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Richard F. Burton = Sir Richard Francis Burton

All of the titles published as by Richard F. Burton must be varianted to titles by Sir Richard Francis Burton since that's the canonical form of the author's name. If the latter titles don't exist, you have to create them. Mhhutchins 18:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay. How do I do that? If you can walk me through one, I can do the others. Nihonjoe 18:50, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Go to the first of the title records listed on the summary page for Richard F. Burton and click on it. Next, click on the link "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" under the Editing Tools menu. On the next page, go to the bottom section and replace "Richard F. Burton" with "Sir Richard Francis Burton" in the Author1 field. Then click the button "Create New Parent Title". This will have to be done for each of the titles currently credited to "Richard F. Burton". Mhhutchins 19:33, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Before you do this for the first three titles listed, you must reconcile the situation I present below about the publication type. Mhhutchins 19:35, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Still waiting on these to be varianted. Mhhutchins 05:01, 8 April 2015 (UTC)

I had been waiting for the updated entries to be accepted. I submitted the variants now. For the remaining 14 volumes, should I submit them the same as before and then variant them once they are approved? I'm assuming that's what needs to be done. Nihonjoe 02:45, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Yes. They can only be varianted once they're in the database. That requires you to create a record first. Once the record is in the db, you can create a variant. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:12, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, just wanted to make sure. Thanks. Nihonjoe 04:21, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Burton's The Book of the Thousand Nights and a Night

These should be typed as COLLECTION instead of NOVEL. Otherwise you have the oddity as displayed this record of an unpaged NOVEL content record at the start of a selection of short fiction pieces. Another problem is caused by the two novel contents contained in this record. You wouldn't change the type of the latter record to OMNIBUS even though it contains the novel-length work "Tale of King Omar Bin Al-Nu'uman and His Sons Sharrkan and Zau Al-Makan". This piece was not previously published in a separate edition as a novel, so the publication would be considered a COLLECTION. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:29, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Okay, all three updated to collection. Nihonjoe 19:41, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Now, you'll have to update the types of the corresponding title records. When updating the type of a publication record, its title record should match. Mhhutchins 20:34, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Done. Nihonjoe 20:36, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Wicked

Some questions about this record: A book published in 2004 wouldn't have an ISBN-13, so it's possible you may have misdated the record. The number line could be read to indicate it was published in 2011. Also, is William Morrow given as the publisher on its title page? The hardcover edition of this work was published by Regan Books. In 2011 William Morrow was (and still is) an imprint of HarperCollins as stated on their title pages, so should be credited as "William Morrow / HarperCollins". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 19:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Books even back in the later 1980s and early 1990s had ISBN-13s, but they were only part of the barcode as publishers were not using them as the main ISBN at the time. Nihonjoe 19:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Those weren't ISBNs. They were EANs. Work on creating a new standard book number, the ISBN-13, started in 2005 and fully implemented in 2007. The EAN was the basis for the ISBN-13 (especially in the use of 978 as a leading prefix), but they're not the same thing. Mhhutchins 20:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

This ISBN-13 is printed above the back cover barcode. The date is from the "0304" on the lower left corner of the front dust jacket flap and Amazon lists it as being published 2004-03-02. The original hardcover was published by Regan Books. The cover page of this one shows "William Morrow" and then "An imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers" directly below that. No mention anywhere of Regan Books. Nihonjoe 19:15, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

When books are reprinted, publishers don't change the date code given on the dust jackets. (Or at least, I've never heard of any publisher updating the dust jacket date code for later printings with the same ISBN.) Some publishers indicate reprintings on their copyright page, as does HarperCollins. The first number is the year of the printing and the last number is the number of the printing. So "11 ❖ / RRD 30 29 28 27 26 25 24 23 22" would indicate the 22nd printing of the edition and was printed in 2011. (See the number line given in this record for a book from the same publisher.) Based on the data you've provided, it's evident that William Morrow published a new hardcover edition in March 2004 as a tie-in edition for the new Broadway musical production, but using the same ISBN which was assigned by Regan Books. Despite its popularity, I seriously doubt that they would have gone through 22 printings in one year, much less one month. And if your copy has the word "ISBN-13" above the barcode on the back of the dust jacket, it had to have been published after January 2007. So I would suggest that the date field be changed to 2011 and the publisher field be changed to "William Morrow / HarperCollins". I will create a record for the March 2004 first printing based on secondary sources. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:19, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

It says "ISBN 978-0-06-039144-7" above a barcode for the same. Nihonjoe 20:44, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

That's the number which should go into the ISBN field for the record you created for this 2011 printing. I'll change it back to the ISBN-13 you've given here. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:49, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

I already submitted the change, and it looks like you approved it. Thanks for helping sort all of this out. Nihonjoe 20:56, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Fate of Worlds

I've updated the image on Fate of Worlds to one I scanned. You are the Primary2 verifier. I also included the Canadian price. Doug 21:00, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Sounds fine to me. Nihonjoe 05:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC)