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DAW edition of Vance's The Gray Prince

The listing of this pub in Locus #256 (May 1982) indicates that the stated printing date is wrong, being exactly one year off. Further evidence that it was published in March 1982 are the printing dates of the books within the same ISBN range: The Pillars of Eternity has the next ISBN in the sequence, and Flight to Opar follows that one. Both are published in March 1982. I'm not sure how to handle a situation where the stated date of publication is an obvious error other than to correct the date and note the misprint in the notes field. I'll leave any changes (or not) to you. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:33, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I think the actual date is preferable and have added a note. Let me know if you think it serves. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:14, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

artist credit on Merlin's Godson

I have a copy of your verified Merlin's Godson, with "Cover art by Darrell Sweet" (no "K."), and the signature on the cover is likewise "DARRELL" over "SWEET" -- the second "L" is cut off, but the edge of it is visible; I obviously have no way to know if there's a "K." after that, also cut off.... I normally wouldn't sweat the precision of an artist credit too much, but we already have this cover by Darrell K. Sweet set up with this variant by Darrell Sweet, so it seems worth getting it precise. --MartyD 01:53, 31 December 2010 (UTC)

I agree, since we do have an actual credit. Do we want to get Willem H.'s buy in on this as well? I'll leave a note on his page. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:55, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Absolutely. I was just wanting to get your thoughts first. Thanks. --MartyD 03:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
As you say, the cover is credited to Darrell Sweet on the copyright page, and the "K" is not visible on the cover, so according to the "as stated in the pub" rule it should be credited that way. I have not been very sharp on those (I think) minor differences. I checked Fantasy of the 20th Century, page 119, and there the signature is even more cut off, but it is credited to Darrell K. Sweet there. Do make the change for Merlin's Godson. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:18, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Thank you both. I have made the change and done the clean-up. --MartyD 11:59, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Kurtz's Deryni Archives

According to Locus1, there is a novelette ("Lords of Sorandor") and a novel outline following the Appendices, starting on page 257 in this collection. Are they missing from your copy or simply missing from the record? There are two more pubs of this record, but both appear to have been cloned from yours. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:55, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

That sounds like one of the missing stories referenced in here, so Robert Reginald may have the information too. BLongley 17:16, 3 January 2011 (UTC)
Actually, it was Reginald's submission that brought the omission to my attention. I was linking all of the story reviews and couldn't find it listed in the db. Mhhutchins 04:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
It's there. It comprises a part of Appendix IV along with a couple of essays ("How the Series Began" and "The Dream that Became Deryni"), a precis of Deryni Rising and an outline of Deryni Rising. The contents of Aappendix IV are not broken out in the table of contents, but each have a heading where they occur. I can add the subordinate contents to Appendix IV, but am unsure of how to handle it. That is, should I leave an entry for the appendix, as well as entries for each of the constituent parts? The other appendices don't lend themselves to subdivision. I could do the appendix as a series, but that feels like abuse of the series. Thoughts? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:07, 4 January 2011 (UTC)
If only we had a GROUP TITLE type, alas... I make do by creating an ESSAY record for the Appendix title, and one for each of its constituent parts (either SHORTFICTION or ESSAY, depending of course on what they are.) Mhhutchins 04:12, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

If I recall correctly, "Lords of Sorandor" was written in the 1960s, and actually published first in The Deryni Archives [the magazine published by Katherine Kurtz], issue #1, December, 1978, p. 16-31, and #2, July, 1979, p. 18-30, and then reprinted in book form in The Deryni Archives book, August 1986, p. 256-303. Pieces of it were later reworked into Deryni Rising, KK's first commercial publication. Katherine published her magazine in ten issues between 1978-1984, and then it was picked up Mary Greeley and Yvonne John, and ran at least four more issues between 1985-92. There were a few others released beyond that date, I believe. I have them all buried somewhere in my papers. All of the things that you're discussing were either story notes from the 1960s or proposals to the publisher, Ballantine Books. If you have further questions, I can ask Katherine. Robertreginald 17:40, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

Slusser's The Farthest Shores of Ursula K. Le Guin

I have started a project to update the ISFDB records of Borgo Press publications, based on info from BP 300. I've added notes and contents to this pub. Please check to see if it matches your copy. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:45, 6 January 2011 (UTC)

I expanded the note about the additional ISBN which does appear on the copyright page. The Newcastle ISBN (the one in the ISBN field) is from the back cover. Do you think we should list the publisher as Borgo / Newcastle? The title page only mentions Borgo. The Back cover lists both publishers. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:51, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
According to Reginald's introduction, the books were distributed by Newcastle from Borgo's inception (April 1976) until 1980. The first four books were given ISBNs from the range assigned to Newcastle (0-87877-), but were later released with Borgo's own ISBN numbers (0-89370-). I'll ask him why the book would have both numbers, when BP 300 implies that the first editions had Newcastle numbers. As for giving "Borgo / Newcastle", that would indicate Borgo was an imprint published by Newcastle, and that doesn't seem right. I'll clear that up too. Mhhutchins 14:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Borgo Press was independently owned and operated by Robert Reginald (i.e., Michael Burgess) and Mary Wickizer Rogers (Burgess from October 15, 1976) from its inception in mid-1975, but it was distributed to the trade by Newcastle Publishing Company, Inc.--which was also edited by Douglas Menville and Robert Reginald from its initial list in June 1971 (it was a sister company of Nectar Press, Inc., publisher of Forgotten Fantasy magazine). Newcastle was owned and operated initially by Alfred and Joseph Saunders (Joe, the older brother, later dropped out to become a real estate agent), who also owned the bookstore, The Sunset-Vine Bookmart, in Hollywood, California. The first few BP books were assigned Newcastle ISBNs (prefix 0-87877- ) for distribution purposes (before we got our own register); to avoid confusion with the Newcastle book numbers, which used the "000" range for Newcastle's regular list and the "100" range for the Newcastle Forgotten Fantasy Library (which, by the way, is the actual title of this monographic series), we were given numbers in the "200" range--and we continued this when we got our own 0-89370- prefix. When we withdrew from our distribution agreement with Newcastle at the beginning of 1980, and changed our orientation to library publishing, we assigned our own ISBNs to the books with Newcastle ISBNs, although this was an internal device only, and the new numbers did not appear on the already-printed copies. However, the rebound hardcover editions, which began to appear in 1980, always had the new ISBN numbers either labeled (intially) or stamped (later) on the plain dark brown or (later) light gray covers. We initially used a local San Bernardino bindery, California Zip Bindery, owned by the late Jack Troy, and later Kater-Craft Bookbinders in Pico Rivera. We also rebound Newcastle's trade paperbacks for the library market, assigning Borgo ISBNs in the "600" range. Almost all of the Borgo Press paperbound books had actual print runs, with a few exceptions that are noted in BP 300. Robertreginald 17:27, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the info, Robert. Does that mean Ron's copy which has the Borgo ISBN on the copyright page is a later printing, and the covers from the initial printings with the Newcastle ISBN were used in the binding, or did all of the printed copies have the Borgo ISBN on their copyright pages? I suspect the latter would not be true, otherwise you'd be using the Borgo numbers from the start, right? Mhhutchins 20:34, 6 January 2011 (UTC)
I'll add that the copyright page states "First Printing - - - - - September, 1976" over a full number line. So it appears to be a first printing.
I don't have a problem leaving the publisher as simply Borgo. However, it brings to mind several other publications I've entered where there is a joint publisher: This and this were published by Pellegrini & Cudahy for Arkham House. This and 3 others are a collaboration between Arkham House, The August Derleth Society and Battered Silicon Dispatch Box. This is a collaboration between Borgo and Underwood. In none of these cases is one publisher an imprint of one of the others. Should we consider (or do we already have) a different notation for collaborations (printing, distribution, joint publication) between otherwise unrelated publishers? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:07, 7 January 2011 (UTC)
If we ever get a separate imprint field, I'm afraid editors will want to separate the two publishers. Joint ventures would still need to show both entities in the publisher field. So the books of Ursus Imprints/Mark V. Ziesing would clearly indicate a joint publisher and not an "imprint / publisher" (despite the coincidence of "Ursus" calling itself an imprint, when it's not.) But publisher and distributor shouldn't be confused. Tor's books are distributed (or once were) by St. Martin's, but I'd never enter a pub as "Tor / St. Martin's". There will be oddities like the years when Berkley hardcovers were distributed by Putnam, and chose to call the partnership "Berkley/Putnam". That would still be entered into one field. I can't imagine adding an additional field for distributor.
Joint publications are common enough that we would need to set up clear guidelines when the new imprint field is introduced. Those publications that you cite might confuse users who are familiar with the "imprint / publisher" method. But I can think of no other way to indicate joint publishers. It would be nice to make it more obvious, so that when the new field is implemented, a program can be written that the system would make a global change. I can't imagine doing it manually. Mhhutchins 05:20, 7 January 2011 (UTC)


Hi, Ron! Here I am again about Millenium vs Gollancz:) Could you please check this one? Is it indeed Millenium? My copy has no number line, Gollancz/Orion on the back, G-in-star elsewhere and statement "This edition first printed in Great Britain in 2001 by Gollancz" on copyright page w/o mentioning previuos Millenium edition. Thanks! P-Brane 04:27, 11 January 2011 (UTC).

