User talk:Willem H.
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If you're adding a cover image, notes or external id's to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, there's no need to inform me. I will see the change on my recently changed primary verifications. If you're adding other data and explain the source in the notefield, or if you're correcting obvious mistakes and explain in the note to moderator, there's also no need to inform me. This is ONLY for cover images, notes, external id's, additional data and corrections. If you want to change any other field, or ask me something, add a new section to my regular talkpage! Thanks, Willem
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The Quest for Saint Camber
- For me they are part of the novel, but I have no problem with adding them as separate titles. --Willem 14:15, 1 January 2022 (EST)
- Thanks. Would you rather I not bother you about these in the future? I'm sure there will be more. :) Phil 22:10, 1 January 2022 (EST)
- You're not bothering me with this. I do want to know about major changes to my verified pubs, but it's not necessary to ask for my permission to add data, when I can see it on my changed primary verifications anyway. Thanks :) --Willem 06:01, 2 January 2022 (EST)
- Thanks. Would you rather I not bother you about these in the future? I'm sure there will be more. :) Phil 22:10, 1 January 2022 (EST)
- And another one bites the dust. Thanks! I added the credit, note and link to blackgate.com. --Willem 14:34, 7 January 2022 (EST)
Some minor note additions - details documented in Note to Moderators. Let me know if you would disagree. Regards, MagicUnk 10:52, 12 January 2022 (EST)
- No problem. I ordered my copy on October 27, 2021 and received it today. Had nearly given up hope... --Willem 14:41, 12 January 2022 (EST)
Out from Ganymede - a content question
I am working to update/correct several entries for "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg" http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?398728. One of the stories is "The Wooden Grenade", which has no previous publication history listed in the ISFDB entry.
I looked at the Acknowledgements (copyright info) in the book, and it states '"The Wooden Grenade" as "The Sense of the Fire" in Escapade; July 1967'.
I would like to update ISFDB to acknowledge that these are the same stories, which actually makes more sense, as I don't see anywhere about a previously unpublished story showing up in "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg".
"The Sense of the Fire" was reprinted in Malzberg's "Out from Ganymede". I've looked around, but have been unable to find a scanned copy.
While I tend to believe that the Acknowledgements (copyright) info from "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg" is correct and that these are the same story, I would be more comfortable if I could confirm that these are actually the same story.
ISFDB lists you as a primary verifier for "Out from Ganymede". Do you have a copy and can you check and let me know what the first sentence is in "The Sense of the Fire" in "Out from Ganymede?" In my library copy of "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg", the first sentence is "Stein, and obsessive, carried a large dummy hand grenade in: the right pocket of his converted Army fatigue jacket". (I do suspect that the copy editing of this "The Very Best of..." is off, as there is punctuation throughout that I find rather incorrect".
If you don't have this, I'll try Don Erikson, who is also a primary verifier.
Thanks.Dave888 00:08, 13 January 2022 (EST)
- Nice find. Yes, I still have my copy, and yes, the first line of "The Sense of the Fire" is the same, so "The Wooden Grenade" can be varianted to it. Thanks! --Willem 05:33, 13 January 2022 (EST)
- Willem, thanks for your help. I'll take care of this and another "Very Best of" variant issue after I get guidance on which version should be canonical (I have submitted a query to AnnieMod).Dave888 12:50, 13 January 2022 (EST)
- I agree, it should have been held, especially because the source for the change is the contents page. I checked the pub, and this time the edit is ok. Thanks, --Willem 15:27, 15 January 2022 (EST)
French Perry Rhodan
- I don't have any French Perry Rhodans in my collection. I do think toy're right about the phase 2 translations. These should be varianted to the German originals. Sorry I can't help. --Willem 13:05, 17 January 2022 (EST)
- Thanks anyway, Willem! Perrypedia and the few volumes I do own are also quite clear. Christian Stonecreek 13:17, 17 January 2022 (EST)
Prologue (Foundation's Edge)
I am creating and PVing a later printing of Foundation's Edge. Whilst adding the Prologue, I noticed that a Title record for it already appears to exist: Prologue (Foundation's Edge) and the only pub record it relates to is the first printing, which you have PVd. The Prologue is recorded as SHORTFICTION but I think it should be ESSAY. The giveaway is this first sentence of a paragraph toward the bottom the first page: "In the Foundation Trilogy, the story of the first four centuries of the Interregnum is told". Can you please check the Prologue in your copy to see if it is the same and let me have your thoughts on changing the Type.
Based on the Last User Activity Date, there are 3 PVs who are still active: Willem H, Taweiss and Nihonjoe, so I have posted this note to all your Talk pages. I am a new editor, so am not sure of the correct etiquette for handling this situation, but it seems desirable to have the whole conversation in one place. So may I suggest you reply on my Talk page. Thanks. Teallach 17:43, 21 January 2022 (EST)
Original publication for two Pat McIntosh "Thula" stories
I saw that two Pat McIntosh "Thula" stories that appear in Lin Carter's "The Year's Best Fantasy Stories", Vol 4 and 5, are without any prior publication listed in ISFDB.
I have "Flashing Swords #1", but I don't have those "Year's Best" volumes. I was unable to find scanned copies of those volumes online, but I see that you are a Primary Verifier for both and I hope that means you still have copies.
I have been told that sometimes Lin Carter's "Year's Best" volumes had original stories first published in them.
I would love to be able to update "The Cloak of Dreams" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94079) and "Child of Air" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?94075), either with a first publication ISFDB title entry or at least a mention in the Notes that they were original to the two "Year's Best" volumes.
I would really appreciate it if you could check the copyright/acknowledgements/whatever info in those two volumes and advise me.
Thanks and best wishes.Dave888 13:29, 24 January 2022 (EST)
- Hi Willem. Right after I posted this, a friend sent me a scan of the copyright pages for those two volumes. Yes, those were original publications in the "Year's Best" for those two stories. I will update the Notes for the story.
- Already solved I see. Which is good. These books are still stored in a garage box and hard to access. Thanks, --Willem 13:44, 24 January 2022 (EST)
Preface; The Beat Goes On
In Meditations on Middle-Earth, can you double check the title of the preface? The tp uses a colon and not a semicolon as currently entered. I'm assuming someone missed hitting the shift key, but can you double check your hc? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:12, 30 January 2022 (EST)
- I guess all verifiers missed that one. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 10:59, 30 January 2022 (EST)
De Hobbit question
I have a question regarding entry for 'De Hobbit' published by Prisma Boeken 1960. Record #375482.
On this entry under 'Notes' it claims that the first printing of the book has 529.1 in the gutter code. I haven't seen this written anywhere else, even Tolkien Library doesn't note it and I am wondering now if there were other printings i.e 529.2 etc in 1960 or if they all had 529.1 until it was reprinted again in 1967. It's not really common to list printing history this way in mass markets but I am intrigued to know if it was indeed done for this title!
I know that this book was reprinted many times between 1960-1975, '67 is officially supposed to be the 2nd & 3rd printing of the book, although in these later printings the cover is slightly different etc. Still I am intrigued to know!
Please let me know if you have any further info :-)
- I don't know why the gutter codes are not noted anywhere else. They are there though, and they are a good source for the printing number. As far as I know there were no other printings of "De Hobbit" between 1960 and the second printing in 1967, which should have 529.2 (if it has one at all, the Prisma series was not very consistent in the use of guttercodes, my 1973 tenth printing has no gutter code at all). I have always assumed Tolkien was not very popular in the Netherlands until after the Prisma editions of "In de ban van de ring" appeared in 1965. Hope this helps a little. Thanks, --Willem 15:48, 5 February 2022 (EST)
- Submission approved. You can proceed with the merge. Thanks, --Willem 14:58, 6 February 2022 (EST)
Would this be enough to edit the publication date to the more precise: 1955-04-21?
Review copy note found inside pb edition: 
It mentions both the pb and the hc edition. --Spacecow 07:19, 12 February 2022 (EST)
- Yes, that's certainly enough (for both editions). Be sure to add pub notes referring to this note. Thanks! --Willem 15:10, 12 February 2022 (EST)
As there are no notes for Radix, I would like to add the following ones before I PV:
"Bantam Spectra edition / October 1985"
First printing per printer's key: O 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
Cover artist credited in the "Acknowlegements" and per "Cover copyright © 1985 by Fred Marcellino" on the copyright page.
Map artist credited in the "Acknowlegements".
C$4.50 in Canada.
Change page count to +466
Add map title on page 
Add title "Appendix (Radix)" on page 449
Thanks! Phil 07:23, 19 February 2022 (EST)
- I have no problem with these changes. Thanks! --Willem 14:06, 19 February 2022 (EST)
The Girl from the Emeraline Island
Does your copy of The Girl from the Emeraline Island show "First Edition: May 1984" and no number line on the copyright page? I want to replace the "1st printing" note with those notes, plus add the map title on page  and change the page count to +274 before I PV. Would that be OK? Phil 08:49, 26 February 2022 (EST)
- Yes and yes and yes! Please do. Thanks, --Willem 09:21, 26 February 2022 (EST)
Millennium by Bova
Would you please check the title page of your copy of Millennium and see if it actually reads "Millennium" over "A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999"? My first printing copy shows that so I would like to correct the title to be "Millennium: A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999", plus replace the note with "First Ballantine Book Edition: April 1997" and "No printer's key.", and add the note "Cover art by Joseph Csatari on the copyright page".
If that is OK, I propose to then:
1. Unmerge this pub, this pub, and this pub from the existing title.
2. Make the resulting new title the cannonical title by making the existing title a variant of the new title since the new one is the oldest title.
3. Merge the three pubs named "Millennium: A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999" together.
Would all of this be OK with you? Phil 12:19, 26 February 2022 (EST)
- The phrase "A Novel About People and Politics in the Year 1999" is indeed on the titlepage, but I don't think it's meant to be a subtitle, more an explanation of what the novel is about. The phrase is also separated from the title by a horizontal line. I would like to keep it the way it is, but will not protest if a majority wants it the other way. Thanks, --Willem 14:46, 26 February 2022 (EST)
- That's a great point I hadn't considered. Let's see how Dirk and Dsorgen reply. I'm not that committed to doing the work to implement my suggested change. Even if we leave it as simply "Millenium", there are still two verified pubs that have the longer name. At some point, someone will want to resolve that issue. Phil 17:58, 26 February 2022 (EST)
Space Relations full title
Would you please look at the title page for this and see if it actually reads "Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale" instead of just "Space Relations"? All of the external ID records for this pub show the long form. Thanks! Phil 16:28, 2 March 2022 (EST)
- Yes, my copy has the full title on the title page. --Willem 16:40, 2 March 2022 (EST)
Hi Willem, I've updated the author record from Michael Winkel to Michaël Winkel (as written on the copyright page of De glazen boom). The consequence is is that the artist's name is also updated in all other title records (as listed here). Could you check the spelling of the author's name in the books you have? Thanks! MagicUnk 04:54, 3 March 2022 (EST)
- Sorry, can't do that anymore. I had to sell 1000 Dutch paperbacks and hardcovers (the house was full). This included the complete Gradivus series. I'm now moving my verifications to transient. I think it's safe to assume that the " is present in all these books (only Gradivus has him). Thanks, --Willem 05:04, 3 March 2022 (EST)
- Thanks Willem. That would be my thought as well. (and I was wondering why you had these transiently verified - now I know :)) MagicUnk 06:49, 3 March 2022 (EST)
Masterpieces of Fantasy Art
If you've no objections, I'd like to add the content to Dian Hanson's Masterpieces of Fantasy Art. Additionally, I'll get a better scan of the cover than the Amazon image. I'm coming to a good point to pause one of my other projects and thought I'd tackle this. Please let me know if you have any concerns. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:46, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
- If you want to do this, please do! Content for any of my artbook pv's is always welcome. Thanks! --Willem 15:36, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
- I've finished with the Hanson book. In the course of working on it, I found the The Art of the Brothers Hildebrandt is also lacking content. I was also surprised that I hadn't verified this book, as I've had a copy since I was a teenager. In any case, I'm going to go ahead and work on this one next, especially so that I can link the shared pieces with the Hanson book. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:59, 2 April 2022 (EDT)
As a verifier of a Pyramid Giant publication. Would you please see this conversation. The question is whether Pyramid Giant is a publisher or a pub series or both. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)
- Added my 2c there. --Willem 07:30, 19 March 2022 (EDT)
Red Moon and Black Mountain SFBC edition
Would you please look at the title page of your copy of Red Moon and Black Mountain and see if it shows "Red Moon" over "and" over "Black Mountain" in large lettering over "The End of the House of Kendreth" in smaller lettering? If it does, it matches my copy so I think the title should be changed to "Red Moon and Black Mountain: The End of the House of Kendreth". I'm willing to make the change since I need to make the same title change to the Ballantine pb first printing. (Ref: ). Thanks! Phil 14:40, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
- Yes, the subtitle is on the titlepage of my copy, so go ahead. Thanks! --Willem 15:12, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
The Blue Hawk
For The Blue Hawk, would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! Phil 11:18, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
- Good find! The change is correct. Thanks, --Willem 15:25, 22 March 2022 (EDT)
The High Couch of Silistra
Cover Art for Ruimtesprong naar Moran
Hi Willem, the pub Ruimtesprong naar Moran actually displays Manfred Schneider's signature in the cover's lower right. It's only the remaining covers that look like Schneider's but show now other evidence. Cheers, John - JLochhas 01:16, 4 April 2022 (EDT)
- I plead temporary blindness. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 15:53, 8 April 2022 (EDT)
The Tsaddik of the Seven Wonders
For The Tsaddik of the Seven Wonders, would you mind if I replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Printing: December, 1971" and "No printer's key" before I PV? Thanks! Phil 14:59, 8 April 2022 (EDT)
- I have no problem with changes like that. Thanks, --Willem 15:54, 8 April 2022 (EDT)
House of the Hatchet
- Approved and varianted. Thanks, --Willem 04:14, 11 April 2022 (EDT)
Strange Things in Close-Up
Would you mind double checking the story on page 80 of Strange Things in Close-Up? Per the Internet Archive scan, the version in this pub should have a comma after World and no period at the end. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:42, 25 April 2022 (EDT)
- You're absolutely right. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 02:45, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
Hi. You verified the 2011 first edition from Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company, a record verified by inactive editor Teddybear long ago. We use "Little, Brown" rather than its fullname for the US company and its descendant division or imprint, including as Mulholland Books / Little, Brown. I would truncate the publisher name myself, and thus eliminate the fullname from the database (one update of unverified publication is in the queue), with report at Moderator noticeboard because two earlier PVerifiers are inactive. But:
You should revisit that record yourself because there is an obvious error in the Note, first item.
- "First Edition: September 2017"
- Thanks for this. I merged the two publishers, so Mulholland Books / Little, Brown and Company is gone now. Also corrected the note, I probably didn't notice this when verifying. :) --Willem 14:52, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe
Willem, Hello again from Boston, now May Day 2022. You verified one undated printing of Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe T2163025. Working this hour from our record of 2001 first ed./printing, I submitted 15 Title Update, namely:
- Spelling (3)
• Sir Gawain & the Green Knight, Pearl and Sir Ofreo • The Wtcher in the Water • Shalob's Lair
- Capitals (12)
• After a hot afternoon of photos
• Fourteenth-century archer 
• Fourteenth-century archer
• Boar hunting
• Shelob about to leap on Frodo
• road to Caradhras
• Gollum Vignette
• Shire Vignette
• Earthdawn: Throal, The Dwarf Kingdom
• The Knight battles two Giants
• Melkor Calls forth Ungoliante
• Knight on airplane wing
I did not change "-century" (a rule I would need to look up), only "archer". The submissions queue is quite long --my own date from -04-26 but someday soon you might revisit the publication record and scan its Contents.
By the way, do you know whether all of the INTERIORART in this John Howe collection are previously published? I submitted a Title Note for only one of the 15, if i recall correctly, namely "The Knight Battles Two Giants" submission. One or both picture books may be in the submission queue if not the database before you read this. --Pwendt|talk 15:51, 1 May 2022 (EDT)
- Thanks for all this work. I only imported the contents from Bob's edition, and simply didn't (don't) have the time to check every title. Approved your submissions, and placed "vignette" in brackets for Gollum and Shire. The help text under "case" is clear about hyphenated words. They have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized (I corrected the two Fourteenth-Century Archers).
