User talk:Bluesman/Archive13

Firstborn - Locus1 data

Hi, I've verified/edited this record from my copy of the book, but while trying to source credit for the cover artist, I was unable to find any record on Locus. The nearest to it is a US Ballantine Del Ray Jan 2008 edition under the '2007' tab. Since the Locus online record seems to end at 2007, is there another source of more recent data which you were able to use for your Locus1 verification? Thanks, Astrodan 09:23, 2 October 2015 (UTC)

I have the Locus CD_ROM which goes to mid-2009. The Afterword you added was missing Baxter as co-author which I fixed and such essays are dated by the edition in which they first appear, not when they were written. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:39, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for that. Astrodan 13:55, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Size doesn't matter (or does it ?)

Hi Bill. As you might have noticed, I had re-sized this image from 640 to 600 pixels, as regulations seem to imply this should be the norm (if I understood them correctly). Just for the record, and for my own understanding of the sometimes implicit rules of this database, could you enlighten me as to the reason of your revert ? TYIA, Linguist 20:38, 4 October 2015 (UTC).

Simply put, file size. Though the image was reduced in pixels, the file size actually went up [not a lot in this case, about 10kb??]. While we will never run out of pixels, the available storage space for the DB is finite. This peculiar rule was adopted when the DB was quite new and when pixels/file size were more tightly bound to each other. It's sad it hasn't been updated, strange that the warning about the file size doesn't come up until after an upload is attempted. With all the newer programs for manipulating images pixels and kbs have little to do with each other, so no, size [pixels] doesn't really matter. It's like comparing a cubic mile of pure vacuum to a cubic centimeter of neutronium ..... and only taking into account the dimensions. I'll get the usual storm of protest that "Da rules is da rules!!!" .... ah, well .... If you can reduce the size [pixels] of any image without losing the details that matter [prices/catalog #s/artist signatures/etc] AND reduce the file size, go for it, but don't sacrifice the data just for the ephemeral. A particular editor resized several hundred images from another editor but in each case the file size went up by at least 30%, but by golly "Da Rules" were being followed ................. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:37, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

Several thousands, I say ;-) Hauck 05:59, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. I'll try and make the most of it… :o) Linguist 09:48, 5 October 2015 (UTC).

No. No. No. Don't do it. By Bill's rationale, we could upload an image that is 2,000 pixels tall, as long as it was under 150 kb. No, that's wrong. The reason why we limited it to 600 pixels was to claim the fair-use stance and to protect copyrighted material, and that had nothing to do with server capacity. We had to make sure that copyright holders couldn't accuse of hosting files that could be used to create illegal copies. Someone (not me) determined that 600 pixels would be about the limit before our fair-use claim would be questioned. Most of us are staying within that limit, so there's no reason why all of us can't. Mhhutchins|talk 16:41, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

I am copying this to the Community portal to make sure that all editors are aware of the ISFDB policy. Mhhutchins|talk 16:42, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

The Long ARM of Gil Hamilton

Can you see if Del Rey is mentioned inside this printing? The cover logo gives the Del Rey imprint. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 23:33, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Same question for Prince of Annwn. Mhhutchins|talk 23:34, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Both do and the records are corrected [I didn't put them in like that, has someone been making changes at the publisher level?] As for the one below perhaps the link is incorrect as the record is of an unverified edition that I don't own. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:01, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

And this one. Mhhutchins|talk 23:49, 5 October 2015 (UTC)

Strange. Not sure why I asked you about that one. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 00:29, 8 October 2015 (UTC)

Alice's World

Hello, I've changed the author of your verified pub from Sam Lundwall to Sam J. Lundwall as per title page. Hauck 15:29, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

Okay! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:16, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

The Turing Option - details for clone?

Hi, I've got a copy of this which is almost identical to your PV1'd edition, here, except for the figure '1' being missing from the number line in mine, indicating a 2nd printing. Is that maybe a bit slim to base a decision on, for a match or not, on its own? The only other thing we could compare is the pricing; mine has "AUST $12.95" - what do you think? Thanks, Astrodan 23:50, 9 October 2015 (UTC)

You can clone the existing record, which by itself creates a separate record. The date would have to be 0000-00-00 unless you have some way of identifying even the year. In the price field put A$12.95, as that will identify the price as Australian [don't put AUST, not necessary]. The number line and the existence of the Australian pricing makes yours a distinct/separate edition, thus one in need of its own record. Even without the price a different printing requires a separate record. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:07, 10 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, now done, thanks. Astrodan 12:20, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Garan the Eternal

Please take a look at Garan the Eternal which you verified as a novel. I am wondering if it's a collection. The 1st through 5th printings are collections with a Jack Gaughan cover.

• Don Erikson has verified a 6th printing as a collection with a Jack Gaughan cover but did not include the short story contents. I'll send a message to him about that.
• You have 330688 which is a 7th printing with a Segrelles cover that DAW seems to have mistakenly labeled as a 6th printing. It's possible DAW changed from collection to novel when they changed the cover.
• ISFDB has 15070 which is for a 6th printing with a Segrelles cover with the record constructed from Locus1. This record is a duplicate publication from the one you have but as it's one of the early pub records I've left it in place as you may want to move your verification to this record.
• ISFDB has 15069 which is for the 8th printing with a Segrelles cover. This record was constructed from Locus1. ISFDB used to have a duplicate of this record as a novel with the same ISBN, price, etc. and also was credited to Locus1. I deleted that.

I have documented the 5th printing's copyright and contents pages at Publication:GRNTHTRNLS0000 so you can see if your 7th printing matches. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:26, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

There are no short story contents, only mention of previous portions on the copyright page. Presented in two parts with chapter headings. A fix-up, most likely, not sure that qualifies as a collection. And mine is a sixth printing, not seventh. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:54, 11 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Your version of the publication is a novel.

I noticed you also have the 4th printing. I'm pretty certain that should match the 5th printing which I have but none of the verifiers of the 4th printing have reported that it contains the short stories One Spell Wizard and Legacy from Sorn Fen. Could you please check that? Did DAW make the font and spacing much larger for your 6th printing? The 5th printing fits Garan the Eternal into pages 9 to 127 and is then followed by the short stories. Your 6th printing needs 206 pages for just Garan the Eternal. Is it a large type publication? :-)

I called your 6th printing the 7th because the numbering is:

1. 1st 156 page collection with Jack Gaughan cover.
2. 1st Canadian - 156 page collection with Jack Gaughan cover.
3. 3rd - 156 page collection with Jack Gaughan cover.
4. 4th - 156 page collection with Jack Gaughan cover. You have this.
5. 5th - 156 page collection with Jack Gaughan cover. I have this.
6. 6th - 156 page collection with Jack Gaughan cover.
7. 6th - 206 page novel with Segrelles cover. You have this.
8. 8th - 206 page novel with Segrelles cover.

--Marc Kupper|talk 05:12, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Error on my part. There are two short stories at the end. 6th printing font slightly larger than 1st/4th. Novel uses 170 pages. Shouldn't this be an omnibus as collections don't contain novels [?]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:55, 12 October 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I added the short stories to the 4th, 6th with Jack Gaughan cover, 6th with Segrelles cover, and 8th printing. I'll notify the various editors.

Please update the page numbers for your 6th with Segrelles cover. For sorting purposes I made them 171 and 172 based on your comment that the novel part used 170 pages. Does the Segrelles cover version have a table of contents or would someone only discover the short stories by checking the publication for them? We'll also need to fix the 8th page numbers to match.

I think collection vs. omnibus is a judgement call thing based on what I see at Template:PublicationFields:PubType. I tend to view the thing as containing four short stories; Garan Part 1 with chapters 1 to 5, Garan part 2 with the chapters starting over at 1 and running from 1 to 10, One Spell Wizard, and Legacy from Sorn Fen.

For now, I've left the Segrelles cover publication records as novels as it's a fair amount of pain to fix this and so I'd rather sort out the collection vs. omnibus issue first. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:28, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

The Dispossessed - Panther special overseas edition?

I have a rather tatty ?th-hand 1975 Panther/Granada pb copy of The Dispossessed, but really need to check it against another one before verifying. Would you have the copy which you secondary-verified here?, or does secondary-verification generally mean you don't own the book?

If you do have a copy, the copyright page details in my copy read as follows from the top:

Granada Publishing Limited

Special overseas edition published in 1975 by Panther Books Ltd

[...address details...]

First published in Great Britain by

Victor Gollancz Ltd 1974

Copyright © Ursula Le Guin 1974

[...printers details...]

[...legal warnings etc...]

I'd have thought that the 'Special overseas edition...' stuff was sufficiently unusual that the PV1 would have mentioned it if it was in his book, but he seems to have been absent from his talk page since February 2014 so I doubt I can ask him. All other details in my book match what's shown in the pub record, but without further comparison, I don't think I can be sure whether I have a separate edition or not. Thanks, Danny Astrodan 21:21, 14 October 2015 (UTC)

Mike is still around, I see his edits once in awhile, so leave a note on his page anyway, just in case? As for the edition in question, if I had it there would be a PV verification. That being said, there have been quite a number of "Special Overseas Editions", not just from Panther. Usually they are distinguished by lacking a price as they would have a sticker applied in the country of sale. This wasn't always true, but more often than not. Mike would likely have mentioned such a designation if it were there in his copy. At the moment, pending a reply from him, there is no harm in cloning and creating a separate record for your book. Be certain to note the Special Overseas Edition aspect. If he answers and you both have the same edition, the second record can be deleted. --~ Bill, Bluesman

00:10, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

Ok, I'll leave him a note now, and thanks for the info. Astrodan 06:59, 15 October 2015 (UTC)

May 1976 Analog

Please see this discussion regarding proposed changes to the May 1976 issue of Analog. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 23:43, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Feburary 1976 Analog

I'd like to make changes similar to those I'm proposing in the link above to the Feburary 1976 issue. Aside from making the editorial a variant crediting the parent title to Bova (again using Miller/Contento as my source), Kevin O'Donnell, Jr. story, while it does include the Jr. suffix in the table of contents has his name as simply Kevin O’Donnell on the title page. Let me know if you agree with the fixes. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 23:57, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Since no objection has been raised, I'm going to proceed. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 11:37, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

The End of All Songs - artist ID

I've added artist ID to the metadata of your PV1'd The End of All Songs, and a pub note for the sources. 15:02, 17 October 2015 (UTC) (Oops, must have hit five tiddleys there, not four...) Astrodan 15:35, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

August 1967 Analog

You're listed with two primary verifications for the August 1967 issue of Analog. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 14:47, 18 October 2015 (UTC)

The Legacy of Heorot - 'Pages' count amendment

Do you mind if I change the 'Pages' count in your PV4'd The Legacy of Heorot from "[11]+399+[1]" to "[11]+400", to deal with the last (unnumbered) page of the novel, as outlined in the help pages? Thanks, Astrodan 10:41, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

Rand De Mattei / Rand Di Mattei

Can you confirm the credits for this author(s) in issues of Omni? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 16:22, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

No link and I can't find any entries under the second version. Of the three under the first version the first one has been incorrectly changed. The credit IS to the spelling 'Di', both TOC and essay title page. I have no idea which of the two is the 'correct' one. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:34, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Transluminal: The Art of Jim Burns

Fyi, there were a few minor corrections to this pub. After this discussion I changed both pagenumbers. Cheers --Willem 18:29, 19 October 2015 (UTC)

The Wild Shore - maps in Content

I've added the two maps from the unnumbered pages at the front of the book to the Content section of your PV2'd The Wild Shore, and amended the 'Pages' count to allow them to have page numbers (pending agreement of PV1 Albinoflea). Astrodan 15:31, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

I went ahead and added some | to the new map numbers so they sort before the novel content. Thanks, Albinoflea

Zettel's The Quiet Invasion

I have a copy of the first edition to hand with a Warner Books Press Release giving the pub date as 2000-02-09. A small detail, sure, which I'll add if it's OK with you. PeteYoung 02:50, 22 October 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely. Far as I'm concerned those are the best [and only] source for specific dates. I still can't believe how many records we have citing the day from Amazon.com ..... worst bibliographic source on the planet ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:25, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Clarke County, Space - artist question?

