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Hello, Don Erikson/Archive 01, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Ahasuerus 16:16, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)

The Coming of the Horseclans cover artist

Welcome to the ISFDB. Can you verify the name of the cover artist for this edition of The Coming of the Horseclans? Your submission stated "Carl Lungren". Could this possibly be Carl Lundgren? If it's misspelled in the book, we can create a variant and credit it to Lundgren. Thanks for the edits. And again welcome! Mhhutchins 16:14, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Also, you submitted a new pub of A Cat of Silvery Hue, but the ISBN was short (0-451-8836-0). I went ahead and accepted the submission. When you get a chance can you update it with the correct ISBN? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:20, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)
The correct ISBN for the above title is 0451088360. I've corrected the record. Mhhutchins 18:38, 12 Jun 2007 (CDT)
My mistake. It is Lundgren with a "d". Don Erikson 12:09, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Artist "K"?

You added the cover artist for this pub as just "K". Is that how he/she's credited in the book, or is it your approximation of the signature in the art? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:24, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)

My fault again. When I type in "k" the macro usually fills in "Ken Kelly". But sometimes doesn't and I missed it this time. I'll watch more carefully in the future. For this cover he isn't credited nor is there a signature, but is obviously Kelly. Should I not be giving credit to unsigned & uncredited artists even though I know who they are? Don Erikson 12:17, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Swords of the Horseclans ISBN

Your submission for this pub included an incorrect ISBN. Please make a correction when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:27, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Found the correct ISBN. Should be 0-451-09988-5. Mhhutchins 18:40, 12 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Another submission with an invalid ISBN here. Please verify whether the number is incorrectly printed on the book. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:31, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)
ISBN should be 0-451-11792-1. Mhhutchins 18:43, 12 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Now that my computer is up & running again I'll be able to more on top of eveybody's requests for info.Don Erikson 12:20, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Wrong ISBNs

Another submission had an incomplete ISBN, which I researched and changed to the correct number. When entering these numbers, pay extra attention. You don't have to enter the dashes between the numbers. The system will provide them automatically. Thanks for the submissions. Mhhutchins 19:18, 11 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Actually, it's ok to enter the dashes and I encourage this.
  1. There is less chance of error on the editor's part.
  2. If ISFDB's code fails to parse the hyphenated ISBN then the moderator will see an ISBN with hyphens. This is a clue to the moderator that "something is wrong" and to research the submission. If the editor enters an ISBN as an unhyphenated 9 or 11 digit value for example then it's unlikely the moderator would spot this unless they are paying extra attention. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:01, 18 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Good point, Marc. That situation never occurred to me. Mhhutchins 19:43, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Golden Scorpio

I see you want to remove the note about where the Cover-artist credit for Josh Kirby comes from in this pub. Can you confirm that that's because he's credited on the edition itself? Primary verification would trump a secondary source of course, but if it's not there we'd want to keep the note along with the extras you added. Thanks! BLongley 13:02, 14 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I goofed that up somehow, didn't mean to change it. Sorry.Don Erikson 12:25, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)
No worries, glad to see you talking here! BLongley 13:50, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Ant(h)ony Alban

Could you please double check that the author's name is listed as "Antony Alban" and not "Anthony Alban" in this publication? Thanks! Ahasuerus 13:40, 14 Jun 2007 (CDT)

After I input the info on the 2nd Alban book I noticed I screwed up. It is "Antony". Don Erikson 12:28, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)
No worries, quite a few library catalogs have The Day of the Shield listed as by "Anthony Alban" as well :) Do you happen to have Catharsis Central, apparently published as by "Anthony"? Ahasuerus 18:51, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

My copy of Catharsis Central has "Antony" on the cover, spine and title page. On the copyright page it says "Copyright 1969(c) by Anthony A. Thompson" , That's with an "h".Don Erikson 10:25, 22 Jun 2007 (CDT)

The Dark Light Years

Hi Don, you entered the Year as 1964-00-00 this would appear to be the year of the 1st printing. We use the actual printing year if its mentioned. The price would suggest the late 60's or early 70's. Also with the Cat#'s we use the "#" in front of non ISBN#'s. You can reply on this page or my talk page if you have any questions. Thanks :-)Kraang 21:02, 14 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I missed the "3rd printing" slug.Don Erikson 12:33, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

The Ballantine Teachers' Guide to Science Fiction

I have approved "The Ballantine Teachers' Guide to Science Fiction" and corrected the spelling of the title from "Ballentine" to "Ballantine" as per WorldCat. I also deleted "no price" from the price field and added a note to that effect in the Notes field. Finally, we reserve the NONFICTION type for book length works and we use ESSAY for all other non-fiction entries, so I have changed that as well.

No worries, these are the kinds of minor mistakes that we all make when we start contributing here. Thanks for editing! :) Ahasuerus 18:03, 17 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I see that you have also submitted the second printing of this book. There is an easier way to handle subsequent editions of a title, especially if it contains multiple entries like stories and essays. You just have to wait for the first edition to be approved, then pull it up and use the "Clone" option in the navigation bar. You can then change the price, ISBN or any other fields that are different vis a vis the original publication. That's what I did in this case -- take a look at the results. Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:37, 17 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Enemy Stars

This shows up with a bad check-sum, can you double-check please? BLongley 13:35, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Oops! it's 0-425-03943-9 Don Erikson 15:13, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, fixed now. BLongley 16:15, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Ensign Flandry

I've approved most of your edits, but I'm uncomfortable with the update of the 1979 printing to your suggested third printing. The 1979 one looks about right according to the second picture on this page - if you have the third edition it should look more like the first picture? Unless you know differently, I think we want to clone the pub rather than update it. BLongley 13:48, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Every book I submit is from my collection. So I have the book shown on Amazon. I'm sorry to be so obtuse, but what is your question?
Also I'll reread the Help Page concerning Cloning, I may have misunderstood. Don Erikson 15:22, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Amazon tend to have a page only for each MAJOR reprint/reissue. We at ISFDB want to record EVERY printing.
There's TWO books shown on that image page: one is labelled as the first printing and the other is labelled 3rd printing. (Amazon may not care, but those image-providers clearly do.) The problem with your update is that it would remove our entry for the first printing (which looks a bit incomplete, but isn't actually wrong) to create the good third printing's record. "Cloning" would create the record for the 3rd printing without removing the entry for the 1st. So if somebody actually has the first printing we would still have most of the information here already for them to fill out the extra details. We always like extra good data (thanks for all your good work in that, by the way, not all messages should be complaints!) but removal of data (which you would accidentally do in this case) is something that we're a bit wary of. If you'd updated a "1900 Trade Paperback edition" you'd obviously be correcting REALLY bad data (I'm not joking, we do see some rubbish like that here occasionally). And providing the good data and eliminating some bad data in one edit is a good idea when you have to wait for approvals. But in this case, I think you have enough information to confirm the 3rd printing, and if you're interested, update the 1st printing with some extra info as well - I think we can safely say it's the same cover artist, for instance! BLongley 16:55, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Do go read up on Cloning, or ask for extra explanation if the help isn't clear - sometimes it's easier to clone a good publication to match a bad one, then delete the bad one. But when you have to wait for approvals, this can be a bit frustrating and it makes the Mods wonder what's going on, and therefore even more hesitant to approve things. One thing you might want to look at is leaving a note to the Moderators about your future intentions in the "Notes" field for publications as you submit them - e.g. "I'm updating this to match my publication's details, will clone back to the original after approval" is GREAT when you're adding contents to a collection or anthology and don't want to have to add a dozen entries to BOTH titles individually. Ideally we'd have a "copy contents" shortcut for that already, but we don't, so the Mods do the shortcuts themselves but have to guess the intentions from other editors. BLongley 16:55, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Anyway, thanks again for editing! Feel free to ask questions here, or on My talk page, or on the Community portal. We're friendly really, it's just that if it takes an editor a little time to discover the messages being left for him or her the first few can look like a huge set of complaints, when we really just want to advise, thank and educate. :-/ BLongley 16:55, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Don, I should comment here in that this publication update is similar to the one I just commented on below for Peregrine (Star Ways). The item that held up this update is that you want to change the year field from 1979-00-00 to 1980-06-00. I cloned 134321 and added the data from your 3rd printing (Year 1980-06-00, Pages 277, Artist Michael Whelan, Note 3rd printing) creating 201161. I also rejected the original update so that 134321 has the data we know of for this printing. It's quite likely the page count is 277 but I'd rather wait for someone with a copy of this printing to show up and confirm this. There is a plan to add the printing # as a separate field as right now the title record, 5268, shows two similar lines for ISBN 0-441-20724-3 and it's not until you drill down that you would see that one of those records is for the third printing and the other must be the 1st or 2nd printing.
If your third printing has a "First printing" date statement for 1979 (and maybe even gives the month) then you could update 134321 to add to the notes that it is the 1st printing with the source of that data being the copyright page of the 3rd printing. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:48, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I seem to be misunderstanding the use of the clone tool. The Clone Help page says "This is similar in many ways to the edit publication screen, but the existing content records are not editable, except that their page numbers may be set." I read this to mean that I can't change the existing info that I clone. I guess I'm wrong because otherwise the clone tool wouldn't be very useful. Don Erikson 20:34, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

When cloning you are allowed to edit the "meta data" which is the top part of the page. You are also allowed to edit the page numbers in the Content section and to add new Content titles. The only thing you are not allowed to do is to make changes to the exiting Content titles. Marc Kupper (talk) 13:01, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)

Report on Probability A

I see you've verified this pub, can you just double-check to see if I've added the right cover-artwork? I'm pretty sure my edition is the same as the one you verified. BLongley 14:52, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

It appears to be the correct one. Don Erikson 15:29, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Thanks! I do like to check when I make alterations to a verified pub - there's always the possibility that we have two different editions that the text data alone wouldn't distinguish. Feel free to question anything I've verified that looks wrong to you - it's much better to talk than than get into edit-wars. BLongley 17:00, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Flandy of Terra

Judging by the 7th printing of Flandy of Terra, you have found the "Clone" option :) I have the 4th printing of Flandry of Terra on hold since it looks like you used "Add Publication" to create this submission. Do you want to resubmit it using Clone and capture the contents as well as page numbers? Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:51, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

  • click* Light bulb goes on. That makes much more sense than what I've been doing. I'll do that in the future.

Don Erikson 10:29, 22 Jun 2007 (CDT)

The Best of Poul Anderson

Don for The Best of Poul Anderson this publication [1] you changed Recollecting to Rceollecting. Is this change in the contents page or the chapter title page ix? When making changes to contents in a title its best to use the add title, and then use the remove title in tool bar. By changing the titles in contents it changes all the titles in all associated publications with this title. You can answer here and i'll see it. Thanks for editing! :-)Kraang 20:00, 21 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Just a typo on my part. Don Erikson 10:39, 22 Jun 2007 (CDT)

No problem set it back to Recollecting Thanks!Kraang 19:18, 22 Jun 2007 (CDT)

The Gods Laughed

Don, I have approved The Gods Laughed, but I am not 100% sure about one title change that you made, from "The Soldier from the Stars" to "Soldier from the Stars". The former title was used in the original magazine publication, which Mike Christie verified a while back. Also, Contento lists the story as reprinted with the article. Could you please double check what the first page of the story (233) says? Sometimes there are differences between the table of contents and the body of the book. In that case, we use the latter as our gold standard and add a comment to the Note field explaining that the ToC is in error. I have changed the wording of the title back to the original until we sort it out.

Now, if we confirm that the story was reprinted without the article, then we will establish that the story has appeared under two different titles and they will need to be disentangled. We have a special procedure for this type of cases -- please see our help page that covers it. I will also e-mail Bill Contento so that he could update his site. Thanks! Ahasuerus 00:26, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

It IS "The Soldier from the Stars" on page 233. I didn't even think to check. lesson learned. Don Erikson 09:24, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Thanks! Tables of contents and magazine covers have been known to have all kinds of typos and errors, so it's usually prudent to check the stories themselves, although it takes longer. The worst case scenario are stories that are not listed in the ToC at all :(
Robert Erisman was responsible for a moderately famous screwup with a magazine cover once. See this publication - check the Notes field :) Ahasuerus 10:55, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Price change to Peregrine (Star Ways)

Don, you had sent in a publication update to 25884 Peregrine (Star Ways) where among other things you changed the price from $1.95 to $1.50. As it's quite likely Ace has a later printing that was $1.95 you should clone the publication and create a record for $1.50 rather than overwriting the data about the $1.95 edition.

As you had updated a number of fields with some of them, such as the cover artist and date, being data that we can't confirm, sight-unseen, as applying to the $1.95 edition I decided the best way to deal with this was to clone the publication, adding the data you added, to create PRGRNSTRWS1978. I then rejected your original submission and updated the original publication, 25884, to change the binding from tp to pb as that's something that seems safe change sight-unseen.

The general rule is we don't change fields such as the Year, Publisher, ISBN/Catalog #, Price, and Cover Artist on ISFDB publication records but rather clone the record and update the clone to match whatever we are using as the source for the publication. The binding and page count are often from Amazon and are often wrong meaning those usually overwritten. If a publication record has blanks or "00" in the case of the Year field then you can fill those in from your source.

Of course, if you can determine that the data in a publication field is wrong (either a typo or someone failing to follow the general rule on don't change fields) then overwrite it though even here I'll usually add a note to the publication explaining what I'm changing and why on the off chance the previously entered data was based on a valid source. Sometimes I'll have a first printing and see a record that has a price that's a little lower than what's in my copy. In that case I overwrite the price but also add a note as the original price may be what the publisher announced the book at.

The publisher names are fuzzy as we don't have rules on where they should be entered from and how accurately we should copy what's stated in the publication. As you probably have noted, ISFDB records often have the short version of the publisher's name - for example, "DAW" instead of "DAW Books, Inc." Thus while I said above to not change this field it is one that can be updated as long as you are not just hijacking a record and changing it from one publisher to another. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:29, 23 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Star Ways

I'm happy with the update to make the artist "Ed Emshwiller" if you're sure, but we don't want the D-255 "Two Complete Novels" picture on D-268. The Cover Art URL is supposed to be for the publication it actually belongs to, which seems to be this pub here? BLongley

As soon as I submitted this I thought "No wait!" realizing I hadn't checked to make sure it was the right cover. Sorry. Heres the right one

n2274.jpg Don Erikson 19:08, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)

What???? How's that happen? All I did was paste in the the site address. Don Erikson 19:10, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)
It's the Wiki software trying to be helpful and displaying any links that end with ".jpg" :)Ahasuerus 19:44, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Poul Anderson's Tau Zero

I accepted your submission for this new edition of Anderson's novel, but removed the cover graphic link. (The graphic didn't show up on the summary page.) Also added the publication date. Question if you have a copy of this pub: are you certain that the price is $0.60? Most Lancer editions from 1971 were priced at $0.95. Thanks Mhhutchins 16:33, 24 Jun 2007 (CDT)

To tell you the truth I have no idea how I did this. It's $0.95. Heres the site address for the pic I found: [2] —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Don Erikson (talkcontribs) .
I've added this to 201593 plus also updated 32887 with the Star Ways cover. Marc Kupper (talk) 02:13, 25 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Re: the proposed changes to the Berkley Medallion edition of Tau Zero, the linked image is at [3]. Do we have permission to link to the site owner's images? Some people have very limited monthly bandwidth allowance, so "deep linking" makes them go over the limit and effectively shut down their site for up to a month. Other times there are copyright considerations, so we try to get permissions from site owners before linking to their images. Ahasuerus 11:55, 25 Jun 2007 (CDT)
There's a similar problem with "Time and Stars", one for the same site and one from, so I've held those till I see the response. BLongley 14:02, 25 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I've also replaced the Fantastic Fiction Image you gave for Time Patrolman with the one from Amazon - we CAN use Fantastic Fiction entries if there's nothing on Amazon, but Amazon is always the first preference. Please check to see if it's an acceptable substitute. BLongley 14:14, 25 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I have approved the submission for now. I suspect that we will need to run a search against all URL records at some points and scrub anything that we don't have permission to link to. Ahasuerus 20:20, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I've approved the ones I had on hold too, but moved the URL to notes for now. BLongley 13:21, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Ok. From now on I'll get permission before I link to any images. I did notice that most of the links already being used don't show anything. These are Amazon links that say the image is 1x1 pixels in size, I wouldn't think that would allow for much resolution :). (I think that's the first time I've ever used an emoticon non-ironically). Don Erikson 11:49, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I remove broken links, especially before verifying. There's no telling WHAT will show up there if it becomes useful, so rather than allow a random picture to get attached I'll let someone go search for the right one. BLongley 13:21, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Maybe there could be an ISFDB Flickr site for images, there is already some for book collectors. Don Erikson 11:49, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Some of us have have tried Flickr - e.g. this was my test. But there's a limit on the free accounts of about 200 images, and Marc and I have already exceeded those with our "uploaded to Amazon" covers, whcih is my current preference for now. And with Flickr, technically we have to provide a link back to the containing page as well, not the image. BLongley 13:21, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I was half tempted by this one. They let you upload zip files and access the files individually after that, and no problems with linking to them either. The main problem being that they've always operated in a legal grey area. --Unapersson 14:05, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Winter../ The Queen of Air..

Don i've put this title on hold because its already in the db in the Omnibus section [4]. Is the publications title different than whats in the db? You may want do an edit of this publication instead. Thanks!Kraang 22:03, 27 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I used the "find" feature in Firefox to search the Anderson page & twice did not find the word "winter". I shudda known better! AND I hadn't even noticed the Omnibus section of the biblio, what a dope... Don Erikson 10:46, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Don i updated the omnibus edition [5], have a look and see if its okay. Thanks :-)Kraang 14:03, 1 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Looks good. I was going to add the page numbers for THE QUEEN... but should I just number them as they appear or do I indicate some how that there is two sets of pages.Don Erikson 18:36, 1 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I would put page numbers only on the Queen titles the other novels page count could be put into the notes section. If you put a number in for The Winter... novel it will get mixed in with the other titles.Kraang 20:41, 1 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Battle Circle and Bearing Hourglass(Ballantine Del Rey)

Don, in the Mork & Mindy I changed the "/" to a ":" this is preferred. On Battle Circle when you cloned it you could also have added the page # at the same time. Also if the book has a number line its best to note it like "Stated 2nd printing(per number line) of 1988 Pocket ed.". If you look in the help section under printings this will give you a good overview of how to record them in notes. Also with Ballantine or Ballantine Del Rey books I'm putting in notes were there printed US or Canada. From 1978 to the late 1980's(single price on cover) they issued the books with two different prices. One has a Canadian price and the other a US. The Canadian is always higher. If you look at Jack L. Chalker you will see examples of how I have recorder various types of novels. Thanks for editing!Kraang 19:02, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)

With the Mork & Mindy I used a "/" because that is how it appears on the spine. On the cover and title page the two part of the title are separated by photos. About Battle Circle, I try not to change anything I don't have a primary source for, especially one I'm cloning from. But I guess in this case it would have made sense. I'll try to remember to us US & Can. for Ballantine prices. Don Erikson 20:35, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Don, you don't need to put US or Canadian beside the price; this space is for price only. If the cover has both prices, just use the US price. I've left an example of the the change I've made to the Ballantine edition. [6]. Thanks!Kraang 20:57, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)
I also made a change to this [7] Avon 2nd printing in the notes section. This makes it clearer for the moderators when approving edits. If you have any questions you can leave them on my talk page. Thanks!Kraang 21:14, 28 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Leo & Diane Dillion

1) These get entered as separate people, just use the "Add Artist" button. 2) I've assumed it was your typo and changed them back to "Dillon", please let me know if the typo was on the book. BLongley 13:47, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)

I'll use "add artist' for now on. Sorry it was a typo. Don Erikson 19:42, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)
No problem, easy fix - if it's a typo on the BOOK we want to know about it though. If we set up all the typos as variants, we catch them more easily. Thanks for editing! BLongley 19:48, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Just a typoDon Erikson 20:01, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Split Infinity

1) One of your edits updates the 1982 printing to create your December 1985 printing. There appears to be a 1982 edition, e.g. someone is selling one here so we want to keep that. I'll approve the edit and clone it back to the 1982 one. 2) A couple of times you've mentioned a map in notes. These can be entered as "Interiorart" entries. (The other example is Justaposition). BLongley 14:23, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Yes I should have used the clone tool. I try not to change someone else's entry unless it's an obvious mistake. And often not even then. I have to tell myself "Don't assume". I mean I'm already enough of know. Don Erikson 19:57, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)


I see you found a price for my edition of Steppe - thanks! (I buy a lot of my books second-hand, the new price is often obliterated.) BLongley 14:27, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)


You are quite right, Belmont and Tower(s) were the same publisher. They used "Belmont", "Tower" and "Belmont Towers" as their imprints at various times. I have changed the Notes field accordingly. Ahasuerus 15:02, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Return to the Planet of the Apes

I see you've been entering these as by "Willian Arrow" rather than "William Arrow" (who we know a little about). Can you double-check if it's "Willian" please? We might need to correct a pseudonym if that's so. BLongley 15:09, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)

Who in the world thought it was a good idea to put the M & N next to each other on the keyboard? It's William!!! Don Erikson 20:00, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT)
Thought so - fixed. (I do spot that error more easily than most, I think, seeing as it's my name too...) BLongley 05:12, 1 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Interesting - it turns out one of the "William"s is actually a "Don"! What a coincidence, eh? BLongley 05:39, 1 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Act of God

Just a heads-up that I've added the coverart to this pub, can you double check if I've got it right? BLongley 15:25, 30 Jun 2007 (CDT) That's the correct cover.Don Erikson 09:34, 1 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Earth is Room / The End of Eternity

Don two questions. The 1959 Earth is Room Enough is the publisher Panther and the price $0.35? You appear to have all three editions of the Lancer pub The End of Eternity and the 3rd lists the dates for the 1st and 2nd thats good the way you noted it. But the Lancer 1st 1963 #74-818 is priced($0.75) higher than the 3rd 1968 #73-701($0.60). Did you get them mixed up? Heres a list of the dates, prices & Cat#'s

             1st 1963 74-818 $0.75
             2nd 1966 72-107 $0.50
             3rd 1968 73-701 $0.60

Thanks :-)Kraang 21:49, 1 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The 1959 is Bantam, how I did Panther I don't know. It is Bantam A1978, $0.35 The prices for the Lancers are correct. Lancer had "Limited Edition" "Science Fiction Library" series with cover printed on fancy pebbled paper, my guess to justify the premium prices. Ironically these books aged much worse than the regular editions. Don Erikson 09:55, 2 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for clarification, i'll change the Panther to Bantam.Kraang 10:15, 2 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Fantastic Voyage

Don, for Fantastic Voyage #H3177 $0.60 1st printing you set the year as 010-00? I'll approve and change year to 1965-00-00. If this is wrong [8] just submit an updated edit. Thanks!Kraang 10:38, 2 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Foundation and Empire

Don ,i agree the date is in conflict with the notes but my inclination is to leave the notes as they are for future reference. I'll copy your note and make a clone of the original entry and switch in your note. Also i'am keeping track of the Ballantine Del Rey Canada or US printings up to the late 90's when they went to us printings only. I put into note (Printed in Canada) or (Printed in US). Between the late 1970'(Ca1978) and the late 1980's(before dual pricing) they put higher prices on the Canadian printings(most of the time). Some times the US printing would have the Canadian price on it. There was no indication which currency was being used. You have to know the year and what the book should sell for more or less in the US or Canada. If you look at the Jack L. Chalker page you can seen may of my examples of this.Thanks :-)Kraang 14:20, 2 Jul 2007 (CDT)

On second thought i approved your edit and changed the other one. This way its not in your rejects.Kraang 14:46, 2 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I think (as I had a quick peek while the submission was on hold) that someone (Brin1?) copied my 1990 edition to create a 1972 edition? Obviously I don't mind someone cloning my submissions, but when they do I think they should double-check what it says in notes against their pub - especially when you can use them to go off and create a load of other "stub" printings from the information. Often the prior printing history disagrees with other publications, which is why I entered lots of notes in my pub instead. I DO create prior "stub" publications based on later editions, but so far only with infrequently reprinted titles, years apart. That's just my preference - we haven't solved the problems of displaying EVERY printing of a book that's been reprinted 50 times in England, 40 in the USA, 30 in Australia et cetera, so I've left the data in notes till now, so that if I get run over by a bus tomorrow, the data is still here to be used. I just think entering all the stub entries at once will make the pages messy and I'd rather get all MY publications entered before that happens. ;-) BLongley 17:24, 2 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Don - feel free to carry on creating the stubs, it's just MY preference that we don't do that till the active editors have entered their verifiable ones: and Kraang, do feel free to challenge edits - I know my method is going to make it a pain to FIND where the extra info I left actually IS. I know I can find it in the database backups but that's not going to be much of a help to the editors left behind to fill in the final gaps! ;-) BLongley 17:24, 2 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Anyway, you two carry on, you're both doing fine. BLongley 17:24, 2 Jul 2007 (CDT)

A publisher called "f"?

I think you may have had finger trouble on this pub? ;-) BLongley 15:08, 4 Jul 2007 (CDT)

What usually happens is I type "f" and the macro shows me all the Publishers that start with "F" in this case Fawcett Crest. I fix it now. Don Erikson 00:19, 5 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Nightfall and Other Stories

Don one of the thing you can do with a title that has been changed(a variant) is use the add title button at the bottom of the contents and put in the correct title or titles. For the titles that are incorrect leave the page # blank. When it has been approved bring up the publication and click on the "Remove titles from this pub" and mark the titles to be removed. This will remove titles from this publication and not effect other publications. Its a two step process. I'll approve this and let you go back and make the changes.Thanks! :-)Kraang 21:40, 5 Jul 2007 (CDT)

You can actually do both steps without waiting for approval, if you can remember which titles need removing without the page note. I tend to use "NA" for page numbers to make it clear what I want to remove later, or what I'd be happy for Mods to remove on my behalf: see here. We haven't adopted a convention yet though, so feel free to mark them any way you feel fits. I personally leave blank page numbers for some items I DON'T intend to remove, e.g. Interiorart entries, so I don't support Marc's suggestion there. But a convention all Mods understand would be good. BLongley 15:20, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Nine Tomorrows

You added 208213 but I'm wondering - was the Catalog # stated as 044901971 or 0-449-01971? One seller listed the book using "Fawcett 1959 0-449-01971-0" though that trailing 0 is not correct as if it was an ISBN it would be 0-449-01971-3 which is not found on the Internet. Could you also please check the printing date? You noted it as July 1967. I have a 16th printing priced at $2.25 that says "First Fawcett Crest printing, November 1969" but yet you have a 4th printing that's dated July 1967? FWIW - the catalog # on my copy is 0-449-24084-3 though it must have been printed before 1980 as there's no bar code. Marc Kupper (talk) 19:31, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I added/verified my copy. Something that may help determine if you have a "different" Fawcett printing than mine is there's an error in the table of contents which has the story All the Troubles of the World listed as All the Troubles in the World in the table of contents though it’s listed with “of” in the body of the book at the head of the story and in the page headers. Marc Kupper (talk) 19:52, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Even though it's hard for me to remember all the back to this morning, I think all I did was to add the cover artist to this listing. I would have entered the number as #M1971 and I would not have said it is a 4th printing because it is not indicated. I try to change others as little as possible, so if the original entry says "49901971" etc. I feel that in the past has been an excepted method of numbering. By the way the number on the spine says "499-01971-095"
In this case you had used clone-publication meaning you were adding a new record. When clone-publication is used unfortunately ISFDB does not log the original source publication nor does it show which fields were changed between the original and clone. Thus all of the date is "new" to the system and I could not tell that #49901971 was from the original record without a bunch of legwork.
I edited the publication you added to and changed the catalog # from to #49901971 to #499-01971-095 as that better reflects what's actually stated in the publication.
I just looked at the Nine Tomorrows title record and see two publications for 044901971. The one dated Jul 1967 is the one you added and you must have cloned NNTMRWS19X2 which is at the top of the list. Hmm, this is a judgment call thing. The new record you added is identical to the original with the exception you added the date and the note "4th printing." In this case I probably would have used edit-publication of the original to fill in the blanks (the date and 4th printing). Later, if it turns out #499-01971-095 was used for another printing someone can clone the record and change the note.
The date of that appears also was entered by some else. Of course I could have some screwed this all up myself...
The original record does not have a date and so I'll assume you entered it as part of the clone-pub.
Should I go back and edit it?
I already did the edit but then decided to then apply your edits to the original publication (NNTMRWS19X2) and deleted the one you had added. This way there's one record for #499-01971-095 and if someone comes along with a different printing they will clone this record. If the publication does not state July-1967 anywhere then please edit NNTMRWS19X2 and remove the date (make it 0000-00-00). I usually add a note that the first printing was on (date) and that this is an undated nth printing.
All three copies I own has "in" on the title page & "of" elsewhere in the book. it probably wasn't seen as a big enough problem to spend the money to fix. Don Erikson 20:47, 6 Jul 2007 (CDT)
That's up to you. I normally do add a note as it will helps explain the source of why some web sites will list the title as All the Troubles of the World (it's on 110 pages per Google). In fact, in this case as Asimov is a well known author and the error seems common I added a variant title record along with a note explaining the source of the variant. That way someone using Google is likely to run across the page and will understand why some Asimov bibliographies or story listings for Nine Tomorrows include the title All the Troubles in the World.
Generally my personal practice has been is when I spot something in a publication that looks like it could result in different interpretations (such as an author name with the middle initial on the cover but not the title page) then I document it so that others doing Internet searches/research will understand the potential sources of error/confusion regarding that publication. Likewise, if I see something that is in error I'll add a note to the affect that "Yes, the publication really does state xyzzy" so that people will understand the source of what looks like wrong data. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:42, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

What I meant when I wrote "it probably wasn't seen as a big enough problem to spend the money to fix." I was speaking of the Publisher. I wasn't implying that minor differences were unimportant.Don Erikson 16:34, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Interior artist

Please remember that rather than adding a note such as "Interior art by Tony Tallarico" that we do this using add-title and addeding an INTERIORART record. This will allow add the publication to the cover artist's bibliography in ISFDB. See these publications where you can see what I did with the publications recently added/updated.

Ok I get it now. It was the "Author" pull down for interior art that I wasn't getting. Don Erikson 16:28, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Myth Directions Dates

I have the Seventh Printing of this book with no Printing Date. Are you getting the dates from an outside source, or do the 2nd and 6th Print Runs have Printing Dates in them? CoachPaul 16:51, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Both these printing have specific printing dates that I used. Don Erikson 21:18, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Cover artist for Arc of the Dream

Is the cover artist credited as "Brook Steachman" in the publication? There is a better known artist Broeck Steadman. Could it be the same guy? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:16, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The copyright page says BROOK STEACHMAN. According to Google, the only references to this artist is in relationship to this cover. But looking at the cover I see a signature that says "E.T. Steadman". ????????????? Don Erikson 21:28, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I updated the publication notes to add a comment that both the cover artist name is spelled in the credits as "BROOK STEACHMAN", that there is a signature visible on the cover that says "E.T. Steadman" and most likely these are both Broeck Steadman. His web site,, says "See the portfolio of international illustrator and artist Broeck Steadman also known as E.T.Steadman."
The cover artist credit for the publication should remain as Brook Steachman though and I made that a pseudonym of Broeck Steadman. It's not clear if E.T. is his legal name or part of his working name. His son is named Evan Thomas Steadman and so I've e-mailed Broeck about "E.T." Marc Kupper (talk) 10:56, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Both e-mails for Broeck bounced and so "E.T." remains a mystery for now. Marc Kupper (talk) 11:31, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the input!

Just thought I'd say that first... you're not done with the "A"s yet as far as I can see, but you're already one of the most prolific editors we've found recently! I'll let you into a little secret - the Mods don't always agree on what is "right". I expect that as I'm writing this, some other Mod will be writing about how it's not a good idea to update an ISBN in an existing pub. Or updating a publication date to "0000-00-00" from a definite date. Or how you should actually really be noting Author Pseudonyms. So do feel free to join in the discussions on the community portal when something seems wrong. There is a "but" of course: you haven't answered the permissions question yet. ;-) Feel free to just leave it up to me (my inclination is to approve the edits but then remove the image links till we have permissions) but I think you're going to become a good moderator yourself someday, if you can cope with all the questions and start adding some yourself! BLongley 18:35, 7 Jul 2007 (CDT)

It's great to be here. I've just finished "A" in pb & tp and now will do the few HB I own. Then "a" anthologies. And then.... I don't know if I can keep up this pace, I don't want to burn out. I own about 20,000 pb and 1,000 HB plus may be 3,000 mags & hundreds of fanzines etc. Even at the brisk I'm going I figure this is going to take me 3 or 4 years. So we'll see. If I disappear for a while, don't worry it's probably piece-of-junk computers semi-monthly death-rattle or maybe I did burn out........oh but what a beautiful light. Don Erikson 12:04, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Wow, an SF collection with almost 25,000 items in it! Mine is only 20,000 and I thought it was a tad excessive! :)
I wouldn't worry too much about the burnout factor, the gafiation/degafiation cycle is pretty much a given in this field. Besides, as more and more editions/printings are added and verified, it makes physical verification easier. I was doing my Leinsters the other day and almost 50% were already in the database. Ahasuerus 12:25, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Goldlust and The Slaves of Lomooro

For both of these you have the comment "Albert Augustus, Jr. is a pseudonym for Charles Nuetzel." Is this something that's stated in the publications? If not, then what's the source of the pseudonym attribution?

The reason I ask is currently we have

Google finds an artist named Alfred Nuetzell also known as Al Nuetzell. is for Albert/Al which the writer of the page calls "Dad". shows that Charles Nuetzel must be the author/son and that he was born in 1934. Marc Kupper (talk) 11:03, 8 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I found out about the Augustus Pseudo from a Google search. I actually thought I remembered this and used Google to verify it & of course find out how to spell "Nuetzell". Don Erikson 12:11, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
This site shows Augustus, Albert, Jr. pointing to Charles (Alexander) Nuetzel - is that the one you found? Or here? Or maybe here? BLongley 12:53, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I think Clute lists this pseudonym as well, although I can't check at the moment. OCLC concurs, so it's probably a safe bet. Ahasuerus 13:14, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Yes, Clute confirms the Albert Augustus Jr pseudonym for The Slaves of Lomooro. "Alec River" and "Charles English" are also mentioned for other works. BLongley 13:26, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)
ok - the "bad" thing that I see that happened was a comment was added to a publication record that did not indicate that it was based on a secondary source. The assumption is that everything stated in a publication is exactly how it's stated in the publication. If you want to add additional information then it should be clearly noted that the information is from another source (and ideally you also cite the exact source(s) for the additional information. For example, it would have been ok to write "I believe the author Albert Augustus, Jr. is a pseudonym for Charles Nuetzel. ~Don Erikson" and left it at that. You are the source and there's no need to dig up further information unless you happen to have the time/resources. Ideally those comment's would be left on Albert Augustus, Jr.'s bibliographic notes page (Author:Albert_Augustus,_Jr. rather than in the publication notes. You or someone else could then research for sources to confirm or disprove this belief.
I deleted the original publication comments and once this thread peters out we can copy/paste the relevant portions as supporting documentation for the pseudonym attribution to Author:Charles Nuetzel where I've already added some comments. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:31, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Friends Of The Horseclans II

Don, according for the notes "Story title "Kilsister" changed to "Killsister" as per content page and title on story page." But in the Modified Contents you are changing "Killsister" (note the two "l"s) to "Killlsister" (note the three "l"s). Which is correct? CoachPaul 16:33, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I thought I changed that. It's 2 Ls. Don Erikson 20:38, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I went ahead and approved the edit, and then changed the name of the story back to 2 Ls. If I have mis-interpreted what you meant, please change it to whatever it is supposed to be. CoachPaul 20:50, 9 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Seventh Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories and F. L. Wallace

I have approved The Seventh Fontana Book of Great Ghost Stories, but I had to remove the newly added ANTHOLOGY title from the Publication. When Cloning an Anthology Publication (or Adding a Publication to an existing Anthology), the original Anthology Title is included in the resulting Publication behind the scenes. Ditto with Collection Titles, so adding an extra Title manually results in two identical Anthology (or Collection, as the case may be) Titles in the same Publication. The catch is that our software tries to behave "intuitively" and doesn't display Anthology Titles in associated Publication records' tables of contents, which often leads to even more confusion. We may have to revisit this whole area at some point, probably in the fall, when Al, our programmer, comes back.

Also, removing a bogus Anthology Title from an Anthology Publication is not easy since the software tries to be "fool proof" and doesn't allow you to remove it directly. If you have an extra Anthology Title in an Anthology Publication, you need to change the Title record's type to Novel (or something else) first and only then will you be able to Remove it from the Publication.

Finally, you entered a note in Galactic Empires 2 to the effect that "Floyd L. Wallace is shown as F. L. Wallace". I went ahead and replaced the "Floyd L. Wallace" Title record with an "F. L. Wallace" Title record in this anthology as per Help:How to change a story in a collection. Does it look OK now? Thanks! Ahasuerus 22:02, 12 Jul 2007 (CDT)

It sounds like I'm causing more problems than normal for all hear. I'll try to do better.

The Wallace entry looks right. I'm going to dribble in Anthology entries instead of doing then in large groups. It can take up to 45 minutes to enter the contents and because of computer problems here it could take three tries to get it to work. Frustration abounds. Don Erikson 09:25, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Feel free to enter anthologies in chunks, leaving a note to the moderator such as "Work in progress, more contents to come". You're not the only person that has computer problems, we're quite used to this. I think I took Four days to do this monstrosity for instance, due to all the variants! BLongley 12:17, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Creature Creature

You added The Creature Creature 209661 with the author as Brian Ball.

  1. Is that title correct? I know of The Night Creature by Brian_N._Ball. Please check the title on both the front cover, spine, and title page as there's something fishy about this book. Using catalog # M3167 I found two AbeBooks listings for this
    1. Night Creature Of Things Undead Which Rise At Night to Menace the Living by Brian Ball
    2. Night Creature by Brian N. Ball
  2. Is the author name stated as Brian Ball on both the cover, spine, and title page? He uses Brian N. Ball much more often.

Note that we enter the version of the title and author name that's on the title page but if the cover is different then ideally that gets documented. I usually also check the spine. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:52, 12 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I looked at the Brian N. Ball page and didn't see it then relooked, then rerelooked and then... and still missed it. Shesh!

On the cover, spine, title page, copyright page and even in ad on the last page it is "Brian Ball" No middle initial. Don Erikson 09:33, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Thank you Don. What's the title? I'm assuming it's not The Creature Creature but it's not clear if it's The Night Creature, Night Creature, or something else. It's a little easier to do with FireFox but I normal use the browser's search function (Ctrl-F) to look for the title on the page and plus hit F3 (continue search) to make sure I know about all the instances of the title as sometimes there's two or more records. In this case it should have been easy as there were no books for Brian_Ball before you added this record which is why I has asked about if the book consistently used "Brian Ball". Marc Kupper (talk) 18:12, 15 Jul 2007 (CDT)

This book is "The Night Creature" Don Erikson 09:29, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Disaster Area

I took your note The story "Build-Up" appears under variant title "The Concentration City" in this pub you entered and created the variant relationship. Is this the way you intended it to look? BLongley 12:12, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Yes that's it. It tried to figure out how to do it my self but... I seem to lack that required brain cells. Don Erikson 12:45, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Variants can be a real confusion, I agree. I think in this case you could have cloned a different edition to get the title you wanted, but there were two copies of "The Concentration City" around, only one of which was linked as variant title. BLongley 13:08, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Feel free to just make it clear in your notes what you want the title to be in YOUR book, and when you discover "previously published as..." information we aren't showing already, note that too - it's all useful stuff! For learning how to do it though, it's best to start small, e.g. one title as a variant of another title by exactly the same author, one who has no pseudonyms. I'm happy to explain the steps I take in converting your notes to the version we end up with, but as I say it's best to start with the very simplest edits so this isn't it. But I'd like to get you up to speed before you encounter, say, Julia Gray and Jonathan Wylie. ;-) BLongley 13:08, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Ballard's Terminal Beach

I have a copy of Ballard's "Terminal Beach" no "The", (Berkley Medallion F928 $0.50) that only has nine of the twelve stories that appear in the UK editions. I can't alter a clone version and adding a "new" collection under the same title may cause problems. So what do I do?Don Erikson 12:55, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

You can probably clone one of these rather than one of these? Or if the UK editions are actually more similar to your copy, then clone one of those and put the page numbers for the missing titles as 'NA' or something else that indicates they aren't really in your pub. We can fix it after the cloning with "Remove Titles from this pub" and add any missing titles later. But do have a look at both titles and see which is a better starting point. BLongley 13:15, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Ooooh! I didn't notice a separate entry for this title, I'll go and edit the one you linked to. Thanks for the info. Don Erikson 14:17, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Wind from Nowhere

Price: $1.95? Should this be "Price: £1.95" or is there a US printing I wasn't expecting? BLongley 13:22, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

It is $1.95. A closer look at the copyright page says "Printed in the United States of America by Offset Paperback Mfrs., Inc. Dallas, Pennsylvania" So I guess they had some US editions too.

Interesting... I'm not sure the printing numbers will be accurate here then, though. The 1974 UK editions were specifically NOT for sale in the US or Canada, I think we have separate series here. Is the cover art really identical or is there some minor difference? Ah well, just add lots of notes and we'll sort it out eventually!. BLongley 14:30, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I'll go back and edit the entry I made earlier for "The Drowned World" It was also $1.95. Don Erikson 14:05, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

On further inspection, the copyright page says "Except in the United States of America, this book is sold subject to the condition that..." etc. starts this usual long-winded UK copyright warning.

Does this mean it is for the US market? My guess yes.

I own both the UK and US(?) versions and the covers are identical. Don Erikson 13:17, 14 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Empire of the Sun

What's the reason behind wanting to update this edition to a date of "0000-00-00"? There seem to be several copies for sale here, where they've dated it pretty clearly as 1987. Of course, I can't say WHY, but I'm reluctant to make data here less clear without good reason. BLongley 13:32, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I changed it because there is no indication on the book itself of date of this 3rd printing. Of course the 1987 date could be from an outside source, I guess I should rely on who ever originally entered the info.

