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L. Sprague de Camp's "Judgement Day"

Another double check before creating a variant: L. Sprague de Camp's Judgement Day (British spelling) is only showing up in The Best of L. Sprague de Camp which you verified. All other occurrences of this story (including those in two other verified versions of the same publication) are listed as Judgment Day (American spelling). --JLaTondre 13:28, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

It should have been "Judgment Day". I've merged the records. Thanks for catching that. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:37, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Publisher's Note in The Tolkien Reader

Do you have an opinion about this versus this from The Tolkien Reader? In my copy, the page is set up with THE TOLKIEN READER above a graphic delimiter, below which is "Publisher's Note". I'm inclined to consider the text above the line essentially an inner title, not part of the title of the note. But I don't have strong feelings, so I will defer to your preference. Thanks. --MartyD 16:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

My copy, of course, is exactly the same as you describe, and I also would lean towards the title being "Publisher's Note (The Tolkien Reader)", and I also don't feel especially strongly about it. Unless someone else dissents, I'd say go ahead and merge to the title we both lean towards. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:42, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Done. Thanks. --MartyD 11:57, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Zacherley's Midnight Snacks

Can you double-check how "Carillon of Skulls" is credited in this book? A later Ballantine printing of the book is verified with the story credited to simply "Philip James" as it was in the original publication in Unknown. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:56, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is only credited to Philip James. I've merged the two titles. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:26, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

The Birds of the Moon

Hi Ron, can you check this story in The Best of Michael Moorcock? I suspect it's the same as this. If so, it should begin with a quote from James Audubon (The Birds of the Moon, New Orleans, 1926), the story starting with Chapter one: Avoiding Diversions - Tommy Beck pulled the Tranny over to the side of the road ... If they're the same, yours should be a variant of the story from Fabulous Harbours. Thanks, Willem H. 11:04, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

They do appear to be identical. However, the acknowledgment page and the note before the story seem to indicate that it was first published as a chapbook under the same title as my collection. From the note:

The issue in question was due for publication on 23rd June, 1995, two days after the Summer Solstice which, for a quarter of a century, had loomed large over Glastonbury and its folklore.

Having missed this window, the story was to have awaited publication as the epilogue to Fabulous Harbours later in 1995. So, upon its non-appearance in New Statesman & Society, I wasted no time in asking if I could publish the story first in its own one-off edition. Not long after that—and not that long after the event it was written to commemorate—it was finally published by Jayde Design in July 1995.

I'll go ahead and add a record for the chapeterbook. Since it first appeared as a standalone story, do you agree that the epilogue should be the variant? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:06, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
The chapterbook was new to me (is not mentioned in Fabulous Harbours). Since that's the first publication, I agree that mine is the variant. I submitted the change. Thanks, Willem H. 10:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

The Skrayling Tree: The Albino in America

I added some notes to this verified pub to match my copy. Thanks, Willem H. 12:05, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

Time to Come (August Derleth)

Hi Ron,

Bill referred me to you since he thought you owned a copy of this book. This is regarding the author(s) Arthur J. Cox and Arthur Jean Cox. Perhaps they're only 1 author and a pseudonym relationship needs to be set up (Bill's good idea). Anyway here's what I emailed Bill:

My local library has a first edition of "Time to Come: Science-Fiction of Tomorrow" (1954) edited by August Derleth which I just finished reading. On page 87 is a story called "The Blight." According to the bio. of the author on page 88 the author's name is Arthur Jean Cox (and it says that he was born in 1929--a date which incidentally is missing from isfdb). In isfdb there are two entries for an Arthur Cox. One is "Arthur J. Cox" and the other is "Arthur Jean Cox." Could they be the same person? Even if they aren't, this story is listed under Arthur J. Cox in isdfb when it clearly should be listed under Arthur Jean Cox (thank goodness the book gives his full middle name).

Here's the link to the book in isfdb:



--Rob Crausaz 23:17, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Rob, and welcome.
I only have this paperback reprint of the Derleth anthology and it has the same biographical information giving the author's name as "Arthur Jean Cox" and the 1929 birth year. However, it also lists the author as "Arthur J. Cox" on the title page of the story. We generally use the title and author as listed on the title page and make it a variant of the author's canonical name in isfdb. So in this case I think the story is properly listed (at least as it appears in my copy). If you still have the first edition, I'd suggest that you double check the title page before we make a variant record. If that is necessary, I can help walk you through it.
The second question is whether the authors Arthur J. Cox and Arthur Jean Cox are the same person. It seems to me that the almost certainly are. I would suggest that "Arthur J. Cox" be used for the canonical name, since most of the fiction seems to be written under that name. Assuming that you agree, our next step would be to make "Arthur Jean Cox" a pseudonym of "Arthur J. Cox". We can also reflect the full name and the birth year in the author data. We should also make the existing pseudonyms of "Arthur Jean Cox" pseudonyms of "Arthur J. Cox".
Lastly we would need to make each of the "Arthur Jean Cox" titles variant titles (and change the variant relationship of the existing variants under other pseudonyms).
Let me know if you're up to trying any of these edits and I'll try to walk you through them. If not, I'd be happy to make the edits myself.
--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:56, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ron, Thanks for the welcome! I'm delighted to be here. Yes, I do still have the first edition and the title page clearly has "Arthur J. Cox" printed on it. I totally agree that Arthur J. Cox should be the canonical name and that would be great to insert the full name and birth year into the data. If you could do the edits (which sound rather involved) this time I would greatly appreciate it as I'm still exploring this part (i.e. the community portal)of the site. I do have another couple of corrections, however, which I'll write about soon. Rob --Rob Crausaz 23:46, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Done. Take a look and see if it looks OK to you. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
   Awesome job, Ron!  It looks great.  Thanks so much for correcting it. Isfdb is such an amazing database, isn't it?     What a resource for science fiction fans!

Rob --Rob Crausaz 23:33, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

 Mmmm, I have no idea why saving the page after the edit resulted in the above.  Anyway, the complete last sentence is: What a resource fo science fiction fans!

Rob --Rob Crausaz 23:37, 6 January 2010 (UTC) One last time-- "What a resource fo science fiction fans!" Any ideas why this is happening? Rob --Rob Crausaz 23:39, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

No worries, I can scroll to see what is on the right.
The reason that the wiki formatted your text that way is because each line of text started with a space. My understanding is that this causes the wiki to ignore its own formatting and print the text as-is, though it does add the grey background.
What you probably wanted to do, is to us a colon ":" at the start of each paragraph. This will cause your text to indent. Each additional ":" causes the text to indent further. So, for example, I began each paragraph of this post with "::". It's common practice to add one level of indent for each response until it gets too far in, at which point someone will move the text back to margin with a note like "(unindent)". You'll soon get the hang of it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:01, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Ron! I'd noticed that subsequent writers in a post would indent (or unindent, as you said) and thought that adding spaces at the beginning of each line would create the desired effect. When that didn't work and I looked back at the "Editing User Talk" page I began to suspect that colons would create indentations. Thanks for confirming my theory :-)


--Rob Crausaz 02:49, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Replacing interior art title in "The Tolkien Reader"

Your pub of "The Tolkien Reader" has an interior art title for "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil and Other Verses from the Red Book". When I am finished with my other omnibus-cleanup work, I would like to replace this by a generic interior art title for "The Tolkien Reader" (this one), to align your pub with Marty's and the other non-verified "Tolkien Reader" pubs. The reasoning behind a generic interior art title is Marty's explanation (on his talk page):

Interiorart: The only credit in the entire book is Cover and illustrations by Pauline Baynes on the copyright page. No Diana. Illustrations are scattered throughout, and there are many in "Farmer Giles of Ham".

Is this ok for you, or do you have a different suggestion? Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 09:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the reason I entered it the way I did was because the title page of "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil and Other Verses from the Red Book" specifically credits the artwork: "with illustrations by Pauline Baynes". Aside a repeated title page motif, the only other illustrations are in the "Farmer Giles of Ham" section and they are not credited. If we can determine that they are the same illustrations as other publications of "Farmer Giles", which I think likely (The first is of a man with a pitchfork in his right hand and a shovel in his left), I would just as soon add this title to The Tolkien Reader and add a note on how the illustrator was determined. I think that way we would see that the Tom Bombadil art is shared by The Tolkien Reader and the Giles/Bombadil omnibus and similarly with the "Farmer Giles" art. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:32, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Now I wonder whether your copy of the pub differs from Marty's, since he explicitly said that in his pub only the copyright page had an artist credit. I will direct his attention to this discussion and we will see how things turn out. Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 10:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
As for the illustrations themselves: The pitchfork-and-shovel equipped man also appears in this pub of mine. In this pub, on the bottom of the title page of "Farmer Giles" is the credit line "embellished by Pauline Diana Baynes". My pub also contains two larger drawings, both occupying an entire page: The first precedes the title page of "Farmer Giles" and depicts the battle scene between the dragon Chrysophylax and the King's knights. The second is somewhere in the middle of the story and depicts the first encounter of Giles and the dragon (where the former falls off his horse). Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 10:34, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Ok, I lied a little. I did miss one separate credit. This is everything I see, and I imagine they're the same as what Ron sees:
  • My book copyright page lists the above credit (Cover and illustrations by Pauline Baynes). The cover is not signed.
  • Each contained collection prior to "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" has an identical 1/4 page drawing of a horizontally hanging sword. This drawing is not signed.
  • There are no other illustrations until "Farmer Giles of Ham", a which point there's nearly one per page (after its "Foreword"). These are uncredited and unsigned.
  • There is NO drawing preceding the title page of "Farmer Giles of Ham", and no usual / larger drawing within it.
  • The title page of "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" has with illustrations by Pauline Baynes (sorry, I missed that), and it has two drawings (neither the sword seen on the other collections), one of which is in the style of the detailed line drawings in "Farmer Giles of Ham" (and the sword motif), one of which is more complex and in the style of the cover illustration. Neither is signed.
  • "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" contains two types of illustrations: a few large, complex drawings clearly in the style of the cover illustration, and many smaller illustrations again in a line-drawing style that looks to me like the drawings in the pages of "Farmer Giles of Ham". None of either type of illustration is signed.
When this book was a collection, the global credit on the copyright page not only was sufficient for me, it also covered all of the artwork: The Tolkien Reader is illustrated by Pauline Baynes. In my opinion, even with the conversion to an omnibus, this thinking should still apply: that the artwork in "Farmer Giles" is not explicitly credited within those pages is irrelevant -- the book copyright page attributes them to Pauline Baynes. Now that we have an omnibus, however, a separate interiorart credit for just "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" seems in order, given the explicit credit on its title page. All that said, I don't really care that much about how interiorart is credited, so whatever the two of you think is most appropriate is ok with me. --MartyD 11:45, 6 January 2010 (UTC)
Marty, thanks for the detailed interior art listing - and for your patience, I hope this whole Tolkien Reader edit monster will soon be over :-) Personally I would be satisfied with a single interior art title for "The Tolkien Reader", but I can also understand Ron's desire to see that specific artwork is shared between altogether different publications. Ron, please let us know what you think, it seems we are both willing to accept your final word on the issue. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 00:49, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
My illustrations are identical to those described by Marty. The only difference is that my printing does not include the artist credit on the copyright page. I still like the idea of being able to know that my copy, and this have the same illustrations. However, from Patrick's description of his collection, they do not share all the the illustrations (My Tolkien Reader has no full page illustrations). While I would still say that the illustrations are essentially the same, and this title should be included in the Tolkien Reader pubs, I can see the argument for the differences being enough to warrant a different record for each pub. Do you guys think we should ask this on Rules and Standards? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:19, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Just to further stir the pot.... My Tolkien Reader has full-page illustrations within "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil" on -- as numbered in the book -- p. 14 (Tom + Goldberry), p. 22 (dancing), p. 26 (knights), p. 35 (fishermen), p. 50 (house cat + lions), and p. 55 (cave w/dragon). These are what I referred to as "complex"; they are fully shaded and three-dimensional. Anyway, why not bring it up on R&S. Now that Patrick has put all of this work into it and we've done such detailed investigation, we should try to get it as right as we can. Plus, then we'll have a concise summary of the situation! :-) --MartyD 11:23, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) Sorry, I miss-characterized my copy. I have all the same full-page illustrations in Tom Bombadil. However, I have no full-page illustrations for Farmer Giles. I think that all the Tolkien Reader publications likely have identical contents, though the artist credits on the copyright page were not present in the early printings. I'll take a stab at posting this to R&S. Feel free to correct me if I summarize it badly. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:08, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