Hi, checking my copy of Allen Steele's Clarke County, Space against your PV2'd edition (in absence of PV1 Blongley), I think there may be a problem with the artist ID. Both your PV2'd edition and mine state "Illustration JULIAN BAUM" ("Illustration JULIAN BAUM SCIENCE PHOTO LIBRARY" on mine), while Locus1 and the hc edition credit the cover to David A. Hardy.

While David A. Hardy is a long-familiar artist, and our covers do look like his work, I'd never heard of Julian Baum before trying this verification. Is it possible that he is connected to the business side of Science Photo Library in supplying the artwork for the book, and was incorrectly credited instead of David A. Hardy, as the original artist?

If you agree, I'm happy to change the Artist1 field, and attach appropriate pub note (unless you'd prefer to.) Astrodan 00:29, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. The credit on the paperback is likely correct if Baum has acquired access to Hardy's work, as an agent maybe?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:24, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

A Wizard of Earthsea

Cover artist of this Ace 1973 edition is Joseph Lombardero, according to Diamond Bay Research. (That site gives Warren Roth Gallery as source, with a site that no longer exists, but they still sell Lombardero art on ebay). Horzel 14:20, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

Cover artist for 1988 edition of Taylor's The Call of the Sword

Hello, Bill! Mark Harrison was credited for this artwork on a german edition of Le Guin's The Beginning Place (see here); I have added him and accompanying notes to these editions. Christian Stonecreek 18:48, 27 October 2015 (UTC)

All Judgement Fled - artist ID

I've amended the pub note about the cover art of your PV2'd All Judgement Fled, to show John Harris as the artist. Astrodan 14:49, 29 October 2015 (UTC)

Cover art credit

I have not been on this site for a long time, so I had to have help finding you. [thanks to Mhhutchins] You are in the verification section for Marion Zimmer Bradley's "The Sword of Aldones", Ace 79200 from 1976. The listing does not credit the cover artist. I was browsing Pinterest and found a scan of the original art. Michael Whelan's distinctive signature is bottom center, just below the man's left foot. The book cover crops this off. How can credit be given in a case like this. I did not find the art on his web site either. Sfbooks52 23:27, 9 November 2015 (UTC)

I don't know what 'Pinterest' is. The image should have an URL. I'd just put a link in the notes for the credit. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:12, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Perry Rhodan 70

The title of this publication is corrupted, could you restore it? Thanks. Horzel 21:33, 11 November 2015 (UTC)

I have corrected the title. Mhhutchins|talk 08:13, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

September 1977 Analog

I'm making a few changes to the September 1977 issue of Analog:

• Adding volume and issue number to the notes.
• Varianting the editorial to Bova (per Miller/Contento)
• Adding missing illustrations
• Changed the author of "Have You Been Converted?" to "Rachel Cosgrove" as she is credited on the title page.

Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 03:09, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Richard Volkomir or Wolkomir

Can you confirm the credit for this work? There are other pieces in Omni that was credited as "Wolkomir". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 17:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Someone fixed it already. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:09, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Robert Edmund Alter or Robert Edmond Alter

Can you confirm the credit of this work? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 17:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Spelled Edmond in acknowledgements and TOC but Edmund on the story title page. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:06, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Roger Zelazny's "Guns of Avalon"

I had hoped to update the notes for this pub for which you are a primary verifier. The details are in this discussion. Doug 20:33, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

looks like it's been 'fixed'?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:02, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

No, the entry is still incorrect. I'd been waiting for you and Teddybear to have a chance to respond. My pile of books is now down to two, this being one and I planned in the next few days to 'fix' the problem and leaving a note that I'd done so with the three of you. So still a chance to avoid my meddling in something you've verified. Doug 13:32, 15 December 2015 (UTC)

Cover for Merritt's Dwellers in the Mirage

You had uploaded this image as a cover for A. Merritt's Dwellers in the Mirage and the image was attached to the first printing. I don't think that jacket is for the 1932 Liveright printing. There are several copies available for sale online that have a different cover which was also reprinted here. That cover is also offered by Facsimile Dust Jackets which shows the full jacket including the publisher name on the spine. Further, the image that you uploaded is signed (Mj?C) and date "63" which makes it unlikely to be the jacket for the 1932 printing. I'm not 100% certain that you added the link to the image to that publication record. The metadata with the image points to a publication record that doesn't exist in the database. I'm wondering if perhaps you had intended this scan to go with a different printing. However, I can't find any printing that seems to be a match. I'm going to replace the image for the 1932 printing, but will not delete your scan in case you can recall which printing it belongs with. I also noticed that we've got Virgil Finlay listed as the artist, for the 1932 edition. I also think this is incorrect. None of the secondary sources that you've verified mention Finlay and again, I'm not certain that you were responsible for that data. I'm going to remove his credit. I'll leave a note in the Wiki that we had the data there once. I have to believe that if Finlay had done a dust-jacket, it would have been reprinted somewhere. There certainly have been plenty of Finlay collections lately. Let me know if the Finlay credit was you. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 13:32, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

Six + years ago .... no memory of this. Obviously it went with a different record, but no clue. Is there a '63 hardcover edition it could go with [odd there's no publisher on the spine]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:00, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

The History of Middle Earth

As a verifier of one of the volumes of The History of Middle Earth, I would like to ask your input on an issue of authorship. Most of the title records for volumes in this series list both J. R. R. Tolkien and Christopher Tolkien as authors. Two do not (Vols. 1 and 10). Christopher is credited with editorship on the title pages, but his contributions go well beyond those of the average editor. On the other hand, strictly speaking an editor of a collection is not given author status on ISFDB. The exception to this rule that has given Christopher author status for most of these books is likely a judgment by ISFDB editors that the fraction of content he has contributed to these books warrants it.

Please see <a href="http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Tolkien_-_Book_of_Lost_Tales_Vol._1">this entry</a> at the help desk for arguments on both sides.

I would like to get your opinion on this, so that a consensus can be reached and all of the volumes be credited in a consistent way. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Ldb001 19:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

I have neither Vol 1 nor 10. I have no problems with co-authorship as none of these would even exist without the work of CHristopher. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:57, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Vacant PV1s

Bill, I’m shifting some books so I’m moving many verifications to ‘Transient’. If you want to take over the higher PV slot at Donovan’s Brain and Star of Ill-Omen, you’re welcome. More to come, inevitably! PeteYoung 10:38, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

Ok, changed the first but you're still 'clinging' to the second ..... ;-)))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:52, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Whoops. Vacant now. PeteYoung 08:38, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Also Capella's Golden Eyes... PeteYoung 17:56, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Plus Classic Science Fiction Stories... PeteYoung 18:36, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Price on God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian

Bill, my 3rd printing of God Bless You, Dr. Kevorkian has a UK price of £11.99 on the inside front cover. Does your verified 1st printing really have a higher price of £12.99? Thanks for checking this detail. PeteYoung 17:35, 9 December 2015 (UTC)

I'm sure it does, though my brother has 'borrowed' the book for about four years ...... and he lives in Vancouver. I'll bug him! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:49, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Bayley's The Zen Gun

Bill, is there an essay in your verified copy of Barrington J. Bayley's The Zen Gun called The Recessive Hypothesis on page 154? If so, it's now in the db to import to your pub. Thanks. PeteYoung 21:35, 10 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it is there. Never noticed it before. Import done. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:46, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

Prydain Stories illustrations

From a contemporary review (1973) i submitted publication date 1973-11-12 for The Foundling and Other Tales of Prydain first edition, and its interior illustrations by Margot Zemach that you primary verified as part of the 1991 Prydain omnibus. --Pwendt|talk 23:58, 12 December 2015 (UTC)

Recently i added some of the Prydain maps (4 of probably 5) by Evaline Ness as interior illustrations for the 1999 matching set and (1 published so far) recent 50th Anniversary Ed. They are credited and dated (eg, (c) 1964 Evaline Ness) on the copyright pages of the 1999 set and the one extant 50th Anniv.

For the 1991 Prydain omnibus publication we date the uncredited maps to the first publication years of the five novels.

I have supposed that I would soon merge uncredited Prydain maps, and those with different generic titles assigned by ISFDB editors, with those by Evaline Ness. (I have not read instructions on how to do that technically. I do expect to examine first editions but I do have early paperback editions in a box somewhere, presumably with five two-page maps that I might compare with those published 1999 and 2014, etc.)

By the way I wonder whether it is worthwhile to enter publication month and date in the database, form[from] a source such as [that] contemporary Kirkus Review [linked at top]. At least for a publication with multiple components, that may involve a lot of editing and merging and notifying of other editors. (Still in the queue as i write, this is what i submitted after reading the Kirkus Review of The Foundling --not yet including the illustrator altho she is named on the cover image [ISFDB cover image, not Kirkus]). --Pwendt|talk 00:20, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

If there are changes to be made just be sure and note the sources. As for the dates we always give the date of the first appearance. I'm not sure which edition you're referring to as far as the Kirkus review. Personally I don't like specific dates [to the day] from any other source than the Publishers' Review slips. But then I've never read a Kirkus Review ..... --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:39, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

I don't care much about publication day or month. Let me focus on publication year, with merger of records in the background. I resist comment on the wisdom of one policy or another.

"Date of first appearance"? Does the 1991 Prydain omnibus date the Author's Note (by L.A. of course) or the map (uncredited) for each of the Prydain books it collects? Does it date the "Guide to Pronunciation" (uncredited) 1991, same as the omnibus publication year --or leave the latter undated as well as uncredited, where 1991 means simply that we don't know whether any previous Prydain publication includes the same Guide? And does it do so by policy or by mistake? Or do we by policy date author's notes, maps, etc, by the original publication dates of novels and other books, as if they were contemporary?

