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Near Side of the Moon (map)

I'm holding your edit to "Near Side of the Moon (map)". You moderator note is "Map is the exact one used in Luna: Wolf Moon and it is credited to Senior on the copyright page". Is it credited in Luna: New Moon or Luna: Wolf Moon? If Luna: Wolf Moon, then it should remain uncredited for Luna: New Moon and be varianted to Luna: Wolf Moon version. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:36, 21 July 2019 (EDT)

It's credited in "Luna: Wolf moon" so I guess variant it. There's also this link: 23:59, 21 July 2019 (EDT)
Edit rejected and varianted instead. For internal art, it should be entered as uncredited if not credited in the pub. Only cover art is credited within the pub via secondary sources. This is because we don't allow uncredited cover art titles. Another of the ISFDB oddities. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:22, 22 July 2019 (EDT)
I can live with quirks.Jim 22:35, 22 July 2019 (EDT)

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May/June 2019

Is the review for "Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone" in your verified about the complete series or for each book individually? Or just for one book? If it is for the series, it will need to become an essay. If it is for the books individually or for one of them, we need to swap the name and/or just connect to the correct book. Thanks! Annie 15:41, 8 August 2019 (EDT)

It's a small review about the entire set followed by a review of each individual book. Let me know how you want to handle that.Jim 11:02, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
Well, we cannot have a review of a series in the form of a REVIEW (unless you find it in a single title anyway). So we have two choices:
  • Make it an essay.
  • Add all of the books one by one (or the ones that are eligible if not all of them are) and then split this review and create a review for each plus an essay for the complete series.
Up to you - your verification, your choice. :) If someone disagrees, they can change it later. Keep in mind that as these are going to be chapbooks, the reviews will need to be attached to the stories, not to the chapbooks title entries. :) Annie 16:02, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
I'll look at the review and see if it covers all the stories and if it can be split cleanly. If so, I'll do one review for each. Probably won't happen until this weekend.Jim 22:20, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
Okay, I think I'm going to go with splitting it into reviews on each book and an essay on the set as a whole. de Lint goes on for quite some time on the set as a whole. Enough so that it warrants essay status. I'll submit the changes shortly.Jim 10:21, 24 August 2019 (EDT)
Any plans to add the books so we can link them? :) In the meantime, can you check the spelling of the name of the author of Black Hat - the publisher shows it differently. We will need to fix it on the review but a note may be in order in case the spelling is like that in the magazine. Thanks! Annie 12:30, 29 August 2019 (EDT)
Fixed the spelling of Hirons. Hadn't planned to add the books but I can go the website and get the information. Will try to do it over the weekend.Jim 12:36, 31 August 2019 (EDT)
When a review is not connected, it pop ups on one of the reports :) So someone needs to add the books sooner or later. Thanks for doing it here - and sorry for the delay - was mostly off for a few days. :) Annie 14:01, 4 September 2019 (EDT)
I removed the essay as per your other note so all is good now. You may want to use the | format for page numbers to order the reviews on page 58 :) Annie 14:03, 4 September 2019 (EDT)
And in the July/August, can you check if this is really about Susan and not Sarah instead? Thanks! Annie 15:44, 8 August 2019 (EDT)
Correction submitted (as well as a page number error I caught going through it). Thanks.Jim 11:02, 10 August 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! I connected the review (when the connection does not happen on the initial creation (due to a typo or a missing title for example), it needs to be done manually) Annie 16:02, 12 August 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! Glad that's over! 01:00, 14 September 2019 (EDT)

The Fire Chronicle

For this book you added two covers with two different authors: Can you please specify in the pub notes why? I assume one is the inner one and one the red outer one. Correct? --Stoecker 05:18, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

Correct. The system wouldn't let me add an additional artist. Note update submitted.Jim 13:36, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone by Tom Hirons

I found in Your PV The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, May/June 2019 a review on page 57 "Seven Doors in an Unyielding Stone" by Tim Hirons. I tried to find that publication, but couldn't. Instead I found a series of seven books with this title here edited by Tom Hirons. So can You please check the review in Your magazine what it says? --Zapp 04:58, 19 August 2019 (EDT)

Zapp, see 2 messages above - he is already checking on that one and figuring out how to record what we have in the magazine. Annie 05:18, 19 August 2019 (EDT)
^^Discussion on this will be above. Thanks.^^Jim 10:17, 24 August 2019 (EDT)

Locus1 verifications

Hello Jim,

You secondary verified a 2017 edition of Quillifer against Locus1. However, this specific verification is for verifications in this index and it stopped being updated in 2007. What exactly did you verify about this book and where when you marked it as verified in Locus1? Thanks!

I'll stop marking them verified in Locus1. I was marking them when they were listed in the magazine. My mistake.Jim 16:42, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
Ah, I see. Easy to mix these up. Thanks for the understanding. The stats page shows 113 Locus1 verifications to your name. If I get a list, I will post it back here - the verifications is one thing that cannot be changed from the moderators. Not urgent but one of those days we need to clean those. :) Annie 16:52, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
I'll update them if you post it. I want things to be accurate.Jim 17:06, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

PS: On a separate topic: the policy is to archive the messages on one's Talk page, not to delete them altogether. I will fish out the ones you deleted awhile back and set an archive page for you later today. :) Annie 12:38, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

My old talk pages were archived and I don't remember deleting them. I sort of wondered where they went. ;)Jim 16:42, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
So there may be a copy somewhere - let me see if I can find it before copying back from history and making a new archive :) PS: this is the update that deleted them. Annie 16:52, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
Found them and found your older archives as well - added the latest to the list and added a link to the list of them on top of the current discussion page - you may want to leave that conversation always on top. Feel free to reorganize if you prefer a different organization. Annie 17:00, 21 September 2019 (EDT)
Thanks. That works for me.Jim 17:06, 21 September 2019 (EDT)

The self-interview thing

A lot of those essays are essentially interviews with questions and answers - thus the self-interview thing :) If another PV decides they want it differently, they can discuss with you. I need to dig my own copies and add the ones we are missing... Annie 21:10, 7 October 2019 (EDT)

PS: Added the series to the editor, added the disambiguation and the series to the last essay and fixed one capitalized "With" in Moreno-Garcia's essay. Will leave you to finalize the rest. Let me know if you need assistance! Annie 21:13, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for the info on the self-interviews. Looking over these neither one is a question/answer thing so I'm going to leave them as essays. If someone wants to change them later for consistency's sake I'm not going to quibble.Jim 22:31, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
There is some work to be done on both magazines (reviews to be connected, some column series and so on). Let me know if you need some help with those :) Annie
Yep, just been out and about all day. Just got home and haven't had a chance, yet. ;)Jim 22:47, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
No worries. I had been on planes and airports most of the day so just catching up as well. I will leave you to it :) Annie 22:50, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
Unfortunately editing the title once the review record is created will not link them. You need to manually link - go to the review page and look in the left menu. There is a "Link Review to Title" link. Click on it and link them this way. Annie 23:50, 7 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks. Didn't know that (it would have saved some time earlier this year). I was more concerned about getting the issue of F&SF into C.C. Finlay's list. The initial entry flashed an error message and said that it would be done automatically.Jim 00:02, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
If you get it right the first time and there is an exact match and only one (if an author has a story and a novel by the same name the software won't know which one to pick), it gets connected. Once the record is created, it needs to be done manually - and if the "subtitle" in the magazine is different from the one on the book, it won't matter really (although a discrepancy should be checked) :) One of those oddities of the DB. If you see the same message, can you copy the exact wording? Annie 00:11, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

(unindent) One more thing: The review goes to the story record, not the chapbook record. Think of the chapbook just as a special container we use here to record single stories - it cannot be in series, it cannot be reviewed... :) Annie 00:16, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

Noted.Jim 00:20, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
And one more - columns need disambiguation - either by a title (if there is one) or by adding the issue name. Otherwise this series and this series will look absolutely useless. And I will fix the few in the latter that are not disambiguated. Annie 00:19, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
Noted.Jim 00:20, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
Magazines can be... fun. Especially our long standing ones with long series... :) Thanks for adding those by the way - we are way behind on magazines this year :( Annie 00:23, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

Starmont Reader's Guides

I'm trying to find out how the cover illustrations were credited in the early Starmont reader's guides. You verified Fritz Leiber and Hal Clement. The credit as we have it now is to 'Stephen Fabian' (Leiber) or 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Stephen Fabian' (Clement). In my copy copy of the Leiber it's 'Stephen E. Fabian, Sr. and Stephen Fabian, Jr.' and I have a strong suspicion the Clement is credited that way too. Could you check these for me? Thanks, --Willem 15:30, 11 October 2019 (EDT)

Your suspicions serve you well. It is credited to both on the Clement.Jim 01:59, 13 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks! One more confirmation and I'll start correcting the credits. --Willem 14:02, 13 October 2019 (EDT)
Not sure why I didn't catch that since I entered both in my own catalog.Jim 00:25, 14 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks for checking. I credited Leiber and Clement to both Fabians, and added a note to the pub series. --Willem 14:37, 19 October 2019 (EDT)
Glad it's fixed.Jim 00:26, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2019


There are still two unlinked reviews in your verified. I was planning to link them but the works they review are not eligible for inclusion in the DB. Do you mind if I convert these two to essays? Annie 04:27, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

Be my guest.Jim 01:20, 18 October 2019 (EDT)
Done. Annie 01:59, 18 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks!Jim 02:00, 18 October 2019 (EDT)

A Betrayal in Blood

This novel should probably be added somewhere under this series :) Annie 22:31, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

And it was - I moved it though the main series is only for the originals). Annie 22:34, 21 October 2019 (EDT)
Thanks. I'll remember that for any future entries.Jim 22:38, 21 October 2019 (EDT)
No worries, someone will move it if it is not where it belongs. As a rule, when we have new authors into an established 1-author universe (which is not a continuation like Sanderson and the Wheel of Time), we spin them into their own series - either with a parent on top or with the main series as a parent. Keeps things... cleaner. We are not always consistent but still... :) Annie 22:41, 21 October 2019 (EDT)
It works.22:43, 21 October 2019 (EDT)

The Mammoth Book of Steampunk

In comparing our record for The Mammoth Book of Steampunk against an Internet Archive scan, I found a few things that I hope you can double check for me:

  • p31, ISFDB credit is by Elise Tobler, but the scan shows E. Catherine Tobler on the title page.
  • p84, ISFDB has "Muhammed" (e) in the title, but the scan shows "Muhammad" (a) on the title page.
  • p306, ISFDB has "Dr." (period) in the title, but the scan shows "Dr" (no period) on the title page.

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:11, 22 October 2019 (EDT)

Will try to check this when I can. I'm leaving for a trip and won't be back until after the first of November.Jim 23:53, 26 October 2019 (EDT)
Did you ever have a chance to check this? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:44, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Have not. Trying to find it. It went back into storage and I haven't found which box it went into yet. I'm still looking.Jim 19:13, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Since you haven't found it and the scan matches that publication record (US first printing), I went ahead and made the changes to match the scan since they are likely database typos. If you find the book and determine the scan differs, ping me and I will restore the prior version and then clone a new record for the scanned version. Thanks for looking. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:21, 3 December 2019 (EST)

The Da Vinci Cod and Other Illustrations for Unwritten Books

Collections and anthologies require fiction content; artbooks and books of essays are recorded as non-fiction. I changed the type here. Thanks! Annie 22:38, 9 November 2019 (EST)

Thanks.Jim 23:19, 9 November 2019 (EST)

The Great Snape Debate

Hi, I have corrected the author to 'uncredited', as we credit per what is stated on the title page (and then variant, if the real author / editor is known), and the date, since Amazon really uses the first day of a month if they dont have the exact day of publication. Thanks for that one, anyway. Christian Stonecreek 04:17, 12 November 2019 (EST)

Thanks for the corrections. I'll send the cover.Jim 00:08, 13 November 2019 (EST)

Egg & Spoon

I accepted you edits to Egg & Spoon. Based on your moderator & publication notes, shouldn't the cover art credit be changed? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:27, 24 November 2019 (EST)

Yes, it should but it's grayed out in this one. Will have to be changed in another entry. I'm not sure where the Doug Smith attribution comes from unless they're just copying from Maguire's other books.Jim 13:30, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Yup, I changed it. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:34, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Okay. I'll kill the change I submitted, then. Thanks.Jim 13:36, 24 November 2019 (EST)

ESB Professional

Are you sure that we want to record this one this way? We credit the artists, this looks like a design/photo arrangements? Annie 00:59, 26 November 2019 (EST)

Ps: That cover had a variant under the wrong name so I fixed that as well. Annie 01:01, 26 November 2019 (EST)
The cover credits the man on the cover to Knowles and the DNA strands to ESB Professional. I'll go with whatever you decide but they distinctly credit 2 different "artists".Jim 01:07, 26 November 2019 (EST)
Let's leave it like that for now - if someone disagrees, we can correct. If I were adding it, I would credit the artist and note the DNA strands in the notes only. But either way works. Thanks for correcting this one! :) Annie 01:15, 26 November 2019 (EST)
No problem. If it bugs someone, I'm okay with a change.Jim 12:12, 28 November 2019 (EST)

Nice for What

Can you check this story and its author name. Is it by any chance "Dominica Phetteplace" instead of "Dominca Phettaplace" on the title page of the story. Thanks! Annie 21:41, 30 November 2019 (EST)

Yes. Correction submitted.Jim 00:30, 3 December 2019 (EST)
So is it "Dominca Phetteaplace" (as submitted by you just now) or Dominica Phetteplace (I have a hold on an edit that changes it do that)?
No. "Dominca Phetteplace". The "a" was supposed to be backspaced out but it apparently didn't take. Thanks for the catch.Jim 00:35, 3 December 2019 (EST)
So Dominca and not Dominica? (sorry - just making sure so we do not need to keep fixing it :). And this is from the title page, correct? Can you check if the contents has the same spelling (if not, I will be happy to write the note for the situation). Annie 00:41, 3 December 2019 (EST)
"Dominica Phetteplace" on both TOC and title page of story. I should have double-checked typing. This will be the last. I promise. ;)Jim 00:44, 3 December 2019 (EST)
I will then approve the one I have on hold that sent me here asking you to check -- and thanks for checking again! Annie 00:45, 3 December 2019 (EST)
You're welcome. Again, thanks for the catch.Jim 00:52, 3 December 2019 (EST)

Foundation and Earth - Asimov

Hi Jim, your Limited Edition here is in discussion at Biomassbob's page here [1]. Perhaps you could take a look? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 20:55, 6 December 2019 (EST)

Larry Richards

Thanks for adding the details for this author but I had to massage the data a bit - the format for the legal name is always "Last, First Middles" and as we are an international DB, the birthplace should always contain the country :) Annie 00:50, 8 December 2019 (EST)

Thanks!Jim 00:57, 8 December 2019 (EST)


All EDITOR records need to have a series which will create the grid for them. Now... it may not be worth creating the yearly record when there is only one issue but we do need a series :) Annie 02:05, 15 December 2019 (EST)

I guess it's a must, then. ;)Jim 02:13, 15 December 2019 (EST)

The indexed pieces by Charles Kurts

Hi, it would seem that these works should belong somewhere in the 'Star Trek' universe. Is that so, and could you add the respective series? Christian Stonecreek 10:09, 17 December 2019 (EST)

I've submitted a couple of them. I'll have to dig out the book to get the rest in the proper place.Jim 13:39, 21 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks! Christian Stonecreek 14:05, 21 December 2019 (EST)
No problem! It may take a bit on the rest.Jim 14:07, 21 December 2019 (EST)

World Tales

I approved this by mistake - planned to hold so I can come ask if it is the same as this. If so, would you mind moving your PV and any notes you want and I will delete the new one. If it is different, can we add a line or two on how it is different. Thanks and sorry for the mistake. Annie 18:02, 21 December 2019 (EST)

Yes, they are the same as near as I can tell. Here's a proposal: I'll move my notes over and combine them with the existing ones. I'll leave the contents alone. The cover I was going to upload has the included prints next to it so it's more complete than the current one so I'll upload that and we'll call it good. Let me know if this is acceptable and I'll do it.Jim 19:14, 21 December 2019 (EST)
Check with the other PV about the cover maybe - just in case there are two covers actually - which may mean two different editions? Doubt it but... who knows. Annie 20:03, 21 December 2019 (EST)
His cover is identical to mine. It would just be the addition of the 2 inclusions to the right.Jim 21:30, 21 December 2019 (EST)
Ah, okey then. The plan sounds good then. Annie 21:46, 21 December 2019 (EST)
I'll do the changes and submit them.Jim 00:53, 22 December 2019 (EST)
I would have preferred that as a primary verifier, we had discussed these changes before they had been made. I do see some changes that I disagree with. First the change of the title type from NONFICTION to ANTHOLOGY. Under the definition of NONFICTION on this help page states " A publication that contains both non-fiction and fiction should be typed by that which is predominant.". I would argue that this publication is primarily appreciations of the guests of the convention and other essays and thus predominantly non-fiction. My other concern is with the prints that were included with the publication. These are essentially interior artwork (by our definition) and I feel strongly that they should not be included in the cover scan. I'm not a lawyer, but my understanding of the fair use that we assert by providing cover scans (as noted in the template) would not cover the inclusion of additional artwork from the publication which is under copyright. I'll also note that the scan is larger that our standards allow, which should be no larger than 600 pixels in their largest dimension (See here.) I believe that we should revert the image of the cover alone which is also of the proper size. I will also note that I acquired my copy of this book from the secondary market and the prints were not included. I think they probably should be listed as INTERIORART content items with the titles given. We could either leave the page number blank of enter it as "laid in" as appropriate. Please let me know if you agree. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:25, 22 December 2019 (EST)
Ron, If you want to change the scan back, I'm good with that. I just included them for the sake of showing the complete publication. As for the change from non-fiction to anthology...I have no idea where that change came from since I never touched it. The only thing I did was copy notes in and upload the new cover. I DID create a new entry for this publication as I did not know that yours existed until anniemod pointed it out but I have put it in for deletion and it's gone.Jim 11:27, 22 December 2019 (EST)
Thanks Jim. I've made the changes as discussed. Annie had changed it to an anthology and I assumed that was in preparation for your changes since her edit was shortly before yours. In any case, please take a look and let me know if it looks good to you. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:10, 23 December 2019 (EST)
Yep - the anthology change was me - based on the faulty approval (Jim has it as an anthology as well) and the fact that it had stories. I still would call that an anthology but I am fine with it staying a non-fiction - it did not cross my mind that it is not just as simple typo. Sorry about that. :) Sounds like we are back to normal here? Annie 11:00, 23 December 2019 (EST)
Works for me.Jim 23:38, 23 December 2019 (EST)

Demon Dentist

Hi, why do you want to change the publication date for Deamon Dentist? I have the page here, with March 1, 2016. Take care with the 'Look Inside' view, it often shows another edition.--Dirk P Broer 04:04, 23 December 2019 (EST)

Fatigue. I was looking at the trade paper version.Jim 23:41, 23 December 2019 (EST)

The Psychology of Time Travel

Hello. We tend to record glossaries as ESSAY, not SHORT FICTION. Could you check your PV'd The Psychology of Time Travel and if indeed it's not a short story, adjust accordingly (or conversely, add a note that notwithstanding what its title suggests, that it -is- really a short story)? Thanks! MagicUnk 06:16, 2 January 2020 (EST)

I entered them as short stories because they were "in-universe" as noted in the notes. They were not essays explaining things in the novel from the author's point of view. If they need to be changed to essays then I will go ahead and do that. I'm not exactly sure what the standard is on this. Let me know. Thanks.Jim 23:30, 2 January 2020 (EST)
Hi Jim, see also here for a similar discussion. I agree it's a thin line sometimes, but I record a glossary an ESSAY if it lists & briefly explains/clarifies terminology and (character) names. Conversely, if it does not - for example because the glossary contains extensive 'in-story' description of items, then it can be considered SHORTFICTION. MagicUnk 06:46, 3 January 2020 (EST)
I think I'm going to go with that and remove the shortstory length as it is fiction rather than the author speaking directly to the reader outside the scope of the novel. Correction submitted.Jim 23:02, 3 January 2020 (EST)
Thanks! MagicUnk 16:26, 4 January 2020 (EST)
Glad that's settled.Jim 18:57, 4 January 2020 (EST)

Dickson's The Dragon at War

Added the Canadian cover price to our verified hc. Thanks. PeteYoung 01:03, 14 January 2020 (EST)

Thanks!Jim 14:01, 19 January 2020 (EST)

Clarke County, Space - Allen Steele

Hello Jim, you are PV for this pub. I see that the cover art is credited to Hardy on the dust jacket. I have the Legend 1991 1st pb printing of this and so, whilst trying to sort out the art credit, I found this page showing the art credited to Julian Baum / Science Photo Library. Meanwhile, I've asked Biomassbob if he would have a look in his copy of "Hardyware: The Art of David A. Hardy" to see if there's any reference to this work in there. I've checked Hardy's website links but this art's not there. What do you make of it all?

When I do my 1991 pb edit, I will be crediting the cover art to Baum. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 12:00, 2 February 2020 (EST)

I don't see this image in any of the Hardy collections I can find on-line and it does NOT have his signature in the usual place (although it could have been cropped on the cover). I'm inclined to go with Baum on this. Since you discovered it go ahead and make the change on the original. I'm good with it.Jim 12:19, 2 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks Jim. I'll just wait to see if Bob finds anything before I make the change. I'll add explanation into your pub.notes too. Kev. BanjoKev 13:10, 2 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks for the catch.14:43, 2 February 2020 (EST)

As She Climbed Across the Table

Hi. It would be good if you made yourself a primary verifier on As She Climbed Across the Table. --MartyD 07:42, 17 February 2020 (EST)

Just hadn't gotten around to it after it was approved and before I had to get to work. I'm on it!Jim 23:17, 17 February 2020 (EST)

The Writer's Complete Fantasy Reference: An Indispensable Compendium of Myth and Magic

You were the last one to edit this pub so hoping you might be able to help me. The title transliteration field has David H. Borcherding which is obviously not a transliteration. Do you know what was intended there? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:02, 23 February 2020 (EST)

Yes, that's called entering the information into the wrong field. I meant to put it into the Author1 field since Borcherding is explicitly credited as the editor on the copyright page. I can submit a correction if you want or you can just fix it. Let me know.Jim 18:36, 23 February 2020 (EST)
I've submitted a correction and it has been accepted.Jim 23:35, 23 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:02, 25 February 2020 (EST)

Jurassic World: Special Edition Junior Novelization

Hi, with this page count and the core of juvenile readers, I do suspect that the text is only of SHORTFICTION length, thus making its publication a CHAPBOOK. Do you have any word count at hand (estimates are also welcome)? Christian Stonecreek 03:21, 25 February 2020 (EST)

I Did a quick rough count and it clocks in at around 30,000 words tops. CHAPBOOK.Jim 09:50, 25 February 2020 (EST)
Thanks for looking this up! Christian Stonecreek 12:53, 25 February 2020 (EST)
No problem.00:34, 27 February 2020 (EST)

Cover art for The Other Sister

Hi! We wouldn't credit a cover designer, and in this case it even would be a cover art for a nongenre publication (which we also don't index and don't upload). I have removed the cover art title and added an amazon image. Thanks, Stonecreek 00:03, 20 April 2020 (EDT)

Okay. The cover designer IS the cover artist in this case but whatever the rules say.Jim 00:06, 20 April 2020 (EDT)

Changing dates


When changing dates on books such as this one, please make sure you change the dates of all internal titles as well. If you are just adding new titles, they will get their dates from the publication date. But if the titles already exist, they will not get changed when a pub date is changed. I fixed all the titles here (pubEdit for the ones that were only published here; one by one for the rest) but just heads up for the future. Annie 16:55, 20 April 2020 (EDT)

Thanks. And noted.Jim 21:58, 20 April 2020 (EDT)

The Hugo Winners: Volume 4

Hello. A new editor wishes to update the starting page number of the first story, Home Is the Hangman by Zelazny, of the anthology that you have PV'd, from 1. to 5. - see this submission. Can you confirm this is actually correct? Thanks! MagicUnk 16:59, 28 April 2020 (EDT)

Hello, new editor here. I apologize for overlooking any steps I should have taken. In my first edition copy, the first story appears to start on page 5. While there is no page number on this particular page, the preceding two pages (containing the 2-page introduction by Asimov) are consecutively numbered as 3 and 4. Similarly, the pages following the title page of Home Is the Hangman are consecutively numbered as 6, 7, 8,... Does this match your copy? Thanks! Riselka 11:39, 30 April 2020 (EDT)
In the meantime, I went ahead and accepted Riselka's edit. Nevertheless, do let us know if there should be an issue regardless. Regards, MagicUnk 13:11, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

War of the Worlds: The Resurrection • novelization

posted to Don Erikson; Nihonjoe; SFJuggler

Hi, You are one verifier of our only publication P53757. I submitted re-classification from series The War of the Worlds to series War of the Worlds Sequels, based on the title note "A continuation of Wells' series, based on the TV series from the 1980s or 1990s."

On second thought I notify the active verifiers (3). If it is not a sequel, then I suggest the note needs amendment and H. G. Wells should be booked as a co-author. --Pwendt|talk 23:21, 29 April 2020 (EDT)

Already changed so no input needed.Jim 13:01, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Science Fiction from China

Hello. As one of the primary verifiers of 29108, I wanted to check-in with you about a missing short story, "Death Ray on a Coral Island" by Tong Enzheng (English translation of 2394091), that should begin on page 97. Does this match your copy? Thanks! Riselka 14:19, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Unfortunately, this book has gone back into storage so I am unable to get to it at the moment to check. I'll put it on the "to do" list.Jim 15:46, 2 May 2020 (EDT)

Jules Verne translations

I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the Jules Verne Translations wiki. Thank you. ../Doug H 15:08, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

This book has gone back into storage and is not available for quick retrieval at the moment. I will put it on the "to do" list.Jim 15:49, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
I've been at this for 2 years and am at the stage of ticking boxes to cover off what I can. If it takes more than a month or two, please try to ping my Talk page as a reminder. Thanks. ../Doug H 17:10, 17 May 2020 (EDT)
Will do. I admire your persistence.Jim 18:07, 17 May 2020 (EDT)

The Croquet Player

Hi, You verified our record of a February 1937 US edition P417007. Is that date stated in the book?
Is yours a dustjacket image?

You don't say whether the front illustration is clearly by an artist different from the credited interior illustrator Clifford Lines. What do you think of that, and also the other cover illustrations we show: P304122, P486889. (We don't report from usual sources whether the former UK edition is illustrated inside. I will check newspaper coverage.) --Pwendt|talk 14:25, 21 May 2020 (EDT)

I'm thinking it's a different person. The signature on the front could be "stubbs" or "suggs" or something like that but I've never been able to pin it down.Jim 16:32, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Legal Name format reminder

Just a friendly reminder that Legal Names should always be in "Last, First Middle(s)" format. I fixed it here after your update :) Annie 22:47, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

D'oh! Thanks.Jim 23:33, 24 May 2020 (EDT)


Hello. As you've PV'd this pub, I wanted to ask you if you would mind I changed the page numbering for the map from bp to [1], and correspondingly changed the pagination to [2]+391 (as that is the more common approach, and signifies the map then appear on the first page of the two unnumbered pages preceding page 1). And I wanted to add following to the notes: 'Novel ends on p.388. Acknowlegments on pp.[389] through 391, signed --Suzanne [over] NOVEMBER, 2018'? Thanks! MagicUnk 16:38, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

Go for it. While you're in there could you change " puts the publication date at 2019-04-02." to "Catalog of Copyright Number TX0008767429 puts the publication date at 2019-04-02."? The Copyright office has finally registered the copyright on this.Jim 19:21, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
Done! MagicUnk 09:28, 31 May 2020 (EDT)
Thank you!Jim 13:04, 31 May 2020 (EDT)

The Hugo Movie Companion: A Behind the Scenes Look at How a Beloved Book Became a Major Motion Picture

Is this book only about the making of the movie? If so, I am not sure it falls under out Non-fiction eligibility (as clarified in the last few weeks):

  • Published non-fiction works about speculative fiction which can be plausibly linked to published (as defined above) speculative fiction. This rule allows the inclusion of secondary bibliographies, i.e. bibliographies of bibliographies, which are two steps removed from published speculative fiction. It also allows the inclusion of non-fiction works about shared cross-media universes like "Doctor Who" and "Star Wars", but only as long as there is a plausible connection to the universe's published component. Thus a book about "Star Trek physics" can be included (because it applies to all types of media including novels) while a book about Star Trek movie outtakes and bloopers should be excluded.

If I am reading correctly what the book is about, it will fall under the last category so ineligible. The second way to include it will be as a non-genre If Brian Selznick is considered above treshold - which will open the door for every book he ever did. What do you think? I will also seek other opinions but thought I start here. Annie 04:19, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Probably falls into the second category even with the essays about automatons and Georges Méliès (A Trip to the Moon, etc.).Jim 14:19, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Is there any discussion on the technology inside of the novel and so on? Or is it strictly a movie book? The last two notes does make it sound like it may have enough non movie stuff to be borderline enough to get it in. Annie 15:14, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
The essays about automatons and Georges Méliès still circle back to their connection with the film. I don't think it meets the threshold.Jim 16:44, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
I am trying to find a reason to let it in - as you did the work on adding it (I hate losing work done by editors) and it is from the author of the novel, it is enough in the grey area to be good to have if we can find that plausible connection (and document it so someone does not delete it next week for being non-genre) :) Even if it circles back to the film, if the novels' ideas and how they are getting implemented is covered, I will approve. As you are the only one that had seen the book, up to you. If it is indeed about the movie only, I will reject. You may also check this for some more thoughts. At this point I am inclined to reject based on what you are saying :( Annie 17:00, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
It IS by the author of the original work but other than that it's still gray area. I've had other entries reject and if it is rejected I'm okay with that. The work is not lost as I've also entered it into Open Library (OL24853605M).Jim 17:28, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
Based on what you said and based on what I can find, I am going to reject it as not "plausibly" connected. These days we have a "unreject" so the decision can be revised if further discussion proves that it is indeed needed in the DB. Sorry :( Annie 23:29, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
No worries.Jim 18:14, 20 June 2020 (EDT)

War in 2080

Added cover art credit for this from Book Club Associates edition. --Mavmaramis 06:45, 7 June 2020 (EDT)

Thanks. Since I noted in the notes that the cover art was credited I'm not sure why I didn't put it in the listing. Oversight, I guess.Jim 18:13, 20 June 2020 (EDT)

Added content ...

... to Machine Man. Christian Stonecreek 02:41, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Cool.Jim 18:17, 20 June 2020 (EDT)


I changed a review in The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fition, January-February 2020 that you verified from a review to an essay, since the pub is a comic book and the artist is rightly not in the data base. Bob 20:18, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

Noted.Jim 18:18, 20 June 2020 (EDT)

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2020

In Your verified magazine there is a Review of the comic book "Farmhand". But there are at least two volumes #1 and #2. What do You think is the one of the review? --Zapp 14:18, 18 June 2020 (EDT)

The review is a general overview of the Farmhand universe/storyline. He specifically mentions Volume 2 in the third paragraph as currently being out (including publisher and price details).Jim 18:23, 20 June 2020 (EDT)
JLaTondre rejected the submitted associated publication as an ineligible work (comic) and Biomassbob changed the review into an essay. --Zapp 08:07, 21 June 2020 (EDT)
Okay.Jim 14:28, 4 July 2020 (EDT)

Tobias Buckell: Many Hands Lift

For Tobias Buckell: Many Hands Lift, can you please confirm the author interviewed himself? While quite possible, it is unusual so want to make sure it's not a database error. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:51, 20 July 2020 (EDT)

It's listed as an interview in the TOC but Buckell is the only person listed. The "interview" ends on page 65 and is by-lined as by Tobias S. Buckell. If you look at some of the earlier Locus listings you'll see that this is not uncommon, an author "interviewing" themselves. Myself, I would list it as an article but Locus lists them as "interviews".Jim 17:31, 1 August 2020 (EDT)
Thanks. I added a title note to avoid future questions. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:07, 1 August 2020 (EDT)
Works for me.Jim 11:21, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

A George Turner essay/review

May I draw your attention to this? Your verified pub Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd has an essay by Turner, Philip K. Dick by 1975: Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said, which has been varianted by someone as a review by Turner of the same book in SF Commentary #76. In my verified SFC76 it appears as a review (ie. "Reviewed: Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said by Philip K. Dick") and begins "One of the disadvantages of writing reviews...". Can you check if the essay in your pub is indeed the same, and if so would you prefer it listed as an essay or review? I'm fine either way. Cheers. PeteYoung 16:09, 22 July 2020 (EDT)

This one has gone into deep storage so it won't be easy to get it back right now. But since "Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd" is a "Best of..." collection and probably contains no new material I suspect that it just a direct reprint from Commentary #76 and is most likely a review.Jim 17:27, 1 August 2020 (EDT)
I'm currently verifying my copy of "Philip K. Dick: Electric Shepherd". I already varianted a number of the essays to their original appearance in SF Commentary. Philip K. Dick by 1975: Flow My Tears, The Policeman Said is indeed the same as the review in SF Commentary #76 (at least it starts with the same words). In his editor's note Bruce Gillespie states "George Turner sums up what he sees as the direction of Dick's career by writing a long review of this book. This article is scheduled to appear in SF Commentary 44". Apparently it had to wait for #76 to be printed. I will change it to a review. I will also add the essay starting on page 49 as "Introduction (The Android and the Human)", that appeared in SF Commentary 31 under the title "Letter to Bruce Gillespie (31 October 1972)" and some notes. Please check my changes when you find your copy again. Thanks, --Willem 14:31, 20 November 2021 (EST)
Looks good, Willem. Still no access to my copy, but as I said above I'm fine with it being a Review. Thanks. PeteYoung 08:38, 21 November 2021 (EST)

Red Dwarf VIII

I accepted Red Dwarf VIII, but I noticed that page 60 and 61 are both "Introduction: Back in the Red-Part Three". Should that second one be just "Back in the Red-Part Three"? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:03, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Yep. I'll fix it when I upload the cover.Jim 17:32, 2 August 2020 (EDT)

Two from Yasser Bhajatt

Hi Jim, the author and publisher of Yaq̈teenya: The Old World and H W J N, a new editor here as Ybahjatt, wishes to change the publisher field to "Yatakhayaloon" in these pubs, saying the League of Arabic Scifiers is just a tagline and not the name of the publisher. I've checked on Amazon Look Inside and Yatakhayaloon is present in both publications. As PV is this OK by you? Thanks. PeteYoung 17:04, 29 August 2020 (EDT)

Most definitely! Don't know how I missed that.Jim 11:53, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

Simak's 'Over the River and Through the Woods'

Hi. Re your verified, is it bound in brown leather? Mine is leather-bound, but with no limitation page or Poul Anderson signature. Trying figure out if it's the standard trade edition, or something else. Thanks. Markwood 15:27, 30 August 2020 (EDT)

My copy is in deep storage at the moment so I cannot confirm but I don't remember anything special about the binding (that it was leather or anything). I'll put it on the list to check.Jim 11:59, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

The January Dancer

Is the interior artwork credit in The January Dancer only the maps as implied by the pub note? If so, then it we would add "(map)" to the title. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:22, 19 September 2020 (EDT)

Fix submitted.Jim 11:56, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

Cold Storage

Hello Jim, concerning your submission for Cold Storage, I wanted to confer with other moderators that cover art should not have two records if two artists contributed. Rather, it requires only one COVERART record with two artists. In addition, I standardized the INTERIORART record to just read "Cold Storage", if you want to emphasize that it's on the title page, you can say so in the Notes. Also, I've added page numbers - assuming the title page is the one page you added to the page count, and that the novel starts on p.1. Let me know if that would be incorrect. Have a look. And apologies for the delay - I totally lost sight of your submission that I still had on hold. Regards, MagicUnk 13:32, 16 October 2020 (EDT)

The extra page is not the title page but a page after the end of the novel with some content (acknowledgments, I believe). As for the two different artists for the cover...they each provided a discrete photographic element that the cover designer blended to make the cover. Since they did not work together I don't believe that you can really group them as a single artist and since ISFDB lets you add additional artists I assumed that this was the accepted way to indicate that the cover was the work of more than one person. I'll be interested to see the final decision. Thanks for getting back to me.Jim 23:33, 16 October 2020 (EDT)
By the way, this one needs a fix too as outlined by Ron below :) Do remove the [1] from the number of pages, and add a note explaining that the Acknowledgements are on the unnumbered page [309]. MagicUnk 16:08, 21 October 2020 (EDT)

All Rights Reserved

I approved your edit to All Rights Reserved. However, I edited it afterword to remove the notation of unnumbered pages at the end of the book. We only make this notation when there is content on those pages that has been indexed. I see in your notes that acknowledgements appear on those pages, which is content we generally don't index. Thus there is no need to note the pages in the page count. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:31, 17 October 2020 (EDT)

Okay.Jim 12:22, 17 October 2020 (EDT)

Wyndham's Wanderers of Time

Could I get you to check the title page of John Wyndham's Wanderers of Time. I've been fixing the Coronet printings of this title where the author is credited as "John Wyndham writing as John Beynon Harris". I suspect that the title page for the Severn House is credited the same, but the Worldcat record suggests that it may be "John Wyndham writing as J.B. Harris" or even simply "John Wyndham". I've been able to verify the other printings are "writing as John Beynon Harris". I'll leave yours as simply "John Wyndham" unless you tell me otherwise. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:14, 18 October 2020 (EDT)

I'll put it on the list of things to check but it may be a while as it's in deep storage at the moment.Jim 13:41, 18 October 2020 (EDT)

Locke - Science Fiction First Editions

Found a listing on Abe for a hardcover edition of this. Listing description text states: Black cloth, gilt title spine. One of 49 copies signed by the author, of a total edition of 56 copies. See listing. Image shows yellow dustwrapper. Any idea where the note that "Seven hardcover copies bound in black buckram with a yellow dustjacket were also produced" came from ? --Mavmaramis 14:35, 18 October 2020 (EDT)

The Science-Fantasy Publishers by Chalker & Owings (Electronic Edition, 1999), page 786. I have submitted an updated entry and cloned it twice to make new entries for the different editions. They will show up as soon as the updated entries are accepted.Jim 14:53, 18 October 2020 (EDT)
Edit. I posted the same query to RTrace he's confirmed the situation regarding the 7 hardback copies (from Chalker & Owings same saource as you) but states there were another 49 hardback copies issued as well. Perhaps liase with him regarding how bestto deal with it. Also you removed the ISFDB cover art and replaced it with an Amazon one. --Mavmaramis 12:44, 19 October 2020 (EDT)
The other 49 are accounted for here. As for replacing the ISFDB cover art...not sure how that happened as I don't remember touching the art in any way. If you can revert it, great. If not, I can upload a new copy.Jim 19:07, 19 October 2020 (EDT)
Looks. good. It's fine I re-uploaded the scan from my copy - albeit a very grubby copy which somewone seems to have done some editing on. No compliants mind. --Mavmaramis 09:16, 20 October 2020 (EDT)
There's still a problem with the 49 copies. It carried the price & format from the tpb. I've submitted a fix. I think we're good now.Jim 22:36, 20 October 2020 (EDT)

Classic Science Fiction Anthology, #1

A few small changes to this one - missing number of the issue and a small capitalization change (see here). One question -- are Andre Alice North (Andre Norton) and François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire) credited exactly like that at the title pages of their stories? Annie 16:08, 21 October 2020 (EDT)

As listed in the notes ""Micromegas" credited to "François-Marie Arouet (Voltaire)" in TOC and "Voltaire" in magazine.

"Learning Theory" credited to "James McConnell" in TOC and "James V. McConnell" in magazine. "All Cats Are Gray" credited to "Andre Alice North (Andre Norton)" in TOC and "Andre Alice North" in magazine.Jim 00:44, 22 October 2020 (EDT)

Apparently I needed more coffee - read the note, forgot about it when posting here. Then these will need updates - we credit based on the title page of the story - so Voltaire, James V. McConnell and Andre Alice North if I understand you correctly. Then we can variant. Would you like to update them? Annie 00:53, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Okay. I've submitted a cover and slight correction already. When that's approved I'll go in and update again.Jim 00:58, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
Approved :) Annie 01:01, 22 October 2020 (EDT)

Zombies and Calculus

Out of curiosity, you state in the notes: Pages [226]-227 are an Index. What's on p.228 of Zombies and Calculus then? Also, please do not hesitate to primary verify books that you have. You do not have to wait for edits to be approved. For existing pub records, you can do that straigt away - this will let approving moderators know that you have the book at hand. Thanks! MagicUnk 14:04, 28 November 2020 (EST)

228 is also part of the index. I'll make the change.Jim 04:57, 29 November 2020 (EST)

Bleiler 78 Verifications

I noticed that you have Bleiler78 verifications of House of Cards and published in 1978 and 1977 respectively. Since Bleiler78 only covers publications through 1948, I suspect that you may have intended to mark OCLC/Worlcat for one or both of these. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:41, 8 December 2020 (EST)

Whoops! Both fixed.Jim 01:17, 9 December 2020 (EST)

Among the Pictures Are These:

Your verified Visions from Brichester contains "Among the Pictures Are These:" (page 69). Is the ending colon actually in the book or is that a database typo? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:02, 22 December 2020 (EST)

That's got to be a database typo. The book has been put into storage but I do not remember any title that odd while entering it.Jim 17:56, 27 December 2020 (EST)

Everything's Eventual: 14 Dark Tales

Gonna add a note about King's having a comment re each story, if you have no objection. Thanks. gzuckier 03:55, 23 December 2020 (EST)

No objections whatsoever.Jim 17:53, 27 December 2020 (EST)

How Kank Thad Returned to Blur-Esh

Would you please check your verified The House of Cthulhu and Other Tales of the Primal Land and see if the title of the story on page 23 is "...Blur-Esh" (as currently listed) or "...Bhur-Esh" (as originally published)? The two ebook versions of The House of Cthulhu use "...Bhur-Esh" per the Amazon Look Inside so this seems like a database typo vs. an alternate title. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:04, 29 December 2020 (EST)

Database typo introduced by incorrectly reading the title. It can be corrected.Jim 16:21, 8 January 2021 (EST)

The Island


I cleaned up the title in this one - Minecraft as the series is up in the series field so per current policy, we use the short name. Feel free to add a note to the notes on exact spelling/usage on the title page and let me know if you have any concerns. Annie 19:01, 22 January 2021 (EST)

I'm fine with that.Jim 11:43, 23 January 2021 (EST)

Self-published books

For Self-published books we use the name of the author as a publisher and not "self-published" :) I fixed it here. Thanks for adding the book. Annie 17:39, 23 January 2021 (EST)

Noted.Jim 18:40, 23 January 2021 (EST)

Harlan McGhan

In my experience people usually have a full name as a second name in their legal names, not just an initial. Where is the legal name here coming from? If you are trying to indicate that this is also Harlan P. McGhan (you just added a book by him, right?), it should be either a note or if you are sure connect them. Unless you have a source for this being the legal name? Thanks! Annie 19:19, 23 January 2021 (EST)

Should just be a variation of his name.Jim 21:00, 23 January 2021 (EST)
Then let's reject the change for the legal name and make the variants and pseudonym. Let me know if you want me to do it? Annie 21:01, 23 January 2021 (EST)
Go for it!Jim 21:08, 23 January 2021 (EST)
All done. Let me know if something looks askew (or just fix it) :) Annie 21:22, 23 January 2021 (EST)
Perfect!Jim 01:45, 24 January 2021 (EST)

New Trek Programme Guide

Just fished out my copy of this. My copy has "Programme" on cover, spine, back cover and title page and priced at £5.99; US$5.95; A$14.95. I'm going to amend the notes and also upload a scan from my (transient) copy. --Mavmaramis 08:54, 26 January 2021 (EST)

Bruce Boston

It's me, the guy who mentioned the Brian Lumley misspelling last month which thankfully was fixed, back with another note now that I've learned how to speak directly to people instead of going through others. The Nightmare Collector, "", says it was published by Two AM Publications, but all other works by this publisher are under 2 AM Publications on ISFDB. Does it say Two in your copy (if you have one) or should it be with all the others under 2? --Username 00:45, 27 January 2021 (EST)

I have it cataloged in my collection as "2 AM Publications" as that's what was on the book itself.Jim 23:08, 27 January 2021 (EST)

Piers Anthony's Visual Guide to Xanth

Regarding this submission: You are editing a record that states it is the third printing per number line, but you are adding a number line that indicates you have the first printing. It would seem you should be editing this record instead. Am I missing something? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:44, 1 February 2021 (EST)

I put the notes there as my copy has the same SFBC number as the one indicated as the third. The 15888 number is still an unknown quantity. I can change it to the 58881 if that's what's proper. Let me know.Jim 09:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)
You should instead edit the first printing since that is what you have. The third printing pub notes state "15888" on the back cover. Locus1 reports the SFBC number as "15881". It's unknown if that's in error or for another printing. The current information for the first printing is from Locus1. Since yours also has 15888, it is most likely that Locus made an error. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:13, 1 February 2021 (EST)
Original edited and submitted.Jim 22:47, 1 February 2021 (EST)


Cover art for this is of course Bob Layzell. See here. --Mavmaramis 07:07, 6 February 2021 (EST)

Thanks!Jim 12:24, 6 February 2021 (EST)

Metcalf's The Index of Science Fiction Magazines

I was wondering if you could check whether Norm Metcalf's The Index of Science Fiction Magazines: 1951-1965 has 9 Roman numbered pages at the start of the book. Nearly all of the Worldcat records have ix+249 and I suppose they could all refer to the hardcover edition that we have with that page count. I'm actually not certain whether there was a hardcover edition published by Stark, though SFE3 notes one. In any case, thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:07, 8 February 2021 (EST)

I have removed my verification of this as I seem to have hit the wrong title. The one I have is "The MIT Science Fiction Society's Index to the S-F Magazines, 1951-1965" by Erwin S. Strauss.Jim 01:27, 11 February 2021 (EST)

Cover artist on I Am Radar: Will Stahle or Staehle?

Hi, you're a PV on this pub, which has cover credited to "Will Stahle", one of two credits that author/artist has.

However, that cover is listed on the portfolio site of Will Staehle (with an extra e in the surname). Any thoughts on whether the "Stahle" is a transcription typo, or maybe a difference in ASCIIfying ä-with-an-umlaut, or if the "wrong" artist should be marked as a variant of the "correct" one?

(The other cover attributed to this artist does have a PV, but they haven't been active for a couple of years.)

Thanks! ErsatzCulture 16:42, 13 February 2021 (EST)

Transcription error. Correction submitted.Jim 17:18, 13 February 2021 (EST)
Thanks. I've submitted an alternate/variant name request for the "Stahle" record, as whilst I see that prior books in the series of their other recorded cover are credited to "Staehle" - making me pretty certain they are one-and-the-same - I don't know whether the other PVed work genuinely has a miscredit, or if it was another transcription typo. ErsatzCulture 14:08, 14 February 2021 (EST)
I suspect that most of them are typos.Jim 01:41, 16 February 2021 (EST)

Remembrance of the Daleks - needs title merge?

Hi, I was just looking at Ben Aaronovitch's bibliography page re. his Rivers of London series, and happened to notice a Remembrance of the Daleks novel that wasn't part of a Doctor Who series. Looking more closely, it looks like it's from an omnibus you PVed, but it's presumably the same content as the standalone pubs?

I have a very vague recollection that there might have been Dr Who TV stories that had more than one novelization - I'm pretty sure there were some that had fan novelizations that were followed much later by official ones - so I certainly wouldn't presume they are one-and-the-same, but if they are different, it might be worth explicitly flagging it up in a pub or title note?

Thanks ErsatzCulture 08:42, 19 February 2021 (EST)

They're the same. They even have the old copyright dates on the copyright page. It needs a title merge.Jim 18:52, 21 February 2021 (EST)
Novels merged. Jim, do you know if the Introduction is the same as the 2013 version? Annie 19:49, 27 February 2021 (EST)
I suspect that it is but I don't have access to the original to compare it.Jim 21:14, 27 February 2021 (EST)
Kindle Sample to the rescue - the introduction is included in full on the 2013 one. :) The one in 2013 starts with "When Doctor Who script editor" and is dated August 2012. How does yours look like? Annie 21:22, 27 February 2021 (EST)
That sounds like it's the same.Jim 00:24, 28 February 2021 (EST)

At the Mountains of Murkiness and Other Parodies

Reginald has a note for At the Mountains of Murkiness and Other Parodies that it was published anonymously. Could you check the title page of your copy and see if Locke is identified as the editor? If not, we should probably change it to "uncredited" and make it a variant under Locke's name. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:27, 23 February 2021 (EST)

He is uncredited.Jim 13:20, 27 February 2021 (EST)
Thanks for checking. I've edited the publication to reflect that it's uncredited and subsequently made it a variant back to Locke. Let me know if anything looks amiss. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:59, 27 February 2021 (EST)
I think we're good!Jim 17:56, 27 February 2021 (EST)

IV or VI?

[2]; I corrected title, moderator wouldn't accept it, I provided eBay picture of title page with VI on it and said it was novelization of the 1986 movie of the same name, she still wouldn't accept it, so can you check your copy and confirm you don't have some rare variant with IV on title page and it actually says VI so record can be fixed? --Username 01:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)

I've submitted corrections. We'll see how that goes.Jim 04:05, 14 March 2021 (EDT)

Saga of Recluse

You are a pv of several books in the series. Please look at some changes I have proposed Saga of Recluse maps consolidation

Index to Unknown

I just added Worldcat and Reginald numbers to your verified An Index to Unknown and Unknown Worlds by Author and by Title. Both those sources identify Hoffman as the author, but also note that the book was published anonymously. Could you double check whether Hoffman is actually credited in the book? If not, we should probably change the credits to "uncredited" and then variant them to Hoffman. If he is credited, then I can add a note explaining the discrepancy with the secondary sources. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:28, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

That's gone into storage since I don't use it much anymore (that info is more readily available here on ISFDB). I don't think it's in too deep, though so I'll have a look for it.Jim 18:32, 3 April 2021 (EDT)

Epoch, ed. Roger Elwood and Robert Silverberg

Hi, you were PV1 on the first edition of this 1975 original anthology. I just got a copy and found almost all of the page numbers listed didn't match my copy (only the intro & the first story were the same). The record was altered. Would you take a look at it and see what you think? Thanks. Mike 19:44, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

Here's what I had when I copied it right afterwards:
   vii • Introduction (Epoch) • essay by Roger Elwood and Robert Silverberg
   1 • ARM • [Gil Hamilton] • novella by Larry Niven
   57 • Angel of Truth • novelette by Gordon Eklund
   79 • Mazes • short story by Ursula K. Le Guin
   85 • For All Poor Folks at Picketwire • short story by R. A. Lafferty
   103 • Growing Up in Edge City • short story by Frederik Pohl
   115 • Durance • short story by Ward Moore
   129 • The Ghost of a Model T • novelette by Clifford D. Simak
   143 • Planet Story • short story by Kate Wilhelm
   157 • Graduation Day • short story by W. Macfarlane
   171 • Timetipping • short story by Jack Dann
   183 • Encounter with a Carnivore • short story by Joseph Green
   199 • Lady Sunshine and the Magoon of Beatus • novella by Alexei Panshin and Cory Panshin
   245 • "... For a Single Yesterday" • novelette by George R. R. Martin
   269 • Bloodstream • short story by Lou Fisher
   283 • Existence • short story by Joanna Russ
   293 • Interface • novella by A. A. Attanasio
   341 • Blooded on Arachne • [Glaktik Komm] • novelette by Michael Bishop
   365 • Leviticus: In the Ark • short story by Barry N. Malzberg
   379 • Cambridge, 1:58 A.M. • short story by Gregory Benford
   405 • Run from the Fire • novelette by Harry Harrison
   437 • Waiting for the Universe to Begin • [The Aperture Moment • 1] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss
   447 • But Without Orifices • [The Aperture Moment • 2] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss
   455 • Aimez-Vous Holman Hunt? • [The Aperture Moment • 3] • short story by Brian W. Aldiss
   463 • Nightbeat • short story by Neal Barrett, Jr.
   469 • Uneasy Chrysalids, Our Memories • short story by John Shirley
   489 • The Dogtown Tourist Agency • [Miro Hetzel • 1] • novella by Jack Vance

Does this match yours?Jim 20:39, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

No, your pages do not match mine. I have reverified all info from my copy, which appears to be a first edition, although it is not stated on the copyright page. This is what the copyright page does state: Copyright 1975 by Robert Silverberg and Roger Elwood. / All rights reserved. This book, or parts thereof, may not be reproduced in any form without permission in writing from the publisher. Published simultaneously in Canada by Longman Canada Limited, Toronto. / SBN 399-11460-2 / Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 75-29511 / Printed in the United States of America (caps & lines not reproduced exactly here). The front flap has the first edition's price ($10.95) & month of publication (7511). This is not a book club edition, but a publisher's edition. Unless it was altered between printings without being noted, I am not sure why there is a discrepancy between the page numbers of your copy & mine. Mike 07:54, 28 May 2021 (EDT)
I checked the scan of the copyright page & table of contents you referred me to online & it appears to me to be the SFBC edition. The pages you listed correspond to the SFBC edition that appears here on ISFDB. The scan of the copyright page removes some data I noted on the copyright page of my edition, consistent with what the Doubleday book clubs removed from their editions in that period (e.g., no SBN, no LCCN number). If you have the dust cover of the your copy, does it list the price as $10.95 & publication date of 7511? SFBC would have removed that. Mike 08:09, 28 May 2021 (EDT)

Series and chapbooks

When a story belongs to a series, you need to add the story to the series, not the chapbook (this is why it is greyed out in the chapbooks) :) Annie 05:39, 5 April 2021 (EDT)

Yeah, I knew that. I was just braindead yesterday (it was the weekend). ;) 14:46, 5 April 2021 (EDT)

Magi'i of Cyador and Scion of Cyador

Would you mind checking Magi'i of Cyador and Scion of Cyador and let me know if they are first printings? If they are, I would like to add a couple notes. If they are a later printing, I will add a pub record for the first printing. Thanks for your help, John Scifibones 07:23, 5 April 2021 (EDT)

Yes, they are first printings. I'm much more detailed and explicit in my notes nowadays but these were early on.Jim 14:47, 5 April 2021 (EDT)
Jim, I rearranged some of the notes along with a few additions and one correction. If you are not happy with anything, let me know and we can change it. John Scifibones 19:12, 5 April 2021 (EDT)
I don't see any problems.Jim 01:34, 7 April 2021 (EDT)

Child of Time

Just added one note and BL to Child of Time Scifibones 10:02, 13 April 2021 (EDT)

Thanks.Jim 21:53, 13 April 2021 (EDT)

Goblins of Labyrinth

I rejected your rename because as it turns out only the Holt Hardcover does not have "The" (see this for the paperback) - so it is not US vs British thing. Now - one wonders if the HC really missed the "The" or if this is an early cover (and the title page maybe had it?). In anyway - as it is one without and 3 with The, the one without should be split and varianted instead of the whole work losing the "The". When there are PVs on some versions, please talk to them in such cases - even if it appears to be an obvious US vs UK thing, sometimes things are weird and not that clear cut. Thanks! Annie 12:36, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Okay. Was working from covers. Glad that it's cleared up now.Jim 01:30, 16 April 2021 (EDT)
Covers are a good way to work but keep in mind two things:
  • Cover reusing like here (two editions with the same link)
  • Amazon covers from the /P/ subspace - these are based on ISBN so they change. :) Annie 11:23, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

Furious Gulf

Very minor edit to Furious Gulf, just added a note that there is a two page Afterword. Hope you're okay with that. John Scifibones 13:41, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

If it makes it better/more complete then it's great.Jim 16:39, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

Sailing Bright Eternity

Just added a design credit to Sailing Bright Eternity. Scifibones 14:06, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

Thank you!Jim 16:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

Foundation's Fear

just adding jacket design credit and LCCN to Foundation's Fear John Scifibones 15:32, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

Also merged in the Afterword
Thank you!Jim 16:40, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

What do you prefer?

Jim, Couple of quick questions.

  1. In light of the discussion on the rules and standards board regarding cover designers, it is triggering minors edits on most of the books I am verifying. What do you prefer?
    • One post and I will keep adding links to that post?
    • I only notify you if something more substantial is being changed? Adding a title, changing something other than the notes, etc.?
    • Keep doing what I am doing?
  2. Thank you for indirectly pointing me to a valuable resource. I never considered using US copyright documents for dating and attribution. I saw one of your edits, was intrigued, now I use it myself. Have you found a similar method to access UK copyright? I have not.

Hit me up anytime, John aka Scifibones 09:09, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

John, 1 post and add is fine. I like to know what I missed so that I can add it to my personal collection database.
In my current edits I'm trying to add in the editor, book designer and cover designer as well as the cover artist and any internal art credit.
As for the UK copyrights...according to "There isn’t a register of copyright works in the UK." There is a private service that you can pay to register works for a limited time ( but this is between the fee-paying client and the service and appears to be mainly for possible litigation purposes. It is not searchable that I can see. I've pretty much had to settle on Amazon UK for publication dates but they're a bit sketchy if you go back beyond about 2010.
I'm trying to find something similar for Canada, Australia & other English-speaking countries.
For the US, I use this page:
For copyrights before 1978 I use this page and search individual years:
Thanks for the updates and I hope some of this helps. I'm always open for new resources to check if you find any.Jim 10:47, 18 April 2021 (EDT)
I have been using the same website for post 1977, good tip on google. Apparently, all UK materials are automatically granted intellectual property protection by their very creation. That must be why they don't have a specific document we can search. John 12:36, 18 April 2021 (EDT)
That's true in most countries. You do not have to register a copyright. It's yours as soon as you create the work. Where registering comes in is when there's a dispute. If you've registered the copyright you have proof of the date from a third party. I think that swings more weight in a court case. For our purposes it's great since we have the date directly from the publisher. But if you've spent any time wandering around you'll see there are some publishers that are very lax registering. Tor comes to mind as they seem to drop the ball for a year or so and then remember to start up again. Rinse, repeat...
On the pre-1978 listings you have to remember to pad out the "A" numbers to 11 digits to make it consistent with the post-1977 numbers (if you look at the renewals you'll see that they list the old numbers padded out).Jim 16:57, 18 April 2021 (EDT)


Seems like we may have two different editions here - as the two PVs seem to have very different page numbers. I will point the other PV here so you two can figure out who has what... Thanks! Annie 14:47, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

See message about 8 above this one.Jim 16:25, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
This one. Apparently Mike did not see your note and this never got solved because I have somewhat of a contradicting set updates (one approved a few days ago, you restoring back). So let's figure this one out. :) Annie 16:45, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
I will defer to whoever can pull an actual copy first. Mine is in storage right now. The listing in the message above is what was in the database when I PVd it. I haven't got a clue where the other page numbers come from. :)Jim 19:12, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
Apparently from Mike's copy - he changed them on 2021-03-31. Which tells me that we have two different books here or one of you got weird numbers somehow... Let's wait for him to come over so we all can get to the bottom of it. That cover looks very familiar - I may even have a copy somewhere as well. :) Annie 19:27, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
I'll wait. The copy I got was from a J.K. Gill store in the late '70s. Definitely NOT a book club edition.Jim 01:20, 20 April 2021 (EDT)

The Hunger

Why does this,, give Robert as an alternate name? Fantlab's copy of The Hunger,, clearly shows it as Ronald, and this copy of the Intruder,, does too. Also, there's much discussion in the note for The Hunger about how the date was verified as 1958-04-23, but date at top still says 1957. I may be wrong but I think someone erred. As you PV'd The Hunger I'll ask you, but moderator "Kolchak" who PV'd The Intruder hasn't been around since 2014. --Username 08:39, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

Robert? I don't know how that got there. I have Ronald in my personal database and that's the only one I know. As for the publication date...that's the date that the publisher declared as the date of publication when they registered the copyright with the US Copyright Office. It still says 1957 at the top because no one has changed it since the original unverified entry was made. I'll submit a correction when I get home...for the "Robert" also. Hope this answers your questions.Jim 19:20, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

It does, cheers, mate; this issue is now dead, Jim. --Username 01:40, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

Cool. The fixes are submitted but haven't been approved yet.Jim 09:55, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

Minor edits to verified publications

Added jacket design credit, fixed a minor HTML typo Orion and the Conqueror John, Scifibones 14:44, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

Added jacket design credit to Orion Among the Stars John, Scifibones 14:53, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

Thanks!Jim 18:42, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

Made some changes to the notes for Origin. The changes have to do with Cover Art credit. I am submitting an edit to remove the present Cover Art credit based on the new notes. I hope you will agree with my changes. John Scifibones 10:47, 30 April 2021 (EDT)

Can't see what the changes are but I'll take a look when they're implemented.Jim 17:00, 1 May 2021 (EDT)
Saw the changes. Notes are good but just curious...why remove them from the cover artist field? Rosmi Duaso and Birute Vijeikiene are both legitimate, working photographers and so I would think they qualify for inclusion (but I've missed some of the finer points of include/not included before).Jim 17:39, 9 May 2021 (EDT)
There is an extensive discussion of this very point Here. If you disagree with my position, you can submit an edit to restore it. This discussion is why one of the moderators asked me to include jacket design credit in all the pubs I verify.John Scifibones11:49, 10 May 2021 (EDT)

Added jacket design credit to Gatefather John Scifibones 15:42, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

Thanks.Jim 17:39, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

Jim, While verifying Chanur's Venture I noticed you credited the map as "Chanur's Venture" interior artwork David Cherry (as variant to his full name David A Cherry). Question, should we rename this "Map of Compact Space" and variant it to Map of Compact Space? I know this is picky, but, your edits are so good you only leave me these minor items to leave my fingerprints on. I also added -- signed "Victoria ©84" on back -- to your cover art credit. Thoughts? John Scifibones 09:16, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

I went ahead and submitted this merge and edit. John Scifibones 10:53, 17 May 2021 (EDT)

I added several notes for Inheritor. I am also proposing to merge the map. Please take a look and leave your comments. Foreigner Map Consolidation. John Scifibones15:58, 13 May 2021 (EDT)

I added a number of notes and ext ID's to one of your early edits, also changed to HTML The Experiment. Couldn't decide if we should add a cover credit. I was thinking it should be Brett Simms, what do you think? John Scifibones 13:20, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

Looks good.Jim 14:34, 26 June 2021 (EDT)

Changed this title from 'Down With Virtue!' to 'Down with Virtue!' contained in your verified pub Still More Lecherous Limericks John Scifibones 15:45, 11 December 2021 (EST)

Terminator 2

I changed title to Judgment Day in this after seeing the copy,; my edit's on hold while I check with you to make sure it's spelled without the extra "e" in your copy, too. --Username 16:35, 26 April 2021 (EDT)

Just a typo on my part. You're correct.Jim 17:25, 26 April 2021 (EDT)


What is in the ToC really doesn't matter. What you should do is say something in the notes to the effect that the principle author added short pieces between the stories written by others to connect these separate stories into a single narrative. All those little pieces really don't merit being listed in the contents. The author may want to emphasize them to boost her own ego, but they really mask the character of the pub, which is a series of related shortfiction by a number of different authors. Bob 17:15, 28 April 2021 (EDT)

I'll re-key a "toned-down" version of the entry this weekend.Jim 09:55, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

Ballard's Love & Napalm

When you have a chance could you check the title page of J. G. Ballard's Love & Napalm: Export U.S.A.? I see that our title matches the cover title, and agrees with Contento1. However, all of the other secondary sources have the title as "Love and Napalm: Export U.S.A." so I'm suspicious that we don't the correct title. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:35, 12 August 2021 (EDT)

I'll check it when I can find it. It's in storage at the moment.21:34, 22 August 2021 (EDT)

The Psychology of Time Travel

You verified a copy of The Psychology of Time Travel, 1st US edition P697547. Concerning item 9, "Copyright page lists the cover designer as still to come." On that page I see "Cover design by TK", which I suppose to be someone's initials. Is that an abbreviation?

I submit change of item 10 wording and new, penultimate item 11 that covers the two-page gap 337-38. --Pwendt|talk 13:01, 20 August 2021 (EDT)

It probably IS someone's initials. I'm so used to see TK used in proofs and other stuff that I blindly read what I expected to be there. Good catch.21:36, 22 August 2021 (EDT)

Ron ?; I think it's Ron HAYDOCK. --Username 01:18, 10 September 2021 (EDT)

Yep. Typo. Thanks for the catch. I'll submit a fix.Jim 13:07, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

Hallucination Orbit

In your PV'd Hallucination Orbit, the introduction is qualified by the title, but the Notes are not. They are qualified in the translation, so I was wondering if there any particular reason? (I'm cleaning up Asimov's non-fiction and ran across this oddity) ../Doug H 08:18, 4 October 2021 (EDT)

No known reason. Go ahead and clean it up. Thanks.Jim 13:11, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

Feghoot LXIX

Hi SFJuggler

While importing Feghoots from your copy of The Compleat Feghoot, I noticed that Feghoot LXIX appears to be a limerick and I think we should probably change it from a story to a poem. I'm going to check with other active verifier. I see you haven't checked in for about a month, so I'll probably go ahead and change this if the other verifier agrees. If you see this later, and disagree, we can revisit the question. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:56, 7 October 2021 (EDT)

Go ahead and fix it. I haven't checked in due to a dead computer and a series of bad replacement parts. I'm back now. No complaints about changing it. Thanks.Jim 13:12, 16 October 2021 (EDT)

Cover Art by uncredited

Just a reminder that when the cover art cannot be assigned to an artist, we leave the field empty and do not use uncredited as with all other types. I pulled it out from here. I also fixed the title record - you added the author to the publication but not to the title record - once created they both need to be updated :) Thanks! Annie 03:20, 1 November 2021 (EDT)

Thanks. Hangover from my own personal database where there is "uncredited" in the field.Jim 19:48, 11 December 2021 (EST)

Ready Player One

Fixed the date for the Locus issue in your notes here. The September 2012 statement in the existing note was for when our record was added (dating the time we pulled information from Amazon basically), not when the Locus issue was from. Annie 03:56, 1 November 2021 (EDT)

Thank you!Jim 21:50, 1 November 2021 (EDT)

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019


For F&SF September/October 2019, you are the original PV. See I see a title " Films: Love Death + Some Regression", an essay noted as by "Karen Lowachee". I deeply suspect the author name is a typo, and the author should be "Karin Lowachee". The Amazon kindle preview notes "Karin Lowachee". "Karen Lowachee" has no other titles in ISFDB, but "Karin Lowachee" does, and they appear in F&SF also, of a similar type. If this is OK with you, I'm going to submit a correction here. I'll review my notes, but I think this kind of correction where there is really one author and not two requires the use of MakeVariant. Thanks for entering this into the DB. Dave888 19:19, 19 November 2021 (EST)

You're correct. Muscle memory during typing, maybe? Thanks for the correction.Jim 15:07, 21 November 2021 (EST)

Neither Man Nor Dog; Entered remaining #'s using search on Google Books; curious where you entered your partial #'s from. Was it an actual copy? I only found 1 copy on eBay, and the seller photographed the contents page badly. --Username 09:35, 14 December 2021 (EST)

I have an actual copy. Not in great shape but the only one I could find. Not sure why I only entered partial.Jim 20:43, 19 February 2022 (EST)

Kersh's Neither Man Nor Dog

Could you drop by here and maybe help out with some page numbering of this verified pub? Thanks. PeteYoung 09:54, 14 December 2021 (EST)

Edit's been approved; I think I got all numbers in order correctly, but of course you can never be 100% sure if stories actually start on the same page as listed on contents page, so if you or anyone reading this can locate an actual print copy that issue can be addressed. --Username 12:12, 14 December 2021 (EST)

Magazine ASIN

I added the amazon ASIN to The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction Susan O'Fearna 17:22, 15 December 2021 (EST)

Thanks.Jim 15:39, 22 December 2021 (EST)

Expanded Universe

Would you mind looking at your copy of Expanded Universe and double check the title page? Based on this Heinlein archives article I suspect it actually has "Expanded Universe: The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein" on it just like the trade paperback edition here I just corrected. I have unmerged the tp edition and am getting ready to variant it but before I do, I would like to know about your hardcover edition title since it makes a difference on which name is the variant. Thanks! Phil 07:03, 28 December 2021 (EST)

You are correct. Subtitle on the hardcover is "The New Worlds of Robert A. Heinlein".Jim 10:35, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Thanks! Do you want to change it or shall I? Are you comfortable doing the necessary unmerge from title, title merge (of the replacement title), and variant steps or would you like me to handle them? Phil 10:54, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Go ahead.Jim 11:51, 31 December 2021 (EST)

Spelling check: The Viscious World of Birds

Can you check the spelling here. Both the author site and SF site have it as Vicious. Is it really Viscious in the magazine? Thanks! Annie 16:18, 6 February 2022 (EST)

Typo. It's "Vicious".Jim 14:02, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

Gahan Wilson Cards; I added interior art by Gahan Wilson since the cards' covers are by him. --Username 07:50, 8 February 2022 (EST)

Makes total sense. ;) Jim 20:44, 19 February 2022 (EST)

Out There; You were the last editor to work on this and left a note to mod saying "more later". That was in 2019; there's a note in the record itself saying contents incomplete and another saying to remove that when they are complete. So are they complete or did you really have more to add? --Username 08:13, 8 February 2022 (EST)

There is more to add but circumstances prevented me from getting back to it in a timely manner. As soon as I can re-locate the book I will complete it. The entries remaining to be entered are illustrations, the stories are complete.Jim 13:36, 13 February 2022 (EST)

Raiders Date; Is the date supposed to be 1981, not 1982? --Username 12:31, 19 February 2022 (EST)

Yep, you're right. Fix submitted. Good catch.Jim 17:00, 19 February 2022 (EST)
The dates for cover and interior art, and the regular title for the book, still say 1982. --Username 22:31, 19 February 2022 (EST)