- For a number of illustrations the original publication is cited, I think Bob did a great job in varianting so many and I have no idea about previous publications of Howe's work. Bob might know more. Thanks again, --Willem 16:56, 1 May 2022 (EDT)
Aldiss / Helliconia Summer
I am editing / PVing Aldiss's Helliconia Summer. I will add sourced, additional information but want to advise you of two changes I am proposing: 1) change author's name from "Brian W. Aldiss" to "Brian Aldiss" as per title page 2) delete the Coverart content reference because Mon Mohan is only the designer. I will add a pub note: "Jacket design by Mon Mohan, reproducing a Saftleven landscape" on rear dust jacket flap. Are you ok with these changes? Teallach 18:08, 3 May 2022 (EDT)
- I should have seen that when verifying. Please do. Thanks! --Willem 04:14, 4 May 2022 (EDT)
Aldiss / Helliconia Winter
I am editing / PVing Aldiss's Helliconia Winter. I will add sourced, additional information but am also proposing to remove the "Helliconia (map)" content record and import the existing "Helliconia Winter (map)" because there are slight differences between the maps in the Cape editions of Summer and Winter. I will add a note about this. As I have verified the price from my copy, would you like me to delete your note: "P2 ver. copy has the price clipped off." or would you prefer to leave it in? Teallach 17:40, 5 May 2022 (EDT)
- Sounds good to me, so go ahead. I would like to keep my note about the price though. It can't be verified from my copy. Thanks! --Willem 04:09, 6 May 2022 (EDT)
- No problem. I'll leave your price clip note as it is. Teallach 14:02, 6 May 2022 (EDT)
New Writings in SF 28
- Agreed. You already added the note about Petagno in 2015, and I still can't find any proof. --Willem 14:04, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
- So I did. I'd totally forgotten I'd done that. --Mavmaramis 12:15, 13 May 2022 (EDT)
Myth & Magic
You're listed as a PV for this 4th edition of Myth & Magic. The pub notes say "C$29.99 in Canada". I also have a 4th printing, but my copy shows "CAN $43.95" on the front dust jacket flap. Will you check your copy to verify what price is listed there for Canada in your copy? Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:05, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
- Are you sure you have a UK edition of the book? I did a temporary upload of the copyright page and the price from my copy (backcover of dustjacket) so you can compare them (I'll delete them after your response here). The price is also printed on the front flap of the dustjacket and the backcover of the book itself. Hope that helps. --Willem 05:04, 13 May 2022 (EDT)
- I'm pretty sure it had the price in pounds first. I'll check when I get home. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:56, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
- Here are pics of the one I have. As far as I can tell, it's one from the UK, but the copyright page is different than yours.
- Maybe there are two different versions of the fourth printing somehow? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:43, 25 May 2022 (EDT)
- I'm pretty sure it had the price in pounds first. I'll check when I get home. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:56, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
- Amazing. A lot of differences, website, printer, notation of the numberline and more, I only now noticed even the frontcover of my copy is different (it has a reference to the Hobbit films). I uploaded a scan of my copy and added some notes (doubting that mine is an actual 4th printing). Perhaps it's best that you clone Biomassbob's second printing for your edition. Thanks! --Willem 14:47, 25 May 2022 (EDT)
Justin Leiber titles
For The Sword and the Eye, would you mind if I add the map on page 7?
For The Sword and the Tower, would you mind if I change the page count to +216 and add the map on page ?
Thanks! Phil 09:27, 25 May 2022 (EDT)
- Please do. Seems I forgot to add the maps. Thanks! --Willem 14:17, 25 May 2022 (EDT)
For Watchtower, would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to +226
2. Add interiorart title "Watchtower (map)" by uncredited on page 
3. Add interiorart title "Watchtower" by uncredited on page 
4. Add essay title "Appendix: The Cards of Fortune (Watchtower)" by uncredited on page 223
Thanks! Phil 16:17, 30 May 2022 (EDT)
- No problem, go ahead. --Willem 05:11, 31 May 2022 (EDT)
The Dancers of Arun
For The Dancers of Arun would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to +275
