User talk:JLaTondre/Archive 2016

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Changing the type of a content

When you change the type of a content, it's best to edit the title record, and not try to change the type in a pub edit. For example, this edit and this edit. All of these titles showed up on a cleanup report. Mhhutchins|talk 08:47, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

Yes, found that out (as discussed at User talk:Ahasuerus#Length Changes), but it only applies to changing shortfiction. Other type changes can be done in pub edit without an issue. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:00, 17 January 2016 (UTC)


Can you explain why my submission was rejected? Your only comment was "Forced".--Auric 11:19, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

A forced reject means that the submission was not valid from a software perspective. The "Forced" comment is automatically created by the software. This usually occurs when a prior submission makes an edit that is not compatible with a subsequent edit (the one that is a forced reject). The message of "Error: This submission is no longer valid. Title 1968181 is no longer valid." indicates you tried to modify a title record that no longer exists. Without knowing what you were trying to achieve, I don't know the specifics of what happened in this case. However, if you are making multiple edits that impact a pub and it's contents separately, it is best to submit one, wait for it to be approved, and then submit another. Submissions are not necessarily approved in the same order they are submitted. Sorry for not dropping you a note explaining this. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:35, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Submission 2968071

Is there a reason why you changed the title of a publication and work to use roman numerals in submission: 2968071? You did not cite your source in the change and though I agree the cover uses roman numerals (for both the main series number as well as the sub series number) and I would rather rename the entire series to adhere to such a naming scheme, my source, the National Diet Library of Japan does not use such. Thank you. Uzume 02:08, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Pub trumps secondary source. Secondary sources often normalize numbers. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:09, 4 March 2016 (UTC)
Pub!? You have a copy of the pub? Please add your verification then. Uzume 22:11, 4 March 2016 (UTC)

Making a pseudonym / creating a variant

Re Henry J. Ford: When you make an author into a pseudonym, you must follow-through by varianting each of the titles by that author into titles crediting the canonical author. Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 08:04, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

I know that. Please see User_talk:Ofearna#Henry_J._Ford. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:41, 6 March 2016 (UTC)

Granny's Wonderful Chair, "The Story of Fairyfoot"

Recently I have worked on Granny's Wonderful Chair (1857) T374042. Minutes ago I submitted date 1857 for "The Story of Fairyfoot" T1377355, which carries 1856 in contrast to all others in the book. Then I canceled, seeing that you primary verified its publication in The Oxford Book of Modern Fairy Tales (1993) P309260. What does that anthology say about its publication?

This was my Note to Moderator: >> Lacking any note to support or explain origin of the anomalous date, I suppose that it was overlooked during a previous correction. Quoting the collection title: "Wikipedia claims a publication date of 1856. WorldCat says 1857. We accept WorldCat as authoritative." <<

--Pwendt|talk 23:16, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

I no longer have access to that book, but forgot to flip the verification from primary to transient. I have updated the record. As for the date, it was based on the TOC which can be seen via Amazon Look-Inside. The TOC lists the "original dates". Searching on-line, though, it seems pretty clear the first appearance was in Granny's Wonderful Chair and that is generally dated to 1857. The Oxford Book of Modern Fairy Tales is probably wrong. I have updated the record to be 1857 as it's the first known publication. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:42, 30 March 2016 (UTC)

The New Annotated Dracula

J, You are a primary verifier of The New Annotated Dracula.

At the Community Portal yesterday I reported some anomalies in our coverage of "The Annotated X" NOVEL publications and titles, ISFDB:Community Portal#The Annotated ... . See especially the focused follow-up, ISFDB:Moderator noticeboard#The Annotated X novels without distinct Title records, or without variant status. --Pwendt|talk 19:08, 12 April 2016 (UTC)


This and this appear on a clean-up report which finds CHAPBOOK-typed records without the required SHORTFICTION content. Mhhutchins|talk 06:53, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Another moderator has repaired them. Mhhutchins|talk 06:53, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Huh, when I imported the content ([1] & [2]), I somehow missed the shortfiction and only copied the interiorart. Thanks for letting me know. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:41, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Assassin's Quest

The verified copy of Assassin's Quest really has 774 pages as there is an excerpt of 'Ship of Magic' at the end. Also there is an uncredited 'Six Duchies' map after the title page. Would you like me to add these to the record? --AndyjMo 11:01, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Promotional excerpts are optional. I don't bother to record them, but if you wish to add it, feel free. However, the excerpt pages are unnumbered so the page number should be updated as "757+[17]". The map should be added. In both cases, they should be imported from this edition so that they same title records are used for new duplicates created. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:22, 2 August 2016 (UTC)
I hope I have updated the record as you recommended. --AndyjMo 09:02, 4 August 2016 (UTC)

Cover artist found

for this pub and changed. --Zapp 10:53, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Ninth annual edition of the Years best SF

Hi, why is the 1967 edition leading? see here.--Dirk P Broer 13:10, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

Because I did the opposite of what I intended to do. Fixed. Thanks for letting me know. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:15, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
You might have made the same mistake with #4 in this series.--Dirk P Broer 14:00, 29 October 2016 (UTC)
Nope. The two titles were published at the same time so there is not a first and the 'annual' version is the more common title across the series. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:03, 29 October 2016 (UTC)


Sorry for disturbing your indentation:( · I meant well- I thought it was a goof! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Chrisgherr (talkcontribs) .