Jim Butcher / Proven Guilty

I am PVing Proven Guilty. I will add Canadian price, some notes and the Author's Note to the Contents. No changes to the existing information. Teallach 07:24, 22 February 2022 (EST)

The A-Z Guide to Babylon 5

Would you mind checking your copy of The A-Z Guide to Babylon 5 and see if the last printed page number is 309 with the single following unnumbered page being Appendix VI? That would make the page count 310, not 320+[8]. I don't think the unnumbered photo pages should be in the count either. Thanks! Phil 08:28, 22 February 2022 (EST)

The 320 is a typo on my part. It should be 310.Jim 22:30, 26 February 2022 (EST)

Jim Butcher / White Night

I am PVing White Night. I will add the Author's Note to the Contents and an explanatory pub note. No changes to the existing information. I'm spotting a trend here (see my note re Proven Guitly above). I will add the Author's Note (where applicable) to all succeeding 1st ed hc's of the Dresden Files series. Teallach 11:15, 23 February 2022 (EST)

Works for me.Jim 22:30, 26 February 2022 (EST)

Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction

As you have PVd a Jim Butcher Dresden Files collection, you might be interested in this topic: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction. If you have any comments, suggestions or objections then please post them to this topic on the Community Portal so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thank you. Teallach 09:47, 4 March 2022 (EST)

Thank you. Will keep it in mind on any future edits.Jim 13:54, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019

I changed the title 'Haldstead IV' to Halstead IV in your verified pub The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, September/October 2019 while entering the 2020 Rhysling Anthology. The anthology Acknowledgments, SFPA website, and FictionMags Index all show 'Halstead IV'. Does this agree with your copy? If not, I'll change it back and variant the title. Thanks, John Scifibones 22:19, 5 March 2022 (EST)

"Haldstead" was typo. It should be "Halstead".Jim 13:59, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

The Night People; it's Mary Anne Shea on back flap of Book Club Edition on; can you check to see if yours really says Ann, and fix if not? --Username 15:34, 23 March 2022 (EDT)

Not able to access this book right now (deep storage). I would go with the book club edition as they don't typically re-typeset these.Jim 14
10, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

Preface for Fantastic Voyage

Hi! I just wonder if Klement's preface was already part of your verified? Do you mind looking it up? Christian Stonecreek 11:47, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

Book is in deep storage so I can't access it right now. I don't recall seeing any preface in it when I read it but that was quite a while ago and the preface is very short so don't trust my memory.Jim 14:15, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

In the Grip of Terror; changed intro from xi to ix based on Archive copy. --Username 20:12, 27 March 2022 (EDT)

Not sure what copy you're looking at. This copy has xii for the intro which is what's in the record.Jim 14:07, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
Same copy, and it says ix on contents page and does start on ix, as can be seen since this is a fully readable copy. --Username 14:31, 3 April 2022 (EDT)
Sorry, we're talking about two different things. You're right, it does start on page ix. I was thinking page count of Roman numeral pages. I'm fuzzy this morning but now we're on the same page (pun intended).Jim 14:37, 3 April 2022 (EDT)

Richard Larson's Datafall

Hi Jim -

Could I get you to verify whether the title Datafall on page 230 in Richard Larson's Tomorrow Factory is in fact a poem. There's a note on the title record which states "Also published in poem form in Strange Horizons, November 2013". I wouldn't question it, but the use of the word "also" makes it sound like there is a prose version as well as a poem. I'm asking because I'm adding the French translation and my secondary sources list it as prose. If there are actually two different forms of this title, I think we should probably split them as two title records. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:48, 2 May 2022 (EDT)

Apologies for intruding, but I have the ebook of Tomorrow Factory that I've been too lazy to PV. I have just pulled it up on my Kindle though, and I can confirm that it's prose, and (for the first few lines at least) covers similar conceptual material to the poem at Strange Horizons, but is not the same text. As such, I'd agree with splitting them. ErsatzCulture 19:32, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
EDIT: Here's a Google Books extract of the end of the prose version, for reference. ErsatzCulture 19:36, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
EDIT#2: The publication credits section at the end of Tomorrow Factory states: '"Datafall," original published in poem form in Strange Horizons, November 2013. Revised and published in its current form in Datafall: Collected Speculative Fiction (2012, self-published).' ErsatzCulture 19:46, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
I've gone ahead and split the titles with cross references to each other in the notes. Please let me know if this looks OK. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:54, 5 May 2022 (EDT)
Looks good to me. ErsatzCulture 16:35, 5 May 2022 (EDT)

The Best of Frank Herbert

For your information: The ISBN for this has been printed on the copyright page of The Best of Clifford D. Simak --Mavmaramis 10:39, 5 May 2022 (EDT)

Indy Artist; Struzan to Struzman per Archive copy. --Username 23:54, 6 May 2022 (EDT)

Yep. Typo. Thanks.Jim 01:04, 7 May 2022 (EDT)


Regarding this submission: Please discuss changes with User:Mavmaramis. Despite the user's banner on their talk page, they have been active lately. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:38, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

Okay. Note made on their page.Jim 12:52, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

Dreaming Jewels; FantLab ID and pub. series (Corwin) added. --Username 13:18, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

FYI, my copy has different metallic colors on cover, so submitted an edit to note the variant. Markwood (talk) 13:01, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

Psycho II; About your PV of the Warner edition; the later 1982 edition is on and says Franco Accanero on copyright page, which is only on ISFDB for the 1984 Finnish edition. So if yours says differently some fixing might be necessary, merging, variants, etc. --Username 13:45, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

My copy is in deep storage but I'll bet it says "Franco Accanero" just like the released copy you referenced. They would not have gone back to press just to fix a typo like that.Jim 22:45, 11 June 2022 (EDT)

Larry Niven / Niven's Laws

I am PVing and editing Niven's Laws. I have come across some issues with the Contents.
For several of the entries, the titles in the book's TOC on page vii differ from their titles at the start of the entry. The ISFDb records them correctly in the Contents but I will add a pub note about the following TOC discrepancies:
1 Introduction (omits ": Larry Niven by Jerry Pournelle")
9 Assimilating Our Culture, That's What They're Doing (omits exclamation mark)
24 Green Marauder (omits "The")
81 If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb (omits ellipsis & see point B) below)
84 The Roentgen Standard (omits "Yet Another Modest Proposal:")
89 Why Men Fight Wars and What You Can Do About It (omits comma and exclamation mark)
The entry on p81 is:
If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb ... (on its title page)
If Idi Amin Had the Bomb ... (in ISFDb)
If Idi Amin Had Had the Bomb (in TOC - omits ellipsis)
I will change the title in ISFDb, add pub note, sort this out.
The entry on p87 is a bit trickier. It's not really an essay titled "In Memoriam ...", it's a poem titled "In Memoriam: Howard Grote Littlemead" with an introduction titled "In Memoriam ..." I'm not entirely sure how to resolve this. I don't think the introduction merits a separate Contents entry so I'd prefer to change the title to "In Memoriam: Howard Grote Littlemead" (which is also how it appears in the TOC), change the Type to Poem and add a pub note about the Introduction. What do you suggest?
Teallach 12:33, 27 June 2022 (EDT)

I'm inclined to go with that and just make an indication in the general notes that there is an introduction since the poem is the real content here.Jim 12:48, 3 July 2022 (EDT)

Batteries Not Included

Hi SFJuggler

I've just added some secondary verifications to your verified Batteries Not Included. I see that Worldcat, The Library of Congress and Goodreads have the title as we do. However, Clute/Nicholls, Reginald and Locus1 all have the title as *Batteries Not Included. The asterisk is definitely on the cover. Could you check the title page and see if we should adjust the title to include the asterisk? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:41, 6 July 2022 (EDT)

Adventures in the Space Trade

I've just done some secondary verifications on this publication. It occurs to me that perhaps we should title this as we do for Ace Doubles, i.e. "Adventures in the Space Trade / A Richard Wilson Checklist". Do you have thoughts on whether we should make such a change? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:43, 7 July 2022 (EDT)

Works for me.Jim 12:23, 9 July 2022 (EDT)

Jurassic Park: The Gift Edition; I added the day (24) to the date based on OL and added a link to a newspaper article from that date which has a blurb about the book. --Username 20:01, 7 July 2022 (EDT)

Thanks. Heading over to read the article now.Jim 12:25, 9 July 2022 (EDT)

Songs of the Etonic

I added the content title and set the juvenile flags for your verified publication Songs of the Etonic. Remember, the CHAPBOOK is merely a container! Please set the length here. Thanks, John Scifibones 09:49, 11 July 2022 (EDT)

Thanks.Jim 10:08, 11 July 2022 (EDT)

Robert L. Forward / Timemaster

I am editing and PVing Timemaster and have corrected the numberline from 10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 to 0 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1. Teallach 17:40, 22 July 2022 (EDT)

Limericks; I added OL ID link to the copy on and added the few page #'s needed, but why are the contents called poems? Aren't they many poems by both authors, not single ones? --Username 10:59, 23 July 2022 (EDT)

Yes, it's a collection of 144 poems by each of them but they are not listed separately so ISFDB lists it as "poem" singular. That's just the way it is. There's no provision anywhere to designate a plural.Jim 00:44, 30 July 2022 (EDT)

Dead Roses For A Blue Lady; A few tweaks. The interior art has 2002-10-00 date instead of 2003-10-00, the catalog ID should have a space between letters and numbers like other White Wolf ID on ISFDB, and the publisher is an imprint of White Wolf Publishing, so it should be Two Wolf Press / White Wolf Publishing so that it will be the same as the other 4 books on ISFDB by that publisher. --Username 22:57, 6 August 2022 (EDT)

Master Storyteller; I fixed the page count, making it the same as in WorldCat, and added the preface by Freas and OL ID link to the copy. --Username 12:17, 10 August 2022 (EDT)

Claremont Tales; I added Luminist PDF to the first volume, but interior art has no date and number of copies mentioned at back of book wasn't entered, as PV usually do when that info is available. Also, shouldn't interior art be in the other edition, too? --Username 21:48, 11 August 2022 (EDT)

This was a very early PV of mine before I got much more detailed (as I am now). Go ahead and enter what information you want. My copy is in deep storage at the moment.18:25, 13 August 2022 (EDT)

Spook page count

Hello, Jim. If possible, would you check your copy of this book and confirm it has 234 pages, not 197? --Rosab618 01:58, 17 August 2022 (EDT)

Not sure where 197 comes from. I have 234 in my records as does Open Library and the Library of Congress. I'll submit a fix.Jim 01:55, 19 August 2022 (EDT)
I think it comes from Locus1. Thanks for your help! Rosab618 03:20, 19 August 2022 (EDT)
No problem.Jim 00:52, 20 August 2022 (EDT)

Waterworld; I added to your 2014 PV the OL ID link to the Archive copy, which was uploaded in 2010, and changed the page count to 324. --Username 22:02, 21 August 2022 (EDT)

Thanks. The 321 had to be a typo. 324 is what I have in my records.Jim 22:06, 21 August 2022 (EDT)

Marblehead; I added OL ID link to copy, but the Tucker essay in a later edition originated here in the edition you PV. --Username 09:49, 27 August 2022 (EDT)

Thank you.17:01, 27 August 2022 (EDT)

Steel; I added an link to your PV, but the LCCN is actually for the other edition, which I just did an edit for (fixing the title, adding the real cover, which is the same as the PB (one there now had placeholder art, as mentioned on the cover), adding TP as format, and adding LCCN & WorldCat ID); the PB has no LCCN record but it does have a WorldCat,, in case you want to fix that. --Username (talk) 11:42, 8 November 2022 (EST)

Thank you. I'll submit it when I get a chance.Jim (talk) 01:52, 9 November 2022 (EST)
I see your edit was just approved. You may want to remove your note about LCCN since that ID isn't there anymore. --Username (talk) 18:35, 9 November 2022 (EST)
Done.Jim (talk) 22:08, 9 November 2022 (EST)

Synopsis sources

When copying the synopsis from somewhere (publisher, the book itself, a review, Amazon and so on), the source needs to be mentioned in the field. See how I did it here. Thanks! Annie (talk) 17:40, 10 November 2022 (EST)

Okay.01:19, 11 November 2022 (EST)

Philip K. Dick / Beyond Lies the Wub

The pub record for Beyond Lies the Wub has ISBN 0-88733-052-5 which is for the limited edition set. It should have the trade edition ISBN: 0-88733-053-3. Do you agree? If so, I'm quite happy to submit the correction. Let me know if you would like me to or whether you'd rather submit it yourself. NB: the records for volumes 2-5 have the correct trade edition ISBN. Thanks. Teallach (talk) 18:48, 16 November 2022 (EST)

Good catch. Go ahead and submit away!Jim (talk) 01:51, 17 November 2022 (EST)

Time Machines

Can you double check the notes for Time Machines? I assume "Cover art not and there is no visible signature" is missing "credited" after the "not". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:58, 24 November 2022 (EST)

You're right. Fix submitted along with the cover scan.Jim (talk) 12:05, 24 November 2022 (EST)

Distress Call; I've got a pending edit which adds an exclamation point to the title, adds interior artist John Speirs, and adds link to copy from November 2010. All good? EDIT: Also,, which you also PV but no page numbers were entered; they're in this copy in case you want to enter them. --Username (talk) 11:04, 6 December 2022 (EST)

I'm good with the additions.Jim (talk) 01:47, 8 December 2022 (EST)

I, JFK; copy uploaded in 2011, before your 2012 PV, I added a link and LCCN ID, also added afterword on p. 262, copy is missing title page, just checking that yours has one and says E.P. Dutton because when you search for "Dutton" in the copy it gets nothing but searching for E.P. finds "E.P. Button" on the copyright page even though it clearly says Dutton; E.P. Dutton is also on back flap but it doesn't find that because it's faded and can't be seen by the search engine, I guess. --Username (talk) 09:50, 22 December 2022 (EST)

British library external ID

When adding a BL number, you need to drop BLL01 from the start if you have the number starting with it. More details here. I fixed it here. :) Annie (talk) 17:03, 22 December 2022 (EST)

Noted.Jim (talk) 20:02, 22 December 2022 (EST)

Cellars; Neil Slovin is credited in R. Laymon's The Cellar; you or someone else wrote a note about this book's cover artist coming from Paperbacks from Hell but like a lot of other stuff in that book it's wrong. Slovin had nothing to do with this book; title is just similar which probably led to the error. --Username (talk) 15:30, 25 December 2022 (EST)

I'll assume that you're correct since I don't have a copy of "Paperback from Hell" and did not do the cover credit. Go ahead and remove the credit.Jim (talk) 02:32, 26 December 2022 (EST)

Author Birthplace

When adding an author's birthplace, please remember our guidelines. I added 'USA' here and changed 'United Kingdom' to 'UK' here. Thanks, John Scifibones 10:15, 28 December 2022 (EST)

I'll try to remember that. I think this is the first one I've done.01:14, 30 December 2022 (EST)

Deathport; Someone just uploaded this hard-to-find-these-days anthology; I had a feeling the ix was wrong because intro starts on xi, and so it was. I assume yours is the same and it was just a mistake; if not, let me know since it'll probably be a while before my edit is approved. Also, would you object to me uploading Archive cover? It's perfectly bright and clean, with sharper color than the one here now; looks like it just came off the presses, which is unlikely since I don't think this book was ever reprinted. --Username (talk) 14:50, 24 January 2023 (EST)

Typo. Go ahead and fix it (I'll make the change in my records here at home). If you have a better cover then by all means put it up!Jim (talk) 16:50, 4 February 2023 (EST)

Quichotte; I have a pending edit which adds link, changes OL ID because the one there now is for another edition, and fixes a misspelled word in the notes. However, I didn't change "pronounciation" to "pronunciation" in the essay, and the notes which say cover artist is on back flap is wrong, cover designer is (that's also mentioned in the notes), but the name is wrong (both in the cover artist field and in the notes), it's really this,, so should be fixed although really it should only be in the notes because they were the designer, not the artist (unless there's somewhere online that says they did the art, too). --Username (talk) 20:14, 24 January 2023 (EST)

Go ahead and correct whatever inaccuracies that you find. That's the name of the game. The misspellings are typos. Thanks.Jim (talk) 16:58, 4 February 2023 (EST)

Seven Veils; I added a (pending) edit with link; cover artist is Drew Struzman on copyright page. Also, note says November 1991 but it's December on copyright page, and December was the month that was entered as the date. EDIT:; I added 4th printing from and I noticed that while date is February the note for 1st printing which you PV says January. --Username (talk) 23:17, 30 January 2023 (EST)

The dates in the notes are from the copyright notices filed with the Library of Congress and are usually filed after the book is actually published. They reflect the official publication dates according to the publisher. They sometimes differ from the dates on the copyright pages which are usually when the books are projected to get to the stores. The copyright filings are the official records and used in cases of copyright disputes, etc. and you may use them or ignore them as you see fit. I include them in all of my listings if I can find them.Jim (talk) 16:46, 4 February 2023 (EST)

Fire in the Heavens; A lot of Avalon books added recently on, I added a link (still pending) to your PV for this title, it ends on p. 223 with the word "impos-", what's on the last page? If it's not a lot, maybe you can add missing text to the notes so people reading it know how it ends. --Username (talk) 21:58, 5 February 2023 (EST)

If I can locate it I could do that. It's in deep storage at the moment.Jim (talk) 23:53, 5 February 2023 (EST)

The Big Over Easy

I made minor changes to contents of The Big Over Easy if you have no objection. Thanks.gzuckier (talk) 01:04, 10 February 2023 (EST)

Not sure what was changed but I don't see anything anyone could object to.Jim (talk) 01:15, 10 February 2023 (EST)