On closer inspection, I've verified the wrong edition. Mine states "Second impression 2004". The Locus listing gives the imprint as "Orion/Millennium". If you've got that edition, I'd suggest that you go ahead and update it, but I'd also add a note that Locus is incorrect. I'm going to clone the first printing and move the verifications around. If yours is a second, feel free to add a verification. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:52, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Path Into the Unknown

Your verified Path Into the Unknown (1968 collection of Russian SF) had a note that "Cover art not credited, but 'Powers' is visible on the cover." At least on my copy, the cover art is credited to Powers on the back cover, along the spine, so I changed that note to "Cover art is credited on the back cover, and 'Powers' is visible on the front cover." Chavey 00:06, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

Northanger Abbey publisher

Hi. I'm wondering if your verified Northanger Abbey should be changed to have a publisher of "Barnes & Noble" and a Pub Series of "Barnes & Noble Classics" instead (now that we have Pub Series available). What do you think? --MartyD 12:06, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

That sounds fine and I've gone ahead and made the change. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:33, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Possibly a typo

Hi there. I suspect a typo in the name of the cover artist of this pub. Could you please check? Stonecreek 16:00, 1 February 2011 (UTC)

Definitely a typo, now corrected. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:49, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Added note & cover artist

I added cover credits and notes about it's inclusion in a box set for verified [1]& [2]. Don Erikson 21:36, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Conan: The Flame Knife

Can you verify the spelling of the artist's name in this pub? Most records credit "Esteban Maroto". Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:27, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

The title page simply lists "Maroto", however copyright page states "Illustrations copyright © 1981 by Estaban Maroto", with the "a". I think maybe we should go with the "Maroto" variant from the title page and note the misspelling on the copyright page. Do you agree? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:42, 6 February 2011 (UTC)
I agree. Title page credit trumps copyright even if it (the copyright) was spelled correctly. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:24, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

The Bishop's Heir cover

I replaced the default Amazon cover with an actual cover scan for The Bishop's Heir. AndonSage 00:55, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

pb of Time to Come ed. by Derleth

Can you verify that the author of "The Blight" is credited as Arthur J. Cox? It appears that only a couple of stories appeared under this name early in his career. Almost every later piece was credited to Arthur Jean Cox. I'm thinking about reversing the pseudonym/parent relationship, but that would take several dozen submissions. Before doing so, I wanted to make sure which stories are properly credited to "Arthur J." Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:58, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it is "Arthur J. Cox" on the title page (and table of contents). Derleth does give his full name in an biographical paragraph preceding the story. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 04:04, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Briefing for a Descent Into Hell, Doris Lessing

I added a month of publication to your verified publication. The month/year is listed on the back jacket flap. Chavey 20:37, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Quest for Lost Heroes (Gemmell) cover image

I replaced the Amazon cover image with an actual cover scan for your verified Quest for Lost Heroes and tidied up the Notes while I was editing the record. AndonSage 21:34, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Creating variants for foreign language title records

I see that you did an OCLC verification for this record and wondered if perhaps you were the one that entered the contents and made them variants of the English title records. It's ISFDB policy that stories translated from English into other languages retain their original name and merged with the English title record. If the editor wants, he can give the French title in the notes, but the content records must be the English title record, not made into a variant. See the third bullet on this help page for the policy. I went ahead and corrected the listings in this publication changing those that had French titles (two novels and two collections) back into English and merging them with the original English title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:19, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

I'm certain that it was me. I worked a bit on Stevenson's page before I got tired of it. I think my reasoning entering the data as I did was that I thought we had two different rules. One governing the title of book length titles (the help page you cite), and the other for titles which appear in containers (collections, omnibus and anthologies). I only entered the shorter works by their English titles because I could only find records of that publication containing the collections, not the contents of the collections themselves. I'll correct the records for the first pub, however, I want to ask a question first. For this collection, we need a variant title (because of the R.L. Stevenson pseudonym) anyway and an English variant under that pseudonym does not already exist. Is it better to have the variant with the French title as published, or an English title that doesn't exist in any publication? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:54, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
That's a head-scratcher. Which rule do we follow when one conflicts with the other? I think we'll have to create a variant of the English title with the R. L. Stevenson pseudonym. At least this way we don't establish a precedent of creating a foreign language variant for a title originally published in English. BTW, the only thing I found in the other help page you linked to that conflicted with the general rule against creating variants for foreign language reprints, was in the first paragraph that "the title should appear exactly as published". I sure when that was written foreign language reprints weren't even allowed in the database. If that contradicts the general rule, it should be qualified to indicate the foreign language exception. Mhhutchins 03:56, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Thuvia, Maid of Mars

Scanned in a new image and added notes [there were none] for [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:31, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

Nebula Award Stories Five cover artist

Paul Lehr is credited as the cover artist for this pub. The cover is clearly Lehr's style, but he is not mentioned in the pub, nor in Jane Frank's book. Do you have any idea where the credit came from? Thanks, --Willem H. 10:31, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

I can only assume that the artist was already credited when I first got to the record. I generally won't remove anything that's already been entered unless I know it to be wrong. I've got a note on my talk page when Harry went over the record, but he didn't mention anything about the cover artist. I've double checked what other references that I can find, but with no luck. Feel free to add a note that we don't know the source of the artist if you'd like. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:20, 26 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for checking. I added a note to the pub. I see no reason to remove the credit to Lehr. --Willem H. 19:20, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

The SF&F Readers' Advisory

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 18:16, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Nebula Award Stories Ten

I added some notes to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 21:24, 26 February 2011 (UTC)

Barbara Hunt's Sea Change

With respect to your secondary source verified Sea Change, the date of the publication is listed as 1904, but the author's birth is given as 1907. The OCLC record says 1946. As you also gave Reginald1 and Bleiler78 verifications, I'm brining it to you vs. just changing it to the OCLC date. Thanks. -JLaTondre 22:10, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

I must have fat-fingered it. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:13, 1 March 2011 (UTC)

New Worlds SF, October 1966

I changed the cover artist for this verified pub from R.Roberts to Keith Roberts, and added a note. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:12, 5 March 2011 (UTC)

Secret of Sinharat/People of the Talisman

You are the "Primary2" verifier for this Ace double, with both stories by Leigh Brackett. At the beginning of "People of the Talisman" there is a one-page "About the Author" essay by Edmond Hamilton (Leigh's husband). That seems worth adding to the contents, so I'm submitting that change. Chavey 04:44, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Spellstone of Shaltus

You are the primary verifier for this book, by Linda Bushyager. Someone added a cover photo for this publication that is the one from the 2010 edition of the book. I have removed that photo. I've also added a content item for the map by Janny Wurts. A question: The artist in this verified copy is attributed to Clyde Caldwell, but I can't see how that signature on the cover can possibly be that name. Can you make out what it says? Chavey 06:51, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

I approved your edit and added back a link to the right cover. I don't know how Clyde Caldwell got in there. It could have been there when I verified the record, or added sometime later. I pulled a couple of other books with Caldwell covers (with better crediting) and the signature is clearly different, aside from not looking like Caldwell. Because of this, I've gone ahead and removed the artist as well. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:57, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Penguin Science Fiction

FYI, I cloned your edition of Penguin Science Fiction for my 4th printing and found two differences. The acknowledgements are credited to J. G. Ballard in your edition, but not in mine (the last acknowledgement is for Ballard's story) I removed this from my printing. Second, the Walter M. Miller Jr. story is in my edition as by Walter M. Miller (without the Jr.) --Willem H. 20:46, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

And one more thing, the cover illustration is credited to Brian Keogh in my edition (inside frontcover). --Willem H. 06:31, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Correction made. I don't usually enter acknowledgements, so I suspect was sloppy in verifying a record that was already there. Thank for catching these. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:42, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

"Coming Attractions"

Just a note that I have turned "Introduction (Coming Attractions)" in your verified Coming Attractions into a VT since Dwight W. Batteau was a pseudonym used by Dwight Wayne Batteau. A clever disguise, you have to admit! ;-) Ahasuerus 04:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Sometime, Never

I added some notes to this verified pub. --Willem H. 19:19, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Walk to the End of the World

I'm adding a content item to your verified edition of this book; adding the map at the beginning as an Internal Art content item. It's uncredited, but I'm going to be seeing the author in a few weeks, and I'll ask her about the artist then. Chavey 12:19, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Sydney H, Bounds

You verified this pub which contains a review (p64) by Sydney H, Bounds. I assume the comma is a typo and it should instead be Sydney H. Bounds? Or is it that way in the book? --JLaTondre 17:52, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for making me look at this one again. It was farther wrong than you suggested and actually should be "Sydney J. Bounds". Now corrected. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:43, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Horror: Another 100 Best Books

Is the essay about "Pages from Cold Point" by Bowles (on page 224 of this book) a review of the short story or a collection? There was a 1968 collection titled Pages from Cold Print and Other Stories. I'm trying to figure out if the review is correctly linked. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:13, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Good catch! I've re-pointed the review, which it turns out specifies the contents of the collection, so I was able to add those as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:44, 20 April 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for re-linking the review. I added the pub record for the collection just this morning suspecting it might be the book under review. Thanks for taking the time to add the contents also. Another link fixed on this list. Mhhutchins 23:52, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

Weird Tales, Jan-Feb 2008

Another review to check: in this issue, the review of Clark Ashton Smith for his story ("The Black Abbot of Puthuum") or this contemporaneous chapbook (which currently doesn't have a record in the db.) If it's the latter, I'll create a record and link it to the review. Mhhutchins 23:57, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

It's the chapbook, and it appears to be an extended version of the story which was edited for the magazine publication. The OCLC record gives the publisher as "RAS Press". The review makes it clear that this is a revival of "Roy A. Squires" press by his heir with publication on the 20th anniversary of the last publication from that press. We tend to be a little looser with publishers, so I'm inclined to keep this with the existing "Roy A. Squires" publisher and note how it is stated in the colophon. Since you offered to add the publication I'll let you go ahead and decide if we should merge the stories, and which publisher to use. Other information gleaned from the review: It was offered at $49.95. They say 44 pages, designed by Gerald Lange of The Bleiler Press and printed on Mohawk 50/10 Matte and Curtis Flannel. Limited to 250 copies hand sewn into its covers. I'll grumble now, that by bringing this to my attention, you got me to order a copy. I'll primary verify when it arrives. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:44, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Publication record created for the chapbook, awaiting your tweaking. I chose to go with the OCLC record for publisher name, and merged the shortfiction records into one record, noting the difference in text. It's ISFDB policy not to create a variant based on text, so the note will have to suffice until the db supports textual differences when the author and title are identical.
And I know what you mean about buying a book based on finding something interesting in the db. I can't tell you how many times I've stopped in the middle of what I was doing, and go looking for a copy of a book on and wind up purchasing it on the spur of the moment. Oh, well, such is the life of the bibliographer slash bibliophile slash night owl slash "because it's just so damn easy to spend money when all you have to do is click a button" excuse-maker. Mhhutchins 02:59, 21 April 2011 (UTC)
Alas, the copy that I ordered, which was the only one on ABE, had already sold. The seller told me he'd try to track down another, but I may not be able to do a primary on this one. It's too bad. I've always been curious about Squires pubs. While expensive, this one is a tenth of the price that I see others for. Thanks for adding the record. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:06, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Cover credit