Don Erikson 14:12, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I think that's safest. If you DO spot anything that dates it a bit better, let us know. In the mean-time, I'll approve your edit and put it back to the original date, with a note asking any other verifier to explain how it got dated that way. If you do come across others like that, feel free to add notes on the printing about how you've checked the existing data but couldn't confirm that particular field. Someone may be able to clarify it later. BLongley 14:37, 13 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Bibliographic comments for BKTG13068

Those dates often come from Amazon which gets them from the publishers. The dates are accurate but there are two issues with them.
  1. Publishers upload the on-sale-by date which is when bookstores can start selling a book. This is often mid-way through the month before the date stated in the publication.
  2. At one time the dates were accurate but may not be stated in the publications in the case of reprints. Years later the dates may not be accurate because a publisher may reprint a book with the same ISBN and may or may not change the date. In this case 0671648772 has "Pocket; Reissue edition (December 15, 1987)", 0671648772 says "Pocket Books (Mm); Reissue edition (Nov 1987)", and 0671648772 has "Pocket Books (Mm); Reissue edition (November 1987)." all of which could account for a 1987 date for the publication. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:11, 17 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Getting back to removing the 1987 - When I do this I usually add a note explaining that the ISFDB record had a date of 1987 but there was no explanation of the source. Thus I document that the date existed for the ISFDB record as I've found that ISFDB data tends to be accurate and it's a matter of figuring out the source of the data. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:14, 17 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Asylum and Circus

Don could you check this pub [9] it came up with a bad sum check for the ISBN. Should it be 0-532-19172-2? Thanks :-)Kraang 21:23, 14 Jul 2007 (CDT)

It says 0-532-19172-7 both on the spine & copyright page. Don Erikson 09:31, 15 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Okay i'll adjust the Cat# field and add into notes about the ISBN# error. Thanks!Kraang 10:48, 15 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I would not make the assumption that it's the checksum that's wrong. For example, if we transpose the 72 near the end to 27 we end up with 0-532-19127-7 which has a correct checksum. My observations are that 0-532- is the correct prefix for Manor in that time period and that 19172 is on the high side for 1977 which seems to run from about 12471 to 19156. 19172 is just out of range but 19127 with the transposed digits fits well.
Another possibility is a single digit error. 0-532- is correct and so working my way down a digit at a time it's
  • 0532191727 - Original value where checksum does not match
  • 0532291727
  • 0532181727
  • 0532198727
  • 0532191927
  • 0532191757
  • 0532191722 - None of these found a book but it's possible one of this is the correct ISBN.
In summary - All we can do with this one is to document that the ISBN was printed wrong and to document exactly what's stated in each part of the publication.
Don - An AbeBooks seller has an image at [10]. It looks like it says "(blurry) 19172 * $1.50" at the top but no ISBN. If that's the case I would document this too including whatever the blurry stuff is that can't be read in the photo. It seems to establish that 19172 is correct and that it would be the checksum that's wrong.
I'm copying this thread to the bibliographic notes for the publication at Publication:SLMNDCRCSK1977. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:41, 15 Jul 2007 (CDT)
ps: I just updated the pub-notes but also saw that the pub is for $1.95 while the image seems to show a $1.50 edition. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:43, 15 Jul 2007 (CDT)

after checking again the numbers for this book are correct. We can only assume it is a publisher's error.The cover price is $1.95. The picture looks like $1.95 to me but I can see how anyone could see it as $1.50. As to the number being high for the year, that's probably because of the error.Don Erikson 09:23, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Zilov Bombs

That "4'-" on this pub is pre-decimal British currency, meaning "4 shillings", and gets entered as "4/-". No other currency symbol needed, you know only the British would have such a silly scheme. ;-) BLongley 10:51, 15 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Planet Seekers

Could you please double check if this book was published as by "R. L. Fanthorpe" (as currently entered in your submission) or as by "Erle Barton" (as OCLC believes)? Thanks! Ahasuerus 12:10, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)

When you do a search for Erle Barton you are sent to the Fanthorpe page. When you "Add Publication" to this title, Fanthorpe appears in the author box. I figured that this was what was suppose to happen.Don Erikson 18:53, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Ah, I see! Thanks, I have approved and massaged the submission so that it displays correctly now.
The underlying problem was that you had no easy way of getting to the pseudonymous ("Erle Barton") title in order to Add a Publication to it. When you pulled up the master Title record (under Fanthorpe ), the pseudonymous Title was displayed, but it wasn't selectable. This was due to a problem with our software that occasionally makes it difficult to get to the right Title record. The only way around it is to pull up the Barton pseudonym page, then click on the "Titles" option in the navigation bar on the left, from where you can finally access the pseudonymous title. Admittedly, it's a pain and should be at the top of our list of things to fix once Al is again available in another 6 weeks or so. Sorry about the confusion! Ahasuerus 21:15, 16 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Night Ride and Other Journeys

Your copy of Night Ride and Other Journeys has pseudonyms listed for some of the stories - is this really the case, or are they really all credited to Charles Beaumont? BLongley 14:55, 19 Jul 2007 (CDT)

That's right I was going to change those. No pseudonyms are mentioned on the contents page or the acknowledgements. Don Erikson 16:04, 19 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Pierre Benoit's L'Atlantide/Atlantida

I approved your submission and then found that we already had this publication on file. Moreover, it had been Verified by Kraang. However, there were 2 problems with the pre-existing publication record: it was linked to the master title, L'Atlantide, instead of the English Variant Title, Atlantida, and there was no source given for the publication date (1964). I have moved the old publication record under Atlantida, so that's fixed now. As far as the source of the 1964 publication date goes, it should be easy to look up in Tuck, Reginald or even Clute/Nicholls (which I can't access at the moment since I am on the road). Do you have them handy, by any chance? If you do, we can add a note to the original Publication record, delete the new record and leave Kraang a note with an explanation of the change. Thanks! Ahasuerus 14:53, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I verified the 1964 date through Tuck. Mhhutchins 15:23, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)
My guess is that the 1964 date was determined by comparing the date of other Ace books. Both F-280 & F-285 were from 1964. Clute/Nicholls doesn't mention a date. Don Erikson 15:29, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Thanks, folks, I have added a note to the Verified Publication, left a note for Kraang and zapped the second publication record. Ahasuerus 15:47, 20 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Binder Titles actually listed by Earl and Otto

I have approved them but just want to make sure whether the titles were published as by Eando Binder or whether or not Earl and Otto are specfically credited?--swfritter 10:53, 22 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I made sure to check for either Eando or Otto. I don't seem to have any Earl separately, so far.Don Erikson 18:42, 22 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Wiz Book

I consulted OCLC and they list The Wiz Book: The Wonderful Wizard of Oz as an alternate title, so I made it into one. Hopefully, it will help our users find their book on Baum's Summary page. Ahasuerus 18:12, 23 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Quincunx of Time

Re: the 1973 Dell edition of The Quincunx of Time, the Publication record currently states that "Cover artist is uncredited and signature is not visible on cover." Since you have submitted Paul Lehr as the cover artist, could you please clarify where you found the attribution? Did the original verifier (User:Kraang) miss the signature/attribution or was the artist identified in a secondary source? Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:50, 23 Jul 2007 (CDT)

First let me put on my asbestos underwear.... I attributed this cover to Lehr because ...well... it is obviously done by Lehr. There are some artists that are so distinctive that you know who they are. I don't attribute a cover artist without being 100% sure. When in doubt I leave it out.

Artist like Lehr ,Frazetta, Gaughan, Schoeherr. Jeff Jones, Dean Ellis, John Berkey etc. have such distinct styles that they're uniquely their own. Should an artist not get credit for unattributed work? Don Erikson 12:21, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I agree they should - but unless you leave a note as to why you've added something that's not verifiable on the publication, people will challenge it. Just as people challenge publication dates, etc... ;-) BLongley 17:25, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)
If you're that good at identifying artists, fine, just say YOU recognise the artist. I'm not that good - I can spot a Josh Kirby cover from the 80s or 90s easily, but very few others. Vallejo, maybe. If I want to verify a Publication that has extra information that I can't support, I'll just add a note saying which bits I couldn't confirm. Notes, notes, and MORE notes seems to be the way to go for now! BLongley 17:25, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Some artists are so distinctive that other artists copy them.--swfritter 18:40, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)

There's John Berkey's imitator Attila Hejja (or how ever he spells his name this week), but he signs his work prominently and hasn't Berkey's sense of color and free brush work. The worst I find are the copiers of Chris Foss which there are many. Complicated by Foss's normal lack of signatures and British publishers unwillingness to credit cover artist.

Yes, that happens. :-/ This pub at least had the artist say who he was TRYING to copy. Dismal failure, IMO, but better we know who tried to copy who. One pub that bugged me tonight - I've seen that art before, but I was thinking "Album Cover" rather than "Book Cover". Any ideas? BLongley 19:09, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Is this the book your thinking of Don Erikson 21:22, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)

No, I'd not seen that book before. That picture has been used in several places, I'm sure, I just can't think where I saw the FULL, original version. Do you know who the artist is? BLongley 04:46, 27 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Ah, found it! It's from Cultosaurus Erectus by Blue Oyster Cult, and is by Richard Clifton-Dey. BLongley 06:11, 27 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I knew if seen this art before. Being I was a huge BOC fan at one time (I was there for the recording of their live double-album (best concert ever! 6 encors!))Don Erikson 10:24, 27 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I only ever saw BOC live once, around 1985. There's only been about four years of my life when gigs were easy to get to, that was one of them. I saw Hawkwind that year too - now THERE'S a band that you expect to appear here at the ISFDB quite often! BLongley 13:13, 27 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Sorry about having this submission on hold for so long. I have approved/massaged it and hopefully the end result looks reasonable. Ahasuerus 01:42, 19 Aug 2007 (CDT)

The Airmont edition of The Duplicated Man

Don, you would like to change the publication date of the first printing of the Airmont edition of The Duplicated Man from 1964-10-00 to 0000-00-00. This Publication record was verified by User:Scott Latham back in April, so I am hesitant to remove the date. I checked the OCLC catalog and they also believe that the Airmont edition was published in 1964. Could you please double check your copy to see if the date is perhaps printed in some obscure place? Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:59, 23 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I changed it because the $.040 (and I assume earlier edition) also had the 1964-10-00 date. So later printing dates become unknown. Don Erikson 12:31, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I'm always wary of changing dates apart from adding a month to a publication that only had a year before. I REALLY don't like changing a definite date to 0000-00-00 (unknown) - the date was presumably there for a reason, even if the explanation hasn't been left in notes. And I Double-Really don't like changes to verified pubs without explanation - if I was to accept such a change, I'd at least like to see a note added about why the change was made. BLongley 17:13, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Of course, the whole issue of "0000-00-00" is up for debate - feel free to come and give your views here for instance. I feel that if all a pub has is a First Printing Date and a Printing Number, then we should use BOTH those rather than lose the First Printing date by making the publication '0000-00-00'. I try and leave notes about all prior printings in each pub I enter so that we can connect them all eventually - printing numbers often carry on over several imprints of the same publisher, so we couldn't necessarily sort out, for instance, 20 printings across Grafton/Granada/Panther if we don't know what the original starting point is. BLongley 17:13, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Anyway, enough grumbling from me - I'm happy accepting NEW Pubs with a 0000-00-00, as I see you have in the queue, but if there's ANY sort of publishing date on them I'd like to see that in the notes at least, even if you prefer NOT to put an exact but probably not correct date in the Date field itself. BLongley 17:13, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)
I see your point. I will strive to note date info. You can't have to much information.

Don Erikson 10:08, 27 Jul 2007 (CDT)

I don't think we have the $0.40 printing in the database at the moment. If you happen to have a copy, could you please enter it and then we could add a comment to the $0.60 one? TIA! Ahasuerus 01:37, 19 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Blish's Seedling Stars

Your submission for this new edition looked somewhat odd in that the 7th printing reverted to the catalog number of the first. Perhaps you were cloning from the first edition and didn't update the catalog number?

Metadata Column Proposed Values Title The Seedling Stars Authors James Blish Tag - Year 0000-00-00 Publisher Signet Pages 158 Binding pb PubType COLLECTION Isbn #S1622 Price $1.25 Artists - Image - Note 7th printing as per number line. Submitted by: Don Erikson

Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:06, 26 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Yes, it was a cloning mishap, I guess. I resubmitted the entry.Don Erikson 10:04, 27 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Astronaut

I approved your addition of The Astronaut but then changed the ISBN from 0-446-75521-X to 0-446-76521-X. You may want to double check your publication to see if it says 0-446-76521-X as my source was via scanning Abebooks listings when I noticed the checksum was wrong. Marc Kupper (talk) 16:17, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)

You're right I got it wrong. The fix is correct.Don Erikson 17:21, 28 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Bond's The Other World

I accepted your submission of this title, but changed the price, removing the pound sign. In pre-decimal British prices the 2/6 referred to shillings and pence. So just enter prices from the 1950/60s UK editions as "2/6" or "3/6", etc. Mhhutchins 10:44, 29 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Citing cecondary sources

Hi Don, sometimes you add notes that contain secondary sources such as

These notes are useful but could you also cite the source of the secondary data? It's ok if the source is "personal recollection", "personal judgment based on the publisher, style of painting, etc.", or "is credited as name on Locus", etc. This will do two things. 1) It makes it clearer the data is secondary and not something stated in the publication. 2) If it turns out the information is wrong, or is disputed, then knowing, or being able to consult/correct the original secondary source(s) is useful.

Also, it seems that if you know firmly that Dean Ellis did the cover for As on a Darkling Plain then you might as well credit him on the Artist1 line. We'd leave the field blank if we did not have a reliable secondary source. Marc Kupper (talk) 13:18, 29 Jul 2007 (CDT)

You are right. I am not being clear about cover artist info. I've been collecting for neigh on this last thirty years and have two art degrees, I sometimes think in my arrogance that my personal judgment is enough. From now on I'll more clearly preface my claims something like "personal judgment based on the publisher, style of painting, etc." as you suggested. Don Erikson 09:55, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Clone for other edition

Hi Don - I know this one is not covered in the ISFDB help pages but I saw a publication update for As on a Darkling Plain where you

  • Changed the year from 1991-00-00 to 0000-00-00
  • Added the note 2nd printing as per number line.

In this case I approved your update but then decided to change the date to 1991-06-15 plus added a note about the source of this secondary information. What had caught my attention was the loss of information (the 1991-00-00) from ISFDB. If I had not been able to locate a source for "1991" I would have added a publication note that the ISFDB record used to state "1991-00-00". My thinking here is that nearly all of the information in ISFDB is accurate but that we don't know the sources for it. Rather than just deleting/overwriting the data I usually try to either locate a secondary source that substantiates the data or at least make a note of it before overwriting/deleting it.

The only data I routinely overwrite without bothering to research sources or to document the original value is the page count as that number is often wildly wrong right from the source (the publishers). Marc Kupper (talk) 13:54, 29 Jul 2007 (CDT)

The Dueling Machine

re, your addition of The Dueling Machine with the note "Because of nonstandard system of indicating printing, it isn't clear if this a first or second printing. If it is a 1st then the date is 1973-01-00. If a 2nd then the date is unknown."

I would go ahead with dating the publication 1973-01-00 and leave your note in there. I am curious as to what the non-standard system is.

BTW, is your cover painting the same as [11]? That's my Berkley edition cover but it's also a Ken Barr artwork. Marc Kupper (talk) 17:50, 29 Jul 2007 (CDT)

On the copyright page has a regular "First printing, January, 1973", but above on the page it says:

Second printing Third printing

...down to...

Tenth printing

 A sort of early version of the number line. Some publishers leave the 1st printing slug and remove the first number on the number line. Others never use a 1st in a number line and rely on the "First printing"

slug. So it is unclear to me which printing this is.

The art for the covers of the Ace & Berkley are the same.

Thank you Don - I updated the notes for my publication to note the cover painting is the same as the earlier Ace edition and also updated the record for your Signet The Dueling Machine to note the number line details. I took a look at Abebooks to see if I could spot an early Signet edition that was not Q5328 and thus perhaps the 1st printing. I was unable to locate one. Quite a few sellers called their copy a "Tenth Printing" and so that non-standard "number line" really throws people for a spin. DAW did it that way too though only for a couple of months before they switched to the number line format that we are more familiar with. I suspect you have a second printing but let's see if someone shows up with a copy that starts out "First Printing." That's one of the reasons I listed the entire "number line" in the publication notes as then someone with a "First Printing" should notice and hopefully just clone the record for your copy. Marc Kupper (talk) 12:28, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)
Don - One other question about your Signet edition. Is there any evidence of the ISBN 0-451-05328-1, perhaps on the copyright page? See 0451053281 which also has images with the person who uploaded the 3rd image calling it a "10th printing" but I can't quite read the text-line on the right edge to see if this cover is the 95 cent version. Marc Kupper (talk) 12:45, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Using a little graphic magic I looked at that 3rd image and it is the $0.95 edition. I remember back in the olden times when I thought all those early DAWs were 10th printings. But I figured out that couldn't be right. Don Erikson 14:20, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)

Thank you Don. BTW - as you seem to have a copy you might as well verify The Dueling Machine. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:20, 30 Jul 2007 (CDT)


Hi Don: I approved your update to this edition but the Amazon coverart link doesn't work. There IS a Customer Image at amazon though, here, would that be the correct one?
I'm afraid a lot of these broken Amazon links are around - personally, if I'm editing a publication from a primary source and encounter such I look for the right image, and replace it if I find one: or delete that field if there's no usable image. The risk with the LZZZZZZZ.jpg URLs is that someday Amazon MAY put something there, and it won't necessarily be what you had in your hands when you did the edit! BLongley 13:34, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

That is the correct cover. Don Erikson 13:42, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Thanks for the quick response! Do you want to do the edit or shall I? BLongley 13:57, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Verily I have thusly verified.Don Erikson 16:48, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

The Starcrossed by Ben Bova

I went ahead and approved your edit of the 1984 version of this book, but before I did so I cloned it. Unless that you know for a fact that there was no copies of the book at $2.75 it should be cloned and not edited, with the new price, CoverArt attribution, and new notes added to the clone. However doing a straight clone first, and then editing in the new information to one of the clones is acceptable too. Just make a note in the "notes" section of the pub so the Mods know what is going on. CoachPaul 16:24, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Good catch. I know better than to do anything that would cause the loss of information. Don Erikson 16:49, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)


I approved the new listing of this pub, but the ISBN that you entered has 11 digits not 10, and I can't figure out which is the extra digit. Please double check and fix it. Thanks! CoachPaul 16:35, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Sorry. Had one too many twos, I made the edit. Don Erikson 16:50, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Andromeda Gun by John Boyd

If you're going to put a personal judgment into the notes column, you need to separate what is yours from what was originally there, and then put who you are. If not, whoever read the notes would have thought that the person who Verified the pub, Kraang in this case, was the one who had left the note. Also it is customary and polite to notify someone else before making any changes to a pub that they have Verified. CoachPaul 16:44, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Right, there have been cases when one editor would verify a Publication record, then another editor would come along, assume (incorrectly) that his printing was the same as the verified one and add more notes based on his copy. Not that I would ever do a thing like that myself! (crosses fingers behind the back :-)
After a few near misses, it became rather obvious that any time you updated a verified Publication record, the safe thing to do was to leave a Wiki note for the verifier and ask him to check that the added data matches his copy. It's not a 100% guarantee since you can't see each other's copies (especially the cover art), but it helps avoid 90% of potential collisions. Ahasuerus 17:36, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Good point. I will remember (I hope) to do so. Is it OK to add a personal judgment to a non-verified entry without "signing" it? Are just initials ok? Don Erikson 20:27, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

I tend to sign everything that is personal judgment, unless I have Verified the pub, in which case my name is already linked to it. This way if someone disagrees with me, they know who to discuss the matter with. CoachPaul 00:35, 3 Aug 2007 (CDT)

John Boyd's Barnard's Planet

If you're entering from the actual book, can you check to see if 0-425-03239-6 is the ISBN for this edition? That's the number on OCLC. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:46, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

I missed the, in this case, the SBN on the copyright page. I've corrected the entry. Don Erikson 20:26, 2 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Illustrations for Bradbury's Halloween Tree

I accepted your submission of this new edition of Bradbury's story, but changed the title of Mugnaini's illustrations to the title of the novel. This would be what appears on the artist's summary page. Otherwise the title you provided ("illustrations") would not aid someone searching for this specific work. Keep that in mind when adding interior illustrations to future submissions. Thanks for the contribution. Mhhutchins 16:08, 9 Aug 2007 (CDT)

To tell the truth I didn't know what to do. Now I know, makes perfect sense. Don Erikson 12:40, 10 Aug 2007 (CDT)

I can't tell you how many "Oh yeah, so that's the way you do it" moments I've had in the short time I've been working on the database. And I'm still having them! Mhhutchins 15:39, 10 Aug 2007 (CDT)

R is for Rocket

Don can you check this publication 1969-01-00 / #HP4398 / $0.60, you have in notes "14th Printing. Printing date from copyright page of 11th printing." Thanks :-)Kraang 18:02, 13 Aug 2007 (CDT)

It's Typo-tacular! Should be "16th". I'll fix it right! Don Erikson 13:04, 16 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Ok, so maybe Kraang will fix it. That makes more sense. Don Erikson 13:09, 16 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Ok, it's fixed, although the date and the printing number seem wrong. The 1972 Bantam Pathfinder edition is listed as the 11th printing? Was the Pathfinder a new imprint title for the Bantam R is for Rocket? Kraang 20:03, 16 Aug 2007 (CDT)

Dating pubs from Popular Library

I approved your submission of this new pub, but I have a question about the date. Based on your note, you seem to have figured out how to date pubs from Popular Library. I've worked on so many submissions in which the editor used the copyright date, and, knowing they're wrong, I would change the date to 0000-00-00 (unknown). What's the secret? Mhhutchins 18:38, 24 Aug 2007 (CDT)

No big secret. Some PopLib books I've noticed have a date, in this case 1-74, on the last page of text. I've noticed that the date is usually, but not always the month before any date on the the copyright page. But because this date isn't definitive I think the month given isn't reliable enough to use. I don't know how wide spread this dating is used to make it all that useful. Don Erikson 12:21, 25 Aug 2007 (CDT)


Just a reminder that we always enter a space between initials, thus "J. K. Potter" as opposed to "J.K. Potter" :) Ahasuerus 19:10, 1 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Re: "Kerning": he's just using a fancy word at you[1], don't worry about it. Unless you're really casting each letter of every submission into metal type before somehow converting such into binary transmissions over this-here inter-web-thingummy, Ahasuerus just means we usually use a space after each "." ;-) I don't get that pernickety [2].
[1] Possibly showing affectation, boasting, flamboyance, flaunting, grandstanding, pomposity, pompousness, pretentiousness, showiness, swaggering, and other doobries. [3]
[2] OK, maybe I do. But it's only FUN! ;-) BLongley 20:14, 1 Sep 2007 (CDT)
[3] "Doobries" IS a word, honest. One of my best friend's mates invented it, when his use of "Dongle" got stolen. BLongley 20:14, 1 Sep 2007 (CDT)
I blame Al! He started it! Ahasuerus 21:54, 1 Sep 2007 (CDT)
You missed a space in "H.R. van Dongen" today as well. No real biggy, most people seem to care less about the artists. It just helps if it's already right before I do my "Spacing-Nazi" scans... BLongley 15:44, 6 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Well, so this is where everybody went. I finally found my way back, I thought the talk page was a goner. Ok I'll put a space 'tween initials from now on, didn't remember there a rule. By the way , kerning doesn't apply to spaces between letters and words to delineate them each other. Kerning applies to the spacing between letters (and the spaces between words) usually for style and justification and is independent of punctuation. (Hey! My 25 year old degree in Graphic Arts finally good for something). Don Erikson 10:44, 7 Sep 2007 (CDT)

As Ahasuerus said - "Blame Al!" ;-) I have a suspicion Dissembler is responsible for some of the misspacings too - I find it's the most common reason for Author-merging now. BLongley 13:16, 7 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Like he said...

Thanks for entering this new pub, but remember to place spaces after the periods in authors' names. (L. A. G. Strong and L. P. Hartley). I'll let you make the corrections. If you need help, just ask. I trust that you're familiar with how to merge titles as well. Thanks. Mhhutchins 12:39, 3 Sep 2007 (CDT)

After no response from you, I went ahead and made the changes that should have been done when the submission was accepted. I did the following:
  1. Changed "L.P. Hartley" to "L. P. Hartley" (on two records)
  2. Changed "L.A.G. Strong" to "L. A. G. Strong"
  3. Corrected the title of the Hartley story from "Someone on the Lift" to "Someone in the Lift"
  4. Merged these stories with existing records: "Harry", "The Tower", "Ringing the Changes", "The Telephone" and "Someone in the Lift"

I hope this goes through, it is my 3rd attempt. I seem to able to connect here only intermittently. I'll have to brush up on merging before adding new short fiction. Don Erikson 10:11, 10 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Stand on Zanzibar

Just a heads-up that although some of your editions' dates went through OK despite not having the official date format (e.g. "-8-" for month worked instead of "-08-"), "1974-06" didn't and I had to enter the day myself. BLongley 15:30, 6 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Oh, and apparently YOUR user page is a bit difficult to get to due to the current ""/"" problems, so don't be too surprised if people aren't talking to you as much (this has taken me four attempts!). Keep up the good work! BLongley 15:30, 6 Sep 2007 (CDT)

By the way, I'm zapping any broken ".01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" Amazon cover-art links I see on the grounds that if they ever DO work, it will be with a random image that can't have been checked. Leaving a working one might be OK, if it's an out-of-print edition, but either doing the zapping yourself or adding a correct, stable one would help us moderators.
Glad to see you're on Brunner at the moment - I'm finding a lot of variants, expansions, rewrites etc in his works, so if you can point out anything like that as you check the books please do add notes. I hate buying the same work two or three times under different titles, but haven't finished my collection of his works by any means yet. He's only a shelf-full so far, but it's half a shelf at the bottom of the last bookcase in the living-room (behind the sofa) and the top left of the first bookcase in the dining-room, so a bit awkward when I do MY checks! BLongley 15:59, 6 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Robert Buckner's "Starfire"

Tuck and Worldcat show the publisher of this title is Permabook. Can you double check? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:56, 10 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Oops! With my less than perfect eyesight I mistook the Permabook anchor logo for Pocket's Gertrude the Kangaroo. Seriously! That gold side strip they share with Pocket didn't help much either. Permabook was a part of Pocket at that time anyway, right? I'll do better in the future (if I could do better in the past things would be oh so much improved). Don Erikson 12:42, 13 Sep 2007 (CDT)
Permabook was the paperback imprint of Doubleday (thus the anchor) until mid-1954 when it was purchased by ... Pocket Books. I believe it was dissolved sometime in the late 60s. I think I'll steal your last line the next time I mess up (see this), as it seems to cover so much territory. Mhhutchins 15:25, 13 Sep 2007 (CDT)
It IS a good line - I might steal it myself! ;-) BLongley 16:38, 13 Sep 2007 (CDT)

New Destinies Volume V

According to Locus1, there never was a Volume V in this series. The issue following Volume IV was mistakenly identified as Volume VI. If your submission was based on the actual book, please double-check. Thanks. Mhhutchins 12:48, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Adding another edtion of a collection or anthology

When you added a new edition of The Second Pacific Book of Science Fiction, there was a way that the contents could have been included without having to retype them all (in this case you didn't add the contents at all.) There was a previous edition with contents. You could have cloned it, and if there had been any differences in the contents, you could have either added or removed the individual content records. Just thought you might not be aware of this option. Thanks. Mhhutchins 13:01, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

Tales of Terror and Suspense - Dell, 1974

Can you see if this edition of the title has an ISBN of 0-440-98466-1 ? Thanks. Mhhutchins 13:09, 16 Sep 2007 (CDT)

You may have wondered where I've been. yesterday I was released from the hospital after emergeny quadrupal bypass surguryI now have the heart of a man twice my age.(better than being dead I guess. If it hadden't bee fro the diet I was on before I'd prpbably be desd. Eight wweks of recovery and maybe i'll get my job back. I just hope i'll not to sell everthing I own to pay my bills. Even delealing with spellcheck is to tiring righ now. But as time sgoes on maybe I'll be back. Don Erikson 16:47, 3 Oct 2007 (CDT)
Wow! Sorry to hear about the surgery, but at the same time congratulations on dodging the bullet. I had my vacuum tubes replaced last year and things have been smooth ever since. Heck, Hugh B. Cave had an emergency surgery to unclog his arteries when he was in his mid-eighties and he lived well into his nineties, which, I suppose, goes to show that if your problems are identified and addressed before they get out of hand, you have a pretty good chance of shrugging them off these days. Get some rest and read a few books -- I know you have a couple! :) Ahasuerus 17:30, 3 Oct 2007 (CDT)

The Land of Hidden Men (1963)

Welcome back, hope you're feeling somewhat better! BLongley 13:00, 18 Nov 2007 (CST)

I've put your submission on hold for the moment as it may be the same as this edition? Please have a look and let me know. I'm not sure why there's two versions of the title in the database. BLongley 13:00, 18 Nov 2007 (CST)

I am feeling much better, thank you. But I would have been back much earlier if I hadn't had to have more surgery, this time on an unrelated abscess on my lower spine. When it rains...Don Erikson 14:52, 19 Nov 2007 (CST)
I can sympathise from the other side - last time I stayed in hospital it was for a minor abscess, and I came out with unrelated warnings about why I'd be going back there NEXT time. They told me I'd be back with heart troubles, lung cancer, or worse. I showed them though - next time I went back was due to an exploding lasagna dish. They never warned me about that! :-) BLongley 16:24, 19 Nov 2007 (CST)
What happened with The Land of Hidden Men was that I cloned from the listing that came up as an alternative title of Jungle Girl, which has different editions listed. Don Erikson 14:52, 19 Nov 2007 (CST)
I thought it must be something like that. So, what would you like to happen? Let the submission through and let someone else sort it out? I'm not qualified to judge 1963 v 1973 versions, I own neither. If you're not either - let's leave notes and make it someone else's problem! ;-) BLongley 16:24, 19 Nov 2007 (CST)
I left this so long the submission gives:
ERROR: Attempted automerge with missing title: 186581
, so I rejected it. I guess someone’s merged the 1963 and 1973 titles, and now all someone needs to do is delete the duplicates. BLongley 14:01, 2 Dec 2007 (CST)

Lost on Venus

I've held this as my eyesight isn't certain, but I suspect we'd rather clone #49501 to #49502 rather than edit it? We seem to have the first three Ace editions sorted: [12] [13] [14] I know you say yours is second printing, but it looks to be more about 4th printing? (#F-221 , then #49500, #49501, #49502? Even the 1984 versions suggest 49508 and 49509 are later ones in the sequence.) BLongley 14:33, 18 Nov 2007 (CST)

I may have clicked on edit instead of clone by mistake, I'm a little rusty. Determining the printing of multiple printed book can difficult so I try to refrain from claiming certain knowledge of them. Don Erikson 15:32, 19 Nov 2007 (CST)
OK, I'll reject that one and clone it for you instead. No worries, I've made the same mistake many times myself. BLongley 16:29, 19 Nov 2007 (CST)

Myrfa C’an and the Edgestones and Other Stories (Vanity Press)

A vanity press? [15] What gave it away? :-)Kraang 17:53, 20 Nov 2007 (CST)

Lenore Bredeson

Just to let you know that I have approved One Step Beyond and changed all of the authors' names to "Lenore Bredeson". I then entered the names of the playwrights in the Notes field of each record. Unfortunately, the name of the author of the play that "Make Me Not a Witch" was based on was garbled in the submission; could you please look it up and enter it in the Title's Notes field? TIA! Ahasuerus 23:46, 21 Nov 2007 (CST)

ERB's The Rider

I have approved your corrections to the Ace edition of The Rider. However, after poking around some, it would appear that there were at least two Ace printings of this book, one in 1974 with the ISBN (or rather an SBN) of 0-441-72782-4, which cost $1.25, and another one with the ISBN of 0-441-72282-2, so I cloned the record accordingly. I have also added the original 1937 publication and a G&D reprint from OCLC. It never ends, doesn't it? :-) Ahasuerus 21:22, 24 Nov 2007 (CST)

I've two more printings of THE RIDER that I was waiting to clone when the one I added was put up. 441-72280-125 & 0-4410-72282-2-195 on their spines respectively. There's no date for either. I'll input them Sunday sometime. Don Erikson 22:26, 24 Nov 2007 (CST)
Thanks! :) Ahasuerus 22:46, 24 Nov 2007 (CST)

Tanar of Pellucidar

Don can you check the ISBN# on this publication Tanar of Pellucidar [16]. You entered "0-448-1716-7". Thanks.Kraang 18:46, 26 Nov 2007 (CST)

Boy did I screw that one up! Not only did a drop a number from the ISBN but I got the title wrong! It's THE CAVE GIRL. And I got the pages number wrong too! Must of cloned wrong entry. Well, it's all fixed now. Don Erikson 20:31, 26 Nov 2007 (CST)

The change to the pub. title was fine, but I would have to unmerge that pub. and remerge it with the The Cave Girl title. The only thing you did wrong was to change the title in the content section. This has the effect of changing the main Tanar of Pellucidar title to The Cave Girl. Any search for the Tanar title would not find it. I can still approve your submission and set the title back. I'll also move the pub. to its proper title record. :-)Kraang 21:56, 26 Nov 2007 (CST)

The War Chief

I approved your The War Chief and changed it to Nongenre. Some of the other novels already under Burroughs look like they should probably be there also so if you have those and they are non-sf please fix them as you come to them. Dana Carson 15:02, 29 Nov 2007 (CST)

Jurgen by Cabell

You updated this pub with a note that the pages were trimmed. Are you certain that all of the copies had this shape? If not, we can note that at least one copy had the rounded shape. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:17, 6 Dec 2007 (CST)

I looked this up on abebooks and saw a copy that had the same shape as yours. I'll let the update go through. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:33, 6 Dec 2007 (CST)

Aquarius Mission by Caidin

Your update to this pub removed the date and added the first printing note. Because this is a verified copy (by Dcarson), I have to be more careful about updates. If you have a copy of the book, can you double check? It's strange that a first printing not show a date of publication. Bantam is usually pretty good about that sort of thing. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:24, 6 Dec 2007 (CST) The edition that removed the date from was an undated 4th printing. I guess I missed adding the printing number. Don Erikson 18:24, 6 Dec 2007 (CST)

I'll go ahead and reject the submission to update the verified edition (which I assume should be the first printing). Then you can create a new record for the undated 4th printing. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:11, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)

The Armada Ghost Book and the Fontana books of great horror stories

I have The Armada Ghost Book variant title submission currently on hold since I am not quite sure what the intent was. The proposed variant title/author are the same as the current ones and the only difference is in the Note field which says "This 1978 printing of this book is titled "1ST ARMADA GHOST BOOK".". Is the goal to enter the 1978 edition as "1st Armada Ghost Book", but have the contents cloned from the pre-existing 1967 publication and then make it into a variant title of the 1967 record? If so, I am afraid it will have to be a multi-step process. We will have to Clone the existing publication record first, then unmerge the resulting publication from the current Title record and then make the newly created Title into a variant of the current title. If that's your goal, please let me know and I can do it quickly -- these kinds of multi-step changes are much easier when you can approve your own submissions. Also, there were apparently at least 14 of these "Armada Ghost Books" and we will want to create an anthology series for them once we have this submission sorted out.

I also have the two Fontana Books of Great Horror Stories submissions on hold. Did you mean to clone the existing publications in order to preserve the contents instead of using Add Publication, by any chance? Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:01, 6 Dec 2007 (CST)

My goal was to indicated a variant title of the Armada book but I didn't know how. The instructions for this is to my addled little brain, unclear. So I figured if I someone else a little more savvy might know.
Ah, I see! No worries, I have made the changes that I listed above and the new publication is ready if you want to add the publisher, price, page numbers, etc from your copy. Ahasuerus 19:33, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)
Yes, I cloned the Fontana books to preserve contents and to show that the reprint wasn't different from the original. Should I use Add Publication if the contents are the same. Don Erikson 12:39, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)
Hm, something strange is going on here. There were no contents records in either one of the two Fontana submissions. After I approved the The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories, the resulting publication record had no contents. All three previously listed editions of this anthology had contents, so if you had used "Clone Publication" on one of them, the submission would have had contents. I suspect that you may have accidentally clicked on "Add Publication to this Title" instead.
In any case, I went back and used Clone on both anthologies and then used the data that you had submitted to populate the publisher/price/etc fields. The resulting publication records -- here for The Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories and here for The 3rd Fontana Book of Great Horror Stories -- are ready to have page numbers added to them. Once we know what the page counts for each story are, we can then change "shortfiction" to more specific story lengths.
Again, thanks for all the submissions! Glad to hear you are feeling better, but don't overextend yourself, post-surgery recovery can take a long time. I should know :-) Ahasuerus 19:33, 7 Dec 2007 (CST)

Erewhon by Samuel Butler

Your verified copy of this book is actually the 1976 printing, not the 1968, which would have a cheaper price. Look at the bottom of page 348 and you'll see "5-76", the date of the book's printing (though not necessarily the month of its release, but close.) Mhhutchins 14:14, 9 Dec 2007 (CST)

Unaccompanied Sonata by Card

Thanks for adding this new edition of Card's collection. Keep in mind that when adding a collection or anthology you can clone an existing pub, and the contents will be added to the new edition automatically. This will save someone from having to add the contents to the edition you added, and the content records will be automatically merged with the pre-existing records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:40, 13 Dec 2007 (CST)

Ian Cameron's The Lost Ones and sequel

I think I have finally sorted out The Lost Ones (which you submitted the other day), its sequel and various variant titles and revised editions. Take a look at the result when you get a chance :) Ahasuerus 23:56, 13 Dec 2007 (CST)

1973 Pocket Books edition of R. U. R."

Don, could you please double check the page count of the uncredited "Reader's Supplement" essay in the 1973 Pocket Books edition of R. U. R.? According to OCLC records, the page count was 39 pages in the first (1968) printing done by "Washington Square", but only 24 pages in the second (1973) printing done by Pocket. We currently have both printings listed as "114+39" pages. Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:57, 19 Dec 2007 (CST)

Oh! Good catch. I just cloned the 1st assuming... I'll go fix it now. Don Erikson 18:27, 20 Dec 2007 (CST)
Looks good, thanks! :) Ahasuerus 19:18, 20 Dec 2007 (CST)

The Dark Dimensions / The Rim Gods

I presume you entered this pub from a primary source - if so, can you tell us the page count for each book rather than the total? e.g. "206+200" or whatever. BLongley 13:29, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)

These are not the dos style pubs of the past, but a regular format novel. Some of the covers refer to them as "Ace Double". The Ace Double is a bit miss leading. For now I've left them all this way because. I may go back in the future and change it to just "Ace" with an explanation about whats printed on the covers.Kraang 19:38, 27 Dec 2007 (CST)
Ah, ok: this picture made me think of a dos-a-dos printing but of course that doesn't preclude normal printings too. (And I see Amazon have at least one wrong cover on the publication...) BLongley 06:49, 28 Dec 2007 (CST)

Double Phoenix

You might want to check Double Phoenix again, there was an Anthology/Collection mismatch and I'm not sure if I've adjusted it the way you'd like. BLongley 17:57, 29 Dec 2007 (CST)

I considered this some. It was originally listed as a collection. But being two works of fiction by two different authors under a unique title, I decided (unilaterally, I admit)that this is an anthology. Don Erikson 23:44, 29 Dec 2007 (CST)

Great Ghost Stories in Large Print

I approved the addition of Great Ghost Stories in Large Print earlier today and then, as per the Help pages, changed all author names to have a space after initials, e.g. "W.F. Harvey" became "W. F. Harvey". I also changed "Chalres" to "Charles" in Dickens' name, "Empy House" to "Empty House", and "How Fear Departes from the Long Gallery" to "How Fear Departed from the Long Gallery". I then merged the duplicates and set up variant titles as appropriate. Please take a look at the result when you get a chance to see if it looks OK. Thanks! Ahasuerus 01:48, 30 Dec 2007 (CST) Ahasuerus 01:48, 30 Dec 2007 (CST)

The (Time)? Travelling Matchmaker: Book 1: Emily Goes to Exeter

Don your submission of these two titles [17] appear to be more historical romance. All the cover images I found list the title as The Travelling Matchmaker: Book 1: Emily Goes to Exeter, without the word Time in it. Also the summaries of the books do not indicate spec. fiction. Thanks :-)Kraang 19:02, 1 Jan 2008 (CST)

Jeez! I can be such an idiot! It's NOT "Time Travelling" It is just "The Travelling Matchmaker". How I came up with "Time" is beyond me. Maybe it was the illo of a watch right next to the title. (OK so it isn't beyond me). I'd say delete both these books. Don Erikson 10:35, 2 Jan 2008 (CST)
Thanks, I'll delete them.Kraang 19:04, 2 Jan 2008 (CST)
Actually sounds like it would be an interesting story. You should write it. Dana Carson 20:53, 2 Jan 2008 (CST)

Ballantine's edition of Childhood's End

I see that you would like to clone the pre-existing Ballantine edition of Childhood End. As far as I can tell, the only difference in your cloned version is that you changed the publication date from 1953-08-24 to 1953-09-00. My guess is that Scott Latham, who verified this record and had worked in the publishing business, entered the exact publication date of the "September 1953 edition" based on some unspecified data. Unfortunately, he didn't indicate where the data had come from and he hasn't been seen around the ISFDB for a number of months :( but I think it's a pretty good bet that the edition that you are trying to add is the same as the one that we already have on file. Does it make sense? Ahasuerus 00:41, 5 Jan 2008 (CST)

Makes perfect sense. I just use what a book's copyright page says. Not wanting to contradict another entry that could be correct I add a new entry.Don Erikson 13:00, 6 Jan 2008 (CST)
Sounds like a good plan to me! I will reject the submission and add a note to the verified edition to the effect that the book itself gives September 1953 as its publication date. Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:32, 7 Jan 2008 (CST)

Stainslaw Fernandes

I've approved a few edits of yours, but you might want to check if "Stainslaw Fernandes" is actually "Stanislaw Fernandes"? Genuine typos need to be recorded, but this might be a copy'n'paste error, so I though I'd check. BLongley 17:53, 8 Jan 2008 (CST)

I thought I caught this before I sent it. It's my typo. Don Erikson 14:28, 9 Jan 2008 (CST)
OK, I'll merge Stainslaw into Stanislaw. You can double-check when you come back and do your VERIFICATION pass! ;-) BLongley 15:18, 9 Jan 2008 (CST)

Expedition to Earth

I rejected one of your Expedition to Earth entries that had no contents, as this is one of the trickier titles in the ISFDB. Apparently that title has been used for two different short stories: "History Lesson" and "Encounter [in the|at] Dawn": if you can spare the time to go check those books even more closely, I'd appreciate it. Our notes are a bit confusing at the moment, and you seem to have several editions, so should be the expert! BLongley 18:13, 8 Jan 2008 (CST)

Problem fixed. One little mistake and it can propagate through a myriad of clones. Hmm... sounds like a story idea....Don Erikson 12:27, 10 Jan 2008 (CST)

Close to Critical by Hal Clement

I'm holding your submission updating this pub until I hear back from the original verifier. Hopefully he'll get back with me soon. I know verifiers can make mistakes, especially if they're cloning from another edition. Maybe he forgot to remove the note on a 2nd printing which he cloned this pub from. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:00, 14 Jan 2008 (CST)

I've not heard anything from the original verifier, so I'm going to approve to submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:32, 19 Jan 2008 (CST)

Iceworld by Hal Clement

I accepted your submission for a new edition of this title, but had to make a few changes. The ISBN was incorrect, but that was easily changed. The cover link to Amazon didn't work, so I found another image. Can you check to see if this matches your edition? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:26, 14 Jan 2008 (CST)

Looks good.Don Erikson 12:11, 15 Jan 2008 (CST)

The Weathermakers by Ben Bova

I approved your submission adding this pub, but wondered where the catalog number came from. Hardcovers from that time period rarely contained ISBNs, and as you placed a # before it, I have to assume it's a catalog number. But hardcovers (other than book club editions) never contain catalog numbers. Is this perhaps the Library of Congress cataloging number? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:59, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)

The number appears on the back of the dust jacket, in a little red box. There is no explanation as to what they actually mean. Don Erikson 19:35, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)
According to OCLC, the LOC ID was 68-10078, so "9623851" is presumably something else. Ahasuerus 19:51, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)

The Venus Venture by "Marston Johns"

Your submission adding this new pub showed the author as "R. L. Fanthorpe (as by Marston Johns)", which would create a new author with that exact name. If the book is published as by "Marston Johns", and credited as such on the title page, then that's exactly what should be entered in the author field. After the submission is accepted, we can then create a variant that will link it to Fanthorpe's author summary page. Let me know if Marston Johns is the credited author, and I can accept the submission and change the author. Or I can reject the submission, and you can make a new submission. Either way, let me know which you prefer. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:16, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)

I just checked Tuck who confirms that the 1965 US edition from Arcadia was published as by "Marston Johns" (the UK editions were credited to "John E. Muller".) 16:16, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)

I figured if I gave all the info someone would know what to do, 'cause I sure didn't. And I know for sure it's Fanthorpe because he signed my copy. (Though he also signed some books of mine he wasn't 100% sure he wrote.)Don Erikson 19:25, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)

A sure sign of an author who writes too much! I'll go ahead and approve the submission and make the necessary changes. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:06, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)
Not only that. The man had the cojones to sell the same book with the same title under two different pennames to two different US publishers in the same year! He deserves some kind of recognition, if not for his writing, at least for his chutzpah. Mhhutchins 21:20, 22 Jan 2008 (CST)
Is it uncommon to sell hardcover and paperback rights separately in the US? Or just when under different pseudonyms? BLongley 13:09, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)
Hardcover publishers and paperback publishers used to be very different animals in the US. Back in the 1970s, even you had sold all rights (well, "all relevant rights") to a hardcover publisher, he would have had little choice but to turn around and resell them to a paperback publisher because he wouldn't have been in a position to publish your book in paperback anyway. These days, the same publisher may do your book in hardcover and in paperback or he may resell some rights in some markets. There are lots and lots of permutations these days... Ahasuerus 13:20, 23 Jan 2008 (CST)

Ensign Flandry

I've added an image for your verified publication. This is "sight unseen" and the only things used to match the image to your ISFDB record are the Catalog # and price. Marc Kupper (talk) 12:55, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)

That's the right cover. Don Erikson 13:30, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)

Earth 2

The cover image for Earth 2 you just submitted does not work. Marc Kupper (talk) 13:58, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)

The link to the cover was from the original entry I edited. I find most of the cover links from Amazon no longer work, but some do so I've been leaving them intact. If the cover image doesn't show up with the entry should I assume that the link no longer work and remove it? Don Erikson 13:37, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)

Yes, I generally delete them when I see them. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:17, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)

The Andromeda Strain

The cover image for The Andromeda Strain you just submitted does not work.

   See above. 

One way to test cover image URLs is to go to and to copy/paste in the ISBN. If the image displays then you can use the URL that's shown just above it. If it says something like "Image 0440101999.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg" but does not show an image just below this then you should not use that URL. I look into seeing if there's a way the page could detect if there is an image. I know I thought about it but did not want to say "Image not available" as there may be a customer provided image and those always have long strange URLs that seem unrelated to the ISBN or ASIN of the Amazon record. Amazon web services (AWS) also does not give us the list of customer images meaning I'd need to use indirect/sneaky methods to check for customer images. Marc Kupper (talk) 14:11, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)

I've bookmarked this page & will use it for covers.Don Erikson 13:48, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)

"First printing" vs. "1st printing as per number line."

When you note "First Printing" for a publication record I assume you mean the book just says "First printing /date/" but does not have a number line or other indication of the printing number? Marc Kupper (talk) 14:00, 25 Jan 2008 (CST)

I go by what's on the copyright page. I say " per number line" only if there is a number line. I say "first printing" if it says so OR if it's clear that it is, like when it was the only printing from an obscure publisher. If I feel it isn't definitive I leave it blank.Don Erikson 13:46, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)
Unfortunately, it's not always easy to tell how many printings an obscure publisher printed decades ago -- just the other week I discovered an obscure version of an E. Everette Evans collection that Bill Contento didn't know about -- so it's probably safer to use "stated first printing" when it says so in the book and "assumed first printing" when it's not stated explicitly. Ahasuerus 13:52, 26 Jan 2008 (CST)
Thank you Don. When a first printing is not stated I usually write something like "There is no printing date or number stated in the publication" and then go on to comment on items that could be used to help date the publication from the copyright, price, advertising, etc. If the book's points fit into the same date as the copyright I'll use that date and add it to the notes. The main thing I try to convey though is exactly what is in the publication, and what I looked for but could not find. From that people can make up their own minds on where that publication fits into the grand scheme of things.
Overall, what you are doing is not "wrong" other than I would not note "First Printing" in the ISFDB record if the publication did not state this. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:33, 27 Jan 2008 (CST)

Condorman by Crume or Claro?

Your submission for this pub credited Vic Crume as the author. OCLC credits Joe Claro. I know your previous entry (CHOMPS) was by Crume. Was it just a matter of failing to clear the field before entering a new pub? Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:24, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)

And OCLC credits Herbie Rides Again to Mel Cebulash not Crume. Mhhutchins 18:26, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)
The ISBN for The Shaggy D.A. is invalid. OCLC says it should b 0-449-13642-6. Please double-check your pub. Maybe they printed an invalid ISBN in the book. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:31, 28 Jan 2008 (CST)
Ouch! That was one stupid mistake! Condorman IS by Joe Claro. His name is not on the cover or spine and I had shelved it with Clume & assumed. I can't say the same thing for thing goes for Herbie Rides Again. Cebulash's name is on the spine and I still mis-shelved it!!
And "Strike Three" in my triad of terrible typing; The Shaggy D.A. ISBN is as you have it above.
I think, to save my ego, I will blame my medications as they can leave me a bit hypotensive and thus a little whacked out. Ya, that's it, it's societies fault...Don Erikson 22:30, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)
I am sure your doctors know what they are doing, but hypotension can be more than mildly irritating and lead to dizziness, loss of concentration, etc., so take it easy -- the books are not going anywhere :) Ahasuerus 22:47, 30 Jan 2008 (CST)

Clive Cussler and specfict

Hi Don - I have two of your Clive_Cussler publication submissions on hold as I don't think they are specfict.

While Dirk Pitt lives a nice fantasy I'm having a hard time thinking of any of Cussler's works as specfict and am included to delete the entire bibliography unless someone knows of specfict in there. Marc Kupper (talk) 17:06, 31 Jan 2008 (CST)

Actually, I have never read any Cussler, always meant to. So I couldn't say about their SF-ishness. I only edited them because they were already entered.Don Erikson 13:15, 1 Feb 2008 (CST)

("Inclined" or "Included" Marc?) I must admit I've never read any Cussler either, and only Fantastic Fiction's inclusion and Amazon's categorisation of some works have persuaded me to work on them here. If the Dirk Pitt series is actually non-genre then I for one won't miss him. (Or the "Dirk Cussler" that would presumably go too?) Has anyone here read the lot? BLongley 13:31, 1 Feb 2008 (CST)
Sorry - "Inclined".
Cussler's stuff is entertaining easy reading. Dirk Pitt is like a James Bond in that he ends up in trouble here and there and bails himself and the girl out every time. Of the ~25 books he's written I've read nine and half of them and so it's not a full survey. The half book is because I'd been on the lookout for Iceberg for a long time - spotted a copy but on reading it found I had the teen/young adult adaptation. I later got the original and read that too. The author, Clive Cussler, lives a pretty interesting life and in many ways the Dirk Pitt/NUMA series are about the author. See
Dirk Cussler is Clive Cussler's son and has joined his father for the past couple books.
Fantastic Fiction covers all adult fiction works (specfict plus westerns, mystery, thrillers, romance, graphic novels, etc.) and so that should not be used as a standard on if something should be included on ISFDB.
I deleted the author Dirk Cussler as I had read that book and know it's not specfict. I'm just wait to see if someone else has read Cussler and can recall any specfict. The bibliography ISFDB has is fairly complete and I don't want to delete it out until it's clear it's all non-genre.
Don - I'll approve and then delete the two publications you were adding. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:40, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)
I've deleted Clive_Cussler's works but for some reason the author record did not go away. I checked for publications, awards, etc. One of his books was reviewed. Is that enough? Marc Kupper (talk) 01:46, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)
Yes, that review is enough to lead to an Author Entry, although it's a pretty useless one as it leads nowhere, not even to the review. That's mostly why I started Authors that exist only due to reviews. That led to a bit of a clean-up of typos and some clarification of where translators and artists were being inappropriately credited. This appears to be one of the cases of a review of a non-genre book. Typically we've left that ONE title entry in place, clearly marked Nongenre. In some cases I'd prefer reviews of items we're not interested to be replaced with an essay instead, so the reviewee doesn't get created, e.g. an Essay called 'Review of Raise the Titanic by Clive Cussler' by Nick Coleman would keep Clive Cussler from being created but keep the reviewer's work recorded in the magazine: but whether we want to go so far for books is open to debate. I'd certainly like such a solution for reviews of TV Shows and Soundtracks, for instance, though. BLongley 07:37, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)
Making it an essay seems like a reasonable idea. For now I added a nongenre title entry which will also help to flag the author as nongenre. Marc Kupper (talk) 19:13, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)


Can you double-check the ISBN here please? It's showing a bad checksum. BLongley 13:55, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)

And artist "William Maughian" - might it be "William Maughan"? BLongley 17:15, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)
Just fixed the ISBN and cover artist.Don Erikson 21:28, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)

Flight of the Bat

Correct cover? BLongley 14:00, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)

That is the right cover.Don Erikson 21:20, 2 Feb 2008 (CST)


I see you just entered this pub with a Cover artist of "Biro" - I suspect that this may in fact be by Keith Birdsong, who has a very thin signature that is often clipped short at the edge of a cover. If you've got a magnifying glass, can you please have another look? If I'm right it's probably going to be very faint, and possibly partly concealed by other text. I must have looked at 30 or 40 of his covers before finally noticing a clear signature and when I went back over a few I could find parts of it on others. BLongley 14:14, 3 Feb 2008 (CST)

I've uploaded a magnified scan of the signature on my edition here. I suspect something similar is on yours, but it may be obscured or clipped - mine is right at the very edge of the cover and mere shelfwear has started eating it away. BLongley 15:19, 3 Feb 2008 (CST)

The name "Biro" was already part of the entry when I edited it. My copy is trimmed so you only see "Bir", I assumed who ever did the original entry knew something I didn't. Don Erikson 19:19, 3 Feb 2008 (CST)

If you "assume" then please leave a note to that affect. If you are unable to verify with certainty something that's in a record then add a note explaining that the prior to verification the record contained "Biro" but that only "Bir" is visible on your copy and that it assumed that the source of this data is correct/accurate.
The idea is that someone looking at the record later will know what's physically stated and what is educated guesswork with regard to the publications. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:50, 3 Feb 2008 (CST)
To be fair to Don, he HASN'T verified it. I only noticed it was his edit because I approved it. BLongley 13:17, 4 Feb 2008 (CST)


The cover for the Imzadi you entered looks suspicious - if my eyes don't deceive me, it contains an offer for Imzadi II, which wasn't released till several years later. Are you sure that's the right one for a first printing? The artwork looks right, just not the text: and I thought I had a first paperback printing! (As well as a third...) BLongley 14:30, 3 Feb 2008 (CST)

The copyright page of my copy says it is a 1st printing as per a number line, and printed July 1993. The cover shown with this entry was cloned from another entry but is correct for this edition. The $3.99 price led me to believe this was a first, but with the Imzadi II offer on cover may mean that this was a a later specially priced promotional edition. I just now looked on the inside back cover and there is an ad for all the Star Trek books from 1998! I will go back and re-edit this entry.Don Erikson 19:29, 3 Feb 2008 (CST)
Thanks! Sometimes I think Pocket Books are out to deliberately confuse... I acquired a big box of them recently and had to redo dozens of covers here as they where showing or missing little extras like the special price sticker here, or announcements of a short story competition, or the inclusion of a chapter of the serial novel "Starfleet: Year One". Or big changes like changing a background from green to bright red, or replacing Tuvok with an unrecognisable white character. I guess it helps distinguish printings when they forget to change the number-line as well... BLongley 13:14, 4 Feb 2008 (CST)


There's a bad checksum showing here - this isn't uncommon with Manor Books, but can you please double check? BLongley 14:43, 4 Feb 2008 (CST)

The number I gave is the one on the book.Don Erikson 18:09, 4 Feb 2008 (CST)
OK, I've added it to the Bad ISBN list and added a note. I've just fixed one of my Manor books where it turned out the 'Good' ISBN was on the spine, only the Copyright page stated the one with a bad checksum (but I've noted that). BLongley 13:51, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)
There's also a discussion about what to do with such that could do with some more views expressed or suggestions made if we're ever going to reach a consensus - at the moment the undecided outweigh those in favour of the original proposal, although there's no particular support for an alternative proposal. BLongley 13:51, 5 Feb 2008 (CST)

Queen Victorica's Revenge

Surely Queen Victoria's Revenge? BLongley 15:03, 7 Feb 2008 (CST)

It sure is! I just added a new publication and didn't notice the typo in the existing entry. And here I am trying to more exacting and vigilent.Don Erikson 11:18, 8 Feb 2008 (CST)

Buttons not working

I see you're making comments like "Add Author button not working" - have you got Javascript turned off in your browser by any chance? BLongley 12:18, 9 Feb 2008 (CST)

I just installed the Firefox add-on NoScript to keep youTube from grinding my antique PC to a halt every time one shows up on a page. Now I'll just disable it when needed.Don Erikson 16:44, 9 Feb 2008 (CST)
Ah, OK: I've not tried "NoScript" as I know I do need JavaScript on several sites. Maybe it's configurable to allow scripts on certain sites? I know I can do that with "AdBlock" - a Firefox extension I DO use! BLongley 17:47, 9 Feb 2008 (CST)
While I have not used it looks like it supports trusted sites. Just allow JavaScript for (you might need to use You should then be ok until people start inserting YouTube video windows onto this site. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:13, 10 Feb 2008 (CST)
Did it and it works, cool.Don Erikson 00:34, 10 Feb 2008 (CST)

The Mountains at the Bottom of the World

I have approved The Mountains at the Bottom of the World, but the ISBN was showing an invalid checksum, so I checked OCLC, found a record which appeared to match your edition, and added/corrected missing data. Could you please compare the results with what you have? Thanks! Ahasuerus 15:07, 11 Feb 2008 (CST)

And there was I thinking you didn't have an opinion on what to do with bad ISBNs.... BLongley 15:56, 11 Feb 2008 (CST)
Oh, I still don't, I just figured that "0" and "9" are so close to each other on the keyboard that it was likely a typo :) Ahasuerus 16:11, 11 Feb 2008 (CST)
It was a typo, the check number is 9. All else looks good.Don Erikson 18:23, 11 Feb 2008 (CST)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:24, 11 Feb 2008 (CST)

Publication year of Sphere

Your new pub submission for Sphere lists a 1976 printing year for a NOVEL published in 1987 - suspicious! Is that a typo for an earlier year or is there a different error? WimLewis 16:05, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)

The gutter code "R" in this case refers to 1987. They reused some of the letters. The letters "R" & "G" were both used in 1976.Kraang 17:28, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)
Here's a useful site [18]:-)Kraang 17:30, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)
That makes sense. I've put it through and edited the years to 1987. WimLewis 20:17, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)

De Camp's Tritonian Ring

Can you double-check the catalog number of this edition? Tuck shows it as "53-618". Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:31, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)

It's another typo from me. It is 53-618. Don Erikson 21:15, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)

Sweden 1999-Occupied Country

I have approved Sweden 1999-Occupied Country and added the original 1976 Swedish edition, but I see that the checksum for the ISBN of the 1977 US edition is bad. Could you please double check? Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:03, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)

No typo this time, it is a bad checksum.
Thanks, I will add a note :) Ahasuerus 22:09, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)

Using subsequent editions to enter data for earlier editions

OK, here's a philosophical question that's been gnawing at me for a while. I've been only entering info from primary sources, but many PBs have info about a HC or other previous editions. Should I be also making entries for these? Is the info from copyright page accurate enough? Don Erikson 21:23, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)

Copyright pages generally contain two types of information: copyright data and printing/edition data. Copyright data tends to be quite unreliable for a number of reasons. Sometimes copyright is asserted months before the book actually appears, so its date may not match the month/year of the publication date of the first edition. For subsequent editions, the copyright date is even less reliable because it reflects either the date of the original copyright or the last date when the copyright was renewed -- which can be at any point in time. Sometimes the copyright date is the only readily available date, especially when the book is old (pre-1930), but if you use it as a "publication date" in the ISFDB sense, please make a note of it in Notes.
The other kind of data that can be found on copyright pages is actually quite valuable, sometimes indispensable. Many publishers specify the year but not the month when they print hardcover books, so this information can be difficult to establish after the fact unless you bought it the day when it came out and made a note in your diary :) However, subsequent paperback reprints will often say things like "First edition Atheneum October 1969. First paperback edition Dell August 1974" on the copyright page. In these cases the paperback reprint is one of our best sources of information about the original hardcover edition. Moreover, many paperback publishers will not state when the current printing was printed, but will list a complete history of all previous printings on the copyright page. Thus the last printing becomes a source of information about all previous printings. A little weird, but we'll take bibliographic information wherever we can find it :)
Again, if you use this "after the fact" information to create or modify records in the ISFDB, please state your source in the Notes field. That way when somebody with an actual copy of that edition/printing comes along, he will know where the data came from. Without this information, he will be scratching his head and trying to figure out why the ISFDB has information about his edition which is not found in his copy. Does this make sense? Ahasuerus 22:09, 14 Feb 2008 (CST)
I do update prior editions when the paperback has useful info. I even create "stubs" for missing first printings from the information, but as these have no price or page numbers, and often no ISBN, I don't tend to do it for any bar the first edition (it makes our Entropy Statistics look worse for a start!) - but first printing dates are of especial bibliographic interest so I try and capture those. I do tend to leave notes about ALL prior printings mentioned in the notes for my primary verified copy: they can be used as a check for other printings as they arrive. (Or to check whether the printing histories are accurate - I find they usually are.) But 20 or 30 stubs just makes a page look messy and we haven't got any display code to reduce the publication list to an 'edition' list yet, so I'll only enter multiple stubs if they're VERY well spaced apart. BLongley 13:15, 15 Feb 2008 (CST)

Murder on the Menu

In your submission of this anthology, you have the story "Gideon and the Chestnut Vendor" as by "J. J. Marric (John Creasey)". What is the author's name on the title page of the story itself? That's the name we should use in the database for this story's title record. Then we can create a variant if the other name is a pseudonym. As it now stands, the author for this story's title record will be "J. J. Marric (John Creasey)", exactly how you entered it. Thanks. MHHutchins 16:17, 29 Feb 2008 (CST)

That's how it appears both on the contents page and the first page of the story. "J. J. Marric (John Creasey)"., parentheses and all.

OCLC (record 10683249) says the stated name is "J. J. Marric", but I am also slightly worried about the anthology as a whole. Most of the stories are apparently mysteries with no SF content and our support for non-genre short fiction is quite poor. I guess we could make a note at the Title level... Ahasuerus 23:04, 29 Feb 2008 (CST)
I'm going to accept this pub, but will add a note about its associational status in the database. I see that you note that "The only story not entered here is "The Deadly Egg" (1980) by Jamwillem van de Wetering." That should be added as well. Once the submission is accepted you can update it. Thanks. MHHutchins 16:12, 3 Mar 2008 (CST)

Invaders of Earth

Just an FYI that I have approved this submission, then removed the stories that were missing from the abridged paperback edition. I also set up the "Donald Wollheim" story as a variant title for "Donald A. Wollheim". Finally, I unmerged this Publication from the master "Invaders of Earth" title, renamed the newly created title to "Invaders of Earth (abridged)" and made it into a variant title of the complete edition. I am afraid we will have to jump through similar hoops with most other Conklin anthologies since they were usually abridged when they appeared in paperback. I have a couple of your Conklin submissions on hold and will process them later tonight. Thanks! :) Ahasuerus 17:08, 6 Mar 2008 (CST)

P.S. I have given similar treatment to Science Fiction Thinking Machines (1954) and its abridged version, Selections from Science Fiction Thinking Machines (1955). We already had a verified publication record for the August 1955 Bantam reprint, so I verified that your data was identical and deleted the extra record. Just to be on the safe side, could you please verify that the title page has the words "Selections from"? Thanks! Ahasuerus 18:34, 6 Mar 2008 (CST)

The title page does say "Selections from", the cover says in blurb sized type not meant to be part of title "Here are 12 astonishing and prophetic stories selected from" then the title.Don Erikson 20:49, 6 Mar 2008 (CST)
Thanks for checking! We use the title page if there are discrepancies, but I have added a comment to this Publication's Note field about the way the cover is arranged. You can never be too careful :) The rest of the submissions have been also approved. Ahasuerus 00:14, 7 Mar 2008 (CST)


You submitted a new edition of this anthology but it had no contents. The database has the first edition which contains the contents. Cloning would have been the way to go here. And I know you're already aware of that procedure, because you subsequently added other collections by cloning the ones with contents. You must have simply overlooked the contented (!?) pub. I'll clone the Magicats! with contents using the info you provided and reject the original submission. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:44, 8 Mar 2008 (CST)

Doyle's The Poison Belt (collection)

Based on the notes in your submission of this pub and a little help from Tuck, I changed your original designation from NOVEL to COLLECTION, and merged it with an existing edition published a couple of years earlier in hardcover. This edition contained all the same extras (introduction and afterword) as your Berkley edition, but also included illustrations by William P. du Bois. Does the Berkley paperback contain illustrations by du Bois as well? And are the titles of the introduction and afterword of the Berkley edition the same as the Macmillan edition. Thanks. MHHutchins 17:43, 21 Mar 2008 (CDT)

There is no illustrations in the Berkley editions. The rest is the same as the MacMillan except the epilogue is titled "On Lethal Space Clouds" not "On Lethal Clouds". Don Erikson 17:04, 23 Mar 2008 (CDT)

John Domatilla's The Last Crime

Just a note that "The Last Crime" by John Domatilla was apparently a 1981 US reprint of the 1980 UK edition, so I have adjusted the date accordingly and then reconstructed the 1980 edition from OCLC's data. Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:48, 27 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Gordon R. Dickson's "Home from the Shore"

I have approved your submission of the Sunridge Press edition of "Home from the Shore", but I was wondering if you could confirm that the book's price was $4.95 ($5.95 in Canada) as per OCLC? Thanks! Ahasuerus 17:50, 27 Mar 2008 (CDT)

There is no price on this book, my copy has no DJ and I guess I assumed that is the way it was issued. According to this bookseller on ABE "Issued in a limited hardcover edition. And issued without dust jacket." Of the 47 editions on ABE only 5 were hardcovers and none mentioned dust jackets. I edited the entry to show that there was no price or number on this book.Don Erikson 12:30, 28 Mar 2008 (CDT)
Thanks, I have added a little note about OCLC's data to our record :) Ahasuerus 23:40, 28 Mar 2008 (CDT)

The Hermes Stone

The ISBN for this edition you added is showing a bad checksum, can you double check please? (It probably is as shown, Manor books are notoriously bad at getting them wrong, but worth a check.) BLongley 13:38, 28 Mar 2008 (CDT)

It is a bad checksum.Don Erikson 20:35, 28 Mar 2008 (CDT)

The Day the Gods Died by Ernsting

I have your submission of this pub on hold because the ISBN came up as an invalid number. Checking on OCLC I saw the same pub with 0-553-02060-9 as the ISBN. Could this be the same as the pub of your submission? Thanks. MHHutchins 20:29, 30 Mar 2008 (CDT)

My bad. That there yonder ISBN be the one that is all korrect.Don Erikson 11:03, 31 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Frankenstein Wheel

Approved and corrected typo in your submission (Frankensein Wheel).--Rkihara 16:33, 31 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Bridget Loves Bernie

Paul Faiman? or Paul Fairman? - I'm assuming the second - I can see some copies - many many copies on abebooks. If it's only Paul Fairman we will have to do the pseudonym thing to attach to Paul W. Fairman.--swfritter 21:03, 31 Mar 2008 (CDT)

Only 7 months & 6 days later I respond to this query. It is FAIRMAN. Don Erikson 17:15, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Added the book and changed the author. If is only credited to Paul Fairman a pseudonym relationship will have to be created.--swfritter 17:57, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

To Your Scattered Bodies Go

This pub has a bad checksum. OCLC suggests 042502329X instead, which leads to an Amazon cover like this - does that look like your book? BLongley 14:11, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)

This pub has a bad checksum too. BLongley 14:18, 10 Apr 2008 (CDT)

These bad check sums are my typos. It should be 0-425-02333-8. Not surprising that the image from Amazon doesn't match my book because that one is for THE FABULOUS RIVERBOAT.Don Erikson 12:09, 12 Apr 2008 (CDT)
Yeah, seems the search got confused by a note saying "Sequel to To Your Scattered Bodies Go". I'll fix the ISBNs. BLongley 15:17, 12 Apr 2008 (CDT)

Howard Fast

I have a few of your Howard fast submissions on hold and working my way through them. As far as My Glorious Brothers and Spartacus go, are we sure that we want to add them to the database? They are non-genre works by a primarily non-SF writer and our standard for inclusion of non-genre works is:

Out - Works that are not related to speculative fiction by authors who have not published works either of or about speculative fiction over a certain threshold. This "certain threshold" is hard to define, but we need to draw the line in a way that would exclude Winston Churchill, who published at least one work of borderline speculative fiction. The goal here is to avoid cataloging everything ever published by James Fenimore Cooper, Robert Louis Stevenson, Honore de Balzac and other popular authors. Instead, we would want to catalog their speculative fiction works only.

Would you say that Howard Fast, who did write a number of SF stories, is over this threshold?

Also, re: Fast's Phyllis, could you please check whether your Pocket edition was published as by "Howard Fast" or as by "E. V. Cunningham"? And is it General Zapped an Angel or The General Zapped an Angel? Thanks! Ahasuerus 03:49, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in answering, I couldn't get the edit feature to work for some reason (OK I forgot I had to log on).
I included the nongenre work because the line is a little blurry. I have no problem for the moderator not including them. I feel the more information available the better.
About Fast's "Phyllis", yes it's my fault, it is by Cunningham. Just didn't noticed the goof (except there in the mirror). But It IS "The" General Zapped...Don Erikson 15:48, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll massage the submissions on Monday when I am back on the road. Trying to do a few verifications this weekend while I have access to my collection :) Ahasuerus 18:04, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
Everything has been approved and massaged -- including adding Contents data to the 1970 Ace editon of Fast's The General Zapped an Angel via cloning -- so we are now back to our regularly scheduled insanity :) Ahasuerus 00:40, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

The Body Snatchers and When the Kissing Had to Stop

I have approved the addition of the 1967-04-00 printing of the Dell edition of The Body Snatchers, but I am not sure I understand what the Note field says. Is it really "Stated 1st New Dell printing"?

Also, I have approved the addition of 2 printings of the first edition to the When the Kissing Had to Stop, but I am not sure that the months are right. The first printing currently shows June as the publication month and the second printing shows May. Could you please double check? Thanks! Ahasuerus 06:04, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with this particular printing (The Body Snatchers), but I have several Dell paperbacks which list in their histories previous multiple printings and then a "new edition" starting over again with a new "First Printing". MHHutchins 03:43, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't know why Dell has "New Editions", with "The Body Snatchers" I see no difference in content. The Dell 42 appears as "First Edition" without "Dell" appearing anywhere on the outside of the book. The B204 edition appears as "Dell First Edition" and the 0674 just as "Dell". This could bw what they mean by "New Edition". The printing dates for "When the Kissing Had to Stop" are as the appear on the copyright page. Why? Don't know. Maybe it was a "second printing before publication" deal. Don Erikson 16:54, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

The Questor Tapes

I see you added another "Ballantine, 0-345-24236-X, $1.25, 156pp, pb" version - as this looks pretty much like Kraang's verified version I assume there's some difference? Cover photo is NOT scene from movie, or it is NOT Printed in Canada? Some further notes would be good before someone deletes it as a Duplicate. BLongley 21:52, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

The difference is that this edition was printed in the US, I guess it's pretty much the default assumption. You are right, such a difference should be noted & I will fix it now.Don Erikson 16:59, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

"The Rest Must Die"

I've approved this entry, but the cover surely says "Richard Foster"? Is the name on the title page "Kendell Foster Crossen" instead? If so, we can remove the variant title for now: if it's "Richard Foster" internally then this should go under the variant title instead. BLongley 18:44, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Ah, I see you've found another Richard Foster? Or is that Crossen as well? BLongley 18:52, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it does say "Richard Foster". I don't know how I miss that. Don Erikson 15:19, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, rearranged: how does it look now? BLongley 18:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
And is there anything in "The Complete Guide to Middle Earth" to help disambiguate the two Richard Fosters? BLongley 18:51, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The entry looks good now. I checked my local library's online catalog and it says the Tolkien book Foster was born 1949 and is still alive, ISFDB lists Kendell Foster Crossen 1910-1981, so yes, they are different people.Don Erikson 21:56, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, renamed aside. As it was nominated for an award though, there may be more clean-up needed beyond my powers. BLongley 23:37, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The Magus

As you seem to have provided the first unrevised edition I made that the parent. I'm not sure if the cover is like this as that says second edition although other details match. Do the variants look meaningful and is that cover of use? BLongley 19:06, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I was waiting to clone in the earlier editions. The cover on Amazon looks to be the same as mine.Don Erikson 15:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Kothar - Barbarian Swordsman

Bad Checksum alert here. And did I guess the right cover? BLongley 19:13, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

That's what is says on the spine. I was leery of this number on such an early book, but it says "ISBN - 0 - 8439 - 00146 - 075". The other number on the cover says "146SK"Don Erikson 15:33, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Let's go with "146SK" for now then. It doesn't look as though Leisure got the hang of ISBNs till about 1976 - the "08439" looks right though, and the "-075" confirms the price (which isn't part of the ISBN anyway) but I can't find a confirmed ISBN with the 146 in. BLongley 19:17, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
I was intrigued and pulled out my copy, which happens to be the 1973-10-00 printing as well. Don's observations match mine except I should add that the ISBN digit groups on the spine are separated by small black circles rather than by dashes. I suspect that by late 1973 they had heard about this new-fangled ISBN beast and decided to give it a try, but weren't quite sure what they were doing. Ahasuerus 19:24, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
ISBNs, while very useful for late/post-1970s books (and before multinational misuse) are a constant pain in earlier days. The British publishers that were used to SBNs seem to have converted easily (so easily in fact that many of their early serial numbers convert to SBNs/ISBNs that they probably never actually used, but appear on many book-seller sites). Leisure and Manor are two good examples of publishers that claim to have ISBNs but didn't understand "check-digit" at least. Unfortunately as you can get it right One time in Ten by chance, it's difficult to state the year they first got things sorted properly. :-/ BLongley 19:58, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The Year's Best Horror Stories: Series II

Don - I had your publication update for The Year's Best Horror Stories: Series II on hold for a moment. Everything looked find except the change of the cover artist from Michael Whelan to Hans Arnold.

I suspect what happened here is that there seems to be a Canadian edition with a Michael Whelan cover. I've approved your update but could you please take a look at this Ababooks seller listing to see if the cover matches yours? That seller says it's a Michael Whelan cover and Canadian edition. Thanks! Marc Kupper (talk) 22:44, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

The picture on ABE is correct. The copyright page on my copy credits Hans Arnold and is signed "Arnold" in the lower left corner. Michael Whelan did all the covers from series III through series XV (except XII), so I can see how the mistake could be made. Don Erikson 01:13, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Thank you Don. The seller of a "Michael Whelan" edition came back and said it was actually Hans Arnold... Marc Kupper (talk) 08:37, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Ron Discenza

I see you tried to change his name from "Ron Discenza" to "Ron DisCenza" via a publication edit. Unfortunately ISFDB checks to see whether we have the 'new' author already via a case-insensitive search, so this won't work. I think we could do it by editing the Author directly - if not in one step, certainly in two - but the former name appears on some other verified pubs so it's probably best to ask the other verifiers first. BLongley 20:02, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Alan Dean Foster - The Moment of the Magician

I have added some notes to your verified copy of this publication. If it conflicts with your copy, please let me know and I will remove the changes and create a new publication. Thanks. -- Holmesd 02:49, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Combat SF

I have approved your additions of the Ace editions of this book, but I suspect that two of the new publications may be identical. Could you please take a look at the two "date unknown" publications, which are both marked as "Stated 2nd printing as per number line" and let me know if I am missing a difference? Was it, perhaps, that the ISFDB was slow and you clicked "Submit" twice? Thanks! Ahasuerus 05:38, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

I remember having problems with this. I definitely submitted twice.Don Erikson 16:48, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, zapped! :) Ahasuerus 16:53, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Adding Pseudonym

I'd do this myself but I just can't figure it out. A while back I entered four books by Richard Elliott and added in the Notes feature that Richard Elliott is a pseudonym for Elton Elliott and Richard E. Geis. Both are authors with ISFDB pages. There is no indication that this name is a pseudonym. Somebody with more abilities should repair this monstrous injustice. (Too much?)Don Erikson 18:52, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

OK, leave it with me. BLongley 19:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
Hmmm. I think I see why they haven't been done yet. There's an Elton Elliott and an Elton T. Elliott, and the one we want is Elton P. Elliott (according to Clute & Nicholls and Fantastic Fiction) or Elton T. Elliott according to SF Booklist. Do you know any more about all these Elton Elliotts? BLongley 19:14, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
It is Elton T. Elliott. According to my signed copies and the programs of conventions I know he attended.Don Erikson 00:45, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
So is that the canonical name you'd prefer? And "Elton Elliott" and "Richard Elliott" are the pseudonyms? Or should "Elton Elliott" be the canonical name and "Elton T. Elliott" and "Richard Elliott" the pseudonyms? At 21 titles to 17, it's a close call and you know more about him than I do! BLongley 17:59, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
I'd go with Elton T. Elliott as his canonical name.Don Erikson 17:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
OK, here's what I did:
A) ADVANCED search for authors ending "Geis", save results, then again for authors ending " Elliott" - this gives you easy visibility of the Author Numbers. We want
16509 	Richard E. Geis
10551 	Elton Elliott
95237 	Elton T. Elliott
6015 	Richard Elliott
B) Now we go into 10551 and make it a pseudonym for 95237: and go into 6015 and make it a pseudonym of 95237: them make 6015 a pseudonym of 16509. That's the easy bit.
C) Then you have to go into each title under each of the pseudonyms and make THOSE variant titles of (usually non-existent) titles by the Real authors. Those are a bit slower as you have to do that by exact names, not numbers. Once ALL of those are done you get the "Pseudonym. See: Elton T. Elliott , Richard E. Geis" under the "Richard Elliott" name. That's done now, have a look. I'll go do the "Elton Elliott" entries next. BLongley 19:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Brackett's Sword of Rhiannon

I've added a cover link to your verified copy of this title and added the month of publication based on the Locus listing. Thanks. MHHutchins 03:04, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Ditto for this pub as well. MHHutchins 03:38, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

The Star Kings

I've taken your word for it that the cover is signed, but can you please tell me where? I still can't spot it. BLongley 20:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

The usual Jack Gaughan initials he signs with appear about a quarter inch down & to the right of the little beer-tap looking projection on the lower right of the spaceship. It is a dark pink and little hard to see. Don Erikson 01:36, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. I think this has finally persuaded me into buying a magnifying glass. BLongley 18:08, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
The magnifying glass has arrived: better, but I think a Microscope might have been better still! This could be a good example of what to look for in artist signatures now some images are allowed here. BLongley 21:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I have a magnifier lamp mounted on my desk and that's proved handy as it provides good lighting and magnification. As I scan covers at 300dpi sometimes I'll pan/scan over the image for signatures. Marc Kupper (talk) 18:04, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Wind Child

Your recent submission for Wind Child (1990-07-00) appears to make no change at all in the existing data. I am about to approve it, but please check, is it possible that the submit button got clicked too soon by mistake, before you had entered whatever change you had in mind? -DES Talk

I think this was submitted as a New Novel and not an edit, but it's hard to remember even 24 hours back. BTW I noticed I misspelled the cover artist first name I was so intent on getting the last name right. I submitted the fix. Don Erikson 14:55, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Assumed first printing

I notice that several of your recent edits include the note "Assumed first printing". On what basis is the assumption being made? How will this help a future editor or user? -DES Talk 15:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Apologies for butting in, but as this is a phrase I've picked up from ISFDB and started using without really questioning, I should probably explain MY usage. I use it when there's no signs of it being a reprint (no number-line, no details of any other printing in the same format by the same publishing company - "previously published by X" when this is a paperback and X publishes hardcovers does not stop me from creating a "First printing" though) and when we have no records of anything that might predate this copy. Sometimes I'll check a few other sources - OCLC, Abebooks, Alibris, even Amazon to see if there's any sign of an earlier edition: if the title-date predates my pub-date a lot and mine is the earliest pub-date I'll search harder, if they match I'll leave a note about ASSUMED first printing. It's not so much that a future editor or user will be helped, but it might help ME if they have an earlier edition I don't know about and my lack of certainty in the note encourages them to ask about it. We're beginning to get to the level of activity where anything can be questioned, even if verified, and will be, and it's useful to see when someone is SURE and when they're just ASSUMING or when they just haven't stated it. "Assumed first printing" is a nice way to avoid being questioned about what printing it actually is when someone has a LATER printing though. Anyway, back to Don for his explanation. BLongley 21:41, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
I believe we inherited this usage from the library world where they make a distinction between "stated Nth printing/edition" (i.e. one which has a statement to that effect on the copyright page) and "assumed Nth printing/edition", where there is some circumstantial evidence in support of the notion, but there is no explicit statement in the book itself. Librarians generally use square brackets to indicate that something is assumed, so "1st. ed." means "stated first edition" while "[1st. ed.]" means "assumed first edition". Similarly, "London: Sphere" means that the city was explicitly stated in the book while "[London:] Sphere" means that the city information wasn't explicitly stated and had to be derived by other means. Not all catalogers follow these rules, but most knowledgeable ones do. Ahasuerus 01:02, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

What BLongley said. Some books are are obviously 1st printings but don't specifically say so, like Berkley Medallion that just usually state later printings. Ace sometimes uses "Ace Original" , I treat that as a stated first. I only "Assumed" when I'm pretty sure of the printing and use "Stated" when there is no doubt (or otherwise indicated so).Don Erikson 15:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

OK I understand. Thanks. -DES Talk

The Adventures of the Stainless Steel Rat

Your recently submitted publication of The Adventures of the Stainless Steel Rat listed in the notes "5th Printing stated. No date of publication other than that of the first printing (August 1978)." but listed a publication date of 1981-06-00. On what was the 1981 date based? I have placed the submisison on hold. -DES Talk 20:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

That's my fault, I should have changed the date from the clone to 000-00-00.Don Erikson 15:19, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Ok I will approve. -DES Talk 10:25, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

The Last American

This pub is showing a bad checksum, can you double-check please? BLongley 15:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

It was a typo, I've fixed it.Don Erikson 14:11, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

The Stainless Steel Rat Wants You!

