User talk:Nihonjoe/Archive 1

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Welcome

Welcome to my talk page. Nihonjoe 08:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)

Normally we welcome YOU rather than vice versa! :-) Are you the author of the book I recently approved? BLongley 00:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Nope, I was just working on something else which brought me around to that book and I noticed that the bio of the author was missing some links. Nihonjoe 01:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

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Afterblight Chronicles

I had to reject your submission to change the title of this pub to that of the cover image. The original data is from Amazon, so that's where the title came from. Hopefully, when the book is published, an editor will be able to confirm the title from the book's title page. That's the ISFDB standard for titling publication records, not from the book's cover or dustjacket, as they sometimes differ. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, have fun with that. I don't even care about that book, and was just trying to help. Nihonjoe 23:45, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Cover image linking

Hi. Thanks for the correction to Horror Film Festivals and Awards. I had to make one change to the submission. Our software displays linked cover images (and author pictures) by loading them from the host website, putting a load on that site, so we only link to sites where we have explicit permission to do so. (If you're interested in the gory details, see ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions). McFarland.com is not a site where we have permission. I did a little searching and found another image on Amazon.com (where we do have permission to link) that looked the same to me, and I changed the cover link you provided to this link instead. Let me know if it doesn't look right to you. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --MartyD 01:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

The Unquiet

Hi - I had to reject your submission to update the editor of The Unquiet from 'uncredited' to the authors of all the works included. In the case of this record, the Anthology has an editor, someone who should receive credit for bringing these 5 stories together but at this time, we don't know who that is (we are hoping the copyright page will let us know once the book comes out in a few weeks). You can see the guidelines for Author here. Thanks Kevin 16:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

So you can add that later. Doesn't make the edit I suggested any less valid. Nihonjoe 22:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Vampires

I am also going to reject your submission to change the editor of Vampires from 'uncredited' to the authors of the contents. Now.... in this case you've found a record where the contents of the anthology haven't been entered yet. You are welcome to enter all the contents of the anthology, so that each author gets credit for being included in the book. You can see the guidelines for putting 'Contents' into an anthology in the Help Pages. You should also wait until the book comes out so you can enter each Author and the correct short story, unless there is an exact list on the publishers website that I didn't see. Thanks again. Kevin 16:41, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

I already entered the information and you rejected it. Feel free to add it yourself. Nihonjoe 22:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Man-Kzin Wars XIII

When a multi-author anthology doesn't have a credited editor, some ISFDB editors have proposed that the authors listed on the title page should be credited as the authors of the book. The ISFDB display logic credits them as editors because ordinarily the "author" of an anthology is its editor. I personally feel such anthologies should give the editor as "uncredited", but there's still a debate about such cases should be handled. Rest assured, we know the authors listed in this anthology are not the editors, just those who are credited on the book's title page. Mhhutchins 21:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)

You may know that, but the casual user of the site isn't going to be able to read your minds. The way the information is presented is misleading and incorrect. Nihonjoe 18:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

An anthology having no credited editor is relatively uncommon, so we have to make exceptions when that happens. As I tried to explain, the present way of crediting isn't perfect, but that's the standard. Any intelligent, albeit casual, user would understand the dilemma. A note of explanation in the record's note field doesn't hurt either. We don't presume to know whether the casual user can read minds. They're a pretty smart group of people. Otherwise they wouldn't be reading speculative fiction. :) Mhhutchins 20:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)

Starting a new line in the Note field of a publication record

Re this publication: you'll notice that all of the information you added to the Note field runs on like it's one sentence. That's because this field doesn't recognize a keyboard "enter" stroke as the start of a new line. You must force a new line by using HTML. At the end of each line, or when you want to start a new sentence enter these four characters: <br>. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:41, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. No one mentioned that before, and the other ones I've done must have just been edited by the moderator approving them. Nihonjoe 23:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

That may be the case. Moderators will occasionally correct errors, and only bring them to your attention if they see a pattern. It's always a good idea to look back at the records you've edited just to make sure no errors got through. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 01:19, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Archiving messages

I see that you've removed recent messages from your talk page but not where you archived them. You should wait about a month or so before archiving messages (never delete them) because you never know when something may come up again about some advice or instructions you were given, or if another editor asked questions concerning a submission or a verified publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

