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Baum Bugle Spring 1984

Can you scan a higher resolution version of the cover of this? I think the romanization is wrong on at least one of the names. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:02, 3 January 2018 (EST)

Sent to your email address. Let me know if there are any issues. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:35, 4 January 2018 (EST)
Thanks, I'll review the info. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:47, 4 January 2018 (EST)

Modest Stein vs P. J. Monahan

Hi, in your verified copy of Edgar Rice Burroughs: The Bibliography there is an interior illustration of a 1915 cover All-Story Cavalier Weekly, January 23, 1915 (cover), attributed to Modest Stein. The All-Story Cavalier Weekly, January 23, 1915 original is clearly signed 'Monahan' in the left lower corner.--Dirk P Broer 07:41, 5 January 2018 (EST)

The credit in the Zeuschner book is incorrect. I've marked the error in the cleanup report to be ignored and added a note that the credit is ultimately mistaken. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:38, 6 January 2018 (EST)

Tuck verification

You "Tuck" verified this publication of Tarzan and the Castaways. I've added a "Bibliographic Note" by Lupoff to the contents. Is this something Tuck might not have noted or something to be investigated? Doug H 16:27, 8 January 2018 (EST)

Tuck doesn't necessarily go into that much detail and doesn't in this case. Regardless, you're copy in hand would trump anything from a secondary source. I've approved your edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:38, 8 January 2018 (EST)
More a case of copy was in hand, made notes and put it away and am working from notes. Just checking if I needed to pull the copy out again. Doug H 08:27, 9 January 2018 (EST)

Moon Men

[This] post has one section that might affect one record of an edition you have. --~ Bill, Bluesman 13:49, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Thanks. I moved my verification to the correct printing. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:24, 18 January 2018 (EST)

Bram Stoker Awards

I have finished submitting the new pubs and new awards that you didn't get to yet. Also, I am 99% sure that The Fourth Monkey and The Wardrobe Mistress are non-genre and I submitted untitled awards for them. --Vasha 01:37, 19 January 2018 (EST)

Return of Tarzan

This is mostly a notice of note updates and image replacement but a bit more. For this pub, you have a transient verification. I replaced the Amazon image with a scan, added printing history to the notes but also changed the catalog from 02702 to 22702, and made it the ISBN as SBN's were in use then. The existing entry matched the printing number(7), price and date and cover. As best we know, only the 6th printing had catalog 02702. Doug H 23:30, 20 January 2018 (EST)

Edgar Rice Burroughs: The Bibliography

The cover for Edgar Rice Burroughs: The Bibliography is entered as Argosy, August 23, 1941. However, the images don't match. I would have just unmerged them, but I noticed that the Argosy cover is also in the publication as interior art. Made me wonder if the cover was an import error and the Finlay credit wasn't correct. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:01, 21 January 2018 (EST)

I don't know how those titles got into that state. I didn't intentionally add a cover to the bibliography, since the jacket is a photograph. Somehow the title record for the COVERART for that issue of Argosy was added to the bibliography, and the COVERART record for the magazine got converted to an INTERIORART record. In any case, I think I've sorted them out. Thanks for letting me know. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:15, 21 January 2018 (EST)

KJ Kabza

Since you verified the Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction for November-December 2015, could you please confirm that KJ Kabza's name is in fact printed without periods between the intials there? --Vasha 17:09, 22 January 2018 (EST)

His initials appear without periods in that issue. Given our standards, I can see why his name appears with the periods. FictionMags has his name credited both ways (e.g. here but I've no idea common either variation is. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:10, 22 January 2018 (EST)
I have checked every single publication (using previews or publisher websites -- but left queries for verifiers) and the appearances in Beneath Ceaseless Skies are the only ones that use periods. Plus, the author's website is without periods.
As soon as I gather some data, I am going to post to R&S and ask for an explicit policy for having the use of periods be whatever the author's own preference is (especially if it's that way in a plurality of publications). Right now, things are inconsistent. --Vasha 20:03, 22 January 2018 (EST)

A Girl in White

I changed the story on page 261 of this pub from "The Girl in White" to "A Girl in White", based on the scan linked in the pub notes. The scan shows it as "A". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:08, 28 January 2018 (EST)

"The Mary-Jane Effect"

I've looked at the website of Wily Writers, and it seems they routinely print all titles in quotes. So I think the record for "The Mary-Jane Effect" should not have quotes in the database. --Vasha 08:27, 29 January 2018 (EST)

I completely disagree. We reflect the title as published. If there were a print anthology that listed all of its contents with quotation marks around the titles, we would reflect the quotation marks in the title records, creating variants when necessary. Whether the quotation marks were added by the publisher or the author doesn't matter, the story was published with quotation marks around the title. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:47, 29 January 2018 (EST)
That... seems weird. Can you point me to a place where it's specified in policy? To me, it seems analogous to (say) a case where the anthology prints all the titles without capital letters -- we don't follow that. --Vasha 20:44, 29 January 2018 (EST)
It's in this section. There is a specific exception to normalize capitalization and with quotes, we don't distinguish between single and double quotes. However, the main rule is to record the title as it appears (in the case of short fiction) on the heading page for the story. Let me suggest another way of looking at it: If we were to ignore the quotation marks because the publisher always prints their titles with them, how would we know whether the author intended the title to be quoted or not? It's always been our rule to record the title exactly as it appears in the publication with a very small number of exceptions which are listed in that help section. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:20, 29 January 2018 (EST)
OK, it really does no harm; the story can still be found this way, and we've merely recorded that in its (so far) only publication, it appeared in a rather unusual variant printing. --Vasha 21:28, 29 January 2018 (EST)

Antoni Garcés

In your publication Seventy-Five: The Diamond Anniversary of a Science Fiction Pioneer you have the artist Antoni Garcés recorded as "Antoni Garces." Could you check if the accent is there in the book or not, and make a note? Thanks! --Vasha 19:49, 31 January 2018 (EST)

No diacritical marks in the credit. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:34, 31 January 2018 (EST)

Shortfiction or essay

Hi, Ron! I presume that this title may be an ESSAY? Christian Stonecreek 13:38, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Sure. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:44, 1 February 2018 (EST)

The Best of John W. Campbell (1976)

When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion re: your verified The Best of John W. Campbell (1976) ? TIA! Ahasuerus 09:53, 3 February 2018 (EST)

The Sorceress of Rome

Hi, Ron. Happy New Year.

You verified The Sorceress of Rome 1st ed. from Bleiler and Reginald. Do you know whether all of the works from those sources have been entered in the database?

Anyway, I wonder whether they say anything, perhaps in The Sorceress entry, about the first and third books of "Mr. Gallizier's Italian trilogy". There I refer to newspaper coverage of its sequel The Court of Lucifer. From a glance at one e-copy at HathiTrust (I'll return) and one newspaper review, I wonder whether it is straight historical fiction. Or whether it, or the trilogy, is considered alternative history perhaps because its revision is so severe.

(I depart with TitleUpdate in the queue for each of those novels, adding Notes from that newspaper coverage.) --Pwendt|talk 21:31, 7 February 2018 (EST)

Happy New Year to you too!
Neither Bleiler78 nor Reginald have been completely entered. However, I was able to look up The Court of Lucifer and it is in Reginald, but not in Bleiler78. I also checked Bleiler's The Guide to Supernatural Fiction and it only has an entry on The Sorceress of Rome. However that entry mentions the The Court of Lucifer: "The author wrote several other, similar historical novels, some more or less interlocked in the subject matter, but with less supernaturalism: THE COURT OF LUCIFER (1910); UNDER THE WITCHES' MOON (1917), etc."
While it does say less supernaturalism, it doesn't say none. Apparently it was enough for Reginald to include both those titles. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:08, 7 February 2018 (EST)

Alice illustrations

Hi, Ron. You verified our record of the 150th Anniversary Deluxe Annotated Alice P558606 558606. What is the criterion for "unknown" and empty, thus 2015, dates of the INTERIORART titles? Should the empty/2015 mean that the publications states the works to be original to this edition? I see that you have not used empty/2015 to represent 2015 publication of an older work under a new title, as the 150th must use titles of the two novels that differ from those under which numerous of the older illustrations were published.

