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If you're adding a cover image, notes or external id's to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, there's no need to inform me. I will see the change on my recently changed primary verifications. If you're adding other data and explain the source in the notefield, or if you're correcting obvious mistakes and explain in the note to moderator, there's also no need to inform me. This is ONLY for cover images, notes, external id's, additional data and corrections. If you want to change any other field, or ask me something, add a new section to my regular talkpage! Thanks, Willem


Hello, Willem H., and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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The Quest for Saint Camber

There are three missing appendix titles in The Quest for Saint Camber. Would you mind if I add them? Phil 10:09, 1 January 2022 (EST)

For me they are part of the novel, but I have no problem with adding them as separate titles. --Willem 14:15, 1 January 2022 (EST)
Thanks. Would you rather I not bother you about these in the future? I'm sure there will be more. :) Phil 22:10, 1 January 2022 (EST)
You're not bothering me with this. I do want to know about major changes to my verified pubs, but it's not necessary to ask for my permission to add data, when I can see it on my changed primary verifications anyway. Thanks :) --Willem 06:01, 2 January 2022 (EST)


Hello. Re this. A thrird party has notified me that the cover artist (photographer) is Ira Cohen. See this website. --Mavmaramis 11:24, 7 January 2022 (EST)

And another one bites the dust. Thanks! I added the credit, note and link to --Willem 14:34, 7 January 2022 (EST)

Belladonna Nights

Some minor note additions - details documented in Note to Moderators. Let me know if you would disagree. Regards, MagicUnk 10:52, 12 January 2022 (EST)

No problem. I ordered my copy on October 27, 2021 and received it today. Had nearly given up hope... --Willem 14:41, 12 January 2022 (EST)

Out from Ganymede - a content question


I am working to update/correct several entries for "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg" One of the stories is "The Wooden Grenade", which has no previous publication history listed in the ISFDB entry.

I looked at the Acknowledgements (copyright info) in the book, and it states '"The Wooden Grenade" as "The Sense of the Fire" in Escapade; July 1967'.

I would like to update ISFDB to acknowledge that these are the same stories, which actually makes more sense, as I don't see anywhere about a previously unpublished story showing up in "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg".

"The Sense of the Fire" was reprinted in Malzberg's "Out from Ganymede". I've looked around, but have been unable to find a scanned copy.

While I tend to believe that the Acknowledgements (copyright) info from "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg" is correct and that these are the same story, I would be more comfortable if I could confirm that these are actually the same story.

ISFDB lists you as a primary verifier for "Out from Ganymede". Do you have a copy and can you check and let me know what the first sentence is in "The Sense of the Fire" in "Out from Ganymede?" In my library copy of "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg", the first sentence is "Stein, and obsessive, carried a large dummy hand grenade in: the right pocket of his converted Army fatigue jacket". (I do suspect that the copy editing of this "The Very Best of..." is off, as there is punctuation throughout that I find rather incorrect".

If you don't have this, I'll try Don Erikson, who is also a primary verifier.

Thanks.Dave888 00:08, 13 January 2022 (EST)

Nice find. Yes, I still have my copy, and yes, the first line of "The Sense of the Fire" is the same, so "The Wooden Grenade" can be varianted to it. Thanks! --Willem 05:33, 13 January 2022 (EST)
Willem, thanks for your help. I'll take care of this and another "Very Best of" variant issue after I get guidance on which version should be canonical (I have submitted a query to AnnieMod).Dave888 12:50, 13 January 2022 (EST)

Electric Mind

Sorry, I hit approve instead of hold on this submission by mistake. It should have been held to check with you on the change in page number. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:46, 15 January 2022 (EST)

I agree, it should have been held, especially because the source for the change is the contents page. I checked the pub, and this time the edit is ok. Thanks, --Willem 15:27, 15 January 2022 (EST)

French Perry Rhodan

Hi, Willem! I don't have researched if you verified some volumes in the series, but you may be interested and want to take part here. Christian Stonecreek 08:49, 16 January 2022 (EST)

I don't have any French Perry Rhodans in my collection. I do think toy're right about the phase 2 translations. These should be varianted to the German originals. Sorry I can't help. --Willem 13:05, 17 January 2022 (EST)
Thanks anyway, Willem! Perrypedia and the few volumes I do own are also quite clear. Christian Stonecreek 13:17, 17 January 2022 (EST)
Could you please review this discussion on the Moderator Noticeboard, which is related to these Perry Rhodan changes? TIA! Ahasuerus 16:10, 22 January 2022 (EST)

Prologue (Foundation's Edge)

I am creating and PVing a later printing of Foundation's Edge. Whilst adding the Prologue, I noticed that a Title record for it already appears to exist: Prologue (Foundation's Edge) and the only pub record it relates to is the first printing, which you have PVd. The Prologue is recorded as SHORTFICTION but I think it should be ESSAY. The giveaway is this first sentence of a paragraph toward the bottom the first page: "In the Foundation Trilogy, the story of the first four centuries of the Interregnum is told". Can you please check the Prologue in your copy to see if it is the same and let me have your thoughts on changing the Type.
Based on the Last User Activity Date, there are 3 PVs who are still active: Willem H, Taweiss and Nihonjoe, so I have posted this note to all your Talk pages. I am a new editor, so am not sure of the correct etiquette for handling this situation, but it seems desirable to have the whole conversation in one place. So may I suggest you reply on my Talk page. Thanks. Teallach 17:43, 21 January 2022 (EST)

Replied here. --Willem 04:31, 22 January 2022 (EST)

Original publication for two Pat McIntosh "Thula" stories

Hi Willem.

I saw that two Pat McIntosh "Thula" stories that appear in Lin Carter's "The Year's Best Fantasy Stories", Vol 4 and 5, are without any prior publication listed in ISFDB.

I have "Flashing Swords #1", but I don't have those "Year's Best" volumes. I was unable to find scanned copies of those volumes online, but I see that you are a Primary Verifier for both and I hope that means you still have copies.

I have been told that sometimes Lin Carter's "Year's Best" volumes had original stories first published in them.

I would love to be able to update "The Cloak of Dreams" ( and "Child of Air" (, either with a first publication ISFDB title entry or at least a mention in the Notes that they were original to the two "Year's Best" volumes.

I would really appreciate it if you could check the copyright/acknowledgements/whatever info in those two volumes and advise me.

Thanks and best wishes.Dave888 13:29, 24 January 2022 (EST)

Hi Willem. Right after I posted this, a friend sent me a scan of the copyright pages for those two volumes. Yes, those were original publications in the "Year's Best" for those two stories. I will update the Notes for the story.
Already solved I see. Which is good. These books are still stored in a garage box and hard to access. Thanks, --Willem 13:44, 24 January 2022 (EST)

Preface; The Beat Goes On

In Meditations on Middle-Earth, can you double check the title of the preface? The tp uses a colon and not a semicolon as currently entered. I'm assuming someone missed hitting the shift key, but can you double check your hc? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:12, 30 January 2022 (EST)

I guess all verifiers missed that one. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 10:59, 30 January 2022 (EST)

De Hobbit question

Hello Willem,

I have a question regarding entry for 'De Hobbit' published by Prisma Boeken 1960. Record #375482.

On this entry under 'Notes' it claims that the first printing of the book has 529.1 in the gutter code. I haven't seen this written anywhere else, even Tolkien Library doesn't note it and I am wondering now if there were other printings i.e 529.2 etc in 1960 or if they all had 529.1 until it was reprinted again in 1967. It's not really common to list printing history this way in mass markets but I am intrigued to know if it was indeed done for this title!

I know that this book was reprinted many times between 1960-1975, '67 is officially supposed to be the 2nd & 3rd printing of the book, although in these later printings the cover is slightly different etc. Still I am intrigued to know!

Please let me know if you have any further info :-)

Thanks —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bombadil (talkcontribs) .

I don't know why the gutter codes are not noted anywhere else. They are there though, and they are a good source for the printing number. As far as I know there were no other printings of "De Hobbit" between 1960 and the second printing in 1967, which should have 529.2 (if it has one at all, the Prisma series was not very consistent in the use of guttercodes, my 1973 tenth printing has no gutter code at all). I have always assumed Tolkien was not very popular in the Netherlands until after the Prisma editions of "In de ban van de ring" appeared in 1965. Hope this helps a little. Thanks, --Willem 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)

Glory Season

Added map to Contents of Glory Season . Teallach 13:23, 6 February 2022 (EST)

Submission approved. You can proceed with the merge. Thanks, --Willem 14:58, 6 February 2022 (EST)

Beyond Eden

Would this be enough to edit the publication date to the more precise: 1955-04-21?
Review copy note found inside pb edition: [1]
It mentions both the pb and the hc edition. --Spacecow 07:19, 12 February 2022 (EST)

Yes, that's certainly enough (for both editions). Be sure to add pub notes referring to this note. Thanks! --Willem 15:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)


As there are no notes for Radix, I would like to add the following ones before I PV:
"Bantam Spectra edition / October 1985"
First printing per printer's key: O 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Cover artist credited in the "Acknowlegements" and per "Cover copyright © 1985 by Fred Marcellino" on the copyright page.
Map artist credited in the "Acknowlegements".
C$4.50 in Canada.

In addition:
Change page count to [12]+466
Add map title on page [12]
Add title "Appendix (Radix)" on page 449

Thanks! Phil 07:23, 19 February 2022 (EST)

I have no problem with these changes. Thanks! --Willem 14:06, 19 February 2022 (EST)

The Girl from the Emeraline Island

Does your copy of The Girl from the Emeraline Island show "First Edition: May 1984" and no number line on the copyright page? I want to replace the "1st printing" note with those notes, plus add the map title on page [9] and change the page count to [10]+274 before I PV. Would that be OK? Phil 08:49, 26 February 2022 (EST)

Yes and yes and yes! Please do. Thanks, --Willem 09:21, 26 February 2022 (EST)

Millennium by Bova

Would you please check the title page of your copy of Millennium and see if it actually reads "Millennium" over "A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999"? My first printing copy shows that so I would like to correct the title to be "Millennium: A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999", plus replace the note with "First Ballantine Book Edition: April 1997" and "No printer's key.", and add the note "Cover art by Joseph Csatari on the copyright page".

If that is OK, I propose to then:
1. Unmerge this pub, this pub, and this pub from the existing title.
2. Make the resulting new title the cannonical title by making the existing title a variant of the new title since the new one is the oldest title.
3. Merge the three pubs named "Millennium: A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999" together.