I recently purchased a copy of your verified Dean Ing's SYSTEMIC SHOCK [3] and in my opinion (& I'm pretty sure) the cover artist is by Paul Alexander, going by the signature and the style which both are very distinctive. But an opinion isn't something I would use to change a verified entry. So it's up to you. By the way I just discovered that this copy is signed AND inscribed on the dedication page to the dedicationees. Don Erikson 21:10, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

If you feel the signature is that of Alexander, please go ahead and update the record. You can add a note that you are basing it on the signature and style. We can always adjust it if more definitive evidence comes to light. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:02, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

The World and Thorinn

Hi, you state "No table of contents & stories are not separated in a way as to give page numbers for them" for this book, but have you looked at pp. vii-viii?. It may not reflect the original stories, but I have no access to them. --Dirk P Broer 16:26, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Take a look at the copyright page. It mentions three stories that the book is comprised of. I wouldn't begin to know how to map the 14 chapters in the table of contents to those stories. The statement that there is no table of contents likely predates my verification. Please feel free to adjust it if you'd like. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:32, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Howard's The Hand of Kane

I think the date of this pub may be few years too early, regardless of Owings & Chalker (we've caught several errors from them before). According to this Howard bibliography website the second printing (the first with Ned Dameron's interior art) was published in 1976. Dameron doesn't have any credits before 1976 in the db. Is there a stated date of publication in your copy? Mhhutchins 00:07, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

One of the illustrations is signed "Dameron 76". The only other date is the 1968 copyright. I'll update to the 76 date, but I'm inclined to stay with a third printing, or at least note the discrepancy. I can see Chalker & Owings getting the date wrong, but they'd have to be awfully far off to get the number of printings (with print totals) wrong. I wonder if 71 is actually the date of the 2nd printing. However, that's pure speculation. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:41, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


Scanned in new images, added the map to contents and expanded the notes slightly for [this]. I am curious of the source for the #29 part of the Ballantine Adult Fantasy series. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm sure the source for the numbering of the BAFs is Lin Carter's Imaginary Worlds. One of the appendices numbers all the BAFs published up to that point. The Wikipedia article on the series extrapolates the numbering from there. The books themselves never reflected series numbers. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:28, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
I created Ballantine_Adult_Fantasy_Series before we had Publication Series available in software, and am probably responsible for most of the numbering. My main source was The Haunted Bibliophile, which does credit "Imaginary Worlds" as one of the sources. BLongley 19:00, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Thong the Barbarian

(Comment below was posted on your User page, and I've moved it to your talk page. Chavey 20:08, 28 April 2011 (UTC))
Hi. I see you've verified the book "Thong the Barbarian ..." by reference to Locus. I was searching for works of Michael Reaves and ran across it when I misspelled his name as "Reeves". I would assume that the second author's name on the book should be "Reaves", not "Reeves", since the cover scan shows the name as "Reaves", and Reaves wrote several other books with Perry.

I'd try and correct it, but I don't have the book to check it against, and I'm not sure what the procedure is anyway. Perhaps Locus misspelled the author's name?

--Sjmathis 14:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it looks like it is Chalker and Owings who got it wrong. Locus has it as "J. Michael Reaves". Please go ahead and change it (as well as the contents), or I can do it if you'd prefer. I'd probably still go with Locus and assume that the title page has "J. Michael" instead of Michael as on the cover. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:56, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Pool of Twilight

Could you check the British price on your verified Pool of Twilight? I have a second printing, and it has all the prices the same as your 1st printing, except that you list the British price as £3.99, while my version lists it as £4.99. So I wonder if this might be a typo? Chavey 20:11, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

I double checked, and it isn't a typo. Actually, you can see the price on the cover scan. I wonder if the exchange rate drove the up price only for the UK? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:41, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Weird Tales, January 1938

Can you check the record type for the Virgil Finlay credit on page 71 of this issue? Looks like it should be interiorart. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:01, 30 April 2011 (UTC)

Also check Weird Tales, Summer 1974, page 81 by Sickler. Mhhutchins 20:02, 30 April 2011 (UTC)
Got em. Happily, the January 38 issue was still in the stack to be filed and so, easy to get at. I'm usually certain enough in these cases that I just missed the entry type pulldown, but I still like to look at the issue to make certain. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:13, 1 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks like ISFDB:Dup Shortfiction counts as a successful project. I think that's a candidate for a new Moderator Clean-Up script if I can improve the performance, but at 2 Minutes 41 seconds to generate that list I'm not adding it yet! BLongley 19:02, 1 May 2011 (UTC)

Planet Stories / Paizo Publishing, LLC

You verified three of the Planet Stories series, Black God's Kiss, Elak of Atlantis and Northwest of Earth, with "Planet Stories" as publisher. I would like to change the publisher to "Paizo Publications, LLC" and make Planet Stories a publication series. The notes already state they're #3, #4 and #6 in the series. Can you agree? Thanks, --Willem H. 19:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC) You verified The Dark World by Henry Kuttner, with "Planet Stories" as publisher. I would like to change the publisher to "Paizo Publications, LLC" and make Planet Stories a publication series. The copyright page should state it's #16 in the series. Can you agree? Thanks, --Willem H. 19:19, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

I think you reversed your notes to me and Swfritter. Regardless, I have no objections to the change that you propose. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:40, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Oops, sorry. Anyway, thanks. Will do if Swfritter agrees. --Willem H. 19:49, 2 May 2011 (UTC)
Finished. Result is here. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:34, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

The Weird Ones

Is H. L. Gold actually credited as the editor of this book? Reginald1 says it was uncredited, and anonymously edited by Ivan Howard. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:22, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

The title page says "Introduced by H.L. Gold" with no other credits on the title page or elsewhere. Gold was probably listed as editor when I found the record, though I probably would have taken "Introduced by" as an odd way of specifying the editor. I'm fine with changing it in favor of the Reginald listing. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:03, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Majipoor Chronicles

I replaced the Amazon cover image with an actual scanned cover image, and added some notes, to your verified Majipoor Chronicles. AndonSage 09:34, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Second Stage Lensman

How is the author credited on this book's title page? The record currently gives his name with "Ph.D." which matches the cover, but it is under the non-"Ph.D." title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:56, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

The publication title is correct, and I've unmerged and made variant. Sorry I missed that one. Smith certainly has more than the average number of name variants. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:35, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Something else I just noticed (and should have asked you before): is it titled "...Lensman" or "...Lensmen" (plural)? Mhhutchins 21:02, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
"Lensmen". Fixed that one too. I should have caught that as I was studying the two E. E. 'Doc' Smith variants thinking they should be merged. It took me a moment to see the a vs the e. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
That's one author that's caught me out several times. And it keeps getting worse - see Elmer Edward Smith. If things like this are IndyPublish's error rather than Amazon's, I'm never buying a book from them. Imagine what they could do with Fanthorpe's back-catalogue! BLongley 22:36, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
I've got the Old Earth Books set of Smith's Lensman series, which I hadn't previously entered (actually, my partner's books and going through our combined collection is what I haven't gotten around to yet). They all appear to be the "Edward E. Smith, Ph.D" variant and I've corrected two already (Second Stage Lensmen and Triplanetary) and will be doing the rest. Since the OEBs are facsimiles of the Fantasy Press editions, and the FP editions all have "Ph.D." on the cover, do we have enough evidence to assume the Ph.D. variant for all the FP editions? I'm thinking that it's likely. I've verified Second Stage Lensmen, as well as the FP paperback reprint of Galactic Patrol that was likely done from the hardback plates. Also, the Gnome press offset reprint of Gray Lensman has the Ph.D. (Our records are wrong. It's another of my partner's and I'll correct soon). Do either of you (or anyone else following my page), agree? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:20, 9 May 2011 (UTC)
I agree that the Fantasy Press editions are all probably the Ph.D. variant. Until we get a primary verification, the OEB facsimiles are the next best thing. Please feel free to make the corrections. It will also affect the History of Civilization set, so change those content records as well. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:45, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

(The) Mirror of Her Dreams

Does this printing drop "The" from the title? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:45, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

No, and now fixed. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

The Pixilated Peeress

Is Catherine Crook de Camp not credited in this pub? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:26, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes and now fixed. Thanks for catching these. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:16, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Our Lady of Darkness

Added a new image [assuming the second printing still had the "First Time In Paperback" blurb...] and identified the artist as Powers from the hardcover edition and Jane Frank to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:52, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

The cover is identical. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:35, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Worlds of Fritz Leiber

New image and slightly expanded notes to [Worlds of Fritz Leiber] --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:42, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

The Burrowers Beneath

Scanned in a new image , added a couple of notes about the artwork to [this] Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 02:10, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Messiah at the End of Time

New image, expanded notes for [A Messiah at the End of Time] --~ Bill, Bluesman 04:21, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Door Into Shadow, Diane Duane

I added a content item to your verified publication about an internal fold-out art piece. I also added a note about an in-universe essay on p. 297. Chavey 09:30, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Two lamentable questions on The Dying Earth

- Does this pub have individual afterwords by the shortfiction authors? I'd like to add them to the British edition but am not sure about the dating.

- And one question on Elizabeth Moon's contribution. In my copy it is 'An Incident in Uskvosk' instead of 'The Incident in Uskvesk'. Is it in fact a variant title? Stonecreek 10:39, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

The title of the Moon story was incorrect and I've fixed it. I've also added the afterwords. I have not added the individual author biographies that introduce each story, but have no objection if you think they should be included. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:18, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Anatomy of Wonder

Replaced the amazon scans for your verified 3rd edition and 5th edition. Hauck 16:34, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Year's Best Fantasy Stories

New images, interior art to contents for [4], [3], [5] --~ Bill, Bluesman 19:20, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Fritz Leiber: Selected Stories

In this pub, the publication date is given as 2010-04-00. I don't see a publication date in my copy. I only see the copyright year given. Do you know where that date came from? Amazon lists it as May & I don't see a date on the publisher's website either. Thanks. --JLaTondre 19:28, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm sure the month must have been there before I got to the record. I would suspect it is either from Amazon (who may have then changed it to May) or perhaps Locus. I've no objection to removing the month or updating it to May. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:51, 17 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll change the date & add a note regarding the source. Thanks. --JLaTondre 00:09, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Chaining the Lady

New image, slightly expanded the notes for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:15, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

"Weirdisms" in Spring 1993 Weird Tales

I noticed there are two essays, "Weirdisms", by Jason Van Hollander in your verified Weird Tales, Spring 1993. I'm thinking one of those should probably be INTERIORART? --MartyD 16:14, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

You're correct, of course. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:54, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Bloomsbury Good Reading Guide to Science Fiction and Fantasy

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:25, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Songs of the Dying Earth, again

Two more items (one of them you probably overread because of the different article): In the story by E. Moon there is another difference: It's Uskvosk in the British and Uskvesk in the American verified pub. And Paula Volsky's story has the plural 'The Traditions...' (vs. the singular 'The Tradition...'). Could you please check one more time? Stonecreek 19:36, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again for the additional catch. I've corrected both items. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:01, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Starship & Haiku

Scanned in an image and added notes [there were none] to [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:21, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Man With a Thousand Names

New image and figured out the date for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:55, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Miracle Visitors

Hi, there! I'm trying to figure out exactly the difference between UK and US releases in Gollancz Collector's editions series. Could you please have a look at this verified pub and let me know: (a) is there any mention of Sterling as distributor on copyright page? and (b) what prices are on the back cover, only UK or is it also US and CAN? Thanks a lot!!! Cheers, P-Brane 11:43, 18 May 2011 (UTC).

The prices on the back include US $14.95 and Canada $21.95. These are covered by a Sterling sticker which has the US price, unlabeled, and a new Canada price of $22.95. The Copyright page does have a statement "Distributed in the United States of America by Sterling Publishing Co., Inc." Hope this helps. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:50, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks! I helps a lot! The issue is whether any of the pubs for this "publisher" truly exist. So far it seems that all of them are actually exactly the same as corresponding first printings. But there is a remote possibility that some might be different printings. Could you please add US and CAN prices and the statement about Sterling from copyright page to your verified pub? and I'll put deletion request for this pub. Thank you! P-Brane 00:25, 19 May 2011 (UTC).
Here I am again! Could you please also check this verified pub for (a) any mention of Sterling as distributor on copyright page? and (b) what prices are on the back cover, only UK or is it also US and CAN? Thanks a lot!!! P-Brane 00:29, 19 May 2011 (UTC).
Same sticker arrangement as the Watson. Book price US $14.95, Canada $21.95; Sterling sticker price US $14.95, Canada $22.95. The statement on the copyright page is identical to that in the Watson.--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Future and Fantastic Worlds: A Bibliographical Retrospective of DAW Books (1972-1987)

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here and found artist. As the cover seems different (e.g. with red bands), can you confirm that your copy has the same aspect ? Thanks. Hauck 14:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Mine does not, nor does it have the publisher name in the box on the upper right. The copyright page and the back cover have an ISBN for a hardcover edition. Is yours the trade paperback as mine is. If so, I have one other possible explanation. Mine is inscribed from the author to his mother. I suppose it is possible that mine is a proof that the Jaffery distributed, but there are no markings to indicate it as such. The Amazon scan is one I uploaded there (I used to do that before I was a moderator so that I could add the cover on the first edit) and is from my copy. If we both have trade paperbacks, I can re-upload here and we can link to the variant cover in the notes, unless you have another theory as to the reason for the variation. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:12, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Yes, mine is also the tp. I suppose that your explanation is the right one. A third verifier (if there's one) could probably tell us more. Hauck 15:24, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
I've added a note and uploaded the scan here. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:38, 21 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Hauck 15:41, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

The red-banded version is the first edition of this book. All other variations were later reprints. In its later years Starmont used an instant printer in Oregon that essentially photocopied some of its earlier books for their reprint editions, with severely diminished cover art. Robertreginald 05:16, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

The Futurains

Slightly expanded notes for your verified here. Hauck 15:01, 21 May 2011 (UTC)

Balzac story in Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural

Can you confirm the spelling of "La Grande Bretêche" in this book? One of our French-speaking editors says it should have a grave accent not a circumflex. (Yeah, I didn't know what they called they mark before myself.) Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:18, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

It's definitely a circumflex (I did know, but I took French in high school and college). In additino to the title page, it is reflected that way throughout the book (contents, page headings and within the introduction). It would seem that having it set up as a variant, as we do, is correct. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:09, 22 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for looking. I'd made it into a variant just before I asked. Just wanted to make sure. Mhhutchins 20:31, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Melpomene, Calliope . . . and Fred

This story appears as by "Nicholas V. Yermakov" in this publication that you have verified. I also have a first printing of that book, but in my copy the author name is "Nicholas Yermakov", without the middle name initial. It's like this everywhere: On the first page of the story, in the table of contents and on the acknowledgments page. Could you please double-check the author name in your copy? By the way: I also added a couple of notes to the publication record. Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 16:36, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

I've fixed it. I suspect the middle initial came from the Contento listing which has the author's name that way. I left the Canadian printing as is, though I would expect that it has the same variation on the name. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:10, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

The Ship From Atlantis / The Stolen Sun

I added Emil Petaja's essay "About The Stolen Sun" to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:37, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Swords Against Tomorrow

I added the artist (Gene Szafran) and a note to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:08, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

Three Trips in Time and Space artist

I added the artist (Paul Lehr) and a note about a second source to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:49, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Lee Clark[e] Zumpe in High Seas Cthulhu

Hi. Would you check the spelling of Lee Clark[e] Zumpe on Passage to Oblivion in your verified High Seas Cthulhu? I'm wondering if that "e" on "Clarke" is really there. Locus1 lists it without the "e", as do several reviews. But several reviews also list it with the "e".... Thanks. --MartyD 10:58, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

p.s. I will add the month (Sep) from Locus1 and a note to that effect. --MartyD 11:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)
Don't know how that e slipped in there. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 20:12, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Thomas Lovell Beddoes' The Phantom-Wooer

You verified this pub which contains The Phantom-Wooer and this pub which contains The Phantom Wooer. Is the second poem a variant of the first (same poem, presence/absence of hyphen correct)? Thanks. --JLaTondre 15:48, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid I was overly hasty. The appearance in Dark of the Moon should have the hyphen. I went ahead and merged without drilling down to see if any other pubs shared the hyphenless title. Did I just whack potential variants, or what the Dark of the Moon appearance the only outlier without a hyphen? Hopefully, I didn't make things worse. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:49, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
It was the only one without the hyphen so it should be good. --JLaTondre 16:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)
Good to hear. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:58, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Ballard's High Rise

Can you confirm that this pub is titled High Rise (without a hyphen) on its title page? Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:06, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

No hyphens. The title page is pretty much the same fonts and arrangements as the cover (without the artwork or blurbs) with the word "High" over the word "Rise". --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:30, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Over My Shoulder: Reflections on a Science Fiction Era

Hello ! Can you have a look at your copy of this pub as mine as a price of $17.00 (on top of front flap of dj) and has also "First edition" on copyright page. Thanks. Hauck 21:12, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Mine is identical to yours and I've fixed the price. Donald M. Grant still has copies which they are offering at $20, and I suspect that is where the incorrect price crept in. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:44, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

Ten-Storey Jigsaw/Ten-Story Jigsaw

Hello. In your verified here, the Aldiss story is titled _Ten-Story Jigsaw_ but in the first publication here, it's _Ten-Storey Jigsaw_. Can you have look at your anthology to see if a vt is needed. Thanks. Hervé Hauck 15:52, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

It's "Ten-Story" on the title page, page headings and in the table of contents. The acknowledgements page has the original magazine title "Ten-Storey". I've gone ahead and made the variant. I would guess that the paperback reprint of the Merrill anthology has the title the same as mine. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:19, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
It did, although interestingly enough, it's copyright page listed the original publication as "Ten-Storey". Chavey 18:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. Hauck 16:22, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Two Variant Possibilities

The following two cases are ones where you have verified similar titles from the same author in two different publications:

Would you mind checking to see if these are the same poems and variants should be created? Thanks. --JLaTondre 17:13, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

The Cooper poems are different. The Lovecraft is the same poem, and I've made the variant relationship. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:40, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Endless Voyage

New image, slightly expanded notes, artist from secondary source for [Endless Voyage] --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:07, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Lost World of Time

New image, identified the artist from signature, notes for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Kar Kaballa/Tower of the Medusa

New images, changes one artist credit [signature doesn't match interior credit] and added notes to [Kar Kaballa/Tower of the Medusa] --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:25, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

The Valley Where Time Stood Still

New image and notes [there were none] for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 14:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

'Bibliography: Roland O. Baughman, 1902 — 1967"

Is it safe to assume that "Bibliography: Roland O. Baughman, 1902 — 1967" in your verified The Best of the Baum Bugle, 1967-1969 is an Essay rather than Shortfiction? Ahasuerus 20:45, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch. I do seem to miss the Entry Type pull down from time to time. In a strange bit of synchronicity, I just (yesterday) got access to a copy of Index to The Baum Bugle which should allow me to piece together the missing issues and may also provide articles from the early issues which I've entered only from the best of collections. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:57, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Tanith Lee's A Heroine of the World

Can you see if the statement "Book Club Edition" is printed on the front flap of the dustjacket of this pub? Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:44, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

Aside from the blurb, the only statement on either flap is "PRINTED IN THE U.S.A." on the back flap. Hope this helps. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:46, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
I just reviewed the thread on your page. I don't know if it is relevant, but the last page (end paper) is stamped "Quality Printing and Binding by: Orange Graphics P.O. Box 791 Orange VA 22960 U.S.A.". It isn't even with the page which is why I suspect a stamp. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:29, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
This helps a lot. We've determined that when Bertelsmann took over Doubleday in the late 80s that they started printing BCEs in plants other than the Doubleday press in Garden City. It appears that the books published in those "outsourced" plants didn't contain the "Book Club Edition" statement on the front flap like the ones printed at the Garden City press. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:20, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
I hope you don't mind if I update the record to indicate a lack of the BCE statement. Mhhutchins 02:22, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Please do. I'll let you decide if you want to include the printing/binding statement. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:54, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Analog Science Fiction -> Science Fact, October 1965 and Seven Trips Through Time and Space

I have started a mini project at Author:Randall Garrett#Johnathan vs. Jonathan and MacKenzie vs. Mac Kenzie. You have two of the publications involved. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Double checked and notes left here. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:18, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

100 Must-read Science Fiction Novels

Replaced broken image link on 100 Must-read Science Fiction Novels. Albinoflea 20:40, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

The Best Science Fiction of the Year #8

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified The Best Science Fiction of the Year #8. Hauck 14:45, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Wizard of Zao

Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:17, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

The Complete Roderick

Hi, this verified pub has page count of 624, while mine has 611. Could you please check. Thanks! P-Brane 03:38, 22 June 2011 (UTC).

