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Monster Hunter Files; I added LCCN ID and link (uploaded last August) in a (pending) edit, but it's 319 pages, not 313. Does that need fixing? --Username (talk) 08:38, 16 February 2023 (EST)

I'll have to go look at my copy. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:29, 28 February 2023 (EST)

N. Conde; I've been entering edits for Nicholas Conde books and came across this, in case you want to enter it. --Username (talk) 19:59, 17 February 2023 (EST)

Done! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe

Shared Nightmares; The co-editor and the last 4 stories were missing so I entered those. --Username (talk) 12:10, 27 February 2023 (EST)

Thanks! Approved. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:46, 28 February 2023 (EST)

John Howard

Thank you for creating the disambiguations so promptly. JohnHoward (talk) 18:31, 16 March 2023 (EDT)

You're welcome. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:33, 16 March 2023 (EDT)

Japanese Brains of Rats; I came across something today that said Blumlein's collection won't be reprinted in the Paperbacks From Hell Line because his widow won't allow it so I added a few ID to fill out what's already here and came across that edition linked above in case you feel like entering it. --Username (talk) 20:17, 25 March 2023 (EDT)

Added here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:41, 27 March 2023 (EDT)

No Flying in the House, illus Wally Tripp

Hi. I'm sure you made some mistake 2021-03-29 re two 1982 publications of 1970 novel No Flying in the House T29895 as Harper Trophy. ISBN 0-06-440130-8 fits Harper Trophy 1982. Unfortunately now reports 1970 (must be 1st ed. of the work) and 2020 50th Anniversary edition for the two ISBN.

There must be some clues in our attributions of No Flying in the House artwork to illustrator Wallace Tripp: 3 cover art Titles as 1970 and 1 interior art as 1982.

(I doubt all reports of 1980s Harper Trophy pb, and surmise this book doesn't belong, while the 1986/88/89 are tp.) --Pwendt|talk 10:39, 26 March 2023 (EDT)

I'm unclear about what you're wanting here. The only one I've seen is this one. I need to use my copy (which I now have) to verify its details. Other than that, I don't know what you're looking for. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:16, 27 March 2023 (EDT)
I made a bunch of edits recently, starting with, that are still pending which will clear up some of the confusion but there's still a lot left. --Username (talk) 11:28, 27 March 2023 (EDT)
Nihonjoe, you are the last editor of both reported 1982 Harper Trophy, 1982-00 which gives no source at all (now looks to me, you only removed an obviously wrong cover image), and 1982-08 with surprise data which gives no source but undated. (By the way, cover image credits Illus. by WTripp --but front cover without Harper branding is a surprise.)
Now I understand you will complete one of the two records, having a copy of the book, right? [our record of the 50th Anniversary hc P829905] And Username has worked on some publications of the novel. So I will wait. --Pwendt|talk 19:17, 27 March 2023 (EDT)
I see that I read the Edit histories hastily. On second look, and covering more No Flying publication records:
  1. Wallace Tripp has so outlandish an assortment of No Flying cover illustrations because on that day, by oversight or presumption, you credited the Amazon "Illustrator" with coverart rather than interiorart. So I want you to do the opposite: INTERIORART, with a note if COVERART is inferred.
  2. "pb" or "tp" must also be a common presumption, or an extension of what (we think) we know about a publisher/imprint. Amazon commonly reports no size. For ISFDB No Flying softcovers, today by ASIN or ISBN, reports size only for the one it has redated from 1982 to 2020. (It reports simply "Paperback" thruout I don't know what "Mass Market Paperback" means at Amazon, when it is used correctly there.) Probably our database should be refined use "mp" and "tp" for mass and trade, and "pbk" for paperback. --Pwendt|talk 10:25, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
"Outlandish" is a pretty outlandish use of the word. He's only credited with the original cover art as well as the interior art. Regarding your confusion of types of books, I can't really help you there. Here, "pb" means mass market paperback (and some smaller formats) and "tp" means trade paperback. It's explained pretty well here, including sizes. And Amazon has a "Dimensions" field for most books, especially newer books. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:07, 28 March 2023 (EDT)
My edits were approved, thanks. Forgot to mention the 2 cover art removals of Tripp were actually done by the Filipino artist Macky Pamintuan, who I have a pending edit for adding a photo and a few other things, in case anyone gets around to doing more with these books and wants to add his name if they can figure out which edition was the first with that cover art. Also re: Tripp,, which supposedly is rare (no copies on but I notice the LCCN is different than the one on ISFDB (and; not sure why, but that info may come in handy if anyone works on that book. I would guess he also did the cover art but isn't credited here. --Username (talk) 11:25, 28 March 2023 (EDT)

Scott Smith; Can you check what names are used for that intro? That Smith isn't the same one as the horror author who wrote The Ruins. There should be a way to differ them. The anthology containing the intro says it was edited by Scott S. and Vickie, not Vicki, Smith, so her name is different, too. --Username (talk) 19:05, 7 April 2023 (EDT)

I'll have to look at it when I get home. I suspect they simply used different names on the intro if it's not a typo. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:22, 10 April 2023 (EDT)
Okay, I sorted out their works and added "(screenwriter)" to the horror writer. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:54, 11 April 2023 (EDT)

Eyes of Prey; Because there's an Author Afterword in the copy, a link to which was added, by me. But I'll ask him anyway. --Username (talk) 20:35, 11 April 2023 (EDT)

Thank you. Please let me know when he's been able to pull the book from storage to check it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:51, 12 April 2023 (EDT)

Risk Takers; According to contents page on Amazon "Gamblers Fallacy" should be "Gambler's" and Geddes' story is by Cindie, not Cindy. Those are the only mistakes I noticed. --Username (talk) 08:32, 17 April 2023 (EDT)

I'll double check those tonight when I get home. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:38, 17 April 2023 (EDT)
Fixed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:21, 18 April 2023 (EDT)

Doomsday Book

Regarding Doomsday Book: The collector's notes in this publication are by James Gunn per comparison of a Ebay photo of the notes and Gunn's Paratexts which reprints the notes. I have imported an uncredited essay which is varianted to one as by Gunn. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:31, 22 April 2023 (EDT)

Okay. I'll have to check my copy to see what's in it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:28, 24 April 2023 (EDT)
I've added some note clarifications and added page numbers for the parts prior to the numbered pages. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:12, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

Re: Novelization

This is tangential to the Portal discussion, so I'm posting on your User Talk. My reference to movie was that you had replaced movie with script/screenplay, suggesting the movie itself was not an option. I was advocating for something more like "movie, script or screenplay". My apologies for not being clearer. ../Doug H (talk) 08:16, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

That's the thing: I didn't replace it. I added some additional wording prior to "movie". My suggestion was "novelization of the screenplay or script of a movie, TV show, game, or other non-written work". I didn't remove any of the current wording, but rather added the bold part. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:13, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
It's amazing what primary school concepts come back to haunt in old age. Your suggested text changed the noun movie to the noun-pair screenplay or script and made movie an adjective that modifies them. To me, this is replacing the subject of the sentence from movie to screenplay/script. This revised wording suggests that making a novelizations directly from movies without a script or screenplay was not allowed (as with Luana), and that scripts from plays were also excluded (e.g. Peter Pan), which may or may not have been your intention. The discussion of proper wording can continue in the forum(s), I just wanted to take the discussion of my use of replace aside as it really has no bearing on the actual discussion. ../Doug H (talk) 14:09, 26 April 2023 (EDT).
You're being disingenuously pedantic. The word "movie" was not replaced, in any sense of the word. I simply added additional words before "movie". Nowhere did I explicitly discuss nouns or adjectives in any of that, and neither did you until just now. And, as I stated, plays are not excluded (I specifically addressed that in my comments). They fall under the "other" in the full sentence. Not sure why you seem to have this particular bee in your bonnet, but it's not productive. My comments were very clear and you're purposely taking things out of context and trying to imply I did something which I clearly did not do. Please drop it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:58, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

A Hero for Wondla


All the other novels (titles and publication titles) in this series has the L in WondLa capitalized: the second had a mix of the two. I've fixed the rest but as this one is verified by you, I am stopping by to check if you mind if I fix it (or you can). Thanks! Annie (talk) 15:50, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

Fixed. Just a typo. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:54, 26 April 2023 (EDT)
Thanks! Annie (talk) 16:04, 26 April 2023 (EDT)

Eiko Mutsuhana's "Return from Death" novels

When you have a moment, could you please review this series by Eiko Mutsuhana/六つ花えいこ ? The subtitle of the English translations of volume 1 includes the word "Boyfriend" while the subtitle of volume 2 includes the word "Girlfriend". Since I don't know Japanese and haven't been able to find the originals on Amazon JP, I can't tell if one or both of our parent titles may be wrong. TIA! Ahasuerus (talk) 20:52, 6 May 2023 (EDT)

It looks like that's correct, though the Japanese title doesn't indicate that. I would have translated it as "Lover" instead of "Boyfriend" or "Girlfriend", but I can see why they did it. The first book is from her perspective, and the second is from his perspective. I've added transliterations for them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:59, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
Thanks! Ahasuerus (talk) 17:55, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

Conquest Through Determination; I think the Nessie story has wrong title and author. --Username (talk) 13:14, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

Yup, just a couple typos. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:18, 7 May 2023 (EDT)