Would all of this be OK with you? Phil 12:19, 26 February 2022 (EST)

The phrase "A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999" is indeed on the titlepage, but I don't think it's meant to be a subtitle, more an explanation of what the novel is about. The phrase is also separated from the title by a horizontal line. I would like to keep it the way it is, but will not protest if a majority wants it the other way. Thanks, --Willem 14:46, 26 February 2022 (EST)
That's a great point I hadn't considered. Let's see how Dirk and Dsorgen reply. I'm not that committed to doing the work to implement my suggested change. Even if we leave it as simply "Millenium", there are still two verified pubs that have the longer name. At some point, someone will want to resolve that issue. Phil 17:58, 26 February 2022 (EST)

Space Relations full title

Would you please look at the title page for this and see if it actually reads "Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale" instead of just "Space Relations"? All of the external ID records for this pub show the long form. Thanks! Phil 16:28, 2 March 2022 (EST)

Yes, my copy has the full title on the title page. --Willem 16:40, 2 March 2022 (EST)

Michaël Winkel

Hi Willem, I've updated the author record from Michael Winkel to Michaël Winkel (as written on the copyright page of De glazen boom). The consequence is is that the artist's name is also updated in all other title records (as listed here). Could you check the spelling of the author's name in the books you have? Thanks! MagicUnk 04:54, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Sorry, can't do that anymore. I had to sell 1000 Dutch paperbacks and hardcovers (the house was full). This included the complete Gradivus series. I'm now moving my verifications to transient. I think it's safe to assume that the " is present in all these books (only Gradivus has him). Thanks, --Willem 05:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Thanks Willem. That would be my thought as well. (and I was wondering why you had these transiently verified - now I know :)) MagicUnk 06:49, 3 March 2022 (EST)

Masterpieces of Fantasy Art

Hi Willem

If you've no objections, I'd like to add the content to Dian Hanson's Masterpieces of Fantasy Art. Additionally, I'll get a better scan of the cover than the Amazon image. I'm coming to a good point to pause one of my other projects and thought I'd tackle this. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:46, 15 March 2022 (EDT)

If you want to do this, please do! Content for any of my artbook pv's is always welcome. Thanks! --Willem 15:36, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
I've finished with the Hanson book. In the course of working on it, I found the The Art of the Brothers Hildebrandt is also lacking content. I was also surprised that I hadn't verified this book, as I've had a copy since I was a teenager. In any case, I'm going to go ahead and work on this one next, especially so that I can link the shared pieces with the Hanson book. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:59, 2 April 2022 (EDT)

Pyramid Giant

As a verifier of a Pyramid Giant publication. Would you please see this conversation. The question is whether Pyramid Giant is a publisher or a pub series or both. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)

Added my 2c there. --Willem 07:30, 19 March 2022 (EDT)

Red Moon and Black Mountain SFBC edition

Would you please look at the title page of your copy of Red Moon and Black Mountain and see if it shows "Red Moon" over "and" over "Black Mountain" in large lettering over "The End of the House of Kendreth" in smaller lettering? If it does, it matches my copy so I think the title should be changed to "Red Moon and Black Mountain: The End of the House of Kendreth". I'm willing to make the change since I need to make the same title change to the Ballantine pb first printing. (Ref: [2]). Thanks! Phil 14:40, 20 March 2022 (EDT)

Yes, the subtitle is on the titlepage of my copy, so go ahead. Thanks! --Willem 15:12, 20 March 2022 (EDT)

The Blue Hawk

For The Blue Hawk, would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! Phil 11:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

Good find! The change is correct. Thanks, --Willem 15:25, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

The High Couch of Silistra

Hi, Willem. Could you check your copy of The Fantastic Art of Boris Vallejo and verify that "Silistra" is spelled like that, not "Silestra"?--Rosab618 19:48, 25 March 2022 (EDT)

It's Silistra. Added my 2c on your talkpage. Thanks! --Willem 15:40, 26 March 2022 (EDT)

Cover Art for Ruimtesprong naar Moran

Hi Willem, the pub Ruimtesprong naar Moran actually displays Manfred Schneider's signature in the cover's lower right. It's only the remaining covers that look like Schneider's but show now other evidence. Cheers, John - JLochhas 01:16, 4 April 2022 (EDT)

I plead temporary blindness. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 15:53, 8 April 2022 (EDT)

The Tsaddik of the Seven Wonders

For The Tsaddik of the Seven Wonders, would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Printing: December, 1971" and "No printer's key" before I PV? Thanks! Phil 14:59, 8 April 2022 (EDT)

I have no problem with changes like that. Thanks, --Willem 15:54, 8 April 2022 (EDT)

House of the Hatchet; I changed cover artist to C. Achilleos per back cover on FantLab. --Username 23:01, 10 April 2022 (EDT)

Approved and varianted. Thanks, --Willem 04:14, 11 April 2022 (EDT)

Strange Things in Close-Up

Would you mind double checking the story on page 80 of Strange Things in Close-Up? Per the Internet Archive scan, the version in this pub should have a comma after World and no period at the end. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2022 (EDT)

You're absolutely right. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 02:45, 26 April 2022 (EDT)

The Revisionists

Hi. You verified the 2011 first edition from Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company, a record verified by inactive editor Teddybear long ago. We use "Little, Brown" rather than its fullname for the US company and its descendant division or imprint, including as Mulholland Books / Little, Brown. I would truncate the publisher name myself, and thus eliminate the fullname from the database (one update of unverified publication is in the queue), with report at Moderator noticeboard because two earlier PVerifiers are inactive. But:

You should revisit that record yourself because there is an obvious error in the Note, first item.

"First Edition: September 2017"

Presumably that is a quotation from the book and should be 2011. --Pwendt|talk 11:35, 26 April 2022 (EDT)

Thanks for this. I merged the two publishers, so Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company is gone now. Also corrected the note, I probably didn't notice this when verifying. :) --Willem 14:52, 26 April 2022 (EDT)

Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe

Willem, Hello again from Boston, now May Day 2022. You verified one undated printing of Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe T2163025. Working this hour from our record of 2001 first ed./printing, I submitted 15 Title Update, namely:

Spelling (3)

• Sir Gawain & the Green Knight, Pearl and Sir Ofreo • The Wtcher in the Water • Shalob's Lair

Capitals (12)

• After a hot afternoon of photos • Fourteenth-century archer [2] • Fourteenth-century archer • Boar hunting • Shelob about to leap on Frodo • road to Caradhras • Gollum Vignette • Shire Vignette • Earthdawn: Throal, The Dwarf Kingdom • The Knight battles two Giants • Melkor Calls forth Ungoliante • Knight on airplane wing
I did not change "-century" (a rule I would need to look up), only "archer". The submissions queue is quite long --my own date from -04-26 but someday soon you might revisit the publication record and scan its Contents.

By the way, do you know whether all of the INTERIORART in this John Howe collection are previously published? I submitted a Title Note for only one of the 15, if i recall correctly, namely "The Knight Battles Two Giants" submission. One or both picture books may be in the submission queue if not the database before you read this. --Pwendt|talk 15:51, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

Thanks for all this work. I only imported the contents from Bob's edition, and simply didn't (don't) have the time to check every title. Approved your submissions, and placed "vignette" in brackets for Gollum and Shire. The help text under "case" is clear about hyphenated words. They have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized (I corrected the two Fourteenth-Century Archers).
For a number of illustrations the original publication is cited, I think Bob did a great job in varianting so many and I have no idea about previous publications of Howe's work. Bob might know more. Thanks again, --Willem 16:56, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

Aldiss / Helliconia Summer

I am editing / PVing Aldiss's Helliconia Summer. I will add sourced, additional information but want to advise you of two changes I am proposing: 1) change author's name from "Brian W. Aldiss" to "Brian Aldiss" as per title page 2) delete the Coverart content reference because Mon Mohan is only the designer. I will add a pub note: "Jacket design by Mon Mohan, reproducing a Saftleven landscape" on rear dust jacket flap. Are you ok with these changes? Teallach 18:08, 3 May 2022 (EDT)

I should have seen that when verifying. Please do. Thanks! --Willem 04:14, 4 May 2022 (EDT)

Aldiss / Helliconia Winter

I am editing / PVing Aldiss's Helliconia Winter. I will add sourced, additional information but am also proposing to remove the "Helliconia (map)" content record and import the existing "Helliconia Winter (map)" because there are slight differences between the maps in the Cape editions of Summer and Winter. I will add a note about this. As I have verified the price from my copy, would you like me to delete your note: "P2 ver. copy has the price clipped off." or would you prefer to leave it in? Teallach 17:40, 5 May 2022 (EDT)

Sounds good to me, so go ahead. I would like to keep my note about the price though. It can't be verified from my copy. Thanks! --Willem 04:09, 6 May 2022 (EDT)
No problem. I'll leave your price clip note as it is. Teallach 14:02, 6 May 2022 (EDT)

New Writings in SF 28

Cover art for this is almost certanly Joe Petagno comparing it to other covers featuring his work. --Mavmaramis 11:55, 12 May 2022 (EDT)

Agreed. You already added the note about Petagno in 2015, and I still can't find any proof. --Willem 14:04, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
So I did. I'd totally forgotten I'd done that. --Mavmaramis 12:15, 13 May 2022 (EDT)

Myth & Magic

You're listed as a PV for this 4th edition of Myth & Magic. The pub notes say "C$29.99 in Canada". I also have a 4th printing, but my copy shows "CAN $43.95" on the front dust jacket flap. Will you check your copy to verify what price is listed there for Canada in your copy? Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:05, 12 May 2022 (EDT)

Are you sure you have a UK edition of the book? I did a temporary upload of the copyright page and the price from my copy (backcover of dustjacket) so you can compare them (I'll delete them after your response here). The price is also printed on the front flap of the dustjacket and the backcover of the book itself. Hope that helps. --Willem 05:04, 13 May 2022 (EDT)
I'm pretty sure it had the price in pounds first. I'll check when I get home. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:56, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
Here are pics of the one I have. As far as I can tell, it's one from the UK, but the copyright page is different than yours.
Maybe there are two different versions of the fourth printing somehow? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:43, 25 May 2022 (EDT)
Amazing. A lot of differences, website, printer, notation of the numberline and more, I only now noticed even the frontcover of my copy is different (it has a reference to the Hobbit films). I uploaded a scan of my copy and added some notes (doubting that mine is an actual 4th printing). Perhaps it's best that you clone Biomassbob's second printing for your edition. Thanks! --Willem 14:47, 25 May 2022 (EDT)
I've cloned mine off the original release here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:20, 25 May 2022 (EDT)
I've also linked the two versions so people can easily find them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:23, 25 May 2022 (EDT)

Justin Leiber titles

For The Sword and the Eye, would you mind if I add the map on page 7?

For The Sword and the Tower, would you mind if I change the page count to [8]+216 and add the map on page [7]?

Thanks! Phil 09:27, 25 May 2022 (EDT)

Please do. Seems I forgot to add the maps. Thanks! --Willem 14:17, 25 May 2022 (EDT)


For Watchtower, would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to [12]+226
2. Add interiorart title "Watchtower (map)" by uncredited on page [7]
3. Add interiorart title "Watchtower" by uncredited on page [9]
4. Add essay title "Appendix: The Cards of Fortune (Watchtower)" by uncredited on page 223

Thanks! Phil 16:17, 30 May 2022 (EDT)

No problem, go ahead. --Willem 05:11, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

The Dancers of Arun

For The Dancers of Arun would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to [10]+275
2. Add interiorart title "The Dancers of Arun (map)" on page [7]
3. Add interiorart title "The Dancers of Arun" on page [9]
4. Add relevant notes.