I am somewhat reluctant to dig this up again after almost one month (apologies for my absence), but being the one who raised the issue I feel it to be my duty to finish this.
I have reviewed the R&S discussion, but to me it appears that no clear solution based on an editing rule has emerged. Mhhutchins seems to lean towards individual interior art titles, while Harry's (Dragoondelight) comment seems not to apply to our case. Unless there has been any further discussion that I am not aware of, I would summarize the opinions like this:
  • Rtrace: Prefers several distinct interior art titles to a single generic interior art title
  • MartyD: Originally was for a single generic title, but is willing to go both ways
  • Herzbube: Indifferent
  • Community (R&S): Indifferent, with slight leaning towards distinct interior art titles
If this summary is correct, it seems a little bit clearer that we should go for distinct titles. If everybody agrees with these steps, I would therefore make the following modifications for all publications of "The Tolkien Reader":
  • Add this title to represent the illustrations in "The Adventures of Tom Bombadil"
  • Add this title to represent the illustrations in "Farmer Giles of Ham".
  • Remove this generic title where it is still present
Please let me know what you think, and thanks for your patience - Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 17:31, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Welcome back, Patrick! To take a firm stand: I agree with adding the two specific titles. As you seem to have the only verified copy of something containing the two works, I believe it is up to you whether the generic title is needed. If some of the artwork that Ron and I have described above is NOT present in your Farmer Giles of Ham/The Adventures of Tom Bombadil, then I think the generic title should be kept as well (representing the art unique to The Tolkien Reader). Otherwise, I agree it should be removed. How's that? --MartyD 19:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
I'll also welcome you back, and there are no worries about revisiting this since we didn't really resolve it previously. MartyD's suggestion sounds workable. We could add notes on the title for the generic title stating what exactly it represents. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:48, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Thank you both for your quick feedback. After carefully re-reading everything, I agree that the generic title should be kept, 1) because there is indeed a bit of artwork not in my omnibus (notably the 1/4 page drawings that introduce each collection); and 2) because a few things from my omnibus are not in the Tolkien Reader (notably the full-page illustration that introduces Farmer Giles). To speed up resolution of the issue, I am proceeding straightaway without waiting for your answers. In the worst case we will have to "roll back" my hasty changes... Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 16:24, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
I believe it's done. The generic title now also has a note explaining what it stands for, I hope the note is clear enough without going too much into details. Once more, thank you for your patience and help. Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 14:20, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

Arthur J. Cox and SF Pornography

Thanks for cleaning up this author's page. I noticed that he had a pornographic/erotic novel (Nude in Orbit) credited to him, and wondered what was the source of the attribution. It got me web hopping and I came upon this delightful page. Looks like a good side project for anyone interested. (And I'm not implying any interest would be prurient! It would be purely academic.) Kenneth R. Johnson, the compiler of the list, doesn't attribute the Cross pseudonym to Cox. (Imagine how many great titles for a porn novel one could come up with using that name!) MHHutchins 07:38, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I think we need to add that to Sources of Bibliographic Information immediately! I will confess that I have one book in my collection that I was too embarrassed to enter. Of course, now that I can approve my own submissions, I could enter it in the dead of night and approve it before anyone is the wiser (provided they're not watching recent submissions like a hawk). Now, whether to verify it, is the question. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
There's a book that I didn't verify even though I have it and entered it into the database. Thankfully you came along and verified it. I don't know why I held off on that one even though I verified this one with no qualms. Hopefully no one will think I'm into coprophagia (had to look that up, didn't even know there was a word for this condition.) MHHutchins 04:43, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
The talk link works, just not when I'm already on my own talk page. You've got me wracking my brain to think of what I might have verified that is at all embarrassing. I've worked on some of the Wikipedia pages for some of Delany's other works. I'm not sure I'd want to admit to owning this one. Not a decision that I've had to make as any copy I've seen has been priced higher than I've wanted to pay. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:03, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Yea, I realized (late) that the talk link doesn't work on the page if you're actually on the page. Just a "doh" moment for me, so I removed the comment, hoping you'd not read it yet. And don't be too concerned about the title I didn't verify. As for Hogg, after reading The Mad Man I wasn't in the mood to read another Delany porn, so I passed. Fifteen years later I might be interested again. But looking at the prices for a copy on, I might wait another fifteen years. Mhhutchins 05:45, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Book collecting and "completism" can lead you down all kinds of interesting alleys, e.g. after years of hunting I managed to acquire Glen Cook's first book, a rather dull porn novel. But, as Henry Adams used to say, getting there was the fun part! :) (At one point we had an inconclusive discussion about uploading a cover scan and how to warn our users that it is "not safe for work".) Ahasuerus 16:56, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Dawn Thompson

Hi again Ron,

This is something else I noticed--the entry for Dawn Thompson [[2]]reads:

"Birthplace 1937-03-28 Birthdate: 8 February 2008"

If you click on the provided link to her webpage [[3]] you'll find the following:

Dawn Thomson (March 28, 1937-February 8, 2008)

Clearly the "birthplace" was intended to be her "Birthdate" and the next line should be her date of death. Would you consider this webpage a reliable source of data?


--Rob Crausaz 23:52, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

I certainly would. Especially since it just looks like the dates were entered in the wrong fields You should go ahead and update the author data. Good catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:22, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Hi Ron,

Thanks! I did modify the data but got the following message: "Your submission must be approved by a moderator before it enters the database." Is that typical? Which moderator will be flagged to check the new data (or will you all be flagged)? I'll await your reply then make the other correction.


--Rob Crausaz 03:08, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

That's normal. Any moderator can approve your change. Moderators are not specifically notified. Rather, there is a queue of submissions awaiting approval that all moderators can access for review and approval. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:31, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Got it! Thanks, now I'll know. Rob --Rob Crausaz 22:35, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

ISFDB Oldest Living Authors list


If you look at this computer generated list (I'm assuming it's generated by some program and not a human) [[4]] you'll find over a dozen authors over the age of 116. The oldest person alive on the planet (that's documented) was born in the fall of 1893. Is there any way to correct this? If you look at some of these author's pages it doesn't list the date of death as unknown, it just doesn't list anything but the year of birth. The list must be automatically updated at least daily as I see "Arthur J. Cox" is now on the list (though he might very well still be alive).



--Rob Crausaz 00:05, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I wouldn't want to enter anything unless we had evidence of that the author had died. You should feel free to research these, and update them if you find evidence of when the author died. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:41, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Hi Ron,
I do totally understand why you wouldn't want to enter any data without evidence (we want to be as accurate as possible). I was just wondering if there was any way to remove the people in question from the oldest living authors list itself. For example, I think we can say definitively that James B. Alexander who, according to isfdb, was born in 1831 is no longer alive (though that would be a cool beginning to an SF story :-), a 178/179 year old SF writer's thoughts on how society has changed). But, maybe there's no easy way to remove him (and several others) from that computer generated list. And, if there isn't, oh well, it was a nice thought.
Rob --Rob Crausaz 03:20, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
That's a good point. I will modify the script to ignore any birthdates prior to 1893. Thanks! Ahasuerus 04:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Done. The cutoff age is now 116. Ahasuerus 05:44, 9 January 2010 (UTC)
Thank You, Ahasuerus!! I really appreciate it!


--Rob Crausaz 22:25, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Paul Orban

HI Ron,

I found this [[5]] by just looking at the "ISFDB Youngest Non-Living Authors list." Paul has a negative age :-)! His date of death is listed as "0197" and I'm not sure what the correct date is because the digits could be switched or some could be wrong.


--Rob Crausaz 00:26, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

The web page listed in the author's data has the death date as 1974. I would assume that "0197" is a typo. This is another one that you can go ahead and update (and another good catch). --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:25, 7 January 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, Ron. I see that someone already did update it so thank you whoever you are. Rob --Rob Crausaz 22:29, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Hugh Rankin

Hugh Rankin [[6]] also has a negative age on the "Youngest Non-Living Authors List" because it appears that his birthdate and deathdate were switched.



--Rob Crausaz 00:29, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

This one was a little trickier. I googled the name with the death year and found the E. Hoffmann Price had a chapter about Rankin in this book, which I happen to own. It had the correct birth year. I've gone ahead and updated this one. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:35, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Ron! So glad you had the data at your fingertips!


--Rob Crausaz 03:09, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Weird Tales, Sep-Oct 2008

Is "First Photograph" (page 23) by Scott Maxwell in this issue an essay or interiorart? Currently it's NONFICTION, which can't be used in magazine records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:47, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

I'm 99% certain that it must be interior art (one off in the pull down). I'll double check when I get home tonight and correct as necessary. Thanks for catching that. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:59, 11 January 2010 (UTC)
And it was interior art as expected. Thanks again.--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:55, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Fox Woman & Other Stories

Added some notes to [this] Though both covers are very good on my copy, the spine is severely sun-bleached. Is the number/price in the white circle at the base of the spine? Thanks. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:13, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

That's the number, "214", on the spine (and in the upper left hand corner of the front cover). I don't know if the price was there when I originally verified the record, but it's in Tuck, so I added a further note, and did the other verifications. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:12, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
Both those little circles are just blanks on my copy. Maybe I should just get a black felt marker and jot them in??¿¿ Great thing to do to a book that's older then me!! Thanks. ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:10, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Flower of Doradil/Promising Planet

reworked the notes somewhat for [this] When I tried the derived ISBN in searches it doesn't work. Left the derivation explanation in the notes but put the ACE catalog# back in the field. Have seen discussion about a field for derived ISBNs but don't know if/when. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:07, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Golden People/Exile from Xanadu

Scanned in new images, reworked the notes and added the interior art to the contents of [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Collision Course/Nemesis from Terra

Found EMSH's signature on the cover of Nemesis, so reworked the notes (should have just left it!!) for [this] Also linked clear images to the end of the note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:22, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Jack London's Selected SF & Fantasy Stories

Does this pub have a stated publication date? It's listing in Locus #226 (October 1979) as published in September of that year. Perhaps they just got around to sending Locus a copy, but the only review we have on record is in a November 1979 magazine. Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 05:24, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

There is a 1978 copyright notice on the copyright page which is probably where I got the date from. There is also a colophon in the back that states "First Edition Anthology" over "1978". Chalker and Owings agrees with Locus (though they don't give the month) and also specifically states that the date in the book is incorrect. I'll change the date and add notes. Let me know if you think more is needed. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:00, 16 January 2010 (UTC)
Looks fine. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:05, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Best from F&SF 11th Series

Scanned a new image and added a missing story to the contents for [this] The Vonnegut short was just not there?¿? ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:42, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

The Weirdstone of Brisingamen - added notation/map crediting

Morning! This. [7]. I added notation and credit for map in contents after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:28, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Haggard's The Spirit of Bambaste

When you get a chance can you recheck the price for this pub? Locus #228 (December 1979) gives the price as $4.95, and I wanted to make sure before I dismiss it as an error. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:57, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Locus is correct. I must have fat fingered it, though I can't imagine how. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:23, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The Princess Bride - added map credit

Morning! This. [8]. I added notation and content crediting to Lowell Hess for a white folded map at fep on my edition. I matched you on the ver, but you never know for sure. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:05, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

The Collected Stories of Roger Zelazny

Hi Ron, I added the last two books in the series, Nine Black Doves and The Road to Amber and scanned & added the covers, replacing the Amazon links. These are the scans for Threshold, Power & Light, This Mortal Mountain and Last Exit to Babylon. Thanks, Willem H. 20:57, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

NCC-1701-D Blueprints

New image and some notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:15, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The Book of Gordon R. Dickson - added notation/corrected title in contents

Afternoon! This. [9]. I added notation and changed "Danger - Human!" story title to "Danger -Human" as shown on story title page and ToC. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:08, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Dorsai! added notation/credit frontispiece