2. Add interiorart title "The Dancers of Arun (map)" on page 
3. Add interiorart title "The Dancers of Arun" on page 
4. Add relevant notes.
Thanks! Phil 16:43, 30 May 2022 (EDT)
- No problem, go ahead. --Willem 05:12, 31 May 2022 (EDT)
The Northern Girl
For The Northern Girl, would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to +415
2. Import title "The Northern Girl (maps)" on page 
3. Add essay title "Appendices (The Northern Girl)" by uncredited on page 409
4. Add relevant notes
Thanks! Phil 17:04, 30 May 2022 (EDT)
- No problem, go ahead. --Willem 05:12, 31 May 2022 (EDT)
The Third Eagle
On the title page of my copy of The Third Eagle there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change or is this something you should do as the original PV for this pub? Phil 07:24, 31 May 2022 (EDT)
- Good find! Please proceed. Thanks! --Willem 15:21, 31 May 2022 (EDT)
Het rijk van het atoom / De tovenaar van Linn
- Thanks for finding this. --Willem 04:26, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
- Stylistically it's obviously Jerome Podwil, but I've never seen a good source or signature to clinch it. Horzel 06:07, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
- ok. --Willem 04:26, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
- No problem. Go ahead. Thanks, --Willem 04:27, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
- Thanks! and approved. --Willem 15:51, 18 June 2022 (EDT)
Sociology of the Possible
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?871321; There's a 6th printing on Archive.org which says the excerpt from Samuel Butler is Erewhon. Does your copy say the same and the title was just entered incorrectly here or was it actually misspelled in the 1st printing? --Username 19:21, 18 June 2022 (EDT)
- Yes, it's actually spelled as "Erehwon". I added a note. --Willem 14:46, 19 June 2022 (EDT)
- I noticed Archive.org has another copy, uploaded in September 2020, which doesn't show up on Open Library, that turned out to be the first edition you PV, so I've added an edit with the Archive link. There's also a 1977 "2d ed." on OL and LCCN whose page counts, both Roman and regular, differ, so I don't know where that fits in. --Username 18:36, 19 June 2022 (EDT)
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265442; 2 Walker publications have a note saying "Unites States"; I fixed one because there's an Archive copy but this book doesn't have one; the other PV for this book died so I'll ask you to check if it really says Unites or if it's United. --Username 12:21, 19 June 2022 (EDT)
- Just a typo. Corrected now. --Willem 14:48, 19 June 2022 (EDT)
Larry Niven / The Magic Goes Away
I am PVing and editing the limited ed hc of The Magic Goes Away. I will change the page count which brings it in line with the page count of the tp version. I have verified that this count is also correct for the hc. I will also add my usual extensive notes. I will leave your comment: "PV1 copy is signed by Niven, but not numbered" as it is. Incidentally, my copy is both signed and numbered. Teallach 19:01, 25 June 2022 (EDT)
- No problem. Go ahead. Thanks! --Willem 03:18, 26 June 2022 (EDT)
Larry Niven / Limits
I am PVing and editing the US version of Limits. The ISFDb pub record has the story "Folk Tale" on p205, whereas in my copy of the book it is "Table Manners" both on p205 and in the TOC. The latter is a variant title of the former. Can you please check your copy and advise. If it is consistent with mine then I will make the appropriate change. I have posted this note on the talk pages of Willem H, Dirk P Broer & GlennMcG. Teallach 16:47, 27 June 2022 (EDT)
- My copy has "Folk Tale" on page 205 and the toc. Does your copy also state "First Edition: February 1985" on the copyright page? --Willem 14:11, 28 June 2022 (EDT)
- My copy is priced $2.95 and states "First Edition: February 1985" on copyright page. There is no numberline and no mention of additional printings. Everything about it precisely matches the info in the pub record to which I linked... apart from the title of the Folk Tale / Table Manners story. Teallach 08:08, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
- Amazing. So there are two different first editions. The best thing to do is clone the existing pub and in the new one replace "Folk Tale" with "Table Manners" (with a note explaining the difference of course). Thanks! --Willem 13:52, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
- We have a conclusion so I am posting this note on all your talk pages (Willem H, Dirk P Broer and GlennMcG). It is quite bizarre: there are two versions of the first printing. Willem H and GlennMcG have the version with "Folk Tale" on p205 whereas Dirk P Broer and I have the version with "Table Manners" on p205. I will clone the existing record, alter it to show the "Table Manners" title and add a pub note explaining the difference between the two versions. Then I will edit the original record and add a corresponding pub note. This should help to prevent a future editor thinking that these are duplicate records and deleting one of them. Thank you all for your help in resolving this matter. Teallach 16:44, 30 June 2022 (EDT)
Land Beyond the Map
Now that the original art (apparently unsigned, alas) of Land Beyond the Map is shown at comicartfans by Glynn Crain, and credited to John Schoenherr, thus agreeing with Ian Schoenherr's statement (see publication note), I'd like to change the cover art credit from Jerome Podwil to John Schoenherr. Would you agree? Horzel 16:49, 28 June 2022 (EDT)
- I have no objections to the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:40, 28 June 2022 (EDT)
- No objections from me either. Thanks. --Willem 03:01, 29 June 2022 (EDT)
To Say Nothing of the Dog duplicate records
It looks like you and Stonecreek have duplicate records for the 4th printing of ISBN 0-553-57538-4. Please see 351641 and 351116. I will point Stonecreek to this conversation as well. If you two could work out if these are truly duplicates and consolidate to one, it would be appreciated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:54, 9 July 2022 (EDT)
- Hi, Willem. I have unverified mine and will delete it: it was in fact verified later than yours (on 2011-05-05). Christian Stonecreek 15:29, 9 July 2022 (EDT)
- Looks like the right solution. Thanks, --Willem 11:32, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
- One afterthought: Should ", or How We Found the Bishop's Bird Stump at Last" better be added to the publication's title? Christian Stonecreek 14:24, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
- Probably, yes. I'll look at the titlepage when I'm home again sunday. --Willem 17:18, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
- The titlepage has the subtitle, so I added it. Thanks! --Willem 14:32, 17 July 2022 (EDT)
Lost Realms Reginald Verification
Hi Willem -
You've marked your verified trade paperback publication of Lost Realms with a Reginald3 verification. It looks like Reginald lists the hardcover printing. I've added the Reginald ID to that one, but have left the Reginald3 verification open in case you'd like to move your verification there. I do note that the HC publication has a later date and a note to that effect. It looks like the note and the date change was added by Mhhutchins back in 2009. The secondary sources all have the 1984 date. I'm not sure of his source, or whether it would apply to the paperback as well. In any case, I've let the date and the note stand. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:30, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