No problem. Indent levels are used to represent which post is being responded to. Typically, a discussion will just build on the last post and the indent just keeps going. In this particular case, I was responding to your post and not to Rkihara's. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:42, 1 November 2016 (UTC)

The Cleopatra Crisis

I've added the source of the Cover Artist to The Cleopatra Crisis. --AndyjMo 13:21, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

The Hellfire Rebellion

Shouldn't the Author's Note for The Hellfire Rebellion start on page 188 and not 199?. --AndyjMo 14:31, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Yup, thanks for catching. Hauk has already made the change. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:22, 3 November 2016 (UTC)

Weather Eye covers

I asked Vasha77 about the Weather Eye variants I have on hold, and he pointed me to your previous rejection of a proposed merge. At the time that was done, there was no image for the hardcover (the one on the left). Looking at it now, it appears the windmills present on the paperback are part of the cover design overlaid on the painting, not part of the painting itself. Did you see something else? It's a little hard to tell because the Candlewick one seems to be lower resolution. What do you think? --MartyD 12:18, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Responded at User talk:Vasha77. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:56, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Submitting Info

Hi J, I'm not in a position to do detailed editing for ISFDB right now. Is there a way that I can submit a TOC which is missing, so that an experienced editor can enter it? JJ 07:47, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, you can post it here and I'll take a look. In future, you can use ISFDB:Community Portal. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:29, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks much!

Now We are Ten: Celebrating the First Ten Years of NewCon Press (978-1-910935-19-4, softcover)

  • 7 • Introduction by Ian Whates
  • 9 • The Final Path • short story by Genevieve Cogman
  • 19 • Women's Christmas • short story by Ian McDonald
  • 27 • Pyramid • short story by Nancy Kress
  • 33 • Liberty Bird • short story by Jaine Fenn
  • 53 • Zanzara Island • short story by Rachel Armstrong
  • 65 • Ten Sisters • short story by Eric Brown
  • 81 • Licorice • short story by Jack Skillingstead
  • 95 • How to Grow Silence From Seed • novelette by Tricia Sullivan
  • 117 • The Time Travellers' Ball (A Story in Ten Words) • short story by Rose Biggin
  • 119 • Dress Rehearsal • short story by Adrian Tchaikovsky
  • 137 • The Tenth Man • short story by Bryony Pearce
  • 156 • Rare as a Harpy's Tear • short story by Neil Williamson
  • 159 • Utopia +10 • short story by J.A. Christy
  • 171 • Ten Love Songs to Change the World • novelette by Peter F. Hamilton
  • 193 • Ten Days • novelette by Nina Allan
  • 235 • Front Row Seat to the End of the World • novelette by E.J. Swift
  • 259 • About the Authors
  • 263 • NewCon Press: The First Ten Years

Also, I have the book in hand right now, so if there's any additional data you'd like me to provide, just let me know.

JJ 04:57, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Entered. Since you have the book in hand, it would be appreciated if you double check the entry and verify it. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:10, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Done. Thank you much! JJ 23:46, 22 December 2016 (UTC)


I just entered the book reviews for the December issue of Asimov's and misspelled Lois McMaster Bujold's name. Will correct if approved. So embarrassed. MLB 01:30, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

No problem, happens to all of us. I approved the edit. Please make the fix. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:32, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Megapack (Wildside)

Answered your question here. MLB 02:31, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

Hieronymus Bosch covers

The reason I added identifying numbers to those covers is because there are two editions of the same book that use different Bosch paintings. If distinguishing them by numbers is not what I should be doing, what would you prefer? --Vasha 22:13, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

I was in the middle of typing a message on your page ;-). I was going to ask if that was what you were trying to do or if there was something else going on. Since that is what you are doing, I will reject the edits. We do not disambiguate cover art in this fashion. If a given cover artist has multiple artwork with the same title, they are left separate under their original names (same as we would treat two different stories by the same author with same name). Typically, a note is added to each stating that there are multiple images for the same publication title (ex: [3], [4]). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:18, 9 December 2016 (UTC)
Understood, thanks! --Vasha 22:24, 9 December 2016 (UTC)

Dark Mondays by Kage Baker

I got an email from Kathleen Bartholomew giving me permission to share "The Ruined Vacation" with people who own the other edition of Dark Mondays without this story since it was only available elsewhere on fictionwise, which is GONE. Let me know if you would like a copy. Susan O'Fearna 20:25, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

The World More Full of Weeping

What is the problem with The World More Full of Weeping? One of the editions of that chapbook has an extra short story that the others don't, so I'm unmerging it and making it into a COLLECTION. --Vasha 16:58, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Never mind! --Vasha 16:59, 27 December 2016 (UTC)
Unfortunately, it is not unknown for an existing record to be incorrect so I was attempting to verify that the hc truly had an extra story. That took some time. Had there been an actual problem, I would have posted on your talk page. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:01, 27 December 2016 (UTC)

Zac/Heather Brewer

Since Zac Brewer has changed his name as well as coming out as trans, and will be using only that name in future, and has changed all references to himself online as much as he could, I think we should make that the primary name. I will repost this on the Community Portal for discussion. --Vasha 23:13, 29 December 2016 (UTC)

That's reasonable. -- JLaTondre (talk) 02:41, 30 December 2016 (UTC)