Afternoon! This. [10]. I added a frontispiece notation and crediting for Jack Gaughan after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:14, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Dorsai! added notation/credit frontispiece

Afternoon! This. [11]. I added a frontispiece notation and crediting for Jack Gaughan after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:14, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Lovecraft's Dreams and Fancies

I'm in the process of doing a Currey and Reginald verification of Lovecraft, and see that Currey states this this book has "no statement of printing". Can I assume this means there's no statement of edition either, or does your note that this is a first edition mean it's stated, implied, or a well-known fact? I always put any such statement in quotes to indicate that it's stated in the pub, and am not sure how other editors enter such. Thanks. Mhhutchins

Curry is correct and I've adjusted the notes. My Arkhams are among the first books I entered, so, I'm not surprised that there are errors. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:10, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

First printing of The Horror iin the Museum and Other Revisions

I've placed a note about the number of copies of this printing based on Currey's listing. Can you please check to make sure it's stated in the book? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:13, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

Curry is correct. I've also added the exact count from Joshi's Sixty Years of Arkham House. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Lovecraft's "(The) Commonplace Book"

Is the essay in Miscellaneous Writings the same piece published in The Shuttered Room? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:46, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

The one in The Shuttered Room appears to be a subset of the one in Miscellaneous Writings which is much longer. The MW one numbers and dates (by year) each story idea, whereas TSR just lists them. Additionally, the TSR version has annotations by Derleth and Wandrei (noted only in the table of contents), whereas MW does not. They're probably close enough to merge. Do you agree? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:34, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
I think merging the two with a note about the differences should suffice. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:49, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
It turns out variants were required. I also expanded the entry for this title per Chalker and Owings, though I went with the shorter title used in Bleiler and Currey, noting the full title only in the notes. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Lovecraft's Three [3] Tales of Horror

Both Currey and Reginald1 give the title of this pub as 3 Tales of Horror. Are they taking the title from the dustjacket and does the title page differ? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:52, 2 February 2010 (UTC)

They are correct (and now we are too). It is spelled out as "Three" on the half title page, but not the title page. I've corrected the records. I suspect that I originally entered this from Sheldon Jaffery's The Arkham House Companion which spells it out. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:38, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. Bill (Bluesman) had done most of the Currey verifications, but got burnt-out and passed along scans of the Lovecraft listings to me. I've been holding them awhile and thought I'd jump in with both feet, doing the Reginald verifications at the same time. I'm about half-way through, so I might bug you some more before I'm done. Thanks again. Mhhutchins 06:53, 3 February 2010 (UTC)
Feel free to have me verify anything. Mass-market paperbacks can sometimes be tricky to track down, but I can usually find them in a day or two. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:35, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Door Through Space/Rendezvous on a Lost World

Found "EMSH" on the cover of the Bradley side of [this] on the bracelet. Adjusted the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:15, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

The Blue Star

Found Ron Walotsky's signature on the cover of The Blue Star. Submitted the edit and adapted the notes. Thanks, Willem H. 19:17, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

notes in The Incompleat Nifft

I added some minor notes to your verified The Incompleat Nifft, based on my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 12:09, 6 February 2010 (UTC)

The Fourth Book of Jorkens

For your verified publication : The Fourth Book of Jorkens [12], can you verify the title of the short story By Command of Pharoah [13]. Some reference for this short story (Bleiler, Joshi, ...) give the title By Command of Pharaoh. Thanks. ChanurBe 16:33, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Here is the scan in Google [14]. The title is By Command of Pharaoh. ChanurBe 17:46, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry for the delay on verifying this one. I got lost in the shuffle. It was misspelled and I've corrected it. I also removed the note referring to the scan, as our spelling now agrees with it. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:57, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
All is right. Thanks. ChanurBe 08:34, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

The Song of The Pewee (by August Derleth)

Hi Ron,

This story (also published under the pseudonym "Stephen Grendon") is listed in isfdb under the table of contents of Derleth's book Dwellers in Darkness [[15]]. However, if you search for that story title in isfdb [[16]] you won't see Dwellers in Darkness listed as a publication. I've never seen a copy of Dwellers in Darkness so could you please check and see if that story actually appears in the book? If it does, it needs to be added to the publication list for "The Song of Pewee." (And, of course, if it doesn't, it needs to be removed from the Dwellers in Darkness table of contents.)


Rob --Rob Crausaz 02:16, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for butting in.... This is interesting. It looks like a bug to me. I will try to figure out what is going on. --MartyD 11:05, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah, I see. No bug. If you search for "The Song of the Pe", you'll find both. In Dwellers in Darkness, it's listed as "The Song of the Peewee" (976182), while the others are "The Song of the Pewee" (63095). So either it's a misspelling that should be fixed and merged, or it's another variant.... --MartyD 11:26, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Whew, that's a very good catch, Marty! I didn't notice that spelling variation. I bet it's a typo (or, as you wrote, a variant title). Thanks! Rob --Rob Crausaz 23:01, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Yup, it was a typo, and now it is fixed. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:34, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks! Shouldn't Dwellers in Darkness also be listed under the variant title (which is really just the same title but written by Deleth's pseudonym)? [[17]] Rob --Rob Crausaz 03:41, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
No. Dwellers in Darkness credits the story to Derleth and doesn't use the pseudonym, so it is properly listed when you look at the parent title (Derleth), which also lists all variations. The listing for the variant (Grendon) only lists those publications where the story appeared under that variation. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:48, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Ah, got it now. Thanks, Ron! Rob --Rob Crausaz 04:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

The Other Side of the Moon

Hi again Ron,

I have the second printing of this book (from our local library). It's the same publisher as the first printing but the 2nd printing was done in May of 1949. Is that something that should be added to this page? [[18]]

Rob --Rob Crausaz 02:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you should absolutely add a second printing. You didn't mention which edition yours is a second printing of. The easiest way to add your edition is to bring up the publication for the first printing and then use the "Clone This Pub" tool. This will bring up a form that is prepopulated with the data from the first printing. You then just change any of the details that differ (especially the date, if stated [otherwise use 0000-00-00] and the notes [stating that it is a 2nd printing]). By cloning the publication, you don't need to merge all the contained titles, which saves a lot of work. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:42, 9 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the directions, Ron! They were very helpful. The local library has a rebound second edition hardcover of the Pellegrini & Cudahy edition. I used the clone tool and changed the year to 1949-05-00 (which I assume means May 1949, day unknown). In the notes I wrote: "Copyright page lists first printing as March, 1949 and second printing as May, 1949." The only other change I made (other than writing "unknown" for the price--sometimes the librarian would pencil it in upon purchase but that wasn't done here) was to change the number of pages in this edition from 461 to 458. That was the last numbered page in the book (and doesn't include a single unnumbered blank page after # 458). Is that standard procedure to put the last numbered page? Rob --Rob Crausaz 03:34, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Quarto size

Unless somebody says no quarto will become an official size. Since those who came before you are responsible for it not having been in there in the first place I will fix up the Weird Tales entries if it becomes an official size. I noticed that you are doing some Wikipedia entries. I have been loath to enter data there. The wiki wars there put our feeble squabbles to shame. It used to be that the victors rewrote history. Now it is the persistent.--swfritter 15:59, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

I can do them if you want. I've measured the ones where I actually have magazines (as opposed to reprints) and I think they all fit quarto, with the exception of Winter 92 through Winter 99, which are 9 x 11, and if we're pedantic April 2006 - Aug/Sep 2006, which are 8 3/4 x 10 3/4. Of course, I'm I've got holes in the sequence, and there are also several reprints editions where I wouldn't want to guarantee that the reprinted size is identical to the original size.
I still keep an eye on Wikipedia, but I don't edit there like I once did. The arguments over notability are quite discouraging. It's much friendlier over here. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Those 9 x 11 issues are also listed as "quarto" by Contento and should probably be included in the definition.--swfritter 15:17, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

"City on Millington Moor" = "Mallington Moor"

Can you check the spelling of the story in your verified pub? Most sources give the title as "Mallington Moor". Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:50, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

I've also got the other pub that has the title misspelled (it should be "Mallington"). I'll give Chris J a chance to respond on his own, but we should be able to do a merge of the two titles. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
Great. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:38, 10 February 2010 (UTC)
'Mallington Moor' it is. I have changed my copy. --Chris J 00:03, 11 February 2010 (UTC)

Arthur Rex: A Legendary Novel - cover artist verification

Morning! This. [19]. I have a Randy Broecker cover match with the author stated as Jean-Louis Huens. Yours states Jean-Leon Huens. Could you double check so I can get it right? He can be wrong, so I like to note it. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:20, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Finally, asked to check something where I didn't make a mistake! It's credited on the back jacket flap as "Jean-Leon Huens". A Google search gives this as the first link, so I think Jean-Leon is likely correct. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:37, 13 February 2010 (UTC)
Much appreciated. Now I get to enter it correctly! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:48, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Cover art credit for Wraith Board

Can you check the spelling for the artist credited with the cover for this pub. It is more commonly spelled "Kinuko". Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:43, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

The credit is on the copyright page of the book and is actually "Kenuko Craft". Does this warrant a pseudonym, or should we just note the misspelling? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:35, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Some editors tend to be more lenient when it comes to artist's credits. If it were an author credit I wouldn't hesitate to create a pseudonym. With artist's credits, especially if it's just a copyright notice, I would probably correct it and make a note. Either way, you might want to get with Krang who has the second printing of the same title incorrectly credited as well. Both of you should be on the same boat. Mhhutchins 05:25, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Beast that Shouted Love

Could you add in the printing for [this]? I think we have the same one by the catalogue#. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Tracked this one down (If it was a snake...). Mine is also the 3rd. I expect the record was there when I got to it, since I don't have that issue of Locus. Do you want to use the Locus info for the pub date? It seems a little more definitive. Let me know what you decide, and I'll whack my copy when we've moved any data we want. I'll also take a secondary verification on yours. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:31, 19 February 2010 (UTC)
Kept the Locus data, like that better than guessing from ads; transferred printing statement/number line and changed the year also, as even after quoting the Locus issue the year was 1977?¿? Deleted the record I had - primary 1/2, no diff. All cleaned up! Thanks for checking. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:53, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Warriors and Warlocks - Cover artist attributions?

Afternoon! This. [20]. Randy Broecker in "Fantasy of the 20th Century" and Jane Frank in "Science Fiction and Fantasy Artists of the Twentieth Century" both attribute Jim Steranko. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:23, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for finding this. I've added the note, but I would have been fine with your adding it. There is no attribution in the book. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:57, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

2005 Gollancz edition of Priest's The Glamour

Locus1 listing states that the 2005 copyright of this edition suggests that it may have been further revised. (The first US edition was slight revised from the first UK edition.) Is there any mention in the book itself of any changes from the earlier editions? Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:23, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

No specific statements of revision. However, there are 4 copyright dates: 1984, 1985, 1996 & 2005. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:50, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

The World's Desire - change artist request

Morning! This. [21]. I have a reference in Broecker's "Fantasy of the 20th century" to this being by Mati Klarwein. I then went here [22] and found the image title to be "Astral Body Asleep". Would you check to confirm? All yours! Your note added to checking further. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

I've changed the cover and added a note. Thanks for finding this. It really does look nothing like Di Fate. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:56, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

The White Hart - Artist check

Morning! This. [23]. I have a cover art match in Broecker's (pg. 203)(again LOL) for Carl Lundgren. Jane Frank also lists the Pocket/1979 pg. 326 rt col. bottom as his. I can not see his signature on the cover. Up to you. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:38, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

There is nothing in the book, nor can I find a signature. Given that you have multiple sources, feel free to add the artist and note. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:27, 18 February 2010 (UTC)
Notation submitted. Forgot artist will do. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:53, 18 February 2010 (UTC)

The Disappearing Dwarf

Just a note that I have changed the Note from "1st printing" to "Stated first edition. No statement of printing -- assumed first printing." in your verified Del Rey / Ballantine edition of The Disappearing Dwarf . Ahasuerus 02:34, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

"By Command of Pharoah" or "...Pharaoh"?