Benford & Greenberg / Hitler Victorious

I am editing and PVing Hitler Victorious. There is no comma in the title of the Greg Bear story. I will correct this and add pub notes about the different ways the title of the publication is stated throughout the book. Teallach (talk) 11:16, 10 February 2023 (EST)

Works for me. It's all about accuracy.Jim (talk) 21:18, 10 February 2023 (EST)

The Edge of Space; I did some stuff in my edit but cover artist says "Fref" on back flap, not "Freff", so if yours is the same it should be changed and made a variant; it will be the only one by "Fref" here although he has several other alternate names. --Username (talk) 10:59, 20 February 2023 (EST)

My copy is inaccessible at the moment so lets go with what yours says since you have it to hand. I'm sure it's a typo and they're all alike.Jim (talk) 21:34, 20 February 2023 (EST)

Expanded Universe Again; Copy uploaded a few months ago, I added link in a (pending) edit, several 1980 dates entered here, should some/all be the same month as the book's? --Username (talk) 12:16, 23 February 2023 (EST)

They would probably have to be judged individually. For instance: "How to be a Survivor" was published in Destinies in 1980-07, three months before the book was published and so would have a date prior to the book.Jim (talk) 14:57, 23 February 2023 (EST)

Zombies of Lake...; I added to your PV a link to the copy uploaded in 2019 and fixed the title (Woebegotton to Woebegotten). --Username (talk) 11:40, 27 February 2023 (EST)

Thanks!Jim (talk) 12:02, 27 February 2023 (EST)

POTA; Author's full name is on cover and title page, month is August on copyright page, both disagree with your PV. --Username (talk) 20:14, 11 March 2023 (EST)

I've submitted a change to the author name. According to the publisher the book was published on July 12 (the month before the date on the copyright page). This is pretty common. The original date on the entry was July so I left it at that. You can submit a correction if you want to.Jim (talk) 03:09, 12 March 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for fixing the name. The date issue is so common here that it would need countless thousands of fixes to the month of publication because so many editors entered months/days from Amazon (which are often wrong) or somewhere else instead of what it says in the book while countless thousands of others entered it as it says in the book. A standard rule about how to enter it should have been implemented early on but wasn't so it's just random. Some people actually said where they got the info from in the notes, others didn't, so that's random, too. As I'm sure you know often the date in the book is wrong, too; see Cemetery Dance and their history of releasing books long after they were supposed to. I doubt too many people care most about exact dates, anyway, they care about the content of the book, correct stories/titles in collections/anthologies, correct page count in case they request printing portions of a book from a library, etc. Don't get me started on how many of those things are wrong here, too. --Username (talk) 08:41, 12 March 2023 (EDT)
I give the source of the publication date in my edits. I use the Library of Congress' Catalog of Copyrights data when I can find it since this information is filed by the publishers after the date of publication and is used for copyright disputes. I figure if it's good enough for the courts it should be good enough for here. I have found some obvious errors in the catalog and there are some premature filings where there was a delay in getting the book to market after it was officially published but those are usually noted by Locus.Jim (talk) 15:31, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

Isaac Asimov Presents the Best Science Fiction Firsts

Hi. You verified the 1984-04 Beaufort Books edition P178473. You don't say whether yours is a copy of the 1st printing. The Barnes & Noble date is intended to be that of the 1st printing, I suppose.

Internet Archive holds the 1st ed., 1st printing and Open Library provides preview of that one. (Title leaf ends with "First Edition" and "10 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1".) I would like to note that. --Pwendt|talk 16:27, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

This is one of my early edits, before I was putting all of the extra info I had. Yes, mine is the first printing with the statements on the copyright page. I have submitted an update to reflect this information. Thanks for the catch.Jim (talk) 17:39, 12 March 2023 (EDT)

Reprisal; A copy of Reborn by Wilson (Dark Harvest edition) recently uploaded on, no cover on it, I added a link in a (pending) edit and FantLab ID (they show cover and front flap with price), also added FantLab ID to Reprisal, you (I assume) wrote notes and said you have the book, thought you'd like to know that Open Library has a photo of the limited edition's limitation page signed by author and artists (misattributed to the 1991 NEL edition),, in case you want to enter that edition sometime. EDIT:; I see they got that photo from Amazon. Oddly, the seller included the same limitation photo twice, while barcode on back cover has same ISBN and price as the trade edition. Dark Harvest wasn't big on differentiating their editions much, but maybe all of this will be helpful in some way if you decide to enter another edition. --Username (talk) 20:14, 15 March 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the notes. I will probably leave the entry as-is for now. Since I don't have the actual limited edition I think someone else should add the entry for it.Jim (talk) 00:27, 17 March 2023 (EDT)

SS's Amazing Stories; I checked Google Books copy and it's "Grandpa's Ghost", not "Grampa's". Does your copy say the same? Also, you may want to check the other titles just to be sure they all match the contents page, although I did a quick check and I think they do. --Username (talk) 13:51, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

Typo. Fix submitted.22:45, 7 April 2023 (EDT)

Treks Not Taken; One of these weird cases that's been happening recently where the copy has a date at the bottom of the page a few months before your PV but the note says it was "extracted" a few months after your PV; anyway, I added/fixed stuff, let me know if you disagree with anything. --Username (talk) 23:19, 11 April 2023 (EDT)

Can't see anything to object to.Jim (talk) 00:50, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

Silicon Gods; I added an link in a pending edit; I think publisher would be better as Dell/Emerald,, since that's how all other books by them are on ISFDB; it does have the slash on the cover. --Username (talk) 16:16, 15 April 2023 (EDT)

"Works for me.Jim (talk) 14:22, 16 April 2023 (EDT)

Cold Sea Rising

Hi Jim -

I added a Locus1 verification to your verified copy of Cold Sea Rising. I noticed a discrepancy between Locus and our record. Locus lists the publication month as February, 1986. Our record has it as April, with a note that the date is from a code, "486" on the dust jacket. Is is possible that your copy is a later printing? If so, I'll clone your copy and move the verifications to the new record. If not, I'm not sure which source is more authoritative. At lease we could add a note stating that Locus indicates an earlier date. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:58, 18 April 2023 (EDT)

Locus was working from an advance copy of the book (which I also have a copy of). The book was initially to ship to bookstores in January, 1986 with an on-sale date in February. The book was delayed and finally published on April 30th per the filed catalog of copyright entry.Jim (talk) 01:28, 21 April 2023 (EDT)

Asimov - Foreword: Earth is Room Enough

Hello Jim, I'm working on two series titles, Asimov's Essays: Own Work and Asimov's Essays: Other's Work. Could you decide which of the two is appropriate for the essay here, and shall I make the edit? Thanks, Kev.--BanjoKev (talk) 05:25, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

Personally, I would go with other. Go ahead and make the edit.Jim (talk) 12:19, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for looking that up. I'll make the edit. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 20:05, 7 May 2023 (EDT)
No problem.Jim (talk) 01:20, 10 May 2023 (EDT)

Fact and Fancy; Your Doubleday PV says April but there's a March 2nd printing so one of those dates is wrong. --Username (talk) 09:52, 12 May 2023 (EDT)

Never Cross A Vampire; It's Stuart M. in the original edition that you PV. --Username (talk) 14:50, 12 May 2023 (EDT)

Thank you. Muscle memory. It's "always" Stuart M. when I type his name. ;)Jim (talk) 02:54, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

Matheson Essay; I added a link from since essay comes from their April 1956 issue but it's dated here as 1984, original to the book you PV. Is there a publication date in the book? If so, date should be changed and a note added about where it originally came from. --Username (talk) 10:00, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I don't have ready access to this at the moment. I don't recall any publication or I would have put them in. I would update it to the original date you found.Jim (talk) 11:55, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

Michael Crichton's Wife; Other wife credit on ISFDB says Sherri, there's an OL-only British copy that says Sherri, does yours say Sherri? --Username (talk) 20:58, 20 May 2023 (EDT)

I don't have ready access to this at the moment. I'll keep an eye out, though.Jim (talk) 18:38, 21 May 2023 (EDT)

Sunstroke; Link and comma note. --Username (talk) 17:33, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

Got it. Thanks.Jim (talk) 13:51, 29 May 2023 (EDT)

PKD - The Father-Thing

Hello Jim, with regard to your PV, Reginald3 has the pages as xi-376 (and so does this other entry). Could you check yours? Thanks, Kev.--BanjoKev (talk) 12:06, 30 May 2023 (EDT)

You might have overlooked this? Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:29, 27 June 2023 (EDT)

Lost in a Good Book

Greetings Jim, Couple questions re: this publication.

  • Pages - I think it should be "xii+[4]+399", reflecting the 4 unnumbered pages between the Roman numerals and the text beginning on page 1. The interior art will be page number [3].
  • Change the note "Single color plate on slick paper inserted after second false title page and before page 1." to "The interior art is a single color plate on glossy paper". The position will be clear from the Pages and Page number changes in the previous point.
  • Would like to add the note "Compete LOC C-I-P data".
  • Not sure about the need for the note "No BLIC".

Point one is the important change. The others I'm open to modifications and(or) eliminations. I'll add a permanent verification after any changes are made. What do you think? John Scifibones 19:20, 2 June 2023 (EDT)

Just chiming in - the "No BLIC" for UK books (or similar ones for any national library) means that someone did look but there is no record. I like to have a date on that statement usually but if someone looks and does not find a record, it is a useful piece of information. Just my 2 cents. Annie (talk) 19:35, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
PS: Not sure why we would have it on a First American edition though. Annie (talk) 19:36, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
Annie, apparently it took you a minute to get the point of my question. John Scifibones 19:56, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
Pressed save too fast so had to come back with the rest of it. :) Annie (talk) 20:00, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
The "No BLIC" item was just a piece of information that I included in my (early) entries. Now that ISFDB tracks them as external IDs that line is no longer in my template. As for why there would be one on a US edition...well, sometimes the British Library DOES catalog a non-British book. This particular book has a Catalog of Copyright entry for the Hodder & Stoughton edition (TX0005617817) but not for the Viking edition. The Library of Congress also has a LCCN for the Hodder & Stoughton edition (2003386109) as well as one for the Viking edition (2002071304). I'll submit an edit to take out the "No BLIC" line since it's not really useful under the new schema. Hope this note helps.Jim (talk) 20:27, 3 June 2023 (EDT)
I made the changes outlined in the first two points. Thanks for you input. John Scifibones 07:32, 4 June 2023 (EDT)
Glad everything's cleared up.Jim (talk) 12:17, 4 June 2023 (EDT)

Sturgeon - Godbody

Hello Jim, I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV here. As I'm adding a lot of Reg3 ID#s, could you let me know if you still want to be notified every time I make those simple edits? Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 19:46, 6 June 2023 (EDT)

Farewell to Star Trek; I was surprised to see TV Guide as a publisher and searched for Farewell but couldn't find ISBN until I just searched for the title and found it; as you said in your note, ISBN is wrong. I trust cover looks like yours; OL cover doesn't match cover but turns out it's better, anyway. --Username (talk) 17:32, 13 June 2023 (EDT)

Yes, it's the same one. The imprint is "TV Guide" but the publisher is actually Telemedia Communications in Toronto, Ontario, Canada. The cover I submitted is a scan of my copy.Jim (talk) 11:53, 17 June 2023 (EDT)
So do you mean that you have a pending edit uploading your cover, in which case I'll cancel my edit and do another one just adding the archived link? Also, I just saw in edit history that after you had your original edit approved it was Dirk who noticed the wrong ISBN and wrote notes about it, not you, so never mind about that. --Username (talk) 12:56, 17 June 2023 (EDT)
Never minding.Jim (talk) 11:13, 18 June 2023 (EDT)
Are you uploading your cover? --Username (talk) 11:17, 18 June 2023 (EDT)
No. I thought you were.Jim (talk) 11:22, 18 June 2023 (EDT)
"I thought your mentioning "The cover I submitted is a scan of my copy" meant you made an edit adding your copy's cover. I guess not. Also, as I looked at this again I saw that the author's name in note is different (Ann, Anne) so you may want to fix name in note and also check that the other names in note are correct. I think cover credit should be removed, too, because it's a cast photo from the Paramount TV series, not artwork; only other credit for Paramount Pictures here is another non-art cover for the movie Silver Bullet. That should likely be removed, too, by someone. --Username (talk) 11:34, 18 June 2023 (EDT)
I'm not making any edits on this right now. Too many things in play here. Please submit any fixes you think are necessary and I'll look at it again when it's settled down.11:50, 18 June 2023 (EDT)
Jim, after approving Username's submission, I went ahead and made the other two corrections he suggested. John Scifibones 10:18, 9 July 2023 (EDT)

Golem 100; HC you PV has wrong LCCN entered here, ID goes to a different book, real LCCN in copy on, 79-23137. --Username (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2023 (EDT)

Thanks.Jim (talk) 22:35, 22 June 2023 (EDT)

All the Visions / Space Baltic; PENDING edit but I didn't change the misspelled "suffiency" because I don't see the quoted message anywhere and it's possible it was misspelled originally; if not, you can correct it. --Username (talk) 13:42, 27 June 2023 (EDT)

I did an update on this some time ago when I had ready access to my copy. It's in storage right now so make whatever changes you think need to be done.Jim (talk) 21:57, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
Can't do that because I don't know what the word is really supposed to be; either it's misspelled in the print copy or it was entered incorrectly here. When you have access to it again you can fix if it's wrong, I'm just bringing it to your attention. --Username (talk) 08:08, 28 June 2023 (EDT)
It will have to wait until I get access to it again. I found a copy on the Internet Archive but it was the trade paperback version and did not have the text from the dustjacket. I strongly suspect that it was spelled correctly in the book and I just fat-fingered it while entering the information, though.Jim (talk) 00:34, 30 June 2023 (EDT)

Sturgeon's West; I just added an link (uploaded about a month ago) in a PENDING edit to this book and I think one of the 2 active PV of the non-book club edition should probably add the month, 02, where appropriate (title record, cover art, essay, original stories) since that edition came first, right? --Username (talk) 09:53, 1 July 2023 (EDT)

Yes. It looks like someone added the month. I have a more accurate date so I'll add a note, also. Thanks.Jim (talk) 12:42, 4 July 2023 (EDT)

Toxicology; I just made an edit adding link and noticed it's 140 pages, not 141 (last page has no number and is just publication history), and there's a Roman numeral, "v", on contents page, so you may want to add numeral and change count. --Username (talk) 10:28, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

Trial of Callista Blake; This is one of those OL-only, non-preview copies, uploaded way back in 2011, and I want to add a link but thought I'd check with you first because while it has the same page count as your PV it also has no price and no "first printing" or anything like that on the copyright page. There's no book club mention anywhere so does your copy look the same? --Username (talk) 11:40, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

Most of my books are in storage right now. I verified this one many years ago before I was really clued in. Prior to 1983 St. Martin's did not identify their first editions with any markings such as "First Edition" or "First printing". Later printings were noted. Beginning sometime in 1983 they started noting first editions and included a number line. As for the price...that could be hidden under the opaque band at the top of the plastic jacket. When I get my books back on shelves that will have to be one of the things I check. I would still put the link in though.Jim (talk) 01:50, 9 July 2023 (EDT)
OK, I'll add the link. --Username (talk) 08:28, 9 July 2023 (EDT)

Star Trek III: The Vulcan Treasure

Hi Jim

I noticed that your verified publication, Star Trek III: The Vulcan Treasure has Wendy Barish as a co-author with William Rostler. I don't see Barish's name on the cover scan and none of the secondary sources mention her as an author. She was also previously listed as a co-author for Star Trek III: Short Stories. In that case, I was able to find a scan of the book and couldn't find Barish's name on the title page and so I removed it. I also see from a Rosstler site, that Barish was his editor. However we wouldn't ordinarily credit an editor for a novel or collection. I noted that you recently mentioned that many of your books are in storage. When you are able, could you double check and see if the title page of your book includes Barish? Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:59, 13 July 2023 (EDT)

Missile Lords; PENDING edit with link, LCCN, and fixing of Jeff to Jefferson as it says on cover and title page; there's nowhere in the book that says Jeff. I assume your copy is the same. --Username (talk) 09:27, 16 July 2023 (EDT)

You're right!Jim (talk) 01:06, 18 July 2023 (EDT)

New Dimensions 5; Your PV copy probably has vi Roman numerals because later printing on has them. You may want to add vi to page count. --Username (talk) 00:47, 19 July 2023 (EDT)

Thanks. Will do.Jim (talk) 20:32, 22 July 2023 (EDT)

Bova Book; Shouldn't title be Astronomies with an R? --Username (talk) 17:43, 30 July 2023 (EDT)

Yes. I'll submit a fix. Thanks.Jim (talk) 17:54, 30 July 2023 (EDT)
Great. Except you didn't fix cover art title. --Username (talk) 23:33, 1 August 2023 (EDT)
Submitted.Jim (talk) 01:37, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

Dark Banquet; Is the wrong LCCN in your copy, too? Also, are there Roman numerals that should be added to page count? --Username (talk) 18:18, 4 August 2023 (EDT)

My copy is in storage at the moment so I can't check. If you have access to a copy with different information please make changes and I'll check mine when I'm able. I suspect that both points are true.Jim (talk) 11:44, 5 August 2023 (EDT)
I added note about LCCN as can be seen at the link above but I can't enter Roman numerals (assuming they're there) because surprisingly there's no archived copy, searchable Google Books copy, etc. So that will have to wait until you find your copy. --Username (talk) 12:54, 5 August 2023 (EDT)

Calculus Zombies; If you can verify other editions have "&" and not "and" those can be fixed along with cover art and regular title. That e-book price seems odd, too. --Username (talk) 20:14, 19 August 2023 (EDT)

I can only verify the one edition that I have. It has "&" on both the cover and title page. I know nothing about the e-book edition.Jim (talk) 17:10, 26 August 2023 (EDT)

Fire Pattern date

Hi. I accepted a submission adding a note to your verified Fire Pattern that says the second edition's copyright page states the first publication was in August 1984 (vs. the record's September 1984). If you still have access to that book, it might be worth researching the source of the September date and either documenting why it is being used despite the second edition's statement or adjusting the date on the record if that seems more appropriate. Thanks. --MartyD (talk) 07:33, 26 August 2023 (EDT)

The September date came from the review slip supplied by the US distributor. I suppose that they could have used the date of when they imported it into the US rather than the date it was actually published.Jim (talk) 17:06, 26 August 2023 (EDT)

Boddekker's Demons; I added link in a PENDING edit and page count should really be 293 or 293+[1] depending on whether you consider an unnumbered page with nothing but a quotation to count; last page is also unnumbered and is just acknowledgments. --Username (talk) 20:58, 27 August 2023 (EDT)

I would personally count it as 293+[2] in my own records as I consider it author content (the author meant for the quote to be there or they wouldn't have put it in). But that's just my view.Jim (talk) 22:28, 6 September 2023 (EDT)

Adding a Dimension

This book seems to be missing "Tools of the Trade" from page 49 or so. --J-Sun (talk) 18:28, 30 August 2023 (EDT)

Actually, all the publications of this title are. I guess they were all cloned from each other. --J-Sun (talk) 18:31, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
Looks like it needs a fix. If you are submitting it, go for it.Jim (talk) 22:30, 6 September 2023 (EDT)

S. Crichton; Should Sherry be changed to Sherri? Because that's what it says in a UK edition on and Sherri is on ISFDB with another essay for Dragon Teeth. --Username (talk) 17:34, 3 September 2023 (EDT)

Go ahead and change it. Probably just typed it with the usual spelling. I can't get to this book at the moment.Jim (talk) 22:31, 6 September 2023 (EDT)

Aspect; All of the many hundreds of Aspect books were entered here as an imprint; your PV of a Highlander book was the only one entered with Warner Aspect as the publisher, so that should probably be changed to the same as all the others so there isn't one book separated from the rest. --Username (talk) 08:55, 14 September 2023 (EDT)

Locus November 2019

Hi, I just updated your PVed Locus November 2019 to add an essay that appears in translated form in a different pub that I'm working on.