Probably Walker T1967802 and Weisgard T1968817 are in the database as 2015 by oversight. I have assembled some information on their 1907 Wonderland and 1949 omnibus editions and expect to add them if I find them in newspapers, or anyway. (Done for the day.) --Pwendt|talk 14:17, 14 February 2018 (EST)

I think I understand your question. Your use of "empty" is a little confusing. I expect that you mean the date is not showing in the publication record for the Annotated Alice. That is the case for all publications where the contained title records match that of the container. Those that show no date, are dated 2015. The rule for dating the interior artwork is to date it with the first appearance with the particular title or with that particular form of the artist's name. With the Walker piece, it does look like it should have the 1907 date and I've changed it. For the Weisgard, I wasn't able to determine how Through the Looking-Glass and What Alice Found There was titled in the omnibus and thus could not determine if the artwork appeared with that title earlier. For the other titles that show with an unknown date (0000-00-00), I set that date because I was fairly certain that those titles were published earlier, but I couldn't determine what the original date of publication was. Hope that helps. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:24, 14 February 2018 (EST)
Follow-up question before getting back to Walker and Weisgard editions.
Concerning these two (not the only) John Tenniel INTERIORART contents of the book --563437 and 1533457 (variant of same title with comma)-- have you entered these two composite works rather than "The Annotated Alice: 150th Anniversary Deluxe Edtion[sic]" 2015 INTERIORART by John Tenniel because [1] the book contains separate interior title pages for the two novels, which separately credit Tenniel illustrations for the two component novels; and [2] it doesn't contain any omnibus title page that credits Tenniel for the omnibus?
(At the moment we have 5 variations on Tenniel INTERIORART for Alice-omnibus titles, if you know what I mean T788341. I don't know their title pages. For Weisgard this page, near bottom, provides image states "with illustrations by Leonard Weisgard" under the omnibus title.) --Pwendt|talk 21:21, 19 February 2018 (EST)
Yes, those illustrations take the title of the novels contained in the omnibus as each title appears on the novel's title page. This is within the standards. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:13, 21 February 2018 (EST)

Ron, For the 1949 omnibus illustrated by Weisgard: [1] This page near the bottom shows the omnibus-title page ("and", no hyphen); and [2] this one shows evidently the interior title page of the second novel (long title, no hyphen). [3a] Probably there is no internal title page for the first novel, as one WorldCat record reports the 2nd frontispiece/title only. The omnibus title contains the full title of the first novel, however, and I now submit the omnibus on that basis; also [3b] with three INTERIORART by Weisgard rather than two, and follow-up on that later.
(By the way this page probably shows the front cover.) --Pwendt|talk 19:22, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

I've made the Weisgard title a variant based on your research. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:37, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

Dragons, Elves and Heroes

In your verified publication Dragons, Elves and Heroes, the author of "The Horns of Elfland" on p. 275 is given as "Lord Alfred Tennyson." However, online sources show it as "Alfred Lord Tennyson." Could you check which it is and change it if necessary? Thanks! --Vasha 22:00, 19 February 2018 (EST)

Addendum, still about Tennyson: do you mind if I remove all the nongenre content from Idylls of the King and a Selection of Poems? --Vasha 04:51, 20 February 2018 (EST)

I've corrected "The Horns of Elfland". You can go ahead and remove nongenre poems, but only those that you are certain would not be eligible. I find poetry especially difficult to classify as to its supernatural content and allusions. If you're at all uncertain, pleas leave it in the collection. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:20, 21 February 2018 (EST)
I believe "Break, Break, Break," "The Eagle (fragment)," "Tears, Idle Tears," "Ask Me No More," "Now Sleeps the Crimson Petal," "The Daisy", "Flower in the Crannied Wall," and "To Virgil" (links to text) can't possibly qualify. As for "The Poet," in which a variety of metaphors for the stirring effect of the poet's words include personifying Freedom as a goddess... well, I suppose someone might conceivably argue for keeping it, so it might as well stay... --Vasha 00:13, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Norse Mythology

Hi. You are one of four who verified the 1st ed. 1st printing P605192. Momentarily I submit correction of the publisher moniker "Norton", which be eliminated from the database on approval.

Do you know the meaning of "Cover artist credited on dc"? Not the back cover if its image at Amazon is correct. The 6th printing verifier doesn't know.

(I notify the first 3 of 4 verifiers identically.) --Pwendt|talk 13:17, 22 February 2018 (EST)

I don't think I added that note, but the credit is on the back flap of the jacket. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:57, 22 February 2018 (EST)

The Mastermind of Mars

I've been told that there are two variants to this Ace pub of The Mastermind of Mars - one with 11 ads (F-156 to F-182) on the last page and one with 22 (F-156 to F-213). I have the latter variant. If you have the first, I'll create another entry and update this one. Otherwise we can leave it as unspecified until we find one. Thanks. Doug H 15:21, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Don had the one with 11, so I'll update this version to say 11 and create one with 22. You can adjust your verification as you see fit. Doug H 16:54, 22 February 2018 (EST)
That works. Mine has the 11 books listed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:59, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Titan's Daughter (Complete Novel)

Hi, Ron! From the German edition it seems that this title is only a novella. It's in here. Do you have the time to take a check on it? Christian Stonecreek 12:33, 24 February 2018 (EST)

I've put it through a word count estimator and it comes out at about 48,300 words, well into the novel length. This also agrees with how Miller/Contento classify it. I am aware that translations can change the word count significantly and it is possible that the German edition is simply shorter. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:55, 24 February 2018 (EST)
Many thanks, Ron! Christian Stonecreek 00:06, 25 February 2018 (EST)

Publication date of The View from the Cheap Seats

Hi, Ron! Shouldn't be the day of publication for this be the same (2016-05-31) as for this one with the same ISBN (or are they even possibly the same)? Christian Stonecreek 05:00, 1 March 2018 (EST)

It's got a signature page stating "This signed edition has been specially bound by the publisher" which I believe would qualify it as a separate publication record, unless they were all issued that way. As far as the date, I don't have any evidence of a more specific date than the 2016 date from the number line. I don't know that it was issued on the same day that Amazon gives for the trade edition. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:16, 1 March 2018 (EST)
Naah, they won't have been all signed. Thanks for the explanation. Christian Stonecreek 08:43, 1 March 2018 (EST)

The Baum Bugle, Autumn 1963 (cover)

Should this be INTERIORART instead of ESSAY? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:53, 4 March 2018 (EST)

And should this be INTERIORART instead of SHORTFICTION? -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:54, 4 March 2018 (EST)

And one more. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:56, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:30, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Polaris - of the Snows

Sorry to bother you about something as trivial as punctuation, but could you check inside Under the Moons of Mars, page 78, and see how the title of "Polaris" is printed? I think it ought to be changed to "Polaris—of the Snows" in Famous Fantastic Mysteries and All-Story Weekly to reflect how it is printed on the covers, and I'd like to know if it's printed with an m-dash in Under the Moons of Mars too. --Vasha 20:26, 9 March 2018 (EST)

No hyphen or dash at all. I've corrected the title. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:01, 9 March 2018 (EST)
I've also corrected the version in FFM which can be seen here which has two hyphens. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:10, 9 March 2018 (EST)
Thanks. I just changed the illustration titles in FFM too. --Vasha 22:52, 9 March 2018 (EST)

Three to Conquer

Three to Conquer; this has a Publication Date of ‘1963-09-00”. The Copyright page only has "Published in Penguin Books 1963", do you know where the Publication Month came from? --AndyjMo 06:59, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

Astounding April 1938

Hi, Have submitted a change for "Democracy" to be the editorial for the issue: "Detail--etc." is an uncredited science filler. Regards, Paul Fraser 19:16, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

Amazing Stories Quarterly, Fall 1930

This conversation is regarding your verified pub. I've already responded to it so don't think anything more is needed, but just wanted to provide a FYI since you verified it. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:24, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

Thanks, and I agree with your conclusion. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:29, 18 March 2018 (EDT)
I do want to modify the Notes then to unambiguously state that the contents page in this issue lists "A. Mackinnon, H.K. Fly, Publishers" at the top, and Radio-Science Publications, Inc. in the indicia. PatConolly 12:12, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

"Changes to verified pubs to lower the clutter"

I see that you have created this Wiki page "for changes to verified pubs to lower the clutter". Did you mean to create it as a top-level Wiki page or as a sub-page of your User page or of some other Wiki page? Ahasuerus 12:21, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

That was created from a link from the header note on Rkihara's talk page. I did find it odd that that the link was creating a new page but I figured he had archived it recently. I'll drop a note on his talk page letting him know that his link is pointing to the main wiki space. I'll also reiterate my note to him so that we can delete the errant page that was created. Sorry I didn't pay more attention to the name of the new page. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:32, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

J. C. Leyendecker vs Frank X. Leyendecker

Hi, in your verified copy of A Deal in Wheat and Other Stories of the New and Old West there is interior art 'Sell a Thousand May at One-Fifty,' Vociferated the Bear Broker by a Leyendecker. Based upon this I have changed the attribution to J. C. Leyendecker into one to Frank X. Leyendecker.--Dirk P Broer 22:48, 18 March 2018 (EDT)

Prince of Peril (cover)

On page 639 of Art of Imagination, is Prince of Peril (cover) which currently varianted to a coverart record without any pubs. Would this artwork happen to match this cover? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:43, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

They are and I've merged the titles. I can only guess that someone must have changed the cover art record for the title, perhaps to change it to the pseudonym. In any case, it correct now. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:42, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

A Fighting Man Of Mars

It's a bit of a stretch, but I hope you can help. You uploaded an image for this publication of A Fighting Man of Mars about 6 years ago, but did not verify it. I am aware of a similar publication that was printed in Canada, but not one from the US. Any chance of some clarification? Thanks. ../Doug H 12:42, 27 March 2018 (EDT)

I don't recall. However, I was able to find it in the recent Zeuschner bibliography which also had the month of publication. The cover scan clearly has both US and Canadian prices, though I can't tell if the Canada price is $5.99 or $6.99. Both Zeuschner and Worldcat list this as the New York based Ballantine. I would guess that a Canadian printing would be a separate edition. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:19, 27 March 2018 (EDT)
The only way to tell a Canadian printing from a US one is the statement "Printed in Canada" on the copyright page. Canadian printings usually have their covers printed in the USA. Does the Zeuschner make any reference to the Canadian editions? ../Doug H 22:27, 27 March 2018 (EDT)
No, I had checked and he doesn't. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:42, 28 March 2018 (EDT)

The Shape of Fear, and Other Ghostly Tales

Would you please take a look at the pub notes on The Shape of Fear, and Other Ghostly Tales? I assume that is not your note based on the way it is written. Should your Contento1 verification be changed to N/A or is the note wrong? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:07, 31 March 2018 (EDT)

I don't know who added that comment, but the book is certainly in Contento. I'll remove the comment. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:00, 31 March 2018 (EDT)
Did a database search & turned up a few more cases: 304681, 436820, 25791, 308821, 22057, 552028. Would you mind double checking those as well? Somedays I get a little discouraged about our moderation process. I don't know why these would not have been run by you first since you were the verifier... This was obviously not a one off mistake. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:26, 1 April 2018 (EDT)
I've removed the snarky comments. There's only one where I could not verify the original verification from Clute/Nicholls. Sometimes they mention a book in an article other than the one for the author, but I couldn't find a mention. It's also possible that I hit the wrong radio button when attempting to mark it n/a. In any case I removed that one. I can only guess that whoever is adding these notes perhaps thinks Contento refers to only the print version. We link to the online version on our definition of the resource. There was another comment stating that the Clute references did not refer to a US printing. I don't know which edition of the Clute references the the commenter was using by mine generally do not mention place of publication unless there is a title change. Of course, this could all be handled more easily by simply asking me a question rather than leaving a sarcastic comment. Sorry to vent, I realize you're just the messenger. Thanks for pointing these out so they could be fixed. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:27, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

cover art credit Reign of Stars

Hi, can you please check Reign of Stars to see whether it is Roberto Pitturro or Roberto Pitturru? here a claim that the latter is the true name of the artist.--Dirk P Broer 19:47, 4 April 2018 (EDT)

I've searched for this book the last two days and I can't seem to put my hands on it. I'll change my verfication to transient. Unfortunately, that means I can't verify the artist's name. I'd recommend going with Pitturru, unless my copy turns up and I can verify that I didn't make a typo. Sorry I wasn't of more help. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:23, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
Okay by me.--Dirk P Broer 07:30, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

Out of Time's Abyss

I've added the Lin Carter Foreword to this ../Doug H 15:33, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

The Carnelian Cube: A Humorous Fantasy

Hello, while moving the OCLC and LCCN of The Carnelian Cube: A Humorous Fantasy, I saw that the Reginald1 number is missing from the note (copy/paste mishap I suspect). As you verified it, I suspect you have it so can you add it to the record? Thanks! Annie 18:34, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

Thanks. It was there but had been pasted on the line after "first edition". I've corrected the error. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:35, 7 April 2018 (EDT)
Ah, I saw a number there but was not sure where it belongs so left it in peace:) Thanks! Annie 23:02, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

"Heaven on Earth"

Hi, would you mind approving my submissions of Heaven on Earth and its original so I can go ahead with varianting them and adding further information to them? Thanks. --Vasha 12:29, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

I think I found those submissions. In general you should probably just wait for a moderator who is working new submissions to take care of it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:41, 8 April 2018 (EDT)
Yes, sorry, I sent you this note back this morning when I thought you were available. Thanks for taking care of it, anyway. --Vasha 16:59, 8 April 2018 (EDT)

Beyond the Farthest Star

I have added Lupoff's foreword to this pub and changed the page number for Wollheim's foreword to page 2. ../Doug H 10:31, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

The Lost Continent

I've added Wollheim's Foreword to this publication. ../Doug H 15:43, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

Edwin Hanel vs Edwin Henel

Hi, for your verified copy of Der Orchideengarten / The Orchid Garden i have changed the credits for Die Angst from Edwin Hanel to Edwin Henel after blowing up this so I could read the name properly.--Dirk P Broer 17:52, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

Thanks for catching that. I should have figured it out myself since his signature is quite clear on the cover. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:32, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

The Wasp in a Wig, 2015 Annotated Alice

Hi, Ron. You verified and presumably entered our record of the 2015 Deluxe Edition P558606, with 5 listings for The Wasp in a Wig, representing pp. 325-345 (or so, if there are section title pages inclg perhaps The Wasp in a Wig p[323]).

The 1973 publication date for Ralph Steadman is almost certainly wrong. "The Wasp in a Wig" short fiction dates from 1974, when original corrected page proofs were discovered (purported by Sotheby's), promoted, and sold. (It was previously known that Tenniel declined to illustrate and advised Carroll to drop a wasp episode. So it's possible Steadman illustrated the unknown, for a magazine/newspaper story or an appendix to the 1973 Through the Looking-Glass.) Probably the 1973 Steadman-illustrated Looking-Glass was reissued after 1977 with "The Wasp in a Wig" short fiction and its new illustration by Steadman; and the Deluxe Edition publisher misinterpreted the reissue as containing 1973 material only. Of course I want to know whether the Deluxe Edition does date the illus., and 1973 if so, or whether that is your clerical error.

I doubt that any Steadman illustration(s) were included in the 1977/1978 chapbooks, in particular the US trade ed. from Clarkson N. Potter. Some online dealers offer the US ed. as with illustrations by Steadman. But one at ABEbooks reports, "Interestingly, this edition is supposed to have illustrations by Steadman, but does not. An anomaly or just dumped by the publisher or editor? Steadman believes the latter (ask me for details). Bookseller Inventory # 000458" at with Stock Image of the 1st UK ed., wrong.

The date is from the caption under the illustration. However, on closer examination, the biography of Steadman mentions that his Wasp illustrations are from the Sunday Telegraph Magazine, September 4, 1977. I've adjusted the date.

The 1977/1978 chapbooks T2350711 are in the database (two of five, in progress) with 4 contents so far, including one that you do not list, presumably because the notes are intermingled with the short fiction.

Annotations (The Wasp in a Wig) • essay by Martin Gardner

(If that issue interests you, please see ISFDB:Community Portal#Notes and Annotations, where I have no responses yet.)