- I'm on a short vacation at the moment. Will look at the pub/Reginald3 next sunday. Thanks, --Willem 11:36, 11 July 2022 (EDT)
- You were absolutely right (of course). I moved the Reginald3 verification to the hardcover. I.m.o. the publication dates can be correct. Locus1 has the paperback as a 1984 publication, the hardcover is mentioned as "also available", but "not seen" so it could have been published later. Thanks, --Willem 14:43, 17 July 2022 (EDT)
DUTCH Woodroffe Edition
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?485184; No cover so I added it from this page, https://www.amazon.co.uk/avonturen-van-Happer-eend-gaten/dp/B07QQ2168V, and there's other photos including the back cover, in case there's any extra info you could add from them. Amazon wrote the wrong publisher, though. --Username 12:25, 13 July 2022 (EDT)
- F.y.i., there is a quite obvious difference between Dutch and German. The image is correct, so it can be approved by one of the moderators still working on your submissions. --Willem 14:48, 17 July 2022 (EDT)
- Still the same charmer, I see. FYI, the language mistake is irrelevant, the salient point is you're the PV and so per ISFDB rules I'm supposed to contact you regarding any changes, which is what I did, and I thought you'd like to know there's a photo of the back cover available in case your copy was damaged or heavily stickered and some or all of the info was illegible, because unlike you I don't care if I like the person I'm contacting; correcting old info or entering new info is all that matters here. Try to remember that the next time I contact you, Boze Man. You're welcome. --Username 18:44, 17 July 2022 (EDT)
- Try to read the message in yellow at the top of this page. --Willem 10:30, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
- I read the part where it says, "if you want to ask me something", which I did when I asked if any info on Amazon's back cover could be used by you in case, as often happens, a PV copy is damaged or covered with price tags/library stickers. You seem to have a problem with anyone disagreeing with something you entered, as was obvious from my first contact with you last year about Wellspring and your recent embarrassingly lengthy and hostile argument with Stonecreek about some minor M.Z. Bradley story length issue, which I had to contact a mod about in order to stop you from filling screen after screen with it. I'll say it again: all that matters to me re: ISFDB is correcting or entering info, and whether I like the person I'm contacting, which I don't in most cases based on my personal interaction with them or the way they interact with others here, not to mention the quality of their editing, means nothing. So whatever problem you have with me, when I contact you with something related to this site try to answer without sarcasm or anger. --Username 10:51, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
Thomas M. Disch / 334
I am editing / PVing 334. A couple of points: 1) The story starting on page 85 is actually titled "Emancipation" (variant title) whereas the pub record currently has "Emancipation: A Romance of the Times to Come" (parent title) so I will correct this. 2) The rear dj flap states "Computer picture by courtesy of Control Data International" and "Jacket design by Michael Hasted" so, as he's credited as the designer, not artist, I'm not sure he ought to have a Coverart record. This is somewhat subjective as the photo of the computer has clearly been modified to include the doorway. I don't have a strong opinion either way. Do you think we should leave the Coverart record or remove it? Teallach 14:48, 20 July 2022 (EDT)
- 1) I must have missed the title when verifying. The best way to do this is to remove the current title, and import the correct one.
- 2) I think this is one of the exceptions, where the designer also did (parts of) the cover art. I would like to keep the credit. The note probably needs to be a bit clearer. Thanks for this! --Willem 10:27, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
What Mad Universe
I own this edition from 1954: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?271572
I was gonna add a late Swedish translation from 1975 and I noticed that
my Swedish translation had changed the year of the first attempt of sending
a rocket to the moon from 1954 (in my 1954 edition) to 1959 (in what I assume
is an attempt to more closely reflect real events?).
I noticed that you own multiple English copies of this title, past and post 1959
and I was just curious if this change of year happened already in the English
versions, or if this is yet again a case of an insincere Swedish translator.
The section of the moon rocket is mentioned already on the first page.
--Spacecow 14:21, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
- I checked the editions I own, and all of them have 1954 as the year of the first attempt. Your idea may be right, and it's certainly worth a note. The first Swedish translation in the database is from 1959, and may be the origin of this date change. Hope this helps.--Willem 15:42, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
- Very interesting. I cannot speak for the 1959 translation, but I will add a note
- to the 1975 translation about the date of the moon rocket.
- Thanks for checking :) --Spacecow 15:51, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
- Very interesting. I cannot speak for the 1959 translation, but I will add a note
Asimov's Nine Tomorrows et al.
Hi Willem. I have here a copy of the July 1960 Bantam edition, similar to this one, except that copyright page states “published simultaneously in the US and Canada". Does your copy have the same statement ? In which case, I'll upgrade the notes. If not, I'll have to make a variant of it, as the other 1960 one only has “in Canada”. TIA, Linguist 06:50, 28 July 2022 (EDT).
- Same thing for Sheckley's Pilgrimage to Earth, and I suppose many others. I also suppose now that it has been a common practice on this db to duplicate a pub with two different countries of publication, though I find this a bit odd and confusing. If this is the case, I'll just verify both versions, although I can't say I approve of the idea ! Cheers, Linguist 08:02, 28 July 2022 (EDT).
- Hi Dominique. I remember Bluesman did a lot (thousands?) of those (he lives in Canada). It is kind of logical to treat these as two different publications, since there is a difference in the copyright pages. My copy of Nine Tomorrows has the statement "Printed in the United Stated of America" at the bottom of the copyright page (between the horizontal lines) and Pilgrimage to Earth also at the bottom of the copyright page, next to last line. Hope that helps. --Willem 14:41, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Thanks Willem, I'll go along with that. My mistake, actually : I was set on the 1959 copyright and the joint US / Canada publication for some obscure reason, and didn't nocice the bit between the lines. Must be either old age or too much booze… Thanks again, Linguist 15:54, 28 July 2022 (EDT).
