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Welcome!

Hello, Twisty, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!Kraang (talk) 22:54, 19 June 2023 (EDT)

Skrekkens timer with Invalid ISBN number.

Hi! I've tried several different fixes but the ISBN[1] submitted has 11 digits instead of 10. If this is how it's displayed in the book then I will note the error & move it to a different part of the form. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:21, 19 June 2023 (EDT)

Hi! I'm new to this system, so I not sure if this is the right place to write, or if it is another way to communicate with you. Anyway, the ISBN in book is displayed like this: 82-04-00280-02

I don't know if it is a spell error in the book, but it's just displayed like that with 11 digits. Best Regards --Twisty (talk)

Yes this is the best place to respond, as for the ISBN it should have 10 digits, the first 9 help generate the 10th. If I use the first 9 the last number would be "7",so the correct ISBN would be 8204002807. So far all my attempts to use this number have yielded no positive results. Do you know of any data bases where you are that this ISBN might work? I'll make the changes to the pub to reflect the incorrect ISBN. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 21:16, 20 June 2023 (EDT)
Even the ISBN checker couldn't find a Norwegian variation that is known by Amazon. --Zapp (talk) 07:48, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
If you need any help go to the Main Wiki Page and leave any questions you may have on the Help Page. Everybody here has different knowledge in different parts of the database.21:30, 20 June 2023 (EDT)
Hello! Sorry for late reply... I really can't find any solution for this ISBN. --Twisty (talk)
https://bokelskere.no/bok/skrekkens-timer/291039/; This page shows a different book cover so maybe that's where the bad ISBN really belongs. --Username (talk) 10:40, 27 June 2023 (EDT)
Actually I have that book - when checking it, I discover the site you are linking to are using wrong cover for the title. It is a double book, 2 books in one but the two titles are different in it - it is "Hevneren fra fortiden" and "Skriket" that are the correct titles for that cover - it is actually two front covers, one at each side of the book that presents the titles in the book. Anyway - the stories in the book are taken from the same series and is published by the same publisher. It is two ISBN in the book and both are different from the site.--Twisty (talk)
Hello again! According to this site https://www.nb.no/tjenester/standardnummerering/isbn/omregning-10-13-siffers-isbn/, the last number would be 8, so the correct ISBN would be 82-04-00280-8 or 13 digits: 978-82-04-00280-8. Anyway i'm not sure if this will solve the problem... --Twisty (talk)
Forget my last post. 8 for the last number was for the new 13 digit number and you was right about the control numer 7 for the 10 digit number. I read how to find out now, and you already knew how to do it... --Twisty (talk)

Mörkets demoner

I put the valid ISBN-10 from the nb.no into here. If the publication has a different (invalid) ISBN, please put a note. Thank You. --Zapp (talk) 14:30, 27 June 2023 (EDT)

I don't know anything about that - I have the book and just typed the ISBN from the book itself...

I messed up the price currency symbols by the way - so I will fix it when all my other pending edits is finished...

I also see you use format tp on the second run on Midnattsgrøsseren - I have used pb on my new added titles and will fix it when they are added to isfdb. I had to check, and see you was right on both format and price currency symbols - I was wrong hahaha - now I learned after some mess...

There are some pages for help: List_of_currency_symbols and PublicationFields:Format. You can get some more assistance if You open the blue "?" links beside the field description in the edit page. It would be fine to use the signature link, the third one on the edit bar above (looks like xl). Good luck! --Zapp (talk) 22:40, 29 June 2023 (EDT)

Yes, I already checked the info :-)

Edderkoppen

Thanks for adding Edderkoppen. I added the translator template here and made the title a variant to the English original. I wasn't sure if you knew to do this yourself, sorry if you did. A note to mod re: your intentions is always welcome.