Can you check the spelling of "By Command of Pharoah" in this collection and this one? Was it a typo or is this the spelling used in both books? Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I just noticed that "ChanurBe" asked you the same question last week. Mhhutchins 18:55, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry, it got lost in the shuffle. I've responded above. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:58, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Jorkens Borrows Another Whiskey

I just add the illustrator to your verified pub [24]. ChanurBe 22:08, 16 February 2010 (UTC)

I accepted the submission, but not sure if I feel comfortable with the link, as it probably isn't a permanent link. If the book notes the artist, the note and link could be deleted. If the book doesn't credit the artist, I'll leave it up to you to decide if the note and link should stay. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:53, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
The signature is just below the left foot of the character. The name can be identified on the scan, but not the rest.ChanurBe 23:22, 16 February 2010 (UTC)
Alas, the copy I verified does not have the jacket. Happily, the cover illustration in the link is also included as a frontispiece, (and a smaller version at the head of each story). I didn't add it before, because I didn't think I think the signature was legible enough. (Somewhere I have a collection of Searle artwork, but I can't put my hands on it right now). I agree that the auction link is probably not a good idea. If we all agree that it is Searle's signature, I can add an interior art credit and a note stating that we're basing it on the signature. Also, I found a copy of the jacket on fantastic fiction, and I've added it. Do you agree with adjusting the notes? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:47, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
I agree. Remove the link and note the sources. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:43, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
It's OK for me. ChanurBe 08:35, 17 February 2010 (UTC)
Sorry that I took so long, but I've now made the updates. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:03, 3 March 2010 (UTC)


Changed Takeoff to a trade paperback and added LCCN to comments. Dana Carson 11:37, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

Bow Down to Nul/The Dark Destroyers

Found EMSH [on the very right edge of the helmet, hard to see, grey letters on grey band] on the Aldiss cover of [this], amended the notes and scanned in cover images. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:36, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Preface (Tales of Wonder) in Wonder Tales


I have just coded this day Tales of Wonder (english edition of The Book of Wonder) and I found a difference between the text of the Preface of Tales of Wonder and the text of Foreword of The Last Book of Wonder. For your verified publication : Wonder tales, you use Preface (Tales of Wonder) page 59. Can you verify the text with the two above and eventualy unmerge and made a variant to the correct text. The order of the content suggests that this edition is based on The Last Book of Wonder.

The cover is an illustration of H. S. Sime named There the Gibbelins Lived and Discretably Fed from The Book of Wonder.

Thanks for reading. ChanurBe 22:31, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Eventualy, you can made Cover: Wonder Tales variant of There the Gibelins Lived and Discreditably Fed. ChanurBe 15:19, 21 February 2010 (UTC)
It is, in fact the Preface from Tales of Wonder that is on page 59 and matches the text of the link. So I don't think we need to unmerge anything.
Regarding the cover illustration, I'm not sure if it is possible or advisable to make cover art a variant of an interior illustration (or the converse for that matter). Have you made similar variants of titles of different types? I'll pose the question at ISFDB:Help desk. If it is in fact possible to make such a variant, you should feel free to do so. Thanks for all your investigations. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:29, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
It appears that cover art and interior art can be variants of one another (see here). Feel free to go ahead and submit the variant relationship. Let me know if you need help or would like me to do it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Falcons of Narabedla

I think we may have the same printing, so a couple of questions about Falcons of Narabedla: Does the copyright page say "This Ace printing: March 1979" (mine does)? Does it explicitly state that it is the third Ace printing (mine doesn't)? Does it have a two page foreword by MZB? TIA! Ahasuerus

Yes on all points. The note stating that it is the third printing probably pre-dates my verification, though I think it is probably correct. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:09, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Adjusted, thanks! Ahasuerus 15:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Avon Fantasy Reader #5

Can you verify that "The Words of Guru" was credited to C. M. Kornbluth and not "Kenneth Falconer" in this issue of AFR? Same thing with "A Study in Amber", is it credited to Frank Owen (his name is on the cover) or "Richard Kent"? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 17:11, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Both stories are under the names reflected in the record on both title pages and table of contents. Happily, my small collection of pulps is still sitting here beside the computer, and they're easy to put my hands on. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:50, 23 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks again for checking. I'm trying to get a handle on how Miller/Contento records pseudonymously credited stories in their magazine index. As it turns out, sometimes they give the canonical author with the credited author given in brackets, but other times it's reversed. I thought perhaps one way means that it was first published under the pseudonym (as it does for this issue of Avon Fantasy Reader). Now I'm all mixed up and will have to deal with each instance on a case-by-case basis. It's very similar to how Contento gives credit in both his online indexes (Locus1 and the Anthology/Collections Index), meaning no apparent standard about how it's actually credited in the magazine itself. For example here's how these two stories are indexed:
100 · A Study in Amber [as by Richard Kent] · Frank Owen · nv The Fireside Mystery Book, ed. Frank Owen, Lantern, 1947
119 · The Words of Guru [as by Kenneth Falconer] · C. M. Kornbluth · ss Stirring Science Stories Jun ’41
How would a user of the index not come to the conclusion that the author credited in the pubs are the pennames as given here? Just a couple of issues earlier (AFR #3) here's how a couple of stories are indexed:
89 · Mimic [as by Martin Pearson] · Donald A. Wollheim · ss Astonishing Stories Dec ’42
95 · Bishop’s Gambit · Stephen Grendon · ss
In this case, the Wollheim story actually is credited to "Pearson" in the pub, but they don't even mention the fact that August Derleth wrote "Bishop's Gambit" in the pub record. You have to click on the Grendon name which is linked to the author index to learn that it's a Derleth penname. Miller/Contento should have come up with a better way of presenting pseudonymously published stories. It makes me appreciate how meticulous we are here on the ISFDB about how work is credited in print. Mhhutchins 06:40, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Night Shade Books series of The Collected Jorkens by Dunsany

Can you verify the spelling of the cover artist for these three books? If Sydney Sime is correct (note the first "y"), I will make it into a pseudonym for Sidney H. Sime. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:54, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

The notice on the copyright page states "Cover & title page illustrations based on a painting by Sydney Sime". I don't know if we should be concerned about the "based on". There is no other credit for the cover aside from "Cover and interior layout & design by Jeremy Lassen", which only appears in the first volume (the others don't credit cover to Lassen). I would assume that the art portion of the cover is Sime and that Lassen did the lettering and layout. Regardless, it's Sydney in these books. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:14, 25 February 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I'll create the pseudonym and variants. (You'd think there'd be a copy editor who would have caught this. They had to get the illustrations from a source that spelled the man's name correctly.) Mhhutchins 05:46, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

The Space Willies / Six Worlds Yonder

I added the publication month (from the Ace Image Library) and the cover artist (Kelly Freas signed both covers) to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 19:21, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Moving Pictures

Hi Ron, I just cloned your verified Moving Pictures for my fourth printing. It may shed some light on your copy. Mine has a price sticker for £16.99 on the frontflap over the original £15.99 price, and is probably the one mentioned in Locus1, so I left the publication date in (1997-05-00). There could be a difference on the copyright page. My copy states: First published in Great Britain November 1990 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. Reprinted three times. Is yours different? Thanks, Willem H. 10:02, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

I think we may have the same edition. Mine is as yours is described, though without the price sticker. However, in addition to the First published in Great Britain November 1990 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. Reprinted three times, mine additionally states This edition first published in Great Britain 1997 by Victor Gollancz Ltd. Perhaps mine is a 5th printing? Let me know if yours has the same statement. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:45, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. They are the same. I moved my verification to your pub, added notes and deleted mine. Willem H. 20:46, 3 March 2010 (UTC)
Also adde this cover scan to replace this Amazon link. --Willem H. 18:31, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Interesting Times

Added the publication month from Locus1 to Interesting Times. Thanks, Willem H. 10:50, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Necronomicon by "Simon"

There's a listing for this pub in Locus #232 (April 1980), matching the publisher, page count, and ISBN, but the price is given as $2.75. The price in the current record of $7.99 seems too high for a 1980 mmpb from a major publisher. Could you please re-check? Thanks in advance. Mhhutchins 00:44, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, the page count doesn't match either. The Locus listing gives it as 221 pages. The OCLC record gives it as "lvi+218". Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:46, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
Fixed and fixed. I don't know why it was so far off, but my copy matches the data from Locus. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:39, 2 March 2010 (UTC)


Locus has the date of 'a' 24th printing as October, but [this] has the date as March. I'm assuming their listing is incorrect but just wanted to check before letting Bill Contento know. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:26, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

The book definitely says March 1984. It also specifies US printing. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:52, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Alfred Bester's Starburst

According to the listing in Locus #232 (April 1980), the sixth printing of Starburst was published in March 1980. Mhhutchins 00:29, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added the date. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:54, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Darkover Landfall

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and add note. Hauck 17:20, 9 March 2010 (UTC)


Should [this] have a 0000 date? ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:19, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

I whacked the date. There is nothing in the book giving a printing date. I may have missed the date when cloning. Anyway, thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:25, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Heinlein's Unpleasant Profession

Can you recheck the page count for this pub? The Berkley editions had 214 pages which would match up with the pagination of the last story in the book. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:28, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Indeed it has 214 pages. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:17, 14 March 2010 (UTC)

Dreamfall by Vinge

Can you take a look at this discussion when you get a chance? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:40, 15 March 2010 (UTC)

Petronius' Satyricon

Hi, I have no great objection and I'll bow to your opinion since I'm not particularly familiar with the book, but does this qualify as SF? To my knowledge, witches etc are discussed at a dinner, but I can't recall anything else SFish. Cheers Jonschaper 04:03, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

I haven't read it. I have seen the Fellini film which has a minotaur and I recall a demigod. I just skimmed the Wikipedia article which makes it clear that the film is only loosely adapted. However, the plot summary (of the novel) mentions an enchantress and a sorceress who attempt to cure a character of a malady. It's certainly an edge case, but I'd still opt to include it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:28, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
CheersJonschaper 03:15, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

The Tritonian Ring

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 18:32, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Weird Tales, July-August 2008

Could you please check whether "The L:ibrary (Weird Tales, July-August 2008)" is spelled that way and whether "Bibliography (The Maze of the Enchanter)" is Shortfiction rather than an Essay? Thanks! Ahasuerus 03:59, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

No need to check on both of those. Thanks for catching my rather obvious mistakes. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:45, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

The Farthest Shores of Ursula K. Le Guin

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added notes. Hauck 17:05, 30 March 2010 (UTC)

The Eyrie [2]

Would it be better to enter this as "The Eyrie (alternate sytle)"? The number offsets are generally used to indicated that there are multiple pieces of artwork attached to a specific work within a pub.--swfritter 15:25, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Actually, I suspect that one is the original, and the other one was done later. I don't know that I like "alternate style". It is a different drawing. Would you be OK with "The Eyrie (alternate)"? (for the one that is currently simply "The Eyrie", with "The Eyrie [2]" taking the unadorned name).
I know that I have used the same style for other pieces. See [25], [26] and [27] and their accompanying artwork. These are all different excerpts from the same poem. They are a pictorial feature, so there really isn't a title on the page (the source is mentioned i.e. "...from A Wine of Wizardry by Sterling"). The table of contents titles it by the first line of the poem. Perhaps I should have gone with that, i.e. "<first line of poem> (excerpt from A Wine of Wizardry). (I'd give you exact titles, but I'm at work at the moment). I did end up going with the first line for this one, as there was no other title to go with.
I've considered chiming in on the discussion about interior art as the masthead/column heading discussions we've had seem to relate. However, that discussion seems to be veering in a different direction.
Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:27, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
I think you are pretty much out of danger with merging the masthead interior art since you are dealing with singletons. The reason I even noticed The Eyrie issue is that I was trying to determine how many pubs have multiple interior artwork entries.--swfritter 17:38, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

Zanzibar Cat

Added the month to [this] from Locus1. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:41, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

Blue Face

Please have a look at [this] discussion as it affects a pub you've verified. I've dropped notes to Harry and Willem. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:23, 4 April 2010 (UTC)


Replaced an image [broken link] for [this] Good luck with the move! ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:33, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Mask of the Sorcerer

Added month and price, from Locus1, to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:13, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Springer's The Silver Sun

