page 21
  • Same difference in title with the Schweitzer interview above. These are two different interviews. This is the one that was first published in MZB's Fantasy Magazine where the original title included the initial article. This one should be un-merged and made a variant.
  • The interview by Heideman et al, also has the same title difference with its original appearance. It should be un-merged and made variant. It should also be listed on page 279
  • We have the interview by Barger on page 303 as "Fritz Leiber: A Few Words" by uncredited whereas it it titled "Fritz Leiber Interview". We also have it listed on page 279.
  • The essay on page 315 does not have the prefix "Guest Editorial"

Do you have any objection if I make the needed edits listed above? Sorry to throw these at you all at once, but I just purchased the remaining signed editions that I had bee missing. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:59, 29 December 2022 (EST)

Ron, go ahead and make the changes. Sorry I messed up so much. Bob (talk) 10:07, 30 December 2022 (EST)
Absolutely no worries. I just wanted to make sure you were aware before I started tweaking things. For the two Lovecraft letters that I split from a group title into separate essays, I converted the group title to the first letter. The second letter is here. I did not import it into the deluxe oversized edition since the page numbering is different. I'll leave that one to you. Also, happily, I was able to match up the other Schweitzer interview with its parent, so I think we have them both sorted now. Let me know if anything still looks amiss. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:30, 30 December 2022 (EST)

Added price to your PVd In the Beginning.Jim (talk) 20:32, 30 December 2022 (EST)

Pending edit for The Complete Chronicles of Narnia

Hi Bob -

Could you take a look at this edit which affects one of your verified publications. I suspect the editor is removing the overall INTERIOART because they're there for the individual novels. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:41, 5 January 2023 (EST)

Ron, I'm having a problem finding the pub. My guess is that there are some drawings not associated with the individual stories, but I can't verify that until I find the pub. You'd think such a big book would be easy to find, but I have a lot of art books and non-genre books that are as large. I'll keep looking. Bob (talk) 12:34, 5 January 2023 (EST)
Finally found the book. It does indeed contain artwork (on the title page and table of contents) beyond that in the individual stories. I would be more comfortable removing the art citations for the individual stories than the overall citation. But I prefer to leave things as they are. Bob (talk) 16:25, 5 January 2023 (EST)
Actually, I wasn't holding the edit, but I'll go ahead and reject it. Your the only validator, so I'll leave it up to you as to whether you want to remove the individual INTERIORART titles. I'd leave them if we were fairly certain that all the illustrations from The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe were also in the omnibus. However, it's your call as sole verifier. Thanks for looking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:01, 5 January 2023 (EST)

Pending updates

Hi Bob,

Happy New Year! When you have a chance, can you approve/reject these? Thanks! Annie (talk) 12:24, 5 January 2023 (EST)

Happy New Year, indeed. Thanks. I need to monitor my edits better, obviously. I've been making a lot of edits in my verified pubs lately, so I need to check more often. Bob (talk) 12:31, 5 January 2023 (EST)

Randall Garrett / Too Many Magicians

I am editing and PVing Too Many Magicians and propose to update the date to 1967-12-01 as per publisher's review slip in my copy, add pub note re gutter code and change the start page from 3 to 7. Is this all ok with you? Teallach (talk) 18:29, 6 January 2023 (EST)

Glad you have the date. I didn't notice the gutter code; it's position on the last page led me to miss it. By all means add a note. But the start page should be p. 5, which is "Part One", not p. 7, which is "Chapter 1". Bob (talk) 19:18, 6 January 2023 (EST)
Regarding the start page number, I have seen many pub records which have the first page of text as the start page and also many which have a preceding sub-title or chapter heading on an otherwise blank page listed as the start page. It seems to go about 50-50. A while ago I looked through the Help to see if there was a Rule or Standard covering this situation but couldn't find anything. As such, I assumed it was something that was just left at editors' discretion. So I'm pretty indifferent as to how this is specified and am quite happy to go along with your preference for page 5. I have submitted two edits to update the pub and title records. Thanks for your input. Teallach (talk) 13:47, 7 January 2023 (EST)

Offutt - The Black Sorcerer of the Black Castle

Hello Bob, I've just PV'd this pub and on p.115 his name is Andrew J. Black-Offutt. I've created this as an alternative name for Andrew J. Offut. Regarding your PV here, how is his name spelt at the head of the essay? If it's Andrew J. (Black)Offutt, then that is yet another alternative name for him - all to be varianted to the canonical Andrew J. Offutt, imo. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 17:51, 27 January 2023 (EST)

The name andrew j. (black)offutt is used on the front cover, the title page and above the start of the story. But the name at the head of the essay is andrew j. offutt, as is the name at the end of the essay where a signature might be expected. Note that every character in the story has a name that is a variant of "black". It seems likely to me that his use of "black" in his name at the top of the story is to fit in with the names of the characters, not something he used otherwise. I've never seen it used with any of this other work. Bob (talk) 19:46, 27 January 2023 (EST)
That clears that up. As yours is good, I can just variant my title to Andrew J. Offutt. Thanks, Kev.
Just noticed that your title is dated 1976, whereas it seems to have been first published in 1974. I'm varianting to this title Do you think your title should be merged with that one? Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 20:32, 27 January 2023 (EST)
That pub has no content, so should be deleted. I went ahead and did the deletion. Bob (talk) 08:46, 28 January 2023 (EST)
Bob, I've got a submission in to variant mine into that container. Please undelete it. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 20:37, 28 January 2023 (EST)
Can't be done. You can't variant something to a non-existent pub. There has to be content for a pub to be valid. Bob (talk) 09:56, 29 January 2023 (EST)
I'm not talking about publications, as you seem to be, I'm talking about Title Records.
I told you I was going to variant my title (Andrew J. Black-Offut -> Andrew J. Offutt) above - "I'm varianting to this title".
In order to that, I unmerged my publication, as Andrew J. Offut 1974, in order to change his name in my publication record to Andrew J. Black-Offut 1974. This left the Andrew J. Offut 1974 title record (container) empty.
I should have been able to then variant the Andrew J. Black-Offut 1974 back into the Andrew J. Offut 1974 canonical Title Record - except you deleted it (after I told you I was going to variant into it). You said at first "That pub has no content, so should be deleted." I saw that, but still proceeded with what I was doing ( I knew what I was working towards). Then later you edited that statement to add "I went ahead and did the deletion." This negated everything I was doing and I had to cancel my varianting submission. Because you've deleted it, we've lost the note that was in it about it previously being published in If(?) magazine.
Re "Can't be done. You can't variant something to a non-existent pub." What can't be done? Paragraph 2 in the MakeVariant help says differently.
I've now submitted again, using Option 2 on the Make Variant Screen.
Lastly, have you considered my second question above - "Just noticed that your title is dated 1976, whereas it seems to have been first published in 1974."? Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 12:11, 29 January 2023 (EST)

Kev, my pub was produced in 1976. Another version of the story was published in 1974 in "Cosmic Laughter", I presume the first printing. My pub credits that source with the 1974 date. It also notes that another version of the same story appeared as "The Forgotten Gods of Earth" in IF, December 1966. It seems to me that the version of "Cosmic Laughter" you entered is the second printing; later printings do not necessarily drop "First Edition". Bottom line is that the only variant involved is in the author's name. Bob (talk) 15:55, 29 January 2023 (EST)

Upgraded Ervool

Hi Bob

I was adding Reginald3 and Worldcat numbers to Leiber's Ervool. The first Worldcat record that I looked at was for the upgraded edition and has a quoted statement: "This upgraded version ... was issued in June, 1982...". We have the date the same as the first edition, October, 1980. Could you take a look at your copy and see if it indicates the 1982 date? If it does, then Worldcat 14909497 can be added to that record as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:10, 28 January 2023 (EST)

The statement you partially quote is in the pub itself. The only information on the copyright page is the copyright date. I've changed the date of the publication to match the June, 1982 date. Bob (talk) 20:12, 28 January 2023 (EST)

Whispers, 1987;; I added FantLab ID to digest edition; Russell story says "Kolorized" on contents page, not "Kolarized", and Eisenstein story says "Weasling", not "Weaseling". 1 seems like contents may be right, the other one seems like a misspelling. So if you can check your HC copy. --Username (talk) 18:15, 30 January 2023 (EST)

Right in both cases. Changed "Kolarized" to "Kolorized", "Weasling" is an error in the toc. Bob (talk) 18:27, 30 January 2023 (EST)
OK. Seems like FantLab has all issues, which I'm entering ID's for, so you and RTrace (who seem to be the PV for most/all issues) may want to look at them later to see if there's any other errors that need fixing. EDIT: I added ID (not approved yet) to issues 1-12 but cancelled the one above because starting with issue 13-14 there are ISFDB records for magazine and hardcover and FantLab gets them confused, including photos from both editions, so I think I'll stop where I am for now. The other issues are there if you need to look up anything, though. --Username (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2023 (EST)

De Camp Bibliography

Hi Bob

I noticed that your verified edition of the library binding of Levack and Laughlin's bibliography has the same ISBN as the trade paperback. I have the signed hardcover and it has both ISBNs on the copyright page, but only specified as hardcover and softcover. Could you check your copy and see if we have the correct ISBN listed? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:16, 2 February 2023 (EST)

Both the hc and tp versions seem to be identical to the signed version (except for the signature, of course). I suspect that I just didn't review the entry carefully enough when I verified it. Fixed it. Bob (talk) 09:10, 2 February 2023 (EST)

Frank Herbert / Dune

I will shortly be creating a pub record for the unnumbered/unsigned version of Dune (Centipede) so was looking at the record for the numbered/signed version before I clone it.
1) What is your source for the price of $650? There is no price on the book and the pre-order email from the publisher stated "$625 signed, $575 unsigned."
2) "Introduction" should be "Introduction (Dune)" to disambiguate it
3) Two spelling errors: "Dramatic Persona" should be "Dramatis Personae"
4) Map of Dune is essentially the same as the original Dune (map) enhanced with colour and background art. The original map was signed "Dorothy deFontaine" but her signature is not present on the map in the Centipede edition. I feel that Dorothy deFontaine should be added as an additional author to the Interiorart record. An explanatory note will also be required.
Are you ok with all this? If so, I'm happy to submit the edit for the above changes. I'd like to sort this out before I clone the pub record. It's much easier (ie fewer edits) to make the amendments when there is only one pub record associated with a title. Teallach (talk) 18:32, 2 February 2023 (EST)

I fixed 2 and 3; go ahead and fix 4. But on the price, $650 plus $10 shipping is what I paid through Paypal in mid-October 2021. This is confirmed in both my Visa and Paypal records, as well as my internal records for my books. Bob (talk) 09:20, 3 February 2023 (EST)

Beyond Mars: The Complete Series 1952-1955

Added a clarifying note to your PVc Beyond Mars: The Complete Series 1952-1955. Also adding individual strips into contents in multiple sessions.Jim (talk) 17:53, 4 February 2023 (EST)

Here's the submission. John Scifibones 08:58, 7 February 2023 (EST)

A Song In Stone; I just added the 2018 link in a (pending) edit; cover artist is Steve Stone on copyright page, not Veer, and publisher should be this,, I think. --Username (talk) 12:11, 6 February 2023 (EST)

I've changed the publisher, although the copyright page says, "Published by Wizards of the Coast, Inc. Wizards of the Coast Discoveries and its logo are trademarks of Wizards of the Coast, Inc. in the U.S.A. and other countries." However, the title page does say "Discoveries" at the bottom, with a logo. And there is no credit for the jacket art on the copyright page. The front jacket flap says, "Front Cover Photography by ©JUPITERIMAGE/VEER." There is also a credit for jacket design by Matt Adelsperger. Nowhere is there any mention of Steve Stone. Wizards claim copyright for the cover design on the rear jacket flap. Bob (talk) 20:03, 6 February 2023 (EST)
Uh-oh, looking at it again there's info in the front that suggests this is an advance reading copy or something, I may have to cancel my edit now. It does say Stone in this copy, though, so who knows. --Username (talk) 20:16, 6 February 2023 (EST)
The reason I know it's not Steve Stone's work is because the cover art is a photo; Steve draws stuff. The cover of the pub is as shown, not the cover in your reference. Bob (talk) 22:02, 6 February 2023 (EST)
OK, I cancelled my edit adding the link. Their Discoveries line (I did edits for other books using online copies) seems to have run into trouble because the back of one of them lists several other forthcoming books which either didn't appear or came out from another publisher, so that might explain this preview copy ending up with different art. Maybe someone else will see this and know more about it and possibly add/fix some stuff. --Username (talk) 23:09, 6 February 2023 (EST)

Essential Conan; copy just uploaded (with URL of a totally different book),, and copyright says June 1998, not August. --Username (talk) 10:13, 8 February 2023 (EST)

I didn't enter the date, I think Mike Hutchens did. I purchased the pub in 2003 and was careless enough not to check the date. June 1998 is correct. Bob (talk) 15:37, 8 February 2023 (EST)

Grails; "Occurences" in note, "Occurrences" everywhere else. Is it really misspelled on the last page of the book or just in the note? --Username (talk) 15:42, 9 February 2023 (EST)

Corrected. Again, I didn't proof Mike's entry close enough. Thanks. Bob (talk) 18:13, 9 February 2023 (EST)

Talon of the Silver Hawk

Minor tweaks to contents of Talon of the Silver Hawk if you have no objection. gzuckier (talk) 22:42, 9 February 2023 (EST)

Rides a Dread Legion

I made minor changes to contents of Rides a Dread Legion if you have no objection. gzuckier (talk) 00:48, 10 February 2023 (EST)

Feist stuff

Note re same map fep and bep sounds reasonable.