Thanks! Phil 16:43, 30 May 2022 (EDT)

No problem, go ahead. --Willem 05:12, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

The Northern Girl

For The Northern Girl, would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to [14]+415
2. Import title "The Northern Girl (maps)" on page [9]
3. Add essay title "Appendices (The Northern Girl)" by uncredited on page 409
4. Add relevant notes

Thanks! Phil 17:04, 30 May 2022 (EDT)

No problem, go ahead. --Willem 05:12, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

The Third Eagle

On the title page of my copy of The Third Eagle there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change or is this something you should do as the original PV for this pub? Phil 07:24, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

Good find! Please proceed. Thanks! --Willem 15:21, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

Het rijk van het atoom / De tovenaar van Linn

Cover art for this is Jerome Podwil. Same art as this. --Mavmaramis 17:37, 2 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks for finding this. --Willem 04:26, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
Stylistically it's obviously Jerome Podwil, but I've never seen a good source or signature to clinch it. Horzel 06:07, 17 June 2022 (EDT)

WW ID; 13200 ID added. --Username 01:48, 4 June 2022 (EDT)

ok. --Willem 04:26, 17 June 2022 (EDT)


For Dragonsong, would you mind if I import the title Foreword on page ix? Thanks! Phil 08:41, 16 June 2022 (EDT)

No problem. Go ahead. Thanks, --Willem 04:27, 17 June 2022 (EDT)

Space Opera

Added cover artist Eddie Jones to this, same cover art as on Das Schiff von Atlantis. Horzel 10:33, 18 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks! and approved. --Willem 15:51, 18 June 2022 (EDT)

Sociology of the Possible; There's a 6th printing on which says the excerpt from Samuel Butler is Erewhon. Does your copy say the same and the title was just entered incorrectly here or was it actually misspelled in the 1st printing? --Username 19:21, 18 June 2022 (EDT)

Yes, it's actually spelled as "Erehwon". I added a note. --Willem 14:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)
I noticed has another copy, uploaded in September 2020, which doesn't show up on Open Library, that turned out to be the first edition you PV, so I've added an edit with the Archive link. There's also a 1977 "2d ed." on OL and LCCN whose page counts, both Roman and regular, differ, so I don't know where that fits in. --Username 18:36, 19 June 2022 (EDT)

Unites States; 2 Walker publications have a note saying "Unites States"; I fixed one because there's an Archive copy but this book doesn't have one; the other PV for this book died so I'll ask you to check if it really says Unites or if it's United. --Username 12:21, 19 June 2022 (EDT)

Just a typo. Corrected now. --Willem 14:48, 19 June 2022 (EDT)

Larry Niven / The Magic Goes Away

I am PVing and editing the limited ed hc of The Magic Goes Away. I will change the page count which brings it in line with the page count of the tp version. I have verified that this count is also correct for the hc. I will also add my usual extensive notes. I will leave your comment: "PV1 copy is signed by Niven, but not numbered" as it is. Incidentally, my copy is both signed and numbered. Teallach 19:01, 25 June 2022 (EDT)

No problem. Go ahead. Thanks! --Willem 03:18, 26 June 2022 (EDT)

Larry Niven / Limits

I am PVing and editing the US version of Limits. The ISFDb pub record has the story "Folk Tale" on p205, whereas in my copy of the book it is "Table Manners" both on p205 and in the TOC. The latter is a variant title of the former. Can you please check your copy and advise. If it is consistent with mine then I will make the appropriate change. I have posted this note on the talk pages of Willem H, Dirk P Broer & GlennMcG. Teallach 16:47, 27 June 2022 (EDT)

My copy has "Folk Tale" on page 205 and the toc. Does your copy also state "First Edition: February 1985" on the copyright page? --Willem 14:11, 28 June 2022 (EDT)
My copy is priced $2.95 and states "First Edition: February 1985" on copyright page. There is no numberline and no mention of additional printings. Everything about it precisely matches the info in the pub record to which I linked... apart from the title of the Folk Tale / Table Manners story. Teallach 08:08, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
Amazing. So there are two different first editions. The best thing to do is clone the existing pub and in the new one replace "Folk Tale" with "Table Manners" (with a note explaining the difference of course). Thanks! --Willem 13:52, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
We have a conclusion so I am posting this note on all your talk pages (Willem H, Dirk P Broer and GlennMcG). It is quite bizarre: there are two versions of the first printing. Willem H and GlennMcG have the version with "Folk Tale" on p205 whereas Dirk P Broer and I have the version with "Table Manners" on p205. I will clone the existing record, alter it to show the "Table Manners" title and add a pub note explaining the difference between the two versions. Then I will edit the original record and add a corresponding pub note. This should help to prevent a future editor thinking that these are duplicate records and deleting one of them. Thank you all for your help in resolving this matter. Teallach 16:44, 30 June 2022 (EDT)

Land Beyond the Map

Now that the original art (apparently unsigned, alas) of Land Beyond the Map is shown at comicartfans by Glynn Crain, and credited to John Schoenherr, thus agreeing with Ian Schoenherr's statement (see publication note), I'd like to change the cover art credit from Jerome Podwil to John Schoenherr. Would you agree? Horzel 16:49, 28 June 2022 (EDT)

I have no objections to the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:40, 28 June 2022 (EDT)
No objections from me either. Thanks. --Willem 03:01, 29 June 2022 (EDT)

To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records

It looks like you and Stonecreek have duplicate records for the 4th printing of ISBN 0-553-57538-4. Please see 351641 and 351116. I will point Stonecreek to this conversation as well. If you two could work out if these are truly duplicates and consolidate to one, it would be appreciated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)

Hi, Willem. I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than yours (on 2011-05-05). Christian Stonecreek 15:29, 9 July 2022 (EDT)
Looks like the right solution. Thanks, --Willem 11:32, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
One afterthought: Should ", or How We Found the Bishop's Bird Stump at Last" better be added to the publication's title? Christian Stonecreek 14:24, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
Probably, yes. I'll look at the titlepage when I'm home again sunday. --Willem 17:18, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
The titlepage has the subtitle, so I added it. Thanks! --Willem 14:32, 17 July 2022 (EDT)

Lost Realms Reginald Verification

Hi Willem -

You've marked your verified trade paperback publication of Lost Realms with a Reginald3 verification. It looks like Reginald lists the hardcover printing. I've added the Reginald ID to that one, but have left the Reginald3 verification open in case you'd like to move your verification there. I do note that the HC publication has a later date and a note to that effect. It looks like the note and the date change was added by Mhhutchins back in 2009. The secondary sources all have the 1984 date. I'm not sure of his source, or whether it would apply to the paperback as well. In any case, I've let the date and the note stand. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:30, 11 July 2022 (EDT)

I'm on a short vacation at the moment. Will look at the pub/Reginald3 next sunday. Thanks, --Willem 11:36, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
You were absolutely right (of course). I moved the Reginald3 verification to the hardcover. I.m.o. the publication dates can be correct. Locus1 has the paperback as a 1984 publication, the hardcover is mentioned as "also available", but "not seen" so it could have been published later. Thanks, --Willem 14:43, 17 July 2022 (EDT)

DUTCH Woodroffe Edition; No cover so I added it from this page,, and there's other photos including the back cover, in case there's any extra info you could add from them. Amazon wrote the wrong publisher, though. --Username 12:25, 13 July 2022 (EDT)

F.y.i., there is a quite obvious difference between Dutch and German. The image is correct, so it can be approved by one of the moderators still working on your submissions. --Willem 14:48, 17 July 2022 (EDT)
Still the same charmer, I see. FYI, the language mistake is irrelevant, the salient point is you're the PV and so per ISFDB rules I'm supposed to contact you regarding any changes, which is what I did, and I thought you'd like to know there's a photo of the back cover available in case your copy was damaged or heavily stickered and some or all of the info was illegible, because unlike you I don't care if I like the person I'm contacting; correcting old info or entering new info is all that matters here. Try to remember that the next time I contact you, Boze Man. You're welcome. --Username 18:44, 17 July 2022 (EDT)
Try to read the message in yellow at the top of this page. --Willem 10:30, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
I read the part where it says, "if you want to ask me something", which I did when I asked if any info on Amazon's back cover could be used by you in case, as often happens, a PV copy is damaged or covered with price tags/library stickers. You seem to have a problem with anyone disagreeing with something you entered, as was obvious from my first contact with you last year about Wellspring and your recent embarrassingly lengthy and hostile argument with Stonecreek about some minor M.Z. Bradley story length issue, which I had to contact a mod about in order to stop you from filling screen after screen with it. I'll say it again: all that matters to me re: ISFDB is correcting or entering info, and whether I like the person I'm contacting, which I don't in most cases based on my personal interaction with them or the way they interact with others here, not to mention the quality of their editing, means nothing. So whatever problem you have with me, when I contact you with something related to this site try to answer without sarcasm or anger. --Username 10:51, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

Thomas M. Disch / 334

I am editing / PVing 334. A couple of points: 1) The story starting on page 85 is actually titled "Emancipation" (variant title) whereas the pub record currently has "Emancipation: A Romance of the Times to Come" (parent title) so I will correct this. 2) The rear dj flap states "Computer picture by courtesy of Control Data International" and "Jacket design by Michael Hasted" so, as he's credited as the designer, not artist, I'm not sure he ought to have a Coverart record. This is somewhat subjective as the photo of the computer has clearly been modified to include the doorway. I don't have a strong opinion either way. Do you think we should leave the Coverart record or remove it? Teallach 14:48, 20 July 2022 (EDT)

1) I must have missed the title when verifying. The best way to do this is to remove the current title, and import the correct one.
2) I think this is one of the exceptions, where the designer also did (parts of) the cover art. I would like to keep the credit. The note probably needs to be a bit clearer. Thanks for this! --Willem 10:27, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
That's fine. I will leave the Coverart record alone, add the quotes from the rear dj flap to the pub notes and correct the title of Emancipation. I have just submitted the first edit. Teallach 13:42, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
First edit is approved. Thanks, --Willem 15:28, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

What Mad Universe

I own this edition from 1954:
I was gonna add a late Swedish translation from 1975 and I noticed that
my Swedish translation had changed the year of the first attempt of sending
a rocket to the moon from 1954 (in my 1954 edition) to 1959 (in what I assume
is an attempt to more closely reflect real events?).

I noticed that you own multiple English copies of this title, past and post 1959
and I was just curious if this change of year happened already in the English
versions, or if this is yet again a case of an insincere Swedish translator.

The section of the moon rocket is mentioned already on the first page.
--Spacecow 14:21, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

I checked the editions I own, and all of them have 1954 as the year of the first attempt. Your idea may be right, and it's certainly worth a note. The first Swedish translation in the database is from 1959, and may be the origin of this date change. Hope this helps.--Willem 15:42, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
Very interesting. I cannot speak for the 1959 translation, but I will add a note
to the 1975 translation about the date of the moon rocket.
Thanks for checking :) --Spacecow 15:51, 21 July 2022 (EDT)

Asimov's Nine Tomorrows et al.

Hi Willem. I have here a copy of the July 1960 Bantam edition, similar to this one, except that copyright page states “published simultaneously in the US and Canada". Does your copy have the same statement ? In which case, I'll upgrade the notes. If not, I'll have to make a variant of it, as the other 1960 one only has “in Canada”. TIA, Linguist 06:50, 28 July 2022 (EDT).