Fixed. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:12, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

Lisbeth Zwerger / Lizbeth Zwerger

Hi, you verified The Baum Bugle, Autumn 2005 as containing interior art by Lizbeth Zwerger. Can you check whether you may have misread it and could it be Lisbeth Zwerger instead? --Dirk P Broer 10:25, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Double checked and it is "Lizbeth". I googled both names and it seems this isn't the only place where it is spelled with the z. I'll set up the pseudonym. Thanks for finding this.--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:12, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

The Wizard of Zao

I added the author's note to this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:05, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Leonid Vladimirski's pseudonyms

Hi, Ron! While looking for some Russian authors I have come across this chap. He was/is an illustrator to Russian-language series in OZ universe by Alexander Volkov and his work is mostly in The Baum Bugle for which you are the verifier. He currently has six entries in db: Alexander Vladimirkov, L. Vladimirske, L. Vladimirski, L. Vladimirskii, L. Vladimirskov, Leonid Vladimirski; and only one is a pseudonym. I was going to add all as pseudonyms, but then realized that some of the them might be not a different transliterations but just typos. Could you please check them all.

Also, there is no "official policy" as to which name is canonical for transliterated names. Seems to me that in this specific case "Leonid Vladimirski" would be the most suitable one, what do you think? Also, please let me know if you would like me to do any edits on the names. Cheers, P-Brane 05:41, 30 June 2011 (UTC).

I've double checked and it appears that the forms of the names are all correct:
  • Alexander Vladimirkov credited in caption as entered.
  • L. Vladimirske credited once "All illustrations in this article are by L. Vladimirske..." One of these was mistakenly listed as a story, and the original date of the illustrations (1972) hadn't been picked up. I've fixed these errors.
  • L. Vladimirski verified matches credits.
  • L. Vladimirskii All as credited.
  • L. Vladimirskov All as credited.
  • Leonid Vladimirski Both as credited (The Autumn 2007 cover is a repeat as part of the montage, and not credited at all).
Please feel free to make variants as you'd like. I don't have a strong feeling as to which name should be canonical. The only thing that gives me pause is that the form "Leonid Vladimirski" appears to only have been used once. It seems that either he, or the writers of the articles in The Baum Bugle prefer just the initial L rather than the full name. I might lean towards one of those forms with "Leonid Vladimirski" as both a pseudonym and as the legal name. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:42, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Agree on canonical name. I think I've done all the edits, please have a look: L. Vladimirski. Cheers, P-Brane 05:15, 1 July 2011 (UTC).
Looks good. I thought I caught another error in a title Urfin Dzhus i [y]evo Derevyannie Soldati, but, again, both forms are as published. Thanks for all your work on this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:09, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

King Penguins

Hi, you verified Heroes and Villains as being published by King Penguin. would you, in the light of what is said on be willing to change the publisher to either "Penguin" or "Penguin Books" and make "King Penguin" the Publisher Series name?--Dirk P Broer 12:53, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm at work and will double check when I get home. Without checking, I've always considered King Penguin to be more of an imprint than a series (like Pelican and Puffin). I'll also take a look at this and see how they characterize King Penguin. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:20, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
On the title page of my 1984 King Penguin edition of Pavane it says "A King Penguin", followed by "Published by Penguin Books", making it in my eyes more a series than an imprint.--Dirk P Broer 17:00, 30 June 2011 (UTC)
Yeah, it looks more like a series, and the Baines book characterizes it the same way. I've made the changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:03, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Pavane 2000

Hi, you verified Pavane, giving the prologue and coda parts a date of 2000. Are these parts new as compared to the other versions of the book containing stories with the same name and dated 1968? If so they should have (revised) added to the title or something in that vein.--Dirk P Broer 16:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

Those items had never been merged with the other copies. I don't recall if the two editions that I own were cloned from the first printing which doesn't include the Prologue or Coda, or if they were merely that way when I got to them. Anyway, I've merged the records. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:05, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

SF: The Best of the Best, ed. by Judith Merril

I'm doing a secondary verification of this book, verified by you. There appear to be three errors in the ways the authors of stories are listed in the contents. Casey Agonistes is listed "as by R. M. McKenna", but the story title page lists the author as "Richard McKenna" (the ToC lists him as "Richard M. McKenna"). Nobody Bothers Gus is listed "as by Paul Janvier", an alias of Algis Budrys, but both the title page and the ToC list it as by Algis Budrys. And Hickory, Dickory, Kerouac is listed "as by Martin Scott", an alias of Richard Gehman, but is also actually listed as by Richard Gehman. I am changing the way these three entries are listed to agree with the three title pages. Chavey 04:08, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

I've approved the first edit so you can proceed with the delete of the unwanted titles. I sometimes don't check as carefully when I'm taking the second or later primary verifications. Thanks for catching these. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:39, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

War-Gamer's/Gamers' World

I made some changes to this verified pub. In my copy the title is War-Gamers' World, not War-Gamer's World. I also added the author's preface and the map (plus a note about the map). Hope you can agree. Thanks, --Willem H. 18:30, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Berserker Base

Hi, Ron! Could you please check the likely typo in this verified pub, artist's name is ValLejo. Cheers, P-Brane 01:11, 4 July 2011 (UTC).

I'm fairly certain it is just a typo. Unfortunately, I'm off to an Oz convention this week and won't be able to check until next Tuesday. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:52, 6 July 2011 (UTC)
No worries, of course it can wait. And of course it's fortunate that you are at the Oz convention:-) Have fun! Cheers, P-Brane 00:37, 7 July 2011 (UTC).
I'm back and have now verified the credit copyright page which has Vallejo's name correctly spelled. I've corrected the error in our record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:15, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

The Best of John Wyndham, 1951-1960

I added a bit to the notes of The Best of John Wynndham, 1951-1960, adding yet more confusing stuff for these 1975/76/77 re-publications of the original 1973 publication in one part.--Dirk P Broer 16:02, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Verified "Firebird" books

I'm updating the existing "Firebird" published books to "Firebird / Penguin" to follow the ISFDB standard of "imprint / publisher". This changes the publisher of your verified I am Morgan le Fay and Tales of the Otori Episode 2. According to Amazon's "Look Inside" feature for "Morgan le Fay", this agrees with the imprint statement in that book, but "Look Inside" is not available for "Otori", so please let me know if this doesn't match your copy of the book. Chavey 01:44, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to take so long to respond. I was away from my library. The Hearn book states "Firebird" over "An Imprint of Penguin Group (USA) Inc." The Springer book has it over "An imprint of Penguin Putnam". So I think your changes are fine. Thanks.--Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:39, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

The Science Fiction and Fantasy Readers' Advisory: The Librarians Guide to Cyborgs, Aliens, and Sorcerers

I added the month of publication to your verified publication based on Amazon's listing. Chavey 18:41, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

King Kobold

New image and minimal notes added to [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:43, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

Whispers #9

Can you confirm the author credit for "At the Bottom of the Garden" in this issue? There is an identically titled story by "David Campton" here. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:03, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Same concern for the story "Goat" in this issue. Mhhutchins 18:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)
They both should be Campton and are now corrected. Thanks for finding these. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:46, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Asimov essay in SF:'59

Can you check this pub for the Isaac Asimov item (The Thunder-Thieves)? In my paperback edition the poem is followed by an article/essay that should i.m.o. have a separate contents record. As Judith Merril states in the introduction: The article following (the poem) was written especially for this book. Thanks, --Willem H. 21:08, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

The Merrill introduction is identical in my copy and the essay is there. I've added it under the title "The Thunder-Thieves (afterword)". That was the best title I could come up with. Let me know if you have a better idea. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:25, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I can live with that. I added the essay under the same title to the paperback, and informed the other verifiers. Maybe they have other ideas. Thanks! --Willem H. 14:10, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Added price

I added the price to your verified [4] Don Erikson 19:50, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I accepted the submission, Ron. Please confirm that the price is present on your copy. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:56, 28 July 2011 (UTC)
Confirmed. Sorry I missed that. My Arkham House books were among my earliest edits. I'll leave the note as to the additional source for the price. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:10, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Russel B. Nye

In this pub, should it be "Russell B. Nye" on p29? BLongley 16:09, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Actually, it should be "Russel B. Nye" and I've corrected it as well as this publication which was wrong in several ways. My partner is a big Oz fan and collector and it turns out he owns this title. Aside from the the misspelling of Nye's name, we had it listed as nonfiction. In fact it contains Baum's novel with extensive essays and notes. I've made it into an omnibus, though I suppose I could have made it a variant title of The Wonderful Wizard of Oz. One of these days I'll have to get through the books in his collection. We've been living together for more than a year now and only recently gotten the books shelved properly. Anyway, thanks for pointing out the error. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:53, 2 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for checking! This may be a perfect example of why we should always check with Primary Verifiers - sometimes people really DO have a odd name. BLongley 00:30, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Time & Chance

Replaced Amazon cover and added notes for your verified here. Hauck 10:13, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

The Fountains of Paradise

I have added few notes from the copyright page and few details about the contents to an edition of The Fountains of Paradise verified by you. Waldstein 12:04, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

Hello again. I have made a mistake. I have now discovered that I have 8th printing, not 4th as the one verified by you. I have removed my primary verification and cloned the pub. Would you please check if the notes I added here are also true for your printing? Thanks. Waldstein 21:14, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
My copy says it was reprinted by Gollancz rather than Millennium but otherwise the comments are fine. I made the publication date of mine unknown. Since both your printing and mine state the edition was reprinted August 2001, I suspect that date is indicating an edition date rather than a printing date. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:59, 11 September 2011 (UTC)