I was thinking of doing cleanup but... I notice that the maps in his various books, although they look identical, have different copyright dates down in the lower right. So I thought maybe this would make them variants? There are certainly a lot of Midkemia maps on Askren's author page that look like they might be all the same, but I haven't seen them all in person... Then there's the Map of the Eastern Kingdom maps, where I have two examples, identical except for the shading, so I suppose they're variants also? Thanks. gzuckier (talk) 14:18, 10 February 2023 (EST)

Seems reasonable to make them variants if you would like to. The kind of material you have added to the Midkemia books are o.k., but not the kind of material I would include. So if you want to make variants with the maps you can view, go ahead. Bob (talk) 14:35, 10 February 2023 (EST)

El Borak; I added link, uploaded last June, and LCCN ID; both say page count starts with xxviii, not xxiii. Entry error here? --Username (talk) 19:04, 10 February 2023 (EST)

My error, corrected. Note that the number of pages with Roman numbers is different in the proof copy. Bob (talk) 21:10, 10 February 2023 (EST)

The Essential Conan

Bob, Do you agree with this submission? I also own the book and agree with the change. Thanks, John Scifibones 17:22, 11 February 2023 (EST)

Ignore this, I see the earlier thread. Sorry John Scifibones 17:27, 11 February 2023 (EST)

Terror Tales #3; Copy on AbeBooks shows title on title page as Terror Tales (Number Three); does yours? I've got a (pending) edit fixing the title. EDIT: Also, I recently entered an obscure 2006 collection by Steven Deighan and there's a story in this anthology by "Steve" Deighan on ISFDB; back cover on AbeBooks says "Stephen" Deighan. Is it Steve, Steven, or Stephen on the story's title page? --Username (talk) 11:38, 14 February 2023 (EST)

The title page does indeed show (Number Three). The author's name on the story is "Steven", although the TOC shows it as "Stephen". No doubt confusion with Stephen King. No excuse for putting in "Steve". Fixed that.Bob (talk) 16:17, 14 February 2023 (EST)

Asimov - Foundation and Empire

Hi Bob, can I ask why you changed the book type from collection to novel with this submission? Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 11:00, 15 February 2023 (EST)

Kev, I don't recall to be honest. I know the pub is broken into two parts, but if I had to make a judgement today, I'd still call it a novel, not a collection. Clearly, everybody else disagrees with me. If you want to change it to a collection, I won't object. Bob (talk) 11:44, 15 February 2023 (EST)
Considering that all other copies of it in the DB are collections, this one cannot just sit on its own as a novel - it feels lonely and cold and needs its siblings. :) For me, this whole series is a series of novels (the first place I ever saw the original Foundation as a collection was here) but we go with the consensus on such matters. :) Annie (talk) 12:09, 15 February 2023 (EST)
Thanks Bob, I do understand your thinking but I'll revert it to collection to put it with the rest. In an Amazon review I read of the Doubleday edition the parts are mentioned, so I'll put those in too.
Annie, lonely - I like it! :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 12:20, 15 February 2023 (EST)

Monster Hunter Files; I added LCCN ID and link (uploaded last August) in a (pending) edit, but it's 319 pages, not 313. Does that need fixing? --Username (talk) 08:38, 16 February 2023 (EST)

Once again caught not reviewing existing pub sufficiently. Fixed. Bob (talk) 13:52, 16 February 2023 (EST)

J.W.; I think co-editor is this guy, --Username (talk) 11:20, 26 February 2023 (EST)

The Danish Scheme type

Shouldn't The Danish Scheme be an Anthology instead of a Novel since it has both the novel by Herbert Sakalaucks and a short story by Eric Flint as part of it? This is true for all three of the existing pubs attached to this title. Thanks! Phil (talk) 12:42, 26 February 2023 (EST)

I don't think so. The novel certainly dominates the pub. Bob (talk) 14:50, 26 February 2023 (EST)
I haven't seen this before. Is there some kind of proportionality rule then? Phil (talk) 16:24, 26 February 2023 (EST)
The Eric Flint part is categorized only as an 'Epilogue'. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 02:43, 27 February 2023 (EST)

Centipede Something Wicked This Way Comes

Hi Bob

It looks like we have the artist of the cover to Bradbury's Dark Carnival misspelled. His name should be "George Barrows". It would be easiest to update the author record. However, that would affect your verified copy of Something Wicked This Way Comes where the Dark Carnival cover is reprinted. Could you check to see if this title on page 307 has an artist credit and if so is it Barrows or Burrows? I'm hoping it's either uncredited or is Barrows so we can change everything at the author level. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:47, 5 March 2023 (EST)

It's definitely credited to Burrows. Bob (talk) 09:08, 6 March 2023 (EST)

Drake/Morris' The Fourth Rome

A quick question about your verified The Fourth Rome, book 2 in the "ARC Riders" series. How is the cover artist credited on the copyright page, on the cover and anywhere else the name may be stated? The reason I am asking is that Jean Pierre Targete, whom we currently credit as the artist, has contacted SFE to let them know that although the cover of the first "Arc Riders" book was indeed his, the cover for "The Fourth Rome" was done by another artist. I wonder if the publisher may have forgotten to change the artist's name when "cloning" the copyright page of the first book.