Same thing for Sheckley's Pilgrimage to Earth, and I suppose many others. I also suppose now that it has been a common practice on this db to duplicate a pub with two different countries of publication, though I find this a bit odd and confusing. If this is the case, I'll just verify both versions, although I can't say I approve of the idea ! Cheers, Linguist 08:02, 28 July 2022 (EDT).
Hi Dominique. I remember Bluesman did a lot (thousands?) of those (he lives in Canada). It is kind of logical to treat these as two different publications, since there is a difference in the copyright pages. My copy of Nine Tomorrows has the statement "Printed in the United Stated of America" at the bottom of the copyright page (between the horizontal lines) and Pilgrimage to Earth also at the bottom of the copyright page, next to last line. Hope that helps. --Willem 14:41, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
Thanks Willem, I'll go along with that. My mistake, actually : I was set on the 1959 copyright and the joint US / Canada publication for some obscure reason, and didn't nocice the bit between the lines. Must be either old age or too much booze… Thanks again, Linguist 15:54, 28 July 2022 (EDT).

Tuck Numbering

Hi Willem

Another editor has changed the page count for Tuck Volume 2 and Tuck Volume 3 from (8)+(244) to [8]+244 and (8)+(389) to [8]+389 respectively. The page numbering continues across all three volumes of Tuck and I suspect that was the reason for the non-standard numbering. These volumes also have a note explaining the continued numbering of those pages for the Arabic numbers. I don't think that the bracketed count for the pages with Roman numbers is correct. The brackets imply that the pages are not numbered. I would like to change the page count to give the number of pages using Roman numbers (viii+244 for 2 and viii+389 for 3) I would also update the note to explain the continued numbering ([xiii] to xx for 2 and [xxi] to xxviii for 3). I would also adjust the note for Volume 3 to indicate the start of the Arabic numbered pages as [231] (the page that would be 231 is a section title page and has no number). You have verified one or both of these books. Would you have any objections to my proposed changes? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:46, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

I think Dirk was working on the cleanup report for "Publications with an Invalid Page Count". Your solution is better, so no objections (I assume you mean 531 for the start of volume III). Thanks! --Willem 14:22, 31 July 2022 (EDT)

The Starfollowers of Coramonde

For The Starfollowers of Coramonde, would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to [6]+361
2. Import the map title (record 1406573) on page [6] plus fix the map title date
3. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: February 1979" and "No printer's key so first printing assumed." notes.
4. Add LCCN
5. Add notes for cover artist, map artist, LCCN

Thanks! Phil 13:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

No problem, please go ahead. Thanks, --Willem 14:27, 31 July 2022 (EDT)

The Color of Neanderthal Eyes

Hello. Could you double check the cover art credit for this. Certain the credit for Dave Archer is wrong. The planets on the red background is the rear portion of this rotated clockwise 90 degrees. --Mavmaramis 16:41, 1 August 2022 (EDT)

You're absolutely right. David Archer is credited on the copyright page though, so I changed the credit to "David Archer in error" and varianted the title to Before the Golden Age Volume Four. Thanks! --Willem 15:41, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
Thanks Willem. --Mavmaramis 16:19, 3 August 2022 (EDT)

Chocky catalog ID

My copy of Chocky has catalog ID U6119. Yours? --Glenn 03:05, 2 August 2022 (EDT)

Mine too. Probably an ancient typo. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 15:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)

John Carter of Mars

Cover art for this is definately not Breuce Pennington but Richard Clifton-Dey as noted on BP's Fan based Facebook site here --Mavmaramis 16:20, 2 August 2022 (EDT)

Thanks for the info. I added the link to the notes. --Willem 14:40, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
No problem. The error came because the cover is shown on an archived version of Pennington's website but subsequently removed from the current website. The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Facebook page pointed me to the image on BP's fan FB post. --Mavmaramis 16:22, 3 August 2022 (EDT)

Edmund Cooper / Deadly Image

Posted on the talk pages of: Willem H, GlennMcG, Spacecow
I will be editing and PVing Deadly Image and propose to:
1) update date to 1958-05-00, add pub note stating source which is the 1969 Ballantine second printing and update date on title and coverart records
2) add pub note advising that the 1958 UK Hutchinson hc states that it is preceded by this edition
3) delete the Clute/Nichols (sic) reference in accordance with my post: 'Clute/Nicholls and "First Edition"' on the Moderators' Noticeboard dated 3 April 2022 (now archived)
Are you ok with all this? Teallach 18:08, 15 August 2022 (EDT)

No problem here. Thanks! --Willem 15:16, 16 August 2022 (EDT)

Edmund Cooper / Tomorrow's Gift

Posted on the talk pages of: Kraang, Willem H, Dirk P Broer, GlennMcG, Spacecow
I will be editing and PVing Tomorrow's Gift
1) the pub record has a contents entry "Brain Child". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 63 is "The Brain Child"
2) the pub record has a contents entry "M81-Ursa Major". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 95 is "M81: Ursa Major"
I will make the appropriate corrections and add pub notes regarding the discrepancies with the TOC Teallach 17:54, 16 August 2022 (EDT)

Correct changes. No problem here. Thanks! --Willem 09:27, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

New Writings in SF-18

Cover artist of this is Dean Ellis, see grapefruitmoongallery. Horzel 18:07, 16 August 2022 (EDT)

Thanks! Edit approved. --Willem 09:39, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

Publisher for The Architecture of Desire

Hi Willem

While adding some secondary IDs to your verified record of Mary Gentle's The Architecture of Desire, I noticed that Reginald and Worldcat list the publisher as Bantam Press as opposed to Bantam Books (UK) as is listed in the record and in Locus1. With the descriptions on the the two publishers, it seems more likely that this is Bantam Press. Could you double check the book and change the publisher if we've got it wrong? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:55, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

It's indeed "Bantam Press" on the title and copyrightpage. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 05:05, 18 August 2022 (EDT)

In the Wrong Hands

For In the Wrong Hands, I added the title for the drawing on page ix. Phil 08:19, 18 August 2022 (EDT)

And approved. Thanks! --Willem 10:24, 18 August 2022 (EDT)

De fatale zeven dagen

Hi, I think there's a signature 'Thole' in the lower left corner, of this, but I'd need a better scan to be certain. Compare to for example De Laatste Tocht. Horzel 15:32, 3 September 2022 (EDT)

It's certainly the same signature. If you want to add the credit, be my guest. this one also has a similar signature. Thanks! --Willem 16:21, 3 September 2022 (EDT)

Steps to Midnight; 1993 Forge had Seven, but it's 7, so I fixed that and had no need to contact PV because they're long-gone, but 2003 Forge was PV by you, so I fixed your title, too, and cover art title and added the Archive link. The variant situation should probably be fixed because there's probably no edition that actually has Seven on the title page. --Username 11:06, 5 September 2022 (EDT)

Edmund Cooper / Jupiter Laughs and Other Stories

I am editing and PVing Jupiter Laughs and Other Stories. A couple of points:
A) Two different ISBNs are stated in this pub: 0 340 24548 4 on the copyright page and 0 340 22458 4 on the rear flap. Both are valid ISBNs and, following a bit of internet research, neither seems to be assigned to another book so neither is obviously wrong. Worldcat lists both ISBNs under the same entry; British Library only lists 0 340 22458 4. I will add pub notes about all this and propose to change the ISBN field to contain the ISBN stated on the copyright page as I think that should take precedence over the rear flap.
B) ISFDb lists the story on page 133 as "M81: Ursa Major" (no space before "81") but it should be "M 81: Ursa Major" (space before "81") so I propose to import the latter and remove the former. Very pedantic, I know, but the ISFDb help notes state that spaces constitute a different title. NB: both of these titles are variants and already exist.
Is all this ok with you? Teallach (talk) 17:31, 14 September 2022 (EDT)

Sorry for the late response. I checked my copy and you're right on both counts, so I agree with these changes. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 15:11, 15 September 2022 (EDT)

Encounter Three; 4 PV, 2 active, 1 of which is not able to check books because they're moving, so you can tell me if your copy ends on 371, not 372; I added Archive link and the only thing on 372 is an ad. --Username (talk) 08:04, 20 September 2022 (EDT)

Perhaps the scanner forgot the last page? Page 372 is present in my copy, and has the last four lines of the novel. The first ad is on page 373 (not numbered). Accepted your edit and corrected the page count. You should not submit changes like this until after the pv agrees. --Willem (talk) 15:04, 20 September 2022 (EDT)

Infinite Worlds; I added FantLab ID to Virgin edition; it shows many photos including the foreword, which has a title: one thousand giant steps for mankind. You PV Penguin, so if it has that title in that edition then it should be entered here; there's less than a handful of online sites besides FantLab that actually list the full title instead of just foreword. --Username (talk) 11:39, 20 September 2022 (EDT)

It's in my edition too. Corrected now. --Willem (talk) 14:53, 20 September 2022 (EDT)

De Speekselboom

I found the original of the cover art of this on pinterest with a small signature at left bottom that looks like Karel Thole's signature. (Who else could it be?) Horzel (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2022 (EDT)

Thanks! Artist added (indeed, who else...) --Willem (talk) 16:42, 27 September 2022 (EDT)

John Varley / Titan (map & diagram)

I am drawing your attention to this topic on the Community Portal which affects a pub that you have PVd. Teallach (talk) 18:30, 26 September 2022 (EDT)

Added my 2c there. --Willem (talk) 16:43, 27 September 2022 (EDT)

Prelude to Space cover art

I think the cover artist here is John Bunch. The signature seems to be a match to his other covers. Do you agree? --Rosab618 (talk) 23:10, 28 September 2022 (EDT)

Agreed, and changed. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 04:51, 5 October 2022 (EDT)

Return to Eden

Hi I notice that many of the publication records of Return to Eden contain the appendix, The World West of Eden as well as the prolog and the map as separate entries, so in the interest of consistency I'd like to add them to the contents of the publication you verified if that's OK. Thanks. gzuckier (talk) 00:58, 5 October 2022 (EDT)

"The World West of Eden": I believe this is present in every edition of the three Eden books. Except for the German and Italian editions, it's now added to no edition of "West of Eden", only one of "Winter in Eden" and two of "Return to Eden". If you want to add it as a separate entry, go ahead (but should it then not be in every edition of the three books?).
The Prolog: This I also believe to be present in every edition of the three Eden books, and it is added as a separate entry only in two editions of "West of Eden" (see here). I.m.o. it should be removed from these two and be considered as part of the novel(s).
The map: I didn't find a map in any of the three novels, and also not in the database. This Italian edition has the interior art as (map), but I think that's a mistake. Hope this makes sense. --Willem (talk) 05:39, 5 October 2022 (EDT)

Charles Sheffield / The Nimrod Hunt

Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Ahasuerus, Willem H., GlennMcG
I am editing and PVing The Nimrod Hunt. There is a pub note stating "Price in Canada: C$4.95". My copy has no Canadian price. Is there a Canadian price on your copy? If we all agree there is not then I will delete this note. I also propose to add a pub note about the discrepancy in the heading of the excerpt on page [407]. This states "...coming in July 1985..." despite Nimrod Hunt being published in August 1986. Teallach (talk) 13:58, 13 October 2022 (EDT)

Indeed, no Canadian price. It should have been removed when a separate record for the Canadian edition was made. See also this discussion from 2008. It's always good to add notes about discrepancies, so please do. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 14:25, 13 October 2022 (EDT)
Excellent: we have 100% agreement amongst the four of us. I have just submitted the edit to make the changes as per my original proposal and have also added the "Not to be confused..." note suggested by Ahasuerus. Teallach (talk) 16:11, 13 October 2022 (EDT)