There are no less than five Author's Notes, one for each novel and the 'collection' has an About the Author note [which I never bother to put into contents]. The Notes are in the front of each of the five novels but at the back of the collection. I don't think any of them belong as separate contents in the Omnibus as they should already be included in any editions of the novels/collection. It would be very unusual for the SFBC to spend penny one on original additions for such an Omnibus. However I have NONE of the original editions to compare, and without that the only date available if that of the Omnibus. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:35, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

You and Nihonjoe are the two primary verifiers of the Prydain omnibus and I posted the same item on both talk pages (without notice of that replication). I suppose that one of wrote our Note on "Author's Note (Taran Wanderer)" Title 1580404. (Having no special privileges, I have no access to any history that identifies the editor. Right?) Anyway, do you agree with the sentiment? We date this Author's Note 1967 (same as first edition of the novel) but list it as content of one 1991 publication only. For Taran Wanderer we have two more author's notes, Title 1942459 (created by me this month) and Title 1024449. The latter carries date 1980 (first printing of this edition of the novel), is listed as content of one 1984 publication only, and gives the same caution against merger without comparison. What changes would you make without examination of any of the books?

None. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:35, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Nihonjoe replied (now archived User talk:Nihonjoe/Archive 3#Prydain Stories illustrations) replied about the maps in particular, and instructed no merger without comparison. No comment on the dates, and I did not follow up regarding our assignment of 1960s dates, so I don't know whether our record of the omnibus carries the early dates because the omnibus dates each item, or merely by convention to use uniformly the first publication years of the novels they illustrate.

P.S. Kirkus reviews new works almost exclusively. Anyway the review linked in my lead sentence above is contemporary to the first edition (1973) and those details are almost always explicit in the online archive. --as in this instance, published with footer including: "Review Posted Online: Oct. 27th, 2011"; "Kirkus Reviews Issue: Nov. 1st, 1973".

--Pwendt|talk 18:46, 31 December 2015 (UTC)

Washington Irving story/essay mismatches

Re your recently verified record of this publication: there are conflicts between the types of six of the stories' variant and parent titles as seen on this clean-up report. It appears to have happened when the titles from the collection you added were merged with existing titles, some of which had variant titles of a different type. I'm not sure if they're short story or essay, so I'll leave it to you to determine the correct type and make the parents and variants match. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 08:02, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, last thing I was doing from yesterday when I ran out of steam. Fixed. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:46, 14 December 2015 (UTC)

The Best of James H. Schmitz

I added specific entries for the interior art. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 03:36, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

OK I don't have the edition so such a notice is unnecessary. Green??¿¿?? ;-)))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:51, 18 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I just noticed you had done a verification on it after editing the record and didn't look to the left to see which one (Locus1). Sorry about that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 02:12, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Marshall Srisman or Arisman

Can you confirm the artist credit for this record? Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 19:22, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Didn't even have to look, just a typo. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:33, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

New Writings in SF 27 cover credit

User Horzel found the cover artist of New Writings in SF 27. I added the artist and a note about the source. Cheers! --Willem 19:51, 19 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:34, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

Meeting Infinity

Hello, I've made some small changes to our verified here, e.g. changing "Banjanun" to "Benjanun", "Ing" to "Ings" and disambiguating the About the Authors essay. Hauck 17:13, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for catching the typos. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:17, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Maty Jo Lawrence

Your verified The Best of TREK® #2 contains an essay (page 106) by Maty Jo Lawrence. Your verified The Best of TREK® #4 contains an essay (page 162) by Mary Jo Lawrence. Is Maty a typo? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:27, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it was. Corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:06, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Pohl's Star Science Fiction

I'm going to expand the notes to several volumes of Pohl's Star Science Fiction series, by adding the catalog numbers for Reginald and Bleiler's Guide to Supernatural Fiction. I intend to update 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 6. There is also a note on the first volume stating that Worldcat does not have a record for the paperback printing. This may have been true when the note was added. However, this record now exists. That record gives a size of 18cm. While Worldcat seldom specifies binding, they do for the hardcover edition which lists a size of 19cm. Presumably the records for the smaller books are for the paperback. I'll therefore replace that note as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 17:42, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I do not see the need for the catalog #s from any printed source. I insert them for OCLC because a single volume could have dozens of records and the ones our main 'link' sometimes points to are barely records at all [and if there's no ISBN, points to nothing]. But a printed source only has one per edition. If one has the reference book the record is easily found, if one doesn't, what good is the number? --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:52, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

It's just a cross reference as is used in bookseller listings (e.g. this one from Currey), and some LOC and Worldcat records. I'm also aware of other editors adding them when appropriate. Are you suggesting that this data be prohibited? --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 19:19, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

Such numbers add no disambiguation from anything. And they add no bibliographic data. The only time for something in the notes regarding a secondary printed source is if the book/source disagree. Agreement is implicit in the check-mark under Verified. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:34, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

I'll take that as an implied "yes" to my question about prohibiting the addition of record numbers. I've started this discussion to see what the larger community thinks. I've tried not to characterize your objection, leaving it to you to make your case there. Thanks.

Possible Typos

Would you mind double checking these possible typos?

• asteriod - Discovery on Asteriod X-72 in Boris Vallejo & Julie Bell: The Ultimate Collection
• Reviw & Millenium - A Vade Mecum for the Third Millenium: A Reviw of the New SFWA Handbook in Plumage from Pegasus
• techology - Plausibility of the Star Trek Universe and Techology in The Best of TREK® #6

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:34, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, all typos, but I'll only admit to two [I don't enter content in art books]. ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:04, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Here's another one you won't have to admit to ;-), but as the the primary verified is not active:

• vengence - Vengence of Orion review in Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, October 1988

Much appreciated. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:03, 1 January 2016 (UTC)

Study War No More

I added the cover artist and a note about the source to this verified pub. Cheers! --Willem 10:47, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

works for me! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:50, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Saint Orick

I added this to the Golden Queen series due to the note at the top of the entry in Raygun Chronicles. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:19, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

A Plague of Pythons

According to this Noreascon 4 page, the cover artist of this book is Ralph Brillhart. Thanks. Horzel 10:22, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

According to Jane Frank's The Art of Richard Powers it's not Brillhart. Doesn't look like his style, either. Amended the notes citing Frank as the source. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:11, 15 January 2016 (UTC)

Alas, Jane Frank is wrong. Look at this site by the owner of the original art. Brillhart's signature can also just be read at the bottom of the original art! And Brillhart did more covers like this, see here and here. Horzel 22:16, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

I almost missed this! Good sleuthing! I have amended the record and embedded an image of the original painting in the notes. Ms Frank isn't often wrong but has missed a few. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Artist found

Hello, artist for this pub has been found. Hauck 16:35, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Hervé. The style almost looks out of place [and time] from the other book covers shown. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:06, 16 January 2016 (UTC)

Mind Of My Mind

Artist of this novel's cover is John Blanche, see his site. Horzel 12:52, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Same for Sword of the Demon, I'm going to make the change.Hauck 13:58, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Nice! Think there's more than just two covers there. --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Paladin / Grafton

There are two records which you have primary verified, each having a unique publisher name (there are no other records for either publisher): Whores of Babylon from "Paladin / Grafton" and Life During Wartime from "Paladin / Grafton Books". Is it possible that they should be listed as from the same publisher, or could they just be entered as Paladin, like several other books (like this one and this one from the same time period) which you have PV'd. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 17:56, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

All four have exactly the same title page credit: Paladin | Grafton Books, so I've made all four the same. It's almost like a double imprint, Paladin is the paperback imprint of Grafton Books which is an imprint of Collins. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:01, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

The Werewolf Principle

Cover art of this is by Ian Miller, according to this visual encyclopedia. Page 94-95 in my Dutch edition. Thanks. Horzel 22:26, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Knew it was Miller, just no source until now! Thanks. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:02, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Tarzan the Terrible

In my verified copy of Tarzan the Terrible I've used "Map of Pal-Ul-Don" as it's the actual title at the top of the map. Do you have any objection to my varianting your secondary verification(s) [1], [2], [3] to the "Map of Pal-Ul-Don" title? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 07:02, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

I only verified [secondarily] one of the three, and since that means I don't have a copy I therefore have no opinion on the maps. If you have a copy it's never necessary to notify/ask permission from secondary verifiers as book-in-hand trumps all other sources. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:32, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Bill. Doug / Vornoff 03:31, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

"A Partial and Conjectural History of Dr. Mueller's Panoptical Cartoon Engine"

Could you please confirm that the name "Mueller" is spelled that way in "A Partial and Conjectural History of Dr. Mueller's Panoptical Cartoon Engine", which appeared in your verified Wikiworld? The standalone version from the same publisher uses "Meuller" on the cover. TIA! Ahasuerus 19:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Indeed it is Meuller! I have a few German friends with the last name spelled Mueller, perhaps that was the 'blind spot'. Corrected all over the place, now! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:38, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Great, thanks! Ahasuerus 00:51, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Dean Ellis

is the artist of this pub. --Zapp 20:57, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Source?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:06, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Munchkinpress.com shows the (unsigned) original. Use Google (Images): dean ellis site:munchkinpress.com, and you'll find it. Horzel 15:44, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

Arthur H. Landis / Camelot

Your input would be appreciated here. Thanks. PeteYoung 05:05, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Visions by Royo

I added content to another edition of Visions that the one you verified. Please feel free to import the content if you wish. Bob 04:06, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

Original art image files

Re this file: "Fair Use", our legal rationale for hosting copyrighted images for book covers, doesn't cover images of the original art. This file should be deleted from the ISFDB server as it opens us up to charges of copyright violation. Mhhutchins|talk 22:29, 2 February 2016 (UTC)

The book, and therefore the cover, are both out of copyright. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:07, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

That's not true. Books aren't copyrighted. The works that they publish are copyrighted: the text, the art, etc. But let's say for a moment that the book is "out of copyright". It would still be outside of the ISFDB policy to host art, just as it would be to host any works, text or art, copyrighted or not. And even if the cover was "out of copyright", that doesn't mean the artwork isn't copyrighted. Mhhutchins|talk 17:43, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

The cover art is copyrighted separately from the book, and the copyright extends for the life of the artist + 70 years. Since the cover artist died in 2007, the copyright will expire in 2077. Chavey 08:58, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Forthcoming publications

I changed the publication date of this record to "9999", per ISFDB standards regarding publications which are scheduled more than 90 days away.

Piglia in Omni

Could you double check the credit for the two illustrations by Piglia in the November 1992 issue of Omni, pages 58 & 59. I just added a credit for a "Paola Piglia". If the two credits are different we can add notes that they may be the same artist to their wiki pages. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 17:03, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Typo, corrected now. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:08, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Assignment in Space with Rip Foster (paperback listing)

Hi. I'd like your OK & help to do two cleanups to the publications under this title http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?896622:

1. I can find no evidence that there is a paperback edition of this title, so believe we should delete http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?265795. I see you did the reference verifications on this listing. However, it's not clear what was verified since the listing is internally inconsistent: it says Binding is "pb", but includes the note, "Library edition with art directly printed on the boeards [sic]". I checked OCLC and it doesn't specify a binding. I checked bookfinder.com and there is no softcover/paperback copy being offered anywhere on the internet.

2. Two of us have primary verified the (correct) hardcover publication of this title, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?545366, but nobody has done the reference verifications. If convenient, could you please add those verifications?

Thanks in advance for your help and guidance. Markwood 19:11, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

The 'pb' binding was an error. I think Don may have cloned that record to create the 'hc' listing. Should all be cleared up now. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Markwood 19:38, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

COVERART changes

You loaded the cover image for this Ace Double pub of The Crossroads of Time (Norton) with Mankind on the Run (Dickson). The link to the second image is incorporated in the notes and I'm assuming you loaded it as well. Would this be a candidate for the Multiple COVERART changes? Doug 19:49, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

In what possible way?? There's only one artist of just the main cover displayed, the second cover does not have an artist credit. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:54, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I've not tried it, just followed some of the discussion, but doesn't the new approach allow for multiple cover art entries? Or was that just multiple artists for the same coverart? Doug 13:29, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Read all the threads for the changes, and think if there were two separate artists, or even one artist who had done both covers, then a 'split' would make sense. With this particular one, to create a second attribution it would have to be to 'uncredited' which doesn't really accomplish much ... --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:18, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Crashing Suns

Cover art for this is (of course) by Ed Valigursky, according to this art site (shows original, no signature). Thanks. Horzel 11:32, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

ISBN-13 on a 2003 publication

This publication showed up on a cleanup report because of the ISBN-13. I changed it to the ISBN-10. Mhhutchins|talk 17:14, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Both OCLC and BLIC list the ISBN 13 first, as is their practice when it's on the book. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:35, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Then they're wrong. ISBN-13 didn't exist in 2003. Mhhutchins|talk 18:28, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

Flood by Stephen Baxter

Hi, Bill. In your verified pub of the above, I noticed the Rostant cover is dated 2002 when the earliest pub is 2009. There's another set of covers for 'Flood' by Richard Doyle (primarily unverified but with other verifications by you) that IS dated 2002 for its earliest cover. Could there be some kind of mix-up there. I noticed it because it shows up as a duplicate for Larry Rostant. Should there be a note disambiguating the two titles? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 02:31, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Looks like someone merged them at some point, then they were unmerged without changing the date on the later cover/title. I'm thinking it was about a year or so [maybe longer] ago that a new feature was added when cover art titles were being merged so that one could see all the images. That didn't use to be the case and way too many cover art titles were merged when they weren't the same. Changed the date for the Baxter cover and added a note to that title. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I figured something like that happened. Looks good now. Doug / Vornoff 07:17, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Need help identifying an edition

I have a copy of A World Out of Time, similar to this edition that you verified. My problem is that there is no SFBC number or anything much else. The gutter code on page 213 is H18. On the back flap are the numbers 3 1 9 6. I would be grateful to you if you could tell me if this edition is already listed or If I should add another.--Auric 13:24, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

You have what is probably the second printing of [this] SFBC edition. As noted the first known printing has gutter code G50. H18 would put your printing in May 1977. I've added your code to the line listing "Known reprint codes". There is still the Transient spot open if you want to verify it, also you could add [verified] after the code like it is with the "I41" reprint. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:51, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Classics of Modern Science Fiction

When you get a chance, could you please review this discussion, which affects your verified pubs? TIA! Ahasuerus 18:20, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

The Art of Jim Burns: Hyperluminal

I would like to add content to Hyperluminal that you verified. Unless you object, I'll start doing so later this week. Bob 03:29, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

Ernst Fuchs art for Omni

Hi, Bill! The one cover art one can see for this artist seems to be by this Ernst Fuchs (see also here), and since the other interior artworks also appeared in Omni, I'd guess that this is the man behind them. Would you like to shed some more light into this (provided the copies are somehow in reach)? Christian Stonecreek 09:09, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you're asking. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:22, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Well, my question is if there's any note on the artist to be found in Omni, or, if not, if you'd think that all the art was created by one and the same Ernst Fuchs. Chritian Stonecreek 04:41, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

OMNI doesn't do notes very often. Sometimes for a cover. I'll check it tomorrow. --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:47, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Note for the Omni cover includes: "The drawing was done in 1975 by the dean of the Vienna School of Fantastic Realism, Ernst Fucks" and is title The Threshold of Contemplation. Any help? As for any interior artwork, unless OMNI was doing a feature all you get is a name. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:57, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! There still was the chance that this was in fact another Fuchs, but that most certainly percludes it. I just recently saw a note that he died, wondered if we had any work by him, and found that the only candidates were published in a certain magazine. Christian Stonecreek 05:24, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

February 1970 Venture

I'm adding the missing illustration on page 85 of the February 1970 issue of Venture Science Fiction Magazine. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 12:59, 17 February 2016 (UTC)

There's a pending submission ...

... that would affect on of your publications. It's by Scbaker for chnaging the title Fugue in a Minor Way. Christian Stonecreek 05:27, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Wilson Cartoon in F&SF

I'd like to change the title of the Gahan Wilson cartoon on page 93 of the April 1971 issue of F&SF by replacing the disambiguation with the caption as per our standards. I've started a discussion on Michael's talk page. Probably best to reply there if you have any objections. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 13:46, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Time's Last Gift 1985

The data gives 352 pages for this book, see [[4]]. The exact number of pages is however 252. Zlan52 01:32, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Corrected! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:53, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

July 1977 F&SF

I'm making two changes to the July 1977 issue of The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction. I'm correcting the page number for "Jeffty Is Five" to page 8. We had it on page 5. I'm also changing the title of the Silverberg essay to "Harlan". We had it as "Harlan Ellison". Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 14:52, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Story 'Triangle' missing in record for Bradbury's collection 'The Cat's Pajamas'?

Hi, I just made submissions for the German translation of your primary-verified collection The Cat's Pajamas. The German version contains a story called 'Dreieck' whose English title is 'Triangle', however 'Triangle' isn't included in the record for 'The Cat's Pajamas' right now (I just made a submission for the German title which will create a 'Triangle' parent title). Did you probably overlook this story? Jens Hitspacebar 19:52, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Sort of, it's not listed in the TOC, but it's now in the contents [though certainly non-genre]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:02, 20 February 2016 (UTC)

Missing price for Strange Stories of the Supernatural

Strange Stories of the Supernatural was showing a price of "$" without an amount. I fixed this to be $2.95 and added a note about the Canadian price using Abebooks 17862278077's cover image as a source. While you did not verify the publication I see that you uploaded a cover image for it meaning it's possible you were about to verify this but then got distracted. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:34, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

The Puppet Masters

Hi, the cover artist for this is Roger Dean, the original art is shown on page 82 of Views. Thanks. Horzel 23:14, 21 February 2016 (UTC)

Added, and I have the Dean book, just haven't gone through it in any detail. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:47, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Gold the Man

Hello, artist was found for your verified pub. Hauck 06:31, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! It's right next to the painting for the above post. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:48, 22 February 2016 (UTC)

The Coins of Murph

Cover artist to this is Colin Hay, since it's the same art as on Die Letzten der Menschheit. See also here for confirmation of that cover art credit. Horzel 22:54, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. All fixed up. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:58, 25 February 2016 (UTC)

Act of God

After my inquiery about this verified pub here the note was changed from "The artist is not credited, the artwork is clearly signed" to "The artist is credited on copyright page". Can you check your copy too? Thanks, --Willem 20:36, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

Indeed, in great huge block letters!!! Senior moment??¿¿?? ................... --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:44, 2 March 2016 (UTC)

A Pilgrim at the Edge of the World

You have verified On Spec, Summer 2013 containing A Pilgrim at the Edge of the World and Casserole Diplomacy and Other Stories: An On Spec 25th Anniversary Retrospective containing Pilgrim at the Edge of the World. Would you mind double checking the presence/absence of the "A" and variant/merge or add notes stating these are different stories as appropriate? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:15, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Good catch! Both records were correct, variant in place. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:21, 3 March 2016 (UTC)

Cover image file uploads

Please keep your uploads within the standards established by the group (both file size and image size), or start a discussion on a community page requesting that exceptions should be made for your uploads. Mhhutchins|talk 19:29, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

The 1988 Annual World's Best SF

I have left a question about The 1988 Annual World's Best SF at Publication:WBSF1988. If you have the publication handy and it's one with a table of contents could you please explain the pagination at Publication:WBSF1988? Also, do you have two copies? I noticed you primary-verified it on 2009-12-14 and again on 2011-07-27. Thank you. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:45, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

You misquoted the record note which simply says there is no Table of Contents, nothing about a binding error or assuming some copies might have a TOC. And there's only one PV for me, the other is OCLC. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:24, 8 March 2016 (UTC)

Man of Earth

I am shifting Man of Earth from being by Algis Budrys to be by A. J. Budrys as we should be using the author name that's credited on the title page. Template:PublicationFields:Author has "The name should be entered exactly as it actually appeared in the publication." and "As with the title, take the name from the title page in preference to the cover or spine of the book." I'm also adding a note The back cover has "This is an original publication–not a reprint." --Marc Kupper|talk 07:48, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Remington's The Two Towers & The Return of the King Covers

Would you please take a look at Cover: The Two Towers and Cover: The Return of the King? See the "missing" coverart (no pictures, just a "Coverart" link)? From a sampling, you deleted the wiki images, but did not remove the links from the pubs. Did you mean to remove the coverart? Some of the ones that were deleted were from verified pubs. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:17, 12 March 2016 (UTC)

Certainly not intentional. I replaced the cover art for only one edition each, and those were ones I cloned for as-yet not-entered Canadian editions. If the original image had been used for multiple editions then the new image should simply have replaced those as well. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:30, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Digging into it more, I see that for Cover: The Two Towers, all the pubs with missing covers link to Image:THTWTWRS1965.jpg which you deleted on 02 March. For Cover: The Return of the King, all the pubs with missing covers link to Image:RTRNKNG1965.jpg which you also deleted on 02 March. I'm guessing you deleted an image and then uploaded a replacement? If the pub was linking to an image that wasn't at the default pub id, but then you uploaded using the upload button, it would have gone to a new page. Therefore, all the others that used the same link as the one deleted were then broken. Anyhow, probably easier just to restore those two images unless you want to edit all those pubs to have them point to a different image. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:44, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Restoring sounds simplest. All the early printings had identical covers. I'll re-visit after that and just [this time] update ONE!! :-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:48, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

Restored. Thanks! -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:08, 13 March 2016 (UTC)

John Fey or John Fay

The illustration for the the story Prott in the January 1953 issue of Galaxy is credited to John Fey in our records, whereas the credit in the magazine is as "John Fay". I'd like to correct this, but I wanted to verify that the credit is also "Fay" in the UK edition which you have verified. I'd be surprised if it were. Let me know, and I'll correct all the affected records at once. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 01:14, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Quite buried. The UK editions were straight reprints, correct away. --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:54, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

John Hallis Mason or John Hollis Mason

Can you confirm the author credit of this story? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 20:33, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

'Hollis' and corrected. Seems to be the only appearance .... --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:38, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

John Kaufman or Kaufmann

Can you confirm the cover art credit and the interior art credit for this publication? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 20:43, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Two 'n's, corrected as well. Can't speak to the 2010 listings under Kaufman. Unlikely they're by the same person 35 years apart, unless reprints? --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:49, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Those 2000s records appeared in the same periodical (Black Gate), and are either reprints or a different artist. I'll ask the primary verifier to see if there is any evidence that they're the same artist. Mhhutchins|talk 20:54, 15 March 2016 (UTC)

Tim Kirk & Zorin cover art credits

The interior artwork for Conan the Rebel(# 199705 ) is by Tim Kirk, but the cover art is by "Zorin", see the signature (and the syle) . Same for the other version of the same pastiche by Bantam ( # 271658). A lot of other covers are credited to Kirk while they are from Zorin who isn't referenced on ISFDB. He did a few other covers such as Conan the Swordsman (Bantam,1978).