Your submission would update the dated 3rd printing to an undated 4th printing - was this meant to be a clone rather than an update? BLongley 15:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

I think I originally submitted the book as a 3rd printing then notices though it said it was a third printing with a date it also said it was a 4th printing as per number line. I've noticed that it isn't uncommon for a publisher to change a number line without updating other parts of a copyright page.Don Erikson 14:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Indeed so. I think that is actually why the number line was invented, to allow for a quick 1-character change to identify a new printing without needing to reset anything else. I have seen books with "First Dell edition: September 1979" and the number line shows that it is the 8th printing, and there is no clue (except maybe the price) as to the date of that printing. Isn't it fun :) ?! -DES Talk 15:32, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Oh, there's plenty of publishers that quote the 1st printing and all subsequent reprints have no additional date, using number-line only to distinguish. It's unusual to see a dated THIRD printing with a disagreeing number-line though, so I thought I'd check. BLongley 17:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
Anyway, this submission confirms Don's memory, so I've let it through. I've cloned some of it BACK to create the missing 3rd printing though - that date in the 4th may be the only hope we have of dating the 3rd. I've assumed the page count is the same as the one before and after, but price and ISBN can't be assumed so easily. Artist is probably Lehr still but I didn't risk that either. BLongley 17:56, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Heinlein's Beyond This Horizon (6th printing)

In this submission of this pub you noted that "Artist credit from signature of uncropped image from 1st printing" but provided no artist credit. Please update the submission when you get a chance. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:13, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

DoneDon Erikson 14:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

wiki threading

The usual convention is to indent replies to help distinguish the various responses in the thread. Indents are done by placing a colon at the start of a line/paragraph. See Help:Editing for more on wiki editing. -DES Talk 15:37, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Oh! There a trick to it. I wondered why None of my indents worked, I guess i didn't wonder enough to actually to read the Help page.Don Erikson 01:38, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
Glad to be of help. -DES Talk 21:19, 22 May 2008 (UTC)
Help page? I never read them either but do shamelessly steal from others and that includes noticing they were colon retentive and thus indented. ;-) Marc Kupper (talk) 17:40, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Heinlein's Beyond This Horizon (9th printing)

You seem to have entered the page numbers for this twice. No harm is done, as it looks like you entered them the same way both times, but it must have been extra work for you. -DES Talk 21:21, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Heinlein's The Man Who Sold the Moon (14th printing)

You replaced the catalog number "#451-J8717-195 " with the related ISBN "045-108717-8". Having the ISBN is good, better than just the catalog number. However, if the catalog number also appears on the physical book, it would be a good idea to lsit it in the publication notes. This is not vital, however. You seem to have access to a lot of different editons of various RAH works, which fills in the DB nicely. Thnaks a lot. I trust you will verify those that you can after the changes are approved. -DES Talk 21:29, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll for now on also add the catalog number in the notes section. When a pipe broke way back in '04 I lost about 30% of my Heinleins & Herberts and others, so there could have been many more for me to add.Don Erikson 17:50, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Heinlein's Stranger 39th printing

Please verify the ISBN for this submission. It has an invalid checksum. 0-425-03067-9 works but if that's not on the pub we should make a note that the printed ISBN is an invalid one. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:58, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

The copyright page says "SBN 425-03067-X". It also says this on the 40th & 41st printings I was waiting to clone from the 39th.Don Erikson 17:55, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Henderson's Holding Wonder

You submitted an update to a previous submission (for the fifth printing) to change the price, catalog and printing. Perhaps you meant to clone the fifth printing to create the first printing? I'll hold this update until I learn more of your intentions. Thanks. MHHutchins 01:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Yes I meant to clone the 5th. Should I just redo it? Don Erikson 18:06, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
I'll reject the submission and you can clone the old record to create the new pub. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:43, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
All fixed nowDon Erikson 14:42, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Colonies in Space

I approved your addition of Colonies in Space but saw that you had a note that says "Introduction by Ray Bradbury."

It's better to enter this as a title in the Contents section so that it'll show up in Ray Bradbury's bibliography. You might need to click [Add Title] to create a new/blank row and would enter the introduction as:

  • Title: Colonies in Space (Introduction)
  • Entry Type: ESSAY
  • Author1: Ray Bradbury

Many introductions are titled just Introduction and so we use the Colonies in Space (Introduction) convention so that someone looking at a bibliography will know which story the introduction essay is for. I've already fixed Colonies in Space. Marc Kupper (talk) 17:49, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I have been using "Introduction (Colonies in Space)", and I think that is what the help calls for. -DES Talk 18:33, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
DES is correct, Template:TitleFields:Title mentions this in the '"Standard" titles' section. There's a small handful(10) of titles that used the Title (Introduction) format though nearly always it looks like it was to make it clearer than an essay was an introduction. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:47, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Dune and John Schoenherr artist credits

Hi Don - You submitted several publications where you wrote in the notes "Copyright page says cover artist is John Schoenherr, but clearly isn't" but then did not give the source for the artist you did credit which was either Vincent DiFate or Don Ivan Punchatz depending on the publication. What is the source of the artist credits?

I've approved the submissions so you can edit them. The publications are 264108, 264109, 264110, 264111, 264112, and 264113. Marc Kupper (talk) 00:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

This is the 4th time I've tried to reply to this post so I hope it goes through. The Punchatz cover is signed with his "dp" symbol he sometimes used. The notes I left for the Berkley covers was just sloppiness on my part. I re-edited them now.Don Erikson 14:33, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The Green Brain (Third Printing)

Your submission to change the dating of this pub may be correct in all aspects, except that the date is actually printed in the pub, even if in error. The ISFDB policy is WYSIWYG (and I see this date in my third printing.) Do you have the second printing which also has the slug line "This Ace printing: December 1979"? If so we can verify the error of the third printing in the pub notes. I'll hold the submission until I hear back from you. MHHutchins 12:57, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

As I pointed out in the notes section, the 2nd printing is dated December 1979 so the 3rd printing would be some time later. Leaving info on the copyright page unchanged when they shouldn't is not an uncommon problem with Ace.Don Erikson 14:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
Please do a primary verification for this 2nd printing, and I'll accept the submission for the incorrectly dated third. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:17, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The Santaroga Barrier

There's one too many digits in the ISBN for this pub, can you double-check please? BLongley 16:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

A typo fixed Don Erikson 17:35, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Great, that means we can date it with some confidence then. BLongley 17:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

The Eyes of Heisenberg

There's a bad checksum here, can you please double-check? BLongley 18:06, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe it's a duplicate of this pub? BLongley 18:10, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

That bad check sum is as it appears on the copyright page. I changed the note section to correctly show it as the 11th printing, having forgotten to chance a note cut & pasted from another entry. Don Erikson 01:10, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
I entered some other eds from ISBNDB.Com and Worldcat; none are close matches with this one, however. -DES Talk 05:02, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

When We Were Dead

Are you sure about this this title? As Worldcat and Amazon and some others think that's When We Dead Awaken. There's even a picture to "prove" it. BLongley 18:57, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Now I've made some mistakes in the past but this one take the cake! mmmm...cake. Anyway, so much for my desid...disciti...PLAN to be more careful with my entries. oh well. Don Erikson 00:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


I approved your edit, but it might be a good idea to add to the note links or URLs for some of the "Many web sites". Also, since the verified record had discussed the cover artist issue, it might have been a good idea to mention the issue to the verifier before making the edit. But since no info is lost, the matter can still be discussed if there is reason to do so. -DES Talk 00:04, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

I felt that adding information would be OK in that it didn't change any verified info. But in the future I'll check with the verifier first.Don Erikson 19:24, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

The Book of Robert E. Howard

Your edti to this pub staes "Does not contain nine of the poems listed below." I presume that, now that I have aprovd the edit, you are going to remove those poems from htie pup? -DES Talk 07:55, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Similar with Conan - are you familiar with "Remove Titles From This Pub" or would you like some guidance? BLongley
Also, this site suggests that "The City of Skulls" is the same story as "Chains of Shamballah", but may be given different titles on Contents page and first page of story? A difference between such would be worth a note. BLongley 19:22, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
I didn't remember about "Remove title" but now I used it to remove the poems. BTW could this be used to fix typos etc. by removing bad title and adding corrected one?
Yes, that's the safest way of fixing typos - unless it's the ONLY version of that typo in the database (or you own all printings of the typoed version and want to correct them all at once - which might be possible in your case!) it's the preferred way. We may still need to merge the corrected version with an already-correct version at some point, but that's a later step. BLongley 20:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Now about Conan, my copy of this edition is in such bad shape the back pages are falling out & out of order, but I put it back together and lo & behold there's page 189 and the story's first page which says "The City of the Skulls" so I'll go back and edit but do I use the table of contents as primary info and mention title change in notes or do I use the title of the story page?Don Erikson 19:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Title from the story page trumps Table of Contents entries (which are often abbreviated/wrong, point to introductory essays/art rather than stories, etc). It's very tempting to just enter contents from ToC and leave it at that - but we should always check the individual title pages. It's usually a good idea to mention errors in the ToC in notes though, in case a lazier editor comes along . BLongley 20:29, 9 June 2008 (UTC)


I've approved the two edits, but had to change them a bit, but it's not really much to do with anything that you did differently then anyone else who has worked on this TITLE before you did. If you check the NewPub Help screen, it has the following, 'ANTHOLOGY. Used for anything containing fiction by more than one author. For example, "Late Knight Edition" contains stories by both Damon Knight and Kate Wilhelm, individually; this is an anthology, not a collection. If a book of Conan stories contains stories which are all partly or wholly by Robert E. Howard, it is a collection; if one or more of the stories is by Lin Carter or L. Sprague de Camp, not in collaboration with Howard, then the book is an anthology.' As you can see, these two pubs contain a story not authored by Howard, making these Anthologies and not Collections. CoachPaul 21:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Conan the Avenger

I'm a little curious about an update to Conan the Avenger where you changed "Page edges in purple" to "Page edges in yellow." Did you put in the first note by mistake or could there be a purple-edged publication? Marc Kupper (talk) 16:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

this is second try at answering this. Yes the yellow edged printing is a different printing than the purple. I forgot to change after I cut & pasted a different notes section.Don Erikson 04:48, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Don. Marc Kupper (talk) 22:06, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Conan: The Treasure of Tranicos

I have your update to publication 238773 on hold. Most of the changes are ok but what caught my eye is you want to change the price from $2.75 to $2.95. Are you sure there are no copies at $2.75 in existence? I believe the source for this record and price is Locus[19]. Marc Kupper (talk) 22:04, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

With only one piece of Fiction in this book, doesn't that make it a Novel and not a Collection?CoachPaul 23:05, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
The Locus Index refers to "two other stories by de Camp", so I wonder if the two essays that we currently list are actually stories? Ahasuerus 02:36, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
FWIW - The publication update that's on hold is also changing the pub from collection to novel. I assumed this is because Don saw it as a novel with essays. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:34, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
All I can says is my copy is marked 4th printing of July 1985, and is priced $2.95. Maybe an earlier printing with the same ISBN was $2.75. It could even have also been in 1975 or even in July too. Ace didn't always change price only when they changed ISBN nor did the always give a new printing date for subsequent printings. All I can do is give the info from the book I have.
The two de Camp entries are nonfiction about Howard and his work. I used that criteria to call this a novel.Don Erikson 18:00, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Don - what I did was to
  • approve the submission to capture your updates
  • Change the parent title from COLLECTION to NOVEL.
  • Cloned the publication record you had updated to create a new record that will be for the 4th printing at $2.95
  • Edited the original publication record to change the price back to $2.75 and to remove your note about 4th printing. This record will be for a presumed 2nd or 3rd printing.
  • Edited the first printing record to change the publication type from collection to novel.
FWIW - Amazon reports the date as May-1985 meaning it's likely that's the 3rd printing date and July-1985 is the 4th printing that you have. Marc Kupper (talk) 03:07, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Tigers of the Sea

I approved your addition of Tigers of the Sea but a couple of things got my attention.

  • Your note says "Stated 1st printing" but the date is 0000-00-00.
This was just another bone-headed move on my part, the date is plainly stated May, 1975, and I've fixed it.

Usually when I run into something like this I'll hunt around in the publication for dating clues and document them. I'll try to pin down what seems like a reasonable date and try to make it really clear what the source of that date is. In this case I see on the Internet:

    • Amazon and Jim Gardner's image (of the second printing) say 1975
    • AbeBooks seller listings report:
      • 1975 1st printing - Many of these call it "Zebra 119" implying the ISBN 0-89083-119-X is not stated but one dealer says it states 0-89083-119-X.
I should do a little more research as I enter books. The ISBN is correct.
      • 1975 2nd printing
      • February, 1976 1976 3rd printing, $1.50 cover price., states 0-89083-119-X
      • 1976 4th printing, $1.50 cover price
I've been waiting for the Zebra 119 entry to be OKed so I could clone the next 3 printings.
    • One puzzle is the cover says "First Time in Paperback" and there does seem to be a 1974 Donald M. Grant hardcover. The implication is that the date of the Tigers of the Sea] (1975) short story is wrong and that it should be 1974.
    • A second puzzle is that the Introduction is reported as 1976. Is this date mentioned in the Introduction and/or copyright page? It seems odd that there's a pretty consistent cluster of 1975 sightings and yet the Introduction is in 1976 meaning the date of the introduction is wrong or the publication is misleading people into thinking it was published in 1975.
The introduction is dated February 19, 1974. I will make sure I will double check all the dates .
  • Per Locus the short story Tigers of the Sea] is by both David_A._Drake and Robert_E._Howard. ISFDB is not crediting David Drake. Is he credited and more important, how is his name formatted? Locus says David A. Drake but ISFDB only has David_Drake. Note, we should use the name credited on the title page of the story but if that's not available then the table of contents and/or copyright page can be used but then I'd add a note explaining the source.
No mention of Drake anywhere in the book, but the intro says that Tierney finished "The Temple of Abomination" & "Tigers of the Sea". Should he be considered a co-author or is this just something an editor would do?
  • You have a note "Illustrated by Tim Kirk." but no INTERIORART record. I added one. Marc Kupper (talk) 19:22, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping me in check, who knows what misinformation would propagate from my carelessnesses.Don Erikson 17:44, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
I'll credit you as the co-author for our next novel, <cue mysterious music>The Tragedy of ISFDB</cue>. The ISFDB will be on the front cover as a bug eyed monster lurking in a crater while a comely maiden (who is really a rather hard bitten oil prospector) strolls by, unaware of ISFDB (which is the real tragedy).
It looks like there's no outstanding items in the queue related to this publication meaning you can go ahead with the edits to change the dates.
Note there are a couple of other items in the queue that may have been forgotten

The Death Dolls of Lyra

I added cover-art to your verified copy, but then also added notes about copyright versus printing date, and then pointed out the OCLC record is wrong, and finally adjusted the title to add the leading "The". So a bit more drastic a change than I thought, so please do check and let me know if there's anything I've changed you disagree with. BLongley 22:06, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

It all looks good. Thanks.Don Erikson 17:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

The Vultures of Whapeton

I approved your submission, but as you can see, the resulting publication has an invalid ISBN. Please check whether this is an error in the actual publication (in which case a proper note should be made) or a data entry error. The publication appears to match OCLC record: 3598566, so quite possibly the error is the publisher's. -DES Talk 15:54, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

The bad check sum is as it appears on the spine. The ISBN doesn't appear anywhere else on the book. Of course it should be 0-89083-144-9. Don Erikson 14:51, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
If it were my publication, and the correct ISBN was known, I would put the correct ISBN into the ISBN field (so that links based on it would work) and put the stated ISBN into the notes, along eith an explanation and the source or method used to determnine the correct ISBN. However, no standard on dealing with such cases at the ISFDB exits as far as I know -- the last discussion I saw came to no conclusion. -DES Talk 15:03, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
Was it this discussion? If so, I think I'll update it with what I personally am going to do, as there was no specific alternative to my preference supported. So long as the fact that an invalid ISBN WAS on the pub somewhere is recorded, I see no need to demand it goes in the Catalog ID field and break all the nice link tools Al has given us. (And there's been even more tools added since that discussion tapered off.) It might be worth summarising and reposting in a proper Rules and Standards discussion, as we might then get the "I don't like Bill's idea" posters to provide a reasonable alternative. The discussion did teach me that some of the error messages mislead people into thinking only the check-digit is wrong, and that some editors and even moderators don't know what an SBN is. :-( So there will be some help upgrades needed as well. BLongley 20:47, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
I think it was that discussuion, although I thought it was on the rules and standards page, or maybe the community portal. But who knows. If you reopen it, i have comments to make, basically in support of your viuew as I understand same. -DES Talk 02:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Marchers of Valhalla

I approved a pair of your submisisons for this title, and added cover art from amazon to this pub record. Please check if I got the correct art. It is a bit unusual to have two different printings in the same month, but not unheard of. -DES Talk 16:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's the one. Don Erikson 14:54, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Worms of the Earth

I appears that you changed "A Song of the Race" from a shortfiction entry to a poem in several pubs of this title. The first such submission, when approved, changed all occurances of "A Song of the Race", leaving the other subnmissions as duplicates that had no effect. I approved most of these, but rejected the last after I figured out what was going on. -DES Talk 16:16, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Note also that one of the affeected pubs had been verified, you might want to drop the verifier a note. -DES Talk 16:18, 21 June 2008 (UTC)


I approved your submission, but then added a cover art URL and an OCLC record number and link. The result is here. Please double check that I have the right cover and OCLC record for your copy. Thanks. -DES Talk 20:50, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

It all looks good.Don Erikson 03:04, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

The Best Horror Stories from the Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, Volume II

You submitted an edit to an existing (unverified) pub that changed both date and price (from $4.95 to $3.95). Can you be sure that there wasn't anothe publication, perhaps later in the year, with an increased price? I notice that you say your copy was the first printing as per numberline. But OCLC: record 21208092 shows a 1988 paberback edition, although OCLC: 34790574 (for a 1990 ed) says "1st St. Martin's Press mass market ed." I think maybe a clone would havbe been better in thsi case, and I have held the submisison pending discussion. -DES Talk 18:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

I guess I should have cloned the original. But how does one tell the difference between a mistake and a different edition? I just used what appeared in the book. I checked ABE to check for other printings but it was little help. Don Erikson 17:54, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Sometimes you can't tell the diference. But if it is at all plausible that there is a diferent edition, I would so assume. (In some cases an error is obvious -- a date of 1908 for a work by an author born in 1935, or a price of $105 for a pb.) Remember that ABE will list nothing if a copy doesn't happen to be on sale through ABE at the moment. I have found quite helpful, as well as OCLC and library of congress online searches. -DES Talk 18:39, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
Sorry, I should have got back to this long ago. I did the close, using your data. I am going to reject the original submisison, but your data has been accepted via the clone. -DES Talk 16:07, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Symon Jade's Return of the Dead

Your submission updating this pub has the note "The subtitle "Return from the Dead" doesn't appear on the cover, spine or title page, but only the copyright page and the page opposite it." I looked up this pub on and saw a cover that was titled Starship Orpheus #1. If this is the title printed on the title page, we should change the pub record to reflect that. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:57, 29 June 2008 (UTC) lists this as:
Return from the Dead
Return from the Dead (Starship Orpheus Series, No. 1)
Symon Jade,
Publisher: Pinnacle Books
ISBN: 0523416466 DDC: 813.54 Edition: Paperback; 1982-03
I hope that is of some help. -DES Talk 20:25, 29 June 2008 (UTC)
I think that Don has the actual pub, so he would have the final word here. MHHutchins 22:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Home Sweet Home

I just approved your pub. However, says of this edition "Cover art signed by Newton". That isn't IMO solid ewnough for me to just add a cover artist, but perhaps you will want to check for a signature? -DES Talk 23:17, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Yes, it says Newton in big easy-to-rean letters & I missed it. I even looked for a sig. & still didn't see it.Don Erikson 05:22, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Anarchy In The Ashes

I just approved Your pub of Anarchy In The Ashes. I then added cover art from amazon. Is it correct for your copy? -DES Talk 23:29, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

That is the right cover.Don Erikson 05:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)


Can you check to see if the ISBN on this pub was incorrectly printed? Thanks.

I'll try a second time to respond here, I wonder why some of the edits I do here seem to disappear into the aether.

Well anyway, this bad check sum is my fault, mistaking a 9 for an 8. The ISBN is 0-446-30698-3.Don Erikson 01:46, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

I couldn't find either ISBN ("0446306883" or "0446306983") on, nor on ISBNDB.COM, nor on worldcat/OCLC. But since you have double checked it, I presuem from the physical pub, i am going to approve it anyway. -DES Talk 17:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
On wiki edits, it is very easy to click "preview" insted of save, watch for the 'This is only a preview" warning. You can click "My contributions" or use Special:Contributions to see a list of all of your edits. If your browser or network connection glitches while an edit is being saved, it may be lost -- hitting preview first seems to amke it easier to redo, at least it does for me. -DES Talk 17:03, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Adventures in Tomorrow

Correct Cover? BLongley 16:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes that is correct. Don Erikson 18:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

The Penultimate Truth

Correct Cover? BLongley 19:54, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Yes that is correct. Don Erikson 18:17, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Stephen King submissions

I am holding your three submissions for the Stephen King/Richard Bachman books Rage, The Long Walk, and Roadwork. You note that they are published as by "Richard Bachman". Unless it states "Stephen King writing as Richard Bachman", we have to place these pubs under the Richard Bachman title records. If accepted, your submissions would place them under the Stephen King title record. You can resubmit the pubs (choose New Novel instead of Add Publication to This Title) or I could accept your submissions, unmerge them from the King record, and then merge them under the Bachman variant. Either way is up to you.
Also, I'm holding your clone of the Night Shift collection as the ISBN (0-451-13131-3) is invalid. 0-451-13131-2 is a valid ISBN, but what is printed in the book? Thanks. MHHutchins 01:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I was a little confused about this, the Bachmnan books were originally published before it was revealed they were by King. When I went to enter them it shows that the Bachman page says to see the King page. I just assumed (there's that word again) that the conflict was settled already. I'll re-enter them as New Novels under the Bachman name. As to NIGHT SHIFT; the check sum IS a 2, my bad.Don Erikson 18:33, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
That probably mean they were entered as by Bachman, and then a varient title record created for them as by King. That's what I would do with them in any case. -DES Talk 19:37, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
When you're on a page that redirects you to the canonical author, you can click "Titles" under the "Editing Tools" section to reveal all the titles under the pseudonym. Then you can Add Publication to one of those titles instead and keep the correct attribution. BLongley 21:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Yes, the way variant author attributions are displayed can be confusing. It was months after working on the ISFDB that I discovered the "trick" that Bill speaks about. Go to this page which lists the Bachman titles. Click on the title that you wish to enter a new pub for, then proceed as normal. (Thanks Bill. I should have thought of that simple method to bring up the Bachman titles.) As it stands now, there are no pubs under the three Bachman titles that you were entering. I'll go ahead and delete the three previous submissions, and accept the Night Shift one (and correct the ISBN myself.) Thanks. MHHutchins 01:52, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Light on Quests Mountain

I approved Light on Quests Mountain by mistake, I had intended to hold it pending discussion with you. It appears that this is a "choose your own adventure" game/story book. Is that correct?

I am not sure of the status of such works. I know that gaming modules are out, even if they contain some narrative text, and game based novels and stories are in. What is this, and why do you think it should be in if it is in a grey area? -DES Talk 15:57, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

We seem to have the rest of the series so I guess someone wants it in, although "Gamma World" was an RPG like D&D (I believe you could even use the same player's handbook}. One concern I have is that adding the middle initial to Mary L. Kirchoff has led to that name just having a stray publication. If the pub is to remain, that should be fixed. BLongley 17:49, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Light on Quests Mountain is a "choose your own adventure" game/story book. I've entered other "choose your own adventure" books in the past with no problems. I don't see these as games but as a works of fiction that just isn't experienced in the customary linear fashion. Identifying with the characters has always been integral with genre fiction, and these just take this to a higher level. But what the hell do I know, I've never read one. Don Erikson 18:51, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Reasonable, i wasn't sure where we drew the line on those. I could argue the point either way. I think i'll raise it as a general question, just to make sure we are all on the same page on the issue. Might be a good idea to include a note on CYOA pubs, as they are a bit different from ordinary novels. -DES Talk 19:35, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Book 3 Amazing Stories: Portrait in Blood

Is "Book 3 Amazing Stories" really part of the title, or is it an indication of where this is in a series? lists the title as "Portrait in Blood" and amazon puts "Amazing Stories" in parens, which it often does for a series indication that is not part of the title proper. OCLC Fiction Finder record # 13106089 lists "Portrait in Blood" as the title, with "Series: Amazing stories ;; bk. 3;". So does OCLC record 27113644 (for the microform version). The Template:Melvyl catalog does not appear to lsit this title at all. -DES Talk 16:13, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

I'm not wed to this title. I stared at this for longer than usual trying to decide how to do this one. On the cover, spine and title page it goes in order as I entered: on the cover "Book 3" is above "Amazing Stories" which is above "Portrait in Blood". On the spine it's "Book 3" over "Amazing Stories" but "Portrait in Blood" is to the right. The title page has the same order as the cover but with different type styles & sizes. Any changes the moderator wants to make is alright with me.
To make things more complicated, after closer inspection this is a "choose your own adventure" type book.Don Erikson 19:04, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
If we are accepting CYOAs, we are accepting them, title issues ought to be the same for them as for any pub. Ok I'll approve this and then make changes, mantioning what is actually on the pub in the notes, since you don't mind. -DES Talk 19:42, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
Submisison approved, title changed, note added on both pub and title level. -DES Talk 19:50, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


Your edit to D.A.R.Y.L. would have changed the existing record for a different (Coronet) edition to a record for your Berkley Pacer edition. I have instead used the clone feature and the data in your submission to create a separate publication for the Berkley edition. The result is here. Please check it out. I am rejecting the submission as it stood. -DES Talk 16:27, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

My fault, I meant to clone this.Don Erikson 19:06, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
No problem, let he who is without typos cast the first stone. Won't be me. -DES Talk 19:39, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


I've held your submission for Cyborg, ISBN 0583123910, as most sites seem to think this is actually "Operation Nuke". (Number two in the series.) Can you double-check please? BLongley 20:45, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

You're right, I'm wrong. Must have cut & pasted the wrong line. The correct ISBN is 0583122736. Now that I examine the information more closely, I feel it isn't as reliable as I would hope. Maybe we should not OK this one.Don Erikson 01:07, 12 August 2008 (UTC)
I think the seller was using the Amazon date (Jan 1975) for a 1974 pub. (Presumably late 1974.) You've already added that one, although you had it as 1973 (the date of the W. H. Allen hardcover). I've added the hardcover and adjusted the date of the Mayflower paperback. I think I have that somewhere, but it's not in the obvious place, I'll have to ask my cleaner where she filed it. BLongley 08:31, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

High Deryni 1973 adult fantasy edition

You submitted an edit to this pub. One of the changes you made was from a catalog number ("#23485") to an ISBN ("0345234855"). Does the volume actually show the ISBN, or is it derived from other sources? if it is derived that there ought, IMO, to be a note giving the actual cat #, and the source from which the ISBN is taken. If the cat # is shown also, perhaps a note should mention that.

I have the edit on hold, pending your response. -DES Talk 18:39, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The ISBN appears on the copyright page.Don Erikson 01:05, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
I have approved the edit. If the "Cat #" appears on the cover, a note might be a good idea, but since you have the physical book, i will leave it to your judgement. -DES Talk 15:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

The Space Mavericks

I added a cover image to your recently entered pub. I also entered some other editions (some of which may actually be different descriptions of the same edition) based on OCLC records. Please check if I have the cover correct. -DES Talk 16:54, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

That is right cover. Don Erikson 18:44, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


When the copyright page shows a valid ISBN, but the cover shows a parital ISBN or a catalog number that is not an ISBN, please put the ISBN in the datbase field and the other number in the notes field. A workign ISBN in the database field enables the various ISBN-based links from the publication record. -DES Talk 21:39, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

I guess I wasn't very clear here. The ISBN of on the copyright page is the same as the a regular mass market later printing and most probably just not removed when this "Special Edition" (i.e. book club) was printed and the number on the cover is the correct one. Troll maybe an imprint of Berkley, if so the ISBN might have started with 0-425-....Don Erikson 00:23, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Nongenre novels

When entering non-genre novels, you can go to the title record later and change the type to NONGENRE. My apologies if you already knew this. I have added some info to the non-genre Laumer novels you added today, after approving the edits. -DES Talk 16:24, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Really! Seriously I had no idea. I've looked for a specific NONGENRE command etc. Can I do it when I enter a "New Novel"? Don Erikson 21:08, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
No I'm afraid not. The problem is that "NONGENRE" is a type of title record, not a type of publication record. When you enter a new novel, you are essentially entering a publication record, and the system creates a title record to match. To override any of the defaults for that title record (for example, to indicate that the title is part of a series), you need to come back and edit the title record (the "Edit title data" link from the title/bibliography display) after the initial edit has been approved by a moderator. This is also when you can merge the title if a duplicate was created, as often happens with anthologies or collections, and sometimes with novels. I hope this is helpful. -DES Talk 21:15, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The World Shuffler by Laumer

You submitted an edit (#1022551) that would change an $8.25 trade paperback into a $2.75 mass-market pb. Do you have some reason to think that the TP never existed, or was improperly recorded? I note that there is already a record for a pb with ISBN 0-441-91702-X, while the record you are editing has ISBN 0-441-91703-8. Please double check the book, and consider if your edit really should be an update, or a clone, or perhaps an update of the other record. I have the submission on hold pending your response. -DES Talk 23:17, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

My mass market sized book has the same ISBN as this supposed trade paperback. A search of ABE shows 69 ACE copies of this book, none mention being a trade paperback. Also by searching by ISBN reveals 16 results, one saying like my copy that it is the 4th printing, another that it, as mine dated 1984-04-00, and another that it is a mass market and yet another calls it a "paperback size". It seems unlikely that there would be both a trade & mass market with the same ISBN, so I felt it was a pretty safe assumption to change it ( also considering that numerous partial entries that use "tp" as a filler.Don Erikson 21:00, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
Thank you. Approved. -DES Talk 16:13, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Earthman's Burden -- change to verified pub

I changed your verifed pub by changign the publisher from "Avon (3rd printing)" to "Avon", there was already a ote mentionign the 3rd printing status in the notes field. -DES Talk 23:51, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

I was (and still am) just learning my way around. I'm going through my collection mostly alphabetically and when I'm done I guess I'll have to start over to clean up & clarify.Don Erikson 21:04, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
No problem, I'm still learning myself, and we only recently started to try to reguarize publisher names and consolidate publishers. it is now a good idea to do a publisher search on the key element of the anme (say "avon") and use one of the more popular forms already existing, if possible -- this avoids creating extra work for the people doing publisher regualrization. -DES Talk 21:18, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

The Word For World Is Forest

You submitted a new publication of this title, with type NONFICTION. I assume this was a typo. I have corrected it to CHAPTERBOOK, since that is the correct type, and you will find other publicatiosn ahve that type. See the results. -DES Talk 21:02, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

I meant to change CHAPTERBOOK to NOVEL (and mis-selected NONFICTION) believing that it was in error. This is a standard mass market pb. Am I wrong in changing it?Don Erikson 21:58, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
If the actual text of "The Word For World Is Forest" remans a novella, that is, contains less than 40,000 words, then the publication is a "chapterbook", no matter what it looks like. If the text is actually over 40,000 words than it is a novel, but in that case it is significantly different from the known version in Again, Dangerous Visions, and should be noted as such. -DES Talk 22:46, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Warrior of Scorpio

Daw 95cent edition Johs Kirby cover art. I uploaded the image. I have the same edition. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:51, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Conjure Wife

I approved your update to Conjure Wife] but then cloned it to 270260 so that there's one record for the due-cut black cover and another for the copper foil cover. The goal is one publication record per publication that can be distinguished from other publications. Marc Kupper (talk) 18:02, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Leiber's The Wanderer

Did you intend your submission for this title to be a clone or an update? As it is, it's a new pub which duplicates this verified pub. The only difference is the line: Cover also came with large rectangular blue on white sticker saying "A HUGO AWARD WINNER BEST SCIENCE FICTION NOVEL 1964". MHHutchins 20:14, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

I just noticed that the original pub record stated "Printed in Canada" which you changed in your submission to "Printed in the US". I'll go ahead and accept it as a new pub. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:17, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

The Stepford Wives

Your submission, which i have on hold, says "No printing or edition stated. Date here id from copyright page and may not actually be correct for this printing as at least two other printings have same date." My first thought is to approve this, but edit the date to 0000-00-00 (which is how we normally date printings with no date specified unless there is a good reason to date them otherwise) and alter the note accordignly. Would you object to this? Do you have any other basis for the date? -DES Talk 20:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I had difficulty deciding to go with the date or 0000-00-00. You're probably right & I should have done it the other way. I still plan to clone those aforementioned editions once this is taken care of.Don Erikson 18:08, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Approved and date changed to 0000-00-00. -DES Talk 19:58, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Mahogany Trinrose et al

Correct cover for Mahogany Trinrose (Playboy edn)? clarkmci / --j_clark 06:47, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

I've approved Unto Zoer, Forever, but please fix the price (which is currently the same as the number of pages). I have the 2nd printing which is a year later, so its price might be different. Would you also check the cover I've added, because my second printing is slightly different to the image I found on Amazon US.

I've added images (from Amazon US) for a couple of other Lichenbergs & Lindholms - I have copies, so I'm assuming yours are the same. clarkmci / --j_clark 07:19, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

The covers are correct and the price is fixed.Don Erikson 18:10, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The Lion of Judah in Never-Never Land

Your submission for The Lion of Judah in Never-Never Land (which i have on hold) states in the notes "Author given as Kathryn Ann Lindskoog on title page." but has in the author field "Kathryn Lindskoog". Help:Screen:EditPub says "As with the title, take the name from the title page in preference to the cover or spine of the book. Where was the shorter form used? On the cove or spine, or elsewhere? Unless there is something about this book that I do not understand, i think it should be entered under the author name of "Kathryn Ann Lindskoog", possibly with a note about where in the publication the name "Kathryn Lindskoog" is printed. Note that we currently have on file author records for Kathryn Lindskoog and Kathryn A. Lindskoog. Neither has yet been designated as canonical, although Wikipedia uses "Kathryn Lindskoog". I await your response. -DES Talk 15:03, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

It was "Kathryn Lindskoog" on the cover and spine, so I figured 2 against 1 and go with the cover version. But now I know better. There's so much to remember! My brain hurts!!!Don Erikson 01:47, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Approved, pub altered to match the description above. -DES Talk 19:25, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Foundation's Friends

I made a few changes in your submission of this pub. You showed Asimov as a co-editor although he isn't credited in any other edition. I changed the size from "tp" to "pb" (based on the dimensions stated on OCLC), and added the page count. I also removed the page numbers as this edition had more pages than the hardcover, so it's not likely that the editions had the same pagination. I gave the pub date as October 1990 (as stated in Locus1). If you feel any of this is in error, please let me know. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:05, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

The reason (if I remember correctly, I mean it was DAYS ago) that this entry was so incomplete was that I imported the contents and I'm going to complete it soon. I thought I put in the page #s though at least. Well I'll fix it soon.Don Erikson 18:16, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Shadows 6

Your submission adding a new printing of this title is puzzling. Everything appears to be exactly the same as this first printing, but you state "Assumed 2nd Printing". Is there any internal evidence of this being a different printing? I will hold the submission until hearing back from you. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:08, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorry, my mistake. It should have read "Stated 2nd printing". Don Erikson 18:20, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
Good. I approved the submission and made the correction. MHHutchins 19:23, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

The Box Man (1973 US)

I realize that you are simpl addign publications to an existign title, but still. Normally we use a parenthetical qualifier like "(1973 US)" only for a revised version. In this case I see no indiation of a revision, nor of any other editon with the title The Box Man but a different text. True this does appear to be the title of a translated edition, but i don't see any need for (1973 US) to indicate that, nor does it do so clearly IMO. Do you see any reason to retain this qualifier, or the similar ones on other works by this author? -DES Talk 19:57, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Historically, suffixes like "(1973 US)" or "(1962 UK)" seem to have been added from Clute/Nicholls or other sources that use that format, to cover titles we haven't got yet. Once we get a REAL publication under such a title, I'm all for correcting the title back to what the publication states unless it really needs a suffix for "expanded" or "revised" or such. Dating such titles still seems a bit loose though - I favour first date the variant title was used, but as variant authors also create variants most of our entry dates are poor. Still, there's no reason not to TRY and get such right. I can wait till Don has finished his entries in the meantime, but yes, someone (probably not Don) should adjust this after we have the data. BLongley 22:21, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
I cloned these from another entry, but because I wasn't sure if should leave the parenthetical info or not, so I erred on the side of caution.Don Erikson 01:43, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
Approved, qualifiers removed for all books by this author with actual pubs on record. -DES Talk 19:26, 4 September 2008 (UTC)

Of Kings and Quests

Hi Don - what's the source for the note you want to add to Of Kings and Quests that says "Title is supposed to be OF QUESTS AND KINGS."? Marc Kupper (talk) 23:04, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Well let's just say I pulled it off the shelf and checked it directly. I may have been the one to make the original mistake.Don Erikson 01:37, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
No problem - the easy fix is to edit the publication record and to change the title both at the top for the publication and at the bottom for the title record. It's an easy one to verify as Amazon has a cover image. I went ahead with fixing this. Marc Kupper (talk) 04:02, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

Hadon of Ancient Opar

Just an FYI that I have added a note to your verified first printing of this book, which reads "Stated first printing as per the number line. DAW book #100." I have also added Roy Krenkel's interior artwork. Ahasuerus 19:40, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

1,000-Year Plan by Asimov

I'm uncertain about your submission adding a new publication of this title that had the same catalog number as the Ace double. It was reprinted in 1962 by Ace as a single but with a different catalog number which we already have in the database. (I did see that this pub's title record was Foundation instead of The 1,000-Year Plan which I've corrected.) Is this pub listed in your source for this submission, The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No. 1? MHHutchins 19:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)

Didn't I make a note that this was from WSFDB#1? Well I meant to. The WSFDB also noted that this was a "Special Edition". I also checked THE SCIENCE-FICTION COLLECTOR 2's additions list to #1's Ace checklist and there is listed two other singles also listed with the same number their doubles were. Norton's THE STARS ARE OURS (D-121) & Leinster's THE FORGOTTEN PLANET (D-146). And I checked ABE and there is a few copies for sale.
Perhaps my question was unclear. What I meant to ask: Is this Ace single listed in the WSFDB#1? I checked my copy of THE SCIENCE-FICTION COLLECTOR #2 with the additions and errata to its Ace Books listing in #1, and it does list D-110 as reissued as a single, but doesn't give the year or price. The question then becomes why would they reissue a title as a single in the same year as it was published as a double with the same catalog # and at a price not inline with their catalog numbering system (D series were all 35¢. Oh, well. Tuck doesn't have a listing for it as a single (except for the 1962 reissue). What the heck, I'll accept the submission, but will have to unmerge it from the double title in which you entered it, and place it under the single title. I'm also going to contact the two ABE book dealers who have this listed as a single to verify its existence. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:14, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Just checked OCLC which has a separate printing of the title as a "Special Edition" (still abridged!) Again, no date and price given. Still that makes at least three secondary sources (or two, if the WSFDB got their info from Grant Thiessen's list.) MHHutchins 18:40, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Contacted one of the ABE dealers who verifies that his copy is an Ace Single, so now we have physical verification that it exists. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:29, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

Asimov entries from the WSFDB

I'm holding four submissions pending the outcome of this correspondence:

  1. Your submission for Pebble in the Sky as part of a Unicorn Book Club omnibus is incorrectly entered. The title and author of the pub record should be the title and author of the omnibus. If no single title or editor is credited, then the titles of each of the novels, with "Anonymous" as the editor, or with each individual author listed in the author fields. Then enter each of the novels as one of the content entries, then merge the newly created Asimov title with the existing title record. If you feel that entering the non-genre works would compromise the integrity of the database (I don't) you can add make a reference to this publication in the Pebble in the Sky title record's note field.
  2. Your submission for a new pub of The Currents of Space contains in the notes both "5th Printing" and "1st Printing". Was this simply failing to replace part of the notes when cloning or is it listed as such in the WSFDB?
  3. The submission updating Asimov's Mysteries states cover artist is "James MvMullan". A typo?
  4. The submission adding a new SFBC printing with a new gutter code is up for debate. As there is no ISFDB standard for creating a new record based on Doubleday's gutter code system, I believe we should simply add in the record for the original SFBC edition a note about the additional printing, its gutter code and the date of printing. If you feel strongly about creating a new record, you can start a discussion on the Rules and Standard page. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
I will re-enter the "Pebble in the Sky" mystery omnibus (or would that be an anthology) as you recommended. As to The Currents of Space ,I meant it to be a 5th printing and goofed. As to MvMullan it's a typo fro srue. As to the new gutter code, I thought a new printing meant a new listing. I see myself as just a worker ant here and let the decisions on policy to My Ant Lord Masters. Don Erikson 20:08, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
There is no policy yet concerning SFBC reprints (even among us Lord Masters), so as a member of our colony your voice is as important as the next worker ant, or even drone or queen. That's why I suggested bringing the issue to one of our discussion forums. I recently wrote the standards for SFBC entries, and even I quibbled about how reprints should be handled. If a consensus can be arrived at following a discussion, I'm more than willing to fall into step. I've rejected item #1, which you said you would resubmit (as an omnibus, because it combines previously separately published works, whether they be novels, collections or anthologies). I accepted #2 and #3, correcting the typos. And will hold #4, if you wish to start a discussion on the Rules and Standards page. Thanks. MHHutchins 01:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Slave of Sarma

In your update to Slave of Sarma you replaced the note

  • Taken from Amazon customer cover and ABE. Cover upper left corner has MB with (price below and number 75-305 printed diagonally). No. 4 on top spine.


  • Assumed 1st printing.