There are annotations in the margins, but I don't know that they should be credited to Gardner alone. The annotations aren't specifically credited. Gardner is credited as editor, but there is the additional credit "Expanded and Updated by Mark Burstein". I've no objection to adding this as content, but we will have to figure out who or if they should be credited.

I haven't yet seen that the Lewis Carroll Society eds. include the letter from Tenniel to Dodgson T1969163, perhaps first published in the 1977 Macmillan 1st UK ed. Does the Deluxe Edition say where published? --Pwendt|talk 17:53, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

It does not, alas. The letter is referenced in the preface and appears at the end of the preface. I don't know if it has always been published that way. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:28, 12 April 2018 (EDT)
Thanks. I have assembled some info on the Steadman eds. of Alice. Probably I'll add them to the db and Annotated Alice contents will need be 2015 (or earlier) variants of the 1967 and 1972. This may be a while but I do expect "this fortnight". --Pwendt|talk 19:26, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

Dagon and Other Macabre Tales, Corrected Fifth Printing

Ron, I'm a new contributor; any feedback you have is welcome. I was looking at "Dagon and Other Macabre Tales" Corrected 5th printing (, because I just got a copy myself. The final essay, Chronology of the Fiction of H.P. Lovecraft is listed as uncredited. In Sixty Years of Arkham House by S.T. Joshi, Joshi takes credit for the essay (page 156).

Welcome! Thanks for finding that. I've made the essay into a variant showing Joshi as the actual author. I also added a few catalog numbers on the publication. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:47, 15 April 2018 (EDT)

Test of the Twins

Test of the Twins; A Note states “Copyright page states that the Library of Congress Catalog Card Number is 86-90222. This is the LoC Classification and not the LoC Control Number” I believe that the reference in the copyright page is an LCCN – albeit one which does not exist in the catalog and that the Note should state “Library of Congress Catalog Card Number: 86-90222 on copyright page; a record with this reference does not exist”. The LC Classification is actually “CPB Box no. 582 vol. 22” which is a completely different reference. --AndyjMo 08:56, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

I doubt that I added that note and I have no objections to changing it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:15, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

The Strand Magazine, February 1908


Can you look at this one and figure out which of the two stories is on page 179? Thanks! Annie 14:25, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

Sorry, the Watts title is the illustration. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:34, 24 April 2018 (EDT)

John Lane, The Bodley Head / Dodd Mead and Company

Ron, This publisher name appears to be a mistake --meaning John Lane, imprint of Dodd Mead-- for some arrangement with UK edition by John Lane, The Bodley Head and US edition by Dodd, Mead and Co. --perhaps the name should be John Lane, The Bodley Head; Dodd, Mead [as we use simply "Dodd, Mead" for that US publisher].

In the one WorldCat record you cite, OCLC: 154634710, there is no evidence for Dodd, Mead participation. Four of the 6 publication records are yours, namely P351702 P286006 P286247 P286251 --all PV Permanent, and this is the only for which you cite a WorldCat record. (One other is by User:Chavey citing a WorldCat record that shows no evidence of John Lane participation P615916 but one of Chavey's notes is useful.) (One other P431153 is by User:PeteYoung linking a title page image that shows two-line display:

London: John Lane [...]
New York: Dodd, Mead [...]

--Pwendt|talk 17:27, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

Two evidently joint publishers elsewhere in the database:

J. M. Dent & E. P. Dutton
London: E. Benn; New York: Coward-McCann

I posted secondary notes on the User talk pages of Chavey and PeteYoung, with cross-reference here. --Pwendt|talk 17:40, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

Both publishers are listed on the title page. However, on closer examination, only one publisher is listed on the spine. My theory is that the same plates were used for both the UK and US editions which I believe was a common practice. I've altered all of my verified records to match only the publisher that is listed on both the title page and the spine.
For true joint publications I do believe our standard would be to join them with an ampersand as you note with Dent & Dutton. I don't think we should be listing place of publication in the publisher name. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:52, 25 April 2018 (EDT)

A-Z of Tolkien

Hi Ron. Is there any info in this book to indicate illustrator John Davis writes about illustration? Namely The Illustrators of Alice 1972? --Pwendt from my phone

No. The illustrators are credited, but there is no further information. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:35, 30 April 2018 (EDT)
Thanks. --Pwendt|talk 11:16, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

The Nursery Alice, by Tenniel

Hi, Ron. Again concerning our record of the 150th Deluxe Edition P558606, the contents now include as INTERIORART by John Tenniel both 17, "Pictures in The Nursery Alice", and 99, "The Nursery Alice". Are the distinct titles correct?

By the way, The Nursery "Alice" is the original title. And there is a People's Edition with title page dated 1889 --relying on a stated facsimile edition-- t.p. at HathiTrust. (Not found here in 1889 newspapers; to be continued, I hope, with access to online weekly/monthly periodicals.) --Pwendt 17:29
Boldface qualification inserted. --Pwendt|talk 18:27, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

Yes, they are two different drawings. Really three as the first demonstrates how Tenniel colored his own drawing for the Nursery Alice. There are no quotation marks in the captioning. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:04, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

The Weird

In your The Weird, is there a Saki story on page 53? The tp version has one and otherwise the contents match the hc. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:46, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

Yeah, I must have missed that one. I recall that I had to enter these manually, so it's not surprising. Thanks for catching it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:55, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

May/June 2018 Asimov's

I have answered your inquiry about the above magazine, just follow my link. MLB 08:02, 5 May 2018 (EDT)

The Baum Bugle, Spring 1989

Hi. You verified this issue P328955 with contents

20 •  The Magical Man of Mirth (cover) • (1910) • interior artwork by Elenore Plaisted Abbott and Helen Alden Knipe (variant of cover art for The Magical Man of Mirth)
21 •   Review: The Magical Man of Mirth by Eldridge H. Sabin • review by Barbara S. Koelle [as by Barbara Koelle]
34 •  The Magical Man of Mirth (cover) [2] • (1910) • interior artwork by Elenore Plaisted Abbott and Helen Alden Knipe (variant of cover art for The Magical Man of Mirth)

Does the publication state "Eldridge" in one or more of those locations? The 1910 book is by "Elbridge" per front cover and title page (view both at HathiTrust). Perhaps you created our record for the 1910 novel, which cites a WorldCat record that states Elbridge (and gets the publisher wrong) [1].

(There are WorldCat records for Eldridge H. and newspaper mentions of Eldridge H. ... not for here and now.) --Pwendt|talk 21:24, 5 May 2018 (EDT)

The review does have it listed as "Eldrige" which is probably how the error was introduced. I've corrected the author's name. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:19, 5 May 2018 (EDT)

author name correction

Could you take a moment to change Javier Blâzquez Murillo to Javier Blázquez Murillo? Thanks --Vasha 16:40, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

Done. I think you could have done this one yourself. While I think a moderator is required to change an author's name on the author record, I believe that you would have the ability to change the author's name on the title record. Since there is only one title for this author (artist), changing the name on the title record has the same effect as changing the author record. If you encounter this situation again, you could give it a try. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:45, 12 May 2018 (EDT)


Please see this edit which I'm holding and which impacts your verified pub. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:03, 14 May 2018 (EDT)

I've no strong opinion on whether the artist is correct. However, if we are going to credit an artist based on signature (or initials), we should use the canonical name rather than a pseudonym. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:41, 14 May 2018 (EDT)
I've unheld it as I don't have time to approve, fix, & notify all the other verifiers. Sorry about that... -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:50, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

Cry Wolf by Daniel dos Santos

Is for the first part or the second part? or ? Susan O'Fearna 19:54, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

It's the first one. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:46, 15 May 2018 (EDT)
awesome Susan O'Fearna 22:30, 15 May 2018 (EDT)

God Likes Them Plain

This one is missing its "The Guide to Supernatural Fiction" number. Thanks! Annie 20:48, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Fixed. Thanks for finding the error. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:47, 19 May 2018 (EDT)

Lazerus / The Gentleman from San Francisco

Hello, do you think you can find the OCLC for this one again - seems like a copy/paste mishap? I fixed a few of those but all of the books were having ISBNs so there were less OCLC numbers to go through. Thanks! Annie 02:23, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:39, 22 May 2018 (EDT)