Added a note to your verified copy of this title about the two covers. Mhhutchins 21:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Weird Tales, August-September 2006

When you unpack your books, could you please double check whether "The Eyrie (Weird Tales, August-September 2006)" in your verified Weird Tales, August-September 2006 is a short story or an essay? TIA! Ahasuerus 22:15, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

No need to check. It should be an essay. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:45, 12 April 2010 (UTC)


Added artist credit to [this] My Dell '67 paperback has the same artwork and credits the artist on its back cover. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:47, 15 April 2010 (UTC)

The Shrouded Planet

Good luck with the packing & unpacking. I added Silverbergs afterword and the LCCN to this verified pub to match my copy. Check it when you can. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:43, 22 April 2010 (UTC)

The Quest for Saint Camber

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, --Willem H. 09:26, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

The Fantasy Stories of George MacDonald

According to Locus #239 (November 1980), this boxed set was priced $12.95 (this means you paid $1.15 for the box, because it shows each of the 4 volumes were available separately for $2.95 each.) Also it appeared in October 1980. (It also looks like the author's name in the title is incorrectly capitalized.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:00, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

I actually remember the now closed book store (from a now bankrupt and closed local chain) where I bought these nearly 30 years ago. I don't recall ever seeing them sold individually. Does that issue of locus mention whether this was a first printing? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:03, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
From Locus: "4-volume slipcased set. New editions of a juvenile fantasy collection by a Victorian author (1824-1905). Also available separately (see list below). These four books were originally issued by Eerdmans in 1973 in a two-volume set entitled GIFTS OF THE CHILD CHRIST..." Hope this helps. Mhhutchins 18:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Werewolf Principle

Added a printing statement and DAW catalog# to [this] from Jaffrey. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:20, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Systemic Shock

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added note. Hauck 15:46, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Book of the Sixth World Fantasy Convention

According to Locus #239 (November 1980), this book was priced at $9.95. It was limited to 1000 copies and 200 of those were available to collectors directly from the publisher. Perhaps that means the other 800 were given to convention attendees at no cost? Mhhutchins 00:11, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Chalker and Owings agree on price, but give the number as 300 for sale. I've added a note giving both numbers. That was one of my first conventions, so mine is one of the free ones. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:20, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
I'd bet that 800 were set aside for the convention, but less than that were distributed, leaving more to be purchased directly from the publisher. Mhhutchins 18:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Advernture(S) in Futurity?

Morning! This. [28]. With an "S" is this title a variant of the singular title? Just passing through and noticed. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:14, 16 May 2010 (UTC)

Happily, that one has been unpacked already, so I could easily verify that it is a typo. Thanks. for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:08, 16 May 2010 (UTC)
That's good! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:07, 16 May 2010 (UTC)


Locus has the artist for the cover of [this] as Tony Patrick. Didn't change the record as sometimes they list a designer as the artist. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:34, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

There are no credits either on the jacket or in the book. Since he has done other cover art, I'd say it is probably OK to go ahead and change the record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:04, 18 May 2010 (UTC)
I'll add a note only. Artist credits from Locus can be vaporware, though they may have publisher's data that isn't in the book either. He is mentioned on the [Arkham Artists site] but not for this publication. Thanks for checking! ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:08, 19 May 2010 (UTC)

The Iron Dream

New image for [this], quite a good one; you also might want to have a look at [this] submission. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:55, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. It is a good image. I haven't unpacked that book yet, but I do have the box that it is in recorded in my Library Thing account, so I should be able to pull it. I hope I've been careful with the TSR vs. WOTC books, but it could be my error. Or, perhaps the edit should be a new printing. I've held the submission while I double check. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:03, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

The Voyage of the Space Beagle

The image link of the cover is broken on this page: Just thought I'd let you know since you verified it. :) --Astromath 03:19, 24 May 2010 (UTC)

The Best of Michael Moorcock

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 17:28, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Walking Shadow

Added the month [Locus1] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:24, 28 May 2010 (UTC)

Kender, Gully Dwarves, and Gnomes

Re: Corrected cover image and added notes. --Astromath 12:47, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. I deleted the note that you were updating the cover image. Once the edit has been approved, we don't really track why the record was edited. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:32, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Trullion: Alastor 2262

I added more notes plus to Trullion: Alastor 2262 plus added interiorart to the contents. The old notes were
frontispiece signed with initials DM•MR
First DAW printing per number line
DAW No. 418 --Marc Kupper|talk 07:11, 6 June 2010 (UTC)

Roadside Picnic

Added a new image [broken link] and the artist [Locus1] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:57, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Not Without Sorcery

Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:06, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Minikins of Yam

Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:42, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

American Fantastic Tales: Terror and the Uncanny from the 1940s to Now

I updated American Fantastic Tales: Terror and the Uncanny from the 1940s to Now

  • Scan and upload cover image.
  • Added more notes.
  • I corrected the title of the story "The Mysteries of Joy Rio" to "The Mysteries of the Joy Rio". --Marc Kupper|talk 23:27, 12 June 2010 (UTC)

World's Best SF: 1966

New image, notes and fixed spelling of Masson's story [had two 'l's] for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:48, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Three to Conquer / Doomsday Eve

Added notes to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 18:48, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Bending the Landscape: Fantasy

I added the cover image plus notes to Bending the Landscape: Fantasy. I also bumped the page count from 382 to 383 per the last bullet on Template:PublicationFields:Pages regarding unnumbered pages at the end of a work. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:48, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Anatomy of Wonder: Second Edition

According to an ad in Locus #248 (September 1981), the price for your hardcover edition of this title is $32.95. I have the trade paperback and used the same ad to date it. Mhhutchins 21:50, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Mike. I've updated accordingly. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:43, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Tales of Quintana Roo

Added the month [Locus1] and []'d the page numbers to jive with the note for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:44, 22 June 2010 (UTC)

Pattern for Conquest

Found and added a great cover image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

month for Pandora

I added a March publication month to your verified Pandora from Locus (found it while verifying a merge of its cover record) and added a note as to the source. --MartyD 11:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

The Broken Sword

New image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:58, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

How Are the Mighty Fallen

Exceptional image added to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:47, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

A Quest for Simbilis

Added a new image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:14, 26 June 2010 (UTC)

Master of the Dark Gate

New image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:40, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Mighty Swordsmen

Full-cover image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:56, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Warlocks and Warriors

New full-cover image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:12, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Swordsmen in the Sky

New image for [this]. OCLC has [1969?] in their record, pretty flimsy to change the pub record, so just noted that. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:54, 27 June 2010 (UTC)

Man Who Was Thursday

New, clean image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:57, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Also for [Beyond the Golden Stair] --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:01, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Also for [High Dernyi] --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:20, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Kurtz's The Legacy of Lehr

I placed this into the Millennium publication series, and gave a month of publication based on info from Locus1. Mhhutchins 03:43, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Harold Rayner & Harold Kayner

Hi, since both Harolds did interior art for one issue of Weird Tales around the same time I suspect one might be a typo or a due to a hard to read signature. Since you've verified both, could you check? Titles here and here. Thanks Jonschaper 05:00, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for finding that. Looking at the signatures back to back, they identical. However, the top loop of the "R" isn't closed on one of them. The signatures are done in negative (white text on black) and looking closely at the unclosed R, I can see the curve of the top of the letter. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:21, 2 July 2010 (UTC)


I corrected the pagenumbers (x+205) and added the author's note to Wolfwinter. Thanks, --Willem H. 13:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Pub series notifications

Thanks for the notifications, but I'll join the chorus and give you a carte blanche :) Just keep in mind that reprints can add/drop pub series designations, e.g. some Adult Fantasy books were later reprinted by Ballantine without the unicorn logo. Ahasuerus 02:04, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Notifying verifiers is actually a bit of a drag, so I'm happy to start a list pf those who don't require it. I've tried to be careful with the which printings that I've included in the series. With the Adult Fantasies, I've added only those where I know that they have a colophon, or the words "Ballantine Adult Fantasy" on the cover. I left Munn's Merlin's Ring off, despite it's Carter intro that talks about the Adult Fantasy series. Similarly, I've only included "marked" reprints of the "precursors" that Carter listed in Imaginary Worlds. My own BAFs get a separate shelving and I'm a little more liberal with what I consider part of the series in my own library. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)

Swords Against the Shadowland(s)

Hi, I've removed the second "s" from Shadowlands from here as per the cover scan and wikipedia entry. Cheers Jonschaper 01:59, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I've updated the pub record as well. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:09, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows

I tried a full cover scan for Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:35, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I changed the date from 2007-07-21 to 2007-07-00 to match the publication, added notes (there were none), plus documented the copyright page in the bibliographic comments. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:13, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

I think we should put the day of publication back and add a note that it isn't reflected in the book. I double checked the help page and as I read it, we should reflect a precise a date as known. The Wikipedia article can be used as a source for the full date, though in this case, I recall the release. Let me know if you agree. The other edits look good. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:56, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
That makes sense. I changed the date to 2007-07-21 and added a note:
  • The publication date is stated as "July 2007" on the copyright page. The source for the 2007-07-21 date used with this ISFDB publication record is the Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Wikipedia article.
Generally I'm not comfortable using Wikipedia as the "source" as we really should be using a reliable source that the WP article is based on. In this case the event was so widely covered that using WP directly seems ok. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:36, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
While this is old news at this point... I'm fine with this solution. Thanks Kevin 22:33, 31 July 2010 (UTC)

Publisher's Series

Thanks for all the notes on adding the Ace Sf Special tags but I really don't need to know. Hate to think of all the notes for the Ace Doubles!!! :-) --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:25, 10 July 2010 (UTC)

Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

I updated Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix

  • Date changed from 2003-07-00 to 2003-07-21.
  • Publisher changed from "Scholastic" to "Arthur A. Levine / Scholastic Press".
  • Page count changed from 877 to xi+877.
  • The old note was "Jacket art, Mary GrandPré, Jacket design Mary GrandPré and David Saylor" - Please see the publication record for the updated note. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:25, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I scanned/uploaded the cover too. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:05, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


Afternoon! This. [29]. I added three notes, one on an 'afterword', one on the art and OCLC record. First message to Mhutchins. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:28, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

I updated Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince

  • Change Publisher from "Scholastic Inc." to "Arthur A. Levine Books / Scholastic Inc."
  • Changed page count from 652 to x+659
  • Added notes (there were none before)
  • Added new content for "About the Author", "About the Illustrator", and "Credits"
  • Scanned and uploaded cover image.

I only have Harry Potter books 5, 6, 7 handy but at this point those three are consistent in terms of the notes, etc. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:41, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


Uploaded a slightly better image and credited an artist for [this] The painting is in an art book I have and LoGrippo's signature should be visible in the very bottom left corner. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:23, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

Just found a very clean copy of the above and scanned in a new image. LoGrippo's signature is visible on the cover, though if the artwork was cropped by even 1/8" it would disappear. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:50, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Elven Star

Afternoon! This. [30]. I added LCCN and OCCL hot links and as you 2nd verified I am notifying you. Any questions beam me! How can one live with books unpacked when all the real world is that are just packed differently in shelves? Hope all is well! LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Diane Duane's "The Door Into Shadow"

You verified the first edition of this book, at Door Into Shadow, as being published in June, 1984. But my copy of the book claims that it was published in April, 1984. Specifically the publication data says: "First Bluejay printing: April 1984". All other data from my copy matches the data you verified. Chavey 21:30, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I've corrected the record. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:26, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Voyage of the Space Beagle

New image [broken link] and artist credit [from ICSHI, with link in notes] for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:44, 21 July 2010 (UTC)

Slumber vs Deeper Slumber

Morning! This. [31]. The Introduction essay. My 1st says "Deeper Slumber" and you have just "Slumber". Could you please check? Hoping for a merge, not a variant. LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 11:59, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Sensuous Science Fiction from the Weird and Spicy Pulps - as reviews?

