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== [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?564308 Company Town] ==
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== John Bowen ==
  
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Hi, as the help for entering the date of publications explicitly says to use the publication date stated within a book [''For books, to identify the publication date, try to find a statement (often on the verso of the title page) that says something like "Published in June 2001"''], it seems that the date should be changed to 2016-05-00, for your verified publication. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 13:36, 12 January 2022 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869322; Should have (21st century) added to author; other edition has it to differ this Bowen from the older one. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:22, 13 January 2024 (EST)
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: No - that date is correct and has a valid secondary source. The book stays as it is. Thanks. If you would like to argue this, please open a discussion about not allowing secondary sources to date books. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:41, 12 January 2022 (EST)
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: Yep - thanks. Fixed. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 17:59, 29 January 2024 (EST)
  
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== Two variant questions for "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg" ==
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== Fixer addition ==
  
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Hi Annie. I'm reading my way through "The Very Best of Barry N. Malzberg". Aside from the issue of needing to update the existing ebook and also add new ebooks for the new ISBN numbers (discussed separately), I have discovered that two of the stories that are currently listed as first published in this book were actually previously published under different names. (There could be more stories like this in here)
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Annie, I have [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?72882 Water Dragon Publishing] reasonably complete, but it should be added to Fixer's list.  I'm pinging you since you post all the requests on Fixer's talk page. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:37, 12 February 2024 (EST)
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: I will ask it to be added to the recognized publishers - if it is not there already :) Which may or may not help - there are way too many of them. Not being on the list does not mean that it is ignored at the moment. The requests on the Talk page of Fixer are cleanup and not really how we add publishers to the recognized list. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:39, 12 February 2024 (EST)
  
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1. "The Wooden Grenade" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1624243) is listed as first published in this book. The Acknowledgements/copyright info in the book notes that it was first published as "The Sense of the Fire" in Escapade, July 1967. "The Sense of the Fire" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?97954) is listed in ISFDB as first published in Escapade in July 1967, and then reprinted in two editions of Malzberg's "Out from Ganymede" (1974). I have checked with Willem H, the last primary verifier for "Out From Ganymede", and it is the same text as the one I am reading. There is no doubt this is the same story. Next is the question of which is the canonical title? This story has apparently been published 3 times only, first 2 as "The Sense of the Fire" and then reprinted in "The Very Best of..." as "The Wooden Grenade". I lean towards making "The Wooden Grenade" the canonical title, as I assume that Barry N. Malzberg participated in choosing the titles for "The Very Best of". I'd appreciate your opinion and guidance. Thanks[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:42, 13 January 2022 (EST)
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:: Water Dragon Publishing has been added to Fixer's "Recognized Publishers" list. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 18:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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: As a rule - we always use the FIRST used title unless another title is better known/prevalent. Someone changes a title in a single publication does not make it so usually. The old title is used twice (that we know of), the new one only once - I'd use the original title as the canonical here if I was doing the variant. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:00, 13 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
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2. "The Shores of Suitability" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1624250) is listed as first published in this book. The Acknowledgements/copyright info here state that it was first published in Omni, June 1982. Omni, June 1982 features a story currently titled "Last Word (Omni, June 1982" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1225970). I checked Internet Archive, and it is the same story and it is correctly titled "Last Word" in the magazine. I lean towards making the title in "The Very Best of..." the canonical title, as I assume again that Barry N. Malzberg chose that title. Once again, I'd appreciate your opinion and guidance.
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== Upcoming Tor UK subimprints ==
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3. Needless to say, these will both need to be varianted.
 
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Thanks[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:42, 13 January 2022 (EST)
 
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: Same answer. The idea of the rule exception allowing a later title to become the canonical is to make sure that a story that was published once under 1 name and then 10 times under another do not get stuck under the original name. These two should stay with their original titles IMO - the author and/or an editor may have renamed them later but the new name is in a single publication. IF that ever changes, we can always reverse the direction but my basic rule is to keep it simple - don't use the exception from the rules unless it is really overwhelming. Hope that makes sense. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:00, 13 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
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::That all makes sense to me. I'll take care of this. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:33, 13 January 2022 (EST)
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Just a very early heads up on [https://www.thebookseller.com/news/tor-launches-new-romantasy-and-horror-imprints-bramble-and-nightfire Bramble and Nightfire UK]; article says their first title is due November, so I guess it'll be a while before Fixer finds anything for them, although perhaps ebooks might show up earlier if they decide to make those simultaneous with US releases?
  
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== A question on "The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy" ==
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Apologies if my inactivity here is causing you extra workload; I haven't completely given up on contributing, but (a) dealing with current events have been taking more of my time, and (b) I'd already decided at the end of last year that I just couldn't work up the enthusiasm to work on the endless stream of stuff that the UK publishers are now putting out that I have zero interest in.  I do intend to try to fill in any gaps in UK coverage up to the end of 2023, and to submit 2024+ pubs that are things I have an interest in - which I don't think is *that* different from what most editors here do? - but someone else can deal with all the romantasy etc stuff, hopefully not just you alone... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 05:11, 22 February 2024 (EST)
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: People do what they are interested in :) Hopefully once Fixer gets rewritten, we will get a few more people working on new books but it is what it is.
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: Too early to even think of this imprint and I suspect that the US side will see them as Tor anyway - so we shall see them. But I will get the name to Fixer to be added to the recognized publishers. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 10:17, 22 February 2024 (EST)
  
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Hi Annie.
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== Jo Fletcher Books no more? ==
  
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I just acquired, for eventual reading, another one of the giant (doorstop) anthologies of 20th century SF and fantasy, "The Prentice Hall Anthology of Science Fiction and Fantasy", originally appearing in 2000. (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?36482) I have not checked in detail, but it sure appears the TOC for the two current ISFDB editions are the same, and perhaps one was cloned from the other (I can't tell).
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Just FYI, from [https://news.ansible.uk/a440.html the new issue of Ansible]:
  
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As is now my habit, I reviewed the TOC and contents to our ISFDB entries and found a few possible discrepancies. These discrepancies include the following:
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    Jo Fletcher is suffering the traditional fate of departed founding editors: Quercus has mass-emailed past and present Jo Fletcher Books authors with the ‘exciting news’ that JFB is being rebranded this month – or rather, absorbed into the parent company’s existing imprint Arcadia.
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1. "The Gray Wolf", George McDonald, p 208, (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?923573) does not show up in either TOC. It is in both the TOC and the body of the book in my tp version.
 