There was a problem with your uploaded image, there was no license tag. All images require a license tag. I added one for you.Here is the relevant help section. You need to add tags to any other images you have uploaded. In the future, add the image after the publication has been created, then you can use the link on the publication page and it will create the tag for you. Ask if you have questions. John Scifibones 11:30, 10 July 2023 (EDT)

Actually I don't know how to do a title variant. I can't find any way to do it. I did'nt know about the images license tag either. Twisty (talk)
No worries, I'll help you. Over the last couple days, I have been reviewing all your earlier new publication submissions. Variants have been created and license tags added to your uploaded images. I'll finish this afternoon. The edits I'm making can only be done after a new publication submission is approved. Here are the two edits I made to the title record of this publication.
  1. Add the translator template. Do not type the text. This was the exact entry {{Tr|Helge Skolem}}, the software generated the text.
  2. Link the translation to the original. Here is the submission. This is the relevant help section.
  3. Upload the images. From now on. Go to the publication record and you will see "Upload new cover scan". This will automatically create a license tag while you upload the image.
We have a few conventions when posting on the wiki. Notice how I added a colon to your post and two colons to my response. This automatically indents the posts to make it easier to follow. Take a moment to read general discussion conventions.
Post a note to moderator in new pub submissions you intend to do steps 1 and 2 above. Until then, I'll monitor your submissions and add as needed. John Scifibones 13:04, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

Thanks for the information - I understand I have to learn alot, so I will not upload picture before after I added a new publication. I will take some time reading before I add more titles in hope I don't do so much errors in future... But I am still a newbie so probably I will do some more errors before I get experienced. By the way, I see I still have som pending submissions that are done same way as my other submissions... Twisty (talk)

Norwegian Legend

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5714526; I added some links to Matheson books today and noticed this one you entered recently; it wasn't made a variant of the original English title so I've done that in the above PENDING edit. You may want to add translator to title record because there's a yellow warning about it being missing. EDIT: I see that you entered many books by the same publisher, some made a variant of the English title, some not, so I assume you'll eventually variant all of them; I cancelled my edit. --Username (talk) 18:35, 10 July 2023 (EDT)

Fem fæle fortellinger

I corrected the Publication type of your verified publication. Please check the lengths of the content titles. A few look longer than short story. Thanks, John Scifibones 10:44, 11 July 2023 (EDT)

Speculative Fiction?

What makes all these publications eligible for inclusion? John Scifibones 13:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

They appear to be based on the film Cobra. I've never seen the film, and the plot summary doesn't really give any speculative elements. Do the later books in the series have speculative elements? These don't appear to have ever been published in English, so I can't tell. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:28, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
Was going to check with the submitter, the first few seemed fine but the rest appear a bit suspect. Will wait to see what Twisty has to say and if they need to be deleted then they will be deleted.Kraang (talk) 23:18, 12 July 2023 (EDT)
Do the covers have anything to do with the books? This one has a Conan cover[2] on a Cobra series book.Kraang (talk) 23:22, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

I understand why you are suspicious, because these are really strange publications. I think they only are written in norwegian and sold in Norway, but I not sure - they are very hard to get, I just got ten of the twelwe books. I did not read them yet, but from what other have said that read them is:

The only thing they have in common with the movie is the name Cobra. The hero in the book is called Acorn Slaughter, in the film it is Marion Cobretti. These books are very pornographic in content.

The covers have nothing to do with the books - They have used images from Stallone's films, private life and of his then girlfriend Birgitte Nielsen. The story behind these choices could be interesting to hear.

In the second reprint of this book series, they even used picture of Mel Gibson from Lethal Weapon as a front cover for one of the books. Twisty (talk)

Since you haven't read them and can't point to anything that indicates they belong, I think they should be deleted. If you read them and then think one or all belong, they can always be reentered. John Scifibones 13:52, 17 July 2023 (EDT)

Belong to what? I don't understand what you mean. Also about speculative elements - what do you mean? These are books I have - it's not like I making up books that not exist? It's an serie for 12 books with same character in it - it's a synopsis on the back of every book. It is just the covers for the book that are crazy and don't match the content in the books. I don't understand the problem? Is there a point I have missed somewhere? Please explain... Twisty (talk)