Thank you for Stanley C. Sargent Work

Hello - I just wanted to thank you for all the work you did tracking down Stanley C. Sargent and Cosmic Visions! It was a sight to behold, and I will connect you with any additional information I'm able to find. --MagusManders (talk) 14:40, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

No problem. And I appreciate your offer. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:50, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

Stanley Sargent Date; I've been adding Mythos Online links to his stories but this one may need an earlier date because, from his bibliography:

  • "Tentaclaws Is Coming (Undrowned)"
    w/accompanying illustration (written & drawn, 12/95)
    Personal: Christmas card (1995)
    Fanzine: "Crypt of Cthulhu" #? (c. 1998)
    Magazine: "The Active Page" magazine, August 2005 issue (ApplePie Press, Vancouver, B.C., Ralph Griffiths, ed.)
    Book: THE TAINT OF LOVECRAFT (Mythos Books, 2002)".

That's why it has a 1995 date on the Mythos Online page, because it was a Christmas card, and I assume the Crypt of Cthulhu appearance either didn't happen or they confused it with the online site. What that Active Page thing is I have no idea. --Username (talk) 12:16, 11 May 2023 (EDT)

I've updated the date to just 1998-00-00 since I can't find verify which Crypt of Cthulhu issue it was in. I left a note on the title page for that poem. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:22, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

Violet LeVoit

For the author credit on page 67 of Walrus Tales, would you mind double checking the space in the last name? I see on the back cover (via Amazon photo) it does not have a space. If it does appear with a space on the title page, then we need an alternate name established to Violet LeVoit. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:37, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

I'll check when I get home. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:50, 15 May 2023 (EDT)
I couldn't find it quickly tonight, but I'll keep looking. I know it's here somewhere. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:13, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
Found it. It looks like there's a space in the TOC (though I'm not sure it's actually a might just be a weird kerning issue), but there definitely isn't on on the story itself. Fixed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:34, 17 May 2023 (EDT)

Federations; I added link; James Thew credited for "backcover art" on copyright page, he's got 2 credits on ISFDB, maybe he should be added to this. --Username (talk) 23:26, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

I'll take a look. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:13, 16 May 2023 (EDT)
Okay, I've updated it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:03, 17 May 2023 (EDT)

WotF Dates; Locus says Sep '92 [Aug '92] in case you want to enter the month. EDIT:; Locus says September. --Username (talk) 10:12, 20 May 2023 (EDT)

I'll check on these. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe

Live Free or Die

Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your verified. Annie (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:38, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

Omni Book of Space; I've been fixing Zebra Books to correct name that includes Kensington, including your PV. --Username (talk) 00:12, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

Okay, I'll check my copy to see if it matches the submitted change. I've placed the submission on hold while I do that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:39, 24 May 2023 (EDT)


Hello Joe,

Can you look at this one and add transliterations where needed (and fix anything I messed up). I was working from Russian and Japanese sources and I think all I got from the Russian side checks out on the Japanese one but as I do not speak or read Japanese, I'd appreciate a second look. Fantlab has scans of the covers and the title page - the back cover has a price but I am not sure if it is for a later printing (as I cannot read this title page) so I left the price empty. Can you fill that in as well if it makes sense? Thanks! Annie (talk) 18:24, 24 May 2023 (EDT)

I think I got everything. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:20, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
So the price on that back cover was valid. Good to know for next time :) Thanks! Annie (talk) 20:28, 25 May 2023 (EDT)
Yeah, the copyright page had only a first printing line, so it's the first printing. There would have been more printing lines if it was a later printing. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:07, 26 May 2023 (EDT)

Portuguese titles capitalisation / rationalisation

Hello, as you indicated that you can work in Portuguese, I'm inviting you to have a look at this discussion on the Rules and standards board. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:00, 31 May 2023 (EDT)

Mr. Diabolo; Rare novel never reprinted in USA but apparently was in Japan,, in case you want to enter that. --Username (talk) 13:36, 1 June 2023 (EDT)

Done. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:01, 1 June 2023 (EDT)

Let My Edits Go

After sitting in my list for months you've looked at some of my old edits and rejected a few of them. I notice you rejected 2 of the Sturgeon title fixes where I removed series that editors over the years randomly included as part of the title, which took me a good amount of time to do, but then you made your own edits doing the same thing you rejected my edits for and including the same cover replacement and link I had included for 1 of them. Then you accepted every other Sturgeon edit I made, all 16 of them. Did you realize you made a mistake with those first 2 and, if so, why didn't you just un-reject them? Now it will look to anyone who comes after that you started off fixing the titles and I came along and did the rest. Also, every Leisure Books book since the mid-80s is by Leisure and Dorchester; it says so on every copyright page, "Published by Dorchester Publishing"; that's how ISFDB differs them from the 70s/early 80s Leisure which were published by Nordon. There are many, many more that say Leisure on ISFDB that need changing to Leisure and Dorchester and I've been trying to do that. I see you rejected 4 of those so far. Please un-reject them. --Username (talk) 18:53, 1 June 2023 (EDT)