I agree that removing "Taken from Amazon customer cover and ABE." make sense but did you remove "Cover upper left corner has MB with (price below and number 75-305 printed diagonally). No. 4 on top spine." because it's not accurate or was unnecessary? Marc Kupper (talk) 06:31, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

The "Taken from Amazon customer cover and ABE." part was removed because I was using a primary source. The "Cover upper left corner has MB with (price below and number 75-305 printed diagonally)" parts were not needed and inaccurate, being vertical and not "diagonal". And there isn't a number 4 on the spine. Don Erikson 19:42, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

The Temples of Ayocan

You are updating The Temples of Ayocan to

  • Change the ISBN from 0523407874 to 0523006233
  • Change the note from
    • First printing. The original version of the ISFDB record listed a catalog ID, #P623, for this book, but it's not found in the verification copy and it's not clear where it had come from.
    • Stated 1st printing.

ISBNs 0523407874 and 0523006233 are on Amazon for The Temples of Ayocan. I suspect your update is ok but I'm wondering if you have evidence that the original publication did not exist. That reference to #P623 sure throws me for a loop as that's what should be on your 0523006233 and not a 0523407874. I could not find P623 on AbeBooks/Google other than the ISFDB reference.

What I'd like to do is to clone the publication and to create a new record that matches your publication. I'd also leave the note about P623 in your clone. Please also mark it as verified as then someone digging through this mess later will know your copy is a bonafide version. Marc Kupper (talk) 06:48, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

According to ABE the ISBN 0523407874 is for 4th printing (or so I infer from the 4 listings), the one I changed was a 1st. "#P623" may be shorthand for what appears on the cover, starting with the P-shaped logo then "523-220623-3 * $1.25". The ISBN I used was from the spine & copyright page. I'll verify this entry as you askedDon Erikson 20:00, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Don - I approved the update. Marc Kupper (talk) 06:23, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The Dragons of Englor

Regarding your update to The Dragons of Englor. You want to change

  • the price from $1.25 to $1.50
  • change the note from "Second printing May 1977." to "Stated 2nd printing."

Though I normally don't like to see publication record's prices changed it looks like this one is ok in that someone cloned the first printing to create a record for the second printing but failed to remove unverifiable information such as the price. More evidence of this is the "Second printing May 1977" note where someone replaced "First" with "second" but failed to change the date on the note though they changed it in the metadata. Dragoondelight verified the 3rd printing. I wonder if he's creating pub records for presumed editions based on the contents of a later edition. First I'll ask you - did you create this record and are now fixing it or did you find it and are now updating it? Marc Kupper (talk) 06:56, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

I own both these printings so if there is a problem it was my fault.I think I cloned the 1st printing and forgot to remove the old date from the notes. I redo the the 2nd's update now.Don Erikson 20:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
Thank you - approved and then date from a later update to this pub (the note) added. Marc Kupper (talk) 06:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)
And I noticed that with the Jeffry Lord biblio the listing of "Blade" books is incomplete (missing 13,14,30) but are all there when you click the series tab at the top of the list. Just thought I'd point this out.Don Erikson 20:16, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
The problem here is that author bibliography pages don't show a variant title unless the parent title is also on the same page. Jeffrey Lord is a house name shared by Roland J. Green and Ray Nelson. For most of the Richard Blade titles we have not figured out if Roland J. Green or Ray Nelson wrote them and so they they just appear on the Jeffrey Lord bibliography. The actual author for titles 13, 14, and 30 has been identified and the Jeffrey Lord versions of the titles are now variant titles of Roland J. Green or Ray Nelson titles. The missing stories appear on the two physical author bibliographies and no longer show up on Jeffrey Lord's bibliography as the titles are variants. I have long thought ISFDB should not do this but the last time I looked into this the fix was complicated. Marc Kupper (talk) 06:43, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

The Grey Ones

You updated The Grey Ones to add the catalog # and note. Those are fine but down in the Contents section you are changing the date of the title from 1960-00-00 to 1970-00-00. I accepted your updates to the publication but changed the title date back to 1960 as the story was published by Hodder & Stoughton in 1960.

Does your copy have a 1970 copyright date indicating perhaps that it has been revised or maybe the author added a new introduction? Marc Kupper (talk) 19:26, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Oops!. That was just a typo.Don Erikson 14:25, 22 September 2008 (UTC)


Don if you still have this magazine[20] can you give me the first and last sentence of the story Hatchetman on page 4. I want to see if it matches part of a story in the fix-up novel "Planetary Agent X". Thanks!Kraang 03:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

"Billy Antrim was riding hard." "For once again it was a matter of no getaway arranged for pistolero Billy Antrim."Don Erikson 00:37, 24 September 2008 (UTC)
Perfect match! It appears "Pistolero" was never published in Analog(as stated in the Ace Double copyright page) and it's first publication was in the fix-up novel "Planetary Agent X" as "Part Two" as the only title. It was then republished as a single story in 1966 as "Hatchetman. Thanks!Kraang 01:18, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Not Quite Human #1: Batteries Not Included

I've approved these, but I'm just wondering if the cover of your copy is the same as shown on Amazon US here. I ask 'cos my UK edn has the same painting and the artist on mine isn't credited that I can find; thus I'll cross-ref to your artist, if so. Ta ...clarkmci/--j_clark 00:32, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

The cover I have is the same as the one shown at Amazon. The artist credit is from the copyright page.Don Erikson 15:02, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Thank you ...clarkmci/--j_clark 23:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Six Gates from Limbo

I've approved your edit to Six Gates from Limbo but wonder if there's another UK price that could be listed? I suspect my obscured UK price copy concealed a "4/-" entry or suchlike - in 1969 we were still using Shillings although we were preparing for decimalisation. Feel free to take over Primary Verification if your copy is better than mine! BLongley 20:09, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

It appears both ways. Like this "4s.(20p.)". I wasn't sure if "4s." was written here as "4/-" so I went with the decimalisationismically way. I will go back and add a note.Don Erikson 21:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I always like to know what I missed when somebody mutilated my physical editions. BLongley 19:35, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

The Earth Lords

Just a note that I have added the following text to your verified edition of Dickson's The Earth Lords: "Stated "Ace original edition, and has never been previously published". First printing as per the number line. Price in Canada C$5.25." Ahasuerus 21:55, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

The Whole Science Fiction Data Base Quarterly No. 2 Summer 1988

I have approved the addition of The Whole Science Fiction Data Base Quarterly No. 2 Summer 1988 and then changed the constituent sections from NONFICTION to ESSAYs. Keep in mind that we reserve NONFICTION for book length works and ESSAYS for anything less than that :) Ahasuerus 03:36, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

Kai Lung Unrolls His Mat

Don, I have to question the classification of this as a novel rather than a collection. You're down as verifying our only verified pub of it (same edition I've got, I think - can't easily check right now as it's mislaid somewhere), & I'm guessing that you're responsible for classifying it as a novel & for the note in that pub giving a reason for this.
I've entered a request for discussion here. If I'm right about your taking the pro-novel view, I'd appreciate your joining in. Thanks -- Dave (davecat) 04:03, 10 October 2008 (UTC)

The John C. Winston Company

Hi Don - I approved a batch of updates but was curious as to why you changed some publishers from The John C. Winston Company to Winston, left others as "The John C. Winston Company", added some as "The John C. Winston Company" and added others as "Winston". Marc Kupper (talk) 22:22, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

You can lay the inconstancy to forgetful inattention. But by the time I neared the end of the list I felt uncertain about my changing to "Winston". I will go back and make them all uniform to "John C. Winston Company" dropping the "The" as being unnecessary. If anyone has a better ideas I'm open to them.
Consistency in publisher's name seems to be an ongoing problem. Like how it may be "Ballantine/Del rey" or Del Rey Ballantine" or just " Del Rey" or some other variation of order, capitalization, etc. May I suggest a list of "preferred" publisher names compiled by someone willing to make all hard the decisions. The real problem I see with this would be how with company mergers and in-house & imprint name changes it all could look to be as convoluted as a hillbilly's family tree.Don Erikson 17:48, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Unfortunately there's nobody competent to make ALL the hard decisions. I'd have a stab at English paperback publishers if people let me. I wouldn't even know who to support for such a role for US paperback publishers, or even if I should have a vote on such, despite owning many. Hardcover experts are another category, and if people do both they're probably too busy. BLongley 20:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
We're all a bit specialist in some ways, and all we've done so far is consolidate unverified publishers a bit more than they used to be, then got into some controversy over whether verified pubs can be regularised by someone that thinks they know best. I still lean towards something I said when this all started - we should have a publisher field we can express our desired detail level in, and another (originally copied from the first) that we can regularise to some extent so that we can link to a standard Wiki page for all the other stuff we can't yet put in the database. So "Winston" is fine for the regularised version, but people can still record "The John C. Winston Company", or "John C. Winston Company" or "John C. Winston", whatever... but they could find the "Winston" wiki page and see if THAT says that a certain form of the name defines a period that books with that form of the name on were published, or mentions that there was a "Charles Winston" company that also published SF and the division between John and Charles needs to be made clearer, or suchlike. BLongley 20:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
At the moment we're a bit stymied and not moving anywhere. :-( I could live with people leaving comments on each Wiki page we have for publishers, saying "Ace SF and Ace Fantasy need to be split!" or "Scholastic needs to be split into YA and other imprints" or "Tandem Science Fantasy and Tandem Fantasy are the same, merge them" and see what we end up with in a few months, with a basis of "if nobody else has commented in all that time, make the change". For now though, I'd say "Editors can go decide what's best for their own publications, keeping the aim of eventual CONSISTENCY in mind", and "If this form is important to you, go create or update the Wiki page" and the Moderators with the BFG tools can hold back for a while. BLongley 20:13, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Eight against Utopia

Good catch on the Gaughan!--Bluesman 21:42, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Death Dream

I have approved the addition of Graham Masterton's Death Dream and then merged it with the pre-existing Title. However, it looks like it may be the same first printing as the one verified by Unapersson? Ahasuerus 01:27, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Ya, it's the same. I just didn't look to see if it was listed as part of a series. Normally I would use the crt+f find to make sure I didn't miss something but... Don Erikson 17:27, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I have added your information to the verified pub and left the verifier (Unapersson) a note. Ahasuerus 14:34, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

"Gifts..." in The Iron Years

Your verified pub has the story as "Gifts...". I strongly suspect that somebody else changed the title from "Gifts" when they edited the issue of Astounding it first appeared in - and there was the cascade effect. The art director of Astounding during this period had a tendency to go totally wacky with with the ellipsis in the graphic art for story titles. Both the TOC and footer pages in the mag do not have ellipsis - and Contento and Strauss both list it as "Gifts". Please don't change anything - I am likely to remove the ellipsis from the original.--swfritter 18:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Also I noticed that you may have missed one of my queries. The submission has been on hold for a while.--swfritter 18:19, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

The title appears as "Gifts", no ellipsis, on TOC, at beginning of story & copyright page. I now have answered the Fairman query, only 7 months & 5 days later.Don Erikson 17:20, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! It should have been that in the Astounding entry. I am now pretty confident that it also should have been that way in the one unverified pub in which it appears. Please also note my message concerning the Fairman entry.--swfritter 18:00, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Seven Footprints to Satan

I have approved all Seven Footprints to Satan submissions and checked them against OCLC, but could you please double check that the Notes field in the thirteenth printing is correct? Basically, I moved "Avon 28209", which you overwrote with the ISBN, to the Notes field based on what OCLC has, but I am not sure their record is for the same printing. Thanks! Ahasuerus 20:04, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

It does say "thirteenth printing". I got the ISBN from the copyright page. I have noticed that for a period Avon had ISBNs that did not correlate with the catalog number. Some ISBNs only appeared on the copyright page and some appeared on the spine under the catalog number. I should have put the catalog number in the notes.Don Erikson 17:26, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 20:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The King of the Swords

I rejected the one edit, but since it came after the previous two, I passed those. What do you want to do with those?--Rkihara 18:08, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Please just reject them. They are both totally wrong.Don Erikson 22:38, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Northwest Smith

I have approved the addition of the 5th printing of Northwest Smith to the database. However, since it's a collection, I wonder if you meant to clone the pre-existing first printing instead? Not a big deal either way, we can always use the "Import Content" option instead. Ahasuerus 20:02, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

I take care of it.Don Erikson 23:06, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 23:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

The Weird of the White Wolf

I have approved the addition of various Berkley printings of this book, but are their titles really The Weird White Wolf and not The Weird of the White Wolf? I suspect that you may have cloned one of our old publications that has this alternative (and likely erroneous) spelling. Ahasuerus 23:40, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Like a mutant gene this mistake crept through generations of clones. It is The Weird of the White Wolf on all & I missed every one. My goof.Don Erikson 18:27, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, fixed! Ahasuerus 02:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

A Remembrance for Kedrigern

I have approved the change to the Ace printing of this book, but then changed the "0000-00-00" date to "1990-00-00" and added the following note: "Date not stated; taken from Reginald-3." Hope this matches your intent!

Also, we have a nearly identical publication record for the Berkley edition. I wonder if the Berkley pub doesn't actually exist? Ahasuerus 03:28, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

The book has a date on the copyright page but somehow I screwed it up. I have now fixed it. I noticed after doing a few edits of Morressey's books that the Berkley entries have the same ISBN as the Ace, then I remembered that Berkley and Ace were (are?) the same company and that Ace reprinted many Berkley books using the same cover art and type set text. So I think it's you could say that a Berkley book with a 0-441-xxxxx-x is actually an Ace.Don Erikson 18:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks! I have blown the "Berkley" pub away and the world is a better place now :) Ahasuerus 01:53, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Beyond the Fields We Know

User: MA Lloyd would like to add the following poems to your verified Beyond the Fields We Know:

In the Sahara 	Lord Dunsany 	1929-00-00 	168 	POEM 	
Songs From an Evil Wood 	Lord Dunsany 	1929-00-00 	169 	POEM 	
The Riders 	Lord Dunsany 	1929-00-00 	172 	POEM 	
The Watchers 	Lord Dunsany 	1929-00-00 	174 	POEM 	
The Enchanted People 	Lord Dunsany 	1929-00-00 	176 	POEM 	
The Happy Isles 	Lord Dunsany 	1929-00-00 	178 	POEM 	
A Word in Season 	Lord Dunsany 	1929-00-00 	179 	POEM 	
The Quest 	Lord Dunsany 	1929-00-00 	180 	POEM 	

Could you please check your copy and see whether the poems are present? TIA! Ahasuerus 01:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

This is why I have trepidations when verifying collections, especially ones with so much content. To answer your question, yes these poems are all there AND there is also a two act play KING ARGIMENES AND THE UNKNOWN WARRIOR. Also an afterword by Carter THE NAMING OF NAMES: NOTES ON LORD DUNSANY'S INFLUENCE ON MODERN FANTASY WRITERS. And eight one-page "Editor's Note" by Carter introducing each section.Don Erikson 18:41, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, I have approved MA Lloyd's submission. We already had "King Argimenes and the Unknown Warrior" listed on page 139 and I have added a note about the eight one page Editor's Notes. The only thing outstanding is Carter's "The Naming of Names"; could you please add it when you have a moment since you know the page number? Thanks! Ahasuerus 22:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

The Werewolf of Ponkert

I approved your submission of The Werewolf of Ponkert, but I do have a question. You credited the intro to "Anonymous". Was "Anonymous" actually listed, or was no author credit for the intro given? in the latter case the credit, according to the help page should be to "uncredited". ("If a work is credited to "Anonymous", then put "Anonymous" in the author field. The same applies for any obviously similar pseudonym, such as "Noname". If the work is not credited at all, use "uncredited", with a lower case "u".") A minor issue, in any case.

I also note that what may be the same work is also entered as a novel, see The Werewolf of Ponkert. Can you determine if this is the same complete work, or perhaps just the same work as the first shortfiction in the collection you entered? Then the entries can be properly merged or linked or proper notes entered, as the case may warrant. -DES Talk 23:36, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

According to Clute/Grant, "The Werewolf of Ponkert" (Weird Tales, 1925) was followed by "The Werewolf's Daughter" (WT, 1928), a serial. The 1958 book The Werewolf of Ponkert was a fixup of the two. After that things get murky: "[Munn] later reworked the other stories and added extensively to the series, most of these tales appearing initially in Robert Weinberg's Lost Fantasies series, and then in book form as Tales of the Werewolf Clan, #1: In the Tomb of the Bishop (coll of linked stories, 1979) and #2: The Master Goes Home (coll of linked stories, 1979)." Since Weird Tales and everything even vaguely related to it have been researched to death, there is a good chance that there is a more detailed bibliography somewhere on the net. Ahasuerus 02:15, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
P.S. Wikipedia has a more extensive, but still incomplete list of related stories. Ahasuerus 02:17, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
I changed anonymous to uncredited. Is it a collection or a fix-up novel? They were separately published as a collection but a fix-up is the same. So who knows? Not me. Collections of related stories are not uncommon but does that make them a novel. It may come down to intent, was it meant to be novel or not. To quote the back cover "The book as it is issued contains a second story, `The Werewolf's Daughter'..." seems to imply that the two stories were meant to be separate works.Don Erikson 19:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
The main difference between a fix-up and a collection of linked stories is that in fix-ups the text of the original stories has been changed compared to their standalone appearance. Sometimes the changes are minor, e.g. trivial introductory/explanatory material may have been omitted in later stories, in which case it's OK to make the book a collection and leave a Note explaining what happened. Sometimes it can be a major rewrite, in which case we will want to make it a fix-up Novel and note which stories it was based on. It's hard to be sure how significant the changes are unless you are in a position to compare all versions of the text, so we have to rely on secondary sources much of the time. Ahasuerus 22:22, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

Neville addition

Which part of the date did you add? Month/year? Just looked at my copy and can't believe I missed the month..... gremlins again!--Bluesman 23:57, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Cover credit problem

Answered on my Talk page. Ahasuerus 05:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Niven's Ringworld

I'm holding your submission to update this record, because I believe you intended to clone it to create a new pub. Here's the submission:

Column - Current [Record #171891] (as verified by Scott Latham)
Title - Ringworld
Authors - Larry Niven
Year - 1983-04-00 [Changed to 1981-11-00]
Publisher - Del Rey / Ballantine
Pages - 342
Binding - pb
PubType - NOVEL
Isbn - 0345306341 [Changed to 0345293010]
Price - $2.75 [Changed to $2.50]
Artists - Don Davis
Image -
Note - 12th printing [Changed to Stated 15th printing.]

Strange though is that your 15th printing is cheaper than Scott's 12th printing! Let me know if you wanted to create a new one or updating this one. MHHutchins 07:41, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes I meant to clone this instead of edit. But I noticed a mistake I made(date not price), so just reject this and I'll redo it.Don Erikson 18:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Done. MHHutchins 21:11, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Danger Planet-chapterbook

This. [21] . I played hobb finding this title. I realize that it is novella size by today standards, is that the reasoning for terming it a 'chapterbook'? This is not a dispute, but a simple clarification. It is not appearing in search. Here is a cover image if you wish. [22] . Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Someone else in the dark and murky past termed this a "Chapterbook" and I just verified the entry. I don't think I even noticed the "Chapterbook" designation. I did a rough word count it comes to about 50,000 so I think maybe the "NoveL' designation would be more accurate.Don Erikson 18:50, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
It won a Retro Hugo in the Novel category so I think you're right and have adjusted it. Please check if I've done so appropriately. BLongley 19:37, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Short novel, but I think it fits also. Thanks, for the title search fix, Bill. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:43, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad that the title search works now, that's a rather fundamental rule that recent Chapterbook edits are breaking. (Every publication should have a title record.) Hopefully Don likes the edit too? (I added a Cover that I think matches as well whilst I was at it.) Feel free to contact me directly to fix a chapterbook that's broken that way - we may not yet have decided on the "official" workaround, but if the content MUST stay as Shortfiction then it seems most people can cope with the publication being a single content Collection or Anthology or Magazine. It's only the Novels that people seem to want to break this way. BLongley 22:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
Having said that, this book led me to searching for the Retro Hugo rules, which are quite interesting and will safely take me away from editing/moderating here tonight - it seems many editors are getting Three-against-One advisory notes today where four people will have at least five different opinions! So going to find some rules we can steal is probably better use of my time. BLongley 22:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Galactic Invaders

Greetings! Did a change to the title of GLCTCNVDRS1976 and added a note to explain that "The" appears only on the cover and not on the title or copyright page. Have been told by a couple of Moderators that the title page takes precedence. Cheers!--Bluesman 00:49, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I've approved this, updated the "Title" record, added a note about "The" on the cover only and last added a cover image.Kraang 03:55, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Space Swimmers

On your copy of THSPCSWMMR1967 can you read the signature on the bottom right of the front cover? I've tried even with a magnifying glass and can't quite make it out...?--Bluesman 01:42, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I didn't notice it before but it says "Powers", I'm 99.9% sure. The work looks like his, the signature looks like his even though it's a little dark. I would have no problem in saying it is Richard Powers.Don Erikson 19:38, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

16th printing of Priest-Kings of Gor

Can you double-check the publication date of the 16th printing of this title? It doesn't match up with other printings. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:24, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

You're right I screwed something up. I will fix it.Don Erikson 19:39, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

1st printing of Nomads of Gor

Look at the note you submitted for this pub and you'll notice the inconsistency. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:26, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

And this one as well. Also this one. You might want to check out all of the Nomads of Gor submissions. The dark secrets of cloning brought into the light! MHHutchins 19:27, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
I seem to have gotten a copy of RAIDERS OF GOR mixed in with NOMADS...

I will go back and double check them all.Don Erikson 19:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Outlaw of Gor

I'm holding your submission for the fourth printing of this title. There appears to be a similar one which was verified by Ahasuerus. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:34, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

I may have been using the verified book as a clone source, I'm going to recheck all the Norman books I've done so far so go ahead and reject this one.Don Erikson 19:48, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

The Timekeeper Conspiracy-last digit year error?

This. [23] . My copy is the same, but the date is April, 1984. This fits the series timeline printings and this cover. [24] . Also Canadian price is C$2.95. I think your verification is a simple typo on the year. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:15, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Yes it is a typo and I missed it. Don Erikson 06:38, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Android at Arms

Regarding your update to Android at Arms. You want to replace the note

  • Referenced in bibliography by Helen-Jo Jakusz Hewitt published in 1975 publication "The Book of Andre Norton"
    Matches OCLC record 00971237


  • Stated 1st printing. Cover artist is in my (DWE) opinion Dean Ellis.

Did you intend to remove the original note? As it's a verified publication I'm assuming the verifier either added that note or chose to leave it in. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:31, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

I believe that at one point an editor added a whole bunch of Norton pubs from Helen-Jo Jakusz Hewitt's 1975 bibliography. We have been slowly verifying them, sometimes leaving the original note and sometimes taking it out. I think it's OK to leave the note after primary verification as long as we rephrased it in a way that doesn't suggest that we rely on Hewitt's biblio as the primary source of information. Something along the lines of "Also referenced in...", perhaps.
As far as OCLC record numbers go, I find them useful even after primary verification, doubly so in Norton's case since OCLC incorporates an unusually complete Norton bibliography. Ahasuerus 18:37, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
Thank you Ahasuerus. Both of those seem like a good idea and so I approved the submission and then edited it to add an "Also referenced in" section to the notes. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:20, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Foreigner=Page count

This. [25] . I have a dust jacketless copy and the page count is 378. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:55, 8 December 2008 (UTC) My copy IS also 378 pages. I will go and change the notes.Don Erikson 03:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Vintage Books

Hi Don! I'm doing some work on Vintage Books(Random House/Knolf), do you have any of their early paperbacks circa 1950's, 1960's & 1970's? Thanks!Kraang 03:29, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

I have some, maybe ten or so I guess. Would you want info here or should I cherry-pick and enter them to the DB directly? I think the only one I've done so fare is the Bradbury collection and Cerf anthologies.Don Erikson 19:06, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
A brief overview here would be fine. In general what I'm after is how the publisher records their name on the cover, spine and title page. Thanks!Kraang 03:16, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
Here's what I have, I hope you find it helpful.

(The under-score equals a dot in title page)

THE VINTAGE BRADBURY #V-294 later printing Cover:number upper left, no co. name or logo. Spine:lower spine has logo "Vintage" and # Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House _ New York"

BORN WITH THE DEAD Silverberg. #V-447 june '75 Cover: number upper right, no co. name or logo. Spine:Logo, number, then "Vintage" Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House _ New York"

BIO_FUTURES Sargent #V-366 june'76 Cover: number upper right, no co. name or logo. Spine: Logo, number, then "Vintage" Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House _ New York"

HUMAN-MACHINES Scortia #V-607 nov. '75 Cover: number upper right, no co. name or logo. Spine: Logo, number, then "Vintage" Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House _ New York"

THE VINTAGE ANTHOLOGY OF SCIENCE FANTASY Cerf #V-326 Cover: Logo Number then "A Vintage Original" in lower right. Spine: Logo, "Vintage" then number. Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House _ New York"

WOMEN OF WONDER Sargent #V-41 jan. '75 Cover: number upper right, no co. name or logo. Spine: Logo, number, then "Vintage" Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House/New York"

MORE WOMEN OF WONDER #v-876 sARGENT aUG.'76 Cover: number upper right, no co. name or logo. Spine: number and "vintage vertical then logo at bottom. Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House, New York"

THE NEW WOMEN OF WONDER Sargent #V-538 Jan. '78 Cover: number upper right, no co. name or logo. Spine: number and "vintage vertical then logo at bottom. Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House, New York"

MONKEY SHINES Stewart no "V" number aug. '88 Cover: at bottom middle price them logo then ISBN horizontally Spine:Logo at top ISBN & price at bottom Title page: Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House New York" all caps flush left with no punctuation.

THE FANTASTIC PULPS Haining V-109 TPB Cover: no logo number & price bottom right Spine:Logo, number, then "Vintage" Title page:Logo & "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House/New York"

THE MARRIAGES BETWEEN ZONES THREE, FOUR, AND FIVE Lessing #V-978 Aug '81 TPB Cover: No logo or co. name. price number & ISBN lower left vertical Spine:ogo, number, then "Vintage" Title page: Logo facing page 2-page spread. "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House New York" all caps flush left with no punctuation. on right hand page.

THE MAKING OF THE REPRESENTATIVE FOR PLANET EIGHT Lessing No "V" number mar. '83 TPB Cover: No logo or co. name. price & ISBN lower left vertical Spine:Logo then "Vintage" Title page: Logo facing page 2-page spread. "VINTAGE BOOKS" " A Division of Random House New York" all caps flush left with no punctuation. on right hand page.

Don Erikson 01:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Thanks Don, the above info answers all the questions I had. I have none of the Vintage books in my library and was unable to find any in the used book stores to look at. Again Thanks!Kraang 02:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I have a non-genre hardcover - Where Angels Fear to Tread by E. M. Forster. Title page has "VINTAGE BOOKS   NEW YORK / 1959". Title verso has "Published by VINTAGE BOOKS, INC. / .... / Vintage edition published February 1958; second printing, October 1959. $3.00 with a Leo Lionni cover. There's nothing about Random House.
Oddly, I don't have any Vintage from the 1960s but have a bunch from the 1970s such as The Celestial Omnibus if you are interested by me taking a gander at them for something. --Marc Kupper|talk 16:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Spell of the Witch World

Hi Don - you submitted an update to the record for the third printing where you wanted to change

  • Year from 0000-00-00 to 1972-00-00.
  • Note from "Third printing" to "No printing or edition stated but is 1st printing. DAW# 1"

I rejected this as

  • You probably intended to update this record which is for the first printing. (I believe you picked the publication at the top of the list thinking that was the 1st printing. The undated later printings are in a random order at the top of the list).
  • I also would have not dated it 1972 without a note as the early DAW books did not state a first printing date (until October 1972).
  • The note about #1 looks good but should go on the record that matches your publication. I assume you have the first printing meaning it would be this record. --Marc Kupper|talk 11:34, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
What a doofus I am. When I changed the date I felt something was wrong but in my arrogance I didn't check. I'll redo itDon Erikson 23:45, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Satan's World

The editor Bluesman has updated your verified Satan's World and added the note '"First Time in Paperback" on the front cover.' I approved the update as it seems safe enough. 06:56, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

The Undying Wizard

I approved your update to The Undying Wizard but see you removed the note "Zebra science fantasy". OCLC 2685857 reports this as "Series Title: Zebra science fantasy, 197" and I'm wondering if a reference to this exists in the publication or if OCLC had picked this up from another source. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:54, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

I believe this is not an actual series designation. I checked several other Zebra books and each have a genre description, Science Fantasy for any fantasy or sword & sorcery, Science Fiction for SF, Horror for horror, and Adventure for, for example, Ahern's Survivalist series. The top of each spine has the Zebra logo then "Zebra" then the genre. With some thinner books, as with THE UNDYING WIZARD, the genre is set vertically, making it appear separate from the company name & logo. Also the number is just the catalog number and is different on later reprints, so it doesn't seem to a specific title designation. Of course this is all just supposition, but then what isn't.Don Erikson 18:54, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Don. I guess there's no point is starting a new project to record the publisher's genre designation. :-) --Marc Kupper|talk 20:42, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The Man Who Upset The Universe

Found the initials P E S on the cover of your verified pub TMNWUU1955 and added that to the record with a note. Don't know who it is. Directly to the left of the 'U' in Unabridged. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:15, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Page's The Hephaestus Plague

You changed this pub, removing the publication date and adding a note about it being at least the second printing. Is there any internal evidence (or secondary source) that this is not the first printing of January 1975 (as it claims)? In other words, it states itself to be the first printing and is dated January 1975. "A rose by any other name..." Thanks. MHHutchins 19:21, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I see you added a new pub which is the first printing. As Emily Litella would say, "Never mind." Thanks. MHHutchins 19:40, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Midsummer Century

I have added the frontispiece in MLO1382 as interior art. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:58, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Times Without Number

Don, could you take a look at a posting I just put on Bill Longley's talk page with the same title as this, item #90, as it concerns you, too. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


Corrected a story title in MLO1058, "Whirligig" has no "!" in the table of contents or in the text. Also added a couple of notes about first printing and the artist being uncredited/no signature. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:56, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

The Gods Themselves

On The Gods Themselves you noted "Cover artist is uncredited and signature is not visible on cover."

I see a very distinct CM with the tail of the C curving up into the left side of the M. I'd say it's most likely Charles Moll who is reputed to use "CM" and was active in 1973. Do you think that's correct? The CM on this pub is on the lower edge mid-way in the dark brown band that's the back of the neck. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:51, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

This, in my opinion, is Charles Moll with the airbrush work with the image free-floating on a white background. And use of warm colors and sharp edged geometric shapes. But all three printings I own using this image has no signature, probably trimmed off. Don Erikson 18:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, I updated your publication record. It's odd yours are cut off. My copy would have to be more than 1/4th of inch out of registration to loose the CM. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:10, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Siege Perilous

Added a note to SGPERL1966 as Currey says this book was actually written by Paul W. Fairman!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:24, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

The Space Swimmers

Found Powers' signature on the cover of THSPCSWMMR1967 about 1/2" up and 1/2" in from the bottom right corner. Added that and a note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:28, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Gentleman Junkie

Changed the designation of the forward to GNTLMNJNKN1983 by Robinson from "shortfiction" to "essay". ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:36, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Men in Black

You wrote in the notes for a new edition of this title; "Steve Perry wrote this based on Ed Solomon's screenplay so maybe he should be removed as an author." How is it credited on the title page? Is it by "Steve Perry and Ed Solomon" or "Steve Perry based on the screenplay by Ed Solomon". If it's the latter we can safely remove Solomon's credit. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:48, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

It says " A Novel by Steve Perry" & under that it says "Based on the Screen Story and Screen Play By Ed Solomon". It is same squeezed on the spine. On the cover the quotes are side-by-side. Each in the same type size.Don Erikson 19:08, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


Added some notes to RCHWRLDLNF1990 as to $C price, that it's an expanded edition of Flight of the Dragonfly, artist credits. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Canadian price and artist credits are fine, but aren't the Title-level notes for Rocheworld enough to cover the expansions? BLongley 23:25, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
Good point! Title level Notes updated so that both vts have matching notes. Ahasuerus 05:17, 18 January 2009 (UTC)


Added Gaughan's interior art to the contents of FLXLBPMDRR1974 with matching note and noted the full number line. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:54, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Anderson's Orbit Unlimited listing in Whole SF Database No. 1

Can you check to see if this record has the right publisher? I believe it should be Sidgwick & Jackson, not Secker & Warburg. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:56, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Your right! I must have used the auto-fill feature and didn't catch the mistake. Good catch.Don Erikson 20:56, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:09, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Operation: Outer Space

Added a couple of notes to PRTNTRSPCB1957 about it being a first printing and noting the initials RES or RFS on the cover. This rings no bells so didn't do more than leave a note. Anything spring to mind? ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

The Magic Goes Away

Added the essay by Sandra Miesel to the contents of THMGCGSWVN0000. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:36, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

Moudy's No Man on Earth

There's been a new pub for this title submitted that matches your verified pub, except for the author credit. Can you verify whether there's a middle initial in the author credit printed on the pub's title page? Thanks. MHHutchins 23:43, 23 January 2009 (UTC)

My fault. There is NO middle initial. Don Erikson 23:47, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Barringer's Gerfalcon

You added this second printing of the Newcastle edition of this title, but it has the same date as the first printing. Also the cover art shows the price is $3.45, which is the same as the first printing. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

AARGH! That's just careless clonifying...clonification...cloning! That's it! The date should be 1977-00-00 & the cover may or may not be the same artist, though it's a good bet, so I guess the cover image & credit should be removed because of the lack of direct information. According to OED "Cloning" is first used in 1959 in its biological sense and first used figuratively in 1974. The word clone goes all the way back to 1903.Don Erikson 00:00, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Fixed. BTW, how was the word "clone" used in 1903? Thanks. MHHutchins 00:22, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
Cloning directly from the OED:

1903 H. J. WEBBER in Science 16 Oct. 502/2 Clons..are groups of plants that are propagated by the use of any form of vegetative parts. 1905 C. L. POLLARD in Science 21 July 88/1, I therefore suggest clone (plural clones) as the correct form of the word. 1928 Times 20 July 20/3 In a tapping test of buddings now being carried out by the institute, the highest-yielding clone has latex vessels of much smaller bore than the lowest-yielding clone. 1929 Bibliographia Genetica V. 234 In Bacillus coli communis...a biotype was also found having lower motility than the remainder of the clone from which it came. 1935 Economist 26 Jan. 212/2 Namoe Tongan Rubber Estates in Sumatra..have just been planted with selected high-yielding clones. 1958 New Scientist 20 Feb. 13/1 Various techniques have been devised for producing these ‘clone cultures’ from single cells. Don Erikson 00:34, 26 January 2009 (UTC)

Piper's Fuzzy Sapiens

Can you check the ISBN printed in this pub (if you have a copy)? The record now has an invalid ISBN, and, if correct, we'll want to place a # before it to avoid the error message, with a note that the pub prints an invalid ISBN. Thanks. 17:07, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

I guess it's a bad check-sum. Appears that way on the spine and on the cover as 26192-X. Don Erikson 02:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for the verification. MHHutchins 03:19, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Behind the Walls of Terra-cover image

This. [26] . Does this cover image match your verification? [27] . Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:46, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

That is the correct coverDon Erikson 18:16, 31 January 2009 (UTC)
Added. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:36, 31 January 2009 (UTC)

Poe's Eight Tales of Terror

Do you intend to update this pub with a new date, price and printing, or was it your intention to clone it as a later printing? MHHutchins 00:01, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I intended to clone. Reject this submission and I'll redo it.Don Erikson 18:50, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

The Space Swimmers [2]

Added a cover image to THSPCSWMMR1967 ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:05, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Dark Dominion

Added a cover image to DRKDMNN1954B ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Beyond Eden

Added a cover image to BYNDEDEN1955B --Bluesman 18:44, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

The Green Odyssey

Added a cover image to TGRNODY1957 --Bluesman 21:16, 1 February 2009 (UTC)


I have approved the addition of this Canadian printing of Gateway, but I noticed that there was no ISBN or price information in the submission. Did you get the information from the copyright page of a later printing, by chance? Ahasuerus 06:47, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I know that the first Canadian printing numbers probably match the 1st US's, but I didn't want to assume being they were not printed in the same month as is usually done. I now have added a note concerning the source of the info.Don Erikson 21:35, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
Looks good, thanks! Ahasuerus 00:05, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

A Plague of Pythons

Please check the dates again on the second and third printings by Ballantine. There are two listed for October 1969. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:01, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I made note that the Oct '69 printing was actually the 2nd US printing and not the real 3rd, because it was counting the 1st Canadian as the 2nd. With the note I originally used for the Aug. '73 (3rd US) printing, it should make things clear (I hope). I also submitted a delete request for the other 10/69 entry, I hope I did it correctly.Don Erikson 19:49, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Pournelle's Escape from the Planet of the Apes

See the note in this edition. Perhaps you mean that the date is from the 5th printing's copyright page? MHHutchins 19:16, 14 February 2009 (UTC)

I realized just after I submitted this that I forgot to change it and made a note to fix it but the one of the eagle-eyed wunderkind caught it before I could get my lazy ass around to repairing my mess. I keep a list of common notes on Notepad to cut & paste and sometimes I forget.... I done fixt it good now!Don Erikson 19:57, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Invaders from Rigel

Is there a reason why you are updating a verified pub with a $0.40 price whether than creating a clone?--swfritter 00:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Because I'm a moron? Actually I meant to clone this. If you reject this I'll redo it.Don Erikson 18:22, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
Well, if morons weren't allowed I wouldn't be here either. Will reject.--swfritter 21:17, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
And to prove my point I accidentally approved it - but it is back in it's original state.--swfritter 21:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Star Wars / Star Trek and the 21st Century Christians

Is there a reason for changing this from non-fiction to chapterbook. Chapterbooks can be a little weird to edit sometimes. At 91 pages with a pb binding? this looks like it might possibly be left as non-fiction.--swfritter 00:55, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

The word count for this book is very low but being nonfiction I guess maybe it should be left unchanged.Don Erikson 18:25, 22 February 2009 (UTC)
If it weren't for the weird things that sometimes happen to Chapterbooks this would likely be a valid choice. Will reject.--swfritter 21:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC)


I added cover art to your verified pub GTWWSGJJKC1978 which matches my copy of the same edition. Kevin 05:25, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Pynchon's Crying of Lot 49

Perhaps this pub should be the third printing. Right now we have two seconds. Thanks. MHHutchins 22:43, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Fixed now.Don Erikson 16:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Piserchia's Doomtime

About a month ago, you credited H. R. Van Dongen for the interior art in Piserchia's Doomtime and Michael Whelan for the interior art in her Earthchild. I pulled out my copies earlier tonight, but I couldn't find an identifiable signature on either drawing, although there is something "signaturesque" in the left corner of the Earhchild one. Did you identify the artists based on their style, perchance? Ahasuerus 01:56, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The interior art for DOOMTIME is signed "H. R. Van Dongen" at the lower right of the image. EARTHLGHT is different kettle of fish (mmmm...cliche), it ISN'T Whelan after all but Jack Gaughan. His "JG" signature is in the lower left of the image. That's my mistake and I fixed it.Don Erikson 16:15, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 20:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

The Time Dweller

Added a cover image to THTMDWLLRS1979 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 02:06, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Approved so that Don would be able to compare it to his copy. Ahasuerus 02:13, 27 February 2009 (UTC)
It compares favorably. Don Erikson 16:26, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The Ringworld Engineers

Added a cover image to THRNGWRLDB1981 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 02:39, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

Tepper's End of the Game

I made a few changes to your submission for this publication. The publication date was changed to January 1987, the month of its selection for the SFBC. I assumed the "Forword" was a typo and changed it to "Foreword" (please change it back if that's the way it's stated in the book) and added the pub's title to the generic foreword and note to disambiguate the records. Thanks. MHHutchins 22:49, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

I would like to take a moment here to thank all moderator-trons for their thankless diligence especially in regard to reining in my particular brand of typographical & procedural buffoonery. Don Erikson 16:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
I think of it more like uncontrolled exuberance that leads to the simple mistakes (especially when I make them!) Like when your puppy pees on guests, you're hoping he'll grow out of it. Every time I make a mistake, I tell myself "You'll grow out of it." Funny thing is, I remain that bouncing puppy and continue to pee all over the place. My saving grace, as a moderator, is that I get the chance to clean it up before any other guests arrive. MHHutchins 17:22, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Janissaries III: Storms of Victory

Added a cover image to your verified BKTG13702 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 16:33, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

The Earth Lords

Added a cover image to your verified BKTG01785 that matches my copy of the same 1st edition. --MartyD 23:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

The Moment of the Magician- added cover image

Good Morning. This. [28] . I added a cover image matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:41, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Life, the Universe and Everything

Added a cover image to your verified LFTHNVRSND1982 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 01:38, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

The Other Log of Phileas Fogg

I added the foreword and some interior illustrations to your verified pub, to match my copy. Willem H. 19:32, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Times Without Number [2]

Added a cover image to [[29]] and massaged the notes a little. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:20, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

To Reign in Hell---added cover/notation

Morning. This. [30]. I added the cover and notation and crediting as per my copy match to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:08, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Doc Savage: Deadly Dwarf / Repel

I'm holding a submission adding a new pub to this title, but I can't figure out how a pub titled The Deadly Dwarf should be entered under a title record for Repel. Am I missing something? Thanks. MHHutchins 03:36, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

According to the Lester Dent page "The Deadly Dwarf" is an alternate title for "Repel". Being that there was an earlier separate printing by Bantam with this title and that the Dent page already showed it as a variant title, I went with it. Did I do it wrong?Don Erikson 19:23, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
Variants of variants cause trouble. Not only does this have a variant author it also has a variant title. I'll try to untangle it and place your submission under the correct record. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:35, 20 March 2009 (UTC)
As far as this title's concern, it's been straightened out. As for the rest of the Doc Savage titles, it looks like a tangled mess. It seems that "Kenneth Robeson" has been made a pseudonym for both Lester Dent and "Kenneth Robeson", and pseudonyms can't be broken. It's my understanding that not all of the Doc Savage titles were written by Lester Dent even though someone has given him in the author data as the legal name for the author. Those titles which we know were written by Dent will have to have variants created. All of these Kenneth Robeson titles will have to be removed from the Doc Savage series, and the Lester Dent titles will have to placed into the series (once variants have been created.) I'll do a little more work to get some of it in shape, but I don't have the time to take it on as a project (and I'm not particularly interested enough in Doc Savage to make the time.) If you want to take it on, be my guest. :) MHHutchins 00:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
I know how to break incorrect pseudonyms at title level, and even some incorrect ones at author level (just work on everything they've ever done, changing them to a temporary author till the original author goes: THEN change them back) but it's an awful pain. In the Robeson case, I'd give up. Pseudonyms of themselves are unfixable as far as I can see. Still, Al will return and fix them all someday! BLongley 22:35, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Thief of Llarn -- cover image

I added this image to your verfied THFLLR1966 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 10:30, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

At the Earth's Core -- cover image and questions

Hi. I added this image to your verified ATEC1962, matching my copy. I noticed that the entry uses Roy G. Krenkel, while the credit in the book uses Roy Krenkel, Jr. and that he's also explicitly credited for the title page drawing for which there's no INTERIORART content record. If you agree, I'm happy to do the edits -- I was thinking of adding a note about the dating anyway. I don't know how important precision of artist information is in the greater scheme of things, but I figured I'd ask about it while noticing it. What do you think? --MartyD 11:09, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

In my my opinion, the artist is not the credit or signature. The artist is the same person no matter how they sign their name or is credited. Richard Powers is credited as Richard, Dick, R. or Powers/LAZorg, but they are all the same artist so I don't see the need to be overly specific. But that's just me.Don Erikson 15:25, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


Added a cover image to [[31]]--Bluesman 18:00, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Castle Kidnapped-- added cover/notation

Afternoon. This. [32] . I added a cover image and notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Siege Perilous [2]

Added a cover image and notes to [[33]] --Bluesman 23:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The Story of the Glittering Plain

I added a cover image and price to your verified pub THSTRFTHGL1973. I also expanded the title to the full title on the title page. Thanks.--Rtrace 05:02, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Dance of the Apocalypse

Added a cover image to [[34]]--Bluesman 22:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Star-Anchored, Star-Angered

Added a cover image to [[35]]--Bluesman 02:52, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Gentleman Junkie [2]

Added a cover image and a couple of publishing notes to [[36]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:22, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Fu Manchu

Just a heads-up that you don't need to leave a "(US)" suffix on every publication title! In fact, it's not even needed at Title level - variant support has improved a lot since Al typed in a load of stuff from Clute/Nicholls. There are a lot of left-over conventions from ISFDB1 to sort out, (e.g. see all the title entries with a "^" separating two variant names) but you might as well not compound them, we're getting better. BLongley 20:40, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Book of Farmer

Added a cover image to [[37]]--Bluesman 01:53, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Hadon of Ancient Opar [2]

Added a cover image to [[38]]--Bluesman 22:08, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Also to [[39]]--Bluesman 22:12, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

The Mad God's Amulet

I added a cover image and price to your verified pub THMDGDSMLT1977.--Rtrace 03:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Wind Whales of Ishmael

Added a cover image to [[40]]--Bluesman 03:36, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

The Mad God's Amulet

I added a cover image to your verified pub DBLJPRDZBP1969.--Rtrace 04:09, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Rocheworld [2]

Added a cover image and massaged the notes for [[41]]--Bluesman 00:51, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Slaves of Sleep

I added a cover image to your verified pub SLVSFSLPFX1967.--Rtrace 02:35, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Undersea Fleet

I added a cover image to your verified pub NDRSFLTCVC1971.--Rtrace 12:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Cyber Way - added notation

Morning. This. [42]. I added the location of cover artist signature and Canada pricing in matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry, --Dragoondelight 15:10, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

The Weirdstone of Brisingamen

I added a cover image, a note, and additional contents (intro and map) to your verified pub THWRDSTNFB1978.--Rtrace 22:40, 5 April 2009 (UTC)

The Best of James Blish

I added a cover image to your verified pub THBSTFJMSB1979.--Rtrace 02:31, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Pre-approved. Ahasuerus 02:38, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Garbage World

I added a cover image to your verified pub GRBGWRLDHM1967. Thanks. --Rtrace 05:03, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Incubus by Ray Russell

I'm holding a submission updating this pub. Did you really mean to change the date to 1981 and the price to $2.25, or were you just cloning it for a new pub record? Thanks. MHHutchins 05:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

OOPS! I meant to clone. Do I need to redo it? Or can you just fiddle it in?Don Erikson 16:15, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Conan of Aquilonia

I added a cover image to your verified pub CNNFQLNJND1977. Thanks. --Rtrace 05:21, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Web of Light

There's a bad checksum on this, can you have another look please? BLongley 20:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

That is the way the ISBN appears on the cover and copyright page.Don Erikson 16:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. This is an interesting situation, as the Worldcat link works despite 0898650821 being invalid. The "correct" (according to most of the other sites) ISBN 089865162X is significantly different (but we have a pub for that too}. Some people solve the big red warning by adding a "#" in front, but as that would break a useful link I'm reluctant to do that. Normally the Bad ISBN leads nowhere and the "Good" one works everywhere, so it helps to put the "Good" one in the ISBN field and the stated one in Notes, but in this case any of our workarounds breaks something. I'll take it to general discussion. BLongley 18:57, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

"Cahrles Vess"

Slight typo on interiorart for THHRPNDTHB1982 I think? BLongley 20:43, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Yse taht is a tpyo,Don Erikson 16:45, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The Black Corridor

I added a cover image to your verified pub BLKCOR1971. Thanks. --Rtrace 21:37, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

The Meddlers--- added cover/notation.