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2. "Introduction....", P 1, does not show up in either TOC. It is in my copy in both TOC and the body of the book.
 
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3. A. E. van Vogt's "The Weapons Shop" is listed as such in my copy, both TOC and body of the book and in the copyright info, which does match original publication in Astounding. It is listed as "The Weapon Shop" in the two current editions in ISFDB. I suspect this was a typo by someone on data entry, but could be wrong.
 
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4. A number of the page numbers for stories are off by 1 page in my TOC and body of the book, vs the two ISFDB editions. I am not sure what is going on here. My first suspicion is that whoever did the original ISFDB TOC was perhaps using the page the story title appeared on, and not the page the author bio is on for the story that immediately proceeds the title, which is how the TOC in my paper version is put together.
 
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5. Although minor, the "Index" and "Credits" (detailed copyright info) are not listed in either current ISFDB TOC, nor in the Notes. I assume these should be added to the Notes.
 
  
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I do have two questions for you.
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I've never heard of Arcadia, although the Bookseller indicates that the parent Quercus division acquired it in September 2021m and [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/publisher.cgi?35021 it's in the database].  I see [https://twitter.com/arcadia_books the Twitter username has been changed], but not the display name is still Jo Fletcher Books.  The JFB corporate site seems unchanged, and [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Wishing-Game-magical-realism-Picoult/dp/1529436281/ Amazon currently lists a June 2024 pub as from JFB].
  
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A. What would be the appropriate ISFDB standard practice for page number of the start of a story - location of actual title, or location of the author bio before the story?
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I'll update the publisher notes for both in a minute... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 11:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)
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B. The two existing editions have primary verifiers, with Markwood for the 2000 edition and MLB for the 2003. They both appear to be still active. The same questions apply to both. I assume I should reach out to both of them - please confirm.
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: Thanks for the heads up. We probably should wait and see how they handle the book title pages - I suspect that they have quite a lot in the process of being printed so for the next few months we may still see the old name popping up. And then there will be the hell of reprints for a bit. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:44, 1 March 2024 (EST)
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::First book from the publisher here is 1978 and obviously from a different Arcadia so some differentiator should be added to the name to separate it from the others. I added the cover some time ago but there seems to be no archived copy; text search for the author only finds 3 books and only this one, https://archive.org/details/catalogofcop11libr/page/192/mode/1up, has info about his novel including a much higher page count than what's on ISFDB. There's also a note in his record here which gives birth/death dates but writer wasn't sure if it's the same person. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:59, 1 March 2024 (EST)
  
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Best wishes.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:42, 20 January 2022 (EST)
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== Heruitgave Editions ==
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: Yep, talk to both PVs on that one - you can post one the page of one of them and then link to it on the page of the other one so the discussion stays in one place (especially if you are asking about the same elements).
 
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:* "The Gray Wolf", George McDonald - check with the PVs. Won't be the first time someone missed a story in a big anthology.
 
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:* Introduction: Same as the above
 
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:* A. E. van Vogt's "The Weapons Shop" - ditto
 
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:* Pages - I hate this question :) It comes down to "what is the contents here"?. I'd argue that you have a combo of an essay and story - we just do not index the essays because they are too short. We allow only one exception to the general rule of "The number of the page on which the content begins" - an illustration preceding the contents. But that help page needs clarification for cases like this one and where the story has a title page ahead of its text and all kinds of things like that... :) Adding that to the list of things we need to discuss...
 
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:* Notes - yes. Not mandatory but I like adding them so it is clear we did not miss them
 
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: Let me know if I missed something or if something does not make sense. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:49, 21 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
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::Annie, that all makes sense. On the page numbers, given that it's currently an edge case, I will start by confirming with the PVs where their page numbers came from. Assuming it is what I suspect (the other, less likely by possible situation would be an actual change in page number for a different printing by 1 page for some stories, which is possible), I propose to make a note of this on the Notes page for those stories, and not change the actual page numbers in the TOC. Depending upon how you look at it, it is probably not wrong. Let me know if you have more thoughts on this. Best wishes and thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:47, 23 January 2022 (EST)
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Isn't [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?12217 this] just a weirdness of Amazon UK sometimes putting the Dutch word for "reissue" into listings?  I've seen it before on a few pages in the past, and for example it's [https://www.amazon.co.uk/Adventures-Tom-Bombadil-J-Tolkien/dp/0008700192?source=ps-sl-shoppingads-lpcontext&ref_=fplfs&psc=1&smid=A3P5ROKL5A1OLE here] on an upcoming Tolkien reprint from a completely different publisher.
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::: Notes are always a good thing. Talking with the other PVs too :) So sounds like a good plan. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 13:55, 23 January 2022 (EST)
 
