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The "Pages" field is supposed to give an idea about how much ''content'' a publication contains and to also make its value ''comparable'' to the page numbers in other databases. It can sometimes be an ''exact'' value of the content, but is often only an ''approximation'' for several reasons:
 
The "Pages" field is supposed to give an idea about how much ''content'' a publication contains and to also make its value ''comparable'' to the page numbers in other databases. It can sometimes be an ''exact'' value of the content, but is often only an ''approximation'' for several reasons:
* different publishers start the counting of pages and use page numbering in different ways
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* Different publishers start the counting of pages and use page numbering in different ways
* different kinds of publications mix content, non-content (like advertisements) and empty pages in different ways
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* Different kinds of publications mix content, non-content (like advertisements) and empty pages in different ways
  
 
This means:
 
This means:
 
* ''Don't'' use the count of all sheets of paper in a publication.
 
* ''Don't'' use the count of all sheets of paper in a publication.
* ''Don't'' skim through a publication in order to substract empty pages or advertisements found within the contents from the page count.
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* ''Don't'' skim through a publication in order to subtract empty pages or advertisements found within the contents from the page count.
  
 
= Some examples about page count accuracy =
 
= Some examples about page count accuracy =
  
 
* Exact count: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?441930 this book] has a last printed page number of 491, which is indeed the last page of the novel. The first page of the novel is on page numbered 1, therefore a "pages" values of 491 is an exact value for this book.
 
* Exact count: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?441930 this book] has a last printed page number of 491, which is indeed the last page of the novel. The first page of the novel is on page numbered 1, therefore a "pages" values of 491 is an exact value for this book.
* Approximation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41259 this book] has a last printed page number of 324, which is indeed the last page of the novel. The first page of the novel is on page numbered 17, which results in only 307 pages containing content. Moreover, counting backwards from there to the beginning of the book would strangely make the ''cover'' of the book page ''3'' - i.e. even if every page of the book was numbered, the would be no pages 1 and 2. Still, this will be entered as "324".
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* Approximation: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?41259 this book] has a last printed page number of 324, which is indeed the last page of the novel. The first page of the novel is on page numbered 17, which results in only 307 pages containing content. Moreover, counting backwards from there to the beginning of the book would strangely make the ''cover'' of the book page ''3'' - i.e. even if every page of the book was numbered, there would be no pages 1 and 2. Still, this will be entered as "324".
  
 
= Counting additional content =
 
= Counting additional content =
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* A '''novel''' ends completely on ''numbered'' page 245.
 
* A '''novel''' ends completely on ''numbered'' page 245.
* Ther are  2 more ''unnumbered'' pages containing an '''afterword'''.  
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* Pages: 245+[2]
 
* Pages: 245+[2]

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Rules

You'll find the rules for the "Pages" field in the Pages template which will appear in several other help pages (e.g. New Novel) as well.

Below are further explanations and examples regarding these rules.

Intention of "Pages"

The "Pages" field is supposed to give an idea about how much content a publication contains and to also make its value comparable to the page numbers in other databases. It can sometimes be an exact value of the content, but is often only an approximation for several reasons:

  • Different publishers start the counting of pages and use page numbering in different ways
  • Different kinds of publications mix content, non-content (like advertisements) and empty pages in different ways

This means:

  • Don't use the count of all sheets of paper in a publication.
  • Don't skim through a publication in order to subtract empty pages or advertisements found within the contents from the page count.

Some examples about page count accuracy

  • Exact count: this book has a last printed page number of 491, which is indeed the last page of the novel. The first page of the novel is on page numbered 1, therefore a "pages" values of 491 is an exact value for this book.
  • Approximation: this book has a last printed page number of 324, which is indeed the last page of the novel. The first page of the novel is on page numbered 17, which results in only 307 pages containing content. Moreover, counting backwards from there to the beginning of the book would strangely make the cover of the book page 3 - i.e. even if every page of the book was numbered, there would be no pages 1 and 2. Still, this will be entered as "324".

Counting additional content

Here are some examples for a better understanding of how additional content on unnumbered pages is entered. Please note that these examples don't cover all possible cases.

Case Entered Reason
  • A novel ends completely on numbered page 245.
  • There are 2 more numbered pages containing acknowledgements.
  • Pages: 247
Use the last printed page number, no matter if you enter the acknowledgements as content or not.
  • A novel’s last numbered page is 244 but there’s 1 more unnumbered page containing the rest of the novel.
  • There’s 1 more unnumbered page containing short acknowledgements ("thanks").
  • Pages: 245
  • Add an explanatory note about the unnumbered last page
Count forward to the last page of text (which doesn't include the short acknowledgements) and use that as the page count.
  • A novel’s last numbered page is 244 but there’s 1 more unnumbered page containing the rest of the novel.
  • There are 2 more unnumbered pages containing an afterword.
  • Pages: 245+[2]
  • Add an explanatory note about the unnumbered last page
  • Enter the afterword as a title in the contents
Count forward to the last page of text and use that as the page count. The afterword is regarded as additional content ("+[2]").
  • A novel ends completely on numbered page 245.
  • There are 2 more unnumbered pages containing an afterword.
  • Pages: 245+[2]
  • Enter the afterword as a title in the contents

The afterword is regarded as additional content ("+[2]").

  • A novel ends completely on numbered page 245.
  • There are 2 more pages containing an afterword, the first one is numbered, the second one unnumbered.
  • Pages: 247
  • Add an explanatory note about the unnumbered last page
Count forward to the last page of text (which includes the afterword) and use that as the page count.