The Unreject link wasn't showing up anywhere I looked at the submissions (in the list of recent edits, on the submission itself), so I had to redo them. No one will care who did the edits. Regarding the Leisure Books, we go by what's on the title page, not the copyright page. On all of those, the title page showed only Leisure Books (as I explicitly stated in the rejection). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:57, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
For the Leisure books, you can add a note about them being through Dorchester. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe
I care. Doing this for no pay and having to deal with the other people here is only made palatable by knowing how much I've added and fixed here in such a short amount of time. What you could have done is let me know you couldn't un-reject them and I would have done them again, 2 very simple edits that would have taken just a few seconds. As for the Leisure books, none as far as I'm aware say Dorchester on the title page, only on the copyright page. Dorchester is the publisher, Leisure is the imprint. If you really think your way is correct then hundreds of other books will need changing. I suggest you ask other mods about this before any more are needlessly rejected because I've done many of these before and they've been accepted by several different mods. Also,, I asked PV Ofearna about this a month-and-a-half ago under "MZBF Story" and she responded with her usual strange and unhelpful answer, not really saying whether her copy agrees with what I asked her. Regardless, the title as I changed it to is how it really is in the magazine. EDIT: I picked RTrace from the list of active PV to ask about the note date fix for Doomsman / Telepower because he usually responds to messages and this,, I asked about also although I don't expect a response because the last message by PV on their page was nearly 3 years ago. --Username (talk) 19:11, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
Problem being that you whine and complain anytime you perceive someone "making" you do more (even though everyone here is a volunteer). You whine and complain about almost everything you do here.
Regarding the publisher, current practice is using the publisher as shown on the title page. If that's changed, I'm not aware of it. Perhaps this needs to be discussed on the rules and standards page. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:35, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
I can't imagine why I would complain; everyone here is so polite and mentally stable and things are run so smoothly and professionally, right? You also seem to not be aware of a lot of standard things that even I, a person without any of the credentials most of the editors here proudly display on their pages with endless lists of the number of books they own and how they've been collecting for decades and their resumes and where they went to school and on and on but most of them can barely spell or use proper grammar and enter their info here with endless mistakes that I've had to correct thousands and thousands of times over the last 2 1/2 years, am aware of; I seem to recall other times where you worked on my edits and rejected some of them when they were in fact correct. You admitted the 2 Sturgeon edits you rejected shouldn't have been, you'll soon find out the 4 Leisure edits you rejected shouldn't have been, the story title change was clearly asked about on the mod's page but you apparently couldn't find it, the rejection of the edit changing a clearly wrong date in the notes will be un-rejected as soon as RTrace responds, and the cover change for Rebel Moon you rejected was clearly correct because the price entered and the price on the cover match and it's just a simple case of lazy editors grabbing covers off Amazon without making sure they're the right ones, one of the most common fixes that I've made countless times here, and Dwarzel likely isn't going to respond, anyway, because he hasn't responded to anyone else for years. So that's the problem; not that my edits are being rejected but that all of them were rejected incorrectly. --Username (talk) 20:04, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
That's the thing, though. We have the verification system in place for a reason. Just because you think something is correct doesn't make it actually correct. Thousands of printings of books have been released with the same cover price as previous printings, but they have slightly different covers. So, just because the price matches doesn't mean it's actually the same printing.
That's why you are required to contact the PVs when making a substantial change to a verified publication. You need to learn that, and despite being advised of that policy dozens of times now, you refuse to play by the established rules. Whether it's convenient for you or not is irrelevant. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Whether you are God's gift to ISFDB or not is irrelevant. You must follow the policies here, same as everyone else. If you don't like one of them, start a discussion on the rules and standards discussion page. Rules are not easily changed, but they do change and have changed over the years. Starting that discussion is the only way to do that, however.
We all need to follow the those policies in order to have relatively stable and agreeable interactions with everyone here. The rules/policies give all of us a baseline of what we need to do, and we can't have individual editors haring off on their own and totally (or randomly) ignoring them. That makes it much more difficult for everyone else. If you can't find it in your heart to follow them, then perhaps ISFDB isn't the best place for you to spend your time.
As you've stated, you've made a lot of contributions here. We all appreciate that, and we all understand the amount of work that goes into that to one degree or another. We are all volunteering our time here, and we all understand that anyone who spends their time updating and adding and fixing things here could very well choose to spend their time elsewhere. We get it, even if you don't think we do. We simply need you to stop being a jerk to everyone you interact with here. We all have our bad days, and sometimes we do and say things that we later regret. However, you need to at least try to drop the arrogant attitude you display in almost every interaction here. While we're appreciative of the work you've done, we frankly don't like having you rub it in our faces every other day. That you've contributed several tens of thousands of edits here is irrelevant. We appreciate every editor's contributions, whether they do one or two here and there or whether they've made nearly half a million contributions. Every valid submission is welcome.
So, please drop the infallibility act. Not all of your edits are acceptable. You do make mistakes. You do forget to follow the policies here. And that's okay. But please make an effort to follow them. Will it take an extra minute or two each time? Yes, but it will save all of us a lot of hassle and extra work if you do things correctly the first time. It will make everything run a lot more smoothly in the long run. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:36, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
As per ISFDB:Policy#Appeals_Policy, "Decisions made by moderators can be appealed on ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard." Please post your objections there if you disagree with Nohonjoe's decisions.
Re: the ability to unreject submissions, the "Unreject" link is available on the "Public View" page and on the "Recent Rejections" page. However, the "Unreject" option is not available on the regular Moderator View" page. I'll add it to my list of things to. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:51, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
Done. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:16, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
Re: your sarcastic comment that "everyone here is so polite and mentally stable", it's the second time in the last 4 weeks that you question other editors' mental health. The last time you were warned not to do it and not to engage in personal attacks. Please reconsider this pattern of behavior.
In addition, I note the following comment that you made on the Community Portal two weeks ago:
  • Half the "fun" of editing here, for me, is waiting for a mod to look at my edits and then decide whether to approve them (50,000 and counting, in the top half-dozen all-time for a non-mod/non-self-approver and the only one who still edits regularly except for "Fixer" which is a robot and doesn't really count), especially when they claim something was wrong when it actually wasn't and then think they can argue with me. If I'm lucky sometimes they even apologize when they find out they made a mistake. Doing Reginald seems entirely pointless if there's no approval needed.
This is a very antagonistic approach, which can only lead to conflict. It falls under the prohibition on "non-constructive or disruptive" conduct, which is not allowed as per ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy. Again, please reconsider the approach. Our goal has always been to get new editors up to speed so that they could become at least self-approvers, thus making both them and the moderator crew more productive. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:51, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
None of that PC HR talk changes the fact that all of the edits rejected shouldn't have been; if they weren't rejected none of this would have happened. Earlier today I let the same mod know I had entered a book that had a Japanese edition and they entered it with no problem. What happened between then and now I don't know but if you think I'm going to let anyone disrespect me just because I question their rejection of my edits you're sadly mistaken. And it's Nihonjoe, not Nohonjoe. --Username (talk) 22:03, 1 June 2023 (EDT)
The path of personal attacks and antagonizing other editors that you are following has already resulted in some moderators no longer working on your submissions. It can only lead to escalating penalties as per ISFDB:Policy#Conduct_Policy, ultimately resulting in an indefinite block. Please reconsider. Ahasuerus (talk) 23:23, 1 June 2023 (EDT)