This is a speculative fiction website, horror, SF, fantasy, no crime or other realistic fiction. Some major genre authors get non-genre books added if people feel like entering them to make their records more complete but the author of these books is not major. --Username (talk) 14:10, 18 July 2023 (EDT)
As Username noted, the ISFDB catalogs science fiction, fantasy, horror, and alternate history printed works, as well as non-fiction works about those areas. We would like to know if these books have any science fiction, fantasy, horror, or alternate history elements in them. If they do, then they can definitely be cataloged here. If they do not, they should be removed. You can see more at SCOPE. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:39, 18 July 2023 (EDT)

Oh my! I did'nt know that - now I feel stupid! Then it not belong, because it's crime/action. I will also remove the Rambo books that is still pending adds. Well, then I will only add science fiction and horror from now on. I'm sorry for the mess I made about this. Twisty (talk)

No apologies necessary, I'm glad you understand. I'll take care of removing them and the image uploads. John Scifibones 18:49, 18 July 2023 (EDT)

Beyond the Beyond variant submissions

Hi! I've put these submissions on hold to think about if this is the correct way of dealing with them. I may post something about it on the moderator board in a day or so if I don't think of anything. In the meantime could you submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book[3]. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:52, 29 July 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, I understand - I was a little unsure myself. But both books itself states the original title is "Beyond the Beyond". Thats why I also did what I did. It was the same problem for the title "Beyond the curtain of dark" that was translated into three different books in the "Midnattsgrøsseren" series. All three books there are now title variant from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". I will submit variants for the last two novelettes in the second book now. Twisty (talk)
I'm going to approve the submission and add some notes to to parent title record about the split nature of the Norwegian books. I see only two of the books "Beyond the curtain of dark"[4] have been made into variants, is this the third[5]? If it is than could you add some notes or contents to it? Thanks.Kraang (talk) 10:25, 30 July 2023 (EDT)
The thing is I don't know for sure yet about the title "Kontrakt med djevelen". But since it is between the other two books and there still is missing 8 or 9 stories from "Beyond the curtain of dark", I guess or am pretty sure it is a third book or the second chronology to have translations from the book "Beyond the curtain of dark". When I get my hands on it I will update the information at once. I have a place who maybe have the book, but I have to wait until his vacation is finished before he finds out if he have that book. I don't want to add any more information on the title before i'm sure on the content. Twisty (talk)

Mörkets demoner

I found Your pv publication here and I wonder about the different spelling of the Publication Title from the Anthology Title. The right one would be that from the title page inside the book. Could You please take a look? --Zapp (talk) 12:12, 30 July 2023 (EDT)

The title page inside the book title this title "Mørkets demoner". Actually, I thought I had updated it, I will do now - thanks for saying! --Twisty (talk)

Spennende timer med Bloch og Bradbury

Hello,

I see that you added the translators for your verified - thanks for that. Do you know how to connect the stories to their original records (as I do not see them submitted in the queue, I am stopping by to ask if you need assistance with these). Thanks! Annie (talk) 14:26, 1 August 2023 (EDT)

Hello! I know how to connect the stories to their original - I am working on the science fiction series, but waiting for pending edits before do new changes - I will connect all my pending edits to their originals... Twisty (talk)
Just making sure :) Just so you know - you can submit both the EditTitle and the MakeVariant at the same time - they do not clash. I tend to do that when working translations - or things get left behind. :) Annie (talk) 15:25, 1 August 2023 (EDT)

Mot evig natt

I rewrote your note here and changed the year of the publication based on that. While it is technically possible for this not to be true, this series is not known for publishing the books in weird order so I'd call it a sure bet that is is 1971. :) Let me know if you have any questions/concerns! Annie (talk) 14:31, 1 August 2023 (EDT)

I was going to do that myself, but now I don't need to :-) Twisty (talk)