This is a wiki, so everything is in the history of the page. If you really insist, I can certainly create an archive page to make it one less click to access the info. Nihonjoe 04:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Unfortunately, due to disk space limitations, we have to purge all but the last 50 versions of our Wiki pages once every 6-12 months :( Ahasuerus 04:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Disks aren't all that expensive, and they are going down in cost regularly. Perhaps have a "Donate" button on all the pages to allow people to chip in a few bucks every now-and-then. Nihonjoe 04:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Also, the ones I removed aren't recent. They were from 2012. I left the recent ones here. I made a link to the archive at the top of this page. Nihonjoe 06:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Images

You posted this: ==Image for Alas, Babylon== I submitted a cover image for Alas, Babylon here back on February 23, but the image isn't showing up yet. I submitted one for The Tar-Aiym Krang here on the same day, and it's not showing up, either. How long do they take to show up? Thanks! Nihonjoe 22:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Images are not automatically linked to the records once they are uploaded to the DB. Once the upload is complete, you need to copy the URL for the image, not the upload page [right-click on the image and your browser should give you a couple of options: save/copy to your clipboard] or just click on the image which will then open it on it's own page [no external wiki-stuff] and then copy that URL into the image field in the record. The images you inquired about will still be in the Upload Log, they don't disappear, so you can still do this without re-uploading them. There is another way, rather than scrolling through a bunch of images: just use the "Upload New Image on the edit screen for the two records and you'll get a warning that an image already exists. Click on the link given and there's your image. Transfer it as above! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

PS: this kind of inquiry should go on the Help Page or the Community Portal, I don't check my secondary page very often and on the other pages this would have been responded to the same day. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. As for checking your secondary pages, if you don't check it often, you shouldn't direct people to post to it. Seems counter-productive otherwise. Nihonjoe 01:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Regarding your comments here, the welcome message is still on the archive page, so pretty easily accessible if I need it. Or, as you pointed out, it's in the navigation box in this part of the wiki. Thanks! Nihonjoe 21:18, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

When Marnie Was There

Are you certain of the publication date of this record? I can't find a 2014 edition of this title. There was an edition published on April 2, 2002 according to Amazon, but it was published by Collins (not HarperCollins Children's Books) with an ISBN of 0-00-710477-4 (not 0-978-00-710477-2). Could this be the same as your copy? Or perhaps you have a later printing of this edition? Mhhutchins 22:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

At the top of the copyright page, it reads as follows:

First published in Great Britain by Collins in 1967

First published as a Collins Modern Classic in 2002

This edition published by HarperCollins Children's Books in 2014

And yes, the "Children's Books" part is italicized in the book. The ISBN is from the back of the book and matches the ISBN on the copyright page. 978-0-00-710477-2 is correct. Nihonjoe 23:57, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

I've also uploaded a cover image for the one I have. It's a little different than the one you added from Amazon. Nihonjoe 00:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Is it just a coincidence that the 2002 and 2014 editions were published on the same day of the year? Also, is there a printed price on your copy? Mhhutchins 01:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

Maybe they planned it that way. No idea. There's a Canadian price and a Sterling price. No US Dollars price. Nihonjoe 02:47, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

What is your source for the publication date of the your edition? I just found this 2014 Canadian edition published on April 29, 2014. (Pay no attention to the cover image, because Amazon occasionally links the image of an earlier, or later, printing.) Since your copy has a Canadian price, perhaps that's your edition. Also, any printed price should be added to the record. The most prominent one goes in the Price field, and secondary ones are recorded in the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:22, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I got the date off the copyright page in the book itself. I guess it's possible I got a Canadian edition. I just ordered it off Amazon. Neither price is the most prominent, though. I'll look at it again and see which one it might be. Nihonjoe 21:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

I asked because it's quite rare to put a publication date in a book, usually it's just the month or the year. Knopf is about the only publisher who recorded the date on later printings. Does your copy state anywhere something like "Printed in Canada"? Mhhutchins 22:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)