Thanks in advance! Ahasuerus (talk) 15:25, 10 March 2023 (EST)

The credit on the copyright page is "Cover design by Don Puckey / Cover illustration by Jean Targete". There is no signature on the illustration, and no mention of the artist elsewhere in the pub. Except for the dates, the copyright pages in the two Arc Rider books are the same. The artworks do appear to be by different artists (based on appearance) though. Bob (talk) 12:22, 11 March 2023 (EST)
Thanks for checking! Would you say that we should change the credit to "Jean Targete (in error)" and explain the situation in Notes? Also, the second printing of The Fourth Rome has been verified by User:GlennMcG, whom we may want to ping. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:39, 11 March 2023 (EST)
The 2nd printing has the same credits. --Glenn (talk) 20:06, 5 April 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for checking! Ahasuerus (talk) 09:06, 10 April 2023 (EDT)

Caine Riordan: Mission Critical and Insertion

Hi, you have both Mission Critical and Insertion PVed. I'm curious how these might be related, primarily that they have the same cover image with the "Insertion" title. (FWIW, The ebook of Mission Critical has the same underlying artwork, but a different title and author credits.) Is there perhaps an accidentally repeated scan?

Besides that though, is there some connection/duplication in the content between these two sets of pubs? Given the same set of authors, I wasn't sure if it was a fixup like the earlier Murphy's Lawless, but Amazon previews seem to have different content, and some cursory Googling hasn't uncovered anything that enlightens me. No need for a long explanation - I only stumbled across this after a discussion elsewhere about how many new titles Baen puts out a year, and I was confused if the 2023 novel was some sort of reprint or not of the 2022 novellas.

Also - and I only spotted this one whilst typing up this item - am I right in thinking the "2002" on the "Shakes" title record is a typo for 2020, given that everything else in that series has that year? Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 17:58, 18 March 2023 (EDT)

Ah, a different Google search term has thrown some light on the question in my second paragraph: 'These novels are all braided into the novel “Mission Critical.”' This does make me wonder whether Mission Critical should be moved into the "Murphy's Lawless: Mission Critical" series, same as the previous two?
Also, this digging has highlighted that we're missing a novella from the second subseries, so now I feel obligated to get that added in. Sigh... ;-) ErsatzCulture (talk) 18:13, 18 March 2023 (EDT)
I understand your confusion. These authors keep writing stories about the same characters. The pubs could indeed be part of the same series. The original Mission Critical pub was originally published in parts as well; I presume the current series that includes Insertion will eventually be published in a single pub as well. I'm having trouble correcting the cover scan problem. The images on the covers are the same, but the words are different. Bob (talk) 12:41, 19 March 2023 (EDT)

Realms of Wizardry; I left a note about the date issue, but I also will mention that the LCCN on copyright page wasn't entered (I assume your PV copy has the same) and the date of Corley's story is an issue because while adding an 2nd printing of his first collection it seems almost all stories are reprints, not original like ISFDB says (same seems true for his second collection), so I changed the date of the 1 story with a variant, "Figs", to July 1922, but I don't know if the variant title in this anthology should be the same or if it should have the 1976 date, so I guess you would know and can change if you want to. --Username (talk) 12:14, 24 March 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, I clearly missed the LCCN. Sorry to take so long answering this; I had trouble locating the book. It wasn't under Carter's name, but among books with a story by Robert E. Howard. Bob (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2023 (EDT)

The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959

For your verified The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, May 1959, I updated the title of the story on page 5 from "Tenth Time Around" to "Tenth Time Round" based on the Internet Archive scan. This seemed pretty straightforward based on the scan, but let me know if on the off chance there were two versions of this magazine and we need updates. I am posting this message on all active verifiers' pages. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:32, 6 April 2023 (EDT)

It's "Around" in the TOC, but "Round" in the story title. Bob (talk) 20:10, 6 April 2023 (EDT)

Hyperluminal;; Copy was just uploaded, price on back cover in barcode seems to indicate this is the US trade edition which isn't on ISFDB, does your back cover look the same or is the UK price present? --Username (talk) 16:34, 8 April 2023 (EDT)

My copy is like the one you saw, with the U.S. price in the bar code. But note I wasn't the first person to verify the pub, and Willem at least lives in Europe. I suggest this is not worth pursuing. Bob (talk) 19:56, 8 April 2023 (EDT)