The image does show the signature! So, those two are corrected. It's easier to find if a link is provided in the post as the isfdb record number is not 'searchable'. If you had only put that and no title, I couldn't have found it. Above the dialogue box that opens for posts there are 11 'tabs'. The third one is for inserting a link. If you copy the url for the record onto your clipboard and then click the third tab you can then paste that url into the post. When you are done with a post, the second last 'tab' [looks like a squiggle] is for 'signing' the post. Click that and your user name and the date/time will be added at the end of the comment. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:53, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

World Without Men

I've added cover artist Robert A. Osborne to your verified publication, based on signature RAO. Horzel 13:07, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

And another one bites the dust!! Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:45, 22 March 2016 (UTC)

Duplicate ISBN

Can you confirm the ISBN of this publication? It's a duplicate of the ISBN used for another Herbert title (The Eyes of Eisenberg). Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins|talk 02:27, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

That's what's on the copyright page. In every later printing that still uses the catalog #S1864, the SBN is corrected to that from the first printing. I'll amend the record slightly. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:29, 23 March 2016 (UTC)

Double Phoenix

Another editor, Ravonlocke, submitted an edit to change the editor the US printing of Double Phoenix. He attempted to change the editor from Lin Carter to Edmund Cooper and Roger Lancelyn Green, stating that Carter is not credited as editor. He is correct about the credit. However, Carter is certainly the editor of the anthology, and Reginald1 lists him as such indicating that the anthology was edited anonymously. I intend to change the editor to "uncredited" and make a variant relationship showing Carter as the actual editor. You have verified the Canadian printing, which I believe is essentially identical to the US. Let me know if you are OK with my making the same changes to your record. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 12:39, 26 March 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, fine. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Silicon Valley

What was the reason for deleting the publication record for this title and then adding a new one? (Actually a stub record that I have fleshed out.) By doing so, it created an unlinked review which I had to subsequently re-link. Mhhutchins|talk 20:01, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

It's non-genre and I hit delete just as the review flashed up. Re-entered it but the review did not link back. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:06, 29 March 2016 (UTC)

Birthplace

The birth place of authors born in the United Kingdom must be entered as "UK" or it shows up on a clean-up report. I've corrected the author data for A. V. Sellwood. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 07:17, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Beyond the Curtain of Dark

The cover artist of this is Bruce Pennington, see Ultraterranium. Thanks. Horzel 18:15, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

Possible Typos 10-Apr

Here are some possible typos:

• clonel - Clonel Stonesteel's Genuine Home-Made Truly Egyptian Mummy in Omni, May 1981
• congresssional - Extract From the Congresssional Record in The Day the Martians Came
• frontspiece - Frontspiece (The Art of Jim Burns: Hyperluminal) in The Art of Jim Burns: Hyperluminal
• geneaology - Geneaology of Characters in Software, Wetware and Freeware in Freeware

That's how it's spelled ....

• millenium - A Vade Mecum for the Third Millenium: A Review of the New SFWA Handbook in Plumage from Pegasus
• philosohers - The Island of the Philosohers in Tales from the Beyond
• prsistance - Introduction to Dogged Prsistance in Dogged Persistence

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:19, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Fixed. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:39, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

For "geneaology", added a title note stating the misspelling is per the pub. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:24, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

The Long Haul From the ANNALS OF TRANSPORTATION, The Pacific Monthly, May 2009

Could you please add your opinion to this discussion on my talk page? Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 11:59, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

The Corobite Mines

FYI, according to Checkpoint 92, the author of your verified The Corobite Mines is not the same Peter Roberts as the SF fan who wrote multiple letters to UK fanzines in the 1970s. I have disambiguated the author accordingly. Ahasuerus 17:44, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Classics of Modern Science Fiction

Hi Bill, I would like to add the Pub.series name (Classics of Modern Science Fiction) to this book [[5]]. The series name is printed on top of the cover. The SFBC edition has no series number, but the regular publications (from Crown and Robson) do. You agree? --Rias --Zlan52 12:34, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I have no problem with it. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:30, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Poul Anderson bibliography

This publication record appears on a clean-up report because its publication date (1983) is before the publication date of its title record (1986). Also, it's not likely that a publications titled Poul Anderson: Myth-Master and Wonder-Weaver: An Interim Bibliography (1947-1986) would have been published in 1983. Can you re-check your source? Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 06:35, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Similar problem with this publication. Either the title is wrong or the publication date is wrong. In either case, it's probably also under the wrong title record. Mhhutchins|talk 06:38, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Masters of Science Fiction: James Patrick Kelly

This book retails for $95.00. That's what is printed on the stickered barcode. Amazon also gives the list price as $95.00. Mhhutchins|talk 21:02, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Only if you buy it from Amazon. Price from Centipede is $45. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:08, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

I know that. That's how much I paid for my copy as well. But that doesn't negate the fact that the list price is $95.00 as published. Many publishers offer discounts for direct sales, but sale prices are not recorded in the Price field of ISFDB records. It also has a stated publication date of "March 2016". That is what should be given in the Date field. The appearance date and discounted price should be given in the Note field. Mhhutchins|talk 21:15, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Also, my copy doesn't have a first edition statement. Mhhutchins|talk 23:14, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Your source for the price of $45 (the publisher's website) currently states that those copies are unsigned.

No, the [page] notes that if one orders both the Kelly and Leiber titles, the Leiber is unsigned. My copy has no barcode, stickered or otherwise. Amazon's [or any secondary distributor] price is irrelevant.

If you don't believe that the signed edition of this book has a list price of $95, I can upload a scan of the barcode which was on the book. If you're not willing to concede this point, I will remove my verification of the record you created, and create a new record. Mhhutchins|talk 20:07, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

There's nothing to concede. If your copy has a printed barcode/price then for whatever reason Centipede did such, it would qualify as a different edition. --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:20, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Galactic Central Publications Publications

It looks like you recently entered (or a least secondary verified) some Galactic Central Publications publications based on secondary sources.

However, there were already existing primary verified versions of the following publications:

• Fritz Leiber: A Working Bibliography -- primary & your secondary
• Manly Wade Wellman: The Gentleman From Chapel Hill -- primary & your secondary
• John Wyndham Parkes Lucas Beynon Harris: A Bibliography -- primary & your secondary
• Christopher Samuel Youd: A Working Bibliography -- primary & your secondary

There is also another case with a prior non-verified publication:

• Catherine Lucille Moore & Henry Kuttner: A Marriage of Souls and Talent -- unverified & your secondary

Unless I'm missing something, for the ones with primary verifications, the secondary verifications should be moved over and than those pubs deleted. For the unverified one, could go either way as the unverified has cover art and additional notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:52, 1 May 2016 (UTC)

Oh, really? Perhaps you should pay a little more attention to the bindings .... the primary verified ones are listed as 'ph' for the most case, while the [what looks like] simultaneous editions are all A5. In fact this is exactly what was the case. I spent over a month corresponding with Phil Stephensen-Payne about a number of things including the Galactic Central Bibliographies. Copies sold in the US were provided by Benson, and he preferred the one-sided A5 style as that allowed for lots of space for notes. Copies from the UK were A5 sheets but two-sided and center stapled [folded over]. You also need to be aware of the fact that all copies were basically Print-on-Demand [before the term was even invented] so there were NO print runs [with the exception of any perfect-bound editions from 1997-1999 as they were done out-of-house]. There was a point at which the latter format became the only format but PS-P couldn't pin that date down. Likely in the early 90s. ALL sheets for the Borgo editions were provided by Benson to Reginald [though he never got paid for them ...] so all of the hardcover editions are A5 size and single-sided sheets. Add to this the fact that copies from PS-P were updated each time there was a new title added to the series [but there's no indication or proof that Benson did the same] and there could be single copies out there that are different from ANY other copy .... a bibliographic nightmare but a collector's dream/nightmare .... boggles the mind. I still have about 20 titles to go in the series updates but it's tough slugging to get consistent enough data to create reliable records. As for what's already done I'm not moving verifications or deleting anything. The records are as accurate, with sources noted, as I can get. I'm curious why these would even appear on anyone's radar????? --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:47, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Well, I did say "unless I'm missing something". The above is all good bibliographic information that would be nice to include in the records. I'm sure other collectors would be interested in those details. As for how found, I found them via duplicate title records since you created them as new pubs vs. adding pubs to the existing records. When I merged the title records, I noticed the pubs were similar except for format. I'll admit the distinction between 'ph' and 'quatro' is not clear to me. The ISFDB definitions make them sound like the same thing only with quatro having a specific size and ph being any size. I am a little confused since you say the non-primary verified ones are A5s, but they are entered a quartos and the two formats have different sizes per the help. But as I said, those format distinctions I find a bit esoteric so I'll resign myself to confusion in that regard. ;-) -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:39, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

I have every intention of doing some notes for this series once I finish with it [though as you'll see, such a concept is almost frivolous]. It really is a bit mind-boggling, though fortunately unique. And really, there's no way to ever chronicle ALL the permutations available. And that includes the titles, as well, as there could be simultaneous editions with slightly different titles [we just don't have enough verified copies to be sure and Reginald/Clute/OCLC/Locus all note different titles for what appear to be identical editions]. I've tended to go with OCLC as they tend to record actual as opposed to generic [Locus/Clute] titles. As for all the 'size/binding' stuff, I'm not sure how many of the entries are totally correct. The pamphlet style are A5 sheets, just folded, but the US copies are letter-sized [same width but about 1/2" shorter] which can translate as A4 or quarto. I know they're not exactly the same but our ludicrous 'Help" says to choose the format closest to the actual size which is virtually in the middle of the two. At least there's one 'positive' note: there aren't likely to be any more titles in the series, which means that the last date of 2003 can be treated as the beginning of a true POD era so there shouldn't be any more permutations [PS-P has indicated he's unlikely to ever revisit these; a very interesting man, a truly enjoyable conversation]. The sad part is that [short of someone with a whole bunch of copies] there's utterly no chance of another source of data to more clearly delineate all the small changes/editions/printings. Unfortunately I stuck my head in this particular 'noose' voluntarily and will just have to muddle through. The things we do ............ ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:05, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Worlds of Star Trek Deep Space Nine Volume Two: Unjoined; Fragments and Omens

Adjusted price (my copy has $7.99) and added note about partial artist. [6]--Auric 11:36, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

Starship Troopers

As I suspected, the cover artist of this is Karel Thole, as can be seen here on ebay (click on photo of contents page, and look at the illustration and its attribution), or on page 1 of Science Fiction Monthly 1974-08, which page is currently not listed on isfdb. Thanks! Horzel 12:22, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

Also see the astronaut on and the artist of this Italian translation's cover. Horzel 20:39, 12 May 2016 (UTC)

One has to be a little careful with Italian covers as some are redrawn. I'm curious if the rest of the artwork for this was Thole's??

