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PLEASE NOTE:

If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a missing COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click HERE and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Ron (Rtrace)

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Cover Image Licenses

When using the "Upload new cover scan" option from a publication page, the software will automatically add a licensing template pre-populated with the publication information. In this case, you do not need to select a license under the "Licensing" pull down on the upload page (as it creates adds a second, incomplete template that needs to be cleaned up). The "Licensing" pull down only needs to be used when using the upload option from the wiki directly. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:42, 1 January 2024 (EST)

Thanks. Good to know. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:49, 1 January 2024 (EST)

Starman Jones audio reading

Hi, Ron! Just wondering: the noted narrator and the one stated on the cover image do differ. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 13:16, 1 January 2024 (EST)

You are correct. But is appears that the cover has the incorrect narrator. Audible credits Paul Michael Garcia in their current listing and I re-listened to the credits in the audio book which which also credit Garcia. I had already checked that the current cover on the Audible site (the same as linked in the publication record), matches the one I downloaded when I purchased this book in 2011. The images are identical and both credit Powers, apparently incorrectly, as you noticed. I'll add a note that pictured credit is incorrect. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:30, 1 January 2024 (EST)

Kioga Titles

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=kioga%3A&type=All+Titles; Should those all say "informal"? --Username (talk) 11:54, 2 January 2024 (EST)

Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:58, 2 January 2024 (EST)

Amazing Stories, October 1960

Regarding Amazing Stories, October 1960: Would you mind checking the artwork on page 83? It is listed as "The Missionary [2]" by Bernklau, but Bernklau did the "Seeing Eye" artwork right before and Emsh did the "The Missionary" artwork after it. Should this be "Seeing Eye [2]"? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:40, 6 January 2024 (EST)

I agree and have made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:07, 6 January 2024 (EST)
OK by me.--swfritter (talk) 18:52, 6 January 2024 (EST)

HIstórias Extraordinárias N.7

Hello Rtrace, thanks for reviewing and approving my submission 5838401. I must have missed some information in it because it is not appearing as part of the series in the magazine series page in the 2023 December slot. Could you please fix it or tell me where I should insert the pertinent information so it can appear there?

Thanks! Pugno (talk) 13:00, 9 January 2024 (EST)

Hi Pugno
Magazines are just a little bit tricky and involve at least one edit beyond the initial one to get everything correct. One thing that you missed in adding this record was to add the series name, "Histórias Extraordinárias", in the Title Data section of the New Magazine screen. Had you done this, your new record would have appeared in the Issue Grid. However, even had you don that, there still would be an addition step to do. We can take care of the series name at the same time that we do this second step. You may have noticed that Magazine and Fanzine records have a special Title record of type EDITOR. Also that title record contains all the publications (issues) for a given calendar year that have the same editors. For example, the title record for 2023 for Histórias Extraordinárias is here. You'll notice that the title is different that that of the individual issues ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023") and that the date is for the year only i.e. no month or day. For the first issue that is added for a given year, the EDITOR title record has to be edited to change those fields. In this case, since the 2023 title already exists, all we need to do is to merge your newly created EDITOR title (here with the existing 2023 title. The best way to do that is to go to any of the three editor's pages and select "Show All Titles". Then find the two titles in question ("Histórias Extraordinárias - 2023" and "Histórias Extraordinárias, Dezembro 2023"). Select the check boxes next to these and click the "Merge Selected Records" button. This will take you to an intermediate page to resolve the conflicts between the two records. Select the title with the dash and the year, the series name and the date without the month and click "Complete Merge". Once that edit is approved, things will appear as they should. Please go ahead and give it a try if you feel comfortable with the instructions. If not, feel free to ask questions or if you'd like me to take care of the merge for you. I'm happy to do so, but wanted to give you the change to learn how to do this. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:38, 9 January 2024 (EST)
Hi Rtrace
I am not sure I understood it all :) So what I did was to submit a change (#5856081) and I kindly ask you to please adjust it accordingly so it can appear correctly in the series page. I tried to follow your instructions and use the "Show All Titles" that you mentioned but alas, couldn't find it. I am sorry.
In the meantime, for the same magazine, I will also submit a number of changes to create variants of interiorarts, since they are the same art appearing in different spots, just zoomed in. Thanks! Pugno (talk) 22:55, 10 January 2024 (EST)
I'll go ahead and do the merge. For the next time you need it, the "Show All Titles" link in on the author bibliography page e.g. Mario Cavalcanti. In the left menu, under "Editing Tools", it's the 4th item down (or the second from the bottom, I've got the Moderator link first, which I'm not sure you can see, so your count may differ). In any case, thanks for your contributions on these. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:41, 11 January 2024 (EST)
Rtrace, thank you very much for your help. I hadn't realized that the "Show all Titles" link could be accessed via the author bibliography page. Now it is clear! Now I submitted two variant adjustements, #5856083 and #5856084 to correctly set two interior arts. Could you please see to it? Once it is done, I will clone the magazine to create its ebook version. Once again, thanks a lot!! Pugno (talk) 21:35, 11 January 2024 (EST)
Both approved. You can proceed with cloning. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:38, 11 January 2024 (EST)
Thanks Rtrace! I just cloned it. Submission #5857813 - hope it is all OK. Thanks again! Pugno (talk) 17:20, 12 January 2024 (EST)