Vernor Vinge / The Peace War

I am editing and PVing The Peace War. I will import the existing record for the excerpt of "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield which appears in the unnumbered pages at the end of the book and will adjust the Pages field to 378+[4] accordingly. I have verified that this excerpt in The Peace War is identical to the excerpt in The Nimrod Hunt. Incidentally, since this pb of The Peace War was published in June 1985, the statement "...coming in July 1985..." at the head of the excerpt now makes sense. Teallach (talk) 16:44, 13 October 2022 (EDT)

Agreed. I approved the two edits that were still in the queue. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 16:40, 14 November 2022 (EST)

Synthetic Men of Mars

Cover art for this is credited to Richard Clifton-Dey on the ERB Webzine site (2nd image from the bottom). --Mavmaramis (talk) 13:07, 27 October 2022 (EDT)

Thanks! I approved your edits and merged the three coverart titles. See here. --Willem (talk) 16:32, 14 November 2022 (EST)

The House on Parchment Street

Willem, You verified our copy of the 1978 first Aladdin ed. P201369, where I submit correction of a spelling error. --not worth mentioning here.
But I bring to your attention two other submissions concerning the COVERART. I doubt that Amazon image for the 1973 first edition. For now I think we should handle it this way. Submission 5485236, 5485237, 5485238. --Pwendt|talk 19:29, 11 November 2022 (EST)

Thanks for catching the spelling error. I also approved the other edits, indeed seems to be the best way to handle it for now. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 16:22, 14 November 2022 (EST)

SF: Authors' Choice -- edition statement

My copy of SF: Authors' Choice says "Berkley Medallion Edition, June, 1968" (all caps). Note the missing leading 'A', and the comma after June. Yours? --Glenn (talk) 16:31, 17 November 2022 (EST)

Unfortunately my paperback anthologies are still in storage after the fire of 2020, so I can't reach my copy at the moment. Please make the changes you think necessary. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 03:52, 18 November 2022 (EST)

Light of Zetar

Please see this edit which impacts your verified pub. Based on the Internet Archive scan, it does seem the title should be "The Lights of Zetar". Would you mind double checking your pub if possible? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:30, 20 November 2022 (EST)

I have no idea how I missed this when verifying. Please approve the edit, I changed the parent title and the publications. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 04:00, 21 November 2022 (EST)

Science Fiction Stories, January 1960

Just submitted a note, the cover art of this was previously used as back cover art on Future Science Fiction, #28 and credited there. Horzel (talk) 17:02, 7 December 2022 (EST)

Submission approved, and I varianted the two titles. Also added the link to Future Science Fiction, #28. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 07:02, 8 December 2022 (EST)

John Lennon and Sherlock; I've added links to Lennon's stories today, the anniversary of his murder, and this one, by far the longest, is on the Arthur Conan Doyle website, but the story was titled Singularge, not Singular. I found a copy of 1 of the anthologies you PV,, which has Singularge. The other PV has passed away, so if you can check and see what the title is. --Username (talk) 10:11, 8 December 2022 (EST)

The hardcover indeed has Singularge. My paperback anthologies are still in storage, so I can't check that one at the moment. I changed the title for now, and made a note to myself to check the paperback when I can. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 14:16, 8 December 2022 (EST)

Alternate Asimovs; US Signet on has xii, I've added it in a pending edit, yours probably the same since there's a Roman numeral in the contents so you may want to add them to your PV, too. --Username (talk) 19:36, 13 December 2022 (EST)

Added another note to myself. Will check this when I see my paperback anthologies again. --Willem (talk) 16:02, 18 December 2022 (EST)

The Inner Wheel; I think cover art should have a 1971 date, in case PV wants to change it, since art is original to this edition. --Username (talk) 21:49, 27 December 2022 (EST)

Corrected. --Willem (talk) 15:14, 28 December 2022 (EST)

Reynolds - Shadow Captain

Hi, re your PV here - letting you know I'm adding the coverart credits. Thanks. Kev.--BanjoKev (talk) 12:20, 3 January 2023 (EST)

Sorry, but as far as I know we do not credit designers for the cover illustration, unless it is clear they also did (some of) the art. In this case the credit should sooner go to Shutterstock than Blacksheep/Lauren Panepinto (who is not even mentioned in my edition).
One other thing, if you enter data that is not from the publication itself, you should always add a note citing the source of the data. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 15:07, 3 January 2023 (EST)

Forrest J Ackerman's credits

When you have a moment, could you please check how your verified Forest J Ackerman pubs credit Ackerman? The other day a user pointed out that most of Ackerman's books/stories use Forrest J Ackerman as opposed to Forrest J. Ackerman, but only 30-ish of our pubs credit him that way. TIA! Ahasuerus (talk) 17:34, 7 January 2023 (EST)

Worlds of Tomorrow and Forrest J Ackerman's World of Science Fiction both lack the period after the 'J'. I changed both. --Willem (talk) 14:48, 8 January 2023 (EST)
Thanks! Ahasuerus (talk) 15:16, 8 January 2023 (EST)

Clarke - The Last Theorem - 'ambles

Hi Willem, you are PV here, could you check yours and have a look at this conversation. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 15:47, 24 January 2023 (EST)

Added my 2¢ there. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 15:22, 28 January 2023 (EST)

Beyond Apollo by Barry Malzberg

Hi, Willem. In 2009 you verified this version of Barry Malzberg's "Beyond Apollo", which you identified as a 2nd printing: However, per it's actually a 1st printing. Markwood (talk) 13:25, 28 January 2023 (EST)

I see. That makes my edition identical to this one. I'll move my verification and delete the duplicate entry. Will also leave a message on Don Erikson's page, just in case. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 15:24, 28 January 2023 (EST)

Boucher - "S-F Books - 1960" or "S-F Books: 1960"?

Hello Willem, could you check your copy of The 6th Annual of the Year's Best S-F to see exactly how Boucher's essay is titled - I suspect it might be "S-F Books: 1960". If it is, and it's ok with you, I'll make the change. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 18:21, 20 February 2023 (EST)

Unfortunately my paperback anthologies are still in storage, so I can't check this one at the moment. I made a note to myself, but it may take some time. Hope the other verifiers can access their copy. --Willem (talk) 03:29, 21 February 2023 (EST)
I'll try the others, thanks for responding. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 04:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)

Asimov & Silverberg - To the Reader (Nightfall)

Hello Willem, I'm working through the Nightfall pubs and came across yours. Should it include the essay title record here? Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 04:14, 24 February 2023 (EST)

Yes, the essay is present. Added now. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 04:30, 24 February 2023 (EST)

Hollowing Cover; Pallencar on back flap of HC, also on copyright page of PB, should be entered here and made a variant; according to a text search on this edition of The Hollowing and another book, Return to Avalon, are the only instances of the Pallencar variant (I've made an edit for the Avalon book). --Username (talk) 11:47, 26 February 2023 (EST)

Corrected. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 14:22, 26 February 2023 (EST)

New Worlds from the Lowlands Publisher

Hi Willem -

Could you take a look at the publisher for Loggem's New Worlds from the Lowlands: Fantasy and Science Fiction of Dutch and Flemish Writers. We have the publisher listed as "Merrick" and a publication series as "Cross-Cultural Communications". However, looking at the Worldcat and Reginald records, I think the publisher may be Cross-Cultural Communications, which is located in Merrick, New York. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:54, 26 February 2023 (EST)

You are right. I should have noticed this when verifying. I corrected both editions. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 13:52, 27 February 2023 (EST)

Fred Gambino re: Asimov's - Foundation & Empire variant

Hello Willem, I'm asking for help trying to sort out date accreditation for Fred's coverart. Could you have a look at this thread on the Help Desk and respond there if you can help. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 13:00, 1 March 2023 (EST)

Added my 2c there. --Willem (talk) 15:54, 1 March 2023 (EST)

Titan PF; I added links to 2 Tor editions but your PV for the Titan edition has a UK price. Does it make a difference if link is added to this edition or does yours actually start with the UK price on the back cover unlike their copy? There weren't 3 separate editions published, were there? --Username (talk) 10:35, 2 March 2023 (EST)

Titan is a UK based publisher. I.m.o. it doesn't matter which price is printed first, the UK price is entered in the price field, the rest goes in the notes. --Willem (talk) 10:50, 2 March 2023 (EST)

Quicker Than the Eye

For Quicker Than the Eye, can you please double check the spelling of the story on page 125? Should it be "Dorian in Excelsus" (ending in "us") instead of the current "Dorian in Excelsis"? The other editions of this pub all used "us". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:16, 5 March 2023 (EST)

Good catch! I switched the titles. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 15:30, 5 March 2023 (EST)

Asimov - Nightfall and Other Stories

Hello Willem, just to let you know that I've entered all the introductions to this pub, replacing the generic Biographical Comments in "Nightfall and Other Stories" title. I don't know if this would be any use to your record here. I've posted the same message to Tom (Taweiss). Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 07:33, 9 March 2023 (EST)

Added my thoughts on Tom's page. --Willem (talk) 09:26, 10 March 2023 (EST)

The Clock That Went Backward

Concerning 1881 short story "The Clock That Went Backward" by Edward Page Mitchell: We have six remaining publications as The Clock That Went Backwards (with final 's'), which has been the parent title until yesterday. One of those primary verified is your record of the 2011 Wordsworth Collection of Science Fiction P337574, which I hope you will check: BACKWARD or BACKWARDS? --Pwendt|talk 16:46, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

Good catch! It's indeed "backward", no s. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 17:07, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

Claesson; Mats is the name in the issue of Locus you PV or is it Maths? --Username (talk) 20:08, 19 March 2023 (EDT)

It's Mats, but clearly the same author. Varianted now. --Willem (talk) 05:16, 20 March 2023 (EDT)

Georg(?) Sterling

Hi Willem, could you check this one? Is it a typo, and should it be George Sterling instead? Thanks! MagicUnk (talk) 07:38, 24 March 2023 (EDT)

Yep, a typo, George it is. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 15:41, 24 March 2023 (EDT)

Madball; Recent upload so I added a link in a pending edit but count is 176, not 192; needs fixing? --Username (talk) 10:38, 26 March 2023 (EDT)

Yes it does. Corrected now. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 16:19, 26 March 2023 (EDT)

Martin - Dying of the Light

Hello Willem, could you help by having a look at this 1st printing to see if it contains this title Glossary (Dying of the Light). Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 02:09, 6 April 2023 (EDT)

The glossary is present in my copy. Added to the contents now. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 03:23, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for doing that and for the title update as well, appreciated! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 03:50, 6 April 2023 (EDT)

Clarke - The Fountains of Paradise

Hello again Willem, I'm trying to sort out this title. Could you please check the wording above the essay in this pub to see if it is the same. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 08:09, 6 April 2023 (EDT)

The exact wording on page 298 is 'Sources and Acknowledgements', so it's correctly stated in this pub record. The date of the variant title (1979-00-00) was wrong, so I changed that to 2000-10-12, the first appearance of the variant. Hope that helps. --Willem (talk) 09:59, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for looking that up. Have a look here Help desk but please don't take any further actions :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 10:10, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
Sorry, changed that before I saw your help desk entry. Sort of automatic reflex. :) --Willem (talk) 10:12, 6 April 2023 (EDT)
No problem :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 10:32, 6 April 2023 (EDT)