Varianting done for the first item. Hauck 06:34, 13 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks Hervé! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:09, 18 May 2016 (UTC)

Fire, Burn!

Hello, artist found for your verified. At last someone with a magnifying glass up to yours! Hauck 18:13, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

It was easy to find once the name is known. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:27, 23 May 2016 (UTC)

The Space Willies

There's a signature that's probably "Renshaw" on some copies of this side of this Ace Double. See this scan at Flickr. See also A Planet For Texans at ISFDB and at Flickr. Thanks. Horzel 21:54, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

My copy is cropped so that there is NO portion of a signature showing. Perhaps one of the other verifiers can see more? --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:05, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Agent of the Terran Empire

Cover artist of this is Bob Fowke, as the same art is on page 54-55 of Dangerous Frontiers. Thanks. Horzel 21:01, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

To Your Scattered Bodies Go / SFBC

You mention in the notes of this book [[7]] the "Known reprint codes: "L03" [verified] (Jan.'81); "L27" [verified] (Jul.'81); "N17" (April 1972); "Q05" [verified] (Jan/Feb 1986)".
N17 of April 1972 is wrong, the book cannot be reprinted before it first came out... That must be N17 (April 1983).

Corrected that one

Two verified reprints are missing: O01 (Jan 1984) and the one without a gutter code, where the book number changed (somewhat) to #02676. Zlan52 22:16, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Do you know if the O01 printing has the five-digit # 02676? There should be a separate record for that number, if it's the one with O01 then it can be dated Jan 1984 [with the no GC one as a reprint] or undated if just the one with no gutter code has 02676. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:27, 26 May 2016 (UTC)

Only the ones with GC Q05 and no gutter code have booknumber #02676. --Zlan52 15:18, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Okay, have created a new record for the five-digit number. I assume you have the Q05 printing and can verify it? Also updated the original record adding the O01 code so if you have that you could add [verified]. Used the existing cover image but it should be the same? --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:30, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

I didn't know that a small change in the booknumber, only adding a zero, would make a new entry for a Book Club edition. But if so, than there should be another entry for the SFBC edition. The first printing is from Berkley Medallion. I do not have the second one (L03) myself, but the third one (L27) is from G.P. Putnam's Sons. As are the others. I will change that with the Q05 en O01. Suppose you will do that with the others? The covers are all the same. --Zlan52 23:17, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

That 'small' change is one of the few reasons for creating another record re: SFBC editions. Another is if the cover art changes [a good example is PKD's The Man in the High Castle]. As it happens I have the L03 edition and it has G. P. Putnam on the title page, though Berkley on the spine and Berkley Medallion on the copyright page. Since we go by the title page that just leaves the first SFBC printing. Does it actually give Berkley Medallion on the title page?? I can't think of any other SFBC edition that changed the 'root' publisher, but that would most certainly be enough to separate the editions. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:45, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

The first edition mentions on the title page:
A BERKLEY MEDALLION BOOK
PUBLISHED BY
BERKLEY PUBLISHING CORPORATION
The first one realy differs from the rest. The copyright pages of all editions have the same information. And yes, on the spine of all it says Berkley (of the dustjacket as well as of the book). Zlan52 00:18, 29 May 2016 (UTC)
Bill, will you separate the editions? --Rias --Zlan52 12:01, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

I can do that, then there will need to be some notices to the various PVs as this may change what editions are PV'd by whom! See what you started !!¿¿!! ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:41, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Did I start it all...? :-) Enjoy the work! --Zlan52 23:57, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Well of course you did, it was a quiet little PJF universe here until you came along [warts and all] ...... my story and I'm sticking to it! Okay, [this] is the new record. I've transferred the subsequent printings/gutter codes. At least one or two of which you probably have. I've vacated my PV1 from the first SFBC edition and will notify the other verifiers of this discussion in case they need to move their PVs. Any more surprises??¿¿?? lol ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:00, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

To Your Scattered Bodies Go - cover art

The cover art of this [[8]] edition is by Richard Powers. This is stated as such in the cover index in the book "The Art of Richard Powers".

Not exactly. While it is a facsimile of the Powers' artwork, he didn't carve the leather. That the cover carving is based on Powers' painting can be addressed in the notes, but crediting him for the cover is like crediting Da Vinci for a photograph of the Mona Lisa.

That is a way of looking at it. The lines of his illustration have been used to print it in gold foil on the cover. I will add it in the notes.

The Locus1 verification is not correct, that is for the reprint in 1989. The second printing will be added soon by me.

Correct

"This edition is a facsimile reprint of the 1971 Putnam edition." is not completely correct. The headings of the chapters differ, the numbers of the chapters are now in a different font and italic. Each chapter has now an illustration, which are not in the original. The text however is exactly the same...

That wasn't added by me, and not having seen the original Putnam edition I'll defer to you [simply eliminating that part of the notes should be sufficient?]. Still, active or not a note should be left ...

Eliminating that part of the notes is correct. You cannot leave a message to Michael, see his talk page!

News to me! There are times when we all need a holiday. I'm likely to be gone for a few months as well, it's summer and with an acreage there's just SO much to do in our rather short Canadian summers [at least as far north as I am ...].

Michael Hutchins isn't active anymore, so as PV2 I write it to you. --Zlan52 16:07, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:39, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Best, --Rias --Zlan52 23:31, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Second Foundation - Isaac Asimov

The page numbers from your verified Canadian pub don't match what I have. I have the Prologue on vii, Part 1 on page 11 and Part 2 on 73. The recorded numbers match the American pub which you also verified (with Don Erikson). Can you confirm? Thanks Doug H 15:54, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

Actually the page numbers are wrong in both records! A clone gone bad [and me not checking ....]. I've corrected both records. Good catch!! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:52, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

MOHearn's submissions

Hello Bill, perhaps may it be interesting that you have look at the two submissions for Star Trek: The Motion Picture that I have put on hold. I frankly don't know what to make of them. Hervé Hauck 09:17, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for holding them. There are certain aspects which could be used but they will have to be rejected, too much work to correct them when it would be easier to just re-do them. If it weren't for the Star Trek Universe being so large, this comic would never be on the database in the first place [and it may still be deleted]. If you could leave the hold in place for at least a day, I can think of an appropriate response to the new editor. Frankly I think we should just have a NO policy for all comics and graphic formats, just simpler. Anyway, I'll get back to you when I get my head around this and get you to remove the holds. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:39, 29 May 2016 (UTC)

"Frankly I think we should just have a NO policy for all comics and graphic formats, just simpler" That's exactly my opinion. I was not thrilled when we started to have Moore's graphic novels and I'm afraid of an invasion of comics of the superhero type (a thing not very popular here in France). I'll wait for your green light. Hauck 05:37, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

If the decision comes down to deleting the entire entry because it's comics, that works for me--I was just trying to edit it into consistency with another comics entry in the database as I added the actual writer. But my point was that one way or the other it is not an edition of the Roddenberry novel, and has to be disconnected from it. MOHearn 01:53, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

That would be the correct way to go. The only reason the record exists is that it's in the Star Trek universe and is a version of an existing novel. As for the 'writer' credit, the changes are not consistent with the book [took me forever to find it, hence the long delay in responding] as Wolfman is listed as script editor, not writer and the other two are quite correctly credited with the artwork, not authorship. Authorship is correctly given to Roddenberry and Alan Dean Foster. By the time you read this I'll have deleted the entry as I should never have entered it in the first place. One minor thing: the original notes had teh Stan Lee credit dealt with factually and what you wanted to replace that with was really just an opinion. Best to stick with facts. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:39, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Sign of the Unicorn

I'm modifying the cover artist of Sign of the Unicorn from Fox to Nick Fox, the art is shown and credited on page 58 of The Fantastic Planet.

Is Anybody Out There?

I have changed my verification on this pub from Primary1 to Transient. You may wish to change your Primary2 to Primary1. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:06, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

The Galactic Whirlpool

Finally, proof that the cover of this is by Paul Lehr and not by Dean Ellis: The cover of Rymden's Erovräre shows the same art with Lehr's unmistakeable signature in the lower right corner. Horzel 15:42, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Good sleuthing! Have created a record for the Swedish title and linked to the Gerrold record. No more Ellis! --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:29, 30 May 2016 (UTC)

Thank you! But how did you modify the cover artist? I tried to do that for the two other Bantam editions with the same cover art, but the artist field is greyed out. I guess it has to do with the cover art being variants of each other, but I don't know how to break them up. Horzel 09:05, 31 May 2016 (UTC)

I didn't modify the existing credit. In any record there is the ability to add another cover credit. I did that to enter Lehr and then using "Remove Titles" got rid of the credit to Ellis. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:05, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

The Devil in a Forest

Mid below beside the helemeted person's leg on the front cover of this publication there's a light spot that, under better magnification than I can find on the internet, might dissolve into the letters K and Y inside the letter C. If so, the cover artist is Kinuko Y. Craft. Could you please check if this is true? Horzel 09:09, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

"... dissolve ..."? Ah, resolve! And indeed that is what's there. Damned good eyes. Credit noted. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:11, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Anvil of Stars

Can you check your SFBC copy of Anvil of Stars for the page count. I have a copy that has 434 as the last numbered page and not 448 as stated in the record. Thanks for checking. John Syzygy 20:10, 4 June 2016 (UTC)

Correct, and corrected! Cheers --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:05, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Inside ● Outside

Please see this discussion about your verified Inside ● Outside. --Marc Kupper|talk 19:08, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

That's a discussion? Anyway, the ability of anyone to produce a bullet point should not be relevant. The title should be with such, with spaces, just as it is on title page [plus all page headers]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:15, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Afterword to The Man Who Awoke?