The Fourth Invasion by Alvim Correa

I saw that you registered Black Infinity, Fall 2018 and have two INTERIORART attributed to Alvim Corrrea, wouldn't it be a case of turning it into a variant of La guerre des mondes? Hyju (talk) 08:57, 15 January 2024 (EST)

I wouldn't think so. Those are two individual illustrations. Whereas, La guerre des mondes is the full set of illustrations for a book. We don't generally make variant titles for only part of the whole (excepting serials). --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:44, 15 January 2024 (EST)

Exhalation

In Your pv pub CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention there is an interiorart Exhalation (cover) as a variant of "Exhalation" cover. In the ISFDB there are three cover titles Exhalation: here, here and here. Can You please have a look which one is the right one or is there another fittig title? Thank You. --Zapp (talk) 18:16, 15 January 2024 (EST)

It's the Shutterstock cover. I'm guessing that we hadn't identified the "artist" it at the time I entered the ConZealand book, or I would have linked it then. I'm not thrilled with identifying Shutterstock as an artist. My impression is that they are more of a licensing company than a creator of artwork, but I'll defer to the verifier of publication. All linked now. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:54, 15 January 2024 (EST)

Robert Anton Wilson / Schrödinger's Cat - Glossary

Posted on the Talk pages of Rtrace, Marc Kupper, Spacecow
All of the publications: The Universe Next Door and The Trick Top Hat and The Homing Pigeons and Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy have a glossary at the back. I have all four of these pubs and have compared the glossaries and they are all the same. There is an existing ISFDb record for the glossary and it is present in the omnibus (all five print versions) but none of the individual volumes. Hence I propose to import it into each of these three pubs. As a consequence, I will also change the disambiguation from the omnibus name to the series name, ie from "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy)" to "Glossary (Schrödinger's Cat)". Is all this ok with you? Teallach (talk) 18:38, 18 January 2024 (EST)

I've no objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:19, 18 January 2024 (EST)

K. J. Parker's Relics/Under My Skin

You've PVed the 2023 Under My Skin collection. One of the Hugo novella nominees seems to be the story Relics, which seems like it was first published in Chinese translation in 2022. Can you have a look at the copyright page (which isn't part of Amazon's preview of the ebook) to see if that's correct? Thanks!

BTW, I'm not rushing to do the Hugos, given the errors in the nom report e.g. at least two duplicated nominees... ErsatzCulture (talk) 14:28, 20 January 2024 (EST)

The Parker story gives a 2023 copyright and states "First appeared in this volume". That would appear to ignore the translation. I am adding nomination data for the Hugos, though the Chinese titles are giving me trouble. Please feel free to correct any errors that you see that I've made. The duplicate nominees were called out in one of the blogs, which I'm keeping an eye on. There's definitely several odd things about the nomination statistics. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:43, 20 January 2024 (EST)
This is Fungi Song according to CSFDB. ErsatzCulture (talk) 19:03, 20 January 2024 (EST)
Hi, I'm just slowly going over the Chinese entries. I've added a title record for this "stub" award entry, but I'm perplexed how to get it to show the author name in the award record. Any ideas?
Thanks! ErsatzCulture (talk) 12:35, 21 January 2024 (EST)
I took care of it. The author needs to be listed in the "untitled" award record before it is linked. I unlinked them, added the author and then re-linked them. The title and author fields are not editable in an award that has been linked to a title record.
For the other two above, were you going to add the original Chinese publications? In both cases, the nomination was for the Chinese version of the story as opposed to English original/translation. I can help link them if you'd like, or you can proceed, but to avoid the above problem, the author's name should be added to the award record prior to linking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:13, 21 January 2024 (EST)
Yeah, I'll do those short fiction records when I get to them - I'm planning on cleaning up one category a day.
Did you get very far on researching 余光 aka Residual Light (#13 in the Best Novel noms)? I noticed you hadn't done that one. Arthur Liu (CSFDB head honcho) mentioned that they couldn't track it down, even though it looked like it was a Chinese story. I've now found a very weird 2023 English language pub that looks to be (machine?) translated from another language, I'm wondering if that's it? ErsatzCulture (talk) 14:55, 21 January 2024 (EST)
I didn't really go much past checking Worldcat, amazon.cn, and google. I'm interpreting whichever language is listed first as the one that was nominated in cases of translated works. Since authors are not listed, I've omitted them if I wasn't able to find the nominee, which was the case with this one. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:49, 21 January 2024 (EST)
Cheers; with the help of someone in (I think) Indonesia, we managed to identify what exactly Residual Light is, and I've added a proper title record and updated the award record, so I think this one is as good as it's going to get. Apparently one of the Best Series nominees is related to it, but I've not looked into it as yet.
Will try to start on some of the other categories tomorrow - not had chance today. ErsatzCulture (talk) 15:26, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Robert A. Heinlein / Stranger in a Strange Land