Morning! This. [32]. I just got a copy and am delighted with it. In looking at the story, each has a commentary before the story. Having done Bleiler (G), I wonder if you would mind if I added a review before each story. That way people will know there is commentary. If you do not think he gave enough material or wish me not to, no problem. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:38, 24 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to take a few days to respond. I was out of town at a Wizard of Oz convention and then had to track down the the book. The commentaries look substantial enough and I'd be delighted if you added them to the record. If you enjoy this one, I assume you know that Jaffery did at least two other similar anthologies: Selected Tales of Grim and Grue from the Horror Pulps which we have a record for, and The Weirds a Facsimile Selection of Fiction from the Era of the Shudder Pulps which we don't. You may want to check them out. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:10, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

The Time Hoppers

Scanned in an image and added a note about the LB catalog# from the cover to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:54, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

Swords Against Darkness

Swords Against Darkness Expanded notes plus added a bibliographic comments with an expanded table of contents. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:04, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Book of Dreams

Scanned in an image, slightly re-arranged the notes [nothing new] for [The Book of Dreams] --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:26, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Gray Prince

Found a much clearer image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:59, 28 July 2010 (UTC)

Night's Master - 3rd printing

Afternoon! This. [33]. I matched your ver and Locus 1 states "Night’s Master (DAW 0-88677-131-5, Jun ’86 [May ’86], $3.50, 220pp, pb) [Flat Earth] Reissue (DAW 1978) fantasy novel, first in the “Flat Earth” series; 3rd printing." Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:43, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Question about your verifed The Arkham Sampler, Summer 1949

In This verified pub there is a review of The Historic Mr. Poe. I can find no record of such a work. However I can find several records including OCLC #274912 for The histrionic Mr. Poe by Nathan Bryllion Fagin. Is it possible that this was the work reviewed? if so was this an entry error into the ISFDB, or an error on the part of the reviewer?

I understand this may take you a while to check, there is no particular urgency. -DES Talk 15:54, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

No problems. I needed to unpack the pulps and get them sorted anyway. You are correct, the title is in fact "The Histrionic Mr. Poe" and I've corrected the review. However, the author is given only as "Bryllion Fagin". Do you want to enter a new publication record for it? If so, additional details in the review are: Johns Hopkins Press, 289pp, $4.00. If not, let me know, and I'll happily enter it. My issues of The Arkham Sampler were among the first things I entered here and I didn't add all the reviewed pubs. It's probably worth doing another pass on these to see what else I missed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:47, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Planet Stories and Paizo Publishing

I'm trying to figure out the relationship between Planet Stories (the publisher) and Paizo Publishing. It appears that "Planet Stories" is either an imprint of Paizo or a publication series. Their website makes me lean toward publication series. (I created this page for a publication series awhile back.) Is the relationship made more clear in your copy of The Dark World? Swfritter has verified three other titles as published by Planet Stories, so I'll ask him to check his pubs and join the discussion. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:34, 13 August 2010 (UTC)

The title page of this pub says only Planet Stories but the copyright page says "Planet Stories is a division of Paizo Publishing, LLC".--swfritter 16:29, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The copyright/contents page of this pub says PLANET STORIES is published bimonthly by Paizo Publishing, LLC --Willem H. 19:37, 13 August 2010 (UTC)
The title and copyright pages of The Dark World are precisely the same as swfritter described above with the addition of "Erik Mona, Publisher" under "Seattle" under "Planet Stories". Additionally, the front cover has the Planet Stories logo. The spine has both the PS and Paizo logos. There is a list of the "Planet Stories Library" advertising other books. It looks more like an imprint to me, but not strongly so. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:18, 14 August 2010 (UTC)
The C. L. Moore book is also as Ron says except the Paizo logo is on the back of the book instead of the spine.--swfritter 17:10, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

The Weapon Shops of Isher

Added artist to your verified here and replaced scan and added note to The Wizard of Linn. Hauck 07:52, 14 August 2010 (UTC)

Mad God's Amulet

Scanned new image and expanded the notes for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:14, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Year's Best Fantasy: 9

Scanned a new image and expanded the notes for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:40, 15 August 2010 (UTC)

Cover credit for A Medicine for Melancholy

Can you make sure that the cover art of this pub is credited to "Joseph Mugniani"? It's ordinarily spelled "Mugnaini". Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:23, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

It's on the inside front flap of the jacket as "Jacket by Joseph Mugniani". I guess I'd better read the recent discussion on misspellings to see if my understanding of what to do is correct! --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:01, 19 August 2010 (UTC)
My understanding is still correct. I've made the pseudonym relationship and marked the cover accordingly. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:41, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Could Jacobson be Jakobsson?

I'm wondering if the author of the story in this anthology might be the future editor of Galaxy and If. Too much of a coincidence to be otherwise. Do you think we should create a pseudonym and variants for his stories? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:31, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Well The FictionMags index asserts they are the same and it certainly would have been surprising were they not. I'll go ahead and make the pseudonym relationship for the handful of records. I think Jakobsson should probably be the parent. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:16, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Elsewhere vol II - removed mi. from Paul Hazen name

Afternoon! This. [34]. I removed the 'middle initial' from Paul Hazen as it is not shown in book. Contento has it without, but under author name it is [E]. Seems we only have one story from him, so I do not know which way to go after removal. BTW, great job on that one. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:45, 21 August 2010 (UTC)

Nebula Award Stories Five - D. Suvin

Morning! This. [35]. Upon matching my copy to your ver, I discovered that it is D. Suvin not Darko Suvin in book. Submitted del/change. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Good catch on this, as well as the error from Elsewhere II above. In both these cases I probably verified data that was already and was not careful enough to catch the errors. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:38, 22 August 2010 (UTC)
I have noticed that much of the anthology data matches Contento and that they are not as strict as here. Not to worry, you have so few errors that I am jealous. LOL. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:56, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Universe Maker / The World of Null-A

this concerns your 2nd verification of this pub. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:16, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

Midnight Sun

Hi Ron, you probably created the entries here from stories in Smoke of the Snake and Tales from the Nightside. I would like to change the editor of "Midnight Sun" to Gary Hoppenstand. I have a copy of Midnight Sun #1, where he's credited as editor and publisher. Further proof is here. Any objections? Thanks, --Willem H. 09:23, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

I didn't create the magazine entries. Even if I had, I'd say you should go ahead and correct them from your primary source. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:26, 27 August 2010 (UTC)
Well, someone did, and I thought you were the most likely candidate. But anyway, thanks. Corrected, it Looks much better now. --Willem H. 13:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Chicago Red - added cover artist/notation

Morning! This. [36]. I added the cover artist, found at Locus 1, Canada pricing, and +[1] for page count, all after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:49, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for correction

You are listed as the Verifier for the book "Born to Exile" by Phyllis Eisenstein. I was noticing that on the primary page for the author, the book is listed twice: Once under "Fiction Series" and once under "Collections". The entry under "Collections" only includes two awards given to the book, which are not included under the "Fiction Series" entry. IMHO it would seem that these should be combined into a single listing, but I do not have the isfdb skills to know how to do it. I was hoping you could handle this. Chavey (Moved from User:Rtrace -DES Talk 22:18, 27 August 2010 (UTC))

I saw your note on User:Rtrace. FYI, User pages are used by users to describe themselves or their work here. User talk pages are used to communicate with people. i therefore moved your note to User talk:Rtrace, where he will be more likely to see it. However, I then looked up the works in question. The item in the "fiction series" section is for Born to Exile a novel. There is also an entry for a collection with the same title, probably containing a short story by this same title which was expanded into the novel. (The Wikipedia article says that parts of the novel were first published in F&SF). The collection entry is incomplete, and needs contents and publication details. If you have a copy of the collection, I can help you enter them. I do not own this collection myself. -DES Talk 22:39, 27 August 2010 (UTC)(copied from User talk:Chavey to keep the thread together. -DES Talk 22:41, 27 August 2010 (UTC))
Born to Exile is a fixup novel, not a collection, according to many sources including the Clute/Nicholls encyclopedia. This may have caused the confusion that led to two different title records. I propose that the two records be merged as a novel-type. This will transfer the awards from the collection record to the novel record. If Ron (Rtrace) knows which stories were used to create the novel (if acknowledged in the book itself), then he can update the title record giving the story titles. I believe at least the first three stories of the Alaric series made up the novel (Clute/Nicholls gives the stories' dates as 1971-1974). Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:37, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
I see. That would explain matters, although it is odd that a fixup won an award for "Best collection". But if these are the same text, they should be merged, and let contents or notes be entered by whoever has the data. Thanks for the info. -DES Talk 03:44, 28 August 2010 (UTC)
Alas, I'm away from my library until Monday or Tuesday, but I'll double check how discreet the stories are then. As I recall, it does read more like a collection. I'll updated the notes when I get back.--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:17, 29 August 2010 (UTC)
I've added a note to the title record. The last story does not appear to exist elsewhere in Eisenstein's bibliography. The stories are quite discreet with each having its own title page. However, there is no table of contents. The copyright page has the statement: "Portions of this novel appeared originally in the Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction." --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:30, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Three Trips in Time and Space - added notation

Afternoon! This. [37]. I added notation and forgot to put my name there, that "the artist is identified at Ragged Claws Network as Paul Lehr, awaiting secondary sourcing." My guess was also it was he, but guesses do NOT buy things. LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:04, 29 August 2010 (UTC)

Thief of Thoth

Scanned in an image for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:24, 4 September 2010 (UTC)


I just cloned your 6th printing of Psychoshop for my 1st printing. I think you should change the publication date, and take another look at Greg Bear's introduction. In my edition this is titled "Psychoshop: SF Jazz, B to Z". Thanks, --Willem H. 16:06, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for that. I've made both changes. I also scanned my copy as the Amazon cover was missing the black band on the left. Feed free to link to this image, if it better matches yours. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:06, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

Bary vs Barry Moser

Hi, can you check if Bary here should be Barry Thanks Jonschaper 04:13, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

My bad, and now fixed. With all those little pictures between two pages, I was bound to get one wrong. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)


Scanned in a new image and added notes [there were none] to [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

Panshin essay in Nebula Award Stories Five

Can you verify the title of the essay by Panshin in this anthology? Some sources give it as "Short Fiction in 1969". Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:14, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

It is actually "Short SF in 1968" and is also listed that way in the table of contents. Curious that the anthology contains stories from 1969. I scanned the essay and Panshin is talking about 1969. I wonder if the title is a mistake and it was later corrected (assuming that there are later printings), or was originally correct in the hardback edition. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:44, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

The Void Captain's Tale

Just entered a Canadian edition of [this] and there is an artist's signature [Daly (likely Gerry)] directly under the "D" in Spinrad. I did not alter the record. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:58, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

My goodness you have good eyes! I held it directly under a lamp and with reading glasses it still took some effort to make it out. I'll make the changes on my copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:16, 20 September 2010 (UTC)
I use a magnifier on every uncredited cover [and most of the credited ones] and catch most signatures that way. I've found a slight angle [10-15°] works very well, with one light source. Cheers! ‡-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:32, 20 September 2010 (UTC)

Ipomoea / The Brass Dragon

Please join in this discussion about one of your verified pubs. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:55, 21 September 2010 (UTC)

We the Venusians/Water of Thought

Scanned in images for [this] and found a signature on the Saberhagen cover [bottom left corner], so added the artist credit. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:27, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Moorcock's Elric: The Stealer of Souls

Is the introduction on page ix of this book shortfiction? Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'll double check when I get home from work tonight, but I'm certain it should have been an essay and I've already changed it. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Maude vs Maud Gage Baum

Hi, can you doublecheck if Maud's name is really spelled "Maude" here? Thanks Jonschaper 04:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

In fact it is. It actually is listed as "Maude [sic] Gage Baum". I'll make the pseudonym relationship. Thanks for pointing it out. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:18, 15 October 2010 (UTC)


I added the cover artist and notes to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:17, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

Bradbury's "Interim" in Dark Carnival

Can you tell me the first sentence of this story in Dark Carnival? The title record is a mess because there may be at least three different Bradbury stories that have been published with this title. I would bet this isn't the Martian Chronicles piece. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:50, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