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::::Annie, edits going along well here after input and concurrence from MLB and Markwood (both do not have a copy available, so they told me to go forward). One more question. I have confirmed that the title for the A. E. van Vogt is really "The Weapons Shop", the variant title, and not the original "The Weapon Shop". I think I have confused myself on how to deal with this. I can see myself either a) editing the title listed in the TOC to the correct title, assuming that the DB will attach to the right title record, or delete the TOC entry and re-import the correct title. Let me know if I am missing something. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 18:05, 1 February 2022 (EST)
 
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::::: "Remove title" to remove the wrong title from the publication and then Import to import the correct one. DO NOT correct the title inside of the publication (even if it appears that you can - if we do not have another publication with the parent because noone added the original yet, it will look as if you can edit it but that will cause issues because it will change the title record of the parent to be the same as the variant and will lose us the parent's title. Just adding/editing a title will never merge it with its other references - if you just add a title, then you will need to merge later on. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:47, 1 February 2022 (EST)
 
  
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:::::: Thanks. I was leaning that way, but wanted to be sure I had not confused myself into doing it the hard way. Will do, and I'll take note of this for the future.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 19:42, 1 February 2022 (EST)
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I just did a quick grep over the pages my tools generate, and I can see "Heruitgave edition" has shown up for Hodderscape, Bloomsbury, Jo Fletcher, Farshore, Walker Books, Penguin, Orbit, Vintage, Fourth Estate, HarperVoyager, maybe others.
  
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:::::::Annie, thanks for all your help. I think this is done for both versions of the anthology.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:12, 2 February 2022 (EST)
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Maybe it's something that Ahasuerus could get Fixer to automatically filter out and/or handle more intelligently?  Of course, if I *really* wanted to avoid this problem, I would have found and submitted the publication that came from myself ;-) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] ([[User talk:ErsatzCulture|talk]]) 15:04, 6 March 2024 (EST)
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:::::::: Anytime :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:13, 2 February 2022 (EST)
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: Probably. I had been clearing it out in a lot of books lately but it looked as a special edition and it had usually been there on special editions so I made it a pub series so I can look into it again. I cleared it out (for now). Sometimes it takes a few books to make it clear what something is and is not -- so I usually use my gut feeling - and then adjust/fix when things appear different.
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: Fixer is better off printing what it knows - then a human (aka yours truly) can decide what to drop - that way we lose less information. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 15:41, 6 March 2024 (EST)
  
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== Hurray for Titan! ==
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== Audible cleanup report ==
  
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Ever seen anything like this before?
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Could you please take a look at [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Audible_ASIN_cleanup_report. this Audible discussion] when you are back? Thanks. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 07:11, 15 April 2024 (EDT)
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: Will do later today. Sorry for the delay. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
  
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[https://sf.ersatzculture.com/temp/carnival.png] (Screengrab, as I imagine you won't be able to properly see that Amazon UK page without a VPN)
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== White Spawn ==
  
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Kobo GB does have it available to purchase and download now, as does Google Play Books, so I'm inclined to forget I saw that preorder date... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 14:31, 21 January 2022 (EST)
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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?555647; Does the darker image on SFE better match your copy or should the Amazon image remain? --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:38, 17 April 2024 (EDT)
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: Oh yes - that's one of Amazon's weirdnesses sometimes - rarely but happens now and then making me scratch my head. Usually means that the book is out but Amazon will get copies a bit later for one reason or another - or something like that. Second source to confirm one of those dates and all is good. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:55, 21 January 2022 (EST)
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: Do you have a link to the SFE image? Meanwhile I will see if I can figure out where this book is stored at the moment :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:22, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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:: I'm now very glad I didn't make a statement on the discussion about pub dates asserting that I'd never seen any issues with vendors reporting ebook dates...
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::It's on the SFE site at https://sf-encyclopedia.com; type White Spawn in the search bar. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 11:46, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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:: I've submitted edits to correct the tp and ebook pubs, but could you have a look at [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?863561 the audiobook] on Amazon.com?  There are no (UK) audio listings for this on Kobo or Google Play, nor on B&N (although I dunno if they do audio downloads?), and whilst Amazon UK has Dec 14th, which matches the US tp and ebook, I'd rather get confirmation from a second source, esp. for a messy case like this.  Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 17:18, 21 January 2022 (EST)
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::: "Headword Search" returns: "Search for "white spawn" — no finds". Global Search throws you into [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/entry/laidlaw_marc the author page] which does not have this specific cover. So can you please provide a link to the page you saw it? :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 12:13, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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::: If the date does not get rescheduled, they tend to be ok. When they start moving... I play "follow the clues and whack-a-mole". It settles down once the book is out - but in the meantime, it can be a bit... funny. :)
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::::You search for images on that site in the Gallery section on the right. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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::: Well, it is on Audible UK :) And Apple have it... [https://books.apple.com/us/audiobook/firefly-carnival-the-firefly-series-book-6-unabridged/id1593403552 here]. Not all books are available on Google Play - I usually check the big 4 for audiobooks in English: Audible (US and/or UK - different records), Google Play, Kobo and Apple. Some books are exclusive to one of them. Some are excluded from one or more of them. It's... annoying. And there is another platform gearing up which never shares with Amazon/Audible which I never need to worry about with Fixer because all from Fixer is Amazon's first so they never show up - but if someone wants to chase them...
 
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::: Add to that that Blackstone's audiobooks can be missing from their site (like this one) - they MAY appear at one point but... it is one of those weird things. Unless they also have the physical disks. Then it gets easier. :) 
 
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::: I fixed this audiobook. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:48, 21 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
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== Cyrillic vs transliterated titles ==
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::::: Are you referring to [https://sf-encyclopedia.com/gallery.php?id=Laidlaw-WhiteSpawn.jpg this SFE page]? Keep in mind that some Web sites' search software can be IP-sensitive, which means that it may display different images (and other content items) depending on which IP address (assigned by your Internet provider) you are coming from. Amazon has been toying with this approach and it can get annoying when different people see different images, prices, etc.
  
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Back at the Asimov and I've a question. As I run across some Russian titles in sources (e.g. OCLC), they only have transliterated titles, such as "Kratkaja istorija chimii: razvitie idej i predstavlenij v chimii". Based on other editions, I'm guessing this is "Краткая история химии: Развитие идей и представлений в химии" but it is a guess, may not always be available and is putting 'words' into the sources mouth (I do credit them carefully). Would it be acceptable to just put in the transliterated title as the Pub Title for these unverified publications? (Where both forms exist from one or more sources, I'll put them both in.). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 14:15, 25 January 2022 (EST)
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::::: SFE's software was originally written by a third party back when SFE was sponsored by a commercial entity and was supposed to drive Web traffic to certain pages. The software has been tweaked since they became independent, but there is no telling what algorithms are still lurking underneath the surface.
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: How about running them by me before adding them? If you put them latinized, they will ping on a report anyway so I will fix them when I get around to that report but I am around most days and I will be happy to transliterate back. This one is indeed "Краткая история химии:  Развитие идей и представлений в химии". :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:20, 25 January 2022 (EST)
 
  
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== Luces del norte ==
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::::: Given these uncertainties, it's always better to provide exact URLs. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 12:51, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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::::::There was nothing wrong with the IP; as she said, she searched in the wrong area at the top, Headwords/Global, instead of the gallery section where you actually search for cover images on that site. Just letting her know so when I'm gone and she ever needs to find an image she'll know where to look. --[[User:Username|Username]] ([[User talk:Username|talk]]) 12:56, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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I was just going to post to Community Portal asking for anyone with Spanish skills to confirm that edit was indeed correct... [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:25, 26 January 2022 (EST)
 
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: Already caught it and doing a surgery on it :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:26, 26 January 2022 (EST)
 
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:: Thanks - I'm spending more time than I'd like trying to sort out a load of missing UK pubs of this trilogy, all of which have annoyingly inconsistent details across the vendor sites, and I didn't want to burn even more effort on versions in a language I don't know at all ;-) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 16:34, 26 January 2022 (EST)
 
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::: My Spanish is... non-existent but I am good at chasing data in it occasionally. All [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?69119 sorted] - as much as possible for a 1997 publication anyway :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:36, 26 January 2022 (EST)
 
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== Title Regularization ==
 
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It seems that the [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Talk:Title_Regularization Talk page] is the sole repository of rules, rather than the page. Which doesn't really matter, since the only link is to the Talk page and it's buried in an archive. Less of a skeleton and more of a dust bunny (accreting material but hiding in the shadows). ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:36, 27 January 2022 (EST)
 
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: A few attempts to get people to contribute failed on deaf ears so... I am letting it lie calm for a bit before I try again. :) The basic rule is - ask a language speaker and "most languages are not English and use Sentence case and not Title case" and if you are not sure, post in Community. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 15:40, 27 January 2022 (EST)
 
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== Gwendy's Final Task ==
 
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I see you've just worked on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?877964 the US pub] of this.  A couple of comments/questions:
 
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* The UK pubs are advertised in various places as the third in a trilogy, and that's also how it's listed on Goodreads.  I asked the PV's of the (allegedly) earlier stories if they had any thoughts/objections re. putting them in a subseries of "Castle Rock".  I've yet to hear back [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mhhutchins#Gwendy.27s_Button_Box_-_subseries_of_Castle_Rock.3F here] or [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Ofearna#Gwendy.27s_Button_Box_-_subseries_of_Castle_Rock.3F here], so I'd held off submitting the UK pubs for the time being.  Do you have any thoughts?
 
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* I'm bemused the Cemetery Dance pub is claiming to be "World's 1st Edition" when [https://www.hachette.co.uk/titles/stephen-king-3/gwendys-final-task/9781399702348/ the UK pub] has the same pub date - I dunno if that statement might need qualifying in our note?  (FWIW, it looks like there's [https://www.amazon.com.au/Gwendys-Final-Task-Stephen-King/dp/1399702378/ AU/Commonwealth export edition], but not until a week later.) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 14:34, 28 January 2022 (EST)
 
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: Amazon.com claims it, it is my only source so... no clarification needed. And as both are on the same date, it is kinda correct so I left it there. :) I saw your note - I think we need to pull the 3 Gwendies in their own subseries under Castle Rock but I put it on my todo list for now - trying to make some inroads into the Fixer's queues after all the delays in the last months. Both of the PVs are not around much so I will give them time. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:42, 28 January 2022 (EST)
 
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Under A for Asimov - Fantlab entries [https://fantlab.ru/edition653 653], [https://fantlab.ru/edition622 622] and [https://fantlab.ru/edition138926 138926] have the same titles, but different translators - I think. Which makes them different TITLE records, nyet? I think I can avoid the 'unknown' translator if I assume a match to the same publisher's earlier and later editions. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 15:35, 31 January 2022 (EST)
 