R. W. Boeche - artist or cover designer?

Hi, in your verified copy of The Sleeper Awakes cover art is granted to R. W. Boeche. This picture ran a bell with me and I think that the art is actually by Frank R. Paul. It is a 1942 piece called 'City of the Future'. You should be able to trace it in Frank R. Paul: The Dean of Science Fiction Illustration on page 151. I suspect that more R. W. Boeche art might be traced likewise.--Dirk P Broer 17:16, 4 June 2018 (EDT)

You're correct, of course. Boeche's credit is for "cover design" and Paul is not credited. I suspect you are right about the remaining titles and I had a look, but none of them were familiar enough to identify. I'll fix the Wells. Thanks for catching it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:16, 4 June 2018 (EDT)
I saw a picture that was taken in Rotterdam 1940, after the bombardment for 'The Purple Cloud' by M. P. Shiel, and 'A Voyage to Arcturus' also looks very much like a picture I know.--Dirk P Broer 20:00, 4 June 2018 (EDT)

Edgar Rice Burroughs: The Bibliography

Hello Ron,

Can you take a look at this submission and let me know if you are ok with the date change? Thanks!Annie 14:31, 5 June 2018 (EDT)

You can approve it. The date is slightly iffy, as it's in the paragraph about the more limited edition, and is a planned publication date, i.e. "will be released August 18th, 2016". There's no indication whether it came out on the planned date. However, it's likely that both editions were released simultaneously and the date may refer to both. Regardless, I'm not worried about the date. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:07, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
Which is why I came to check with you first (and told the editor that they should have talked with you first). I will approve it. Thanks! Annie 20:13, 5 June 2018 (EDT)

Miguel Ángel Asturias

Hi-- would you mind looking inside Elsewhere, page 239, and seeing whether Miguel Ángel Asturias's name is printed with or without a diacritic over the A? Thanks. --Vasha 22:58, 7 June 2018 (EDT)

Not on the A, but there is on an E. His name appears as "Miguel Angèl Asturias". --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:10, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
Well, that's unique. Now that I've made notes on all of his publications, could you please correct his name to "Miguel Ángel Asturias"? --Vasha 13:12, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
Addendum: more to be corrected (I've checked their publications and made notes).
I'm not sure what to do about Oscar Chichoni (i.e. Óscar Chichoni) ... it's not feasible to check all his gazillion publications. I strongly suspect that the diacritic is rarely, if ever, printed on his first name except when publishing in his native language. I guess I'd be okay with leaving the name the way it is. --Vasha 19:36, 8 June 2018 (EDT)
I fixed the note on Elsewhere. That e has a grave accent, not an acute one. I've also change Rivero. I'm not certain about the others. Unless I missed something, none of our publications of these other atuhors present the name with the diacritic marks. In which case, I'm hesitant to alter the canonical name. If this were a situation of pseudonyms, we certainly wouldn't change the canonical name as it should be the one most often used in publications. I realize that diacritic marks don't work entirelu the same way due to software limitation (i.e. we don't create pseudonyms for differences in diacritics). However, I'm uncomfortable altering the spelling of an author's name if they are never published that way. Certainly there is no problem with adding the name with diacritic marks in the Legal Name field. This may be a better way of reflecting what you want. Also, in the case of Sánchez, you should probably contact the verifiers of the issue of Omni where the sole interview with that author appears. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:20, 9 June 2018 (EDT)
The only reason that we don't have publications with diacritics on the names is that we still, currently, don't have very many publications in Spanish. I have added a Spanish publication for Óscar Cerruto, so I hope that'll be sufficient to change his name.
As for Arias Sánchez, it's hardly important, because he isn't even a science fiction writer (he was interviewed in Omni about matters of science policy). I have asked the verifiers what their opinion is on the matter of canonical names. Thanks for paying attention to these irritatingly trivial matters. --Vasha 14:32, 9 June 2018 (EDT)

The Baum Bugle

Hello Ron, I think the illustrator Eberhard Binder is from Germany. He illustrated the German translation of the novel The Wizard of Oz. Can you see his style in the cover? Thanks Henna 15:01, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

Yes, the style of the tin woodman is identical to that pictured on the cover that you linked. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:10, 10 June 2018 (EDT)
I updated the authors page. Henna 08:17, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

At the Back of the North Wind


This one is missing its Bleiler The Guide to Supernatural Fiction number.Thanks! Annie 18:40, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

It's not actually reviewed in Bleiler. It's likely a cut and paste error from when I added the Reginald number. In any case, I've removed that part of the note. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:27, 23 June 2018 (EDT)

There Will Be Time

The cover artist of this is Fernando Fernandez, see his site. Horzel 17:55, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

Michael Stewart vs Michael Siewert

Hi, according to the interview Judy! Judy! Judy! in Winkie Con 50 is not with Michael Stewart but with Judy Garland costume collector Michael Siewert.--Dirk P Broer 04:56, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:04, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

The Snow-Image, and Other Twice-told Tales

Hi-- I am looking through the scanned version of The Snow-Image and am going to correct the page number of "A Bell's Biography" to 125. Question: in the notes you say "Contents incomplete. Including only those stories reviewed in Bleiler, below, or otherwise already in the database." In fact, every story in the book is included: no wonder, since every story Hawthorne wrote, genre and non, is in the database. Please change the note, and decide whether you want to remove the non-genre stories (I'd be in favor of keeping them, I guess). --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 10:10, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

I've removed the statement. I've no interest in removing the stories. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:42, 25 June 2018 (EDT)

Add a Variant Title

Hi Ron,

We were having a conversation about using AddVariant and then adding a publication vs adding the publication first and then varianting over here and you are one of the users that still uses AddVariant. Is there a specific usecase that is only (or much easier) handled by it? Do you mind if this option disappears altogether? Thanks! Annie 15:57, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

BNF numbers


I changed the BNF number for Atlantis from FRBNF30546706 (which is the Notice n°) to cb30546706h which is the public BNF number (and what our external identifier expects (as we use the "Citer la notice" format). Annie 17:21, 3 July 2018 (EDT)

Planned Project Scope Expansion

(I am leaving this note on the Talk pages of some of the more active editors to make sure that we are not missing anything. If you have been following this Rules and Standards discussion and agree with the proposal, please ignore this note.)

As per this discussion, ISFDB:Policy#Rules_of_Acquisition is about to be expanded to include:

  • Speculative fiction webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues
  • Special speculative fiction issues of non-genre webzines
  • One time speculative fiction anthologies published on the Web

If you believe that this scope expansion may cause unforeseen and/or undesirable consequences, please share your thoughts on the Rules and Standards page. TIA! Ahasuerus 11:25, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

The Deathworld Trilogy

I have added David Egge as the cover artist for this pub and updated the notes with the source of the credit. It was interior art in a Galileo magazine issue of Sept. 1978. ../Doug H 17:29, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

The Horror on the Links

Hello Ron,

Can you look at your verified - mine says "Night Shade Books" and not "NightShade Publications". Different printing (if so I will add mine separately) or is it indeed "Night Shade Books" for the whole run? Annie 16:30, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

I've corrected it. I suspect that the incorrect name came from Amazon, though they have the correct publisher now. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:17, 6 July 2018 (EDT)
One of the other volumes was having the same issue so I suspect it was indeed Amazon. Thanks for fixing it! Annie 19:21, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

New Dimensions II printing code

Hi. Re your PV'd, what is the printing gutter code on page 229 … and can you please add that info to the pub record? Mine's "O2" (January 1973) so likely 2nd printing, but I'd like to know for sure (and then start looking for a 1st printing once I know what gutter code I'm looking for. :) ) Thanks. Markwood 12:19, 15 July 2018 (EDT)

Mine has the code "N40" and also has the first edition statement. I've added a note. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:26, 15 July 2018 (EDT)


Hello Ron,

Do you mind taking a look at this discussion? You have verified books with 2 of the stories so I wondered if you can dig them out and verify? Annie 21:49, 18 July 2018 (EDT)

Death and Dr. Hornbook: A True Story

Would you look at this edit I have on hold? Does your verified pub use the original version or has it been converted to modern English? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:35, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

