User talk:JJ

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Welcome!

Hello, JJ, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Joe M. McDermott

Thank you for finding this. However, when establishing a pseudonym relationship, the ISFDB uses the most widely credited name as the canonical name. In this case, that would be J. M. McDermott. I've had to reject your edit and instead created the pseudonym relationship going the other one. We do appreciate your submission. ISFDB has some conventions that need learning, but everything should be in the help links in the welcome message above. We hope you will continue to contribute. And please let us know if you have any questions (ISFDB:Help desk is a good resource for asking). -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

No worries, just wanted to give you all a heads-up. Thanks for all your hard work. I refer to ISFDB several times a week. :-) JJ 02:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Series Editor

Hello, to the best of my knowledge, we do not credit Series Editors like here. Note that you(?) are amply cited in the notes. I've put your submissions on hold if you want to present your case on The Moderaor Noticeboard. Hauck 05:42, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

It's my understanding that they are co-editors.
How does this differ from these examples?
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26601
http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80402
Also, I don't understand what you mean "you(?) are amply cited in the notes". I wasn't the user who entered these database items, that was Markwood and Hauck.JJ 09:04, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
For the first point, your examples are quite telling as, on those that you provided, both editors are "on an equal footing" which seems not the case in both your submissions (they're not by "X & JJA"). For your second point, I vaguely know this "Hauck", my point was that the credit to the series editor was clearly made in the note field (which is not always the case, like in this publication). The you(?) was because I supposed (perhaps wrongly) that you're John Joseph Adams. Hauck 10:28, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

"your examples are quite telling as, on those that you provided, both editors are "on an equal footing" which seems not the case in both your submissions"

Actually, I happen to know that at that point, at the very least Ferman was in an advisory role and Van Gelder did the heavy lifting -- which is why I'm bemused that you're making a distinction here.

Just as Ferman was in an advisory role and Rusch did the heavy lifting here: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35668

And thanks for assuming that I'm a massively award-winning SF editor and magazine publisher whom I am sure has absolutely no time to spend faffing around on the ISFDB. Perhaps you're aware of the adage "You know what happens when you assume". But no, I work a full-time job in IT, and in addition to hopefully having a bit of a real life, I spend a great deal of time and effort making voluntary contributions at a couple of other well-known genre sites. I use this site constantly as a reference source, and lately I've been trying to give a little back here by helping out where I find discrepancies. If my assistance is not welcome, I will be happy to desist.

JJ 11:56, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

The main issue here is that we don't go by "I happen to know", we're just, as you correctly surmise, a lowly band of no-lifers that only take into account what's on the pages of the books (have another look at the covers of the books cited above and you'll easily see what I mean by "equal footing"). To be rude, you can shove up such sentences as "hopefully having a bit of a real life" where you want. This is not the way of a person trying to "give a little back here by helping out", it's just a plain insult. I've moderated more than 200.000 submissions here and there is regularly people like you than just CAN'T take an argumented "No" for an answer and of course always knows best. They usually end by having a tantrum and leaving, so have a nice day in your real life. Hauck 13:59, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
I think you are both reading too much into each other's words and should take a deep breath. JJ, the ISFDB works on the principle that we credit based first and foremost on what the publication states. In this case, the publications you edited credit an editor and a series editor. In such cases, we list the editor in the publication author field and put the series editor in the publication notes. In the two examples you listed above, the publications credit them both as editors ("Edited by -- & --"). In such cases, both names go in the publication author field. The distinction we make is the same distinction the publication makes. The difference between us and other genre sites is that we are bibliographic site. Our publication records are focused on recording what the publication states, not what may have happened behind the scenes. As for Hauck's assumption, it is not unknown for such authors to make an occasional edit here. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2017 (UTC)
Particularly when a contributor named "JJ" adds a credit for "John Joseph Adams". As for taking a deep breath, I notice that your arguments are exactly the same as mine ("they're not by "X & JJA"" vs. "Edited by -- & --") so perhaps wasn't I so wrong.Hauck 16:09, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

The Long and Short of It

I have entered the Kindle editions listed in the moderator notes for your edit. As for the audible versions, while they are allowed, I will leave them for you to add if you wish (we allow audio books, but leave it up to interested editors to add vs. trying to comprehensively add them). You can clone the new chapbook entries and enter the data for the Aubible versions. Instead of using the moderator notes for this type of thing, it would be better if you added a post to ISFDB:Community Portal. Thanks for finding these. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:14, 1 July 2018 (EDT)

Dinosaurs

Hi, how many essays about dinosaurs by James Patrick Kelly are actually in 'A Fistful of Dinosaurs'? You gave three, but Amazon gives two.--Dirk P Broer 07:49, 11 February 2020 (EST)

King of Dogs Queen of Cats

I have deleted the pub. You can submit a delete yourself by going the pub page and selecting the "Delete This Pub" on the left. Thank you for finding this error. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:00, 4 April 2020 (EDT)

Sammy HK Smith

Hello. I have two of your submissions on hold for now, pending a discussion on name normalization - see here. If you would, can you head over to the Community Portal and provide insight in your reasoning why to use Sammy HK Smith, instead of just Sammy Smith, as that's how he is credited as 'creative director' of Grimbold Books? Regards, MagicUnk 13:56, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