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So after several days or weeks of some of my edits sitting there without anyone touching them, now you suddenly feel the need to reject 3 of them and ask me an unnecessary question about the 4th? Wouldn't have anything to do with our earlier discussion about SFE, would it (which turned out to be a discovery by me, that none of the mods here were apparently aware of, that covers on SFE are actually usable now without uploading)? I do hundreds of these edits a week, so I'll try to recall for you now the specifics of these 4: 1) The Skin of the Soul cover already has a HC cover on ISFDB which someone uploaded that is very bright and clear, while the TP cover was just taken from Amazon and has a note about some confusion with the cover, so after finding that OL has copies of both the TP and the PB from Pocket I replaced both of those covers; the Pocket cover was better than the old one here, and the TP cover is obviously taken from an actual copy someone added to Archive.org and thus that's how the cover actually looks; whether you like the old one better is irrelevant, so please un-reject and use the cover from the actual copy. 2) Why would I ask PV's about the Swann note when it isn't actually in the book? Someone obviously had info they felt was important about the shoddy typesetting and unrelated cover of this edition of Will-o-the-Wisp and added it to Wikipedia; I thought people here would like to know in case they read the book and wonder why the cover has nothing to do with the content. If you don't want people to know about it that's on you. 3) John Richards has many Corgi covers on ISFDB and the signature looks the same as the 1 "Richards" cover on ISFDB, so unless there was some other artist named Richards doing 1950's Corgi covers who signed their name exactly the same way it's obvious who it really is. Now that you made me look at this again, I've discovered that the 1960 Corgi edition, with a different cover, also has "Richards" on the lower left corner, even though "Bluesman" wrote a note here saying there's no visible signature, so John Richards actually did at least 2 Corgi covers for this title. 4) The Tomorrow Log essay is only in 1 later edition of Meisha Merlin on ISFDB but wasn't imported into the original; I think that's why I did that, but it's been so long I can't remember. I think I've answered everything, so now it's up to you what to do about all these various things. Also, MagicUnk has been holding The Bus for days now; you 2 had a discussion about it, with you saying it's not genre, which begs the question of why it's still here. --[[User:Username|Username]] 19:28, 4 February 2022 (EST)
 
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: I found them on the board, I processed them. That's how it works. That's it. Me helping you today about your question about SFE has nothing to do with any of these (none of these were SFE covers). Stop looking for conspiracies everywhere - people really do not care about you as much as you think they do and noone is trying to get you or whatever you think may be happening around the site. The reason why these were not processed earlier is most likely because people wanted to let someone else look at them because they wanted a second set of eyes before rejecting.
 
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: 1) The cover you were proposing to add is worse than the one we have already. No point replacing a better cover with a worse one. Both ARE the same cover - and unless you have the book, you cannot say which lightning makes it look closer to reality - so we keep the one which is clearer.
 
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: The Bus is moderated by another moderator and you can ask him about it. You can also just submit the deletion. Not everyone is here 24/7 or works the queue every day - we are all volunteers. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 19:38, 4 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:: Oh yes, that makes perfect sense; you're editing almost every day but just happened to notice 4 of my edits, 1 of which was sitting there for 3 weeks, on the same day that I disagreed with you about SFE's policies; yeah, right. As far as thinking people here care about me, this is the internet; nobody can see me or knows anything about me, so why you think I think total strangers on a virtual website care is bizarre bordering on paranoia. As for my edits, often images on OL don't match the actual cover on the Archive.org copy, but in this case they're exactly the same, with the back cover also having the same shadowy tint appropriate to a horror collection, so that is how the actual book looks. The editor who uploaded the beautiful HC cover took care of that edition, and I took care of the TP. You thinking some random cover from Amazon is better than an actual copy's cover makes no sense, but whatever. The Swann note is correct because that cover has nothing to do with the novel, which is readable in the 2 Fantastic issues on Archive.org where it first appeared, but I'll let that one go since anyone reading Wikipedia can find the note. The Richards thing is hilarious, since I've probably seen thousands of records here where countless editors entered the artist's name based on a signature on the cover regardless of whether the artist is credited anywhere in the book. These old PB's very often didn't have credits for artists and so a signature is often the only proof there is of who did the art. You thinking a cover artist can't be entered because they're not explicitly mentioned in the book is ridiculous. Also, the fact that I just discovered Richards did a new cover for the later Corgi edition, notwithstanding previous editor's note who apparently didn't see the signature on the cover in exactly the same spot as the one on the old cover, is a good find, and I suggest you don't let it go to waste. The Tomorrow Log thing is so unimportant I really don't care if it's rejected. As for The Bus, MagicUnk approved some of my edits recently and so is obviously around, so I think they just forgot about it. I'll just let it sit there until they finally remember to delete it, assuming they know that's what they're supposed to do based on your assertion that it doesn't really belong here in the first place. Whatever personal problems you're having, I'm not your scapegoat. All the edits and important discoveries I've made here over the last year plus, and you only seem to pop up when you can find something of mine to reject. --[[User:Username|Username]] 20:30, 4 February 2022 (EST)
 
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::: You are an interesting person - you complain when your edits are not handled, then you complain when they are handled. Yes, I did just notice them because they were between entries I am working on and because I looked for records which had been missed. Normal practice. Things get missed, skipped over and so on - moderators can skip entries they do not want to handle for one reason or another and those need to get handled sooner or later.
 
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::: You disagreed with me in the SFE discussion? I did not notice that there was a disagreement there - not sure where you saw disagreement but whatever rocks your boat, that's fine. Although even if there was a disagreement, it would not have meant anything about any other submission or conversation. As I said - stop looking for conspiracies and what's not.
 
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:::* Just as a FYI: The policy in question is [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Template:PublicationFields:ImageURL in the help page]: "The URL entered in this field should always point directly to the image, not to the Web page that contains the image. If the external site hosting the image requires you to link to the Web page that contains the image (e.g. SFE3 -- see below), then append the "pipe" character ("|") and the Web page's URL at the end of the URL of the image.". If the software needs an update to remind people of it, it needs an update but editors are supposed to read and follow the help pages. Which is why Ahasuerus is now checking with SFE to see what we need to change - the policy, the software, the warning or a combination of them. We may need to fix all the covers you added not following the policy at some point - if SFE still require that format, all of the covers you added without it, even if there was no warning will need to be fixed by someone (or replaced by covers from elsewhere). 
 