Starfire; It mentions Starfire logo on copyright page and second page says "Other Bantam Starfire Books you will enjoy" so this is a Starfire book but I'm not willing to argue about it. Here's a random Starfire book which mentions logo but not other books,, and yet it's Starfire on ISFDB. So all these rejections are going to screw up standardizing publisher imprints and lead to many books being under the wrong publisher, but that's not my problem. --Username (talk) 16:20, 2 June 2023 (EDT)

That's all true, but standard practice is to use what is on the title page, regardless of anything anywhere else. If all the other books are the same way, then they were entered incorrectly and will need to be corrected. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:55, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
I'm just going to mention that doing so would be a really bad idea, because there are thousands of publishers where imprint/publisher is used even when the publisher isn't on the title page. I don't think you can find a single one of the hundreds of Leisure Books post-1982 that are on ISFDB, and likely none of the non-genre books that aren't on here, that actually say Dorchester on the title page. The nightmare of going through every book on ISFDB that's by Leisure and Dorchester and changing them all to Leisure, having to contact all the PV of which there are very many, some of which have been gone for years, is not worth it. I believe only the 2 60s books and the very early 70s books can legitimately be standalone Leisure books, everything from then to 1981-1982 says published by Nordon and everything after that says published by Dorchester. So what needs to be done is for several people, since this is a pretty big job, to go through "Leisure Books" and change everything from 1982-on to Leisure and Dorchester, being careful with the earliest ones because I'm not sure when the exact switch to Dorchester happened; of the books by Leisure and Dorchester currently only 1 is probably wrong, 1980's Killer Satellites. I don't have any real interest in this stuff like many of you do and likely won't be editing here much longer but I'm telling you that you're going to open a can of worms if you try changing stuff that doesn't need to be changed. --Username (talk) 18:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
That's been the policy for as long as I can remember. If one (or more) is entered differently, it should be a rare exception and clearly documented in the notes as to why it's an exception. If you think the policy is wrong, then a discussion needs to happen on the Rules and Standards discussion page so all the details can be ironed out and everyone can be aware of the change (if any). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:06, 5 June 2023 (EDT)