Hi, Bill! I'm trying to determine if the afterword to this novel is original to the german edition (since it's uncredited). If you have the book somewhere near, could you take a look into your copy, if there's such a title in it? In essence it is an introduction to the author. Christian Stonecreek 06:17, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Yes, it's there and I've added it to the contents. There's no date/author so for now I've dated it to the novel. If the German edition is earlier then you could change the date to match it. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:21, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for looking that one up, Bill! Christian Stonecreek 03:49, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

The Forever War - Joe Haldeman

My copy of this title has a slightly different cover page and has a price of 65p, not 85p. The Publication Note says the same - Reprinted 1976. Maybe yours was a third printing and mine is the second? Do you want me to clone a new title? AndyjMo 18:11, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

My copy is definitely 85p with no indication of more than two printings by 1976. The first printing is not verified and the price on it could simply be wrong. Tried BLIC and they have a record for a 1977 printing at 75p which just makes things worse .... Does your copy indicate that it's a reprint? If not I would simply verify the first printing and change the price to match your copy. If yours does indicate that it's a reprint then definitely clone for a new record and upload a scan of the cover if it's 'slightly different'. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:30, 8 June 2016 (UTC)

My copy says Reprinted 1976, but as no number line can't work out which reprint. As the cover (and price) are different to yours then I'll clone for a new record. The cover has the same picture but has "A Nebula Award Winner" at the top and the author's name under the title. AndyjMo 09:25, 22 June 2016 (UTC)

Secret of the Lost Race

Cover artist of this is Josh Kirby, according to the list of Josh Kirby sf covers as well as the official Josh Kirby Facebook page, maintained by his estate (to search use Google). Thanks. Horzel 08:28, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

Hmmmm, can't link to Facebook as a source and the ansible credit is just the title, no pic ... too bad the new site isn't up yet! I'll figure something ... cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:38, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

Thuvia, Maid of Mars

Your verified Thuvia, Maid of Mars included a title record for "A Glossary of Names and Terms Used in the Martin Books". As "Martin" was misspelled but there was no notes specifically explaining it was stated that way in the book I made the assumption that the word should have been "Martian" and merged this into the main title record for that glossary. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:10, 10 June 2016 (UTC)

That was definitely a clone so there must be at least one other case of the spelling ... ?? --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:15, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

There were three publications that used that version of the title record. However, I just spotted this record for Thuvia, Maid of Mars that used the correct spelling of Martian in the contents but has a note "Glossary title misspelled as 'A Glossary of Names and Terms Used in the Martin Books'". I need to go back and let the others I'd notified know about that.

It's my understanding that things need to be entered exactly as spelled other than reviews and interviews where it seems the reviewer or interviewer misspelled something related what they were covering. I'll add the "A Glossary of Names and Terms Used in the Martin Books" title back and VT it to the correct spelling. I'll add a note the issue to the publication records.

If you have the publication handy then you please confirm if the misspelling exists in your copy and update the note? --Marc Kupper|talk 07:11, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Correction - it was two publication records with your record being one and the other verified by two people. --Marc Kupper|talk 07:23, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

Bored of the Rings

Hi, Bill! There's a submission in the pipeline that doesn't affect a primary verified book of yours but it seems that the proposed additional titles would show up in your verified copy, too. I'm not sure if they should be added and if they are to be considered as ESSAYs. Could you take a look into the matter? Christian Stonecreek 07:32, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

The first one could go in as an essay, but the second is in-universe [parodic or not] except for the first paragraph. I doubt it would be considered in any other similar situation and certainly doesn't add anything noteworthy. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:26, 11 June 2016 (UTC)

The Corobite Mines 2

Cover art of this is the same as the back cover art of Lord of the Spiders which is credited to Ray Feibush. Horzel 13:44, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

I don't think Manor ever had an original cover .... ! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:10, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

Asa Baber / Asa Barber

Hi, Bill! Is the author name spelled as stated here? If so, we have another pseudonym. Christian Stonecreek 13:43, 16 June 2016 (UTC)

Typo, corrected! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:05, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

The City: 2000 A.D.: Urban Life Through Science Fiction

Hi--I tried to add a missing nonfiction piece to the TOC of _The City: 2000 A.D.: Urban Life Through Science Fiction_: "The Grass Is Never Greener: The Flight to the Suburbs," by Joseph D. Olander and Martin H. Greenberg and Ralph S. Clem. (It's after "Traffic Problem," by William Earls and before "Gantlet," by Richard E. Peck.) But I was sent a notice that I couldn't add that without consulting you first. I'm new to editing ISFDB, so I apologize for getting the protocol wrong. Can you tell me how to proceed? I have the book here in front of me; I can provide more info about the article if that would be helpful. (Possibly it was only in some editions, or something?) --Elysdir 05:48, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

No problem! Have added the essay. Adding data shouldn't require advance notification, we all miss things now and then. Even the way data is now entered can be quite different from 8/9 years ago ... many more options, to say the least. Changing existing data is when there should be some notice as the editions/copies might not be the same. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:01, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Great--thank you! --Elysdir 22:48, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Galaxy's Edge Magazine, Issue 20, May 2016

Hello Bill, I've linked two reviews (Bujold and Koboldt) in this magazine but the last one is perhaps nongenre (and not present in the db). Can you add the title or transform the review into an essay? Hauck 09:27, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

The book reviewed is not SF but noted as of interest to readers of military SF. I never read reviews so missed that. Is there a usual thing to do here? Does the review even belong? --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:46, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

I tend to ignore reviews of nongenre titles but transformed this one into an ESSAY (hope you're OK). Hauck 06:02, 27 June 2016 (UTC)

Earthworks

Your verified copy of Earthworks states that there is an Essay by Tom Boardman, Jr starting at page 1. My copy does not have this essay, but the novel does start at Page 5. The copyright page is exactly the same as yours, just the printing date and no number line. Shall I clone your version and state that no essay is present? AndyjMo 20:09, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

The essay in my copy is on the page preceding the copyright page/first page of the book inside the cover. If yours doesn't have it [I'm assuming it hasn't been removed] then you definitely have a different edition. I would add the note just so some future editor knows there is a difference in what would appear to be duplicate records. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:25, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

Ah, I see now what you meant by an essay. There is a page credited to Tom Boardman, Jr. just after the front cover. In fact there is a similar 'essay' in Hothouse as stated by you. I think I will go to bed. AndyjMo 21:03, 25 June 2016 (UTC)

The Still Small Voice of Trumpets

I have a copy of The Still Small Voice of Trumpets which matches everything in the Publication Notes section. What I am confused about is why the Publication Year is stated as 1969. Where did this come from? AndyjMo 18:48, 2 July 2016 (UTC)

Not quite sure, though it's likely accurate. The pb would have been produced after the UK hc, which was 1969. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:48, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

SFBC help

Would you take a look at this submission and tell me what you think about the #54-4410 vs. 1001048 that the editor cites? I left a note about the other issues on his talk page; feel free to comment there instead of here if you think your insights would be helpful to him, too. Thanks. --MartyD 11:23, 7 July 2016 (UTC)

Lots wrong with the submission .... reject certainly right thing to do. As for the number the 1001048 should go in the ISBN/cat# field. The number originally there [as noted] is from the SFBC catalog and was likely entered by Michael. Those numbers never show up on the books but should still be noted. Can't think of anything else, really. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:54, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Fast-Friend & The Flowering of the Strange Orchid

I have a couple of questions on stories where you have verified publications containing both stories:

• George R. R. Martin's Fast-Friend (novelette) and Fast-Friend (shortstory): Is this the same story with disagreement over the length? Or was it edited between versions? Or two separate stories?

Novelette is pushing the length a little, but maybe the word-count justifies it. Changed and merged the two [definitely the same story]

• H. G. Wells's The Flowering of the Strange Orchid and The Flowering of a Strange Orchid: I assume this is the same story and a variant should be created?

Just a typo, fixed and merged. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:04, 12 July 2016 (UTC)

Would you please review and update or add comments as appropriate? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:25, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Out of My Mind

John Brunner's Out of My Mind has a mistake in the contents page. It states that 'The Totally Rich' starts on Page 135 when it actually starts on Page 105. The Publication Record gives the correct page number, but I thought it might be worth including a note in the Publication Notes. --AndyjMo 15:33, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Note added. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:53, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Out of the Dead City

In the Publication Notes of Out of the Dead City it states that the cover artist is not credited. On the Back Cover of my copy it states "Cover Illustration/Russell Fitzgerald". Do you want me to change the Publication Notes? AndyjMo 17:30, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

And three of us missed it! Now corrected. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:37, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

The Green Odyssey

Hi Bill, we checked the Ballantine hardcover [[9]] if the cover artist is credited. It is not, not in any way. There is no proof dat Richard Powers did the cover. I corrected the information (also on my site). --Rias Zlan52 22:41, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, totally different from the paperback. No idea if I put the credit or not. Was there a different note before? --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:52, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Yes, there was a note that the cover credit to Richard Powers had been deleted, and a question to the verifier to check the book if a cover artist was credited. We did verify. There are several sources that credit Powers for the cover, but that is not correct. --Rias Zlan52 13:03, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

The Crack in the Sky

User Horzel found the cover artist for this verified pub. I added the credit and a note. Thanks, --Willem 19:47, 19 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:11, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

The Falling Torch

The Publication Date of The Falling Torch is shown as 1962-07-00 but the copyright page says January 1962. Shouldn't the Publication Date be changed? --AndyjMo 14:26, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

And now it does! --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:09, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Who?

The Price for Who? is shown as £0.75 but in the Publication Notes (which matches my copy) it states £0.70. --AndyjMo 14:56, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

Corrected. Thanks --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:11, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Citizen of the Galaxy

Can you check the page count for Citizen of the Galaxy? In my copy the novel ends at page 263, the remaining pages are a note from the author and adverts for other books. --AndyjMo 14:53, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Corrected. Thanks!