Another editor has changed the page count for Tuck Volume 2 and Tuck Volume 3 from (8)+(244) to +244 and (8)+(389) to +389 respectively. The page numbering continues across all three volumes of Tuck and I suspect that was the reason for the non-standard numbering. These volumes also have a note explaining the continued numbering of those pages for the Arabic numbers. I don't think that the bracketed count for the pages with Roman numbers is correct. The brackets imply that the pages are not numbered. I would like to change the page count to give the number of pages using Roman numbers (viii+244 for 2 and viii+389 for 3) I would also update the note to explain the continued numbering ([xiii] to xx for 2 and [xxi] to xxviii for 3). I would also adjust the note for Volume 3 to indicate the start of the Arabic numbered pages as  (the page that would be 231 is a section title page and has no number). You have verified one or both of these books. Would you have any objections to my proposed changes? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:46, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
- I think Dirk was working on the cleanup report for "Publications with an Invalid Page Count". Your solution is better, so no objections (I assume you mean 531 for the start of volume III). Thanks! --Willem 14:22, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
The Starfollowers of Coramonde
For The Starfollowers of Coramonde, would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to +361
2. Import the map title (record 1406573) on page  plus fix the map title date
3. Replace "Stated 1st printing" with "First Edition: February 1979" and "No printer's key so first printing assumed." notes.
4. Add LCCN
5. Add notes for cover artist, map artist, LCCN
Thanks! Phil 13:10, 30 July 2022 (EDT)
- No problem, please go ahead. Thanks, --Willem 14:27, 31 July 2022 (EDT)
The Color of Neanderthal Eyes
Hello. Could you double check the cover art credit for this. Certain the credit for Dave Archer is wrong. The planets on the red background is the rear portion of this rotated clockwise 90 degrees. --Mavmaramis 16:41, 1 August 2022 (EDT)
- You're absolutely right. David Archer is credited on the copyright page though, so I changed the credit to "David Archer in error" and varianted the title to Before the Golden Age Volume Four. Thanks! --Willem 15:41, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
- Thanks Willem. --Mavmaramis 16:19, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
Chocky catalog ID
- Mine too. Probably an ancient typo. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 15:30, 2 August 2022 (EDT)
John Carter of Mars
- Thanks for the info. I added the link to the notes. --Willem 14:40, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
- No problem. The error came because the cover is shown on an archived version of Pennington's website but subsequently removed from the current website. The British Edgar Rice Burroughs Facebook page pointed me to the image on BP's fan FB post. --Mavmaramis 16:22, 3 August 2022 (EDT)
Edmund Cooper / Deadly Image
Posted on the talk pages of: Willem H, GlennMcG, Spacecow
I will be editing and PVing Deadly Image and propose to:
1) update date to 1958-05-00, add pub note stating source which is the 1969 Ballantine second printing and update date on title and coverart records
2) add pub note advising that the 1958 UK Hutchinson hc states that it is preceded by this edition
3) delete the Clute/Nichols (sic) reference in accordance with my post: 'Clute/Nicholls and "First Edition"' on the Moderators' Noticeboard dated 3 April 2022 (now archived)
Are you ok with all this? Teallach 18:08, 15 August 2022 (EDT)
- No problem here. Thanks! --Willem 15:16, 16 August 2022 (EDT)
Edmund Cooper / Tomorrow's Gift
Posted on the talk pages of: Kraang, Willem H, Dirk P Broer, GlennMcG, Spacecow
I will be editing and PVing Tomorrow's Gift
1) the pub record has a contents entry "Brain Child". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 63 is "The Brain Child"
2) the pub record has a contents entry "M81-Ursa Major". This matches the TOC but the title of the story on page 95 is "M81: Ursa Major"
I will make the appropriate corrections and add pub notes regarding the discrepancies with the TOC Teallach 17:54, 16 August 2022 (EDT)
- Correct changes. No problem here. Thanks! --Willem 09:27, 17 August 2022 (EDT)
New Writings in SF-18
- Thanks! Edit approved. --Willem 09:39, 17 August 2022 (EDT)
Publisher for The Architecture of Desire
While adding some secondary IDs to your verified record of Mary Gentle's The Architecture of Desire, I noticed that Reginald and Worldcat list the publisher as Bantam Press as opposed to Bantam Books (UK) as is listed in the record and in Locus1. With the descriptions on the the two publishers, it seems more likely that this is Bantam Press. Could you double check the book and change the publisher if we've got it wrong? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:55, 17 August 2022 (EDT)
- It's indeed "Bantam Press" on the title and copyrightpage. Corrected now. Thanks! --Willem 05:05, 18 August 2022 (EDT)
In the Wrong Hands
- And approved. Thanks! --Willem 10:24, 18 August 2022 (EDT)
De fatale zeven dagen
- It's certainly the same signature. If you want to add the credit, be my guest. this one also has a similar signature. Thanks! --Willem 16:21, 3 September 2022 (EDT)
Steps to Midnight
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?304163; 1993 Forge had Seven, but it's 7, so I fixed that and had no need to contact PV because they're long-gone, but 2003 Forge was PV by you, so I fixed your title, too, and cover art title and added the Archive link. The variant situation should probably be fixed because there's probably no edition that actually has Seven on the title page. --Username 11:06, 5 September 2022 (EDT)
Edmund Cooper / Jupiter Laughs and Other Stories
I am editing and PVing Jupiter Laughs and Other Stories. A couple of points:
A) Two different ISBNs are stated in this pub: 0 340 24548 4 on the copyright page and 0 340 22458 4 on the rear flap. Both are valid ISBNs and, following a bit of internet research, neither seems to be assigned to another book so neither is obviously wrong. Worldcat lists both ISBNs under the same entry; British Library only lists 0 340 22458 4. I will add pub notes about all this and propose to change the ISBN field to contain the ISBN stated on the copyright page as I think that should take precedence over the rear flap.