Afternoon! This. [43] . I added a cover image and notation matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:17, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


I added a cover image to your verified pub JURGEN1964. I also expanded the title to include the subtitle and added the foreword and afterword to the contents. Thanks. --Rtrace 22:39, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

The Long Tomorrow

I added a cover image to your verified pub THLNGTMRRW1980. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)

Secondary sources

I noticed tonight a couple of submissions based on info from Abebooks, which is OK as long as it's not your only source. For instance a search on OCLC for this pub would show the year of publication was 1978 and was 271 pages. I find that OCLC to be the most reliable secondary internet source. I see that you're very good at trying to fill the gaps for missing editions, and you'll find OCLC does this better than anyone. For example The House of the Brandersons. Thanks. MHHutchins 05:40, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

From This Day Forward -- added cover image

I added this image to your verified FRMTHSDFRW1973. --MartyD 00:47, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The Queen of Zamba

I added a cover image to your verified pub MLO1904. Thanks. --Rtrace 02:19, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The Sword of the Dawn

I added a cover image to your verified pub THSWHDWN571977. Thanks. --Rtrace 03:43, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

The Three Stigmata -- cover image

I added this image to your verified THRSTGMTPE1975. --MartyD 00:26, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Saga of Lost Earths / The Star Mill

I added a cover image and updated the note for your verified pub SGFLRMLLA71979. Thanks. --Rtrace 19:48, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Exiles of the Stars---added cover image/notation

Morning. This. [44] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:23, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The Dueling Machine

I just cloned your pub of Bova's Dueling Machine. I own a copy that states it's the first Signet printing. Except for the copyright page it looks identical to yours, except it's printed in Canada. There is no list of printings in my edition. As you requested in the notes, I changed the publication date and added a note. I think you should look at (and change) the notes yourself. I also noticed that the link to the coverscan was broken. Willem H. 17:36, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Caesar Dies

I added a cover image to your verified pub CSRDSJMGVB1973. Thanks. --Rtrace 00:18, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Land of the Giants #3

Added a cover image to [[45]]--Bluesman 23:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

More Stories from the Twilight Zone

Please check the publication date for this pub. It seems a little off. MHHutchins 17:49, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Is this one you entered too? As "Nught" isn't a word I recognise and doesn't match the notes? BLongley 19:56, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Teaches me note to do this while sick (Achoo!!). I did notice that I was making many errors so I quit for now and I'll repair things when I conquer the internal bug invasion. NEVER SURRENDER! Don Erikson 15:05, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
No hurry, hope you get well soon. Hope it's not the Swine Flu people are talking about. (Although as it's apparently a strain that can infect Avians and Porcines as well as Humans, shouldn't it be Flying-Pig Flu?} BLongley 21:10, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The Eskimo Invasion--- added cover/notation

Morning! This. [46] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:59, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

The Ruins of Isis

Willem H. is putting me to shame. You had a note on this guessing the artist - you're right! But he spotted a signature that I, you, and Dragoondelight missed, if we all have the same copy? BLongley 21:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

From This Day Forward / Judas

I changed the pagenumber for the story "Judas" from 59 to 89 in this verified pub to match my copy. Willem H. 13:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Approved to clear the queue. Please speak up if it's different in your copy. Ahasuerus 14:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


I added a cover image to your verified pub RNGWRLDMTS1977. Thanks. --Rtrace 18:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Sheckley's Pilgrimage to Earth

Can you check the ISBN of this pub? Thanks. MHHutchins 17:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Just saw that it's the same pub as this pub (except for the ISBN). You may have missed it because it was incorrectly listed as from Bantam instead of Ace, which I just corrected. MHHutchins 17:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
That's exactly what happened, so I would say just cancel my addition. Don Erikson 18:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Operartion Longlife-- added cover/notation

Afternoon! This. [47] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

... and I have just approved Harry's similar changes to your verified Operation Exile. Ahasuerus 20:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Operation Exile-- added cover/notation

Afternoon again. This. [48] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

The Weird of the White Wolf

I added a cover image to your verified pub THWRTWLFBA1977. Thanks. --Rtrace 03:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Master of Hawks

I added the cover artist an a note to this verified pub. Willem H. 20:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

David Shobin's The Obsession

Check the notes for this pub. I think there may have been some copy-and-pasting remnants. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually I did the same thing on another book until I noticed and was (& did) fix it later. Don Erikson 00:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Fox's Earth

I see that you would like to enter Anne Rivers Siddons' Fox's Earth into the database, but as far as I can tell from Amazon reviews, it's not speculative fiction. We have only one other Siddons book on file, which is apparently bona fide spec fiction, but that doesn't quite make her an established SF writer, nebulous as this exalted title is. I wonder if Fox's Earth belongs here? Ahasuerus 02:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

This was laziness on my part. The cover has the look of a generic '80s horror novel, scanning the back cover copy I saw "evil", "demonic", "reign of evil", & "unholy mistress", and made an assumption. So after further review I would say to just cancel this entry and I'll take it as a lesson learned.Don Erikson 15:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Will do, thanks! Ahasuerus 17:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Silbersack's anonymously published "Science Fiction"

I've changed the authorship of this No-Frills book to "uncredited" and made a variant making John Silbersack the author, based on the notes you provided. Thanks. MHHutchins 16:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Tower of Glass (Bantam 1983)

You've submitted an edit to remove a note from Tower of Glass that states "Third Bantam printing." and replace it with one that states "Stated 1st printing as per number line." I approved it, but I notice that there are actually 2 previous Bantam versions of this title. Do you think we could add a little more information to the note, so if someone links into it they will know that this is just the first printing of this particular Bantam edition? Thanks Kevin 04:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

My mistake. I meant for it to be a 3rd printing and will change it...wait for it...NOW!Don Erikson 04:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Approved the correction. Thanks for double checking! Kevin 04:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Simak's All the Traps of Earth

After accepting your submission for a new pub of this title, I saw that there was an almost-identical verified one already in the database. The only difference is the "...and Other Stories" in the title. Just an oversight, or am I missing something? Thanks. MHHutchins 05:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean. You are right, feel free to eliminate the errant entry. Don Erikson 04:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Archiving your talk page

Have you ever considered archiving your talk page? It takes me several scrolls just to reach the bottom of your TOC. If you would like help, instructions, or to have it done for you, please just ask. Thanks - Kevin 04:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm willing to archive my page, I'll look into it...hmmm knowing my level of computer skills any assistance would be appreciated. By the way, and you probably already know this, but if you push the "End" button it will take directly to the page bottom.Don Erikson 05:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes but the [END] key is so small on this laptop. Seriously though, the reason I visit a page is usually to see if someone left you a note about changing a verified publication. What I actually want to do is cruise your TOC and when it's longer than a page or two it can get unwieldy. As to the act of archiving... just click this link User_talk:Don_Erikson/Archive_01, then click edit. Open your talk page in another window/tab. Edit the whole page. Copy then Paste from one to the other, and add a line near the top of your page to link to your archive page, which is [[User_talk:Don_Erikson/Archive_01]] Kevin 22:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Signing 'Notes'

Signing notes with your initials (DWE) may help the approver who can see your ISFDB login, but it won't help folks looking at the record weeks, moths or years later. If you feel the need to leave an opinion, or want to sign a note, I personally recommend using your ISFDB Login. Kevin 04:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll change my Notepad file were I keep all the Note sentences I use often.Don Erikson 05:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad I'm not the only person who does that. Kevin 05:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Now, I know who DWE is!. Many times I have seen that with a note with vital information. Thanks, greatly. Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Enchanted Pilgramge

I rejected your edit to Enchanted Pilgrimage because your edit would have replaced "Month of publication from SFR #49 (November 1983)" with "Stated 1st Ballantine books edition." While your addition was good, unless the publication itself states a month ofpublication, this could be bad. I will resubmit a replacement edit. If the publication states the actual month, we can remove the other line of the note. Thanks (and my apologies if I stepped on your toes... after I rejected it, i realized it very well may state the month. I'm still getting used to this Moderating thing Thanks again Kevin 04:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

It does state the month.Don Erikson 05:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! - Pub updated as you submitted (With a sheepish apologetic smile). Kevin 05:22, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Silverberg's Sunken History

The Literary Guild isn't the actual publisher of this edition. It was (is?) a book club that reprints other publisher's editions. Ordinarily the books themselves still credit the original trade publisher. In this case we would show "Chilton / BCE", and add to the notes that it was a book club edition and a selection of the Literary Guild. If it had been a selection of the Science Fiction Book Club (another Doubleday book club) we'd credit "Chilton / SFBC". Thanks. MHHutchins 18:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

OK I see. The copyright page of the paperback said just Literary Guild so I guess i should have investigated more thoroughly. So it's now changed how you suggested.Don Erikson 00:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Ruler of the World

Added a cover image to [[49]] --Bluesman 21:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The Door Into Fire

I added a cover image to your verified pub BKTG02233. Thanks. --Rtrace 05:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


I added a cover image to your verified pub DRGNSLRSSF1981. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

From This Day Forward / Judas

I changed the pagenumber for the story "Judas" from 59 to 89 in this verified pub to match my copy. Willem H. 13:43, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Approved to clear the queue. Please speak up if it's different in your copy. Ahasuerus 14:06, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


I added a cover image to your verified pub RNGWRLDMTS1977. Thanks. --Rtrace 18:35, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Sheckley's Pilgrimage to Earth

Can you check the ISBN of this pub? Thanks. MHHutchins 17:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Just saw that it's the same pub as this pub (except for the ISBN). You may have missed it because it was incorrectly listed as from Bantam instead of Ace, which I just corrected. MHHutchins 17:50, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
That's exactly what happened, so I would say just cancel my addition. Don Erikson 18:13, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Operartion Longlife-- added cover/notation

Afternoon! This. [50] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:47, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

... and I have just approved Harry's similar changes to your verified Operation Exile. Ahasuerus 20:57, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Operation Exile-- added cover/notation

Afternoon again. This. [51] . I added a cover image and notation after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

The Weird of the White Wolf

I added a cover image to your verified pub THWRTWLFBA1977. Thanks. --Rtrace 03:37, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

Master of Hawks

I added the cover artist an a note to this verified pub. Willem H. 20:01, 6 May 2009 (UTC)

Also adde this cover scan. Willem H. 15:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

David Shobin's The Obsession

Check the notes for this pub. I think there may have been some copy-and-pasting remnants. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:14, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Actually I did the same thing on another book until I noticed and was (& did) fix it later. Don Erikson 00:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Fox's Earth

I see that you would like to enter Anne Rivers Siddons' Fox's Earth into the database, but as far as I can tell from Amazon reviews, it's not speculative fiction. We have only one other Siddons book on file, which is apparently bona fide spec fiction, but that doesn't quite make her an established SF writer, nebulous as this exalted title is. I wonder if Fox's Earth belongs here? Ahasuerus 02:19, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

This was laziness on my part. The cover has the look of a generic '80s horror novel, scanning the back cover copy I saw "evil", "demonic", "reign of evil", & "unholy mistress", and made an assumption. So after further review I would say to just cancel this entry and I'll take it as a lesson learned.Don Erikson 15:00, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Will do, thanks! Ahasuerus 17:12, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Silbersack's anonymously published "Science Fiction"

I've changed the authorship of this No-Frills book to "uncredited" and made a variant making John Silbersack the author, based on the notes you provided. Thanks. MHHutchins 16:08, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Tower of Glass (Bantam 1983)

You've submitted an edit to remove a note from Tower of Glass that states "Third Bantam printing." and replace it with one that states "Stated 1st printing as per number line." I approved it, but I notice that there are actually 2 previous Bantam versions of this title. Do you think we could add a little more information to the note, so if someone links into it they will know that this is just the first printing of this particular Bantam edition? Thanks Kevin 04:38, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

My mistake. I meant for it to be a 3rd printing and will change it...wait for it...NOW!Don Erikson 04:44, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Approved the correction. Thanks for double checking! Kevin 04:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Simak's All the Traps of Earth

After accepting your submission for a new pub of this title, I saw that there was an almost-identical verified one already in the database. The only difference is the "...and Other Stories" in the title. Just an oversight, or am I missing something? Thanks. MHHutchins 05:03, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

I see what you mean. You are right, feel free to eliminate the errant entry. Don Erikson 04:51, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Archiving your talk page

Have you ever considered archiving your talk page? It takes me several scrolls just to reach the bottom of your TOC. If you would like help, instructions, or to have it done for you, please just ask. Thanks - Kevin 04:38, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm willing to archive my page, I'll look into it...hmmm knowing my level of computer skills any assistance would be appreciated. By the way, and you probably already know this, but if you push the "End" button it will take directly to the page bottom.Don Erikson 05:00, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Yes but the [END] key is so small on this laptop. Seriously though, the reason I visit a page is usually to see if someone left you a note about changing a verified publication. What I actually want to do is cruise your TOC and when it's longer than a page or two it can get unwieldy. As to the act of archiving... just click this link User_talk:Don_Erikson/Archive_01, then click edit. Open your talk page in another window/tab. Edit the whole page. Copy then Paste from one to the other, and add a line near the top of your page to link to your archive page, which is [[User_talk:Don_Erikson/Archive_01]] Kevin 22:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

I hope this works (see top of page)Don Erikson 19:40, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Looks great! - Kevin 21:39, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Signing 'Notes'

Signing notes with your initials (DWE) may help the approver who can see your ISFDB login, but it won't help folks looking at the record weeks, moths or years later. If you feel the need to leave an opinion, or want to sign a note, I personally recommend using your ISFDB Login. Kevin 04:42, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Good idea. I'll change my Notepad file were I keep all the Note sentences I use often.Don Erikson 05:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
I'm glad I'm not the only person who does that. Kevin 05:23, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Now, I know who DWE is!. Many times I have seen that with a note with vital information. Thanks, greatly. Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:07, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Enchanted Pilgramge

I rejected your edit to Enchanted Pilgrimage because your edit would have replaced "Month of publication from SFR #49 (November 1983)" with "Stated 1st Ballantine books edition." While your addition was good, unless the publication itself states a month ofpublication, this could be bad. I will resubmit a replacement edit. If the publication states the actual month, we can remove the other line of the note. Thanks (and my apologies if I stepped on your toes... after I rejected it, i realized it very well may state the month. I'm still getting used to this Moderating thing Thanks again Kevin 04:48, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

It does state the month.Don Erikson 05:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! - Pub updated as you submitted (With a sheepish apologetic smile). Kevin 05:22, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

Silverberg's Sunken History

The Literary Guild isn't the actual publisher of this edition. It was (is?) a book club that reprints other publisher's editions. Ordinarily the books themselves still credit the original trade publisher. In this case we would show "Chilton / BCE", and add to the notes that it was a book club edition and a selection of the Literary Guild. If it had been a selection of the Science Fiction Book Club (another Doubleday book club) we'd credit "Chilton / SFBC". Thanks. MHHutchins 18:06, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

OK I see. The copyright page of the paperback said just Literary Guild so I guess i should have investigated more thoroughly. So it's now changed how you suggested.Don Erikson 00:37, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Ruler of the World

Added a cover image to [[52]] --Bluesman 21:29, 18 May 2009 (UTC)

The Door Into Fire

I added a cover image to your verified pub BKTG02233. Thanks. --Rtrace 05:26, 21 May 2009 (UTC)


I added a cover image to your verified pub DRGNSLRSSF1981. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:25, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

The Others

Scanned in a cover image for [[53]] and added some notes. --Bluesman 02:26, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Blazon - cover image/start page

Morning! This. [54] . I added a cover image matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:42, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

The Comet Kings

New editor JLochhas added a note and a cover artist to your verified pub 248924. I approved it, but feel free to remove or alter it if you think it improper. -DES Talk 21:26, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Captain Future's Challenge

New editor JLochhas added a note and a cover artist to your verified pub 248927. I approved it, but feel free to remove or alter it if you think it improper. -DES Talk 21:46, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Isle of Illusion

If this is a game book[55] would it not be under nonfiction, also this author has only one title and it doesn't appear to be spec-fic. The artist is well cover here, is this the reason for its inclusion or is this more of a novel and less an rpg? Thanks!Kraang 01:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Tiger River

I added a cover image to your verified pub TGRRVRLPWC1971. Thanks. --Rtrace 05:46, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Queen Cleopatra

I added a cover image to your verified pub QNCLPTR1962. Thanks. --Rtrace 13:37, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

Beyond the Curtain of Dark

Re: this title. I accepted your "update" of the 1966 Four Square edition, thinking you probably meant to clone it. (I cloned this before accepting your update to create an identical record for the one you over-wrote.) I also accepted your submission adding the 1972 New English Library edition. Strangely, the two pubs you created have the same date, and I believe that Four Square had become NEL several years before 1972. Can you check to see if a copy of records have become conflated? Thanks. MHHutchins 03:20, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

I did mean to clone. And the Four Square should have been Pinnacle (I've fix it now). The NEL edition DOES have the same date as per copyright pages. Don Erikson 14:41, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Black Corridor

Added a Currey note, re "textual differences" to[[56]]--Bluesman 23:43, 27 May 2009 (UTC)

Editing (updating) instead of cloning

I have a submission updating this pub of Children of the Lens when I'm pretty sure you wanted to clone it instead. In the past, when you've done this, I usually just clone the original pub, before accepting your submission. (This has happened quite a few more times than I've brought to your attention.) In this case I can't do that because it's a verified pub, and the verification would carry over to your updated pub (making it the second printing), not the original (which was the first printing.) This time I'll use the information you've provided for the new pub, and then reject your submission. All I can ask is that you look at the submission screen and make sure that it states "Help on cloning..." instead of "Help on editing..." before clicking the submission button. Or start from scratch by using the "Add Publication to This Title" tool. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:35, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

All I can say, as I'm nearing my 10,000th entry, that mistakes are inevitable, and I will try even harder in the future to do better. (For example I just fixed 5 typos in that last sentence.) Is it because the Edit & Clone buttons are next to each other or is it my inherent ineptitude? (2 typos).

I vote it's me as anyone who enters here is ultimately responsible for their work. (1 typo.) I'll strive to do better. (0).Don Erikson 17:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Seven Footprints to Satan

I added a cover image to your verified pub SVNFTPRNTS1971. Thanks. --Rtrace 02:40, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Merlin's Ring

I added a cover image to your verified pub MRLNSRNGCT1974. I also added the introduction and the maps to the contents. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:44, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Skylark of Valeron

Please recheck your notes on the various printings of Skylark of Valeron you submitted today. You left comments about the 1-3 & 4th covers being Jack Gaughan while inserting a database credit to Emsh. You may want to clarify that the publication has information crediting the earlier editions/printings to Gaughan, or remove the note if I am misunderstanding what is going on here. Thanks Kevin 17:58, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I approved your updates regarding the notes explanation. I understand now that 1st printing credited Emsh, while the 3rd and 4th printings credited Gaughan. In cases like this, I would usually seek a tie breaker bit of information or a comparison of styles before making an actual attribution. My reasoning is that it's just as likely that a copy editor made a mistake (incorrectly crediting Emsh) which was later corrected, as opposed to a later copy editor making a mistake and crediting Gaughan, which was copied again to the 4th. Is there any signature credit visible? or is there any other source that discusses this misattribution and sets the record straight? We may want to credit all 4 covers to both artists, and then explain in the notes of each pub the confusion and that no definitive answer is at hand. (This may likely prompt someone to point out an article somewhere which sets the record straight). - Thoughts? Kevin 22:32, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
After finding more printings shelved out of order I realized a totally screwed up with this cover artist problem. In the end the only mistake by the publisher was that they misattributed Gaughan as EMSH of the back cover of the 3rd printing. (I can't say what's on the 2nd printing.) So this was totally my fault & I'll fix it.Don Erikson 15:00, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Not a problem. Mistakes mean we can learn and are human, as opposed to software which will never get better on it's own. Kevin 16:19, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Skylark Three SKLRKTHR1966

I rejected your proposed update to Skylark Three which proposed to replace the text "Stated 1st printing." with "Stated 3rd printing." as it appears to be an intention to clone the pub record, not update it. Also, was the third printing of that edition dated the same month as the first printing? I leave the re-entry of a clone to you. Thanks Kevin 22:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I'll take care of it.Don Erikson 15:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
After checking the book the edit I just did id now correct, as I entered the wrong printing number when I first entered this printing. So as usual it's my mistake.Don Erikson 15:14, 31 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. BTW I have submitted a few change requests to the software to better help editors (like you and like me) spot our typo's and unintended consequences. Hopefully once we can all see the red/green comparison (Like you see after submitting an author edit) we will be able to fix our own mistakes. I know that was one of the most frustrating things about waiting for someone else to review my submissions. Kevin 16:23, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Vanishing Tower

Added a cover image and a couple of notes to [[57]] --Bluesman 19:26, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Added a cover image and a Currey note to [[58]]--Bluesman 20:10, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Prince of Scorpio--- added notation

Morning! This. [59] . I added notation matching my copy and the omnibus to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

My 10,000th edit!

I think. If I did my math right. It's six toes on each foot right? Don Erikson 17:52, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

Yep, you did it. I just approved your 10,000th. Congratulations! MHHutchins 18:05, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
Welcome to the club! I wouldn't rest for too long though, Bluesman is 34 ahead of you. BLongley 18:08, 1 June 2009 (UTC)
BTW, 10,000 decimal is 10011100010000 binary, so I think you need seven toes per foot to represent it. ;-) BLongley 18:12, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

I - - Alien

I think I have the same abomination as you so uploaded a cover scan. I'm not sure that it's really "I, Alien" - I know it says that on the copyright page, but title page, cover, spine, introduction and every single page heading seems to suggest "I - - Alien" or at least "I--Alien" instead. Also, should this just be "Ace" (as the distributor.)? "Tempo Star" seems a bit more detailed. BLongley 21:29, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


I added a cover image to your verified pub CYRION5C1982. Thanks. --Rtrace 13:22, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Ballard's The Crystal World

Added cover image to your verified pub of this title. MHHutchins 00:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

Garbage World

I've linked a better cover image to your verified copy of this title. Could you check to see if the publisher is stated as "Berkley Books" or "Berkley Medallion" on the pub's title page? Thanks. MHHutchins 05:17, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

It is Berkley Medallion.Don Erikson 16:46, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Get Off My World

Added a cover image to [[60]]--Bluesman 03:00, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Puzzle of Space Pyramids

Added a cover image and the contents as listed by Contento to the notes of [[61]]--Bluesman 04:09, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and Other Stories

I see that you would like to add Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and Other Stories as another Publication for the Strange Case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde Title. Wouldn't you want to add it to a Collection Title instead, though? For example, there is a 1980 title, Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde and Other Stories already on file, although its only publication seems to have a wrong cover. Ahasuerus 05:15, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

I thought I did it as a collection, I'll fix it when I add the contents.Don Erikson 15:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
It's now ready for Contents-mongering :-) Ahasuerus 01:26, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Knave of Dreams

Can you double-check the ISBN of this printing of the title? Your submission changing the ISBN made it an invalid number. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:19, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

That ISBN is how it appears on the book.Don Erikson 15:25, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll make a note about the invalid ISBN. MHHutchins 16:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I thought that as per Rules and standards discussions#Dealing with Bad ISBNs the working ISBN (when one can be derived, as it can in this case) should go into the DB field, and the stated but invalid ISBN should go into the notes. -DES Talk 16:19, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
That was a discussion about changing the policy (or creating a new one), which currently, by default, is to record the ISBN as stated in the book. I believe the notes I added to the pub deals with the situation to the best of the database's ability. The pub is linked to OCLC through the notes, and anyone wanting to get info from Amazon or abebooks have a "working" ISBN. The record is also searchable by ISBN, even with the "#" before it. If we change the ISBN to the "working" number, what's to keep another editor from creating another record because this record doesn't match his copy of the book-in-hand? MHHutchins 17:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Find Your Fate Adventure #1 Indiana Jones

Don, I found a cover image[62] and the name appears as R. L. Stine. Is Jovian Bob Stine on the title page or the copyright page[63]? Thanks!Kraang 00:14, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

AARGH!! I did it again. A group of similar books shelved next to each other, each by an author with the same last name but this time by three different authors. (Jovial Bob, R.L. & H. William) I'll go back and fix 'em. BTW I have a book by Jovial Bob Stine titled 101 CREEPY CREATURE JOKES from Scholastic. Is this a book eligible for entry? And if so under what category? Collection? Nonfiction?Don Erikson 15:23, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
I found the series it belonged to and merged it with a later printing[64] and "101 CREEPY CREATURE JOKES" belongs in some data base just not this one :-) Thank!Kraang 02:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Gentlemen of the Road -- ISBN Checksum

Your recently submitted 291242 has an ISBN that does not pass the checksum test. You submitted 0345502070, please check if this is what the publication shows. Amazon shows 0345502078 for the Sept 2008 edition, and 073949631X for the 2007 Edition, which it credits to Ballentine. shows 0345502078 and 0345501748. -DES Talk 22:57, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think I've ever entered a book that only uses the 13 number ISBN & didn't notice that this book doesn't even have a 10 number one. It appears on the copyright page & the back cover this way. The 13# ISBN shown generated by the 10# I entered though is correct as to what is on the book.

Using Mark's Check Number Generator the check # should be 9, looks like a typo somewhere on their part.Don Erikson 23:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Sightblinder's Story -- nongenre?

You entered Sightblinder's Story as non-genre. But this record records it as a genre novel. I haven't read this, so i don't know whether thi is a genre novel or not, but we shouldn't have two title records of different types for the same text. Also, the other novels in THLSTSWRDS0000 need to be merged. -DES Talk 23:05, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

It was a slip of the cursor, it is not a nongenre but a novel. The titles are as the appear on the title page. They appeared in book form as having the lead in "THE (FIRST or SECOND or THIRD) BOOK OF LOST SWORDS:" and then the novels title. They seems to have been published by Orbit without the lead in part of the title. As to merging, I have never merged before (well not here anyway, nudge-nudge-wink-wink) I'll look into how.Don Erikson 23:46, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
I suspected that, but wasn't sure. See Help:How to merge titles for more on merging. For every editor there comes his first merge Buuu ha ha..... :) 23:55, 9 June 2009 (UTC)~~

Cold Chills

Added a cover image to [[65]]--Bluesman 00:03, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


Added a cover image to [[66]]--Bluesman 00:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)


I've added a cover image to your verified pub. MHHutchins 03:12, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Lair of the White Worm and Variant Title 'Garden of Evil'

I am going to reject your submission to add a publication of Garden of Evil as a publication of Lair of the White Worm. While some folks already have put some versions of 'Garden' under the 'Lair' title, it actually should be entered under the Variant 'Garden' Title. I am going to clean up those other entries, and I've pasted your submitted information below so you can reuse it. Just go to Garden of Evil and use the "Add Publication to this Title" link on that page. If you need more info on variant titles (How, When, Where, etc), just ask and I will dig up the proper help links, and convert it into real world examples for you. -

Column 	Proposed Values
Title   The Garden of Evil
Authors 	Bram Stoker
Tag 	-
Year 	1969-02-00
Publisher 	Paperback Library
Pages 	220
Binding 	pb
PubType 	NOVEL
Isbn 	#63-790
Price 	$0.60
Artists 	-
Image 	-
Note 	Stated 2nd printing. Originally titled THE LAIR OF THE WHITE WORM.
OCLC: 2480528
OCLC states that this was labeled "A paperback library gothic" apparently a publisher series. 

Thanks - Kevin 18:24, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Done & done.Don Erikson 19:27, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
And Submission accepted. Thanks! Kevin 19:34, 13 June 2009 (UTC)
FYI I created the variant title record earlier today, and have added several pubs to the main title. i was going to unmerge the "Garden" pubs and put them under the variant, i see you got to it first. -DES Talk 19:40, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Aliens 4 by Sturgeon

This cover art for pub was verified by Bluesman as unidentified with no visible signature. Do you have a source or can you give him the location of the artist's signature? Thanks. MHHutchins 21:23, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I left a note for Blueman the I confirmed the credit from a Spanish web site with a gallery of Spanish artists. It is here;

Don Erikson 01:21, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm unable to find any note that you left on Bluesman's talk page, but I'll accept the edit based on your source. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:28, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Watership Down

I added a cover image to your verified pub WTRSHPDWNX1975. Thanks. --Rtrace 11:57, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Horses' Asteroid

Scanned in a cover image for [this] and added notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

The Demons of Sandorra

In your recent edit to The Demons of Sandorra, why did you remove the note "Data from OCLC record 7419071". Even if you have now checked the data against the book itself, this pub has no ISBN and so the automatic navbar link to the worldcat record will not be av bailable, therefor the OCLC record number is stile IMO valuable, even if the note were changed to simply "OCLC 7419071. No printing or edition stated." or something of the sort.

I have placed the submission on hold pending your response. -DES Talk 16:41, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

At the time I thought the OCLC number to be redundant as I was editing from a copy of the book, but later changed my mind thinking there can't be too much information. Just cancel this edit and I'll redo it.Don Erikson 17:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Ok will do. Thanks. -DES Talk 19:57, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Edit rejected. Replacement edit approved -DES Talk 20:15, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The Cleft

In your edit to The Cleft (as in the item above) you removed the note "Series "Pyramid science fiction". Data from OCLC record 7419119". Again I think the OCLC record number is worth retaining. Whether the rest of the note has current value I'm not sure.

I have the submission on hold. -DES Talk 16:45, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

As above, I'll redo it and leave the OCLC#, but the note "Series "Pyramid science fiction" I felt was inaccurate as there is no specific "series" from Pyramid and that what is on the cover "PYRAMID SCIENCE FICTION" next to the catalog number and price is only the publishers name and the genre of the book. The book THE TORTURE MACHINE has "A PYRAMID THRILLER" in the same spot on its cover.Don Erikson 17:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
I have no problem with you deleting the "series" if you worked from the book and feel it is inaccurate. I will, as you request, reject this submisison and approve the replacement submisison.. -DES Talk 19:59, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Inital edit rejected. -DES Talk 20:16, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The Doomsday Brain

You entered a record for The Doomsday Brain in which you included the note "Stated 1st printing. Nongenre". Is there a reason not to use the NONGENRE type? (You entered it as a NOVEL type, which normally means a genre novel.) Or was this something you were planning to change in a later edit?

I have the submission on hold. -DES Talk 16:51, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

On a similar note. I approved the addition of The Torture Machine. It has a similar 'nongenre' note. Please change the record to Nongenre, or remove the note. I will leave the correction to you as you see fit. - Thanks Kevin 17:44, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Yes the reason is simple; I'm simple! I simply forgot how. But now the scales have fallen from my eyes (where's that damn broom) and now eye see. I will redo both of these correctly as I hath learnt mine lesson.Don Erikson 17:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Me again. There is the problem of not being able to make a "New Novel" a nongenre without it first being accepted. Or am I totally wrong?Don Erikson 17:51, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
You are correct. There is no way to enter a non-gnere in a single step. it must be approved as some other type -- novel is as good as any -- and changed. I should have realized what you were doing. I will approve your original submisison on this. -DES Talk 20:01, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Initial edit of The Doomsday Brain approved. Edit of The Torture Machine to NONGENRE type approved. -DES Talk 20:18, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
WOW! I don't think I ever realized you couldn't directly enter a Non-genre novel by changing the drop down choice (or if I did it escaped me). Would you like the honors Don of submitting the Feature Request? I think it's valid and would support it. Thanks Kevin 00:49, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
I know what he was doing and why. :-) Live and learn. :-)Kraang 02:12, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
"Add New Nongenre" (and after r2009-05, "Add New Chapterbook") could be added to the menu and Kev is already working in those areas of coding - I wouldn't make them too easy myself though. So if we enabled a change to NONGENRE before a new NOVEL was submitted, it might help without encouraging such. Again, this is a balance between "exploiting a loophole" and "making things easy when you know what you're doing". But the loophole currently exists for Chapterbooks and might be enabled usefully for non-genre novels too. BLongley 21:27, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

The Godsend - Clone or Edit

I rejected your edit of 'The Godsend' published by Avon. Your edit would have erased the current record of a $1.95 copy with ISBN: 0380320290. Abebooks confirms this ISBN and price point as existing. (See the cover scan). I copied the submission info below for you to re-use to submit a clone, instead of an edit.

Title 	The Godsend 	-
Authors 	Bernard Taylor 	-
Tag 	THGDSNDSLK1977 	-
Year 	1977-03-00 	-
Publisher 	Avon 	-
Pages 	223 	-
Binding 	pb 	-
PubType 	NOVEL 	-
Isbn 	0380320290 	0380009439
Price 	$1.95 	$1.75
Artists 	- 	-
Image 	- 	-
Note 	- 	Stated 1st Avon printing. Catalog #32029

I leave the resubmission to you. Thanks Kevin 17:50, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I will resubmit to your every whim.Don Erikson 17:22, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Resubmission approved - or some edit for this title anyway. -DES Talk 20:20, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Sweetheart, Sweetheart

You submitted an edit to Sweetheart, Sweetheart changing the date from 1992-00-00 to 1992-01-00; changing the price from $3.99 to $4.50; and adding the note "Assumed 1st printing." However, Lotus lists a publication of this at $3.99 which was received in December 1991. Is it possible that there was a printing at $3.99, followed by a prince increase shortly afterwards? If so your copy would be a 2nd printing, and should be an additional publication.