In the meantime, we've got a single reply ;), and it's in favour of your submissions, so I've approved these. MagicUnk 13:34, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Salt Publishing

Hello again:). Your submission here wants to update the editor/publisher of Salt Publishing to Chris Hamilton-Emery - who is currently not known in our DB. I couldn't find any definitive proof that he is editor/publisher of Salt Publishing (apparently he -is- a director - see here). The only thing I could find is that Jennifer Hamilton-Emery (sister?) and Linda Bennett are directors/editors of 'Salt' and are the executive board - see here. Can you perhaps provide the source of this information that Chris is to be the editor/publisher instead of Linda and Jennifer? That would be appreciated. Thanks! MagicUnk 14:09, 30 April 2020 (EDT)

It's over two months now, so I went ahead and rejected your submission. When you read this, please post your reply on my talk page with the data source, and if this submission needs to be resurrected (we can do that now, so your work's not really lost ;). Regards, MagicUnk 16:44, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Nic and Viv's Complusory Courtship

Hello. I've rejected your submission as the correct spelling of the title should not go into the transliterated title field, but in the notes field of the title record. I've done that for you. Regards, MagicUnk 15:29, 18 September 2020 (EDT)

I checked with one of the PVs (MLB), and it turns out that it was a typo indeed, so you should have submitted a correction to the title (instead of using the transliterated title field). All set now. Regards, MagicUnk 06:29, 19 September 2020 (EDT)

Juice Like Wounds

Hello, I've accepted your submission but removed the series number, as you entered the database unique identifier of the record (which we don't do), not the actual the order number of the short story in the Wayward Children series (if known).

Also, we've recently refined the rules for adding info in the synopsis field. We now require dated source and verbatim quoted blurb between quotes and use ellipsis (...) when omitting part of the text. See here. Regards, MagicUnk 16:02, 18 September 2020 (EDT)

Same for this one. MagicUnk 16:01, 18 September 2020 (EDT)

The Invisible Life of Addie LaRue

Hello, I've accepted your submission, and I've added a note to clarify where the cover art attribution came from. If you are adding information to a pub record, it is good practice to always add a note (and date it) where that data came from. The only exception where you can forego providing a data source is when you have the book in hand AND you have primary verified it to indicate that the actual book is the source of the data. As of just now, the pub record was not PV'd by you, but I infer from your note to moderators that you have it in hand? If so, please do PV the record! Thanks, regards, MagicUnk 11:36, 5 February 2021 (EST)

Same for this submission MagicUnk 11:42, 5 February 2021 (EST)

Stories lengths

When you have a number of words (even approximate), adding them to the Notes of a story is very useful. I will approve the changes in length you submitted but keep that in mind for the future. :) Annie 12:19, 9 February 2021 (EST)

Shared Dreams

"Cover design by Kate Marshall Designs" does not give a coverart credit to someone - see the help page:

  • The cover designer (as opposed to the cover artist) is only entered in this field if he or she also did (parts of) the cover art. Otherwise the cover designer can be recorded in the note field.

I need to reject this but I will add the note and see where this existing credit is coming from. Annie 18:15, 15 March 2021 (EDT)

New Atlantis

Hello,

First, thanks for adding the credit for the cover here. However, we need the credit in the publication notes (as the only sources there are Amazon UK and Kobo and none of them have the credit). I added the link and the note for you (thanks for linking it in the moderator notes) but it really needs to be in the proper notes. :) Thanks! Annie 15:34, 12 April 2021 (EDT)

The Big Time

I approved your submission The Big Time, even though I didn't really understand what you did. But as an aside, notice that the story first appeared in an Ace double (that's where I first read it). Virtually all the time, the stories in the Ace doubles were labelled novels, although most were probably short enough to be novellas. Like you said, history. Bob 12:36, 22 April 2021 (EDT)

The Only Living Girl on Earth

Hi JJ, I understand that JLaTondre rejected your submission to alter the date of publication for Charles Yu's chapbook 'The Only Living Girl on Earth' on my verified pub, and your Note to Moderator lists several sources that say the date of publication is 8 January 2021. The copyright page I have of the ebook itself states "First e-book edition: December 2020", and the ISFDB only uses publication dates from other sources if it is not stated in the publication itself. Thanks. PeteYoung 18:09, 1 May 2021 (EDT)

Secondary Sourcing

When adding data from a source that is not the pub, please list the source in the pub notes (not the moderator notes). So for example, I added "Cover art credit from publisher's website." to the Subterranean Press covers you added. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:13, 26 June 2021 (EDT)

The Book of Dragons

HI, You verified the 2020 UK softcover ed. P838806. Moments ago I submitted revision of page count from 558 to xvii+558 and one page number from 253 to 453. Both match the 2020 US hardcover P780530, relying Amazon "Look inside" that shows(ed) numerous front leaves plus last printed leaf [557]-58.

To include xvii in the book page count follows ISFDB rules. Numbers 253 and 453 are the only discrepancy between your reported page numbers and the US Contents list, p[xi-xii], which is adequate to judge that the editions match, the Contents list reports page numbers accurately, and '253' is your typo for '453'. As p453, the sequence of contents also matches our older record of the 1st UK hardcover.

(Probably the print editions are all identical, where page count 576 is Amazon representation of xvii+558.) --Pwendt|talk 13:26, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

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