There are several minor differences in spelling ("kend" vs "kenn'd", "befel" vs "befell", "whyles" vs "whiles", etc.) and punctuation, but it is essentially the same poem. Whether that is Scots or Scottish English, I couldn't say. I would question whether the 1785 date is a composition date or date of first publication. If it's the former, then it should be reflected only in the notes. this site claims it was first published in 1787. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:20, 21 July 2018 (EDT)
Accepted, but changed the date to 1787. I found another site that said Burn's first works to be published were in 1786 (and the online version did not include that poem) so that collaborates the 1785 as date written and not date printed. As for language, ISFDB only has Scots as a choice and not Scottish English. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:56, 21 July 2018 (EDT)

A Fighting Man of Mars - Edgar Rice Burroughs

I recently added a variation here of the publication you had verified here. The two versions differ in the ads in the final pages, which I documented in the notes. I had arbitrarily chosen which ads were associated with each publication, so you may need to move your verification to the other copy, depending on what you have in your copy. ../Doug H 17:16, 28 July 2018 (EDT)

Patrick Welch

Evidently, the Patrick Welch who contributed a story to your verified publication Analog, July 1972 (and also to Riverside Quarterly in 1969) is not the same person as this Patrick Welch, who didn't start writing until the 2000s. I intend to change the earlier writer to "Patrick Welch (I)." Can you track down any biographical information about him? I've also consulted Biomassbob, verifier of the Riverside Quarterly issue. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 19:43, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

You can find his obituary here in which case you can list him as "Patrick Welch (1948-2017)". Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:02, 6 August 2018 (EDT)

Baum's Own Book for Children

Wanted to let you know that I submitted correction of a typo in the title of Baum's Own Book (Htherto --> Hitherto) - and moved the OCLC ID. Can you confirm? Thanks! MagicUnk 12:39, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

I have this change on hold pending confirmation. While it most likely is a typo, I'd rather wait for a confirmation before changing it :) Annie 15:55, 9 August 2018 (EDT)
The typo is mine, so you can go ahead and approve the edit. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:51, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

Double Star updated

See here: Double Star updated. Thanks! MagicUnk 14:02, 10 August 2018 (EDT)

The Incompleat Nifft

My copy of this printing has 565 pages, with an excerpt for The A'rak appended to back. Can you check if you copy is the same? Tom TAWeiss 18:46, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

We have the same edition. I've updated the record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:59, 21 August 2018 (EDT)

M. A. (artist)

Hi, I've come across your verified copy of Amazing Stories Quarterly, Spring 1930, where there is a piece of interior art, The Red Ray, attributed to M. A. (artist), based upon Science-Fiction: The Gernsback Years. I looked this magazine up, magnified the signature and was not impressed. This became even worse when I checked with the fiction mags index Fiction Mags Index , where the piece is attributed to Hugh MacKay. Is it posible for you to compare the signature in 'The Red Ray' with pieces attributed to Hugh MacKay? In Amazing Stories Quarterly, Summer 1929 it appears he uses two versions, a long and a stylized one.--Dirk P Broer 04:41, 22 August 2018 (EDT)

I agree. It appears to be the letter H on top of the letter M, both centered. I've updated the record and the note accordingly. Also, Bleiler wasn't sure. He has "(?)" after the attribution. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:17, 22 August 2018 (EDT)

Updating SERIAL Help

I am leaving this message on the Talk pages of active editors who (AFAIK) are currently active in the magazine/fanzine area. Based on recent feedback from a new editor, I have attempted to streamline our Help templates which govern the use of the SERIAL title type. I have posted a proposal which shuffles the relevant snippets between 3 different Help templates and clarifies a few things. When you get a chance, could you please review the proposed language to make sure that it's accurate and comprehensive? TIA! Ahasuerus 15:24, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

Ann Baade

In Weird Tales, Spring 2011, Carrie Ann Baade is credited for the artwork on pages 31 & 35 and Ann Baade for the artwork on page 81. I'h holding an edit that would establish a pseudonym between these two. Would you mind checking of the "Carrie" is just missing in the database from the latter artwork? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:43, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

The credits should all be the full name and I'll correct the credit for page 81 (the inside back cover). It's not specifically credited, but is a color detail of the artwork on page 35 which is credited. Thanks for asking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:29, 27 August 2018 (EDT)

Possible typo, A Wrinkle in Time

Hi Is it possible that the listing for "Newberry Medal Acceptance Speech" in should really be "Newbery"? (i just fixed my own typo of the same item is why I ask) Thanks gzuckier 23:12, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:20, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Puffin by Design

Hi, Ron. One of the listed Contents is The Hundred and One Dalmatians (cover) T1750023 by Janet Johnstone and Anne Grahame Johnstone. Does Baines credit "Janet Johnstone" and credit "Anne Grahame Johnstone"? Otherwise it appears that "Janet Johnstone" is an ISFDB construct, derived by parsing credits as "Janet and Anne Grahame Johnstone" and as "Janet and Anne Grahame-Johnstone".

For these twin daughters of Edward Grahame Johnstone (per Wikipedia), the Library of Congress canonical names are "Grahame Johnstone, Janet" and "Grahame Johnstone, Anne". --Pwendt|talk 20:55, 12 September 2018 (EDT)

You're correct and the error was mine. The credit appears as "Janet and Anne Grahame-Johnstone" and I've corrected it as it appears in Baines book. It looks like the canonical name should be "Janet Grahame-Johnstone" and I'll go ahead and do the edits to merge the names. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:34, 12 September 2018 (EDT)
Thanks. Take a look at the Wikipedia and Library of Congress, concerning the hyphen. Now I have used all my Wednesday time, plus 15 minutes. I'll look at the simplification effected by merge tomorrow. --Pwendt|talk 22:14, 12 September 2018 (EDT)

Anatomy of Wonder: A Critical Guide to Science Fiction, Second Edition

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of Anatomy of Wonder: A Critical Guide to Science Fiction, Second Edition from the trade paperback edition.--Dirk P Broer 08:32, 13 September 2018 (EDT)

Frank Reade, Jr., and His Monitor of the Air: or, Helping a Friend in Need

As you did the secondary verifications on this, I'm hoping you can help me. It contains two entries for "Frank Reade, Jr., and His Monitor of the Air: or, Helping a Friend in Need" (one from Aug 5 edition and one from Aug 12 edition). Was this a serial or is one the wrong name? Or truly a double printing? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:57, 17 September 2018 (EDT)

That was a cut and paste error on my part, now corrected. The August 5th story had the wrong title. Thanks for finding the error. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:37, 17 September 2018 (EDT)

Correction to title?

Hi -- in the online edition of Lightspeed, June 2015, the author spotlight for RJ Edwards, page 294, is titled "Author Spotlight: RJ Edwards" although it is "R. J." in the database. Could you please check what is shown in the print edition? Also, is the author's name with or without periods on page 177? Thanks. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 21:32, 24 September 2018 (EDT)

I'm sure I cloned the ebook edition at the time, or it was already there. Sorry to have missed the error, but corrected now. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:10, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Living in Fear: A History of Horror in the Mass Media

In Living in Fear: A History of Horror in the Mass Media, on page 158, is "Al Feldstien" a typo? --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 15:54, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

I couldn't tell you. I no longer have the book which is why I've only done a transient verification. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:12, 25 September 2018 (EDT)
Oops, I didn't notice ithe verification was transient. I am 97% sure the database entry is a typo so I guess I'll change it. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 22:56, 25 September 2018 (EDT)

Timothy Brown

A quick FYI that the author of your verified Dark Night of Karameikos has been disambiguated to distinguish him from the other Timothy Brown. Ahasuerus 10:09, 26 September 2018 (EDT)

Your experience--magazine dates?