The Cybernetic Shogun/Shōgun

Hi Bob - While adding external ID's to your verified publication, The Cybernetic Shogun, I noticed a couple of things. Worldcat has the titles as "The Cybernetic Shōgun" with the diacritical mark over the o. However, neither Locus1 nor Reginald3 have the diacritical. Could you check your copy and see if we should update the title? I also noticed the Locus has the publication month as March 1990. I'm guessing that the month is not specified in the book or it was not noticed. Would you be OK with adding the month? Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:30, 10 April 2023 (EDT)

Copy on has the diacritical; also, note is wrong because cover artist is on back flap, not copyright page. --Username (talk) 08:14, 10 April 2023 (EDT)
There is the diacritical mark over the o on the title page, as well as the cover. Month is not given in the pub. Please add the month and diacritical mark. Fix the location of the cover artist credit as well. Bob (talk) 11:39, 10 April 2023 (EDT)
Thanks! Updates made. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:09, 10 April 2023 (EDT)

? Lewis; "Threading of the Night" is in an online D. F. Lewis bibliography, one of about a couple thousand stories he wrote. Is it D. F. in your PV copy, not B. F.? --Username (talk) 16:29, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

It's D. F.; fixed. Thanks. Bob (talk) 17:04, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

Eltdown Shards; Does your PV copy have a "." after the H in the publisher? Because there are 5 other books by them on ISFDB, all with the ".". --Username (talk) 17:57, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

Yep, fixed. Bob (talk) 20:16, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

Charlie Stross' The New Management subseries

Hi, you're one of several PVs of Dead Lies Dreaming and/or Quantum of Nightmares, which are currently recorded as volumes 10 and 11 of the Laundry Files series. Personally I never progressed past the first of that series, but I was listening to a recent podcast interview with him, and he said that (I paraphrase) these novels were intended as a separate series to the prior Laundry Files novels - whilst obviously set in the same universe - called The New Management, but that the marketing got messed around by the early phases of COVID, causing them to appear as a straight continuation of the Laundry Files.

This is backed up by Stross' own site:

   Dead Lies Dreaming (set: December 2016: pub: Oct 2020 (US hbk/UK hbk))
   New spin-off series, new starting point! The marketing blurb describes it as "book 10 in the Laundry Files" but by the time this book is set—after CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN and the end of the main Laundry story arc (some time in 2015-16) the Laundry no longer exists. ... The start of a new series about the New Management, Dead Lies Dreaming ...
   Quantum of Nightmares (set: December 2016, pub: January 2022)
   Second book in the New Management spin-off ...
   Season of Skulls (set: March 2017 and summer of 1816, pub: May 2023)
   Third New Management novel ...

and both the podcast and page indicate that there'll eventually be a different novel that will be the "real" Laundry Files #10.

I've had a quick look at the UK ebooks and product listing pages for DLD and QoN, and whilst there doesn't seem to be anything in the novels themselves that explicit states they're part of a subseries, the ebook metadata, and web pages both say they are "Book 1/2 of the New Management".

Any objections to setting these two - and the upcoming Season of Skulls - up as a "New Management" subseries of Laundry Files? Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 17:57, 20 April 2023 (EDT)

Sounds like a good idea to me. Bob (talk) 08:42, 21 April 2023 (EDT)
Thanks - I'll hold off on any changes for a few days to give the other PVs chance to express any opinions. ErsatzCulture (talk) 09:55, 21 April 2023 (EDT)
This change has now been made, as all 3 PVers were fine with it. Thanks again. ErsatzCulture (talk) 19:34, 23 April 2023 (EDT)

The Nightmare Stacks

Fleshed out the notes and added external IDs to your PVd The Nightmare Stacks.Jim (talk) 11:56, 22 April 2023 (EDT)

Great Monkey Trial; 1 of those archived copies says $6.95 on front flap. Does yours say $7.95 or is it a mistake? --Username (talk) 13:32, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, it's $6.95. Second edition is the higher price. Fixed. Bob (talk) 16:40, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

Time To Scare Gramma; This page,, mentions this story and says "revised". There's something weird about it being so short in the first book and 20 pages in the second, so can you tell us what pages it's on in your PV and whether it has the full title or really has a variant? --Username (talk) 20:23, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

The pages are shown for the story. The full title is "Time to Scare Gramma/(Out of her Skin)", with the second line smaller and less bold. There is no mention of "revised". Bob (talk) 10:11, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

Tarzan and the Castaways; I made a half-dozen edits for Burroughs books, mostly Canaveral editions but also a '65 PB, and this was the only one not on ISFDB so I knocked up a quick clone, but I'm sure after approval you can add a few things if you want to. --Username (talk) 20:04, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