Martian Spring

Hello, I've found the artist for your verified here. Hauck 16:33, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Thanks! Does look like his work. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:59, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Cover Artist for Pan editions of Heinlein

I have Primary Verified Time for the Stars and was checking the source of the Cover Artist. This is defined as being Edward Mortelmans as derived from AbeBooks. A quick search of AbeBooks does not list Cover Artists for this book. If Edward Mortelmans is the cover artist then he could also be the cover artist for the Pan editions of Red Planet and Tunnel in the Sky. However I am not convinced he is the artist as other covers attributed to him do not have the same style. Do you know where the reference to AbeBooks came from? --AndyjMo 12:50, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Likely I put it there, from an edition advertised on AbeBooks [but in 2014, unlikely the ad would still be active]. A Pan website [<a href="http://tikit.net/">here</a> has many covers from the same era by Mortelmans but doesn't have this particular one attributed. I'll often cite a bookseller [most often AbeBooks] as a source [there's really no reason that I can think of for anyone selling a book to mislead a buyer about a cover artist]. And there IS a current <a href="http://www.abebooks.co.uk/servlet/SearchResults?an=heinlein&kn=pan&sts=t&tn=time+for+the+stars">ad</a> on AbeBooks [#26] crediting Mortelmans. Perhaps the seller can give us his source? I'll e-mail him and ask. Keep tuned ;-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:18, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

The credit came from the LA Con IV Handbook. --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:31, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Sounds good. I'll add this credit to the Notes. --AndyjMo 16:52, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume Two A

Could you please check your copy of The Science Fiction Hall of Fame, Volume Two A? Mine has the gutter code of “13P” which means it’s a first edition, and the serial number is “5685” instead of “5695” as listed on this site. MLB 06:10, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Just a typo in the notes, you can just correct such and let me know [the # in the field was correct]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 06:19, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Skyclimber

I added the publication month to this pub. Info from Locus #246 (July 1981). Thanks, --Willem 09:09, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Regularizing publishers

Hello Bill. I'm a bit sad to read such comments that are directed at me: "Whoever the mental midget is that keeps "regularizing" Coronet with Coronet Books ... CEASE and DESIST!!! There is only a very small portion of their titles that use only Coronet. Determining the limits of that are impossible with some nitwit continually merging the two!!!". Such qualifications as Mental midget or Nitwit from you are not very kind (even if they may prove true). It may have been better to try to talk directly to me. For the regularization of publishers, I was thinking that the gist of the project approved by the community was to have less different publishers and to "regroup" diverse close appellations that evolved through the years but more or less covered the same entity. IMHO, for a "standard" user of the db (i.e. not you and not me), the fact that we make a difference in publisher between a "Corgi" Book as per copyright and a "Corgi Books" book that I PVed is perhaps a bit too esoteric. Hauck 09:29, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Hervé! I did not know it was you. Went back through about a week's worth of edits to try and find out but the pages just blurred together after awhile ... The wording was indeed over the top but I have left 'Please' notes before and they were ignored, so thought this might get a response. I apologize for any inferred personal invective as that was not intended. I remember some discussions about regularizing publishers versus just putting in the records what is on the title page. Same discussions have occurred regarding artists/authors/series, usually with the result of 'what's in the book rules'. There always will be some dissent but it's the easiest 'rule' to follow, even if it means an abundance of publishers. Blanket changes/merges/simplification don't work very well, as meaningful differences get lost. Years ago a 'consensus' that I loudly objected to [all Roc books should have the publisher as Roc / New American Library] was accepted. There are hundreds of Roc books that are the imprint of Dutton Signet, not NAL but you have to find/change them one at a time. As for the various other publishers where the distinction is a little simpler [Coronet versus Coronet Books] the simpler name is not often the correct one [I can't recall a single Sphere edition that just used Sphere and not Sphere Books]. Sometimes the names have changed and coincide with logo changes/merges with other companies. While the "standard" user may find that too esoteric, this is still a bibliographic website and the gist of same is in the details. I've always thought that attention to same should be equal at all levels, not just authors/artists/story titles. That's why I find regularization [for its own sake] repellant. I'll remove the offensive note immediately. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I wonder if it might be possible to program the database to automatically enter the publishers name (at least for the newer books), since the ISBN contains the publisher code?--Rkihara 16:31, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Probably, but that doesn't work when there are variants whose parameters [time-frames/logos/company merges] have yet to be determined. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:34, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I did a Wiki search for publisher codes and it does look like there may be sufficient resolution. The Group-0 codes have ~560,000 possible codes, and the Group-1, have ~172,000. Examples are listed on the Wiki pages.--Rkihara 16:47, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Don't think we're on the same page. we haven't been talking about ISBNs but actual Publisher names. A vast number of the editions affected are pre-ISBN. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:53, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

The Publisher name is linked to the ISBN code, if you look at the linked Wiki pages, there are hundreds of examples on each page, giving the publisher name for each ISBN code.--Rkihara 17:19, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I did look at the pages. Still doesn't deal with the pre-ISBN era. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:22, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I pointed that out in my first comment. The vast majority of books in the database have been printed with ISBNs. This would regularize all books with ISBNs, leaving a smaller number to be manually entered.--Rkihara 17:35, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

I think this is worth a wider discussion, so I'm moving it to the Community Portal.--Rkihara 17:50, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Eva

Hi, I found Gary Smith as cover artist on this pub verified by Mhhutchins: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?12639 - But there is credited Cliff Nielsen on this site: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?347247 (not primary verified by You). Mhhutchins wrote in an email today: "I can confirm the accuracy of the cover art credit provided in my verified record. I suggest that you contact the person who added the other record (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?347247) based on secondary data to confirm it. If they can confirm that the secondary source credits Cliff Nielsen, then the art credit should be removed from those records, adding a note that the secondary source's data is an error. Amazon's "Look Inside" for the Laurel Leaf paperback edition doesn't show any cover art credit in the actual publication." Please tell me what to do. --Zapp 11:56, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

It is the Laurel-Leaf ebook cover that was created by Cliff Nielsen. The pb is created by Gary Smith. I corrected. --Zapp 19:05, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Simak's So Bright the Vision

Added the cover price to our verified pub. PeteYoung 02:57, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. No idea why it wouldn't have been there, my copy definitely has it .... --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:02, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Will the Last Person to Leave the Planet Please Shut off the Sun?

I've added the cover art credit for our verified Will the Last Person to Leave the Planet Please Shut off the Sun? and amended the note concerning this detail. Cheers. PeteYoung 07:52, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

Good one! Someone ran the Resnick cover through a color filter, though, washing out some of the details but definitely the same painting. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:05, 8 August 2016 (UTC)

On the Einstein-Murphy Interaction in Analog Science Fiction/Science Fact, Mid-December 1984

I'm entering a Japanese translation of this, but it lists a third author: E. Zechbruder. Will you check this to see if the article in this issue of Analog mentions this third person? The editors in S-Fマガジン are usually quite good about accurate credits. I'm also pointing Hauck to this since he also has it. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:19, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Indeed the third name is there on the title page of the essay but not in the TOC. The names all may be spoofs as that's the theme of the issue and for the third name there is a note "refuses to divulge current address". When one's trying to 'reconcile' General Relativity with Murphy's Law, anything can happen .... ;-))) --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:27, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay, will you update that record? I'll go ahead and submit the Japanese one (just finished entering the TOC info for the magazine issue). Thanks for the quick response! I checked just before submitting the new magazine issue. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 00:35, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Done. --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:39, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Cowper's A Dream of Kinship

Mick van Houten has verified he's the uncredited artist for our verified pub of Richard Cowper's A Dream of Kinship. I've amended the note to reflect this. Thanks. PeteYoung 13:03, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Same with A Tapestry of Time. PeteYoung 13:08, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Two more bite the dust! :-)) --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:01, 9 August 2016 (UTC)

Vernell Corniell forewords

Hi. On the duplicate page for Vernell Corniell there are two duplicate forewords by him, one for Escape on Venus and one for Lost on Venus. One Escape foreword has multiple pubs; your Escape has one pub. The Lost forewords have one pub each. Should these forewords be merged? From my F-268 copy of Escape, the foreword is one page and starts "Any patriotic citizen can give you the name..." and ends with "...the most popular and best selling author in the world." I can't quote the Lost foreword because I have the same pub you do. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 06:12, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

All of them are exactly the same, regardless of the title of the book. I've merged the two sets and I know there's a way to make this one essay but can't remember. Too bad it doesn't have any other title than Foreword. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:01, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Yes, not too imaginative. Thanks for the merge. Doug / Vornoff 23:18, 17 August 2016 (UTC)

Artist for "The Man Who Owned The World" - Charles Eric Maine

In your verified pub here, you credited Boyle as the artist based on the signature. I believe it to be Neil Boyle, based on this pub. I will be using it to credit a Canadian publication of this pub that is signed Boyle. Doug H 00:16, 20 August 2016 (UTC)

Playboy, May 1986

You verified this publication as having a binding of "octavo". That seems likely to have been an error, and I believe all issues of that magazine (and all other issues we have entered for that year) were "quarto". Chavey 03:14, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

The Graybes of Raath

I'll be updating the title of this story and its associated artwork per this discussion. We currently have it incorrectly as "The Graybes of Wrath". The story is contained in this UK issue of Galaxy which your notes indicate is an exact reprint of the US issue. Thus, I'm assuming that the titles are identical. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 01:38, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

A World Named Cleopatra

The cover artist for A World Named Cleopatra looks like it could be Stanislaw Zagorski based on the style. Thoughts?SFJuggler 06:28, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Sample of credited works is very small and I don't have any of them to do a comparison. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:14, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

Elinor Mavor

Hi Bill. In your second verified Amazing Stories, May 1980, you have the p.110 art credited to "Mavor". By the ISFDB conventions, shouldn't that be to "Elinor Mavor", or at least varianted to her if credited as "Mavor". Otherwise you've got a separate author situation. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 00:47, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Credit from a signature, so just changed the credit. I'm sure there are still lots of these around. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:50, 28 August 2016 (UTC)

Jack of Ravens

Can you check in Locus for the published date of Jack of Ravens. This record has a date of 2007-12-00. I've just added this version Jack of Ravens which has a 1st printing by number line in 2006. Maybe the Locus record should have said 2006-12-00 and my new record is a duplicate of yours. --AndyjMo 09:22, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Gollancz usually produces a hardcover and a trade paperback [the same size as the hardcover] simultaneously. Then they'll produce another trade paperback [but of a smaller size] a year later. Locus1 notes the hardcover and trade paperback from 2006 but the TP has a price of £12.99, a different ISBN 0-575-07800-6 and a different page count [374] than the 2007 TP. I have a number of Gollancz editions and they do the copyright page a little odd sometimes. There will be the statement of the original HC/TP and then 1/4 way down the page there will be a statement about the [year-later] TP, easily missed. I would assume [the most deadly words out there ... ;-))] that the edition you just entered and the one I did the secondary verifications on are the same, just from the ISBN/price/page count. Have another look at the copyright page, just to be sure. If there is nothing about 2007 then a note should be added that Locus1 has the date as Dec '07 but there's nothing in the book to match that year. Don't forget that they almost always got pre-publication copies that did not always match what eventually was released. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

I've rechecked the copyright page (in the light of day) and there is only the statement First published in Great Britain in 2006 by Gollancz. I'll add a note about Locus1 having a different date. I suppose (a bit like assume) that the record with the date of 2007-12-00 should be kept just in case it actually exists. --AndyjMo 14:55, 31 August 2016 (UTC)

Star Trek - Log Ten

You verified this pub of Alan Dean Foster's Star Trek Log Ten. I have a Canadian print version of this. Usually you beat me to such things. Are you sure yours is a US printing? By the way, mine has an LCCN of 74-8477 Doug H 12:54, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

Actually the notes didn't specify the country of printing [they do now] and yes it's a US printing. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:42, 30 August 2016 (UTC)