Hyperluminal;; Copy was just uploaded, price on back cover in barcode seems to indicate this is the US trade edition which isn't on ISFDB, does your back cover look the same or is the UK price present? --Username (talk) 16:32, 8 April 2023 (EDT)

It's the same edition, so you can add the link. --Willem (talk) 04:21, 9 April 2023 (EDT)

Signet -> Signet / New American Library

Any objection to changing these to Signet / New American Library

--Spacecow (talk) 04:12, 12 April 2023 (EDT)

No objection from me. They all have "Published by New American Library" on the titlepage. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 04:18, 12 April 2023 (EDT)

Wilderness; I just made an edit adding link to the HC of R. Zelazny and Gerald Hausman's novel Wilderness; you PV the paperback and many years later PV the HC, and I noticed no edition has the interior artist on the copyright page, Mariah Fox Hausman, entered; there are little animal-related drawings at the end of some chapters. Also,, likely the same person, done for another Gerald Hausman book, so I assume she was related to him (wife?). --Username (talk) 22:57, 14 April 2023 (EDT)

Since it's a non-genre novel, I added notes to both publications. Mariah Fox Hausman is Gerald's daughter (also added a note to the Mariah Fox biblio page). Thanks, --Willem (talk) 05:43, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

Survival Printout; I fixed the 2 obvious mistakes but LoC says ix and following page ix in the book is a blank page, so maybe it should be changed here from x to ix. --Username (talk) 11:52, 20 April 2023 (EDT)

Changed the pagecount for now. I will check when my paperback anthologies come out of storage. --Willem (talk) 11:00, 21 April 2023 (EDT)

Charlie Stross' The New Management subseries

Hi, you're one of several PVs of Dead Lies Dreaming and/or Quantum of Nightmares, which are currently recorded as volumes 10 and 11 of the Laundry Files series. Personally I never progressed past the first of that series, but I was listening to a recent podcast interview with him, and he said that (I paraphrase) these novels were intended as a separate series to the prior Laundry Files novels - whilst obviously set in the same universe - called The New Management, but that the marketing got messed around by the early phases of COVID, causing them to appear as a straight continuation of the Laundry Files.

This is backed up by Stross' own site:

   Dead Lies Dreaming (set: December 2016: pub: Oct 2020 (US hbk/UK hbk))
   New spin-off series, new starting point! The marketing blurb describes it as "book 10 in the Laundry Files" but by the time this book is set—after CASE NIGHTMARE GREEN and the end of the main Laundry story arc (some time in 2015-16) the Laundry no longer exists. ... The start of a new series about the New Management, Dead Lies Dreaming ...
   Quantum of Nightmares (set: December 2016, pub: January 2022)
   Second book in the New Management spin-off ...
   Season of Skulls (set: March 2017 and summer of 1816, pub: May 2023)
   Third New Management novel ...

and both the podcast and page indicate that there'll eventually be a different novel that will be the "real" Laundry Files #10.

I've had a quick look at the UK ebooks and product listing pages for DLD and QoN, and whilst there doesn't seem to be anything in the novels themselves that explicit states they're part of a subseries, the ebook metadata, and web pages both say they are "Book 1/2 of the New Management".

Any objections to setting these two - and the upcoming Season of Skulls - up as a "New Management" subseries of Laundry Files? Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 18:00, 20 April 2023 (EDT)

No objections here. Dead Lies Dreaming even states it's the first of a new series set in the world of The Laundry Files. --Willem (talk) 11:02, 21 April 2023 (EDT)
Thanks. Bob was also OK with this change, but I'll give MagicUnk a few days to express an opinion before making this change.
Update: This change has now been made ErsatzCulture (talk) 19:19, 23 April 2023 (EDT)

Esteban Maroto

Hi, I'm searching about the cover artists of the German books of the Tongor series. Some of them (#3, #5) are created by Esteban Maroto, some (#2, #6) by Ertugrul Edirne. But #4 is still unknown, the style looks like Maroto, #1 a liitle bit like Edirne. Since You own Xotica: The Art of Esteban Maroto Volume One I may ask You to find out if this artworks is inside Your book to confirm the author. Thanks. --Zapp (talk) 18:04, 30 April 2023 (EDT)

I checked both Esteban Maroto books I own ("Xotica" and "Wonders"), but these illustrations are not in the books. I agree the first is Maroto style. Sorry I can't help. --Willem (talk) 13:48, 1 May 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for Your assistance. --Zapp (talk) 15:07, 3 May 2023 (EDT)


I'm holding this submission which impacts your verified pub. Would you mind double checking your pub? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:18, 1 May 2023 (EDT)

The edit is correct. Price is on the spine and even visible on the frontcover. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 10:48, 3 May 2023 (EDT)

Science Fiction: English and American Short Stories

Hi Willem

While adding the Reginald3 number to your verified Science Fiction: English and American Short Stories, I noticed that Reginald credits this to V. S. Muray'ev "as anonymous editor". I also see that Contento1 has the editor as "V. S. Muravyev". Given that we have the editor as "В. С. Муравьев", I just wanted to check to make sure we have this one credited correctly. The Cyrillic alphabet gave me pause, but I do see the note that portions of the book are in Russian. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:27, 3 May 2023 (EDT)

It is a strange book, the notes (and contents) are correct though. "V. S. Muravyev" is only mentioned in Cyrillic characters. It seems the publisher did a number of publications like this. Hope this helps. --Willem (talk) 10:59, 3 May 2023 (EDT)

Signet Selkie; I cloned 1st printing to enter 3rd that's on, should map date be the same as HC date since it's in HC, too, and should the map # be vi instead of 6 since novel starts on p. 1? --Username (talk) 00:07, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

Question 1: 1982-00-00 was the publication date of the HC until you changed it to 1982-04-16 with this submission, so yes, it needs to be changed (I did this).
Question 2: There are no Roman numerals in the pub, so according to this helptext (3rd bullet: "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets. For example, [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages.") the page count should be [6]+426 since the map is on page [6]. --Willem (talk) 10:20, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
Yes, there are countless books here where someone entered a book date with the month (and sometimes the day) but nobody ever fixed the title date, so months (and days) are often missing from those (I've fixed many myself); however, the map said 1982-03-00 until it was just fixed so it didn't match any other date. Now that it's fixed the map should be imported into the HC; looking at the copies I think, coincidentally, the HC also has the map on page [6]. Do you see that? If so, I'll enter that number. --Username (talk) 10:43, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
I left that submission in the queue because you should at least have left a message on the primary verifier's talkpage. There was also no moderator note with this submission. --Willem (talk) 10:59, 5 May 2023 (EDT)
And yes, the hardcover and the map were changed to 1982-03-00 back in 2010. --Willem (talk) 11:05, 5 May 2023 (EDT)

Wonderwaan winter 2018, #48: De ruiters van de Apocalyps: De dood

Please see first entry in Wonderwaan winter 2018, #48: De ruiters van de Apocalyps: De dood. Since page number is "del", should it be removed? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:53, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

Yes. I always mark titles I plan to remove like this. It's gone now. Thanks for noticing this! --Willem (talk) 14:00, 27 May 2023 (EDT)

The Early Pohl

You are PV for this edition: I have submitted additional information in the pub note & a Goodreads external ID for this edition. The pub note additions are based on two issues of SFBC's "Things to Come" brochure (June & November 1976), & the book in hand. If you want more detailed info, see Mike (talk) 17:28, 28 May 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the additional information. Edit approved. --Willem (talk) 10:09, 30 May 2023 (EDT)

Baen's Spider Reprints

Hi Willem -

I'm doing some cleanup on The Spider series and I see that we have a subseries for the Baen omnibus editions, The Spider (Baen). I see a few issues with how we have this set up. First off, I don't know that the series should be numbered. I've taken a look at our mutually verified copy of The Spider: Robot Titans of Gotham, and I haven't found any indication that it is numbered. I intend to to ask the sole verifier of the second book in the series to see if it is similarly not numbered. If Baen did support a separate numbering for their omnibus editions, I would argue that a publication series would be better than a title series. Assuming that they do not number them, I don't see a need for a subseries at all. Rather I think these should simply be part of the regular series. That way, we could use the content field on the title record to show which novels are included. What are your thoughts on this? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:00, 29 May 2023 (EDT)

I have no problem with this change either way. My first thought was publication series with or without numbering, but movig to the main series is just as good. I'll leave it to you. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 11:00, 30 May 2023 (EDT)

Portuguese titles capitalisation / rationalisation

Hello Willem, as you indicated that you can work in Portuguese, I'm inviting you to have a look at this discussion on the Rules and standards board. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:01, 31 May 2023 (EDT)

I have some basic knowledge of Portuguese (therefore the level 1 indication), but not enough to add something meaningful to this discussion. Sorry, --Willem (talk) 15:25, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

Changes to The Art of Richard Powers

Hi. I hope by the time you see this you have had a pleasant holiday! Now that you are well rested and relaxed... If it is still in the queue by the time you are back, I think it would be best if you handled this submission, since you are also the primary PV. --MartyD (talk) 08:29, 4 June 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the notification. I put the submission on hold for now, will discuss it with Eisbernd and also invite Mavmaramis to the discussion. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 15:40, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

The City and the Stars

Willem, this submission affects one of your verified publications. Another mod approved the original change to the 1973 edition. I approved the subsequent submissions for the pubs with inactive pv. John Scifibones 16:24, 5 June 2023 (EDT)

Thanks John! I added a note about the source of the credit (it looks a bit weird to have a note that says "No cover artist credit/signature", on a pub that has the artist credited). --Willem (talk) 16:32, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

Tepper - Wizard's Eleven

Hello Willem, I'm looking at a possible typo in your PV'd pub here. Reg3 states pages as xiv (as do the other extant Ace printings). Could you check this?. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 19:29, 8 June 2023 (EDT)

Reginald3 is right. I asked GlennMcG to check his copy. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 16:49, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

Locus #216

Hello Willem, further to this conversation, could you help by having a look in your Locus #216 and telling me what Locus has for the publication of Zelazny's The Courts of Chaos. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 18:14, 9 June 2023 (EDT)

Answered there. --Willem (talk) 16:58, 10 June 2023 (EDT)

The Yellow Fraction

You are PV for I submitted metadata for it (actual SBN on the spine & unstated first edition, & Goodreads external ID). Cheers. Mike (talk) 04:21, 12 June 2023 (EDT)

Thanks! --Willem (talk) 13:11, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

Old Masters; 5 PV, you seem to be the only active one, note says Terry Diggins did interior artwork but he's not in the contents, searching for artist name and book title together on Google only find ISFDB and this page (which slags off ISFDB),, discussing the artist and his possible identity along with the book's editor, in case you want to enter Diggins to the record or anything else you may find useful. --Username (talk) 20:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)

Added to my list of things to check when the paperback anthologies come out of storage. --Willem (talk) 13:17, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

The Best of Edmond Hamilton

You are PV for this edition: I just submitted this to moderators: Submitting these metadata: web page 1, Goodreads (external ID), & tweaked pub note (noting not first trade edition, as some collectors consider the first trade edition as collectable; noting forthcoming from Ballantine Books; & source of price, as I have the April 1977 issue of "Things to Come".) Cheers. Mike (talk) 05:26, 25 July 2023 (EDT)