Hi, do you have anything to add to this R&S discussion, prompted by my noticing that the current data entry rules don't say what date to assign a magazine if it has no cover date? What have you been doing? --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 22:27, 30 September 2018 (EDT)

"Slip Road" in Unconventional Fantasy

Tade Thompson published his story "Slip Road" in two versions. Which is it that's reprinted in Unconventional Fantasy: The one that starts "Dominic’s pencil broke and he almost cried ...." or the one that starts "I have been trying to remember something. It’s lost like car keys ..." --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 18:57, 4 October 2018 (EDT)

"I have been trying to remember something. It’s lost like car keys ..." The note at the end of the story seems to disagree with the note on our title record: "Revised version. Originally published in Expanded Horizons Magazine, Issue 10, August 2009." Unless that note means that it is the revised version and the original unrevised version was published in the August 2009 issue. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:22, 4 October 2018 (EDT)
Yes, this is the later version published in Expanded Horizons (you can see them both online via Wayback Machine -- Version 1, Version 2) so your second interpretation of the note is correct. I just addeded the issue containing the later version with the title "Slip Road (revised)" so once that is approved, we should change to having that record in the publication for Unconventional Fantasy. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 19:52, 4 October 2018 (EDT)

Isaac Asimov's Science Fiction Magazine, Summer 1977

Would you please check this edit I have on hold that impacts your verified pub. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:44, 7 October 2018 (EDT)

You can go ahead an approve it. There is a headpiece on that page which is signed with a s in a square. I don't know if that is Sternbach's usual signature, and would defer to other editors. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:28, 7 October 2018 (EDT)


User Mphillips found the cover artist for Stardreamer, see here. I added credit and notes. --Willem 04:54, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

Sorry I didn't notify you here. I was confused by the note at the top so I put my notification in your special "changes to verified pubs" section, linked above. > Mphillips 22:57, 15 October 2018 (EDT)

The Narrative of Arthur Gordon Pym

You had verified this pub. I see there are two versions of the title, one with "Details of a Mutiny" and yours with "Details of Mutiny". I checked the look-inside of the other version and verified the "A" in the title. I followed you link and found it was missing the "a". Would you care to update and eliminate a duplicate of what must be one of the longest titles in ISFDB, or would you prefer I do so? Thanks. ../Doug H 17:30, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

I fixed the original title. Alas we can't merge the two titles as the 1838 title is uncredited. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:28, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?

Please take a look at Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?. The cover is missing as it was deleted two years ago. This same cover is also used for the 10th impression. What I think happened (based on the image page names) is that the deleter deleted the cover for this pub, not realizing the same image was used for these other two pubs, and replaced the link with same image as this pub (a larger version). As the deleted image is the same, the easiest thing would be to replace the image links for the two deleted ones with same link used in those other two. As verifier, would you mind double checking? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:24, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

I fixed them both. The image does match mine and I would expect the 10th printing has the same one. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:21, 16 October 2018 (EDT)

Unpublished, & Nonexistent Verse

Hi, Ron. You verified this 2018 LCSNA publication, P668434, and presumably entered it. Are you a member of LCSNA? (I am not.)

The cover image shows one more comma and one more 's' in the title (", & Nonexistent") so you should check the title page. Note that multiple Title records contain this string, by copy-paste probably. --Pwendt|talk 16:47, 17 October 2018 (EDT)

I joined both the LCSNA and the The Wodehouse Society recently after our local paper ran an article (I think by Michael Dirda) about literary societies. The Carroll society apparently includes an annual book. There's also a newsletter which I may enter as a fanzine at some point. In any case, this was the first book they sent me and I've corrected the title. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:25, 18 October 2018 (EDT)
Thanks for the info!
Sorry, but you still have "Nonexitent", no 's'. --Pwendt|talk 13:58, 21 October 2018 (EDT)
Sorry, I sometimes read things a bit to quickly. Corrected now. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:18, 22 October 2018 (EDT)

Illustration confirmation

Could you confirm whether the illustration in Your copy of The Shepherd's Crown is this Kidby image, and also whether Rob Wilkins' Afterword? Circeus 00:01, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

I added the afterword. The interior art credit is for the all the interior artwork in the book including the a monochrome version of the illustration you cite. There are also individual headpieces for each chapter and other decorations. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:04, 1 November 2018 (EDT)

The Adventures of the Adventurers' Club

Hi, Ron. This is posted also at User talk:Chris J#The Adventures of the Adventurers' Club. --Pwendt|talk 21:49, 2 November 2018 (EDT)

(cross-posted) We have publication records for The Adventures of the Adventurers' Club (Gardner, 1890) as ANTHOLOGY by uncredited P549781 and as COLLECTION by Five Men and a Woman P562839 (with minor subtitle differences). They are verified by Rtrace from Bleiler78 and Chris J from Reginald1 respectively, and the cited WorldCat records are meagre.

  1. Does Bleiler78 or Reginald1 make clear whether this is anthology or collection? (We may guess the former from "Five Men and a Woman" and "Six Shocks", but the Contents list presumably from Bleiler is 8 shortfiction.)
  2. Does Bleiler78 or Reginald1 give any information beyond or different from "Gardner & Co."?

Hi. All Reginald says is Gardner & Co., London, 1890, 124p, Cloth, Coll. and that Five Men and a Woman is a psued. --Chris J 22:09, 2 November 2018 (EDT)

I’m away from home until Sunday, but will check then. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:46, 3 November 2018 (EDT)
Bleiler lists this under Anonymous. Given that he has a separate heading for "Anonymous Anthology", I can surmise that he considers these stories to be by a single author, despite the author credit which would seem to indicate several authors. I'll move the contents over to the collection and correct the author credit on the stories. I'll then delete the anthology. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:15, 4 November 2018 (EST)

The Proud Robot

46738 and 349781 are currently duplicates (same author, same title), but 349781 is varianted to 46738. Normally, these cases would just get merged, but looking into it, 46738 used to be credited to both Kuttner and Moore. 46738 is only in two books. Based on the ebook of The Proud Robot collection, crediting to Kuttner alone matches. However, wasn't sure about your Detour to Otherness as everything else in there is credited to both. Would you mind taking a look at and seeing if a credit was mistakenly deleted along the way or if everything is correct and these two can be merged as is? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:49, 3 November 2018 (EDT)

There is no special crediting in Detour to Otherness and the story should be credited to both Kuttner and Moore for that appearance and I'm pretty sure that I originally entered it that way. I believe that the Lewis Padgett pseudonym was commonly used for their combined work, but I also see a note in this publication that Moore's introduction asserts that she didn't contribute to any of the contained stories included in Robots Have No Tails. That may be enough evidence to have Kuttner as the sole author of the canonical title. I am not sure that the earlier printing of The Proud Robot is credited to Kuttner alone and I'm going to invite the other two active verifiers to check their copy. Contento1 credits both authors for all stories. If their copy reflects a Kuttner only credit, then I'll adjust my copy for the combined credit. If theirs has a combined credit, the it would be easier to first restore the shared title record to the combined credit, then fix the ebook publication to have 349781 instead of 46738. Finally, if we all agree that the canonical author should be Kuttner only, we should reverse the relationship of those two titles and fix the dates for when they first appeared so. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:09, 4 November 2018 (EST)
Dirk has responded on his talk page and the credit should be to both Kuttner and Moore in both our editions. It looks like "Gallegher Plus" is in the same situation and I'll fix both. Thanks for finding these. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:10, 4 November 2018 (EST)


Please check the typo in this title of The ConFrancisco Souvenir Book --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 23:15, 8 November 2018 (EST)

Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:31, 9 November 2018 (EST)

The Flame: A Story of What Might Have Been

Mike Ashley and Dave Langford have a question about The Flame: A Story of What Might Have Been by Eric North (aka Bernard Cronin), which you did secondary verifications for back in September. The publication appears to be identical to The Flame: A Story of What Might Have Been by Roy Norton, which we have had on file for a few years. They link to the same OCLC record, which credits North, and have the same Reginald number. The only difference is that the Eric North version has a Bleiler ("Science Fiction: The Early Years (Pages 545 - 998)") review linked to it. I wonder if it may be an attribution error in the Bleiler. Could you please double check? TIA! Ahasuerus 14:09, 12 November 2018 (EST)

Bleiler correctly credits Norton. I suspect the error was introduced from the original entry of the Bleiler reviews and was probably a copy and paste error. Reviews of Eric North's works appear two pages earlier. In any case, I've moved the notes to the existing Roy Norton record and corrected and relinked the review, so all should be well now. Thanks for finding the error. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:55, 12 November 2018 (EST)
Looks good, thanks! I'll let Dave know. Ahasuerus 18:20, 12 November 2018 (EST)