DeBill Story; First 2 stories are the same but "Preditor" is in your PV of HPL, so title may be wrong and it should be "Predator". --Username (talk) 09:19, 11 May 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, I can't spell. Fixed. Bob (talk) 11:28, 11 May 2023 (EDT)

Spectrum 23; I came across this randomly and added a link and corrected ISBN. I think you're the one who PV most of these Spectrum art books so you may want to do something further with it since you're the only one in edit history. EDIT: Adding that note in my edit turned out to be helpful because I thought of checking to see how it was entered in the record and it's wrong,, 2915 instead of 2015. EDIT: Spectrum 21 hardcover is also on so I added a link in an edit. --Username (talk) 18:45, 12 May 2023 (EDT)

The Water Knife

Added a note on the print run on your PVd Water Knife.Jim (talk) 11:58, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

Gary G.; Are they really by Giani or should it be Gianni like his other credits on ISFDB? --Username (talk) 12:18, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

My usual spelling problems. Fixed.Bob (talk) 14:08, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

Strange Plasma issue 8

Centipede Press owner Jerad Walters needs an R. A. Lafferty story in this magazine: He has published seven books of the collected short fiction of Lafferty ("Mad Man", volume 7, just came out) & has issued this request: "I am looking for a very elusive story by R.A. Lafferty, “The Man Who Lost His Magic.” The isfdb says it can be found in the book called The Elliptical Grave, but I have a copy of this and it does not seem to be there. Instead, I am looking for a fanzine called Strange Plasma, issue #8, from 1994. Would anyone be willing to loan me this or scan the R.A. Lafferty story that is inside it?" You are the only PV who has it. He needs the story for the next volume in the series. His email is Thank you. Mike (talk) 08:30, 14 May 2023 (EDT)

I sent a copy of the four pages of the story to Jerad. I'm willing to loan him the 'zine if he needs better copies, but hope the copies I made are sufficient. Bob (talk) 10:22, 14 May 2023 (EDT),346,409664-the_man_who_talled_tales_collected_short_stories_of_r_a_lafferty.html;,347,409664-the_man_who_talled_tales_collected_short_stories_of_r_a_lafferty.html; The story starts partway down p. 346 and ends partway down p. 347. This mammoth (unauthorized?) collection of all his stories has been floating around the web for years. So it will be useful if text differences are suspected or if there are any other missing stories people are looking for. --Username (talk) 10:31, 14 May 2023 (EDT)

SFWA Bulletin, September 1966

Regarding SFWA Bulletin, September 1966: I assume the dates on all of the contents should be 1966 vs the current 1066? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:00, 14 May 2023 (EDT)

Wow, thanks. Fixed. Don't even know how that happened. Bob (talk) 19:33, 14 May 2023 (EDT)

Centipede Press Elric Stories

Regarding Centipede Press Elric Stories: As a publisher specific series, it would seem this would be best as a publisher series and not a title series. Especially as 3131757 needs to be merged with the 20996 and a title record can only be in one series. Thoughts? -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:43, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

I guess I agree. That makes more sense. Bob (talk) 08:50, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
Changes made. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:05, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

Snow Crash 30th anniversary edition

Hi, I only just noticed this came out late last year, and have added the UK edition, and also an updated ebook. From the Amazon preview of the former, and downloading & verifying the latter, these have a new intro and a piece of short fiction at the end, which weren't in the database.

I see B&N reports that US edition also has "never-before-seen material" - whilst being utterly opaque about what that content is, like the listings for the UK edition. You might want to check your PVed US copy to see if has the same extras as those UK pubs, and if so, import them? Note that if that's the case, you'll need to update the title dates on that essay and shortfiction, due to the Tuesday/Thursday US/UK pub date differences. Regards ErsatzCulture (talk) 15:39, 16 May 2023 (EDT)

Imported. Never noticed the addition; thanks. Bob (talk) 13:19, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

Live Free or Die

Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your verified. Annie (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

Thanks! Bob (talk) 13:09, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

BBB; I just did an edit adding link to Telling Stories and publisher is BlackBart on title page and back cover + it's BlackBart Books on copyright page; I'm guessing the editions of the REH book you PV also say BlackBart Books. --Username (talk) 20:02, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

I think Underwood Miller used BlackBart only for Frank Frazetta books they published, not REH books.Bob (talk) 17:00, 25 May 2023 (EDT); It's up to you whether you want to change Frazetta or the other books from Black Bart to BlackBart since you're the PV, I was just pointing out publisher's name is written as 1 word, not 2. --Username (talk) 17:23, 25 May 2023 (EDT)

Fantasy Crossroads #6, November 1975

Please see the first entry in Fantasy Crossroads #6, November 1975. It looks like there is a type on the page number (1`). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:41, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