Thanks! --Willem (talk) 13:20, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

The Immortals of Science Fiction

You are PV for this edition: I just submitted this to moderators: Submitting metadata: web page (2017 review), two external IDs (WorldCat & Goodreads). Cheers. Mike (talk) 10:00, 26 July 2023 (EDT)

Thanks! --Willem (talk) 13:21, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

QE2 Is Missing

While adding link,, I added back cover mentioned in your or someone else's note. --Username (talk) 11:12, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

Someone else's note. Approved. --Willem (talk) 13:59, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

Lafferty - The Best of R. A. Lafferty

Hello Willem, you're PV here and I'm pointing you to my query here so everyone knows what's going on. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 04:53, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

I submitted the following edit for this edition: Submitting four web page reviews, correcting pages (adding prefatory page in lower-case roman numeral), & adding Gollancz to pub note. Cheers. Mike (talk) 06:30, 3 August 2023 (EDT)
Responded on Ron's page. --Willem (talk) 15:10, 9 August 2023 (EDT)
Nice one! Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 15:13, 9 August 2023 (EDT)

(The) Big Book of Science Fiction; No "The" at head of title on title page, says "Printed in Canada" on copyright page, does yours have "The"? If not, needs fixing and merging with HC title. --Username (talk) 15:11, 7 August 2023 (EDT)

Added to my list of things to check when the paperback anthologies come out of storage. --Willem (talk) 14:59, 9 August 2023 (EDT)
I also verified the same pub. Although my copy states "PRINTED IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA." I don't know where the date of publication comes from but the title has no "The" either on the cover or title page.--swfritter (talk) 14:38, 13 August 2023 (EDT)
Feel free to change the title, I'll check it (and which edition I have) when the book comes from storage. The publication date is from the 1964 Berkley Medallion edition. I added a note about this (the date was entered by Scott Latham back in 2007). Thanks, --Willem (talk) 15:39, 13 August 2023 (EDT)


Hello, Willem! Is it possible for you to look up this title on p. 265 of "Spectrum 18: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art"? I do suspect that Abital I. Larson is identical with Abigail Larson. Or is it really somebody else? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 13:51, 9 August 2023 (EDT)

Good find! Credit on page 265 is to 'Abital I. Larson', but the index has 'Abigail Larson'. I varianted artist and title. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 14:55, 9 August 2023 (EDT)

Martin & Tuttle / Windhaven

You have PVd the 1st hc and 1st US pb of Windhaven. I am editing and PVing both of these pubs and would like to make the following changes:

1) hc: As the essay is listed in the Contents section, the Pages field should be 348+[1].

2) hc: In the book, the essay is erroneously titled "About the Author" (no "s") even though it is about both authors. So I'll change the title of the ISFDb record and add a note.

3) pb: LCCN 80-28177 is stated on copyright page. However, this refers to the Timescape hc edition so I'll delete the External ID and add an explanatory pub note. There is no LCCN for this pb.

4) pb: Pages field 324+[1] (see below).

5) pb: Import the existing "About the Authors" essay on page [325]. Publisher has corrected the title (added the "s") in this pb.

6) both: There are two records for the maps. This one is used for the hc and this other one is used for the pb's. I have compared the maps and the artwork is identical so I will merge and add a note.

7) both: There are two records for the "About the Authors" essay. One is used in the hc edition and the other is used in a pb edition although the hc one will get a title change (see point 2 above). I have compared the text of these essays and they are identical so one needs to be varianted to the other. However, I'm not sure which would be better as the parent. The hc one appears first but the pb one has the correct title and will appear in more pubs. Can you please advise me on this.

Whew! Think that's everything. Is all this ok with you? Teallach (talk) 16:59, 9 August 2023 (EDT)

That's quite a list. Point by point:
1) The rules say (seventh bullet) "It is fairly common for the last page (or more) of text in a book to be unnumbered. In this case, count forward to the last page of text and use that as the publication's page count. For example, if a novel ends on the unnumbered page after page 244, enter the page count as "245" with an explanatory note about the unnumbered last page." The pages field should be 349 with a note about the last page.
2) Rules of Acquisition (second bullet) state: "About the Author" and other biographical sketches: Include these when they are separate entries in the publication and are of substantial length or quality. Don't include them when they are part of a blurb or lead-in, or otherwise insignificant. Eligible works should be entered as ESSAYs. When I verified the pub, there were two separate essays, these were later combined. I don't think the essay is significant, but a previous editor did, so I don't mind it's presence. The essay can either be deleted, or given the correct title.
3) The external id should indeed be deleted, and a pub note added.
4) The pages field should be 325 with a note about the last page.
5) If you think the essay is significant it can be added. No need for square brackets around 325
6) Good find! please proceed
7) The rules are here (section 5). Again, if you think the essay is significant, start by making the first occurrence of the title the parent. It can always be easily reversed.
8) While you're editing, the novel in the HC needs a pagenumber (13)
Hope that helps. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 04:51, 10 August 2023 (EDT)
1) I find the Pages field very difficult. It has tortured me since I started editing the ISFDb. I must have read the related Help pages about 20 times. I've read your comment and the Help Pages for the 21st time and I still think it should be 348+[1] in this case. The seventh bullet point you've quoted does say "count forward to the last page of TEXT" (my capitalization). That means the last page of the fiction. Additional content is covered in the third bullet point which gives an example of 320+[4]. Also, this How To gives 5 examples of additional content at the end of a book. This hc of Windhaven matches the 4th example.
2) I completely agree with you. I don't consider the About the Author essay as significant and I would not have included it if I had been creating the pub record from scratch. However, I also don't mind it's presence and, as you say, a previous editor did consider it significant. It's a subjective issue so, as the essay is there, I'd prefer to leave it alone. Don't want to start an edit war.
8) Will do.
Teallach (talk) 18:26, 10 August 2023 (EDT)
1) You're completely right. I hadn't noticed that helptext (yet). 348+[1] it is. Thanks for pointing that out!
4) Scratch my remark.--Willem (talk) 03:50, 11 August 2023 (EDT)
Ok, there are two other possibly active PVs involved who haven't replied yet. If they haven't replied within one more week then I will start on the edits. Teallach (talk) 10:42, 11 August 2023 (EDT)
Changes seem ok to me. --Glenn (talk) 15:31, 14 August 2023 (EDT)

Nicoji; It's Don Clavette on copyright page. --Username (talk) 12:04, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

Powers - Expiration Date

Hi Willem, could you have a look at your PV'd 1995-00-00 copy and this 1995-03-00 one. The latter is dated correctly (Locus1) but apart from that I don't see any difference between them. What do you think? Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 15:53, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

I think the difference is the imprint. The copyright page of my copy has the statement "Previously published as a paperback original by HarperCollins Science Fiction and Fantasy 1995". It is most likely one of the first Voyager books. --Willem (talk) 16:26, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

Galactic Rejects; Should publisher be Dell Laurel-Leaf? --Username (talk) 12:46, 16 August 2023 (EDT)

Maybe. I would prefer to have 'Laurel-Leaf Library' as a publication series for this book (and others). If we consider Laurel-Leaf as an imprint of Dell, shouldn't it be 'Dell / Laurel-Leaf'? Also, at the moment we have publishers 'Laurel-Leaf Library', 'Laurel-Leaf Library / Dell', 'Dell Laurel' and 'Dell Laurel-Leaf Library', so I'm not going to change anything now. Feel free to start a discussion on the rules and standards page. --Willem (talk) 14:30, 16 August 2023 (EDT); Other PV agrees about the confusion but decided to change publisher. Since so many different people have PV books under all those publishers/series over the years, some of them gone or dead, it would probably be quite a chore tracking them down and agreeing on which is correct for each book. Maybe someone will eventually decide to do that but for now it is a bit confusing to have 2 different publishers for the same book so I'll ask other PV what they think about that. --Username (talk) 15:02, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
A couple of things. First, I am one of the primary verifiers on the first (1974) printing while Willem's primary verified pub is a second (1976) printing, so there are two separate publication records involved.
Re: possibly consolidating identical publisher records, let me list the ones that I have found so far:
In addition, the covers of some of our pubs say "Laurel-Leaf Fantasy", which needs to be set up as another publication series. Presumably our software didn't support publication series back when these publication records were created.
Re: the best place to discuss this mess of publishers and publication series, I am thinking that the Community Portal would be better than the Rules and Standards page. We are not suggesting a change to the data entry standards; we are just trying to come up with the best way to apply existing standards in this situation. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:09, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
I agree, the Community Portal would be a better place. I was thinking about (a standard for) "Publisher / Imprint" vs "Publication series", but this is only about Dell and Laurel-Leaf. --Willem (talk) 15:17, 17 August 2023 (EDT)

The Book of Ty(r)ael

Hello Willem! In Spectrum 21 there's (on p. 69) "The Book of Tyael 1" and "The Book of Tyrael 2" to be found. Is it that the spelling for both should enclose either Tyael or Tyrael? (I came across that upon varianting / pseudonyming Nico Delort to Nicolas Delort). Christian Stonecreek (talk) 01:44, 17 August 2023 (EDT)

Good find! It's 'Tyrael' for all (3) illustrations. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 14:51, 17 August 2023 (EDT)

Page numbers for "Screwtop" in first edition of "The Crystal Ship"

Hi there - I'm hoping you can help me check the page numbers for Vonda N. McIntyre's short story "Screwtop" in the first edition of Robert Silverberg's anthology The Crystal Ship.

I can see the first page on the database entry, and while the entry does give length of the book, that doesn't take into account any extra matter at the back of the book.

Grateful thanks in advance for any help you might be able to give. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Umm10 (talkcontribs) .

Good question. In my edition of The Crystal Ship, the pagenumber of the story (151) is for it's titlepage (it has the title, name of the author and a short essay about Vonda McIntyre). Page 152 is blank, and the text of "Screwtop" begins on page 153. The final page of the story is 208. The number in the pages field normally is for the last printed pagenumber in the book, and if not should be explained in the notefield. In this book they're the same. Hope that helps. --Willem (talk) 15:09, 17 August 2023 (EDT)

That is a huge help. Many thanks for the check, and for the explanation for the future! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Umm10 (talkcontribs) .