Hi, I've replaced the fantastic fiction coverscan for Hoka! (Wallaby 1983) and elaborated the notes a bit. --Dirk P Broer 14:55, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

Discoveries in Fantasy

In my copy of Discoveries in Fantasy, the second Donald Corley story is titled The Song of the Tombelaine and not The Song of Tombalaine. As far as I can tell, my copy is the same version. Would you mind double checking the spelling of Tombelaine/Tombalaine in yours? Thanks. --JLaTondre 20:45, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

The title was incorrect and has now been fixed. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:57, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Moorcock's Elric: Tales of the White Wolf

Can you confirm the spelling of the author's name on page 309 of this antholgogy? We have another author named "Charles Partington" and I'm wondering whether it's a typo and perhaps the same person. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:45, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

It was a typo, which I've corrected. There also is a biographies section (that wasn't previously in the record) that makes it clear that it is the same person. Thanks for finding this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:08, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

The Man Who Loved Mars

The suspicion that the cover of this pub is by Paul Lehr is confirmed by Jane Frank. I added the artist an a note. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:13, 23 August 2011 (UTC)


Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes slightly for [this] --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:32, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

Imaginary Worlds

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:29, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

An Annotated Bibliography of Recursive Science Fiction

Added cover for your verified here. Hauck 14:11, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

de Camp: An L. Sprague de Camp Bibliography

Replaced the amazon scan for your verified here. Hauck 16:17, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

The Fantastic Pulps - Dashiell Hammett

I changed the listed author of The Sardonic Star of Tom Doody in your verified pub, The Fantastic Pulps to match my copy in hand. My copy has Dashiell Hammett credited on the title page, and not the original pseudonym Peter Collinson. Thanks Kevin 03:09, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

The Fantastic Pulps - Damon Knight Artwork

I also noticed that you have the original publication of Damon Knight's artwork for Herbert West: Reanimator in Weird Tales. Have you ever compared that interior artwork with the single page included in The Fantastic Pulps? If the original magazine only has a single page of artwork, it might be nice to merge the two... and if the magazine has more than a single piece of artwork, I would like to put a note in the titles to prevent them from being merged later. Thanks Kevin 03:14, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

The two pieces are in fact the same. However, I'm hesitant to merge them because of the rule (last sentence in the first paragraph). I had a discussion with Swfritter a while back where he pointed out that rule to me and we agreed on breaking the rule for repeated mastheads and column artwork. Personally, I'd prefer to see artwork merged when we can verify it as the same piece. Do you think this is worth bringing up in Rules and standards discussions with an objective to getting an exception to the rule if the artwork can be verified? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:49, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Bah Humbug. (smile) - That seems like an outdated rule to say the least, especially since we merge cover artwork all the time, and the rule as written doesn't limit itself to interior artwork. Also the mere act of cloning a publication with interior artwork also generates the same result as merging an interior artwork record that has been independently entered. I think we should definitely expand this rule to first limit it to re-printed/re-used artwork, and secondly add a visual confirmation to override. If you agree, I think we should put the idea forward as a suggested change... the exact change can be worked out on the rules board. Kevin 18:54, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. Would you like to make the proposal? --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:28, 12 September 2011 (UTC)
Sure thing. I'll put something up tonight (or maybe tomorrow) and link back to this initial kernel. Kevin 04:06, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

18th vs 20th Lord Dunsany

I believe the author of the Forwards for your verified volumes, The Collected Jorkens, Vols. I, II,and III, should be the 20th Lord of Dunsany, not the 18th. I've removed the pseudonymous relationship conflating the 20th with the 18th.--Rkihara 05:54, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

I could have sworn that I had this one set up correctly. Anyway, thanks for catching and fixing this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:13, 11 September 2011 (UTC)
That had me fooled too. :-/ I think we could do with "Author notes" sooner rather than later. BLongley 15:14, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Leah Bodine Drake's Wood-Wife

You have verified this pub containing The Wood-Wife (1942), this pub containing Wood Wife (1942), and this pub containing Wood-Wife (1950). Would you mind checking if this are the same poem and should be variants? Thanks. --JLaTondre 13:04, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

All three are the same poem and I've made the variant relationship. I also found a couple of others of Drake's that needed a similar fix. Thanks for finding these. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:09, 11 September 2011 (UTC)

Science Fiction Magazine Story Index, 1926-1995

Replaced amazon cover for your verified here. Hauck 09:51, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

MFSF, May 1981

Hello, Ron. I added two letters to this pub.Stonecreek 16:42, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Vale of the Vole - cover image, artist and notes

I replaced the default Amazon cover image with a scanned image, added the artist, and added notes to your verified Vale of the Vole. AndonSage 17:14, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Isle of View - notes

I added notes to your verified Isle of View. AndonSage 18:13, 12 September 2011 (UTC)

Eric Shanower's The Two Peters

You verified this pub which contains The Two Peters (1987) and this pub which contains The Two Peters (2011). Are these the same story? Thanks. --JLaTondre 21:10, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the catch. They are the same story. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:12, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Clark Ashton Smith's The Epiphany of Death

There are two title records for "The Epiphany of Death". The first (1934) has it as its own story with multiple publications. The second (1942) lists it as a variant, but without any publications. As you have verified both a publication with the first (The Abominations of Yondo) and with the parent of the variant (Weird Tales, September 1942), can you check to see if these should be merged? --JLaTondre 22:45, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

They are the same story and it looks like the Weird Tales appearance as "Who Are the Living?" is the variant title. I deleted the stray parent title and made the appropriate variant relationship. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:03, 15 September 2011 (UTC)


Hi, Ron. Could you please check in this verified pub author's last name on page 251: Slesar vs Slezar. Cheers, P-Brane 12:15, 16 September 2011 (UTC).

It is spelled "Slesar" on the title page of both the book and the story. However, the table of contents lists it as "Slezar". I'll put a note on the record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:50, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Bearing an Hourglass - cover and notes

I replaced the default Amazon cover image with a scanned image, and added notes to your verified Bearing an Hourglass. AndonSage 23:06, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Jack of Shadows

New scan and identified the artist from signature [approx 1 1/2" up and 1" in from bottom right, very tiny red lettering under 'globe'] for [this]. Adjusted notes accordingly. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:32, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

New Writings in SF 7/8/9

Could you have a look at [this] discussion as it affects one of your Primary Verifications. Thanks! --~ Bill, Bluesman 16:10, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

The Black Gryphon

I have ISBN: 0886775779 and it is a stated first edition. I would like to add that info to the one you verified.


Trisha 21:40, 20 September 2011 (UTC)Merlene

Hi Trisha. I think we do have the same edition. However, mine states that it is the "First Printing" rather than first edition. Please feel free to edit the record and I can approve it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:02, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 17th Series

I updated your verified pub The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction: 17th Series based on my copy in hand. The record needed to be updated to show that The Sea Change on page 197 is credited on title page of the story as by Jean Cox, instead of Aurthur J. Cox. Kevin 05:30, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Weird Tales, Mar-Apr 2006

Can you confirm the spelling of the author credit for "Birth" (page 30) in this issue? Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:32, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Clearly I concentrated too much on getting his last name correct. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:17, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Conquering Science Fiction

Can you confirm the spelling of the cover artist credit for this pub? His actual name is spelled "Stephan". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:25, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

Corrected. Thanks for catching it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:12, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

August Derleth - Letter (The Fantasy Fan, October 1933) [2]

I corrected the canonical author of Letter (The Fantasy Fan, October 1933) [2] from AugustDerleth to August Derleth. It appeared to be a simple typo with no comment on the missing space.. so I treated it as a mistake. Thanks Kevin 20:04, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Lester del Rey - Best Science Fiction Stories of the Year, Second Annual Collection

I corrected the entry in Best Science Fiction Stories of the Year, Second Annual Collection for "Miscount" to be 'as by C. N. Gloeckner', instead of by Caroline Gloeckner. This matches my copy in hand. Thanks Kevin 18:46, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

"Tales from the Nightside", by Charles Grant

I added a month of publication, from Contento1, to your verified publication. Chavey 21:32, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

The Ancient Track

Does the title page differ from the cover of this pub, which gives the subtitle as The Complete Poetical Works... instead of The Collected Poetical Works...? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:42, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Another point: are you certain of the publication date? Locus1 dates the tp printing as 2001, and that date falls in better with the ISBN than does the 1998 date. Mhhutchins 05:47, 12 October 2011 (UTC)
Correct on both counts and now corrected (mostly). I must have been sloppy when I verified an existing record. I'll work on getting the contents that took their date from the collection corrected. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:05, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

"Strange Harvest", by Donald Wandrei

I've added a month of publication (from Contento1) to your verified publication. Chavey 03:19, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

"The Vortex Blaster", by E. E. "Doc" Smith

I added a note about an alternate binding to your verified publication. Chavey 21:05, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Heinlein's Requiem

I've removed my verification of this record because, upon closer inspection, I've come to the conclusion that my copy may be a book club printing. Although identical to the trade edition, there is no price printed on the dustjacket, and no statement on the copyright page about edition or printing. Can you check your copy to see if it has both a printed price and an edition statement? If so, please move your verification to the Primary1 place. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:32, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Mine is the trade, and has both the price on the jacket as well as a statement of first edition in addition to a number line. I've updated the notes and moved my verification. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:11, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

Orson Scott Card - The Changed Man Contents

I changed your verified pub The Changed Man to show Freeway Games instead of Hard Driver as appearing on page 87, to match my copy in hand. It looks like someone was trying to document the original (and only) appearance of the story as Hard Driver and it ended up messing with your verified pub. I've cleaned it up now, added a stub record for the original appearance in Gallery November 1979, but I made Freeway Games the canonical title since Hard Driver only appeared once. Thanks - Kevin 17:44, 17 October 2011 (UTC)