Fixed. Bob (talk) 21:45, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

Bolo Edition; I saw someone just did a Bolo edit and I was on OL so I looked for links to any editions and found none but there was a weird cover so I looked further and found that Dalby page. I don't know if it's the same as your copy or what but online info about Unakpan Family Library finds nothing except in reference to Bolo. Searching for the word Unakpan on OL did find 1 Nigerian publisher with 1 book published so maybe it's from Nigeria? --Username (talk) 12:18, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

I don't know what the Nigerian edition is, but this was a widely sold edition in the U.S. and England. My guess would be the edition in the Nigerian library is a rebound copy of one of the English language editions. Bob (talk) 21:50, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

Ghosts & Scholars

Hi Bob -

I was starting to add an anthology from Reginald3 and Worldcat by Rosemary Pardoe titled "Ghosts & Scholars: Stories in the Tradition of M.R. James". However, I think it may be the same publication as your verified Ghosts & Scholars, 1979. The secondary sources list the page count as 40 which is in line with our count of 44 since we count covers for magazines. The only other differences are the subtitle for the anthologies, and the publisher, which Reginald and Worldcat have as "Rosemary Pardoe" instead of "Haunted Library". I also noted that Miller/Contento lists this same publication (as a magazine, of course), but also has the publisher as Rosemary Pardoe. They have all subsequent issues as published by Haunted Library. Could you check your copy to see whether there is arguably a subtitle "Stories in the Tradition of M.R. James", and whether we have the publisher correctly listed. It feels like the listings for the anthology are the same as the fanzine. If you agree that they're the same, I'll add the Worldcat and Reginald numbers to that issue. I'm less concerned about the subtitle, since magazines have their own title rules. However, if we have the incorrect publisher, we should probably correct that. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:56, 29 May 2023 (EDT)

The subtitle is common to all of the magazines in the series. Of course Rosemary is the publisher, but "Haunted Library" is given as the publisher in all issues. After something of a hiatus when the publication was on-line only, a few issues came out by Rosemary, but now each issue has a different editor, but Haunted Library is still the publisher.Bob (talk) 09:52, 30 May 2023 (EDT)

Gardens of Fear / Conan the Destroyer; Title month earlier than first edition, intro has no month. EDIT:; Any problem with the fixes in this edit? --Username (talk) 19:27, 30 May 2023 (EDT)

I honestly don't recall the transient verification. So no problem with changes. Bob (talk) 15:06, 31 May 2023 (EDT)

Wrightson, Zavisa - Berni Wrightson: A Look Back

Hello Bob, letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV here. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 01:59, 2 June 2023 (EDT)

Thanks, Kev. Bob (talk) 08:58, 2 June 2023 (EDT)

George E.; I was adding LCCN to his novel Mountain King when I noticed an alternate spelling of his last name; it looks like you entered Psychotic contents so if you have the issue is it Ernsburger with a variant needed or is it Ernsberger? --Username (talk) 11:58, 6 June 2023 (EDT)

The Illustrated Roger Zelazny

Hello Bob, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd pub here. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I make those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 19:56, 8 June 2023 (EDT)

Also added to your The Bells of Shoredan. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 20:36, 8 June 2023 (EDT)

Zelazny - The Courts of Chaos

Hello Bob, could you have a look at this conversation and let me know if you agree with the changes I propose in my last comment. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 18:29, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

SFWA Bulletin, Spring 1974; There may be some errors. H. Bilker should probably be a variant of Harry or Harvey, (and Harry possibly should be Harvey); "Dictics" writer should be McAllister or, if not, a variant; Thomas E. Clareson should be Thomas D. or, if not, a variant; Authur in essay title should be Arthur; note misspells Frederik as Federik. --Username (talk) 10:29, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

Pulp Fiction; I just added link and ID but the Roman numerals mentioned on LoC page are not entered, title page has a different title than what's here, and Grey House Publishing is mentioned on title page, copyright page, and back cover. If your copy is the same you may want to fix those things. --Username (talk) 14:29, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

Tau Zero

You are PV for this edition: I just submitted five web page reviews of this book, & the copyright page statement about the 1967 story in Galaxy mag that the book was based on. Mike (talk) 16:21, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

3xT LCCN links to a different book; it should end with the number 4. --Username (talk) 10:20, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

Golem 100; HC you PV has wrong LCCN entered here, ID goes to a different book, real LCCN in copy on, 79-23137. --Username (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2023 (EDT)


Hi, Bob! There are both, Jean Caroll Engel & Jean Carroll Engel, on pp. 29 & 30 of this fine nonfiction publication. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 10:26, 21 June 2023 (EDT)