Michaelmas; It's by Algis J. Budrys. --Username (talk) 00:16, 22 August 2023 (EDT)

Hi Willem
I've checked my copy and I'm going to proceed with this change. Let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:51, 22 August 2023 (EDT)
Thanks Ron. My copy is the same. --Willem (talk) 14:05, 23 August 2023 (EDT)

A Brand New World

You PV'd this edition: I just sent in the following: Submitting web page 1 (blog article) & Goodreads external ID for this edition. Cheers. Mike (talk) 22:31, 23 August 2023 (EDT)

Thanks! Already approved I see. --Willem (talk) 10:21, 24 August 2023 (EDT)

One Million Tomorrows

You PV'd the following edition: I sent this in to moderators: Submitting two web pages (Wikipedia, blog retrospective review) & Goodreads external ID. I met Bob in 1982 while I was living in London. Nice guy. Mike (talk) 07:48, 26 August 2023 (EDT)

Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2

● Can you please check your copy of Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2? According to Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction the cover of The Ballad of Beta-2 is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with Alpha Yes, Terra No! instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. MLB (talk) 00:03, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

The credit is as stated on the titlepages (Ed Valigursky for The Ballad of Beta-2 and Jack Gaughan for Alpha Yes, Terra No!). None of the covers is signed or in Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan. Jane Frank credits Valigursky for The Ballad of Beta-2 here. Hope that helps. --Willem (talk) 07:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
Also, for me, the credits as they're now stated do fit the respective styles of the two artists more fittingly. It may be that "Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction" does err on this. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 09:44, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out now. MLB (talk) 02:44, 2 September 2023 (EDT)

Not the Only Planet; Publisher is Lonely Planet Publications in the book; Lonely Planet Journeys should be added as a series, too. --Username (talk) 13:24, 2 September 2023 (EDT)

Feast of Laughter,

Willem, These two edits, [3] and [4], update Google links to the relevant PDF's. I left them for your approval because the note to moderator is 'none' and the change would not be immediately apparent. John Scifibones 09:22, 8 September 2023 (EDT)

Science Fiction by Gaslight

Several questions on your verified Science Fiction by Gaslight based on the tp version (since both are supposed to be photograghic reprints of the original edition):

  • "The Tilting Island": Should the credit be "Grena J. Bennett" instead of "G. J. Bennett"?
  • "Congealing the Ice Trust" : Should the credit be "Capt. H. G. Bishop, U.S.A." instead of "Capt. H. G. Bishop"?
  • "Photography (Science Fiction by Gaslight)" : I'm not certain a title record is need for this, but if so, it seems like:
    • It should either not have a page number or there needs to be a record per illustration. She photographed all the illustrations, not just the one on page 51.
    • It should be credited to "Christine Haycock, M.D." as per the the publication title page.
  • There are several stories that might be off on their page numbers (even given the page numbers listed are for the story start vs the title page)? 80 vs 81, 91 vs 92, 224 vs 226, 268 vs 269
  • The subtitle should be added to the publication?

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:04, 10 September 2023 (EDT); PV of original edition, RTrace, left out 3 words in the subtitle. Let him know. --Username (talk) 18:42, 10 September 2023 (EDT)

Russ - The Female Man

Hello Willem, I'm trying to establish the first instance of R. D. Laing's Epitaph in this title. So far I can only date it to 2010-11-11, but I think it probably first appears in your 1975-02-00 copy. If you can confirm it is, I can make the edit to the title page (etc). So far, I haven't raised this with the other PVs. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 17:30, 20 September 2023 (EDT)

This World Is Taboo

Please see this conversation which would impact your verified Ace Books edition. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)

Pillar of Fire; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --Username (talk) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)

One of the PV fixed it. --Username (talk) 12:55, 6 October 2023 (EDT)

Stranger In His Own Land; I added link and cover image to '76 ed. but I'm not sure if the second edition copy uploaded in 2022 here,, is the one you PV or if link belongs to HC rebinding. Can you tell which one it is? --Username (talk) 09:28, 4 October 2023 (EDT)


You are a PV for this book: I just submitted the following to moderators: Submitting two web page reviews & external ID (Goodreads). Cheers. Mike (talk) 20:12, 24 October 2023 (EDT)

Last Coming; OCLC & LCCN say 328 pages; is it really 318 or is that a mistake? --Username (talk) 01:10, 28 October 2023 (EDT)

Spectrum 17; Fixed to Jungle. --Username (talk) 12:38, 14 November 2023 (EST)

Authors of Fluent in Fantasy: The Next Generation

There is a Review in Your pv Magazine Locus, #575 December 2008 on page 33. But it seems that the authors are confused. The reviewed title is created by 'Diana Tixier Herald' and 'Bonnie Kunzel', the review gives 'Bonnie Kunzel' and 'Herald Kunzel' and 'Diana Tixier'. Can You please have a look on this? Thanks. --Zapp (talk) 13:55, 23 November 2023 (EST)

Darkover; Artist should be David Cherry. --Username (talk) 19:04, 25 November 2023 (EST)

Cover artist for Aniara

Hi Willem, I've added the cover artist plus corresponding cross-reference. Cheers, John. JLochhas (talk) 06:00, 26 November 2023 (EST)

Gouden Appels van de Zon; I added link (and note about last unnumbered page) in a PENDING edit but I didn't change artist to Peter A. Jones as it says on copyright page. You PV other Dutch books with him as artist and entered Peter A. as a variant of Peter Jones so it should probably be so for this book, too. --Username (talk) 12:13, 8 December 2023 (EST)

Shadow of Heaven

Username has added a note to my talk page re. the Australian price of 128501. Having checked, I see that my copy is indeed 80c rather than 60c. Can you check yours as well, please, just in case there are two printings differing only in the Australian price.--AliHarlow (talk) 06:42, 26 January 2024 (EST)

Funhouse; There is a later printing on that says Dean on title page, not Dean R. If yours does, too, you may want to fix the name. --Username (talk) 00:33, 3 February 2024 (EST)

S-F: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy

Hiya mate I'm asking the other active pvs if they mind if I change the pages data for this one. The essay at the end is on unnumbered pages so i think it should be changed to 342+[10] with the essay starting on [343]. Also the intro and preface are listed in the contents as p8 and p10 but the actual pages themselves are unnumbered so should they be changed to [8] and [10]? That's the way the hc has it except that has the summation and hon mentions as seperate essays Cheers from Gaz Faustus (talk) 12:06, 3 February 2024 (EST)

Presumed typo in a St. King omnibus

Hello, Willem! I hope you're doing well and only take a kind of holiday break.

For this publication I changed the spelling of "... / 'Salems' Lot /..." into "... / 'Salem's Lot /...". The basis for this was the entry for the first printing at OCLC/WorldCat and the titling of the novel in the contents section, which also was "Salem's Lot". Christian Stonecreek (talk) 07:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)

David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon

I am working on David Gerrold / Chess with a Dragon. I have made a fairly accurate estimate of the word count and reckon it's close to 31,000 so it's comfortably a novella, not a novel. Incidentally, there is a pub note in the first edition in which an editor surmises that it might be a novella. Hence I propose to change it to Chapbook / Novella. I would also like to mark it as Juvenile. Locus1 describes it as "young-adult" and I seem to remember when I read it (many years ago, admittedly!) that it was a juvenile. Is all this ok with you? Teallach (talk) 18:34, 15 February 2024 (EST)

As there has been no reply for more than two weeks I will proceed with the changes. Teallach (talk) 16:31, 2 March 2024 (EST)

Miriam Allen de Ford

As a verifier of a pub that uses a Miriam Allen de Ford credit, please see this discussion. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:31, 19 February 2024 (EST)

Wakefield Ballantine Clock Strikes; While adding archived link I noticed title was wrong, it's 12 on cover, spine, and title page, so I fixed it. --Username (talk) 11:39, 7 March 2024 (EST)

California Sorcery

I'm holding a submission editing the 1999 publication. Two quick questions re: your verified publication.

  1. Should "A Group Celebration" be the subtitle?
  2. Does the title page credit "William Schafer" or "William K. Schafer"?

Just confirming so I know how to handle the title records. Thanks, John Scifibones 12:54, 11 March 2024 (EDT)

Changes to "Baen Fantasy" and "Baen Science Fiction Books"

A quick note to let you know that publisher records "Baen Fantasy" and "Baen Science Fiction Books" are in the process of being converted to publication series under "Baen Books" as per the outcome of this Rules and Standards discussion. This will affect one or more of your primary-verified publications. The only affected fields will be "Publisher" and "Publication Series". Ahasuerus (talk) 19:13, 4 April 2024 (EDT)


Hello Willem, I'm following up on this coversation and will be adding relevant Gollancz series to 16 of your verified pubs. Let me know if anything's not right. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:46, 26 April 2024 (EDT)

Voices Prophesying War;; I made additions/fixes to your 2 PV editions of this book. --Username (talk) 12:50, 28 April 2024 (EDT)

Wild Seed

Cover artist of this is Alan Magee, see his site. Horzel (talk) 16:35, 28 April 2024 (EDT)

The Sea-Raiders

Hi Willem, I'm changing the page 253 story title in your PVd Selected Short Stories, 1964 printing to the hyphenated title, as it appears in the 1968, 1977 and 1981 printings. Please let me know if you have any concerns about this. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 14:43, 6 May 2024 (EDT)

The War in the Air - extended title

Hi Willem, regarding your PVd 1967 printing; I'm editing it to extend the pub title to The War in the Air and Particularly How Mr. Bert Smallways Fared While It Lasted as stated in the notes. Changing the coverart, Preface to the 1941 Edition, and novel titles too. This will rationalise it to the 1941 and 1979 printings. Again, let me know if you have any concerns over this. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 13:12, 13 May 2024 (EDT)

De zonderlinge avonturen van Lancelot Biggs, ruimtevaarder

Hi, this Dutch edition does not have the same "contents" as the American original. In fact, by comparing with the original magazine stories, I submit these as the contents of the Dutch version of the fixup novel:
Chapters 1-2: F.O.B. Venus
Chapters 3-4: Lancelot Biggs Cooks a Pirate
Chapters 5-6: The Madness of Lancelot Biggs
Chapter 7: Lancelot Biggs: Master Navigator
Chapters 8-9: Honeymoon in Bedlam (1941)
Chapters 10-11: The Love Song of Lancelot Biggs
Chapters 13-15: Mr. Biggs Goes to Town
Chapters 16-18: The Ordeal of Lancelot Biggs
Chapters 19-21: The Downfall of Lancelot Biggs.
Which means that compared to the Doubleday edition, one story has a smaller chapter count, and four stories have gone missing. And, as I've pointed out elsewhere, the last chapters are not based on "The Scientific Pioneer Returns". Horzel (talk) 18:02, 15 May 2024 (EDT)

Herbert George Wells, essay by H. d. R.

Hello Willem, H. d. R. wrote two versions of this essay under the same title and I'm trying to sort out where they occur. Could you please check and tell me which version applies to:

The First Men in the Moon, #308830

Version 1, (3 to 4½ pages long, depending on typeset) starts: "Herbert George Wells was born on September 21st, 1866 at Bromley, Kent. Destined for the profession of a draper, he became instead one of the great intellectual lights of his age. His father, Joseph Wells, kept a small hardware shop and was an enthusiastic professional cricketer"
and finishes: "The second World War was to him the confirmation that mankind had indeed lost the mastery over the forces of its own making and was heading inexorably towards doom. His last work, Mind at the End of its Tether (1945), gave expression to his final mood of despair. Having been ailing for some considerable time, he died in his London home on August 13th, 1946. H. d. R."
Version 2, (2 pages long) starts: "Herbert George Wells was born on 21 September 1866 at Bromley, Kent. Destined for the profession of a draper, he became instead one of the great intellectual lights of his age. From his father, young Herbert George ('Bertie') had inherited a taste for reading. He was sent to school locally and later to Morley's Academy."
and finishes: "The second World War was to him the confirmation that mankind was heading inexorably towards doom. His last work, Mind at the End of its Tether (1945), gave expression to his despair. He died in London on 13 August 1946. H. d. R."

Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 10:53, 26 May 2024 (EDT)

Levende fossielen

Hi Willem! I just submitted a proposed change to the title record of a book for which you did primary verification of one of the publicattions. Would this be ok with you? thaks! /Luca/ --Fantagufo (talk) 03:53, 17 June 2024 (EDT)