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::: As for the rest - you have your explanations on what was wrong with these, you can follow the advice on what needs to be done or ignore it but they cannot be accepted in the form you submitted them. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 20:43, 4 February 2022 (EST)
 
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::::: As always, these arguments are very boring and I could have done dozens of new edits in the time it's taken to check into your rejections and then respond here, so I'll end with these comments: the Skin of the Soul cover you rejected is what the actual print cover looks like and should have been accepted, the Swann note from Wikipedia is correct on both the typesetting issue and the unrelated cover and should have been accepted, the Richards cover is by John Richards and should have been accepted and the other Richards cover I discovered just now should also be entered as such, the Tomorrow Log essay should have been imported into the original edition where it first appeared, and The Bus should have been deleted right after you told the mod who held it that it doesn't belong on ISFDB. The way things are now, anyone searching will find an overly bright facsimile of the original Skin cover, will be confused when the Swann book they're reading has nothing to do with the cover of the book and has a synopsis inside that doesn't belong there, people searching for John Richards SF covers will not find 2 of them, the Tomorrow Log essay will continue to have a slightly wrong date, and people who stumbled on The Bus' ISFDB record will wonder why it was ever entered here in the first place when it's not a genre book. As for SFE, my accidentally finding out that SFE covers are now usable is something that none of you moderators had a clue about, obviously, and I wonder how long it would have taken for someone else to find that out or if anyone would ever have known about it without my help. You're welcome, everyone. Now back to what I do best. --[[User:Username|Username]] 23:35, 4 February 2022 (EST)
 
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== Requesting feedback ==
 
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Please see [[User_talk:Ahasuerus#Info_for_authors|here]]. Thanks! ···[[User:Nihonjoe|<font color="darkgreen">日本穣</font>]] · <small>[[Special:Contributions/Nihonjoe|<font color="blue">投稿</font>]] · [[User talk:Nihonjoe|Talk to Nihonjoe]]</small> 17:21, 8 February 2022 (EST)
 
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: Posted. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:35, 8 February 2022 (EST)
 
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Annie, I need your advice regarding [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Eric_J._Guignard#Caf.C3.A9_Tanuki this] message. I hesitate to create the canonical parent when I think the attribution is incorrect. Should I just keep monitoring and wait for a response? I know I can't change the attribution in a PV'd publiccation without the verifier or a moderator's agreement. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 15:15, 9 February 2022 (EST)
 
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== The Collected Works of Philip K. Dick - A question ==
 
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Hi Annie.
 
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I hope life is treating you well.
 
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I was recently made aware of a new edition of "The Collected Works of Philip K. Dick" on Amazon for Kindle.
 
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https://www.amazon.com/Collected-Stories-Philip-K-Dick-ebook/dp/B09QZXVHBC?fbclid=IwAR10aT86YsrFSQ7EcgCy1MTE7nwbWBOF7FIkwuXdUjCn0yEDAYrRYr_XWBo
 
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I and my friends suspect this is not a legal, licensed copy. There is no publisher listed on Amazon, no copyright page and no ISBN. Much of the contents of the original 1987 Underwood-Miller edition (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?22461) are present, but there are a few stories and introductions that are not. I did buy a copy, to make the comparison and to read it eventually.
 
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[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 12:21, 10 February 2022 (EST)
 
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: Hi, I may add some of my thoughts as well: I'd think it ''is'' a legal publication, because anybody using Amazon as a letout most likely will have to take legal action against his person if there's no license. The fact that there are some items missing IMO also points into this direction, as the licenses for their publication may not have been assigned. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 12:35, 10 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:: Maybe. But it is irrelevant for us really. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:56, 10 February 2022 (EST)
 
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: It does not matter if it is legal/authorized or not - if it exists, we catalog it. And we do not add any notes about what we think about its legality. :) Not having an ISBN is not a problem - if the only venue to sell it is either Amazon or your own store, you don't really need ISBN. And ISBNs are paid for so why pay for it if you do not need it? :)
 
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:::Annie and Stonecreek, my thanks to both of you. I appreciate your input, on a situation I have not encountered before. I have done a careful evaluation of the body of stories in the ebook against the 1987 Underwood-Miller TOC. Volumes 2 and 4 appear to be identical to the Underwood-Miller. Volumes 1, 3 and 5 have various differences, which I will reflect in a ebook 2022 version. I'll probably clone the existing volumes and then edit the ones that need it. I will not speculate on whether it is a licensed, legal publication or not. One more question - I don't see a publisher listed. Does that mean, for ISFDB, that Amazon is the publisher, or do we just omit any publisher? Thanks again.
 
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:::::Thanks. I think I'll leave it empty and observe the cover states "Citadel Twilight" in the Notes.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 14:09, 10 February 2022 (EST)
 
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::::::As of yesterday, this Kindle e-book had disappeared from the Amazon website. Apparently, it was up there for just over 3 weeks. I will put this on hold until I can confirm it is actually available again. Interestingly enough, it has not disappeared from my Kindle.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 11:56, 12 February 2022 (EST)
 
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::::::::::Got it. Two things here. 1) Yes, I will mention the 5 volumes in the Notes, treating them like Sections. 2) I checked the contents of my version vs. the 1990/1991 Citadel Twilight edition, the 2011/12 Subterranean version (first 3 books), the 2012 Gollanz/Orion version (book 5), and the 2016 Citadel/Kensington version (book 4). None of these editions match the complete 2022 version. Book 1 and 3 best matches the Subterranean, Book 2 and 4 best match the Underwood-Miller, and Book 5 best matches the Citadel-Twilight. I will import the contents for each, and then complete the necessary editing, as most of these "books" have content that will still need to be edited, deleted or added to match my version. Thanks.[[User:Dave888|Dave888]] 22:56, 20 February 2022 (EST)
 