Also the description of the story "Interim" in Weird Tales (July 1947) is "Life starts, and ends, in darkness with movement and the lack of movement, the beginning and the end. [For after all, are not the secrets of life and death inextricably woven together?]" Could this also describe the story in Dark Carnival? Mhhutchins 03:53, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
I've merged the records for the story in Dark Carnival with that from Weird Tales. Let me know if I've mistaken and I'll remove the merge. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:15, 17 October 2010 (UTC)
The Story begins: "The rustle went through the land form one end to the other; and the land was not very large—being bounded on the east and west by poplars, sycamores and great oaks and shrubs, and held on north and south by wrought iron and mortared brick." The description certainly fits (it was only two pages, so I read it). However, I've got even better evidence that this story is the same as the one in Weird Tales. It is also included in this anthology which has an introduction stating ". . .has rarely been seen since its first Weird Tales publication in July 1947." I think you've got the right one's separated. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:05, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

The Outward Urge

Can you check this pub again? The notes say "Second printing", but i.m.o. it's the first printing, the second being published in 1964 (later printings agree with this). Thanks, --Willem H. 19:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)

We may have different printings. My states: "Published in Penguin Books 1962" followed by the line "reprinted 1962", which I take as meaning that there were at least two printings in 1962. Does yours have the same statements? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:39, 19 October 2010 (UTC)
Mine only states "Published in Penguin Books 1962", no reprint line. For the rest they're identical, so I cloned yours. Thanks for checking, --Willem H. 19:46, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

The three impostors or The transmutations (Edward Machen)

For your verified Roberts Brothers' edition, I found this scan on The page count is ok but all stories of John Lane's edition are included. I wait for your agreement before changing data (missing pagination, addition of the 2 short stories and modification of the note). Thanks. ChanurBe 20:07, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm uncertain that we should. I think the edition on is what Tuck refers to as the John Lane edition with the additional story, "The Decorative Imagination—Novel of the Iron Maid" Certainly, John Lane is on the title page along with Roberts Bros. Tuck specifically states "Prologue and 8 stories (5th omitted from the Roberts ed. and from Corgi ed. though mentioned in latter's forward by Julian Symons)" I would be surprised that Tuck got it wrong with so specific a statement. However, I'm open if you still disagree. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:46, 24 October 2010 (UTC)
I leave you the only judge but allow me to attract your attention to the following points:
  • A search in the British Library’s catalog gives this: the title “The Three Impostors, or the Transmutations”, the publisher “London : J. Lane, 1895”, physical description : “290 p. ; 8º”.
  • A search in the Library of Congress’catalog, can be found at this LCN with a page count of 215.
  • A search on Amicus (Catalogue National Canadien) give this description with a page count of 215 and a link to the original scan and this other description with a page count of 290.
  • On the scan, the page following the title page give “Copyright, 1985, by Roberts Brothers” and “University Press : John Wilson and Son, Cambridge, U.S.A.”
  • On the scan (, the page 218 and following give price in $ and editor as “Roberts Brothers, Boston, Mass.”
  • On the scan, they’re no differences between the TOC and the contents.
Thanks for reading this. ChanurBe 08:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
OK, you've convinced me that Tuck is mistaken. Perhaps it is only the Corgi edition that omits the story/stories and perhaps it states that it is based on the Robert Brothers edition. However, I'm only speculating here. I'd suggest that with your changes that we add a note stating what Tuck says, and that he is apparently wrong. I can add the note when you're done with your edits, unless you have enough information in this thread (or you have the Tuck Encyclopedia) and want to do it yourself. Good research! Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:17, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I have made search for this short story The Three Imposters in this publication The House of Souls. I found this scan on and I see that the "Short storie" will cover 185p.! This is the same text as the 1895's edition except that omit the story/stories (same as the Corgy's edition). The stories in this book are collected by the author (see note). You can modify the note of the Roberts Brothers' edition, you're more qualified. You can also have look to a The House of Souls, I'm not sure that I can link the ex-"short stories" The Three Imposters to the other. Thanks. ChanurBe 15:03, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
I've added the comment to the Roberts Bros. edition. Please let me know if it looks good to you.
It's good. Thanks. ChanurBe 21:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
It looks like you've got the edits for The House of Souls well in hand. You just need to merge the titles next. Let me know if you have any questions on how to do that. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:17, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
I have a problem with this pub. Can I do a variant of this pub with date to 1906 and eventualy join the Corgy's edition ? Thanks ChanurBe 21:06, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

(unindent) I don't think we really want to make a new variant relationship. What we want is this title to be a contained collection in The House of Souls. While we could include the Corgi collection instead, I think it is better to go with the collection as named in The House of Souls. I've looked, and the contained collection is already there. The next step is to merge the contained collection with the existing variant title. Unfortunately, since one of them is already a variant, it won't show up in the "Check for Duplicate Titles" link. What you need to do is use "Show All Titles". You'll have to page through until you find both the "The Three Impostors" Collection records (there is an Omnibus with the same title). Check the two collection titles and then the "Merge Selected Records" button. You should be done then. You won't be able to see the contained collection when you view The House of Souls (unless you open it for edit), but you should see The House of Souls when looking at The Three Impostors or its parent. I hope my explanation makes sense. Please feel free to ask additional questions if I haven't explained something well enough. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:47, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Blade of Conan

Expanded the notes slightly for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:58, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Verification of R. A. MacAvoy's "Damiano"

You are the verifier of a 1984 edition of Damiano. There is another 1984 edition of the same book listed under the title entry. It has all the same data as your verification copy, except that the publication date is "Jan. 1984" instead of "1984". My guess is that these two copies are the same, you should add "Jan." to your verified publication date, and then the other edition should be deleted. Chavey 05:03, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Take a look at the note on my copy. It is actually a second printing and couldn't have been printed before April 1984 based on the ads. The January, 1984 printing is the first printing, so they are different. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:44, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
My bad! I should have noticed that. On the other hand, it means I should verify the Jan. '84 edition. Chavey 18:02, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

The Death of Augusta

Yesterday, I started this discussion that includes The Death of Augusta which appears in Amazons!. This morning, I noticed that is actually a verified publication so it would be good to have your input as a verifier. --JLaTondre 15:21, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

Added cover credit

I added cover credit to your verified [38].Don Erikson 20:05, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Gollancz change submissions

Hey Ron, there are five or so aging submissions from User:P-Brane wanting to change the combination of Orion and Gollancz on verified pubs of yours to just Gollancz. I've been leaving them for you. The editor has been active in this discussion, so you shouldn't have to lay any groundwork for whichever way you want to go with them. Thanks. --MartyD 12:18, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Added cover credit

I added cover credit to your verified edition of [39].Don Erikson 23:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Added cover credit

I added cover credit to your verified edition of [40].Don Erikson 23:39, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

Elenore vs. Elanore Plaisted Abbott

Is the artist's first name actually spelled "Elanore" in this pub? It's pretty clearly the same person as this, so if "Elanore" was used in the Baum Bugle, I think a pseudonym needs to be created. Thanks, BrendanMoody 20:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

My mistake. Thanks for catching it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:11, 16 November 2010 (UTC)

Margaret St. Clair's Island of the Hands

You have verified this pub which contains The Island of the Hands and you have verified this pub which contains Island of the Hands. Before I made the former a variant of the later, I wanted to double check the presence/absence of the "The". Thanks. --JLaTondre 00:27, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes, they are both as listed. I went ahead and made the variant relationship. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Brian Lumley's Kiss of the Lamia

Please see this discussion. Thanks. --JLaTondre 00:35, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

Footprints on Sand by the de Camps

I've added a note to this pub based on info from Locus #247 (August 1981). Mhhutchins 05:05, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

The Revised H. P. Lovecraft Bibliography

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here and adjusted page count. Hauck 17:31, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

W. W. Denslow's Dorothy's Christmas Tree

You verified a pub which contains "Dorothy's Christmas Tree". You have also verified four pubs which contain Dorothy's Christmas Tree (no quotes). Before I made a variant, I wanted to double check the presence/absence of the quotes and also, assuming they are truly variants, check if you knew which one was the original format. Thanks. --JLaTondre 22:47, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

I should have made the variant relationship when I entered this magazine, since it includes both titles. The story without the quotes is the original. In the issue that has both, it includes the story with the quotes which has been typeset in the magazine. On the next page, they repeat the entire story as it appeared in its original newspaper publication (as a facsimile). Go ahead an make the title with the quotes a variant of the other. I'll also add the newspaper publication. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:27, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Submitted the variant change. Thanks. --JLaTondre 03:03, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Manly Wade Wellman's The Letters of Cold Fire

You verified a pub which contains Letters of Cold Fire. You have also verified three other pubs which contain The Letters of Cold Fire. Before I made the former a variant of the later, I wanted to double check the absence of the "The". Thanks. --JLaTondre 22:53, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Lonely Vigils should have included the "The". I've merged the titles. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:39, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Kathleen Sorbello Di Scenna vs DiScenna

Hi, I noticed Kathleen's surname has been entered both with and without a space. Cheers Jonschaper 00:59, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

There is a variation between the publications, and it took me a while to locate this discussion. I've taken the first appearance as canonical, not having anything else to go on. I doubt we'll see any other writings by this author, but you never know. I've got a stack of Oziana fanzines to enter after I'm done with The Baum Bugles that I have. Thanks for pointing it out. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:25, 29 November 2010 (UTC)


You've Primary-Verified (along with others) Five-Odd, which currently has a note of "Source of cover art attribution not known.". I think I have the same edition, and mine says "Cover Painting by John Schoenherr" on the back cover. It is over-priced with a 3/6 edition for the British market, but that statement seems clearly printed on the book itself, which still claims to be printed in the USA. Do I have a different printing or did someone not look on the back cover? BLongley 23:37, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

Mine does have the artist credit on the back though no over pricing. Alas, I'm sometimes a little sloppy when taking the 2nd or later primary. I see you've got one other response. I'll let you proceed when you hear from the last one. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:29, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Shuttered Room and Other Pieces

You are the verifier for this 1959 Lovecraft anthology. In Price's book The Tsathoggua Cycle, the author claims that there is an untitled piece by Clark Ashton Smith which is the first appearance of an essay From the Parchment of Pnom that we have listed elsewhere. I was hoping you could check this and see if this is the poem you have listed by Smith in that anthology, or if it is some other item that didn't get included in the contents. Chavey 06:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

That was tricky. It's certainly not the poem. I do have a copy of this publication which also contains the essay. It Smith essay is quoted (in its entirety) as part of this essay. Smith is given credit. The longer essay gives several authors' account of various mythos books or gods from a number of sources. Smith's is just one of those. I'm not sure if we should just add a note to the Cockcroft title, or add an untitled variant to The Shuttered Room with a note that it is contained in the larger essay. The second question is whether the Essay in The Tsathoggua Cycle with Price's additions is enough different that we shouldn't make a variant. What are your thoughts? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:50, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

A Treasury of Fantasy ed. by Wilkins

According to the listing in Locus #248 (September 1981), the publisher's suggested price for this "instant remainder" was $7.98. (I understand that most of these books do not actually have a printed price.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:36, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I've added a note. Does Locus describe it as an "instant remainder"? If so, I'll add that to the note. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:58, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, it does. I understand that the publisher is the "instant remainder" imprint of Crown Publishers. (I've always wondered: do the publishers themselves have a more euphemistically better name than "instant remainder"?) Mhhutchins 15:32, 29 November 2010 (UTC)
I figured it did. I've got a friend who is in contact with Stephen Dziemianowicz, who has edited an number of these sorts of anthologies. I'll drop him a note and see if he knows or can find out. Anyway, note updated. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:00, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Seven Trips Through Time and Space

Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:07, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

Zelazny's Last Defender of Camelot

Can you verify that the two Denmark stories in this edition are actually credited to "Harrison Denmark"? I have the book club edition and the stories are credited to Zelazny. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:18, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

I didn't catch these when I verified. Both stories are preceded by an short introductory paragraph where Zelazny states that he used the "Harrison Denmark" pseudonym when he wrote the story. I don't really think that qualifies. The stories aren't really individually credited. Since you didn't leave a note on Scott Latham's talk page, I assume that he is inactive. I'll swap the stories if you concur. Or feel free to do it if you'd prefer. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:08, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Yes, Scott has been missing in action several years now. I'll make the changes as the same mistake is made on several editions of this title. It looks like a case of cloning. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:53, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

The Not-World

Added interior art [only the frontispiece had been noted] to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:01, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Journey to the Center of the Earth

Hi! Could you please check whether Journey to the Center of the Earth indeed hasn't got "A". There is a duplicate title that claims that it's A Journey to the Center of the Earth. Thanks! P-Brane 05:24, 30 November 2010 (UTC).