For that newly added article, I've linked to this on the Locus website, but I'm unsure if it's the complete piece - the translated version has some extra material that isn't in that website article.

I'm not expecting you to dig out a 4 year old magazine to verify this, but I just wanted to give you a head's up as it's your PV. Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 16:01, 16 September 2023 (EDT)

Asimov - Second Foundation

Hello Jim, regarding this pub, do you think the Pages field should be [10]+210, and the Prolog as page [7] (with piping) ? Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:00, 19 September 2023 (EDT)

Yes. You're right. Go ahead and make the edit or let me know if you want me to do it.Jim (talk) 13:32, 24 September 2023 (EDT)
Thanks, I've submitted the changes. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:39, 24 September 2023 (EDT)
Thanks.Jim (talk) 16:47, 24 September 2023 (EDT)

Pohl - Star Science Fiction Stories

... and as you are the only PV for this printing, I'd appreciate it if you would check the titling for the Asimov essay, given as Nobody Here But—. That appears to be out of line with the other Ballantine and Boardman editions which give it as "Nobody Here But ..." 1953-02-00, 1953-04-00, 1954-00-00, and 1961-07-00. It may be that the ToC in your copy has it like the former, but the notes in the 1953-02-00 and 1953-04-00 printings cover the situation correctly - i.e. we don't use the ToC for the title of the work. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 20:13, 20 September 2023 (EDT)

X-Treme; I just added an link in a PENDING edit, back cover also has an Australia $12.95 price which is not in the note here so if your copy says the same you may want to add it to the other prices. --Username (talk) 12:32, 25 September 2023 (EDT)

Marion's Wall; LCCN on copyright page of Warner PB which I just added a link to in a PENDING edit says LCCN is 72-85291 which would be the original HC but the Library of Congress record for the HC says "72089251". Can you check your copy and enter correct ID? --Username (talk) 12:41, 25 September 2023 (EDT)

Jack Finney / The Woodrow Wilson Dime

I am editing and PVing The Woodrow Wilson Dime and will correct "Oil" to "Petroleum" as per copyright page. Teallach (talk) 11:18, 27 September 2023 (EDT)

Okay.Jim (talk) 17:54, 30 September 2023 (EDT)

The Cruel Stars cover artist

In this edit you state that the cover artist is mentioned on the cover of the book (presumably the Del Rey edition?). Browsing the internet, I couldn't find any evidence of that fact. Instead, on the back cover of my copy of both The Cruel Stars as well as The Shattered Skies, I have the cover art attributed to Scribble Pad Studios. Can you provide us with a pointer and/or evidence to where it is stated that Paick is the artist?
By the way, I'd think it should be James Paick, not Paik - a typo? Regards, MagicUnk (talk) 06:19, 8 October 2023 (EDT)

I'm going to go with Scribble Pad Studios. The book has gone into storage and the info that I can find on the web also points to scribble. If I can find the book again I will make a definitive edit.Jim (talk) 15:35, 8 October 2023 (EDT)
OK, thanks. As an aside, I am inferring from your answer that you own the book. However, you didn't primary verify the publication record - is there a particular reason for that? Thanks! MagicUnk (talk) 02:21, 9 October 2023 (EDT)
Haven't gotten around to it.20:37, 15 October 2023 (EDT)

Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Seek; I changed cover art and reg. title to 2017 because Brit edition used the same cover art minus some text as can be seen at link in mod note and US copyright page on Amazon says 2017 is the original date. --Username (talk) 16:57, 13 October 2023 (EDT)

Okay.Jim (talk) 20:36, 15 October 2023 (EDT)

Stephen King / The Stand: The Complete & Uncut Edition

I am editing and PVing The Stand: The Complete & Uncut Edition and would like to make the following changes:
1) correct the title to "...Complete and Uncut..." as per title page (not "...Complete & Uncut...")
2) replace the content record for interiorart by "Berni Wrightson" with "Bernie Wrightson". The spelling is "Bernie" with an "e" at the end on both title and copyright pages
3) counting forward to determine the page numbers of the interior illustrations doesn't work for this pub because the leaves for these interior illustrations are interleaved among consecutive page numbers of text. I think the easiest way to deal with this is to replace "on pages" with "immediately following pages" and then reduce all the page numbers by 1
4) there are 12 (not 10) interior illustrations by Wrightson. The missing 2 immediately follow pages 242 and 982
Will also add pub notes. Is all this ok with you? Teallach (talk) 18:28, 13 October 2023 (EDT)

Go for it.Jim (talk) 20:36, 15 October 2023 (EDT)

Millennium; It's 249 pages, there's an excerpt from another novel after this novel ends. --Username (talk) 22:29, 18 October 2023 (EDT)

This will have to be broken up into the novel proper and the excerpt from the other novel. My copy is in deep storage at the moment. If you have access to a copy then please make the correction. Thanks.Jim (talk) 19:48, 4 November 2023 (EDT)

Eshbach's Of Worlds Beyond

It's been brought to my attention that the subtitle of the Dobson edition of Eshbach's Of Worlds Beyond does not include a hyphen between the words "Science" and "Fiction" in the subtitle. I've also checked 1979 Advent printing and it also does not have the hyphen. You've verified the 1964 Advent printing and I suspect none of the Advent printings have a hyphen. I've removed it from the unverified 1964 paperback and am consulting with the verifier of 1974 printing. As the sole verifier, I'll leave the 1964 Advent printing to you. However, the COVERART for all the Advent printings needs to be updated as well. I can take care of this, once I hear from you and the other verifier. Let me know if you have any objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:05, 26 October 2023 (EDT)

Go ahead and make the change. Thanks for the catch.Jim (talk) 19:45, 4 November 2023 (EDT)

Gregg 10th Victim; Intro starts on v, not iv. --Username (talk) 12:46, 6 November 2023 (EST)

Thanks. Go ahead with the change or let me know if you want me to make it.Jim (talk) 01:14, 7 November 2023 (EST)
You can make it. --Username (talk) 08:00, 7 November 2023 (EST)
Change submitted.Jim (talk) 01:00, 10 November 2023 (EST)

Gollancz Status Civilization; ISBN on copyright page is different in the copy (I added a link to that in a PENDING edit); 02018. That ISBN is found online at Cold Tonnage Books, ISBN on ISFDB is found on Amazon and a few other sites. You may want to write a note about the discrepancy and where the correct (?) ISBN came from (back flap, I assume). --Username (talk) 16:07, 9 November 2023 (EST)

Inklings: The Art of Gary Davis

Jim, disambiguating the artist Gary Davis (artist) from the author Gary Davis necessitated an edit to your verified pub Inklings: The Art of Gary Davis. John Scifibones 08:12, 13 November 2023 (EST)

Ripped; I left the cover art credit for Shelly Dickson Carr's novel because I'm assuming Gall did that, too; is that image used for one of the interior art pieces? --Username (talk) 20:16, 13 November 2023 (EST)

Yes.Jim (talk) 01:47, 14 November 2023 (EST)

The Glory Game

You are PV for this title: I submitted this edit for it, which was approved & published: "Submitting Goodreads external ID & two web page reviews." Cheers. Mike (talk) 21:18, 16 November 2023 (EST)

Thanks for the update.Jim (talk) 01:16, 17 November 2023 (EST)

Tschirky; L. should be added to artist name (note says L.) so it is the same as all his other ISFDB credits. --Username (talk) 10:52, 20 November 2023 (EST)

Hi Jim
I've no objections to proceeding with this change if you concur. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:45, 20 November 2023 (EST)
No problem here.Jim (talk) 18:12, 26 November 2023 (EST)

Suzy McKee Charnas/Joan Vinge/Octavia Butler

Can you please double check the date on Suzy McKee Charnas/Joan Vinge/Octavia Butler? Starmont House ceased operation in 1993. The tp edition was 1986. Is the 1996 on your edition a typo? If not, is there something to explain the date being after the publisher no longer existed? Borgo Press bought Starmont House's backstock, but the one book I've seen they sold had a Borgo Press sticker on the title page. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:33, 25 November 2023 (EST)

Pure typo. Nothing special about by copy. Go ahead and submit fix.Jim (talk) 18:13, 26 November 2023 (EST)
Update made. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:30, 28 December 2023 (EST)

Space: 1999 Index; Your note about index has a wrong number. --Username (talk) 09:02, 30 November 2023 (EST)

~Fix submitted.Jim (talk) 11:16, 30 November 2023 (EST)

Tomorrow's TV; Title page says Martin Harry Greenberg and Charles Waugh for 2 of the editors which is not what's on ISFDB; might need fixing. EDIT: Same issue with Travels Through Time; --Username (talk) 17:52, 5 December 2023 (EST)

Go ahead and include them in your submissions. Thanks for the catch.Jim (talk) 00:47, 8 December 2023 (EST)

Chain of Events

Since you're the verifier of Chain of Events I'm adding the page number (1) to the contents for the novel, if you have no objection. Thanks. gzuckier (talk) 22:17, 11 December 2023 (EST)

No objections here.Jim (talk) 01:06, 12 December 2023 (EST)

Ian Watson / The Embedding

Posted on the talk pages of SFJuggler, MLB.
I am editing and PVing The Embedding and would like to make the following changes:
1) There is an ISBN discrepancy and I am proposing to add the following pub notes:
The ISBN stated on copyright page, 0-684-13896-4, differs from the SBN stated on rear cover, 684-14205-8
The ISBN 0684138964 appears to be also used for an edition of A Concise History of India by Francis Watson (non-fiction, non-genre) according to both the LoC and OCLC/WorldCat websites as at 2023-12-12
The ISBN 0684142058 is not registered on LoC or OCLC/WorldCat websites but does appear on and used book sites (Abebooks, Biblio) as at 2023-12-12. Furthermore, it only returns results for one title: The Embedding so is probably the correct ISBN for this publication
Based on all the above I would prefer to change the ISBN field of the pub record to contain 0684142058. However, I don't feel strongly about this; it's the pub notes that are important. What's your opinion about changing the ISBN field? I'll go with the majority opinion among the three of us.
2) Back flap of dustjacket states "Jacket design by Jerry Thorp". Modern ISFDb practice is to not have coverart records for designers so I propose to remove the coverart record and will add explanatory pub note.
3) Will add general pub notes.
Is all this ok with you? Teallach (talk) 18:05, 12 December 2023 (EST)

My preference would be to have the correct ISBN in the ISBN field and an explanation about the incorrect one in the notes. That's the way I currently have an edit in on "Practical Demonkeeping".

As for the cover art I was assuming that the cover design credit covered the actual art as well. My edits for the last couple of years have credited the designer in the notes and the actual artist in the artist field. Sometimes they are one and the same. If you feel that Thorp is not the actual artist then go ahead and make a change and cover that in the notes.Jim (talk) 00:45, 13 December 2023 (EST)

Which of the two ISBN's do you consider to be the correct one? Teallach (talk) 18:25, 13 December 2023 (EST)
I consider 0-684-14205-8 to be the correct one but 0-684-13896-4 is the one that comes up in the LOC and so is the "official" one. If you search for 0-684-13896-4 it comes up with "The Embedding" but also with "A Concise History of India" by Francis Watson. I've submitted a correct to the LOC but who knows if that will go anywhere.Jim (talk) 00:11, 16 December 2023 (EST)
I completely agree about the ISBN so will change the ISBN field to contain 0-684-14205-8 when I submit the edit.
Regarding the cover art, I have no idea whether Thorp is also the artist. The Help Notes on Cover Art state:
  • The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.
I suspect that in many cases, publishers state "designer" when they mean artist, or both designer and artist, but we can't second guess the publisher's hidden meaning. All we can do is take what they state at face value. So I will remove the cover art record in this case. Thanks for your input on this. Teallach (talk) 18:51, 17 December 2023 (EST)
You're welcome.Jim (talk) 19:31, 17 December 2023 (EST)

Science-Fiction Five-Yearly, #5, November 1971

I approved this submission adding Science-Fiction Five-Yearly, #5, November 1971. I added the missing series to the title record , please make the following changes to the pub.

  • Create the necessary variant titles for the 2 alternate names. (I see your note to mod, just listing here as a reminder)
  • Robert E. Lee Jr. should be Robert E. Lee, Jr. per our standards.
  • Replace the three 'br' HTML tags with 'li' in your pub notes.

Post a note here and I'll approve them. Thanks, John Scifibones 11:25, 25 December 2023 (EST)

Fixed the
tags. Created one of the alternate names as a test. If it goes through correctly I'll fix the others.Jim (talk) 12:01, 25 December 2023 (EST)
I'm holding this one. Looks like Stars of the Slave Giants is part 4 of a four-part serial. If so, Change the title to "Stars of the Slave Giants (Part 4 of 4)" and title type to serial. John Scifibones 12:13, 25 December 2023 (EST)
Title change submitted.Jim (talk) 17:09, 31 December 2023 (EST)
I approved the change in title, the title type still needed to be changed to serial. Then I approved your original variant submission (note how the changes were automatically incorporated into your submission). This created a duplicate parent which I merged. Here is the end result.
Looks like another editor saw "!Nissassa" on the cleanup report and made the same mistake you originally made. I've corrected as above. Here is the parent title. Note the serial titles show an undetermined number of parts. Your copy should identify the missing total. Please edit the three titles as appropriate. Thanks, John Scifibones 08:46, 1 January 2024 (EST)

The Faceless Old Woman Who Secretly Lives in Your Home

Re: this submission. Your change from '365' to '365+[6]' is incorrect. Per bullet point three under Pages here, we only make this change if there are content title records. Either correct the Pages field or add content titles. FWIW I prefer your notes. John Scifibones 11:38, 25 December 2023 (EST)

Same here.

Counts changed.Jim (talk) 17:01, 31 December 2023 (EST)

Author Legal Name

I'm holding this submission. I assume 'McDaniel' is the last name. Please enter legal names as "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames". Thanks John Scifibones 11:48, 25 December 2023 (EST)

Submission canceled and new one submitted.Jim (talk) 12:18, 25 December 2023 (EST)
approved. John Scifibones 12:29, 25 December 2023 (EST)
Thanks.Jim (talk) 12:31, 25 December 2023 (EST)

The Time Travelers; While adding link and LCCN in a PENDING edit I noticed back flap says month is May so I fixed it to that. I searched for the series (?) "A Robert Silverberg Science Fiction Selection" mentioned on back flap in text search and the only other book with that series is the Fine edition of David Zindell's Neverness,, and as you can see someone's note there detailed the discrepancy with dates and settled on using what the HC says. Also, the archived copy of Neverness has no price on front flap or date on back flap; book club edition or just badly framed? On the off chance you own a copy of that book maybe you can say what yours says. --Username (talk) 17:36, 27 December 2023 (EST)

I do not own a copy of Neverness so I can't check on that. The date on Travelers is indeed May. I just looked it up and according to the Catalog of Copyright #TX0001602244 the official publication date registered is 1985-05-03. I didn't know about the catalog at the time so I used whatever was already in the listing.Jim (talk) 01:53, 28 December 2023 (EST)

An Index to Unknown and Unknown Worlds; While adding link I also noticed all titles were wrong so I fixed them. --Username (talk) 12:32, 31 December 2023 (EST)

Thank you.Jim (talk) 16:54, 31 December 2023 (EST)

Lost Format; 2nd and 3rd were entered as PB (4th is HC); should #1 be PB, too? --Username (talk) 12:58, 6 January 2024 (EST)

Yes. Good catch. I'll make a submission.Jim (talk) 17:06, 6 January 2024 (EST)

To Catch a Rat

Jim, I'm holding this submission changing the title record date to 1977-02. The Fututa pb shows a publication date of 1977-01. I fixed the broken link showing the source. The same source, as well as, shows the hc publication date as 1977-06-02. Looks like you misread the Amazon date mistaking the day for the month. I think you should cancel this submission and revert the hc date. What do you think? John Scifibones 14:48, 8 January 2024 (EST) is pretty explicit about February 1977 (the "-01" usually just means they don't know the exact date). If you want to keep the January date I'm fine with that.21:06, 8 January 2024 (EST)
Do you agree the hardcover publication date should revert to 1977-06-02}? John Scifibones 08:07, 9 January 2024 (EST)
I'm fine with whatever decision you make. That's just where I got the info.Jim (talk) 21:58, 9 January 2024 (EST)

Counting the Eons

Would you confirm that your verified copy of Counting the Eons contains Milton! Thou Should'st Be Living at This Hour (note the apostrophe). The verifier of the UK edition confirms the variant title Milton! Thou Shouldst Be Living at This Hour (no apostrophe). Thanks, John Scifibones 12:48, 12 January 2024 (EST)

No apostrophe.Jim (talk) 13:27, 12 January 2024 (EST)
Change made. Thanks for the quick response. John Scifibones 13:34, 12 January 2024 (EST)
You're welcome.Jim (talk) 16:49, 12 January 2024 (EST)

Night People; Book club edition on says Mary Anne Shea as artist on back flap, not Ann. If yours is the same it should be corrected. --Username (talk) 12:43, 14 January 2024 (EST)

Correction submitted. Thanks.Jim (talk) 14:24, 14 January 2024 (EST)

Back Door of History; No archived copy of Betcha Can't Read Just One but I searched Google copy and it is Halicarnassus so if your PV copy of Lafferty's collection really says Halicarnasses then the former should be a variant or if it was entered wrong and it's spelled with the "u" in the collection then the 2 titles should be merged, I think. --Username (talk) 12:38, 16 January 2024 (EST)

My copy is in deep storage at the moment but I'm betting that mine is a typo on my part and the two should be merged.Jim (talk) 12:48, 16 January 2024 (EST)
No hurry, when you can get to it you can check and do what's necessary; I was so surprised to see an issue with a Lafferty story, assuming that his record was fully looked over and verified a long time ago, that I thought I'd mention it. He published so much stuff in hard-to-find little books that I'm guessing there's probably some more (possibly) mistaken variant titles that were entered here by various editors over the years. --Username (talk) 13:35, 16 January 2024 (EST)
I've submitted an edit to change the spelling. I don't think Dan Knight at UMP would have let something like that slip by. If I get my copy out of storage and it ISN'T a typo, I'll fix it again.Jim (talk) 20:17, 16 January 2024 (EST)

Strange Skies; uploaded several Lafferty books recently and while adding a link in a PENDING edit to this one I noticed it has an ISBN, 0-921322-09-7 on copyright page and back cover so if your copy does you may want to enter it. --Username (talk) 13:41, 20 January 2024 (EST)

That ISBN matches the one in my records. I just forgot to enter it in the ISFDB record.Jim (talk) 00:40, 21 January 2024 (EST)

Chernobyl Syndrome; PENDING edit adding archived link and fixing note about cover to design (by Carol Russo), not art. --Username (talk) 20:25, 28 January 2024 (EST)

Thanks for the heads-up.Jim (talk) 21:43, 29 January 2024 (EST)

Silverberg's Beyond the Safe Zone; Front flap of archived copy says $18.95; does yours? --Username (talk) 09:13, 1 February 2024 (EST)

Les Martin's Blade Runner

I am submitting a conversion of this book from a novel to a chapbook/short fiction, because with a page count of 91, with many of those pages being photographs, this is clearly short fiction. TerokNor (talk) 05:17, 2 February 2024 (EST)

Buckaroo Banzai; PENDING edit adding link to Google Books preview and intro by the author, couldn't get starting page number for intro so if your copy has one you may want to enter it. --Username (talk) 12:15, 3 February 2024 (EST)

I don't have ready access to my copy at the moment.Jim (talk) 00:38, 4 February 2024 (EST)

Event Horizon; I fixed name to what is on title page (no E). --Username (talk) 08:12, 9 February 2024 (EST)

I'm holding; pending your response. John Scifibones 14:16, 24 February 2024 (EST)
Hearing no objection, I've approved the change. John Scifibones 08:43, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

Robert Bloch's Midnight Pleasures

Howdy. Re: your PV'd ... my copy matches all the points in your PV'd listing, but also has publisher's slipcase, and is signed by Bloch on its title page in red felt-tip pen. If yours is same, I'll add that to your PV'd listing. If yours differs, I'll add mine as a separate edition. Thanks. Markwood (talk) 13:10, 9 February 2024 (EST)

I think that may be a collector's custom-made slipcase. I am not aware of any Doubleday signed, boxed version of this book. I could be wrong but I was working in a bookstore when this came out and ordered our stock. I don't recall seeing anything like that in the catalog. Definitely worth researching. If true, it's pretty rare.Jim (talk) 03:19, 10 February 2024 (EST)
Jim, while approving a submission adding an link, I noticed Pages: was 177. This needed to be adjusted to account for the additional content you recorded on page 179. Per the discussion in the next thread, I made Pages "177+[2]". Since the novel ended on 177, no additional note is necessary. John Scifibones 16:06, 24 February 2024 (EST)


Jim, I approved your submission editing Upgrade. Couple points:

  • Page number for the novel s/b 3 not "[3]". I assume you are trying to say that page 3 is unnumbered. Whether numbered or not, it is part of the main series, so no brackets.
From the help Regular titles - 1st bullet point under Pages "Unnumbered pages within a range of numbered pages - Quite often in book publications and occasionally in magazines, the publisher/designer chooses not to print a number on the page on which a story, artwork, or essay begins. If the page is not numbered, and is within a range of numbered pages (i.e. the pages which follow the first numbered page within a publication), its page number can be derived from the nearest numbered page."
  • Pages field. +[2] is only required if you will be creating a title record for the "About the Author" essay.
From the help Pages - 3rd bullet point "Sometimes a publication will have unnumbered pages before page 1. If there is any material in these pages which needs to be entered as part of the contents of the book, you may record this by entering the count in squared brackets. For example, [6]+320 would be a publication with six unnumbered pages and then 320 numbered pages. There is no need to record these unnumbered pages if they contain no content that needs to be recorded. At times you will need to count backwards from the first numbered page to see which is page 1 and then would count the unnumbered pages that are before this. Likewise, you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages."

If you agree, submit and I'll approve. John Scifibones 17:33, 23 February 2024 (EST)

Pretty much spot on. The page number that the novel starts on is in the page range. Go ahead.00:56, 27 February 2024 (EST)

Crimes & Chaos

Hi, could you confirm that the essay "The Men Who Killed the Brigade" in Avram Davidson's Crimes & Chaos starts with "Minié rifles cracked in the darkness." and ends "It allowed each man the magnificent pension of ... a shilling [about 25 cents] a day!" If so, the essay was previously printed in Cavalier, April 1961, as "The Day the Light Brigade Died". Horzel (talk) 18:13, 27 February 2024 (EST)

I would but the book is in deep storage right now and not accessible. However, Richard Grant's bibliography of Davidson seems to confirm it. See it here.Jim (talk) 02:28, 29 February 2024 (EST)
Thank you! Horzel (talk) 17:36, 3 March 2024 (EST)
You're welcome.Jim (talk) 17:37, 3 March 2024 (EST)

Costigan's Needle; I just made an edit adding archived link to the book club edition (and fixing count to 223); your PV copy of the trade edition has a wrong date in the note, 1954 instead of 1953, and I think parent month should be 11, not 8, going by published date. --Username (talk) 18:49, 8 March 2024 (EST)

"Wong's Lost and Found Emporium" in A Century of Fantasy 1980 - 1989

I accepted a submission that merged a variant title, changing the author credit from William Wu to William F. Wu on "Wong's Lost and Found Emporium" in your verified A Century of Fantasy 1980 - 1989. The scan shows "F." on the story's title page and in the citations in the front matter, with the F.-less version only used in the TOC listing. Please review and adjust if that was inappropriate based on your copy. Thanks. --MartyD (talk) 13:26, 9 March 2024 (EST)

It's fine. Typo on my part.Jim (talk) 20:29, 9 March 2024 (EST)

Devolution: A Firsthand Account of the Rainier Sasquatch Massacre

Jim, I have a question regarding this update to Devolution: A Firsthand Account of the Rainier Sasquatch Massacre. Are you planning on creating title records for the 2 "About" titles mentioned in the notes? If not, please remove the '+[3]' from the Pages field. From the help - bullet point 3 under Pages

  • "... Likewise, you may record the count of unnumbered pages at the end of a publication. For example, 320+[4]. As before, only do this if there is additional content in these pages that requires the creation of a content record, as when there is an afterword or book excerpt which appears on unnumbered pages."

Thanks, John Scifibones 12:10, 15 March 2024 (EDT)

Page count altered.Jim (talk) 02:25, 16 March 2024 (EDT)

Time-Servers; Should it be Timeservers? Copyright page says that, dash on cover and title page likely because title was too long to fit on one line when written in huge font. --Username (talk) 13:36, 16 March 2024 (EDT)

Probably right. My copy is in deep storage and unavailable at the moment. Go ahead and make the change.Jim (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2024 (EDT)

Adding a Dimension

hiya mate, i'm going to add the missing tools of the trade essay to the discus edition that i've pv'd. i'll add it to this one as well if youre happy. cheers from Gaz Faustus (talk) 10:17, 18 March 2024 (EDT)

I'm happy. Go for it.Jim (talk) 01:40, 19 March 2024 (EDT)

Frontiers II

sorry to bother you again mate but i'd like to add all the contents for this one if you've got no objections. cheers from Gaz Faustus (talk) 10:08, 19 March 2024 (EDT)

None at all.Jim (talk) 01:36, 21 March 2024 (EDT)

Shuttle; I added link in a PENDING edit and noticed count was way off so I fixed it to 414. --Username (talk) 18:19, 29 March 2024 (EDT)

Thank you.Jim (talk) 00:58, 31 March 2024 (EDT)

Mad Scientists; I added link and changed artist to Fennimore because that's what it says on front cover's right side sideways; only places where artist is mentioned online seem to be ISFDB and SFE and both spell it wrong with one N. I think it's Linda Fennimore,, so if you can find any info about that it can be a variant. --Username (talk) 20:22, 11 April 2024 (EDT)

I can't find anything to say that you're wrong so I'd go with your change.Jim (talk) 00:59, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

The Hour of the Thin Ox

Changed publisher for this from George Allen & Unwin to Unwin Hyman as per what's printed on title page & copyright page of my physical copy. --Mavmaramis (talk) 12:27, 12 April 2024 (EDT)

That's the publisher I have listed in my personal records, also. The George Allen & Unwin is from the original submission. I guess none of us ever verified the exact wording. Good catch.Jim (talk) 01:24, 13 April 2024 (EDT)

Crown Alongside Night; I have an edit adding links to 2 archived copies and noticed 1999 edition on Google Books says Crown edition was published October 16 in case you think it's reliable enough to enter the day; your notes say October 10. --Username (talk) 09:49, 20 April 2024 (EDT)

The Catalog of Copyright number is the official registration of the copyright with the U.S. Government copyright office. I cite this number and date in my listings when I can find them as I count it as the most reliable and it's the one used by the courts in copyright dispute cases. Since these registrations are filed by the publisher themselves and are registered usually no more than a month after the book is published I consider them the "Gold Standard". There are times where a book has been delayed in distribution and Tuck, Locus and other sources have been pretty good picking up on this. For what it's worth.Jim (talk) 18:44, 20 April 2024 (EDT)

DREAM PARK limitation/signature page

Re: Publication Record # 257863

You are the first primary verifier for the Phantasia Press limited edition of Dream Park (1981). My copy has the limitation/signature page as the first page after the numbered pages; the last numbered page being 434, so the limitation/signature page should be [435]. Your entry has [436].

I tried to correct this, but my submission seems to have disappeared. Perhaps this is because the ISFDB procedure for such corrections is to first contact the primary verifier about them? That's the only reason I can see that my submitted correction seems to have disappeared.

Sorry for the "newbie" question; I'm quite new to contributing to the ISFDB.

Lensman03 (talk) 18:28, 22 April 2024 (EDT)

Don't worry about "newbie" questions. Everyone of us started the same. I don't think the disappearance has anything to do with procedures. I've had an entry go through 3 cycles now where parts of the contents disappear after being accepted. I'm just re-entering it and re-submitting it and it gets a little closer each time. Must be a "glitch in the Matrix" or something. Go ahead and re-submit it. I probably fat-fingered it in my entry.Jim (talk) 01:05, 23 April 2024 (EDT)
Thank you!
Lensman03 (talk) 12:47, 23 April 2024 (EDT)
You're welcome.Jim (talk) 21:34, 23 April 2024 (EDT)

Jim Morrison's Adventures in the Afterlife; While adding link I noticed price was slightly off so I made it $25.95 as front flap and back cover barcode say. --Username (talk) 22:45, 23 April 2024 (EDT)

That matches my records. Thanks.Jim (talk) 01:34, 24 April 2024 (EDT)

Clique; While adding link I noticed note about cover is wrong because she is credited on copyright page so if yours is the same you can re-word that note as you wish. --Username (talk) 11:02, 24 April 2024 (EDT)

Fix submitted. Thanks for the heads-up.Jim (talk) 17:24, 24 April 2024 (EDT)


Hello Jim, I'm following up on this coversation and will be adding these pubs 47163, 265764, 147441, 179681, 49352, 240297, 288174, 277025, 406138, 222, 33808, 232077, 225937, 179641, 13647, 36408 to Gollancz SF Series (4) and this pub to Gollancz SF Series (6). Regards, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 15:55, 26 April 2024 (EDT)

Thanks for the heads-up.Jim (talk) 15:25, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

Nightreaver; While adding archived link and LCCN in a PENDING edit I noticed 187 p. on the LoC page and checked the book and that was correct so I also made count 187. --Username (talk) 20:45, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

You're right! That's what my records say, too. Fat fingers. Thanks.Jim (talk) 21:13, 27 April 2024 (EDT)

Small Miracles

You contributed 14 Secondary Verifications to this pub, all in one second. Have you really checked all the sources to make sure this 2014 publication doesn't have an entry in each one? I checked out the OCLC/WorldCat but couldn't find an entry. If You found one, please put the ID number in the designated field. If You didn't, please remove the Secondary Verification of OCLC and mark 'Not verified'. --Zapp (talk) 15:45, 29 April 2024 (EDT)

isfdb updates all of the timestamps at once. The OCLC listing is for the Tor edition. This has been corrected. Thanks for the catch.Jim (talk) 01:51, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

Night Moves; No subtitle on title page. --Username (talk) 09:26, 1 May 2024 (EDT)

I don't have a subtitle in my records. Not sure where that came from. Thanks for the fix.Jim (talk) 01:53, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

Robert Sheckley / Immortality Delivered

I have added the month 1958-12-00 to Immortality Delivered and pub note:
Month from Immortality, Inc. (Bantam, 1959) which states: "Bouregy edition published December 1958". Avalon was an imprint of Bouregy
Teallach (talk) 11:19, 13 May 2024 (EDT)

Thanks. I just found a publication date in the copyright records that shows a 1958-11-21 date and was about to put that in there. I'll wait until yours is approved and then add mine as additional notes. Sheckley renewed the copyright on this in 1986 in July and then again in December so this one has been worked over.Jim (talk) 00:43, 14 May 2024 (EDT)
Teallach's change has been approved. John Scifibones 07:56, 14 May 2024 (EDT)
Thanks.Jim (talk) 01:51, 15 May 2024 (EDT)

New World or No World; I added link, ID, essays. --Username (talk) 17:54, 23 May 2024 (EDT)

Thanks.Jim (talk) 12:00, 25 May 2024 (EDT)

Project Cyclops; While adding the archived links I noticed count was off by 1 so I changed it to 425. --Username (talk) 11:31, 30 May 2024 (EDT)

Human Inside; I've fixed all Book Venture Publishing titles on ISFDB to BookVenture Publishing in PENDING edits so if your copy of this book says the same can you add Publishing to it so they'll all be under the same name? Preview copy on Google Books is for the TP. --Username (talk) 19:24, 30 May 2024 (EDT)

Can't get to mine at the moment but I'm sure the TP and HC were both from the same source so I'll submit a fix.Jim (talk) 23:01, 1 June 2024 (EDT)

Mummy!; While adding archived link in a PENDING edit I noticed count was wrong so I changed x to xii. --Username (talk) 19:44, 2 June 2024 (EDT)

Thank you. I'll change it in my records, also.Jim (talk) 01:18, 4 June 2024 (EDT)

Rogers' Rangers; While adding archived link I noticed cover artist IS credited so I fixed note and fixed artist whose name wasn't entered correctly (it's just Penalva). --Username (talk) 18:39, 15 June 2024 (EDT)

Nice catch. Thanks.Jim (talk) 22:55, 15 June 2024 (EDT)

Valentine Pontifex (limited edition)

Re: our verified publication.

  • I would like to modify this note "The only distinction is the dustjacket has been reprinted with a new ISBN and price." This edition has purple cloth covered boards and gray endpapers. The trade edition is half-bound with blue boards and purple cloth and white endpapers.
  • Import this title.

Any objections? John Scifibones 09:22, 17 June 2024 (EDT)

No objections. More detail is good!Jim (talk) 21:46, 18 June 2024 (EDT)