I have the submission on hold, pending your response. -DES Talk 17:59, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I should have just trusted my instincts and clone instead of edited. I will redo it.Don Erikson 17:28, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Thank you -- I hope I haven't been too much of a nuisance. Hate to query so many items in such a short time. I will reject this and let you do the clone, which should be approved promptly. -DES Talk 20:03, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Initial edit rejected, clone approved. -DES Talk 20:21, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Stardust and Shadows -- ISBN

I approved your submission of Stardust and Shadows. However, the ISBN field holds "-55817639X" which looks almost like a ISBN. ISBNDB.COM shows "155817639X" as being a valid ISBN for this title. Was that the ISBN you had in mind? -DES Talk 18:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

"One so rarely see ones beginning ISBNs that this one I done missed completely, even though the typo of using a "-" instead of a "0" is my usual typo which I usually catch. I fixed it now.Don Erikson 17:33, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
Really? I thought 1s were pretty common although not as common as 0s. Anyway, thanks for the fix. -DES Talk 20:04, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Teg's 1994

In editing 283526 you changed the note "Data from UC Riverside. OCLC 2950782." to "Stated 1st printing". I assume you are working from a copy of the book, and so "Data from UC Riverside." is obsolete, But why remove "OCLC 2950782"? Granted it is no longer as vital, but I think it is worthwhile. -DES Talk 20:50, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

That was a mistake on my part, I now try to leave all OCLC numbers.Don Erikson 16:32, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
Very well, I approved the edit, adn aded the OCLC number back in. Thanks. -DES Talk 16:37, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

The Alien Way

I added a cover image to your verified pub THLNWNMKXL1982. Thanks. --Rtrace 19:35, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

As Evil Does

Can you check the ISBN for this pub? It comes up as an invalid ISBN. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:01, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. It was a typo by me the second 0 should have been a 9. I've repaired the damage.Don Erikson 21:10, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

J. R. R. Tolkien's "The Lord of the Rings"

"A Fotonovel of Ralph Bakshi's animated film THE LORD OF THE RINGS." Isn't this getting perilously close to Graphic Novel territory? Are you sure this should be IN? -DES Talk 05:06, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Other "Fotonovels" have been included, by other publishers too. Off the top of my head: INVASION OF THE BODYSNAYCHERS; BATTLESTAR GALLACTICA; HEAVEN CAN WAIT & and several STAR TREK ones. Stills from an animated movie do have the appearance of a comic but do not have the graphic...umm...vocabulary of a comic. Don Erikson 17:55, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
This seems to be in already, with "over 130 pictures from the movie" according to Amazon. BLongley 18:15, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
Fine I'll approve it. -DES Talk 20:03, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Camber the Heretic

I made significant upgrades to the contents and notes of your verified pub Camber the Heretic - Sorry it was the only copy I owned. This is a work in progress to identify and merge appendixes across the various Deryni publications I own. Comments welcome. I'm going to go through the original Deryni Series tomorrow and try to match up some more, etc. Cheers - Kevin 06:13, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Conan of Aquilonia

Added a much clearer image to [this] plus the Roman Numerated pages from OCLC, which also mentions a map, but not what page/title etc. Perhaps you could add that to the contents? Thanks. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:06, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

I have added the map.Don Erikson 18:11, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Children of the Atom

This SFBC edition was actually the March 1981 selection of the book club. Gutter codes "L" were used in both 1970 and 1981. I was able to verify the date in Locus #243 (April 1981) who also gives the price as $3.50. You can use this info to update the record, or if you prefer, I could. It also appears to be an original publication (not a trade reprint), so the publisher would have been Nelson Doubleday. If you have a copy can you double-check how the publisher is credited? Thanks. MHHutchins 19:42, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I did as you suggested add credit Locus for info.Don Erikson 18:12, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

BCE of Clarke's 2010: Odyssey Two

Can you see if the pub you've submitted a new record for matches this record? Also when you get a chance take a look at these guidelines for entering SFBC editions. The ISBN on your submission is for the trade edition. Sometimes the book club will reprint the copyright page of the trade edition without removing the ISBN, but we use the SFBC catalog number (on the back of the dustjacket) as the ID, not the trade ISBN. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:41, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

They are not the same. My copy has no number of any kind on the jacket, inside or out. On closer inspection there is a square indentation on the back, so maybe this is an edition from a different book club.Don Erikson 17:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Oh yes, that must be a Book-of-the-Month Club edition. Locus1 doesn't note it in their listings. Thanks for the clarification. MHHutchins
I've accepted the submission, but changed the "Book Club" tag to "BOMC". I also moved the ISBN to the notes. Forget what I said about Locus1, which only starts in 1984. So this 1982 publication wouldn't be listed anyway. I'll pull out my hard copies of Locus and see if I can find a listing for it so that we can narrow down the date and get a price. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:28, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
Locus had no listings for a BOMC edition (I checked issues from the month of the hardcover, October 1982, until the paperback was issued in February 1984.) There is a listing for a trade paperback reprint from QPBC, who are owned by the BOMC. So they must have missed this hardcover reprint by the BOMC. We'll have to leave the date and price fields blank for now. MHHutchins 18:42, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

SFBC edition of Lord Foul's Bane

Thanks for adding this edition of the title. I had added a previous record as a placeholder, not realizing that this first printing had a different catalog number than the later printings. I also added the price from the club announcement flyer. If you've got a copy of this hold onto it. It's pretty valuable as far as book club editions go. MHHutchins 19:00, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

I just added the cover image to the record. MHHutchins 19:04, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Really? I think I have that edition. How valuable? -DES Talk 22:40, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
Copies on ABE range from $25 to $96.Don Erikson 17:50, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The Dragon Waiting

I added the cover artist and a note to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 09:18, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

The Fellowship of the Ring

You have entered data fro a LOT of different printings of The Fellowship of the Ring. Do you actually have copies of all these different printings? If not, what is your source? None of the edits seemed to have any source notes. -DES Talk 17:10, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Boy am I glad you asked! Because I made a couple of real bone-head mistakes. If you just cancel everything I've done up to this time today I'll fix things. BTW I do own more than a dozen copies of them. Then I realized I was not attributing the dates of editions I was inputting from a later printing. And then I realized I screwed some pub numbers & was making a few unsupported assumptions. So just cancel this mornings debacle and I'll start over.Don Erikson 17:36, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
As Requested - All Edits from 11:50 to 12:20 Server Time have been rejected. Kevin 17:53, 5 July 2009 (UTC)


Bluesman has updated your verified pub Legacy with artwork and several notes. FYI. Kevin 00:29, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

The Crash of '79

When you get a chance, could you please double check whether your verified Pocket Books edition of The Crash of '79 is a first printing? Thanks! Ahasuerus 02:04, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I doesn't specifically state a printing. It says "POCKET BOOKS edition published November, 1977" with no other indications of previous Pocket printings, so I would assume it is the 1st.Don Erikson 18:48, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, Notes updated. Ahasuerus 18:53, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Multiples of The Fellowship of the Ring

I just accepted your new submissions but noticed that there are now two records for each of the 3rd-5th printings of this title. I'm holding the submission adding another record for the 7th printing. Thanks. MHHutchins 17:27, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

I have entered a "Delete this pub" request for these earlier and less complete entries. The latest entry for the 7th printing should replace the one I did yesterday. I now plot these multiprintings on paper first instead doing them on the fly (because fly are so small).Don Erikson 18:03, 6 July 2009 (UTC)
I'll accept the new 7th and delete the old one. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:11, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Horses' Asteroid

I added an additional story (Many Dreams Of Earth on page 120) and a note to this verified pub to match my copy. Thanks Willem H. 15:46, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Also, "Horses' Asteroid" was originally published under a different title. Made "Horses' Asteroid" the canonical title since the collection also has that title.--swfritter 16:23, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The Two Towers - Edit not Clone

I kicked back the below submitted edit. It appears to be a clone, but was in the queue as an Edit. I leave it for you to re-enter the data. Thanks Kevin 03:43, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Title 	The Two Towers 	-
Authors 	J. R. R. Tolkien 	-
Tag 	THTWTWRSTJ1966 	-
Year 	1966-09-00 	1971-08-00
Publisher 	Ballantine 	-
Pages 	447 	-
Binding 	pb 	-
PubType 	NOVEL 	-
Isbn 	#U7041 	#01534
Price 	$0.95 	-
Artists 	Barbara Remington 	-
Image 	-
Note 	Stated 6th printing. First authorized paperback edition 	Stated 29th printing. First authorized paperback edition. Except for the number & price this cover image is the same as shown.
I have redone this. I still seem to be having problems with these 2 buttons being next to each other (I mean I'm the one having problems). I'm not 100% convinced though that sometimes Edit page comes up when I click Clone it's my fault, being it has happened again. Could be my browser or could be I'm a total idiot (are those the only 2 choices?) Maybe different background colors or...something would help.Don Erikson 19:21, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
I thought the recent navbar changes were to include moving these teo links apart, to avoid this problem. I can say that the precise placement of the mouse point when the link is clicked matters. -DES Talk 19:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)
You may be right DES, but it slipped my mind when I was putting together the final collection of edits. Kevin 00:20, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
Ok. Here's what happened this morning. I went to clone an entry I made yesterday and carefully clicked "clone" but I had yet to log on, I went through those steps and when done I arrived at an "edit" window. Going back to the original listing both the "Edit" & "Clone" buttons were highlighted as pushed though I had only pushed "Clone". Maybe this the only set of circumstances this bug comes up, but I swear I'm not crazy. Well at least not about this.Don Erikson 17:22, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

SFBC editions of Countdown by Slaughter and Childhood's End by Clarke

This pub was not a selection of the SFBC, but was probably a selection for another Doubleday book club. In these cases, we usually add " / BCE" to the publisher's name indicating a book club edition. Also, your updating of this edition of Clarke's Childhood End leads me to think this is a phantom edition. All of my sources give the first book club edition as May 1970 (this edition). The "K36" gutter code would most likely indicate a printing in 1980. Thanks. MHHutchins 06:57, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed the SFBC to BCE like you recommended. As to the Clarke, the gutter code (K36) could also mean it was printed Sept. or Nov. of 1969. The cover design would look a little retro for a 1980 printing but who knows. I'll leave a note and change the date to 00-00-00.Don Erikson 14:56, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
The SFBC would occasionally reissue an edition with a new catalog number and cover, but not often. If your copy has this cover and has a catalog number 2266, it's probably the same edition, just a later printing. In 1969, their catalog numbering was 1600-2100; 1970 had numbers 2100-2600. I'd bet money that this is the same edition as this. MHHutchins 16:08, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
Where the number is can identify it as well. If yours is on the back cover it is most definitely not a '69 printing as the numbers weren't moved to the outside until the late 70's. In fact. I would like to know where your # is, to help narrow down the date range for the move. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:16, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Search for Spock

Scanned in a cover image for [this] --Bluesman 02:46, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The Book of Philip José Farmer

I added Farmer's essay Thanks for the Feast to The Book of Philip José Farmer to match my copy. Thanks Willem H. 12:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

The Dragon at War -- cover image

I added this image to your verified The Dragon at War. --MartyD 10:47, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Effinger's Planet of the Apes 1-3

Just an FYI that I have updated your verified Award editions of these three Titles with minor details about the copyright page. I have also entered additional information about the teleplays that each novel is based on to the Title records. Ahasuerus 19:35, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Also added notes to your verified edition of Bunduki. Ahasuerus 19:42, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Rally Cry

I have added the Canadian price and a few other minor tidbits to your verified first printing of William R. Forstchen's Rally Cry. In addition, I have added the following comment to the Publication record and to the Title record:

According to the Locus Index, at least the third and possibly other printings changed the title from "Rally Cry" to "Rally Cry!", but there is no exclamation point in the first printing.

I have created a Variant Title for "Rally Cry!" and moved later printings there. Hope this matches your data! Ahasuerus 17:39, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

P.S. Also added notes about the number line and the Canadian price to Union Forever and Terrible Swift Sword and removed from "The Lost Regiment #2/3:"from the titles as per our recent practice of removing series information from publication titles. Ahasuerus 17:56, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The House That Stood Still

I approved your edit of The House That Stood Still , which changed the cat no "#83185-8" to an ISBN: "0-671-83185-8". However, when displayed, this ISBN fails to pass the checksum validation. If this is the actual ISBN that appears on the book, we should make a note that it was printed with an invalid ISBN, I think. If it was a data entry error, of course it should be corrected. If the ISBN was derived from the cat number or another secondary source, then either a note about the source should be entered, or perhaps a reversion to the cat number, since an invalid derived ISBN is not of much use. Please check what is actually on the pub, if you would be so kind. -DES Talk 20:04, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

It WAS an entry error and it has been corrected.Don Erikson 14:54, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
Correction approved. -DES Talk 16:19, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Assignment in Eternity

I Updated your pub Assignment in Eternity (Signet $0.25 Edition) with "First Printing, November, 1954" in the notes. Thanks Kevin 22:01, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

Book of PKD

Added some notes to [this], all from Currey, who notes the existence of ten lines of "First through Tenth" as being on the copyright page. Is this true? Is so, could you remove the quote marks and Currey's name from the note? Also a note to Marc Kupper's page would be appreciated as he is doing a rather exhaustive DAW research and this copyright page printing designation was quite rare in the DAWS. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:58, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

I checked the book. Curry's right, so I submitted the removal of the quote marks and Currey's name from the note. Thanks Willem H. 14:56, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Take My Face by "Peter Held"

I accepted your submission for this new pub, but it was entered under the wrong title record. At the moment it's under this title, and it should be under this one, a variant as by "Peter Held". When entering pubs using the "Add Publication to This Title" function, the system will automatically fill the title and author field. If those do not match the book you're entering, back out and use the "Add New Novel" function. If there's a variant already established you can click on it's title which is listed on the parent's title record, then choose "Add Publication to This Title". In order to correct the mistakenly-linked title record for this pub, you'll have to 1) unmerge it from Take My Face by Vance, 2) change it's title record's author to "Peter Held", and 3) then merge this newly created title record with the existing Take My Face by Held title record. This is done by 1) using either the Advanced Search using the field and author fields, or 2) going to Peter Held's summary page, clicking on "Show All Titles", and then merge the two records. As you can see this is a multi-step submission process. If you feel comfortable enough in attempting go ahead and I'll check over the submissions. Or say the word, and I can do it myself. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:27, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

The publication was merged with the existing variant record and is now under the correct title record. MHHutchins 14:07, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Escape to Tomorrow

Added a cover image to [this]. ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:00, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

And to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:33, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

And to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:44, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

And to [this]. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:50, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

Over the Edge

Added an image and artist credit (from OCLC) to[this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:30, 10 August 2009 (UTC)


Hi Don - I'm holding your proposed price change for the verified Jailbird from $3.50 to $3.25 so that the verifying editor can take a look and comment. I see that the cover image says $3.25 but sometimes people use the cover from another edition. --Marc Kupper|talk 16:54, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Hey, Don! Mike dropped me a note on this. Is your copy printed in the US? Mine is printed in Canada, which likely explains the different prices. If so, then create a new record and I'll change mine to add "C" to the price. When I look very closely, the "50" part of the price on my cover is slightly askew, likewise on the spine. ~BIll, --Bluesman 17:04, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
Bump as this is still held on the queue. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:07, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
Don - I rejected your update as Bill had double checked his copy of the 1st printing and he has $3.50. His copy is printed in Canada. The odds are you have a USA edition meaning you'd clone, note the new price, and in this case that it's the USA edition. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:56, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
You were correct in rejecting this, it should have been a clone & was a USA 1st printing. I'll will redo it. And sorry for the delay.Don Erikson 05:44, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Wagner's Echoes of an Ancient Love

Can you check the ISBN on this pub again? It came up as an invalid number. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

It was a typo & I done fixed it real good!Don Erikson 23:08, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Body Snatchers

Added a cover image to [this] --Bluesman 22:56, 12 August 2009 (UTC)


Added a cover image to [this]--Bluesman 21:03, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Nightside City

Your proposed new pub looks like BKTG19351 unless maybe yours was not "printed in canada". I have your submission on hold, pending your response. -DES Talk 19:45, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know what I did wrong, maybe...umm...I guess just cancel this & I'll redo.Don Erikson 15:08, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Trek Lives

Scanned in an image and added notes for [this] ~BIll, --Bluesman 22:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Where do we go from here?

Scanned in an image for [this], added notes and all of the essays to the contents. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

From This Day Forward

Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes (identified the interior art by signature) for [this]. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:21, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Sea is Boiling Hot

Added a couple of notes and a new image to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:06, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Cain's Touch

Can you re-check the ISBN for this pub? It comes up as invalid. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:20, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

My fault, the ISBN on the spine is hard to read, should have been carefuller.Don Erikson 01:42, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
Oh & I fixed it. Some much for being carefuller.Don Erikson 01:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The Ka of Gifford Hillary

I have deleted the 1964 Arrow edition of The Ka of Gifford Hillary as per your request. Here is the data that you originally submitted in case you want to use it to create another submission:

Title 	The Ka of Gifford Hillary
Year 	1964-00-00
Publisher 	Arrow
Pages 	352
Binding 	pb
PubType 	NOVEL
Isbn 	#543
Price 	3/6
Image 	-
Note 	Stated 4th printing.
Authors 	Dennis Wheatley 

Thanks! Ahasuerus 15:56, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Captives in Space

Found a cover for this. BLongley 15:11, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Out from Ganymede

In verifying my copy of this collection I found two stories that didn't match. 1. "Still-Life" is attributed to K. M. O'Donnell, but the pseudonym isn't mentioned in the book. 2. "Yearbook" is stated to be "The Yearbook", but should be "Yearbook". Can you check your copy please? Thanks Willem H. 20:21, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

The story "Still-Life" is attributed to K. M. O'Donnell only in the credits and no where else, and the other story is just "Yearbook" as you thought.Don Erikson 19:45, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Submitted the neccesary changes. Thanks, Willem H. 09:49, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I, Martha Adams

I approved the update to I, Martha Adams where you changed the price from $3.50 to $3.95. Could you check to see if you have a Canadian printing? I'm trying to track down a reasonable explanation for the $3.50 price as you have a 1st printing. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:30, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

It say printed in the USA & it's a 1st printing. Could it be a 2nd printing where they didn't change the copyright page?Don Erikson 17:48, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Not sure - I tweaked the note I'd added to the publication record and for now $3.50 is one of those great unsolved mysteries. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:16, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Sorry to butt in; Locus has it as $3.50. --MartyD 21:39, 30 May 2010 (UTC)
Perfect - I updated the publication note. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:38, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

R Is for Rocket

Hi Don - You have verified R Is for Rocket as the 14th printing.

Could you please take a look and let me know what the dates of the 9th, 10th, and 12th printing are? I have a copy of the 10th that has dates for up to the 8th printing. I'm constructing a table here to sort out the printings. Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:57, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Oddly enough, back when I was between computers I started a the same sort of list of Bantam Bradburys, I was waiting to finish my first run thru my books to finish it. From my list: 9th=9/70; 10th=5/71; 12th=11/72. Here's some info on The Martian Chronicles: 13th=3/67=H3243; 14th=8/67=H3243; 15th=12/67=#?; 22nd=10/69=#?; 23rd=7/70=#N5613 --- I just discovered that there's a problem with the rest so instead of giving you questionable info I'll stop here.Don Erikson 18:09, 13 September 2009 (UTC)
Thank you Don. I updated the printing history tables at Author:Ray Bradbury. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:19, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

The Fellowship of the Talisman - added cover/start page

Morning! This. [67]. I added a cover image, [68], and start page after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:35, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


You want to update this - can you please check the number of "h"s in the last word? BLongley 19:23, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

It is one "h" only. I didn't notice.Don Erikson 15:23, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
I'll take that as "2, not 3". ;-) Approved. BLongley 20:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Snakeskion Road

This might be "Snakeskin Road"? BLongley 21:41, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Could be. Maybe. Possibly. It is. I fixed it. Now I need to fix myself.Don Erikson 15:20, 14 September 2009 (UTC)
If only it were that easy. :-( I don't seem to have come with a maintenance manual myself, although several doctors have told me what it should have said. Unfortunately, replacement parts seem to be hard to come by now, I'll have to settle for having a few screws loose. BLongley 20:35, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Nightside City by Lawrence Watt-Evans

I have been holding an edit of yours submitting a new pub of Nightside City for some time. I thought I had posted about this on your talk page, but I can't find any such post. My apologies.

The issue i have with your edit is that the new pub seems to be a duplicate of BKTG19351. Is there anything in your copy which would indicate that it is a different publication form the one already on file? -DES Talk 20:22, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. It is the same except my copy is printed in the USA while the one already listed is printed in Canada. I must have not noted this difference.Don Erikson 05:38, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Fine. I will approve your edit and add a note. -DES Talk 14:21, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Approved. The result is here. Please double check. -DES Talk 14:23, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Did I do something wrong? I could have sworn I changed the notes to say it was printed in the USA. Well I fixed again and hope I got it right this time.Don Erikson 18:29, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
No I got mixed up on which pub was which, and altered the note incorrectly, it seems. I just approved your latest edit. Please double check that all editions of Nightside City are now correct. Thanks. -DES Talk 18:59, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Looks OK now.Don Erikson 05:13, 19 September 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. Case closed, I trust. -DES Talk 12:44, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Jailbird queued

Hi Don - Could you please take a look at #Jailbird and comment on it? Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:31, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I went to the aforementioned post and hopefully answered your concerns. (Boy! do I love that word "aforementioned")Don Erikson 05:48, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Where Do We Go from Here? anthology

User: Bluesman has submitted edits to your verified pub Where Do We Go from Here? that would:

  • Add a cover image (Image:WHRDWGFRMH1972.jpg
  • Add content items for the various introductory essays
  • Add publication notes
  • Replace "- And He Built a Crooked House" (leading hyphen) with "—And He Built a Crooked House—" (leading and trailing dashes)
  • Replace "Heavy Planet by Lee Gregor " with "Heavy Planet by Milton A. Rothman"
  • Replace "Night by John W. Campbell, Jr." with "Night by Don A. Stuart"
  • Replace "The Cave of Night by James Gunn" with "The Cave of Night by James E. Gunn"
  • Change the page number for "The Deep Range" from 238 to 237

Do you have any objections to any of these changes? This edit was actually submitted some time ago, and I apparently failed to communicate with you in a timely way, so Bluseman has been patiently waiting for some time. So if you could respond fairly soon, it would save any further delay and help make up for my inexcusable delay. -DES Talk 14:19, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

I find all these changes unobjectionable.Don Erikson 18:33, 18 September 2009 (UTC)
Edit approved, merges done. Thanks for your quick response, putting me to shame. -DES Talk 19:10, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

Slaves of Sleep

I added the preface and a note about the cover artist to this verified pub, to match my copy. Thanks Willem H. 10:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

The Disappearance -- 1952 ed

You submitted an edit for a new pub of The Disappearance. This looks very much like the same publication as this printing, which was verified by Scott Latham on 2007-04-20 21:11:50. So far as I can see, the only difference is that your record has "Stated 1st printing" and the existing record has no printing number mentioned. Please check and consider whether it would be better to update the existing record. I have your submission on hold pending your response. -DES Talk 22:05, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

It seems that User:Mhhutchins has approved your edit, but please check if one of the two pubs shouldn't be deleted as a duplicate. -DES Talk 22:07, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

My copy is from Feb. 1952 and states it is the 1st printing while the other, which I cloned from, is from April 1952 and without a note I assume was a later printing.Don Erikson 00:25, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
thanks. -DES Talk 17:41, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

When Worlds Collide -- 1962 eds

Is there meaningful difference between This publication and this one? they are both for 1962, both for Paperback Library editions at $0.50, both with covers by Richard Powers, and if the Dec printing is the first printing, it seems unlikely that there was a 2nd the same year. Is there a reason not to delete one of these as a duplicate? -DES Talk 17:40, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Yes it does seem unlikely, but I had no definitive information that the are the same. So I erred on the side of caution.Don Erikson 00:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The Best of John Wyndham 1932-1949

You submitted a new pub of this. Your note says "A reprint of the 1975 edition." but your submitted pub is dated 1975-00-00. The existing verified Sphere edition is dated 1977. Please clarify. I have this on hold pending your response. -DES Talk 17:50, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I should have removed that from the cloned note field. I try now to keep as much useful info from the original source. Don Erikson 00:05, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
No Problem, I'll approve and edit. -DES Talk 00:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
The result is here. -DES Talk 00:11, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The Day of the Triffids -- Fawcett Crest ed.

You submitted an edit for a new pub of The Day of the Triffids with an unknown date with price $0.75 and cat #T1322. This looks very much like This pub, verified by Dragoondelight on 2009-09-15 07:08:14. Do you see a significant difference? I have your submisison on hold. -DES Talk 20:55, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Was this the one I noted was printed in Canada?Don Erikson 00:00, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, yes that is the difference. I will approve. -DES Talk 00:06, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Wyndham's The Midwich Cuckoos

I'm holding a submission which appears to be identical in all respects to this pub record. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Twice in two days. What are the odds, DES? :) MHHutchins 21:09, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
Resolved. Pardon moi. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:24, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The Midwich Cuckoos

You submitted an edit for The Midwich Cuckoos 1976 Ballantine ed, $1.50, cover by Dean Ellis, stated 7th printing. It looks a lot like this pub, verified by Dragoondelight on 2008-10-13 09:43:29. The only difference I see is the publisher list as "Ballantine Books / Random House" on the existign pub, but that might be just a different way of listing what is there. Do you think the two pubs are actually different? I have your edit on hold. -DES Talk 21:14, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

I missed another one, should have been more careful. I noticed I had made this mistake soon after I did it. Should I in the future, re-enter with a note to ignore last post. I've done so in the past but several minutes had past so I waited to be lambasted (for good reason) here. So just ignore this entry. Sorry to be making so much extra work for our valiant moderatorbots.Don Erikson 23:56, 21 September 2009 (UTC)
No problem. If this occurs in future, the best method is probably to post on the Moderator noticeboard with an "Ignore submission" notice, and make a new submission updating the existing pub. -DES Talk 00:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
I'll reject the duplicate. -DES Talk 00:03, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
If if happens again? I'm sorry to say I can guarantee a future cascade boobistic half-assery from this end.Don Erikson 00:14, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
Well, none of us is perfect, but I didn't want to imply i was sure you would make an error. Anyway, for all the books you enter, your error rate is not all that high. -DES Talk 00:17, 22 September 2009 (UTC)
SEE! I meant future cascade OF boobistic half-assery

The King of Elfland's Daughter

I added a cover image to your verified pub THKNGFLFLN1973. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 00:09, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The Ecolog

Scanned in a cover image, added notes and the introduction (first one I've seen in a LASER) to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Something About Eve

I made several changes to your verified pub SMTHNGAE1971: I added a cover image, increased the title to include the subtitle, added interior art and author's note and page numbers. I also removed the note that the date was from the second edition, since we can verify it with this one. I would have expanded the title of the Carter introduction to "About Something About Eve and James Branch Cabell: The Fair-Haired Hoo", but since that is shared with a later publication, I'm going to ask the verifier of the other edition first. Let me know if you concur with that change (or indeed the other ones). Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 03:47, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Looks good to me.Don Erikson 16:12, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Reign of Wizardry - is cover?

Morning! Is this your cover? [69]. It is not mine for the 73 april ed. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:34, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

No it is not. This is the cover of the 1968 printing. The '73 printing tan with the title in black & the Frazetta art smaller.Don Erikson 16:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Beyond the Fields We Know

I added a cover image to your verified pub MLO2174. I also added the ISBN, roman page count, Carter's afterword and expanded the title of the introduction. Let me know if you disagree with any of the changes. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 01:04, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Whirligig by Brunner

Hi, could you doublecheck if there's an exclamation mark as part of this title as published here Thanks Jonschaper 04:19, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

There is no exclamation point on the Acknowledgments page, Table of Contents, or the story itself.Don Erikson 16:02, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
Cheers -- looks like there may be a variant then Jonschaper 04:37, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

The Explorers

I added the cover artist and a note to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 15:45, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

The Gods Themselves -- cover image

I added this image to your verified The Gods Themselves, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 17:24, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Last Communion

Isn't this the same as that? BLongley 19:15, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

They are the same. I can't tell you what happened, but I can tell you what will. I will fix it.Don Erikson 01:03, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Circle, Crescent, Star - add cover

Morning! [70]. I added a cover image, [71], after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:26, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Asimov's The Currents of Space

You made a submission updating this SFBC edition of The Currents of Space which changes the catalog #00097 to 0385079427 (ISBN presumed), but then you note "Copyright page gives a ISBN as 0-55329341-9, which is the ISBN of the Bantam Spectra paperback." Where is the first ISBN located? Keep in mind that unless the ISBN is assigned by the SFBC, most publisher-assigned ISBNs should be placed in the notes (see here for a list of SFBC assigned ISBN ranges.) Thanks. MHHutchins 04:56, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

It's a mystery for sure. The ISBN I used is on the back cover opposite the catalog number. A search of this ISBN brings up on ABE, 5 copies of van Rijn Rembrandt Harmensz's "Art for children" and one "Currents of Space". Cancel this & I'll redo it.Don Erikson 21:24, 1 October 2009 (UTC)
I did the same search on Abebooks with the same results. Funny thing is the 0-385- ISBN range is owned by Doubleday who was the original publisher of the hardcover edition of this title. In the 90s, the SFBC had just started using ISBNs and were bound to screw up at least once! I'll delete the submission. Be sure to add that second (back cover) ISBN to the notes. Thanks. MHHutchins 21:55, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish

I added this cover scan to your verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:09, 28 September 2009 (UTC)

Inside Outside

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:16, 29 September 2009 (UTC)


I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:20, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Rediscovery: A Darkover Novel

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:14, 30 September 2009 (UTC)


I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:12, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

The Fall of the Towers

I changed the page number of the Author's Note in your verified pub FLLOTTR1970. It has been listed on page 7, which has an epigraph on my copy. I changed it to page 2 (counting backwards from 7, which is the first numbered page). Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 01:26, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

The October Country

I added a cover image to your verified pub CTBRCNT1968. I also added an item for the illustrations to the contents. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 01:57, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Northworld: Vengeance

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 12:42, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

R Is for Rocket

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 11:35, 3 October 2009 (UTC)

The Left Hand of Darkness -- various printings

I have approved several of your submissions adding printings to The Left Hand of Darkness, and rejected one at your request. But there are three I have questions about or issues with. These are:

  • Your update to pub 271039. This changes the pub date from "1973-06-00" to "1972-11-00". Is there any possibility that there was both a November 1972 and a June 1973 Ace printing? Also, you add the cover artist as Josh Kirby. Is this credited in the book? if not, what is the source?
The copyright page says "Third Ace printing; November 1972". The copyright page of the 7th printing says the 4th printing is June 1973. The cover is signed.
  • Your update to pub 253078. This changes the note from "Month of publication from Locus #167, November 20, 1974." to "Stated 7th printing." Is there a reason to remove the note of the Locus confirmation? If you have verified the date from the book-in-hand, why not change the note to "Stated 7th printing. Month of publication confirmed in Locus #167, November 20, 1974." or some such? Also, is Alex Ebel credited in the book, or is he known because this is the same cover art used on so many printings? Or how?
Because I have the book I thought the Locus citing as redundant, but if you feel otherwise I have no problem with keeping it. The signature, though reversed, is clearly visible
  • Your update to pub 261037. You removed from the notes the statement "There is a signature on the front cover, unreadable as printed, but it is a mirror image of a stylized signature 'Alex Ebel'." is this incorrect?
I guess there was no real reason to have removed the note, it just seemed a little redundant again. If you feel it should remain I have no problem with it either.

I have these three submissions on hold pending your response. -DES Talk 20:03, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Keep up the good work.Don Erikson 18:35, 12 October 2009 (UTC)
Thank you. All three submissions approved, and edits made to reinstate relevant notes, as per above. I am going more and more to retaining or adding notes of "redundant" data confirmations, so that if a verifier becomes unavailable, a known citable source is still listed. This is not yet an ISFDB-wide policy, although i think things may be heading that way. Not every editor agrees, however. -DES Talk 16:46, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The Maker of Universes

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 15:23, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

The Golden Horn

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 08:34, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Living Way Out

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 10:27, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The Siege of Wonder

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:25, 9 October 2009 (UTC)

The Starchild Trilogy gutter code

Your submission to add a gutter code ("I01") to this edition duplicates the one that's already listed in this one. Does the pub have ID #1310 on the inside of the back flap or #01310 on the back of the dustjacket? This is one of those rare cases where we decided that two records were necessary for another SFBC printing (because of the different ID number). Thanks. MHHutchins 06:04, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I didn't notice the other entry and my copy is jacketless so.....just cancel this.Don Erikson 18:37, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Killer - added cover image

Morning! This. [72]. I added a cover image, [73], after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:58, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

The Dragon Waiting

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 15:09, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

When True Night Falls

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 13:43, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Once Departed

Added a cover image, unfortunately a place-holder only, to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:37, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

The Golden People - added cover/start page number

Afternoon!. This. [74]. I added a cover image, [75], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:22, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Passing of Dragons

Added an image and printing statement to the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:04, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Witch of the Dark Gate

I added a cover image to your verified pub WTCHFTHDRK0000. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 13:42, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Steersworman - added cover/Can price/start page no.

Afternoon! This. [76]. I added a cover image, [77], Canadian pricing, and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:54, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

The Light in Exile

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:55, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

A Cold Wind from Orion

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 13:49, 17 October 2009 (UTC)

Clay's Ark

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 06:18, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Night Chills Publication date

I approve this submission including changing the publication date to 0000-00-00 but Contento's Pre-1984 Anthology/Collection website gives it date of November 1975].--swfritter 13:46, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

ST New Voyages

I dated your 2nd printing from the 13th, let me know if you mistrust that info. BLongley 18:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Keeper - added cover image/start page no.

Morning! This. [78]. I added a cover image, [79], after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:36, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Change to verified pub Adventures in Tomorrow

this pub. Exiled from Earth is credited to Sam Merwin rather than Sam Merwin, Jr.--swfritter 17:11, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

A Word from the (Human) Editor . . . or Author

You verified one of the publications of War with the Robots. All pubs have the foreword as "A Word from the (Human) Editor . . .", but in my copy it definitely is "A Word from the (Human) Author . . . Can you check your copy? If all entries are wrong (a human error, even contento lists it with editor), the title can be changed. Thanks, Willem H. 20:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

All three printings I own say "Author". Don Erikson 21:18, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Rediscovery: A Darkover Novel changed to Rediscovery: A Novel of Darkover

Afternoon! This. [80]. I changed it as above to reflect the title on title page, page opposite title page, front cover and spine. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:16, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

The Dueling Machine - added cover image/note on artist/start page number

Afternoon! This. [81]. I added a cover image, [82], note on artist and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Don't Bite the Sun

I added the interior art and a note to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 16:00, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Starchild - added cover

Afternoon! This. [83]. I added a cover image, [84], after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:43, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Slave Ship - added cover/some notation/start page no.

Morning! This. [85]. I added a cover image, [86], (best I could find), some notation and start page no. after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:09, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Operation: Outer Space

I Identified the cover artist of this verified pub as Robert E. Schulz, added the information and adapted the notes a bit. Also added the signature to the Signature Images. Thanks, Willem H. 08:32, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Robert Andre / Robert André

The Habitats update is fine, but I'm afraid the change to the accent for cover-artist didn't work in that edit. I think we can do that via author edit if desired though? BLongley 22:19, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

That probably was caught by the "Use existing author" trap which also prevents a change in case via a publication edit. If an entered author matches an existing author according the the search logic, then the existing author is used and the name is not changed. Using author edit is indeed the way to fix this for all pubs, but not if a variant is desired. -DES Talk 22:51, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Alpha Three

Added an image and expanded the printing statement slightly for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:46, 31 October 2009 (UTC)

Plague Ship

Unfortunately, the Amazon image ([87]]) that you originally linked to this publication doesn't work. Ahasuerus 03:08, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Outsiders: Children of Wonder

Could you please clarify whether "About the Editor" appeared at the beginning or at the end of the book? As per Help:Screen:EditPub, we have two different abbreviations for unnumbered pages:

  • bp -- unpaginated pages that precede pagination
  • ep -- unpaginated pages that follow pagination

Thanks! Ahasuerus 04:23, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

It is "ep" & I done fixed 'em real good.Don Erikson 19:13, 5 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! Ahasuerus 20:41, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Second Foundation

Scanned in an image and added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:10, 8 November 2009 (UTC)


Question on your new pub submission, edited by Greenberg: is there a number on the bottom of the back cover? Would be five to seven digits, by itself (not part of barcode area). ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:28, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

The submission is probably a duplicate of this record. This was published as an instant remainder, most of which do not have a printed price. The source for the price was Locus1. MHHutchins 19:32, 8 November 2009 (UTC)
Actually, this being an instant remainder makes a lot of sense, which is probably why I didn't think of it. So just cancel this edit.Don Erikson 18:23, 9 November 2009 (UTC)
That's why Mike gets the BIG bucks. Will cancel. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:41, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Chaos in Lagrangia

I have expanded the Note in your verified Tor edition of Chaos in Lagrangia to read: "Stated first Tor printing. Canadian ISBN 812-55129-X. Price in Canada C3.50. "First Publication Anywhere" on the cover." Also, I have changed the Title date from 1983-00-00 to 1984-03-00 since the 1983-00-00 pub that we had linked to this Title turned out to be a duplicate of The Lagrangists pub. Ahasuerus 00:48, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Once Departed cross-verified

I have added the following notes to your verified edition of Once Departed:

  • Copyright 1970, but no other publication information is available on the copyright page.
  • "An Original Novel" on the cover.
  • "Complete and Unabridged" on the back cover.
  • Cover art not credited and there is no identifiable signature on the cover although there may be stylized initials in the bottom right corner.

Ahasuerus 04:21, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

A Storm Upon Ulster

Just a note that I have made the following changes to your verified Bantam edition of A Storm Upon Ulster:

  • changed the page count from "309" to "x+309"
  • changed the date of the map from 0000-00-00 to 1981-04-00 to match the date of this edition
  • noted that this is the first edition according to Reginald-3
  • noted that the cover artist is not credited

Ahasuerus 04:08, 11 November 2009 (UTC)


Question on this new pub: if there is no statement of edition/printing, where does the date come from? Also, the standard designation in the publisher field is "Publisher" / BCE, where the particular Book Club is not known. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:42, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The date is from "574" on the inside flap of the DJ. Maybe I was jumping to a conclusion there so I'll chaange it to an unknown date and note the number. And I'll change the the publisher too. Oh right, you're holding this edit. You can send & I'll fix it or you can make the changes. Don Erikson 17:44, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Approved! Sorry for the delay. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:37, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Interface -- cover art

I added this image to your verified Interface. --MartyD 13:59, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Best of the Rest

Just approved [this]. In checking Locus1 (which gives the month as May, if you want to add that) that listing has a page count of 128. Is there something they may have counted on unnumbered pages? Just curious. ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:10, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

I'll add the Locus date & credit them but the page count is right Not counting the end papers there five blank pages (except for a black line across the top) after page 113. No way could this be 128 pages.Don Erikson 01:46, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, will drop Bill Contento a note. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Looking Back on Tomorrow

Approved [this] Was there no page number for the added Wells story? Both Locus and Amazon list this as a "Student printing/textbook" which is likely why there is no price. ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:23, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

The previous edit left this out so I hand entered but just forgot the page number. Will fix.Don Erikson 01:47, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay!, Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:48, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Tales of Time & Space

Was this a cloned submission? OCLC [here] has a ©1977 for what seems to be this pub (and mentions interior art as well). ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:38, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes this was a clone of the Whitman HB. When I checked the copyright pager I saw the date in Roman Numerals which means I assumed (there's that word again) that they were hiding the fact that this was a reprint as other publishers sometimes do. But it is 1977 and need fixing.Don Erikson 01:51, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, will approve and fix away! Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:55, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Modern Science Fiction

Added a cover image to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:16, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Skin Trade

Approved the submission, checked Locus1 [here] and they list this as edited by Winter. Then noticed it is a reprint of Night Visions 5. Seems this record was originally cloned from that edition and the interior art and the introduction are still listed with that title! Seems a little variant/merging is in order. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:49, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

Pocket Book SF

Approved [this] and part of the note still reads the same as my third printing. This one doesn't have the list at the end either?? Wonder which printing ever did?? ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:14, 15 November 2009 (UTC)

No list at the end. Pocket may just routinely added this note.Don Erikson 01:23, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Change to verifed pub Five-Odd

This pub. F. L. Wallace rather than Floyd L. Wallace.--swfritter 15:08, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Wonders of the World

Approved [this] Does the story you added really have the word "Deccision" in the title or was one 'c' enough?¿? ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:48, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

I ccan't cconcceive unccorrecctly ...umm... OK I give up trying to be funny. I korrected it.Don Erikson 17:16, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
And I apppproved the korrection....... ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:15, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Monster Festival

Approved your edit to [this] and note that the artist for the interior art, Gorey, is the same as for the cover. Is he credited for both? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:14, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, on the title page & front inside DJ flap.Don Erikson 06:49, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


Scanned in an image and imported the contents for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 05:29, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 09:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Wollheim's Best Series Two

Approved [this] but I assume it's not a first printing? ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:05, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Ya, I left a note to myself to back and check that one 'cause I couldn't remember fixing it. I will now.Don Erikson 19:58, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


Approved [this] but altered the edition/printing statement slightly from "Stated 1st Mass Market edition as per number line" to what's there now. Number lines don't state edition. Later printings will still carry the "1st Mass Market Edition" statement but the number line will be different. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:43, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Best of If Vol. 1

Confusion: approved the change from Finkel to Frenkel and now you want to change it from Frenkel to Boylan.... but there's just the one pub. What am I missing? Holding this one, awaiting enlightenment.... ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:57, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

When I saw the cover artist entered as "James Finkel" then saw the name "James Frenkel" on the copyright page I jumped to conclusions. I didn't notice cover credit given to Brian Boylan until later and tried to corrected it. James Frenkel is given credit for "Headnotes" . Headnotes are short (3 to 6 lines) introductions to the author and story.Don Erikson 20:10, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Okay, shall approve. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:01, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Best of If Vol II

Corrected a typo for [this ] after approval: "Headnoyes" to "Headnotes" but don't know what that term means. Story introductions? Just curious. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:06, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

See above about Vol.1.Don Erikson 20:11, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:02, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The Shores of Space

Identified the cover artist (Mitchell Hooks) and added some notes to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 13:45, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

DAW Fantasy

Locus1 has the month for [this] as May (same for the SF paperback from DAW). Is it not listed in the book? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:14, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. For the life of me I can't find this book. I know it was just days ago but it's hiding somewhere. When I find it I'll look into this. Are you sure this was me?Don Erikson 18:26, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Diagnosis: Terminal pub date

I noticed Locus claims the publication date of Diagnosis: Terminal is July, 1996 vs. the August, 1996 you used. Figured I'd ask you to double-check while I'm noticing it. Thanks. --MartyD 03:01, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Copyright page says August.Don Erikson 18:27, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Australian Science Fiction

Approved [this]. The added essay, is it really content? It should have (Australian Science Fiction) appended as it's a pretty generic title, like "Introduction". ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:46, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Accidentally put this on the wrong talk page earlier.... ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:29, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It is six pages of Australian SF bibliography and mentioned in the table of content. I thought it worth mentioning but I'm not married the idea so if you think it isn't something needing inclusion you may delete it.Don Erikson 18:32, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Keeping it is fine, just wondered if it would "disappear" with the generic title on it. Bibliographies are a godsend when they appear and being in the record might answer some question later. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:08, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Beyond the Stars

Approved [this]. Was there a reason for adding the interior art again? ~Bill, --Bluesman 06:15, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm an idiot? That seems to be main reason for things like this.Don Erikson 18:35, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Just making sure I'm not the only one..... you wouldn't believe all the "odd" edits you can get away with from the MOD side 'cause you can do the self head-slap and fix it before anyone else sees it!!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:10, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Nebula Awards 22 pub date

Locus lists the publication date for your newly-submitted Nebula Awards 22 as April, 1988, which may be more accurate than Amazon's March date. I'm checking with Marc Kupper, who verified the tp edition you cloned. If there are no violent objections from either of you, I will change the date and adjust that portion of the notes in both pubs. --MartyD 11:23, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I have no problems with your change.Don Erikson 18:37, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
I want ahead and changed the hc edition to use April-1988 publication date per what Amazon and Locus reports. I also saw that Locus reports April-1988 for the tp edition that I have and so revised that publication record. Publishers tend to report the On Sale By (OSB) date which is the date book stores are supposed to make the publication available to the public. Thus it's common for Amazon to report a date late in the month prior to the month-year stated in the publication. --Marc Kupper|talk 23:05, 30 May 2010 (UTC)

Cover on The Year's Best Australian Science Fiction & Fantasy

I replaced the LZZZZZZZ image with this one in your new pub submission. --MartyD 13:28, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

That looks good.Don Erikson 18:38, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Question about notes in three submissions

I have a minor question about three of your pending submissions. Do you have the pubs for Journey Across Three Worlds, Futuristic Science Stories, No. 4, and Futuristic Science Stories, No. 8? In all three, you've provided page numbers. In the first two, I noticed you updated the notes but left in the references about the data's coming from various secondary sources. The third has a similar note, but you didn't edit the notes there. I'm wondering if that portion of each of these notes should be updated/eliminated to reflect that now the pubs themselves are the source of the information. I'm new at this and don't mean to be picking a nit, it's just something I noticed and figured I might as well ask about. Thanks. --MartyD 13:44, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

With Journey Across Three Worlds I should have removed some of the notes concerning page count & subtitle, and will. The two others have no dates on them so I relied on the existing note. And don't fear nit-picking is the moderators job.Don Erikson 18:51, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
As we say in this business, "We leave no nit unpicked!" :) Ahasuerus 18:53, 23 November 2009 (UTC)
Is that on the MOD Help pages somewhere???? :-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:17, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Nebula Award-Winning Novellas

Approved [this]. Seems very odd that the publisher would be the same, same binding/page count yet be two years later and still say "1st printing". Wonder if maybe you could leave a note on Marc's page. There may be something he can add. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:03, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

I added more detail to the publication record I had verified. FWIW
  • I have ISBN 1-56619-590-X which states "1994 Barnes & Noble Books / M 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" and Amazon states "Barnes & Noble (1994)." The book has $8.95 on the back cover and the UPC code has "90000" which means there is no recommended price.
  • Don has ISBN 0-7607-0296-9 - Amazon states "Barnes Noble Books; First Printing edition (January 1, 1994)." Presumably his book states "1996 Barnes & Noble Books / M 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1". --Marc Kupper|talk 21:25, 29 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm back after taking a little break, been a bit burned up lately. The copyright page gives the ISBN for both the paperback & trade paper back. The one for the paperback says "MP 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" while the other "MT 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1" . Don Erikson 19:10, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
You have both the paperback and trade paperback? If so, then you can clone the TP to make a new record for the PB. I'm guessing that since they changed the ISBN from the TP I had that they restarted the printing numbers at 1. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:57, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Spaceships and Spells

I have your Spaceships and Spells submission on hold since you would like to change the price from $12.95 to $12.89 and add a note to the effect that this is a "library binding" printing. According to OCCL, there were two ISBNs used for this edition, 0060267968 (confirmed by Locus) and 0060267976 (not in Locus, so probably the library version.) I wonder if the ISBN in your copy may be 0060267976 rather than 0060267968? Could you please double check? Thanks! Ahasuerus 00:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Since entering this I found I own a second copy with a different binding. I don't remember which I entered, so I canceled it and redo both.Don Erikson 19:17, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
Thanks! :) Ahasuerus 19:27, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
OK, I have a question. How do I tell a library binding from a trade one. Of the 2 copies I own the ex-library one has paper boards with a cloth spine covering, thick speckled paper end pages, but is price clipped. The other is bound in shiny plasticy material much like many book club editions, with plain end pages. The inside DJ flap is clipped upper right but lower right is says "Grs 5 up $12.89". So which is which? I'll hold off entering until I feel more informed.Don Erikson 19:40, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Kavin's World

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 14:32, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Science Fiction: Contemporary Mythology: The SFWA-SFRA Anthology

Is there no date in this book? Seems you are creating a new record just because there is no price given. Locus1 lists the book exactly as you have entered but gives no price. The same note could go on the existing record. I think that would be a better result instead of ending up with an undated first edition and a dated unknown edition. Thoughts? Thanks. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:46, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Of course. You're right, I'll cancel this one too. I'm lovin' this new option!Don Erikson 19:24, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The Mammoth Book of Vampires

I'm concerned that you want to remove the £5.99 price from The Mammoth Book of Vampires. If your copy does not have a price I suspect we are better off either cloning the existing publication or adding a note that the publication record used to state a price of "£5.99" and give your reasoning for why it was removed.