There is no "A" on the title page. I suspect the other title is a mistake. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:39, 30 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks!!! I'll start the deletion process. P-Brane 22:04, 30 November 2010 (UTC).
Hi, P-Brane. I corrected the links that you gave above. (The second pub was subsequently deleted.) The template for publications is {{P|<pub ID>|<name>}}. You had used "T" instead of "P". Also you don't have to add "name=" in the name space. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:58, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

de Camp's Heroes and Hobgoblins

Is there a printed price on the Donald Grant edition of this title? (Did Grant ever print the price on his editions?) The listing in Locus #251 (December 1981) gives the price as $25.00. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:32, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Mine is price clipped. I recall that I ordered it directly from Grant. I recently ordered this from W. Paul Ganley still in its shrink wrap. Upon opening it, it was price clipped, so DMG may do that at the factory. Anyway, back to the de Camp. There is an ad on the back flap for Ealdwood by C. J. Cherryh and it has a $25 price above the ad which is the only price listed anywhere in the book. Chalker and Owings list the price as $20. It's still available from DMG for $25. I don't know that DMG raises their prices as much of their back list is quite inexpensive. C&O has a reputation for having mistakes, and this may be one of them. That may have been where I got the price, or it was already in the record when I got to it. I'll go ahead and update citing Locus with a note that C&O disagree. I also spot checked a few of the later Grants and they do have prices. I checked some of the King Dark Tower books, de Camps autobiography and a Charles Grant book and they are all priced. However, I know for a fact that none of the Conan books have prices. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:20, 14 December 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I don't have one Grant book in my whole library, so I wasn't sure how he handled prices. Thanks for the clarification. Mhhutchins 03:23, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

The Monk

Hi, about this edition of The Monk that you've verified. I think it would be more correct to put publisher as OUP and World's Classics as Pub. Series. What do you think? Cheers, P-Brane 04:18, 16 December 2010 (UTC).

Publisher as Oxford University Press, to be precise! P-Brane 04:19, 16 December 2010 (UTC).
Agreed, and I've made the change. I've got a number of these, I'll have to go through and find them. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:04, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
Great! Thanks! Btw, found another copy of the Monk. Cheers. P-Brane 12:28, 16 December 2010 (UTC).

Half in Shadow, Mary Elizabeth Counselman

I added a credit for interior art, for the frontispiece art, to your verified publication. Chavey 05:01, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Editor for "Binary Star #4"

I've added an editor credit for your verified pub. You had this listed as "uncredited", but reading the Introduction, I realized that it actually told us who the editor was. The last paragraph of the intro reads "The final difference between this book and all previous Binary Stars is the inclusion of an Introduction by the editor. We welcome your comments and suggestions about this and other Binary Star books. -- James R. Frenkel, New York City." Jim was just telling me in October that he had been trying to get his name into all of the books he edited, and here was an example! Chavey 06:28, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

I don't think we should change the existing record since he isn't credited on the title page. What I would suggest instead is that we create a variant of the title record with the editor credited. Generally, we go with what is reflected on the title page. By creating a variant title, we preserve the fact that he isn't credited except in the introduction, yet still show that we know who edited the book. I've placed your edit on hold. If you're comfortable creating the variant relationship, go ahead and re-submit and I'll reject the first edit. If not, I can walk you through it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:43, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
Variants of Frenkel as editor of the Binary Star anthologies have existed for quite some time now. Mhhutchins 18:39, 17 December 2010 (UTC)
And I see that there's a link from R. Frenkel James R. Frenkel to "Binary Star #4" already, and a link from Binary Star #4 to the variant that lists Jim as the editor. So it looks like my work here is already done, and I can go be confused by some other book! (I've cancelled the submission.) Chavey 21:21, 17 December 2010 (UTC)

Forgotten Fantasy

When you get a chance please read this exchange about Forgotten Fantasy for which you've verified the five issues. I've also placed the submissions on hold. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:54, 18 December 2010 (UTC)

Publication month for Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature

Robertreginald has changed the publication month (and augmented the notes in regard to the date) in your verified Science Fiction and Fantasy Literature. Figuring he's a rather authoritative source, I accepted the submission.... --MartyD 13:30, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

Basically, I've kept meticulous track of when my publications actually appeared over the last four decades, so my dates are about as good as you're going to find, even when they seem to conflict with "official" pub dates. Among other things, I penciled in the actual receipt dates of the first copies of many of my titles on the front flyleaf or first page of the volumes in question. For the modern rendition of Borgo Press / Wildside Press books, I have the actual printers' records to consult, as to when titles were released for public sale. This often differs from the dates shown on sources like, sometimes by as much as a year or more, because and the other online booksellers employ the dates the books are SUBMITTED to the printers, picking up those dates from the printing records--but if there are any delays whatsoever in actually getting a book into press, they have no way of catching such things. The first Wildside Double was submitted in the summer of 2009, but because we had issues getting the book set up properly (it being the first book that we submitted in such a configuration), it didn't actually appear until the end of January 2010--although the internal imprint information in the book itself stated "2009." Nevertheless, "2010" was the correct date of release. Robertreginald 17:49, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Chrysalis 8

Locus #256 (May 1982) has this pub as a March, 1982 publication. I changed the publication date from 000-00-00 to 1982-03-00, and added a note. Hope you can agree, --Willem H. 20:51, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

The Mark of the Beast

Hello! Locus has Richard Carr as cover artist in this pub. Could you please check? Thanks. P-Brane 03:53, 21 December 2010 (UTC).

I'll add a note, but I don't think Richard Carr refers to the artist. The credit is "Cover designed by Richard Carr" which other books in the series (e.g. The Conan Chronicles Volume 1, below) list in precisely the same manner in addition to a cover artist ("Illustration by"). The Kipling book does not credit an illustrator, so I'm going to leave this in the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

The Conan Chronicles Volume 1

Hi, again! Could you please check this pub for the publisher info. Millenium imprint was shut down earlier, about 2000; weird to have it on 2004 book. My copy says:

This edition first published in Great Britain in 2000
An imprint of the Orion Publishing Group
Orion House, 5 Upper St Martin's Lane, London, WC2H, 9EA
Third impression February 2003
An imprint of the Orion Publishing Group

The last two lines refer, of course, to Gollancz, not Millenium. The book has Gollancz on the back cover and Gollancz logo (G in star) elsewhwere. Thanks! P-Brane 05:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC).

I've made the change and left a note on Unapersson's talk page since she is the primary verifier. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:35, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

Leiber's Swords and Deviltry

According to the listing in Locus #255 (April 1982).this appeared in February 1982. It also states this is the "seventh or ninth Ace printing, depending on which numbers you believe." Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)

I could do this, but I'm thinking that it is more likely the ninth printing that is described. We have records for the 6th printing as 8/79 (my 7th includes all prior printing dates). We have a record for the 13th printing as 5/83. If my 7th is 2/82, there would have to have been 5 additional printings between 2/82 and 5/83 and no printings between 8/79 and 2/82. If we assume Locus refers to the 9th then there would be 3 printings between 2/82 and 5/83 and 2 between 8/79 and 2/82. The distribution assuming the 9th seems more likely to me. I've also got a theory as to why they state "seventh or ninth". As I alluded, mine has a full printing history of the first six printings. It then has a number line indicating the 7th. Perhaps, for the 8th and 9th printings, they didn't alter the printing history of the first six, but did alter the number line (scraping a number off the plate, as I believe it used to be done). That could explain why Locus sees an ambiguous printing number. It would also more evidence that my copy was printed earlier. If we don't get a blizzard after Christmas, I had intended to go to a rather good used book store. I'll try to remember to see if they have any printings in the range that could shed further light on this. Let me know if you think my theories sound likely. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:17, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
Very reasonable explanation. I wondered what they meant by "seventh or ninth". Eventually (or not), we'll have to come to an understanding that some printings of this title are incorrectly stated, and impose our own order, if that's possible. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:13, 23 December 2010 (UTC)
I've disproved half of the explanation. Part of what is taking me so long in organizing the library after moving last may is merging libraries with that of my partner. This is a title we both owned, and I retrieved his from the discard pile. It's an 8th by the number line and has no previous printing history. I've added an undated record. We'll have to see if I can track down the 9th. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

The Dispossessed

Hi, Ron! Could you please also check this pub for the publisher data. The situation is similar to "Conan": Millenium is stated as publisher, but I believe it should be Gollancz (or Gollancz / Orion), because of the year (2004). Thanks! P-Brane 23:33, 21 December 2010 (UTC).

Done. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:20, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Verified pub: The Sword is Forged

I added the month of publication, as listed on the copyright page, to your verified pub The Sword is Forged, by Evangeline Walton. Chavey 15:52, 22 December 2010 (UTC)

The Circus of Dr. Lao and Other Improbable Stories

I added the cover artist (from the signature) and notes to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:11, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Clark Ashton Smith's The Theft of Thirty-Nine Girdles

You verified this pub which contains The Theft of Thirty-Nine Girdles. The other printings of this story are titled The Theft of the Thirty-Nine Girdles (including one in another pub which you verified). Would you mind double checking that the first version doesn't have the second "the" before I make a variant record? Thanks. --JLaTondre 23:45, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Ugh. This one is a bit of a mess. All my verified pubs, with the exception of one, are simply "The Theft of Thirty-Nine Girdles" including Tales of Science and Sorcery, Hyperborea and The Emperor of Dreams. However, The Last Hieroglyph does have the variant "The Theft of the Thirty-Nine Girdles". I suspect that most of the others are wrong and it may be difficult to track down Unapersson who has verified some of the others. I can correct my pubs, if you'd like. But it looks like we definitely need a variant relationship. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:04, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
Please go ahead with the changes. I don't have those books so it would be best if you fo it. Thanks. --JLaTondre 14:10, 24 December 2010 (UTC)

Dragonsbane, by Barbara Hambly

I added a content item to your verified Dragonsbane, for the "About the Author" at the end of the book. It seemed to contain enough material of biographical interest to justify noting it. Chavey 06:33, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Marune: Alastor 933

Hi Ron, you have verified (primary3) this pub. One of the notes say "Both verification copies printed in Canada". My copy of the book is printed in the USA, so I think there should be a separate record for it (this seems to be general practice these days). Was yours printed in Canada or the USA? Thanks, --Willem H. 20:50, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to take so long to respond. My copy, is actually the US printing. We should have separate records for each printing. If you want to go ahead and clone the record. I'll take the secondary verification when you're done. Or let me know if you'd like me to clone the publication. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:07, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
I have no problem with waiting a few days. Cloned the canadian edition, result is here. Add any notes you want. Thanks, --Willem H. 11:19, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

Clark Ashton Smith Questions

I have several more Clark Ashton Smith questions for you:

For each of these, I wanted to check if these were variants (is the presence/absence of "The" correct?, are the same same stories?, etc.). I will also leave a note for Swfritter pointing him to this discussion. Thanks. --JLaTondre 13:55, 30 December 2010 (UTC)

"The Tale of Sir John Maundeville" is listed that way in my pub, both on ToC and title page of story. The same publication lists “The Kingdom of the Worm” as the original title.--swfritter 14:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
  • "(A) Murder in the Fourth Dimension". Both are as listed and I've created the variant relationship. I've got a reference for the original magazine appearance in Amazing Detective Tales and will add that soon. It appears not to have the "A".
  • "(The) Lemurienne". Also verified in this pub. The poem is identical. I'm never sure if the date of a variant title should be the date of the original appearance under any title, or the date of the appearance as the variant. I suspect the later, so I am going to leave the dates alone. Chime in if you disagree.
  • "The Shadows" vs "Shadows". Two completely different poems. "The Shadows" is actually a prose poem, a form which I list a poems. I'll add notes so that no one attempts to merge them.
  • John Maundeville. This one is also correct as listed and the copyright page does mention the original title. I've made the variant relationship.
Thanks for finding these. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:59, 31 December 2010 (UTC)