The Food of Death

The image from [this] record doesn't match the data [shows a price of $2.95 on the cover]. Just obtained a very nice copy and would like to replace the image. Thing is, there isn't another record for a later printing with that price. What about cloning the record and moving the existing image? It occurs to me that if the image is from your copy there should be another record anyway. --~ Bill, Bluesman 18:27, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't know how I missed that. Interestingly, my copy states "First Printing: September 1974" I can only assume that Newcastle didn't alter the copyright page for subsequent printings. Please clone away, and I'll adjust whichever copy you don't alter to match yours. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:25, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
Just re-found the book under a pile and remembered this note. Something I hadn't noticed before is that the .45 of the price is a slightly smaller font than $2. I'm wondering if maybe both of our copies may be a later printing? And the ISBN on the back cover looks like an afterthought, almost stamped on [crooked on my copy]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:37, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Wasn't Robert Reginald involved with Newcastle? If he was, I wouldn't expect him to know prices, but he may have an idea about how they were raised and whether they kept first printing statements. Do you think it is worth asking him? I've also got a friend who may own another copy. It's not in his Library Thing account, but it's worth a try as I know he hasn't completed data entry. I'll ask and report back. I wouldn't say that the ISBN on my copy is crooked, however, the top edge of the bottom border has a small dip in it beginning under the second 8. We may just have to put both copies out there and note the differences. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)
Mr. R's name is on the back and from the posts I've read on his page his memory is pretty good, though this is a rather small detail. I see the little 'dip' you mention. Inside, on what would be page 239, this book is listed [third from top] at $2.45, though the type-setting for the page is pretty uneven so impossible to tell if it's ben changed. You'd think if they bothered with that then the printing statement would have been changed too. The more I look the harder it is to tell! --~ Bill, Bluesman 15:40, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

I have a file copy of the first printing only of this book, which is priced at $2.45. Doug Menville put together the cover work on the first few volumes in the Forgotten Fantasy series; some of these were later repackaged when the series took off--but not this particular title. Newcastle never, ever updated printing information. The Saunders Brothers never did more than they had to. They were long-time bookmongers, but not really readers or editors. Still, they gave Doug and me our first great opportunity, and I'll always be grateful for that; I was an editor at Newcastle from their inception in 1971 to 1992 [and from 1970-71 as Assoc. Ed. of Forgotten Fantasy magazine, owned by their sister company, Nectar Press]; Doug stayed with them for the last few years, until Al Saunders died. I think Doug put together a personal biblio of the FF series and its printings at some point--I have a copy buried somewhere in my unsorted papers--so you might contact him for further details. If one of you could send a note to me, I'd be happy to forward it to him--or if you prefer, I could contact him on your behalf. Robertreginald 03:54, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Sword and Stallion

Expanded the notes for [this], only had the other prices noted before. --~ Bill, Bluesman 20:41, 24 October 2011 (UTC)

Gather, Darkness!

User SFJuggler has uploaded a coverscan for your verified Gather, Darkness!. --Willem H. 18:05, 25 October 2011 (UTC)

Michael Chabon - Gentlemen of the Road

I was verifying my copy of Gentlemen of the Road and noticed that the artwork cover shown at Amazon mentions 'Kavalier and Clay' in a square block of text below the authors name, but my copy in hand mentioned The Yiddish Policeman's Union in a ring shape around the author's name. I think they printed new dust jackets after Yiddish Policemen's Union took off 6 months earlier. Could you check to see what does your copy has.. the square block Clay reference, or the circular Yiddish reference? Could there be two states of Jacket, or maybe there were never any 'Clay' jackets printed.. only uploaded to Amazon as pre-print artwork. - Thanks Kevin 23:39, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

Mine matches yours with The Yiddish Policeman's Union mentioned. I've seen instances in the past where the Amazon cover which was added before publication differs subtly from the first edition when published. Many of the Gollancz SF Masterworks appear that way. Perhaps the Chabon book is in such a situation. I'd recommend we replace the Amazon cover with one of our own. I'll let you scan yours unless you'd like me to do it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:01, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
I don't have a scanner set up at the moment, so the best I could do would be an edited cell phone pic. If you have a scanner set up, that would be better quality, but I can knock off good enough with 5 minutes effort. Kevin 02:31, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
No problem. It was just in case you were looking forward to doing it. New image uploaded and linked. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:29, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Avon Murder Mystery Monthly

Your verified record of Burn Witch Burn! gives the publisher as "Avon Murder Mystery Monthly". I believe this is more publication series than publisher, and have placed the other titles into this series. Those records give the publisher as "Avon Book Co.". Does your copy of the book give this as the publisher as well? One other thing: the others give the pub format as digests. Would that be more applicable than "tp"? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:07, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

I've changed the publisher, which is listed on title page and added it to the series. I'm not sure that I completely agree about making it a digest. I was thinking that digest implied magazine, though there is nothing on the help pages that indicates that. The book seems to be straddling between book and magazines anyway. It is referred to as a book on the copyright page "The text of this book is exactly as published...", yet the advertising for the series asks you to reserve each new monthly issue from your newsdealer. Regardless, we seem to have these as books rather than magazines. The size is also slightly larger than what we define as digest at 7.5" x 5.5". If you feel strongly that it should be a digest, I'll change it, but I'm leaning towards keeping it a trade paperback. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:25, 28 October 2011 (UTC)
Format is up to you as the verifier. I was only looking for conformity, as my mind tends to do! Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:46, 28 October 2011 (UTC)

Adam and Eve ...

Both Tuck and [OCLC] list extra stories [9] for [this] edition. Are they both wrong? --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:31, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

It would appear they are. Actually OCLC 6620640 more closely matches my copy. Adding to the confusion, the preview on the other OCLC record links to a 1922 Knopf edition that does include the additional stories. I was going to suggest that perhaps Cape put out two editions in 1926, mine additionally being in their Travellers' Library series (pocket sized with flexible bindings), but the page count matches. I can only say that my copy does not include the additional stories mentioned by either source. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:11, 3 November 2011 (UTC)
Most interesting! Thanks for checking. --~ Bill, Bluesman 03:06, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Oz squee

I know you're a big Oz fan, so wondered if you'd seen this? BLongley 23:57, 3 November 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Bill. Eric Shanower does indeed include drawings with his autograph and my partner (who is the true Oz fan) has some books that he has done lovely sketches in. We had hoped to go to WFC this year, but didn't try to get memberships until after it sold out. Happily, we got a chance to visit with Eric and David Maxine, of Hungry Tiger Press at Worldcon this August. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:55, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
I've seen an awful lot of WFC reports in the last week, and almost wish I'd been there. The disability access problems and the creeper seem to be attracting a lot of posts, but on the other side there seemed to be a lot of authors and professionals around. Maybe by 2013 (when it comes to my country) I'll be brave enough to attend, but I probably need to practice on plain SF conventions in the meantime. I used to go to about half-a-dozen a year, but have problems with social situations now. :-/ BLongley 02:09, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

L. Frank Baum's Two Pictures

You verified this pub which contains "Two Pictures" and this pub which contains Two Pictures.. I wanted to check whether these are the same poem. Would you mind checking? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:12, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

They are the same poem (or poems). I've made the variant relationship. I've no idea how the title was originally presented, but went with the earlier appearance (in quotation marks). Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:34, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Squirrel Seeks Chipmunk: A Modest Bestiary

In the process of standardizing the spellings of some publishers, I converted the publisher of this book from "Little Brown and Company" to "Little, Brown, and Company". Chavey 04:48, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

The Witch of Prague

Wending my way through Tuck [up to "C"] and came across [this]. Shouldn't this edition have a date no earlier than 1904? That seems to be the earliest that Collier could have published the [series]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 23:31, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

I can't really say where the 1891 date came from. The only date in the book is a copyright date of 1890. I actually read the record for the collected works as published between 1882 and 1904 probably with different volumes coming out in different years. There are at least two OCLC records (here and here which have the 1890 (likely from the copyright) date listed for the individual volume. Despite the copyright, I suspect that it couldn't have been published before 1891 given that Tuck, Reginald and Bleiler78 all give the first edition as 1891. I'll move this to an unknown date and note the copyright and first edition dates. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:02, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Second Stage Lensmen

Letting you know I've altered the page count for Doc Smith's Second Stage Lensmen to include the Acknowledgement, which is as much a part of the novel itself as the Foreword. See publication note for details. PeteYoung 01:16, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The Vortex Blaster

I've found a discrepancy on the listing for Doc Smith's The Vortex Blaster - the title page has the author as "Edward E. Smith, Ph.D." while at the same time the cover has him as "E. E. Smith, Ph.D.", and then the ISFDB listing has the author as "Edward E. Smith". I'm working from a copy of this edition, and I suggest we use the name as listed on the title page with a note that the cover name differs. How about it? As you've already verified this pub, do let me know what you suggest. Thanks. PeteYoung 07:51, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

You are correct. If you are comfortable unmerging and creating the variant, please go ahead and make the changes. If you'd like me to do it, just ask. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:11, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

The Drowned World

Not your error, but the cover art credit for your verified publication, the SF Masterwork's edition of Ballard's The Drowned World, is actually incorrect on the cover itself: it's attributed to Jim Burns, however today I discovered (as I've long suspected) that it's in fact by Chris Moore, as per this page on his website. I'll add a note to this effect in my edit. Thanks. PeteYoung 04:31, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Leiber's Our Lady of Darkness

Can you confirm that this printing is published under the Berkley Medallion imprint? It was around this time that Berkley was phasing out the "Medallion" logo (the fleur-de-lys), and using the stylized "SF" logo and "A Berkley Book". It's even possible that the outside logos may have conflicted with the title page imprint or copyright page statement. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 19:16, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Both title and copyright pages have it as Berkley Medallion, the spine also has the logo. The front cover has merely "A Berkley Book". The image from Amazon is actually a scan of my copy. I used to do that before I could moderate to get the image in on the initial edit. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:12, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
Thank you again for looking. This must have printed around the time of the switch between imprints and logos. Mhhutchins 00:49, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

"Best Supernatural Stories of H. P. Lovecraft "