The only other change you wanted to make to the publication was to change the note from "OCLC: 26268435" to "Stated 1st printing as per number line. OCLC: 26268435" which is fine. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:52, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

I will say I meant to clone instead of edit but I can't remember 5 minutes ago 5 days ago is right out. I will cancel this an redo.Don Erikson 19:22, 3 December 2009 (UTC)
I went ahead with the reject and did the cloning. The THMMMTHBKG1992 record should match your publication. I also added a note that there is no date. I'm assuming yours is a book club edition? --Marc Kupper|talk 00:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

Prison Ship - added cover/note/start page no.

Afternoon! This. [88]. I added a cover image, [89], made a note on the artist signature, and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:46, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Dr. Who Programme guide

Did you intend to clone [this]? Came through as an edit changing second verified printing to third. Have it on hold. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:13, 4 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes, another goof-up from your favorite goof-ball. Should I redo it or can it be easily be done from your end? Don Erikson 23:04, 5 December 2009 (UTC)
All I can do is accept or reject. Once accepted the other record would have to be re-created. So it's definitely a re-do from your side. I think we have to move the edit/clone 'buttons' further apart, like a foot or two! ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:29, 5 December 2009 (UTC)


I've added cover to Wetware--ErnestoVeg 19:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Bloody Sun

Both edits for this title have the same date. Approved both so you can update probably the 9th printing?? ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:31, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixed now. And added Canadian price to the 7th printing.Don Erikson 17:32, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Lords of Atlantis

Apparently, on many Airmont later printings, there is a date on the bottom of the last page of text or on the blank page before the back cover to date them. Might help date [this]. FYI ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:58, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Fixed the 95¢ printing but the $1.50 printing doesn't have a date on the last page.Don Erikson 17:38, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos: Volume 1

I added a cover image for your verified pub Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos: Volume 1. and I fiddled the page number for the introduction matching it to my copy. However there are two additional edits that I am considering, but wanted to get your input first:

  1. I think we should swap out "The Space-Eaters" in favor of the variant title "The Space Eaters". My understanding is that we are supposed to reflect the title page.
  2. The title page of my copy makes no mention of the volume number and following the same rule as above, we should not include the volume number in the title. It certainly includes "Volume 1" on both the cover and the spine, and people may try to merge "Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos" with this title (of which, of course, it is a subset). However, I find strict rules (exactly as it appears on the title page) easier to follow and probably would still lean towards the title without volume number (though probably as a variant of "Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos: Volume 1")

Do you have any opinions on either of these proposed changes? I'm going to point Swfritter here too, since he has the second primary.

Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:34, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

  1. Urban legend for TOC/title page discrepancies: there is actually some flexibility: from Help: "Short fiction, essays and poems. For short stories, essays and poems, take the title from the heading on the page where the work begins, rather than from the table of contents, if there is one. This distinction is not too important, and if you know that one form of the title is the usual one (e.g. the contents page has "Night Fall" but the story heading is "Nightfall") then use the one you know is standard. You can also choose to use the table of contents version where the story heading gives a non-standard presentation of the title form--e.g. if the table of contents says "Bell, Book and Candle" and the story header says "Bell, Book & Candle", you can use the former. If both the table of contents and the story title agree, though, the form given should be used, even if it is different from the standard." Which makes "Space-Eaters" appropriate because it appears that way in the table of contents and is commonly listed in that format elsewhere. The discrepancy is documented in the notes as it should be.
  1. My volume 2 is explicitly stated as such on the title page so it would have a unique title. I tend to be a little more flexible in these situations. Too strict an adherence to to rules can sometimes create more confusion and potential editing errors. I always try to document in the notes any case where I have made a minor divergence from the rules. In this case there is justification for going without the volume number if so desired so that would be alright.--swfritter 16:18, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Ravens of the Moon

Approved [this], plugged in the ISBN on the British Integrated Library site and got a price of £5.50. FYI ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:10, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Gutter code dating

Two submissions, Howard SFBC editions changed the dates from August to June because of the gutter codes. The three Howard books weren't offered by the club until August, and it is the month they were offered/published that we use. Accepted both edits as they added the extra codes, but switched the dates back to August. You wouldn't happen to have the third one? No gutter codes recorded yet for that one, though it's very likely to be J24 as well. Thanks! ~Bill,

Must have been like a "2nd printing before publication" deal with higher than expected orders. As to the 3rd book, I still have to large boxes of book club eds. to go through so we;ll see.Don Erikson 18:29, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

BC edition of Banks' The Player of Games

I see you've added a book club edition of this title. Looking at the SFBC listing for 1989 (look at August), I see your entry matches this record with the addition of the ID number. Because Locus1 fails to list this printing, we didn't have the ID number, and this one falls into the pattern for 1989. So it's a 100% sure thing that these two records are for the same printing. Would you mind moving the info from your record to the current one (it's already linked to the SFBC listing, so retaining it would be easier.) Much appreciation for finding this elusive printing. MHHutchins 18:07, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Done.Don Erikson 18:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)
I've updated the listing with the ID number and deleted the duplicate record. Thanks again. MHHutchins 19:16, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Lord of the Spiders or Blades of Mars

I added the interior art and some notes to this verified pub to match my copy. Thanks, Willem H. 16:28, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Also adde this cover scan. Willem H. 20:37, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

The Black Corridor

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace a broken Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 20:46, 19 December 2009 (UTC)


Approved [this], sure hope you didn't pay a 10-digit price!! ;-) Found an image for this one, but very small. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:56, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I fixed this up. Added right ISBN & price and removed the image because it's the wrong one. I only paid a dollar for my ex-library copy.Don Erikson 18:28, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
This still has double interior art credits and if I remember correctly the artist was for the other cover? Or did he do both? ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:38, 21 December 2009 (UTC)


Approved [this] Is the one author "Sara h Teasdale" or should there be no space? Also the Clarke story has a '0' instead of an 'O'. Caps key stuck?? ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:12, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

I fixed the errors. About the cap lock problem, I'm trying a short cut to entering new anthologies (and ones entered without contents). I scan the content page and use OCR to render it as a text file open in Notebook then copy & paste. The problem is that some pages are set in all caps. Is this a problem, using all caps? Does it interfere with merging?(is that the right term?) I have more than a hundred anthologies that need to be entered, this process would save a poor typist like me months of labor.Don Erikson 18:42, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
Good question. I don't think case matters as far as searches go. Past that I really don't know. Might be a good thing to bring up on HELP or RULES & STANDARDS. Better than having to re-do submissions, especially anthologies. Know what you mean about the typing part. Without copy/paste I'd be six months behind where I am now, at least!! When I do one, I try to find the Contento/Locus listing , sometimes OCLC has all the contents listed. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:35, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Star Healer - added cover image/notation on cover artist

Morning! This. [90]. I added a cover image, [91], and notation on cover artist after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:16, 24 December 2009 (UTC)

Helen Hoke's Monsters * 3

Hi Don,

I've approved this. However, I was wondering ... I don't have a copy of MMM, though I have copies of several others of her triple-keyword anthologies. I have the latter listed on my personal database as having commas in the titles, so I was just wondering whether the Monsters one does.

On the topic of her triple-keyword anthologies, any ideas for a series title? (noting that they aren't all in-genre) (... and then there's the alliterating title series :-( ) --clarkmci / j_clark 23:06, 26 December 2009 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you...

Even though WorldCat & three out of six ABE sellers shows commas, there are no commas on title page, spine or DJ.

As for series title how 'bout: "Triple Tautologic Title" or "Three Thing Theme".Don Erikson 18:34, 1 January 2010 (UTC)

Pursuit of the Screamer - added cover image and Illustration credit note/contents

Morning! [92]. I added a cover image, [93], and illustration crediting after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:00, 27 December 2009 (UTC)

The Best of Eric Frank Russell

I added a cover image and notes to this. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:57, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Delta edition of A Fine and Private Place

I'm holding a submission adding a new pub to this title, but there appears to be an almost identical pub already in the database. The only difference is the catalog number, which I have Tuck-verified as #2530 (your submission is for #2350). Several dealers give the catalog number as 2530 as well. Is it possible that your reference has the wrong catalog number and that updating the existing record would be the best procedure? Thanks. MHHutchins 19:35, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

My mistake. I was going by the date (1960 vs 1966) and missed the entry. I did typo the number so cancel this & I'll edit the existing record.Don Erikson 17:54, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Should the cover credit to Nicole Woods also be moved to the old record? MHHutchins 18:25, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
Looking at the date and catalog number of this, I'd bet that Tuck was wrong for the Beagle reprint. I believe it was not a common practice at that time to release a paperback edition the same year as the hardcover. I'll do more research. It may turn out that 1966 should be the year of publication. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:31, 4 January 2010 (UTC)
According to this OCLC record the Delta book is copyrighted 1960, but doesn't give a date of publication. MHHutchins 18:33, 4 January 2010 (UTC)

Explorers of Gor

I added this cover scan to Explorers of Gor. Thanks, Willem H. 15:07, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Alien Horizons

I added this cover scan to Alien Horizons. Thanks, Willem H. 15:32, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Friday - cover image added

Morning! This. [94]. I added a cover image from the 2nd printing previously loaded in ISFDB after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:47, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

But what of Earth?

Added some notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:41, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:16, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Identity Seven

Scanned a new image, expanded the notes, added interior art to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:58, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Iron Rain

Scanned in an image and expanded the notes for [this] ~bill, --Bluesman 23:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Ruler of the World [2]

Scanned in an image and expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:48, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Law for the Stars

Scanned in an image and expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Changes in page counts for the Perry Rhodans

I'm trying to figure out how so many of these volumes had the wrong page count, and it struck me that there is a difference in how pages are counted in magazines and how they're counted in books. Because these were entered as magazines, the original editors used the magazine method and counted ALL pages, including the covers (which is the standard for magazines). Because Perry Rhodan is a strange hybrid (a magazine published in book form) the confusion may have led to the different interpretations of page count entry. For the moment, you might want to hold up on changing these records. I personally agree that this being a book, the page count should be the last numbered page of the book (that's how OCLC records them.) I used the book method on entering Destinies and Far Frontiers (other magazines published as books.) I'll posit a question on the Rules and Standards page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:31, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Another thing, if you'll willing to do a primary verification on these it would help bolster the argument for changing the page count. (I'm assuming you're making the changes based on books in hand.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:33, 15 January 2010 (UTC)
Sorry read the header. Bob Hall insisted that the page count be the actual page count plus all other pages including the cover. He cited the magazine rules. So all PR's are actual count if I got a hold on them. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:30, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

The Drowned World

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 10:10, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Doomsday Morning

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Sorceress of the Witch World

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:46, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Andre Norton coverscans

Hi Don, fyi, I scanned a number of Andre Norton covers, and in uploading them to the wiki I got a signal that scans for those pubs were already there. They were all uploaded by you in december 2008, apparently without a template, and not connected to the pubs. These are Horn Crown, The Defiant Agents, Daybreak—2250 A.D. and Dark Piper. I corrected the templates for these four and added the Image URL's to the pubs, but there are probably more. Thanks, Willem H. 11:01, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

The Queen of Zamba - added notation/contents

Morning! This. [95]. I added notation on cover art, interior art, and LCC#. I also added a "Foreword" and interior art credit for Jack Gaughan. All after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:04, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Cover art credit for The Demolished Man

I accepted the submission adding Bob Pepper as the cover artist of this verified pub. Are you updating from the pub itself or from the Whole SF Database? Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:57, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

I added the signature from an earlier printing with the same artwork & besides you can see the signature just to the right of the trigger finger by the neck.Don Erikson 21:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Earthman's Burden

Added publication date to [this] courtesy Locus. ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:11, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

To Live Forever

Added cover for 162091 Dana Carson 08:19, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Sphynxes Wild

Added cover and notes to Sphynxes Wild. Dana Carson 04:33, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

SF & F Reference: authors??

The three volumes you just submitted all have the author/editor quite different. The first is W. H. Hall (which is where the other reference books show up); the second has H. Walter Whyte and the third has Hal. W. Hall. I didn't see any pseudonyms set up to get these related books under one 'roof'. Are they actually credited this way? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:57, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

OK, let's see if we can straighten things out. The 2 volumes of the Reference Index have the same ISBN so maybe they should be listed as a single entry, but just in case I added the subtitle to the 2nd volume. The 1992-1995 index is as by Hal W. Hall not as H. W. Hall and certainly NOT by H. Walter Whyte (I blame auto-fill for this).Don Erikson 21:31, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Two entries, even with the same ISBN is probably best as there are two separate books. If I accept the edits can you find the books to correct the author's multiple names? That's the main reason I held them as they would have shown up under three completely unlinked authors. And it sounds like a pseudonym would need to be established anyway..... Did the auto-fill put the extra 'n' in "Reference"?? ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:00, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
I can fix the authors. And no, the extra "n" is a product my genneral inneptitude.Don Erikson 22:11, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I'll approve them. And that last edit on the Bluejay anthology.... an ISBN 11??? I'm not sure which digit is extra (one too many 4s??). ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:25, 28 February 2010 (UTC)
Jeez! Take a little break from all this and lose what little chops I had. Fixed>Don Erikson 23:52, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Season of Storms

Added cover and notes to Season of Storms. Dana Carson 09:09, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

Harpist in the Wind

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 13:44, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Voyage to the City of the Dead

Added cover and updated notes for Voyage to the City of the Dead. Dana Carson 04:10, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Dionysus: The Ultimate Experiment

Added some notes and changed the Catalog ID from 0-532-15232-3 to #15232 (explained in the notes) for this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 16:52, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Also added this cover scan. Willem H. 20:06, 6 March 2010 (UTC)

Lost Regiment

Added covers to Rally Cry, Union Forever and Terrible Swift Sword Dana Carson 20:19, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

cover image for Cautionary Tales

I added this image to your verified Cautionary Tales. --MartyD 21:45, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Norton's Plague Ship

Can you re-check the printing number given in this pub? If it actually states second printing, it must be wrong as there are many printings by Ace going back into the sixties. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:34, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Ace was less than perfect when it came to printing numbers. I was originally going to add to the note that this was at least the 5th printing but .. umm... I forgot. I' will fix it.Don Erikson 23:47, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

The Golden Horn by Poul Anderson

According to Locus #232 (April 1980), this edition was published in March 1980. If that's not recorded in the book itself, you use use the Locus listing as a source for the month of publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:50, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Level 7

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 20:09, 6 March 2010 (UTC)


Added the introduction and notes to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:52, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Also added this cover scan. --Willem 16:18, 19 March 2010 (UTC)

Witch World

Added an image and date [OCLC] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:55, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

Torrent of Faces

You've submitted what I think is a clone of [this] but retaining the publication date with a higher price. And the correct date would be???? :-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:04, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

I don't know what I did wrong, if I cloned this it must have been a mistake so I canceled it and redo the with the info from the WSFDB3.Don Erikson 20:02, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


You've added a price to [this], then a note about cover artist information without adding the cover artist. 2 out of three..... :-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:08, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

My mistake, there wasn't any cover artist info. If you let it thru I'll re-edit the notes.Don Erikson 20:10, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Done. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:55, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Warriors of Mars

The submission you made is identical [other than the notes] to [this]. Missed it or were there some changes? ~bill, --Bluesman 21:16, 21 March 2010 (UTC)

Boy have ever let things sl i d e. You're right, my mistake.Don Erikson 19:49, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Those 'chops' you mentioned are getting smaller and smaller! Won't be much left but some chicken wings soon!!! :-)) ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:57, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Reefs of Space

Added a cover image to [this] and have a question: is Wyrs credited for the cover? I have the '64 which also has Wyrs in the record but no mention of him in/on the book and no signature. If your second printing does credit him then I can delete that reference from the '64 record. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:49, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

Hold on to your hat Blueboy, after looking in both printings, each copyright page credits Wyrs and being this printing had a re-type-set copyright page so the credit wasn't accidentally left on, and taking a close look at both covers it seems in, my opinion, that the same artist did two different covers for different printings of the same title. I've seen this done on a rare occasion most often by Richard Powers.Don Erikson 19:47, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Yet my copy does not mention Wyrs on the copyright page or anywhere else. Mine is a Canadian printing. The entire copyright page has only six lines, so don't think I could miss it! Even in my dotage.... ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:54, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Rivers of time

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and added note. Hauck 21:15, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

A World Out of Time

I added the cover artists and notes to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem 19:45, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Also added this cover scan. --Willem 14:40, 3 April 2010 (UTC)

The Ship That Sailed the Time Stream

Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:35, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Night of Light

Added a cover scan and note for your verified here. Hauck 17:11, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Anything you can do...

Replaced the BS scan on your verified here. Hauck 12:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Animal Farm

I approved the addition of the 39th printing of Animal Farm, but I don't think we have permission to link to, do we? (the URL was Ahasuerus 03:24, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

I didn't specifically link the image, it came with the cloning.Don Erikson 19:29, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, I guess it's time to run the script that searches for unapproved image links again :) Ahasuerus 00:18, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Rainbows End

I put the second printing of the Tor edition on hold since the "Artists" field says "Stephan Martiniere", but the Notes field says "Cover by Howard Grossman/12E Designs". Could you please clarify whether Stephan Martiniere is credited in the books? TIA! Ahasuerus 03:28, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

Back cover says "Cover art by Stephan Martiniere" & "Cover by Howard Grossman/12E Design". I assume the latter is the cover's designer.Don Erikson 19:28, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, added it to Notes. Ahasuerus 00:21, 2 May 2010 (UTC)

Star Treks

Have the three Reader submissions on hold as there is already a record in the DB for each. We don't create new records for individual printings of SFBC editions unless the cover changes or the SFBC# changes. The different gutter codes can be mentioned in the notes. The Reader IV already notes the existence of the "K09" gutter code.

Oh, yeah. I forgot. I will take care of it.
Okay, I'll reject those three. ~bill, --Bluesman 23:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

Does the Whole SFDB #3 give more specifics on the signed slipcased editions? I approved the one for a Severn HC but now I see that makes TWO Severn HC records. I can see one as a limited edition as any Trek HCS from back then were rare. The other two you submitted want to make Corgi paperbacks into signed limited editions. This is highly unlikely, on an individual basis. There might be a boxed set of 11 & 12. Is there any more data? ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:54, 25 April 2010 (UTC)

The WSFDB3 says that the Corgis are paperback. Further research on ABE shows that these books are probably parts of three boxed sets. 1-4, 5-8, 9-12. If you'll let them thru I'll added the new info.
If that's the case then the best way would be to create new Omnibus records for each boxed set, and in the title record for each set after putting in the /1,2,3,4; /5,6,7,8; /9,10,11,12 add Boxed Set. Then the individual books would be merged 1-1, 2-2, 3-3, etc. Otherwise you'll end up with twelve duplicate records and still no boxed set records. I can help with that. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

As to the Severn ST11 I goofed, the WSFDB3 only says there is the limited ed. and not regular trade edition. :As to ST12 did I say it was a Severn House? It should be a Corgi. But according to ABE there was a Severn House edition of ST12 that I will add.Don Erikson 19:24, 29 April 2010 (UTC)

The Severn House submissions were accepted, so look at them and see which one matches your data and maybe the other one can be deleted. I only held the paperback submissions. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:27, 29 April 2010 (UTC)


Robert Hale is a British publisher, does the Whole SFDB #3 put the prices in $ ? I've been correcting them as I go.... ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:58, 1 May 2010 (UTC)

Best of Cordwainer Smith

Added an image to [this] ~Bill,

One Step Beyond

There is already [this] Digit record for the same pub as you submitted. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:05, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Took the note from your submission and added it to the existing record. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:46, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Bedlam Planet by John Brunner

Added ISBN with note. --Astromath 17:52, 25 May 2010 (UTC)

Don, I accepted this change from catalog #05301 to ISBN 0441053017 (plus note) per feedback from some other mods. Seems to be a good thing -- searching by that ISBN finds many hits. --MartyD 23:52, 26 May 2010 (UTC)

Uncharted Stars by Andre Norton 84001

Added ISBN with note. --Astromath 23:29, 27 May 2010 (UTC)


I'm holding three additions as we seem to have them already under this title. (Thomas H. Block rather than Thomas No-H. Block.) Maybe they should be edits rather than new pubs? BLongley 22:50, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

The US editions credited "Thomas H. Block". The authorship of all three pubs appears to be correctly attributed. Mhhutchins 18:51, 21 June 2010 (UTC)
I'll go cancel them now and redo them.Don Erikson 23:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

The Story of the Glittering Plain

I added pub series data, and cover artist to your verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:29, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

The King of Elfland's Daughter

I added The King of Elfland's Daughter to the Ballantine Adult Fantasy pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:50, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Something About Eve

I added Something About Eve to the Ballantine Adult Fantasy pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Beyond the Fields We Know

I added Beyond the Fields We Know to the Ballantine Adult Fantasy pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Dog Blood

Do you really want to remove 300 pages from the length? BLongley 00:18, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, only ten for now. Been having migraine induced vision problems, all better now. I redid it and canceled first edit.Don Erikson 23:03, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Thanks, replacement edit approved. Sorry to hear about the health problems - it seems prolific ISFDB editing and such go together. :-( (I was back at the doctor's myself today, blood pressure review etc.) BLongley 23:10, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Don't feel to bad, the kind of migraines I get cause no pain just weird little vision distortions.Don Erikson 23:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)
Our problems seem small compared with the number of editors that are recovering from heart surgery and suchlike. And of course, we lost Ernesto entirely recently. :-/ I hope there is no cause and effect here! I'm relaxing with ISFDB (mostly) rather than having it cause me problems, but some of the discussions aren't good for my blood pressure. Still, there's been no major arguments for some months now. BLongley 23:35, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Kai Lung Unrolls His Mat

I added Kai Lung Unrolls His Mat to the Ballantine Adult Fantasy pub series. I also added a cover scan. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:49, 5 July 2010 (UTC)

The Black Corridor

I added The Black Corridor to the Ace SF Special 1 pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:13, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Tiger River

I added Tiger River to the Time-Lost pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:02, 8 July 2010 (UTC)

Caesar Dies

I added Caesar Dies to the Time-Lost pub series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:48, 8 July 2010 (UTC)


I approved this but removed the "unnumbered" page number for "Of Formulas and Fiction and My Friend J. N." - ISFDB truncated it to to "unnumber" anyway. Not sure what your intention was there, but feel free to edit it again. BLongley 23:24, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

I went with "unnumbered" because the pages including the introduction are unnumbered with the numbering starting with the first story. The help page wasn't any help so if there's fix I'll re-edit it.Don Erikson 00:31, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Tales of the Witch World 3

I have approved the clone submission which created this pub, but could you please check whether the binding is "tp" or "pb"? $3.95 seems awfully cheap for a 1991 tp! Also, the cover art link is broken, so we may want to remove it unless we find a live link. Thanks! Ahasuerus 19:39, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

I imported the content so I had to wait for it to be approved to continue with the edit.Don Erikson 23:16, 11 July 2010 (UTC)
Got it, thanks! Ahasuerus 23:44, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

2nd printing of The Mouse on the Moon

Hi Don, I have a question about your proposed addition of a 1963-11-00 2nd printing of The Mouse on the Moon.... Are you sure about both the date and that it's the 2nd printing? We've got the #F2641 first printing on 1963-07-00 and a #F2641 supposed 3rd printing on 1963-09-00 (date claimed to be from the 8th printing). I'm thinking that 3rd printing's date could easily be 1964 or otherwise off, too. Unfortunately, only the 9th printing is verified -- I'm going to ask Bill about what that one says. Thanks. --MartyD 00:50, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, forgot to follow up on this. Bill isn't easily able to unearth his 9th printing, so I'm just waiting to see what you can confirm from your copy. Thanks. --MartyD 17:13, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Since Bill couldn't find his printing and you haven't responded to this question, I accepted the submission as-is. The best I could find were "1963" references to both the 2nd and 3rd printings. Something is clearly wrong with the dates of one of those two entries, but I can't tell what/which. --MartyD 15:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Book Club Editions

I added " / BCE" to the publisher on your newly added Vector, based on the note. --MartyD 01:07, 12 July 2010 (UTC)


I think you may be missing an "r" here? BLongley 18:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Space Movies

I just approved your submission for this pub. The prologue is there twice, once with an obvious misspelling. Were you planning to delete the wrong one, or do you want me to do this (or do you have other plans)? --Willem H. 20:25, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Haven't heard from you, so I removed the misspelled entry. Please check the result. --Willem H. 09:30, 18 July 2010 (UTC)

For Texas and Zed

Hi Don - I scanned/uploaded a cover image for For Texas and Zed. If you have a decent copy of this and a scanner it would be great if you could do the signature. I scanned/uploaded the signature to Image:Paul_Rivoche_(signature).jpg but my copy of the book is worn which chopped off part of the "e" at the end of his name. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

I got a second copy today that has a clean cover and so have re-uploaded the images. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:16, 24 July 2010 (UTC)
I've added notes. --Marc Kupper|talk

Nonfiction vs. Essay

The short pieces in this pub should all be essays. The NONFICTION type is reserved for book titles. The ESSAY type is a content title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:56, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

I fixed these now. Sorry for being inattentive this summer. I've been a little burned out here, ISFDB-wise. Don Erikson 19:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Manley vs. Manly Wade Wellman?

Is Where Angels Fear in Campfire Chillers by any chance credited to "Manly" instead of "Manley" Wade Wellman? Or perhaps a pseudonym and variant are needed. See Manly Wade Wellman and "Where Angels Fear . . .". --MartyD 10:09, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

It is Manley. I cut and pasted the contents (I think, it was a while ago) from a WorldCat entry, which is a liable to typos as any unedited source. I see the entry is correct now.Don Erikson 19:11, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Rebels of Merka

Scanned in an image and expanded the notes for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:50, 25 July 2010 (UTC)

The Passing of the Dragons

The Passing of the Dragons Scan/upload cover. Added sub-title, added unnumbered pages before page 1, expanded notes, and changed the story lengths for the following:

  • Synth from shortstory to novelette as it's 44 pages
  • Boulter’s Canaries from novelette to shortstory as it's 18 pages.

Manscarer, Coranda, plus The White Boat could be changed from novelette to shortfiction as they are 20 pages. These three are right on the edge as ss is from 5 to 20 pages. I decided to leave them as novelette. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:23, 26 July 2010 (UTC)

Basil Rathbone Selects Strange Tales

I approved this and changed the title back from Starnge to Strange (partly based on this). But can you check the spelling of "Rappacini's Daughter"? It normally has two c's, it seems. BLongley 21:52, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

It is "Rappaccini's Daughter" with two "C's".Don Erikson 19:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks - fixed now. BLongley 20:33, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Great Ghost Stories publisher

I changed "Washington Square" to Washington Square Press on Great Ghost Stories. Sorry if that's not right, but there was nothing with just "Washington Square" so I figured I'd try to avoid another publisher name.... --MartyD 00:26, 30 July 2010 (UTC)


Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 17:54, 4 August 2010 (UTC)


Added an image to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:23, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

And to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:45, 6 August 2010 (UTC)

Phoenix Prime

I added a cover scan to Phoenix Prime. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:44, 11 August 2010 (UTC)

The Book of Stier

It appears that you entered The Book of Stier. I have added a cover image, and a source that confirms the artist. If you still have access to the book, perhaps you can primary verify it? And confirm the cover image? -DES Talk 14:47, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

The cover image is correct AND you can see the signature under magnification.Don Erikson 19:21, 4 September 2010 (UTC)
Excellent. Then is this ready to verify? -DES Talk 21:00, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

cover for Avenging Liafail

I added this image to your verified Avenging Liafail. --MartyD 10:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)


Added a cover scan for your verified here. Hauck 15:33, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Souls of Metal - removed notation/added notation/add image/change page count display

Afternoon! This [96]. I removed note on Murray Leinster as ToC and story page has Murray Leinster not Will F. Jenks. Added note on not titlted 'introductory matter' before each story start. Added cover and changed page count to reflect pages not paginated after novel end. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Souls of Metal - removed notation/added notation/add image/change page count display

Afternoon! This [97]. I removed note on Murray Leinster as ToC and story page has Murray Leinster not Will F. Jenks. Added note on not titlted 'introductory matter' before each story start. Added cover and changed page count to reflect pages not paginated after novel end. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:33, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

A Shocking Thing - change author name

Afternoon! This. [98]. I changed R. M. McKenna to Richard McKenna as used in book, after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:18, 30 August 2010 (UTC)

cover for Tin Woodman

Dsorgen has added a cover image to your verified Tin Woodman. --MartyD 17:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Linking to worldcat in notes

In caser you didn't know, you can enter a link to a world cat record in a note field with HTML like <a href="">12345678</a>. When the pub has a valid ISBN our menus give an automatic link, so this is of less value, but when there is no ISBN, adn particularly when the OCLC record is a significant source for the pub, such a link is valuable IMO, as with you recent submission of Satan's Realm . -DES Talk 21:20, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

Ok I just tried this with a new novel (Leon Bone's "Naomi, Daughter of Ruth"). I hope it works.Don Erikson 20:59, 5 September 2010 (UTC)
It worked. I removed the duplicate number. -DES Talk 06:53, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

No Enemy But Time cover

User:Dsorgen has uploaded a new cover image for your verified pub of No Enemy But Time. I am about to approve the pub edit. -DES Talk 22:06, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

David, that's not the right cover. Don's record is for the paperback and that cover is for the hardcover edition. (It is the same art though.) Now you see the problem of accepting submissions to verified pubs by an uncommunicative editor. Sorry to butt onto your page, Don. Mhhutchins 04:53, 14 September 2010 (UTC)
I'm sorry it is the wrong cover. I can remove it, or I can add a note tha tit is the cover of a different edition but with the same art (Assuming you confirm that it is the same art, Don). In fact I'll add the note now, and will remove both note and image if you prefer.
Michael, suppose User:Dsorgen had uploaded the same incorrect cover and had notified Don directly. I would surely have approved it -- I don't routinely hold cover uploads and query the uploaders "is that for the correct edition?" and wait for a reply. How would the current situation be different were User:Dsorgen more responsive? It is not as though a different, better image was lost -- there was no image linked previous to the upload. -DES Talk 14:16, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

The Last Coin cover

User:Dsorgen has uploaded a new cover image for your verified pub of The Last Coin. I am about to approve the pub edit. -DES Talk 22:23, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars cover uplaod

User:Dsorgen has uploaded a new cover image for your verified pub of The Sun, the Moon, and the Stars. I am about to approve the pub edit. -DES Talk 02:16, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Michaelmas by Budrys cover

User:Dsorgen has uploaded a new cover image for your verified pub of Michaelmas. I am about to approve the pub edit. ---DES Talk 03:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

cover on The Sunbound

Dsorgen has added a cover to your verified The Sunbound. --MartyD 00:13, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

cover for Orphan Star

Dsorgen has added a cover to your verified Orphan Star. --MartyD 10:01, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Cover for Moon Pool

User:Dsorgen has uploaded a new cover image for your verified pub of Moon Pool. I am about to approve the pub edit. By the way is the title on the title page actually "Moon Pool"? The cover shows "The Moon Pool". If the titel is correct shouldn't this be a VT? -DES Talk 16:04, 13 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes it is "THE Moon Pool". That one got by me. I have now fixed it.Don Erikson 21:58, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

price on Hunter's Oath

Should the price on this Hunter's Oath be C$6.99 instead of $6.99? --MartyD 11:09, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

cover art credit on Slipt

I accepted a submission changing the author credit from "Dan" Brautigan to "Don" Brautigan on your verified Slipt. Googling makes be believe the artist's name is indeed Don. I would have left it on hold, but I know your availability has been limited. Would you please double-check? Thanks. --MartyD 10:00, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

It is "Don" and not "Dan" as says the copyright page.Don Erikson 22:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

The Ginger Star

I added a cover scan to your verified pub. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:27, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

The Divine Talisman

I approved your edit of this pub, but shouldn't the entry by David Cain be interior art in stead of short fiction? --Willem H. 19:52, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Waited for a week, but no response. Changed the entry to interior art. If you don't agree, drop me a note. --Willem H. 08:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)
Sorry about the delay. It is an interior art entry.Don Erikson 22:03, 21 October 2010 (UTC)


I'm holding your edit of this pub. It wants to change the 5th printing into a 3rd. I suppose you meant to clone the pub. The note you added was "Stated 3rd printing as per number line. Price in Canada C$10.99" --Willem H. 19:34, 17 October 2010 (UTC)

I've canceled my edit and will redo it. Don Erikson 22:10, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Merritt's Face in the Abyss

Added cover image to this pub. Mhhutchins 05:21, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

We Who Survived

Linked a cover image to this pub. Mhhutchins 05:28, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

The Man Who Could Cheat Death

Linked a cover image to this pub. Mhhutchins 05:30, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

The Hole in the Zero

Linked a cover image for this pub. Mhhutchins 06:32, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

Hen's Eyes [2] in Great Science Fiction #7

I changed "Hen's Eyes [2]" by Finlay from SHORTFICTION to INTERIORART in your edit to Great Science Fiction, No. 7. --MartyD 11:12, 24 October 2010 (UTC)

Boutelle credit

I approved Beyond the End, but I notice both WorldCat and Google Books give "Miles" instead of "M." in the author's name. Mostly just FYI. I couldn't find any scans. I did find some biographical info but didn't add it in case you decide to change the credit. --MartyD 10:16, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

p.s. For the Federal Book Co. one, I did find: this citation. --MartyD 10:20, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Four of the five ABE dealers selling this book and The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No. 4 give it as just "M.", though the image of spine gives "C.M. Boutelle".Without any idea what the title page says, I think we need to go with what little information we have.Don Erikson 21:18, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Macdonald and Jane's

I changed the publisher on your Millennium submission from "Macdonald & Jane" to "Macdonald and Jane's", matching the WorldCat entry you cited and because we already had a bunch of pubs using the latter (and none the former). --MartyD 10:40, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

"Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said " and "The Suns of Scorpio"

I approved the additions of Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said and The Suns of Scorpio but changed the prices to C$xxx as they are Canadian editions. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:11, 31 October 2010 (UTC)

Note in The Rakehells of Heaven

Hi. In your new The Rakehells of Heaven, I see you propagated the comment about the cover artist. Assuming you're the only Don Erikson Michael might have been talking about in this, perhaps you should clear that note up on both editions -- either take credit for the observation or remove the comment that it might have been you if it was not? Just a thought. It was rather strange to see that part of the note in your own submission.... --MartyD 01:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

Yes these are my notes, from back when I was fairly new here. I plan someday to start again at the beginning of my collection to redo some entries now that I know more. I will change there Boyd entries now to fit my more educated style.Don Erikson 21:29, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Verification of "The Turning Place"

You're the verifier of the 1978 edition of The Turning Place. The content listing includes Some Notes on Sources, listed as an Essay. However, in looking at that item, it's a fictional account of things giving rise to the stories. E.g. Accord: This story is based on fact. The Sorchum family were the first ambassadors from Earth to Clord and did in fact reveal the new nature of Earth people to the Clordian government ... . As such, it seems that this should be listed as a shortstory, not as an essay. Chavey 03:49, 5 November 2010 (UTC)

You are correct. I was fooled be the title. I would change it but I don't know how to edit an entry that is in "gray" (and I don't even know what to call it (seems to me I'm the only one here to whom a computer is just a magic box that does miraculous things (and porn))). So I agree it should be changed but by somebody who actually knows what there doing.Don Erikson 21:48, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
I changed the content item (by going to the title record for that "gray" item and changing its type), then added a note about it being an "in-universe essay". Chavey 01:18, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Dune duplicate?

Hi. Your submission of a 9th Berkeley printing of Dune looks like it may be a duplicate of this entry. What do you think? --MartyD 22:44, 6 November 2010 (UTC)

Due to lack of response, I've rejected this submission as a duplicate of the existing verified entry. Please augment that entry with any additional details. Thanks. --MartyD 15:40, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
I'm guessing that with so many DUNE printings I just screwed it up.Don Erikson 21:55, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Artist spelling on The October Country

Hi. I have one of your The October Country submissions on hold. You've given the artist as "Whistli'n" Dixie. I think it should probably be "Whistl'n" or "Whistlin'", but we have both, so I can't guess which way to go. Or you could be right, of course! Which should it be? Thanks, --MartyD 02:19, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

To get this submission off hold, I changed the credit to "Whistl'n Dixie" based on some corroborating Google results. I also removed the cover image URL -- Amazon Look Inside shows that cover to be on a later printing, with the cover credited to Donna Diamond. --MartyD 15:17, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


You've Primary-Verified (along with others) Five-Odd, which currently has a note of "Source of cover art attribution not known.". I think I have the same edition, and mine says "Cover Painting by John Schoenherr" on the back cover. It is over-priced with a 3/6 edition for the British market, but that statement seems clearly printed on the book itself, which still claims to be printed in the USA. Do I have a different printing or did someone not look on the back cover? BLongley 23:32, 26 November 2010 (UTC)

My copy has the same attribution yours does, Bill. I was rather detail-impaired on some of my early verifications of existing entries. --MartyD 12:00, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
I updated the notes to reflect this, since all of the other verifiers concur. --MartyD 15:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Twilight Stories

I think we have the first edition here under the original title, are you sure there was an 1873 edition under the new title? BLongley 11:33, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

This one has already been resolved and the submission was accepted. Mhhutchins 21:14, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Charles Brumm's Ahasuerus

Just a note that approving your submission, I checked a half dozen online catalogs, expanded notes and added a synopsis to the Title record. Thanks! Ahasuerus 01:12, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Brunner's More Things in Heaven

I believe the submission adding a new edition to this title is a duplicate of this one. The only difference is the month of publication. The reason the other wasn't caught was because it's a variant of an earlier Brunner title The Astronauts Must Not Land. If you feel this is a duplicate, please delete the submission from your end. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:25, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

UK edition of Traveller in Black

Does the Whole SF Database give this the US spelling ("Traveler") or the British spelling ("Traveller")? According to OCLC, it should be "Traveller". Thanks Mhhutchins 22:35, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Same situation with the Magnum UK pb edition. Mhhutchins 23:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No.4 gives both these editions as with the US spelling but after seeing images of both they are UK spellings. I will change then.Don Erikson 22:10, 8 January 2011 (UTC)

Twenty Seconds Over New York

I accepted the submission adding this pub, but noticed that the price is in pounds and not dollars (I'm assuming this is for the US edition.) Looking at Reginald1, I see there was an earlier British edition for which I've created another record. You also gave the Reginald number for the US edition, which isn't listed in Reginald. Was the records somehow conflated? Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:23, 14 December 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed the price, though I don't know how I made that mistake as it take a lot more effort, comparatively, to do a UK price. The Reginald number I gave is what appears in The Whole Science Fiction Data Base No.4, I think it may be a typo so I will go back and remove it.Don Erikson 22:20, 8 January 2011 (UTC)