B) ISFDb lists the story on page 133 as "M81: Ursa Major" (no space before "81") but it should be "M 81: Ursa Major" (space before "81") so I propose to import the latter and remove the former. Very pedantic, I know, but the ISFDb help notes state that spaces constitute a different title. NB: both of these titles are variants and already exist.
Is all this ok with you? Teallach (talk) 17:31, 14 September 2022 (EDT)
- Sorry for the late response. I checked my copy and you're right on both counts, so I agree with these changes. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 15:11, 15 September 2022 (EDT)
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?250701; 4 PV, 2 active, 1 of which is not able to check books because they're moving, so you can tell me if your copy ends on 371, not 372; I added Archive link and the only thing on 372 is an ad. --Username (talk) 08:04, 20 September 2022 (EDT)
- Perhaps the scanner forgot the last page? Page 372 is present in my copy, and has the last four lines of the novel. The first ad is on page 373 (not numbered). Accepted your edit and corrected the page count. You should not submit changes like this until after the pv agrees. --Willem (talk) 15:04, 20 September 2022 (EDT)
https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102764; I added FantLab ID to Virgin edition; it shows many photos including the foreword, which has a title: one thousand giant steps for mankind. You PV Penguin, so if it has that title in that edition then it should be entered here; there's less than a handful of online sites besides FantLab that actually list the full title instead of just foreword. --Username (talk) 11:39, 20 September 2022 (EDT)
I found the original of the cover art of this on pinterest with a small signature at left bottom that looks like Karel Thole's signature. (Who else could it be?) Horzel (talk) 17:14, 21 September 2022 (EDT)
John Varley / Titan (map & diagram)
Prelude to Space cover art
Return to Eden
Hi I notice that many of the publication records of Return to Eden contain the appendix, The World West of Eden as well as the prolog and the map as separate entries, so in the interest of consistency I'd like to add them to the contents of the publication you verified if that's OK. Thanks. gzuckier (talk) 00:58, 5 October 2022 (EDT)
- "The World West of Eden": I believe this is present in every edition of the three Eden books. Except for the German and Italian editions, it's now added to no edition of "West of Eden", only one of "Winter in Eden" and two of "Return to Eden". If you want to add it as a separate entry, go ahead (but should it then not be in every edition of the three books?).
- The Prolog: This I also believe to be present in every edition of the three Eden books, and it is added as a separate entry only in two editions of "West of Eden" (see here). I.m.o. it should be removed from these two and be considered as part of the novel(s).
- The map: I didn't find a map in any of the three novels, and also not in the database. This Italian edition has the interior art as (map), but I think that's a mistake. Hope this makes sense. --Willem (talk) 05:39, 5 October 2022 (EDT)
Charles Sheffield / The Nimrod Hunt
Posted on the talk pages of active PVs: Ahasuerus, Willem H., GlennMcG
I am editing and PVing The Nimrod Hunt. There is a pub note stating "Price in Canada: C$4.95". My copy has no Canadian price. Is there a Canadian price on your copy? If we all agree there is not then I will delete this note. I also propose to add a pub note about the discrepancy in the heading of the excerpt on page . This states "...coming in July 1985..." despite Nimrod Hunt being published in August 1986. Teallach (talk) 13:58, 13 October 2022 (EDT)
- Indeed, no Canadian price. It should have been removed when a separate record for the Canadian edition was made. See also this discussion from 2008. It's always good to add notes about discrepancies, so please do. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 14:25, 13 October 2022 (EDT)
Vernor Vinge / The Peace War
I am editing and PVing The Peace War. I will import the existing record for the excerpt of "Between the Strokes of Night" by Charles Sheffield which appears in the unnumbered pages at the end of the book and will adjust the Pages field to 378+ accordingly. I have verified that this excerpt in The Peace War is identical to the excerpt in The Nimrod Hunt. Incidentally, since this pb of The Peace War was published in June 1985, the statement "...coming in July 1985..." at the head of the excerpt now makes sense. Teallach (talk) 16:44, 13 October 2022 (EDT)
- Agreed. I approved the two edits that were still in the queue. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 16:40, 14 November 2022 (EST)
Synthetic Men of Mars
- Thanks! I approved your edits and merged the three coverart titles. See here. --Willem (talk) 16:32, 14 November 2022 (EST)
The House on Parchment Street
Willem, You verified our copy of the 1978 first Aladdin ed. P201369, where I submit correction of a spelling error. --not worth mentioning here.
But I bring to your attention two other submissions concerning the COVERART. I doubt that Amazon image for the 1973 first edition. For now I think we should handle it this way. Submission 5485236, 5485237, 5485238. --Pwendt|talk 19:29, 11 November 2022 (EST)
- Thanks for catching the spelling error. I also approved the other edits, indeed seems to be the best way to handle it for now. Thanks! --Willem (talk) 16:22, 14 November 2022 (EST)
SF: Authors' Choice -- edition statement
- Unfortunately my paperback anthologies are still in storage after the fire of 2020, so I can't reach my copy at the moment. Please make the changes you think necessary. Thanks, --Willem (talk) 03:52, 18 November 2022 (EST)
Light of Zetar
Please see this edit which impacts your verified pub. Based on the Internet Archive scan, it does seem the title should be "The Lights of Zetar". Would you mind double checking your pub if possible? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:30, 20 November 2022 (EST)