Kurodahan Asamatsu; After my edit's approved you might want to look at this since PV is gone and there could be some things to add/fix. EDIT: There's 1 other book by him,, that I don't think is on ISFDB. --Username (talk) 11:18, 14 June 2023 (EDT)

It's already here (since 2018), though he only has a short story in it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:20, 3 July 2023 (EDT)

Yu Miri


When you have a chance can you figure out the originals of Yu Miri's books and add the Japanese editions (and probably flip the canonical to her Japanese name). Tokyo Ueno Station is JR上野駅公園口 but I cannot find the "The End of August" original title so figured I will just ask you if you do not mind figuring out both and fixing the whole author. Thanks! Annie (talk) 19:58, 27 June 2023 (EDT)

Done here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:26, 29 June 2023 (EDT)
Thanks! :) Annie (talk) 17:42, 29 June 2023 (EDT)

"Rokusyou Usuasagi" -- one author or two?

Yen On has published this novel, which credits "Rokusyou • Usuasagi" on the cover and "Rokusyou and Usuasagi" on the title/copyright page. I have found and entered the Japanese original, but I am not sure whether "緑青・薄浅黄" is one person or two. Would you happen to have a way of telling what's going on here? TIA! Ahasuerus (talk) 15:53, 2 July 2023 (EDT)

It's two authors. I've cleaned it all up. See here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:20, 3 July 2023 (EDT)
Thanks! Ahasuerus (talk) 15:30, 3 July 2023 (EDT)

Wikipedia-ish question about anonymous edits there

Hi, I think you are or were active on Wikipedia? Can I ask your opinion on something that's somewhat Wikipedia related?

The Worldcon in Memoriam Twitter account has just reported that artist Peter Goodfellow died on 2022-12-11. Whilst I guess that account is somewhat official, and I've never seen it misreport anything before, I can't find any corroboration for that date in Google search results, or even that he's definitely passed away.

The sole exception is that there was a Feb 2023 edit to his Wikipedia page, to say that he died some time in 2022. The edit is just attributed to an IP address, which I assume is an unlogged in user. That IP doesn't seem to be associated with any other edits.

How trustworthy are such edits, in your opinion. For something as potentially sensitive as deaths, I personally am reluctant to make an edit without a couple of moderately independent and trustworthy sources. Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 12:56, 8 July 2023 (EDT)

Never mind, just tried a different search term, and found a death notice. Although it has a middle name not in the DB here or Wikipedia, and says nothing about him being an artist, the location matches where the Wikipedia page said he lived. Sorry for blathering on before thoroughly checking stuff :-( ErsatzCulture (talk) 13:03, 8 July 2023 (EDT)
Good find! Generally speaking, anonymous edits are just as acceptable on Wikipedia as logged-in edits, as long as a reliable source is used. That twitter account is likely more reliable than some others. Let me know if you have any other questions. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:05, 10 July 2023 (EDT)

Yumi and the Nightmare Painter ebook public release

You've PVed the Kickstarter epub here. Amazon UK and Kobo (GB) have ebooks with today's date. (If those links don't work on your side of the Atlantic, I imagine there are similar ebooks on the respective US sites.)

Based on the content visible in the previews for those ebooks, they seem to be identical to what you've documented in your PV. As such, I'm inclined to add the ASIN to that record, and note the later pub date for those site, and the fake Kobo ISBN of 1230006019518, as opposed to adding a second ebook record. Does that seem reasonable to you?

I just checked back to the previous secret project ebook, which I had a recollection of submitting. It seems there was only an entry for the PDF ebook, which similarly was 10 days earlier than the "public" release. Does that maybe merit similar changes if there was a Kickstarter version of that format? Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 09:24, 11 July 2023 (EDT)