I am editing and PVing Stranger in a Strange Land and have added notes and also deleted OCLC/Worldcat: 220513743 because it refers to a different edition (1977, 21cm (ie hc) and different ISBNs). My submission is here. I cannot find a record on OCLC/Worldcat for this specific printing but this pub record has been SVd to OCLC/Worldcat by Bluesman who is no longer active. Is it possible to get SVs by inactive verifiers removed? Teallach (talk) 18:27, 20 January 2024 (EST)

I've approved your edit and removed the Worldcat verification. Any moderator can remove a secondary verification, but since that feature was added, I'm the only one to use it. I only do so when the verifier is inactive. In any case, thanks for your edit. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:32, 20 January 2024 (EST)

Girl in a Swing

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?11141; 1980 UK HC on Archive.org says, on back flap, that Reginald George Haggar, who has his own Wikipedia page, did the cover art; edition you PV says Karen Murray. --Username (talk) 16:27, 22 January 2024 (EST)

Murray is credited on the back cover. If you look closely at the two covers, they are subtly different. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:00, 22 January 2024 (EST)
SFE also says Murray for the HC so maybe that's why someone entered it. I made 2 edits, one adding archived link and note about last unnumbered page and the other unmerging cover art. --Username (talk) 19:25, 22 January 2024 (EST)

SF Writer's Workshop

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?102360; You entered price for Owlswick TP, as can be seen on back cover of archived copy, https://archive.org/search?query=longyear+workshop, the price is much lower, I'm letting you know in case something needs fixing. --Username (talk) 23:56, 23 January 2024 (EST)

It would appear that Chalker/Owings got the price wrong. Please go ahead and update it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:00, 24 January 2024 (EST)

First Men in the Moon

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5859839; I didn't actually erase anything at the time I made my edit, it's just that it took so long to be approved that the UK guy with the slang, who made an edit at almost exactly the same time as I did, has an edit queue much shorter than mine (as does pretty much everyone else) so it got approved first, which can easily be seen by going to edit history, so our edits conflicted. So I'm going to make another edit just adding archived link which he didn't do. --Username (talk) 09:45, 29 January 2024 (EST)

Odd that I didn't get the warning that the record was updated since the edit was submitted. You should probably refrain from adding archive.org links pending the results of this discussion. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:49, 29 January 2024 (EST)
You should read the message from long-time mod Marty just above yours in that discussion where he says it is not ISFDB's place to decide what's legal or not, we just make links and if the host of the link gets a request to take certain works down for whatever reason then we can just remove the link, which is exactly what I said earlier in that thread. I made a simple message about Moondust a few days ago and it's somehow gotten blown completely out of proportion; if anyone had a problem with ISFDB hosting links they would have told you so long ago. Just let it go and move on. --Username (talk) 09:57, 29 January 2024 (EST)
Of course I read it. However, a single post in a discussion does not signify that the community has reached consensus on the issue. Unless there is consensus on the issue or consensus that we should keep adding such links while discussing (the question I raised), I will not be approving any edits adding the potentially problematic links. I would expect that the other moderators would behave in the same manner. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:03, 29 January 2024 (EST)
There is rarely any consensus reached on anything discussed here; things usually just peter out without anything being decided. I know one thing, deciding to remove thousands of Internet Archive links, very many of which were added by me and were used by me and others as research tools to add/correct info here, because someone is paranoid that the internet police are going to come after this site after not doing so for the nearly 20 years it's been open to public editing, is the last option anyone should consider. We don't host, we post. My suggestion would be to just add a line or two to the legalese saying that links are only to be used for private use (i.e. reading the book) or research/study (that's what we do here) and, boom, issue solved. --Username (talk) 10:12, 29 January 2024 (EST)
It would make fare more sense to raise your points on the Rules and Standards discussion rather than here. I see you've made other points, but not these. Regardless, this question isn't going to be resolved on my talk page. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:34, 29 January 2024 (EST)