It was printed in England. I added the £6.99 for the price. Nihonjoe 05:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, on this listing, the "281 • Postrcript (When Marnie Was There) • (2002) • essay by Deborah Sheppard" needs to have a typo corrected: "Postrcript" needs to be "Postscript". Nihonjoe 05:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

That's easily corrected. Click on the title, which leads to the title record, and then click on the "Edit Title Data" link under the Editing Tools menu. Mhhutchins 05:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. Nihonjoe 05:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Shin'ainaru kurōn

Re this publication: are you certain that "Tokyo" is part of the publisher's name? Mhhutchins 05:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Yes. Nihonjoe 05:30, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Also this. Nihonjoe 05:31, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

The Return of the Twelves

It looks like you used the "Add Variant Title" Web page to enter this book's data. Unfortunately, it is one of our more obscure and potentially misleading data entry forms. As Help:Screen:AddVariant says:

• Note that this screen permits you to enter title information without any associated publication information. Because publications are the primary sources, it is always preferable to enter the publication instead of just some title information. That way the information can be verified by another editor. Please avoid using this screen if possible, for this reason. One situation in which the use of this screen is necessary is when you are entering a variant title for a serialized version of a novel which was never published elsewhere under that serialized title.

I have created a publication record for this edition and moved all publication details to it. I have also created a publication record for the first US edition. What's curious about it is that the Library of Congress claims that it came out in 1964 while the copyright page of your eighth impression says "First American Edition 1963". My guess is that the publisher filed with the Library of Congress in 1963, but the book came out in 1964, a fairly common occurrence. I will document the discrepancy in the Title note and in the Publication note of the 1964 record. Thanks! Ahasuerus 13:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

Oversized file

Re this image file: At 173 kb, this file exceeds the requested standard (files should be no larger than 150 kb; exceptions are made for wraparound cover art). Please resize it when you get a chance. Most graphic programs should be able to reduce its resolution while retaining the image size. If you need assistance, let me know. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:06, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

This file has the same problem. Mhhutchins 15:07, 4 October 2014 (UTC)

Whispers in the Graveyard

You make a good point about the Fidler award, but look at the history of the award. There were winners in 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1987, then nothing until 1993, then annual awards between 1996 and 2001. Makes you wonder what happened between 1987 and 1996, right?

Now, according to this Bookawards page:

• The Fidler Awards are unique in that the winning manuscript is guaranteed publication, offering aspiring writers the opportunity to see their first novel in print. Would-be authors are invited to submit manuscripts for novels for children aged 8 - 12 years. A panel of judges, comprised of members of Scottish Book Trust, who administer the Award, editors from Hodder Children's Books and a number of independent children's book experts, select the winner, which is then published after the full editorial process. The winner also receives an advance of £1000, plus a royalty package, and is presented with a rosewood and silver trophy, to be held for one year.

• Kathleen Fidler was the author of over eighty books for children ... worked closely with the Edinburgh Children's Book Group. After her death in 1980, the members of that group, together with her publishers, Blackie and Son Limited, and Mary Baxter, then Chief Executive of the National Book League (Scotland), established The Kathleen Fidler Award as a memorial to her deep interest in children and writers. In 1996, Hodder Children's Books took over the sponsorship of the award and the name was changed to The Fidler Award.

So it looks like the award ran into serious trouble and went dormant ca. 1987. And if we check the Blackie and Son Limited page on Wikipedia, it says that the company folded in 1991. The award was apparently given a new lease on life in 1996 when Hodder's Children took over the sponsorship.

Given the circumstances, it seems likely that Breslin did win the award in 1987, but Blackie and Son Limited were unable to come through since they were already struggling financially. Subsequently the book languished until the early 1990s when it was published by Methuen.

What do you think? Ahasuerus 00:18, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

That's possible. Maybe it would be good to put in some note on the award page and/or the book page explaining the information above. Otherwise, people may continue to question it and perhaps submit it for deletion again. Nihonjoe 00:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Done! Ahasuerus 01:08, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Looks good. (link) Nihonjoe 03:31, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

A Call to Duty

I added a new cover scan and notes to A Call to Duty. I also added the Roman numeral page count and disambiguated the foreword and afterword. Bob 23:43, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Nihonjoe 05:26, 26 October 2014 (UTC)