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I just started listening to the audiobook of Catherynne M. Valente's "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2869782 The Past Is Red]" where you have verified the hardcover edition.  I had made a point of reading the earlier Garbagetown story "[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2029359 The Future Is Blue]" before I started.  I was surprised that the audiobook starts with the earlier story labeling it "Part 1, The Future is Blue".   Later it has "Part 2, The Past is Red".  If the hardcover is similarly structured, I think we may actually be a collection of two stories.  If it isn't, I can split out the audiobook into a separate title as a collection.  Could you take a look at your copy and let me know if it has both stories and if you agree?  Thanks for checking.  --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 07:48, 13 February 2022 (EST)
 
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Hi Annie. Submitter wants to change note in a book you PV[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5224426].[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:32, 13 February 2022 (EST)
 
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: I have no idea where this book is (in the middle of a library reorganization so I think I know which box it may be in but who knows) so check if Willem has his copy handy? I'm fine with the change though - the edition is the unsigned one anyway - no clue why I put Signature instead of Limitation in there... :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 18:07, 13 February 2022 (EST)
 
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I'll submit [https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/heaven-officials-blessing-mo-xiang-tong-xiu/1139972019?ean=9781648279188 this] tomorrow once I've processed my scraped data, but is this publisher/author one that Fixer isn't picking up?  I think the 3 books from them that came out late last year were submitted by a human editor, and whilst there are a bunch of other pubs that have come via Fixer, it looks like Ahasuerus processed them, not you?
 
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Hello Annie, can you help me to clear the first part of Snegows series [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?44320 Люди как боги]? The novel was first published in an anthology in 1966 under the title Галактическая разведка, in 1971 the novel was published as omnibus with the second part of the series Вторжение в Персей.
 
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::Hello Annie, I think the Russian edition in 1971 is the omnibus with the two novels look [https://www.fantlab.ru/edition5838 here]. Thanks for your help [[User:Henna|Henna]] 14:31, 14 February 2022 (EST)
 
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::: Still working on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?881713 this one] from 1966. :) But yes - that is next on my list :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:34, 14 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:::: That one was added, I will add some more editions later. The second novel actually came out under a different name initially so need to add yet another big anthology for it. :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:58, 14 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:::::Hello Annie, I want add the newest editions of the complete omnibus in German. Should I wait or go on? Many thanks for your help [[User:Henna|Henna]] 12:41, 16 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:::::: Go ahead - the Russian titles are already there - I am just adding more Russian editions between other things :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:43, 16 February 2022 (EST)
 
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Hi!  I’ve just added this juvenile [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?882028 The Dragonheads: And the Mystery of the Twelve Magical Eggs] by Neda Miranda Blazevic-Krietzman, her only fantasy, who is Croatian.  As you’re the only one who might know, has she ever published any others in this series, and what was the original title of this novel? [[User:MLB|MLB]]
 
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: As far as I know, she writes in German, Croatian and English - so that may be the original really - it was published after she had moved to the States and after she had been a professor in English for more than a decade. I don't think that her early novels are genre and most of her other work is poetry but I will look again at them. Thanks for pinging me!
 
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: PS: And you had ISBN13 as BN number again - I removed it. Please keep an eye for that - you want a BN number only if it is not the ISBN. :)  [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 23:40, 15 February 2022 (EST)
 
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Is there a way to determine if this one [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?849732], was actually released?. The ASIN and Audible ASIN have different data and show a release date of January 2022. If the first was never released, I will just change the data. If it was, I can clone another pub record. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:39, 17 February 2022 (EST)
 
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<i>Star Date 2022/02/19</i>:  Lowly Ensign MLB was contacted by Commander Annie Yotova of the “Starship ISFDB” and assigned the mundane task of cleaning up numerous mistakes made by an anonymous crewmember to the data of the Starship.  Ensign MLB is now reporting back that all the glitches have now been corrected with the hope that this will help the “Starship ISFDB” run smoother in its journey into the future…and BEYOND. [[User:MLB|MLB]] 04:42, 20 February 2022 (EST)
 
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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?849736 Osama] is probably on your follow-up list. I updated the information. I see no reference to additional stories on the W. F. Howes website. However, I left your note and the incomplete tempate to be cleared at your leisure. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 17:28, 20 February 2022 (EST)
 
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Hi Annie. I recently became aware that Tiptree's "The Last Flight of Dr. Ain" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?52116) was heavily edited for it's 2nd appearance, in the 1974 "SF: Author's Choice 4" anthology edited by Harry Harrison.
 
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Archives

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John Bowen

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?869322; Should have (21st century) added to author; other edition has it to differ this Bowen from the older one. --Username (talk) 11:22, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Yep - thanks. Fixed. Annie (talk) 17:59, 29 January 2024 (EST)

Fixer addition

Annie, I have Water Dragon Publishing reasonably complete, but it should be added to Fixer's list. I'm pinging you since you post all the requests on Fixer's talk page. John Scifibones 11:37, 12 February 2024 (EST)

I will ask it to be added to the recognized publishers - if it is not there already :) Which may or may not help - there are way too many of them. Not being on the list does not mean that it is ignored at the moment. The requests on the Talk page of Fixer are cleanup and not really how we add publishers to the recognized list. :) Annie (talk) 11:39, 12 February 2024 (EST)
Water Dragon Publishing has been added to Fixer's "Recognized Publishers" list. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:02, 22 February 2024 (EST)

Upcoming Tor UK subimprints

Just a very early heads up on Bramble and Nightfire UK; article says their first title is due November, so I guess it'll be a while before Fixer finds anything for them, although perhaps ebooks might show up earlier if they decide to make those simultaneous with US releases?