Proposed change to title novel to shortfiction

Hi Ron. Faustus is looking to change[1] a novel to shortfiction in a 1928 magazine due to it's low page count, your the only PV.Kraang (talk) 23:38, 30 January 2024 (EST)

That's fine. I checked Miller/Contento and they have it as a novelette. It appears that Mhhutchins made the variant. Perhaps he misread "nv" as novel, assuming Miller/Contento was his source. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:05, 31 January 2024 (EST)
Thanks, I'll make the changes.Kraang (talk) 12:36, 31 January 2024 (EST)

once more with footnotes

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?71155; Page count is 282. Edit PENDING. --Username (talk) 19:18, 6 February 2024 (EST)

Spock Storybook

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?32222; While working on a ton of novelizations lately I came back across this one where my name is in the edit list followed by you adding a note about missing paper edition but this, https://www.amazon.co.uk/Storybook-Paramount-Pictures-Corporation-Paperback/dp/B00OQTMGQC, seems to be it. Also, a book club edition as seen on back cover, https://www.amazon.com/Star-Trek-III-Search-Spock/dp/0671476629. I just made an edit adding an Amazon cover with another photo on the page showing back cover with correct ISBN and price; archived copy's cover was way too dark. --Username (talk) 11:58, 10 February 2024 (EST)

Thanks for that. I've cloned the record for the paperback and moved the Reginald verification over. I'll leave it to you to enter the book club edition if you'd like. I'm not sure where to research which book club published it though SFBC seems likely. I'm also skeptical of the date for the BCE, though it may have been later in 1984. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:52, 10 February 2024 (EST)

Deryni Magic

Hello,

As you are the PV of both works, can you look at this submission and this submission. I do not have them on hold in case you want to handle them - if we go to Community, I will put them on hold pending the decision. We often create special series for the non-fiction in big series and Deryni Magic looks exactly like that so it makes sense to keep them separate... but they also can go up in the parent series. If you rather start a discussion on Community, I can do that as but as you are the sole verifier on one of these books, I am starting here. Thanks! Annie (talk) 13:30, 13 February 2024 (EST)

Hi Annie
In general, I don't like the way Kurtz's Deryni books have been put into series. I'm rarely a fan of the XXX Universe super-series which doesn't make sense in this instance, especially as the works contained in it are nearly all Kurtz's own short fiction. We have fan-fiction or sequels by other hands in a sub-series named "Deryni" and they are all authorized from an anthology edited by Kurtz. Lastly, I'd take King Kelson's Bride out of "The Histories of King Kelson" sub-series. My copy is certainly not marketed as part of that trilogy. If it were entirely up to me I'd keep the 4 trilogies as a sub-series of a single super-series of the Deryni series which would contain all of the other works. But that's not exactly what you asked. I don't really see a need to group Deryni Magic with Codex Derynianus. I'm not even sure that the latter is properly non-fiction. It's one of those in-universe encyclopedias i.e. as if written by a fictional person from the setting. I see that Ahasuerus added the Deryni Magic series to Codex Derynianus. The edit history for Deryni Magic is less complete, but there was a title merge by Ahasuerus on the same day as the series edition to the other title. We may want to seek his input as to why these two were grouped by that series title. I'll leave a note on his talk page. If they must be grouped, I would prefer a name like "Deryni Non-Fiction", but my preference would be to not group them. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:12, 13 February 2024 (EST)
Thanks for the answer - and that is why I started here. I am fine with either way - and I agree that the current series name makes little sense. Do you want to put the two submissions on hold until this is sorted out? (Or I can if you prefer - I just do not want someone to spend time digging through things and miss the conversations). Annie (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2024 (EST)
I've held them. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:33, 13 February 2024 (EST)
I am looking at the Title History page for Deryni Magic and, surprisingly enough, I have a vague recollection of what may have happened to it back in 2006. I think I remember changing something in a robot-created Deryni record -- probably the title type which early ISFDB robots tended to set to NOVEL -- and then merging the result with a pre-existing title. Of course, it's been 17+ years, so I can't be sure, but it feels right. I also see that Bill Longley did another title merge that affected this title in 2009, but I don't know what that was about.
Substantively, I have no objection to changing the series structure/name. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:49, 13 February 2024 (EST)
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