Slaters planet

When you create a new book, you specify only one date and it becomes the date for both the publication record and all the newly created title record. Once they are created, they become independent. So when you are changing the date of the book such as here, you need to manually adjust the date of the title(s) as well when needed (if a title record is used in more than one publication, the title will need to have the earliest pub date; if it is just one as here, you want to adjust to the date you just changed the publication to). In the latter case you can do that with the EditPublication - you just need to scroll down and change the date in the other field as well. In both cases you can do an EditTitle -- which is what I did here. Let me know if you have any questions. :) Annie (talk) 14:36, 1 August 2023 (EDT)

I see, you mean the date in Regular title field? Twisty (talk)
Yep. And the one of any story in a collection in the same section (if they are greyed out, that means they are used in more than one place - so you need to go to the title record itself). Same for the coverart record if one was added (people always forget the cover). The same applies if you want to change the title as well -- once created each title record is on its own and changing a publication title/author/date, does not change them :) Annie (talk) 15:26, 1 August 2023 (EDT)
About the collection i'm a little unsure for the translated title - because I don't know if it has been published more places in different norwegian books, so I just leave it blank until I know. Coverart is also a little difficult in these norwegian publications, because they never credit the artist, but if they do, I will see what I can do about it... Still new to this site, but not as new as before... Twisty (talk)
Which is fine - a lot of collections are local and never get a parent. Which is fine. And yes - covers credits are... weird. I mentioned them for the cases where they are added already - as you need to adjust their dates as well. But if we do not know them, nothing needs to be done.
You are doing very well - translations and magazines are our hardest spots in the DB so most international editors have a big challenge from day 1. :) Annie (talk) 15:58, 1 August 2023 (EDT)

Badge of Infamy

Hi! It appears the original title is a shortfiction novella so the book "Pesten" should have been entered as a CHAPBOOK. I'll have to reject the submission or you can reject it yourself. I can walk you through the process of changing the title[6] in question into a CHAPBOOK, it can be done in one edit, let me know and I'll provide the steps involved. Thanks.Kraang (talk) 23:57, 5 August 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, thanks for telling me. I was a little unsure on this, I will change it to CHAPBOOK now and then make a variant title again. Shall I change the regular title to shortfiction and length to novella? Twisty (talk)
The change was correct, just have to do the variants, one for the CHAPBOOK & the shortfiction.Kraang (talk) 07:16, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
Ah, I need to do for both. It's only one story in this book so they will be linked to same title. Twisty (talk)
I get this uncommon title combination when trying to make variant, and if I link it to another CHAPBOOK i will get a mismatch on the year, so I not sure how to link the main title... Twisty (talk)
It's first appearance in English as a chapbook was 1976 and in German 1974 your submission that you cancelled was correct[7] in this case, so I'll unreject it and approve.Kraang (talk) 09:03, 6 August 2023 (EDT)
Nice! I really got confused about this one. Twisty (talk)

Audrey Rose Art

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?27301; I'd say 1981 cover should be variant of Warner PB (by Charles Moll); same girl's face although the "born" and "died" on the headstone were translated from English. --Username (talk) 13:52, 3 October 2023 (EDT)

How to make a variation of the cover art? I suspect it is Svein Solem that made the the cover variation because the art looks a little bit different from the original, and Svein Solem made the other cover arts for the casino grøsser series where cover art is credited. Twisty (talk)
But no! On a closer inspection the cover artwork seems to be somewhat based on (inspired by) the artwork by Charles Moll, but redrawn by another hand: the face is a bit different and the Norwegian inscription is totally new indeed. Is there any credit for the artwork inside the book? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 05:19, 4 December 2023 (EST)

Publication series 'Science Fiction'

Hi! I renamed this Norwegian pub. series into 'Fredhøis Forlag A/S Science Fiction'. The reason is that we need to differentiate these series, because dozens of publishers have used the series name (see here: all of those that only have the publisher's name + Science Fiction), but all of them are distinct series. Hope that is meaningful to you. Stonecreek (talk) 02:06, 4 December 2023 (EST)

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