I only have the Kickstarter versions, so I couldn't offer any insigt as to whether the UK releases are the same or different. If you don't have them, I'd suggest creating separate publications for the UK/Kobo releases. If they turn out to be identical, we can always combine them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:21, 11 July 2023 (EDT)
Sorry, I only just realized after looking at my local TODO list that I never responded to your response. FWIW, these ebooks are published by Dragonsteel Enterprises, and I'm 99.99% certain they are identical between the UK and US - the ASIN is the same, so it would be weird if they aren't. (The physical general market releases are from Tor (US) and Gollancz (UK), but IIRC they are a few weeks from release, at least the UK one is.) The page is here, could you possibly take a quick look at the preview and see if it matches your copy? Annoyingly the preview doesn't include the copyright page, which might settle the matter unambiguously. Thanks ErsatzCulture (talk) 17:48, 13 July 2023 (EDT)
I spoke with the lead editor at Dragonsteel, and he said the releases are pretty much identical (some minor errors were fixed and some ads were added at the end). So yes, merge the Dragonsteel releases from the Amazons into the Kickstarter epub release (not the PDF release, as that one has page numbers and the epub does not). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:23, 14 July 2023 (EDT)
Much appreciate you going the extra mile on this one. I'll sort it all out tonight, if only because I want the ASIN in the database before Saturday's download, and I can sync my local data against it. Thanks again. ErsatzCulture (talk) 13:48, 14 July 2023 (EDT)
No problem. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:40, 14 July 2023 (EDT)
I guess you'll have received a PV notification, but I've just updated it. Added extra para for with the Amazon etc details, plus ASIN and BN IDs. Hopefully that's the end of it... at least until the next secret project comes out ;-) ErsatzCulture (talk) 17:57, 14 July 2023 (EDT)

Guy Anthony ?; All other works by DeMarco are as by De Marco; is this one really DeMarco or should it have a space? --Username (talk) 13:24, 25 July 2023 (EDT)

No idea. I don't have a copy of that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:38, 25 July 2023 (EDT)
I take that back. The editor sent me a pic of the table of contents, where the name is "DeMarco", with no space. I've varianted it now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:51, 25 July 2023 (EDT)

Tiny Dragons

Just heads up on an author disambiguation involving your verified: here. Annie (talk) 17:39, 31 July 2023 (EDT)

Looks good. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:08, 4 August 2023 (EDT)

Mothra; I'd been adding links and stuff to Rosalind Ashe novels when I came across that sale; beautiful cover that's not on any editions on ISFDB, so if you can find out more you may want to enter that edition. --Username (talk) 17:59, 3 August 2023 (EDT)

Done here, and another one here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:07, 4 August 2023 (EDT)

Goodnight, Mr. James

Your verified Robots Through the Ages, has Goodnight, Mr. James as a short story. There is a more widely appearing Good Night, Mr. James as a novelette. Would you mind double checking the length of your version and, as appropriate, either update the length & variant or add a note indicating this is a truncated version? If you need to compare the text, the original magazine version is here. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:29, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

I'll check. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:27, 17 August 2023 (EDT)
I did a full word count from the archived copy and got 7490. I did an estimated word count on the version in Robots Through the Ages and got 7412. I've updated the length to "short story" per that, and varianted the Robots Through the Ages title to the existing title. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:42, 23 August 2023 (EDT)

Genius Loci; Page count, both Roman and regular, are off, and "editor's note" is really foreword. I didn't check page numbers or story titles or anything like that. Also, the reprint years later with a different cover is 350 pages shorter on here; that can't be right. --Username (talk) 13:08, 13 August 2023 (EDT)

I'll have to check my copy. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:25, 17 August 2023 (EDT)
Okay, these are all fixed. I updated the version I have, and split off the newer anthology of the same name as it only has 15 stories in it (despite the Amazon description). ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:02, 23 August 2023 (EDT)

Shigeru Kayama

Hello Joe,

Would you mind getting this author sorted out? I found this. Thanks! Annie (talk) 19:57, 18 August 2023 (EDT)

All done here. I'm working on adding more of his works as there aren't very many included here yet. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:06, 21 August 2023 (EDT)
Thanks! :) Annie (talk) 18:10, 21 August 2023 (EDT)


Hi, re your PV'd pub here. Would you mind sorting out the typo in the canonical for "City of Adopest (map)"? Titles affected are here. (Btw, I've submitted correction to one of the page counts) Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 21:40, 28 August 2023 (EDT)

It looks like that misspelling is from this publication, for which there are no PVs. Based on that, I assume it's a typo and have corrected it accordingly. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:45, 29 August 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for sorting that, and I've submitted a merge for the two "City of Adopest and Surroundings (map)" titles. Kev.--BanjoKev (talk) 19:02, 29 August 2023 (EDT)

Green Man; All other books by the publisher are PB, that's why I changed it. A low-rent publisher like this wouldn't publish a TP, especially not in the 1940's. Also, one PV was transient and the other one had not left a message on their board since October of 2021 and just happened to start leaving messages again exactly 1 day before I made my edit. Here's a sale which calls it a paperback, digest size: --Username (talk) 18:30, 29 August 2023 (EDT)

All you wrote was "fixed format". That is neither clear nor helpful as we can't read your mind. As you've been asked many, many times before, you need to include all of this information with your submission. I've approved it now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:41, 29 August 2023 (EDT)
Why would I need to include anything? Click on the publisher and you can see for yourself. Is that so hard to do? Do I really need to tell you to do that? Do you think I just changed it because I felt like it? Has my edit really been sitting around for months because none of you mods can click a link? Did none of you notice that one of the PV was transient and wouldn't have the book anymore and the other one hadn't responded to anything in a couple of years and just happened to come back exactly at the same time I made my edit? Am I psychic and should have known that would happen and left them a message telling them I changed the format even though they should have known what the format really was because the other 2 books by the publisher that are PV were done before this guy's PV and they both entered it correctly as a PB paperback? I'm in the business (among many other things) of fixing the countless mistakes that were made here in the nearly 15 years that public editing was going on before I started; mistakes that apparently no one noticed or cared enough to fix because most of you abandoned print books long ago and just enter e-books now. So I'm doing my best to fix (and add) as much as I can until I decide to stop doing this; try being grateful instead of complaining about something as utterly trivial as this. --Username (talk) 22:05, 29 August 2023 (EDT)
If you had included a simple "All other books by the publisher are PB, so it's unlikely this one was TP", that would have worked. Work with us, and we'll work with you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:45, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
Are you purposely trying to annoy me? I'll say this again, this publisher only has 5 books on ISFDB, all others are PB, PV of this one made a very common mistake and entered TP for PB, I've corrected countless numbers of those, many of which you approved, I'm sure, or sometimes PB is wrongly entered instead of TP. There's an enormous amount of fixes needed for the print books on this site, many of which were entered incompletely and then never followed up on by anyone, others that were entered with wrong info that a mod approved without double-checking the info to make sure it was right, and I've tried my best to correct what I can, although I'm sure even after more than 2 1/2 years of doing this nearly every day I still have only corrected less than 1% of the mistakes here. I'm not here to hold your hands and walk you through every step, especially since most of you have been here far longer than me, most of the other people here don't answer anything I ask on the message boards or when they do they answer with sarcasm or weird non-answers or the usual stuff about being sick/moving/unpacking/I don't care about this site anymore because I'm mad at someone else on the site, or they answer with anger at daring to suggest they made a mistake about something; I see hundreds of messages on Community Portal right now with no name except my own. I still can't believe some of the recent edits that have been sitting in my list that took forever for someone to finally approve for the most ridiculous of reasons, from adding Roman numerals to page counts (which many PV forget to enter or didn't know they were supposed to enter) or this one which was patently obvious or the Ramsey Campbell one adding a cover to a PB that sat there for months for some unknown reason. The ingratitude here is really something else; all the work I've done to correct the mistakes you and everyone else made before I got here, not to mention all the additions I've made, and all you can do is complain about something that would have been taken care of in a couple of seconds by clicking a link that's right there on the edit page. Or, now that I think of it, when the first mod who looked at this one long ago, probably RTrace, didn't feel like clicking the link he could have left a message saying "I'm not sure about this one" and then I would have responded with some version of what I wrote above about the publisher and the edit would have been approved shortly afterwards. You know what? I had already made up my mind before your rejections that tomorrow was going to be my last day for a while, I plan on not doing this in September and then coming back in October for the Halloween season to add as many horror-related edits as I can, and after that, who knows? This is all so pointless, anyway, because the site has largely shifted to e-books and awards and Amazon links that bring in cash for clicks; most of my nearly 60,000 edits have probably never been looked at by anyone after they were approved and probably never will be. --Username (talk) 17:09, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
Okay. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:19, 1 September 2023 (EDT)

...Sunset; Because there's archived links to 2 editions and another is on Amazon (there's a $300 edition but nobody's going to have that). I don't believe I would have changed the title unless it was wrong in the books themselves. --Username (talk) 18:34, 29 August 2023 (EDT)

Where are the archived links? You didn't include them in your submission, and you didn't include them here? Please provide them so we can verify the information. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:47, 29 August 2023 (EDT)
The archived links are in the editions' records, both added by me earlier this year. They say "" on the page; that means there's an archived link to the book. Click on them and you'll see, like I did but not anyone else, apparently, that one of the titles was entered wrong here and so I fixed it. EDIT: [1]; There's the title page where the story first appeared which also says "On Sunset" regardless of what the careless publication history in Power's collection says which is probably where the incorrect "At Sunset" was taken from. --Username (talk) 22:07, 29 August 2023 (EDT)
Then contact the PV and ask them to check their copy of the book and update the entry. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:53, 30 August 2023 (EDT)