The Chronicle of Clemendy

Hi, Based upon the TOC I found here I changed things in your verified copy of The Chronicle of Clemendy: or, The History of the IX. Joyous Journeys. You might want to edit your copy further, or change things back.--Dirk P Broer 18:54, 12 November 2018 (EST)

Dream Weaver

In Jane Yolen's Dream Weaver could you check whether the title on page 60 is "Princess Heart O'Stone" or "Princess Heart o' Stone"? Thanks! --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 13:03, 13 November 2018 (EST)

The title is exactly as it appears on the title page of the story. Capital O and S with no spaces on either side of the apostrophe. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:37, 13 November 2018 (EST)
OK, thanks for checking. --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 21:37, 13 November 2018 (EST)

possible nongenre stories in anthology

Hi, I'm working on "100 Wild Little Weird Tales", of which you've verified one pub, and it seems to me that a couple of the stories might be nongenre, i.e. not fantasy or SF, rather just Gothic/atmospheric/horror and/or where the fantastic element seems to be written as to be a figment of one character's imagination; in particular, "His Brother's Keeper", "In the Dark",, "The Murderer",, and "One Chance", Do you agree, disagree, whatever?? Thanks. gzuckier 02:03, 18 November 2018 (EST)

100 Wild Little Weird Tales, part the second

Also, all the publications of this seem to have cloned an error in the original listing; "Threshold of Endurance" is listed as page 410, but that should be 510, according to my copy, which would put it in alphabetical order as all the stories are. So if you could check your copy and fix your verified pub thanks. gzuckier 02:03, 18 November 2018 (EST)

Corrected. I haven't read these stories and can't really offer an opinion on whether they are technically speculative by our definition. I will note that they all appeared in Weird Tales and I would object to deleting the stories. I tend to use the non-genre flag for clear cut cases and probably wouldn't add it to stories on the edge, but again, as I haven't read these I can't really decide. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:10, 18 November 2018 (EST)
Yeah, I wa thinking of flagging, definitely not deleting them. so if i did flag a few, you'd be ok with it? gzuckier 13:20, 18 November 2018 (EST)

One of the Baum stories


Any idea what is the English title of this one? Thanks! Annie 12:05, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Given that note, I expect that originally entered this with the English title and it was subsequently updated by someone else. This is The Wizard of Oz and the review describes it as an abridged text, which is hardly surprising given the page count. I've placed it in the abridgement series and added a note. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:42, 28 November 2018 (EST)
It will need to get its proper Korean title at some point but for now it looks good. Thanks! Annie 22:04, 28 November 2018 (EST)

Typo: Fearful Symmetries

I suspect that in your verified publication Fearful Symmetries, the title on page 168 should be "Ballad OF an Echo Whisperer." --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 20:06, 4 December 2018 (EST)

Corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:53, 4 December 2018 (EST)

Carborundorum > /dev/null

I've just added the webzine edition of Fireside Magazine. In that edition, the title of Annalee Flower Horne's story is printed "CARBORUNDUM > /DEV/NULL" (clearly with the capitalization that way intentionally, since none of the other titles are capitalized). But in your record for the print edition, you have "Carborundorum > /dev/null." Is that really how it's capitalized in the book? And if there's a difference, which one should we use? --Vasha (cazadora de tildes) 22:45, 6 December 2018 (EST)

The capitalization is as I entered it. When we have variants, we would go with the earlier publication as canonical unless the variant title became the title that is widely known. With only two publications of the story, I'd make the web version a variant of the print version. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:53, 7 December 2018 (EST)

Number Seven Queer Street: Being Some Stories

The Bleiler The Guide to Supernatural Fiction number is missing here even though it looks like you were planning to add it. Annie 05:36, 10 December 2018 (EST)

Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:03, 10 December 2018 (EST)

Tuck check

Ron, For Cutcliffe Hyne, The Lost Continent (Hutchinson, 1905) P260403, Tuck appears to be the source for both series "9d Library" (ninepence) and price -/6 (sixpence). Is that what Tuck reports? --Pwendt|talk 20:02, 10 December 2018 (EST)

Yes both pieces of data are from Tuck. I did a search to see if I could find a cover scan, but alas had no luck. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:14, 10 December 2018 (EST)

Novermber letters

For Letter to C. L. Dodgson, Novermber 11, 1878 and Letter to C. L. Dodgson, Novermber 18, 1878, is the November typo a database typo? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:26, 13 December 2018 (EST)

Typo. Now corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:50, 13 December 2018 (EST)

The Wondrous Tale of Alroy (not Woundrous)

Ron, Regarding the title of 1833 publication P412322 and its title records (3?), the title page shows "Wondrous" so the other must be a clerical error by you or one of your sources. Now in the queue I have TitleUpdate for the OMNIBUS only.

If I add the US edition today, that will be a clone preserving Wondrous and also the credit ... 'Contarini Fleming,' &c. --Pwendt|talk 18:13, 14 December 2018 (EST)

I've accepted your edits and corrected the publication record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:19, 14 December 2018 (EST)

Rosemary's Baby

Hi, Ron. Re I've got a copy with "Second Printing" on copyright page, so I can't verify or edit your first edition listing. Does your first edition have publication date "4/67" on bottom of front jacket flap and LCCN 67-14476 on copyright page? If so, suggest you add that info to your listing. Also, I'd like to know if there's a statement of edition or printing on the copyright page of the first edition. Thanks. Markwood 12:10, 19 December 2018 (EST)

Mine is actually an eighth printing and I've cloned and moved the verification. It does have the 4/67 on the jacket flap and also lists the LCCN. Sorry that I couldn't help you with the first. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:11, 19 December 2018 (EST)

Cartoon: Non Art

Here are some records in your verified pubs that start with "Cartoon:", but are not interior art:

Would you mind double checking if these should be interior art? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:11, 23 December 2018 (EST)

Checked and corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:24, 23 December 2018 (EST)

Coda: Pages from a Writer's Journal I'm thinking of making this (the English parent anyway) into shortfiction instead of essay, part of the novel, given that it ends with King's obituary, if that's OK with you. Thanks. gzuckier 02:39, 30 December 2018 (EST)

I'm probably the one who put the 'coda' in the database as a separate essay. Your message triggered me to read it, and look a little further. After reading this, I think it's completely fictious, and even part of the novel. I would suggest deleting the "coda" if the other verifiers agree. --Willem 05:56, 30 December 2018 (EST)
I'm gonna go ahead and do it while it's in my mental stack, with a note in the Notes, and ask forgiveness if anybody complains. thanks. gzuckier 23:41, 30 December 2018 (EST)

The View from the Cheap Seats

Hi, I guess there is the same pub identically twice in ISFDB: #586928 and #571924. What do You think about? --Zapp 08:14, 31 December 2018 (EST)

My copy has a signature page stating "This signed edition has been specially bound by the publisher" which would make it a separate edition from the trade edition, unless they are all so signed. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:39, 31 December 2018 (EST)
Okay. I have some more questions about Your pub:
  1. Is the shortfiction "Six to Six" the only shortfiction in a book full of essays? Or is there an error maybe of the same title?
    It seems like non-fiction to me. However, Locus1 lists it as a short story in an earlier publication. I'll reach out to the other active verifiers about changing it.
just re-read it; really seems to be just an essay Susan O'Fearna 17:23, 3 January 2019 (EST)
  1. There is an essay on page 372 of the German translation entitled "Rudyard Kiplings Tales of Horror and Fantasy". Is an essay like that missing in the English original? Maybe around page 327?
  2. Table of contents in Amazon's Look inside states "All Books Have Genders" on page 67, the ISFDB entry has p.66. - And "Jack Kirby: King of Comics" is p.274 vs. p.275.
  3. On English page 436 starts an essay and a review about Lud-in-the-mist. In German edition it seems they are one essay together (page 493). Are these relly separated in the English pub? Amazon's TOC doesn't show that.
    That's proper. See the first sentence of this help section which indicates that both an essay and a review should be added.
--Zapp 10:41, 1 January 2019 (EST)
Comments inline above. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:16, 1 January 2019 (EST)
Thank You. --Zapp 13:25, 1 January 2019 (EST)