Apologies if my inactivity here is causing you extra workload; I haven't completely given up on contributing, but (a) dealing with current events have been taking more of my time, and (b) I'd already decided at the end of last year that I just couldn't work up the enthusiasm to work on the endless stream of stuff that the UK publishers are now putting out that I have zero interest in. I do intend to try to fill in any gaps in UK coverage up to the end of 2023, and to submit 2024+ pubs that are things I have an interest in - which I don't think is *that* different from what most editors here do? - but someone else can deal with all the romantasy etc stuff, hopefully not just you alone... ErsatzCulture (talk) 05:11, 22 February 2024 (EST)

People do what they are interested in :) Hopefully once Fixer gets rewritten, we will get a few more people working on new books but it is what it is.
Too early to even think of this imprint and I suspect that the US side will see them as Tor anyway - so we shall see them. But I will get the name to Fixer to be added to the recognized publishers. Annie (talk) 10:17, 22 February 2024 (EST)

Jo Fletcher Books no more?

Just FYI, from the new issue of Ansible: 

   Jo Fletcher is suffering the traditional fate of departed founding editors: Quercus has mass-emailed past and present Jo Fletcher Books authors with the ‘exciting news’ that JFB is being rebranded this month – or rather, absorbed into the parent company’s existing imprint Arcadia.

I've never heard of Arcadia, although the Bookseller indicates that the parent Quercus division acquired it in September 2021m and it's in the database. I see the Twitter username has been changed, but not the display name is still Jo Fletcher Books. The JFB corporate site seems unchanged, and Amazon currently lists a June 2024 pub as from JFB.

I'll update the publisher notes for both in a minute... ErsatzCulture (talk) 11:42, 1 March 2024 (EST)

Thanks for the heads up. We probably should wait and see how they handle the book title pages - I suspect that they have quite a lot in the process of being printed so for the next few months we may still see the old name popping up. And then there will be the hell of reprints for a bit. Annie (talk) 11:44, 1 March 2024 (EST)
First book from the publisher here is 1978 and obviously from a different Arcadia so some differentiator should be added to the name to separate it from the others. I added the cover some time ago but there seems to be no archived copy; text search for the author only finds 3 books and only this one, https://archive.org/details/catalogofcop11libr/page/192/mode/1up, has info about his novel including a much higher page count than what's on ISFDB. There's also a note in his record here which gives birth/death dates but writer wasn't sure if it's the same person. --Username (talk) 11:59, 1 March 2024 (EST)

Heruitgave Editions

Isn't this just a weirdness of Amazon UK sometimes putting the Dutch word for "reissue" into listings? I've seen it before on a few pages in the past, and for example it's here on an upcoming Tolkien reprint from a completely different publisher.

I just did a quick grep over the pages my tools generate, and I can see "Heruitgave edition" has shown up for Hodderscape, Bloomsbury, Jo Fletcher, Farshore, Walker Books, Penguin, Orbit, Vintage, Fourth Estate, HarperVoyager, maybe others.

Maybe it's something that Ahasuerus could get Fixer to automatically filter out and/or handle more intelligently? Of course, if I *really* wanted to avoid this problem, I would have found and submitted the publication that came from myself ;-) ErsatzCulture (talk) 15:04, 6 March 2024 (EST)

Probably. I had been clearing it out in a lot of books lately but it looked as a special edition and it had usually been there on special editions so I made it a pub series so I can look into it again. I cleared it out (for now). Sometimes it takes a few books to make it clear what something is and is not -- so I usually use my gut feeling - and then adjust/fix when things appear different.
Fixer is better off printing what it knows - then a human (aka yours truly) can decide what to drop - that way we lose less information. :) Annie (talk) 15:41, 6 March 2024 (EST)

Audible cleanup report

Could you please take a look at this Audible discussion when you are back? Thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 07:11, 15 April 2024 (EDT)

Will do later today. Sorry for the delay. Annie (talk) 11:22, 24 April 2024 (EDT)

White Spawn

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?555647; Does the darker image on SFE better match your copy or should the Amazon image remain? --Username (talk) 11:38, 17 April 2024 (EDT)

Do you have a link to the SFE image? Meanwhile I will see if I can figure out where this book is stored at the moment :) Annie (talk) 11:22, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
It's on the SFE site at https://sf-encyclopedia.com; type White Spawn in the search bar. --Username (talk) 11:46, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
"Headword Search" returns: "Search for "white spawn" — no finds". Global Search throws you into the author page which does not have this specific cover. So can you please provide a link to the page you saw it? :) Annie (talk) 12:13, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
You search for images on that site in the Gallery section on the right. --Username (talk) 12:23, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
Are you referring to this SFE page? Keep in mind that some Web sites' search software can be IP-sensitive, which means that it may display different images (and other content items) depending on which IP address (assigned by your Internet provider) you are coming from. Amazon has been toying with this approach and it can get annoying when different people see different images, prices, etc.
SFE's software was originally written by a third party back when SFE was sponsored by a commercial entity and was supposed to drive Web traffic to certain pages. The software has been tweaked since they became independent, but there is no telling what algorithms are still lurking underneath the surface.
Given these uncertainties, it's always better to provide exact URLs. Ahasuerus (talk) 12:51, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
There was nothing wrong with the IP; as she said, she searched in the wrong area at the top, Headwords/Global, instead of the gallery section where you actually search for cover images on that site. Just letting her know so when I'm gone and she ever needs to find an image she'll know where to look. --Username (talk) 12:56, 24 April 2024 (EDT)
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