I'm doing some research on the existence of certain "printing date" codes used by World Publishing Company on their books. You did a verification of one such book, and I was hoping you could look at the copyright page and see if there is such a printing code on that page. It would look something like "HC871" or "3WP971", and would probably be near the top of the copyright information, but somewhere on that page (if it exists). Could you check that for me? Thanks, Chavey 01:24, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Happy to look. The only code anywhere on the copyright page is below the copyright statements for the individual stories, and above the copyright statement for the book itself. However, it is the single letter "C". Since it is the stated third printing, I would have assumed that it may have been a printing code like a number line. I've also checked the title page and the last few pages of the book, but found no codes. Unfortunately, (and despite the cover scan), my copy is missing the dust-jacket so I can't check there. Hope this is of some help. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:36, 16 November 2011 (UTC)
I appreciate your checking. Other codes don't seem to be on the dust jacket, so you're probably not missing anything. We've been discussing these codes on the Community Portal, because when they exist they seem to tell us both the printing number (instead of a number line) and the actual printing date. So thanks for checking, Chavey 02:40, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Elizabeth Boyer, "The Sword and the Satchel"

I'm doing a second verification on your verified publication. You have this listed with a price of $2.25. My copy is pretty clearly also a 1st printing (Back cover has a big "First Time in Print" logo), but has a price of $2.75. My guess is that the color contrast on that price is poor enough that whoever listed it read it wrong. But I was hoping you could re-check what that price was on your copy. Chavey 04:01, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Mine definitely has a price of $2.25 as well as "-225" appended to the ISBN on the spine. I would take the "First Time in Print" medallion on the back to indicate a first printing. I suspect that the publisher maintains that through several printings. The copyright page in my copy states "First Edition: May 1980" with no further printing information. While I am the one who uploaded the cover scan, it isn't an image of my copy, which has scratches on the cover. If yours has the same statement on the copyright page, is it possible that you have a Canadian copy? Although, if it is Canadian, the differences in price seems too small. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:57, 17 November 2011 (UTC)
That's it! My copy also says "First Edition: May 1980", but inspection also locates the phrase "Printed in Canada", so that does explain the difference in price. Since that difference is ~20%, it makes sense. The cover is identical, except for the price on the cover and appended to the ISBN on the spine. Chavey 15:13, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

Dark of the Moon (August Derleth)

In your verified pub, can you control the tittle on page 13 ? The original tittle is Address To the Devil (1786). Thanks. ChanurBe 10:17, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, an error. ChanurBe 10:26, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

M. R. James' "Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad"

You verified this pub and this pub containing "Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad" as well as this pub containing Oh, Whistle, and I'll Come to You, My Lad. Since there are multiple verifiers for each and the details line up for each, I assume these are variants, but would you mind checking to on the safe side? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:12, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

They are the same story and two of the three collections had the correct variant. The Greenberg anthology had it under the wrong title. I've fixed that and made the variant relationship. I'll leave a note on Gloinson's talk page, though I suspect he is inactive. Thanks for catching this. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:13, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

The Big Time

Scanned a new image and expanded the notes somewhat for [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 17:37, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Hugh Pendexter, III's Oz and the Three Witches

You verified this pub which contains Oz and the Three Witches (1977) and this pub which contains Oz and the Three Witches (2000). Are these the same story? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:12, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for catching this. They're the same story and I've merged the title records. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:15, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Casebook of Jules de Grandin

Scanned in an image, expanded the notes a little and changed the credit for the Afterword [it was as by Quinn instead of Weinberg] for [this]. --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:33, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Ditto [except for the Afterword] for [Hellfire Files] --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:41, 4 December 2011 (UTC)

Zanzibar Cat

Scanned a new image and added notes about content changes from the Arkham hardcover edition for [this]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 00:27, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

"The Woggle-Bug Book (Complete Chapterbook)"

Fixer added this version of "The Woggle-Bug Book" earlier today, but when I went looking for potential duplicates to merge I found something strange. This chapterbook is a part of the "Queer Visitors from the Marvelous Land of Oz" series and it has a serial appearance in your verified Oz-story Magazine, October 1999. Wouldn't we want the Shortfiction title rather than the Chapterbook title to be a part of the series? And would it be better to list the Shortfiction title in the magazine rather than a separate Serial title? Ahasuerus 16:49, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

I'm trying to recall why I entered it in this manner. The item in Oz-Story is actually a a facsimile of 1905 book. It doesn't reprint the cover, but it does include the title and copyright pages. While the title of the book is "The Woggle-Bug Book". The title of the contained story is "The Unique Adventures of the Woggle-Bug". The table of contents in Oz-Story uses the book title rather than the story title. I expect that my though process in entering it as a serialized chapterbook, was that the book (that contains the story and the original illustrations) is what is included rather than just the story. Looking on it now, I can see that perhaps I should have gone with shortfiction and interiorart entries. I'll make the changes if you think that is a better way to handle it. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
Ah, one of those! Yes, I can see how it can be a tricky decision. In cases like this I usually ask myself two questions: "Will the result confuse J. Random User?" and "Can you get from a Title record directly to all of its appearances in the pubs that contain the text?" The second one is particularly important because we want to avoid title fragmentation.
With these two questions in mind, I think the shortfiction/interiorart solution may be better because (1) Chapterbooks are supposed to be standalone publications and including them in a magazine may confuse our users and (2) it will make this magazine pub directly accessible from the shortfiction title for The Unique Adventures of the Woggle-Bug. Ahasuerus 04:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
As far as placing the chapterbook in the series. I did that much as I would have any other container record that contains only works belonging to the series. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:04, 6 December 2011 (UTC)
The relationship between Chapterbooks and series is a little tricky. Most of the time we only put the shortfiction title in a series. For example, consider the Colonial Survey series] by Murray Leinster. The first title, "Sand Doom", has appeared as a Chapterbook, but we don't list it in the series. If we did and if the rest of the shortfiction titles in this series were published by, say, Gutenberg, we would double the number of title records in the series and make it hard to parse.
Having said that, there are rare cases where Chapterbooks titles are added to a series. This mostly happens when a publisher creates a chapterbook series that effectively functions as a magazine, e.g., "Perry Rhodan (UK)". Interestingly, the contained shortfiction titles mostly belong to another series, PR Zyklus 1: Die Dritte Macht series, so this solution lets us split things neatly. Alternatively, these pubs could have been put into a publication series, but, as I recall, the editor who handled them wanted to keep everything under the same super-series. Ahasuerus 04:59, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

Mieville's Iron Council

I added notes to this verified pub. Mhhutchins 01:37, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Tanith Lee's Dreams of Light and Dark

I added further notes to this record, added the extended title, and created individual records for each of the illustrations. Mhhutchins 06:10, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Shaw's Other Days, Other Eyes

As one of the primary verifiers, you may be interested to know that several items noted in this record are no longer true. The point about it being listed in the ISFDB as a collection may have been valid at one time, but that's since changed. The listing of stories in this fix-up have been added to the title record, so it's no necessary to repeat them here. Also, the artist identified by his signature "JHB" is J. H. Breslow who painted several other Ace covers during this period. Mhhutchins 06:28, 6 December 2011 (UTC)

Blood 'n' Thunder Guide

There's an error in this record for the content entry for "Planet Stories, Winter 1939 (cover)" (page 208). It's a variant record of a non-existing parent record. I'm not sure how this happened, but that issue's cover is credited to A. Drake, not Frank R. Paul.

I must have cut an pasted it incorrectly, though that doesn't explain the Paul credit. Anyway, it is the Winter 1939 cover on that page, and I've corrected the records. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:43, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The Food of the Gods

Amending your verified record for the SF Masterworks II edition of The Food of the Gods re. the publication date. First printing states 2010, and the Gollancz website states September 2010. Thanks PeteYoung 01:08, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

I rejected the edit. My copy is a second printing and the date is still unknown. The first printing already had a record. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:16, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
Sorry, don't know why I didn't see that. PeteYoung 01:52, 7 December 2011 (UTC)

The Penultimate Truth

If [this] is a second printing, shouldn't the date be 0000-000-00? --~ Bill, Bluesman 01:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

It is possible that I missed that. Or someone could have added the date based on additional information, or changed it in error (someone tried that with another masterwork recently). In any case, since it isn't documented, I've changed the date to (or back to) unknown. Thanks for the catch. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:56, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Lovecraft Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos Volume 2 content error?

Hi, I'm just getting started with this, so apologies if I skipped a step in posting a question to the Verification Requests page (same title as this entry). Could you take a quick look at it and see if your verification of Tales of the Cthulhu Mythos Volume 2 is correct with respect to the story starting on p13? Mvhetzel 23:55, 10 December 2011 (UTC)

Dunsany's "The Dreams of a Prophet" or "The Dreams of the Prophet"

Can you check the title of the story "The Dreams of a Prophet" in both this collection and this one? According to most sources the story was originally titled "The Dreams of the Prophet". We may have to make a variant. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Great, you also have this third appearance as "The Dreams of a Prophet". Mhhutchins 05:51, 12 December 2011 (UTC)
All three are as listed. I started to doubt that "The Dreams of a Prophet" was correct, but Google Books has a scan of the 1906 edition of Time and the Gods verifying that it too is correct. I've made the variant relationship. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:35, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

David H. Keller's Life Everlasting and Other Tales...

Can you join this discussion when you get the opportunity? Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:20, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Airmont Classics: Frankenstein

I've been cleaning up the Airmont Books listings, which pretty much all fit into either the Airmont Classics or the Airmont Science Fiction series. Along the way, I've been changing books listed as published by "Airmont Classics" so the publisher is listed as "Airmont Books", but then putting them into the Classics publication series. I did this with your verified Frankenstein, and made the faux pas of not asking permission (I thought I had, but I was wrong). So I wanted to let you know, and hope that meets with your approval. Chavey 02:41, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

No worries. I rarely take issue with changes people make unless it introduces incorrect data. Thanks for letting me know. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:45, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Future Boston

Updating your verified record here, re. the cover artist. PeteYoung 07:45, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Greye la Spina, "Invaders from the Dark"

I added a modest note to your verified publication adding the copyright statement, since it might be of interest to a viewer. Chavey 22:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

"No Doors, No Windows", by Harlan Ellison

I added a note to your verified publication that, according to Contento, the stories were rewritten for this edition. Chavey 03:19, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

"Selected Science Fiction & Fantasy Stories", by Jack London

I added a note to your verified pub to add the editor's name (from Contento). Chavey 17:10, 26 December 2011 (UTC)