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Hello, Evertype, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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Pimeduse parem käsi

I approved the book here.

A few notes:

  • The adding of the cover is always a second step - so wait for the book to be created and then you can cleanly upload the cover and then add the URL. I copied the one you supplied into its place and will shortly delete the original upload.
  • If Tiina Reinsalu is credited as the designer only, she does not get a coverart credit but only a note. Is she also credited as the illustrator?
  • The GR cover you linked to in the notes is very different from what you uploaded. Was there a second edition? We cannot link to GR directly - you can download their covers and upload them here though.
  • While I was around, I also connected it to the English original (always an extra step post-approval).

Thanks and let me know if you have any questions. If you cannot confirm that Reinsalu also has the art credit, I will be removing the coverart record in a few days. Annie (talk) 15:22, 7 February 2024 (EST)

Hello and thank you. This is more confusing than the Wikipedia. On the copyright page it says "Kaane kujundanud Tiina Reinsalu" which means 'The cover was designed by Tiina Reinsalu'. I also uploaded a cover for the Bulgarian LHD but it does not appear. I will try again. What is a "GR cover"? Thanks again. Evertype (talk) 08:46, 8 February 2024 (EST)
OK I tried to upload a picture file but it was already at LHD-bg_1980_cover_200KB.jpg so I could not add it to the record. Evertype (talk) 08:51, 8 February 2024 (EST)
GR cover is a Goodreads cover - as you were showing a Goodread record.
ISFDB is essentially 2 separate projects together - the data for the books are in the DB while the covers and the Talk pages are in the Wiki. Once you create a book, if you look at it, it has an "Upload cover" link on it. When you click on it, it will allow you to upload in the correct place with a title that is unique for that book. Not that you cannot put the cover in a different place like you did with this one but then it won't be backed up (for example).
Once uploaded, the wiki knows who the cover belongs to but the DB does not - so you still need to edit the record to add the URL.
Would you like to try the process here (I did a few changes to get the book up to standards - we use BGN for the currency symbol and we skip the ": A novel" in titles (which is what the ": роман" means)). I can also move the image for you if you prefer. Annie (talk) 10:50, 8 February 2024 (EST)
I am sorry, I tried this process and I got "Upload warning — A file with this name exists already, please check File:LHD-bg 1980 cover 200KB.jpg if you are not sure if you want to change it. — LHD-bg 1980 cover 200KB.jpg — The upload is an exact duplicate of the current version of File:LHD-bg 1980 cover 200KB.jpg." So I do not know what to do. Evertype (talk) 09:04, 9 February 2024 (EST)
One of the buttons allows you to upload anyway -- it is just the Wiki's way from stopping people to upload the file multiple times. If you had not uploaded the file beforehand, it would not have matched. Do you want me to upload it for you and connect it? Annie (talk) 10:24, 9 February 2024 (EST)
I clicked the one and only button that allows you to upload and because I had already uploaded that file with that file name it would not allow me to upload it again. So I do not know how to do it. Evertype (talk) 10:33, 9 February 2024 (EST)
And at the bottom of the page, once the warning is issued, it allows you to upload despite the warnings. I will upload it as soon as I am back on a proper computer. We can also just link it to its current place - but if ever have a disaster case, we may lose it. Annie (talk) 11:00, 9 February 2024 (EST)
All done. Here we go. I also cleaned up the old image :) Annie (talk) 11:02, 9 February 2024 (EST)

The Bulgarian Le Guin

We already have the work here - so I rejected the attempt to add it again. Let me know if you need any assistance (in case you had not looked at my page, Bulgarian happens to be my native language - and I also work across all the Eastern and Central European languages on the site). :) Annie (talk) 11:32, 8 February 2024 (EST)

Yes, I am the one who uploaded that record. I ALSO uploaded a book cover and I cannot link it to this and cannot upload another image. So what do we do? Evertype (talk) 08:14, 9 February 2024 (EST)
I think we are all sorted now. Add the book a second time was never going to achieve anything - even if it was approved, it would have been deleted at one point when the duplicate was found. If you are not sure how to proceed with something, you can ask at the Help Desk. Or in a conversation with anyone assisting you at the time of course. Let me know if there is anything else left to be done here - I think this one is now fully updated. Annie (talk) 11:08, 9 February 2024 (EST)

Currency codes

In my opinion it is a TERRIBLE idea to convert older currencies into the modern one. How could one use a currency converter with the wrong currency? Codes for former currencies exist for a reason. A Soviet ruble is not the same as a Russian ruble. Not at all. Evertype (talk) 09:04, 9 February 2024 (EST)

We don't use codes but a mix of symbols and codes (and I mixed up things here - we use Lev for Bulgarian - my brain mixed up another DB I am working on here). The list we support is here. If you use anything else, it will ping on a report and someone will need to fix it later. If you think that we should use different symbols for the 6 different eras of the Levs, please open a discussion on the Rules and Standard page and we can discuss it. But keeping different symbols makes it harder for users to add books so we tend to simplify things with currencies and the publication year tells people what era it is if they care about it. The price is there just for completeness - we are not a price DB after all. Annie (talk) 10:24, 9 February 2024 (EST)
Well, I can open a discussion on Rules and Standards. I understand that it's not a price DB, but there are four different levs, and they really do have different values. Actually I could not FIND the the Rules when I looked for them, like word counts for novel/novella/novelette and so on. Evertype (talk) 10:31, 9 February 2024 (EST)
There are more than 4 if you go all the way back to 1881. We can define different values per period if the community decides to but as they are all called Lev on the books, separating them is not trivial, especially for undated books. Feel free to post about it and see if you can get a consensus to change the rules. Currency's value changes even within the same period - the lev just before the 3 zeros got dropped in 1999 was still the same as the one in the early 1990s but its value was... not even close. So using that to compare to other currency values without an exact date is an exercise in frustration and way outside of the scope of our DB.
Word counts are defined here. You get there by the help button next to the length column in the contents of a book. The prices link I posted above is reached via the help button next to the Price field in the Editing of a publication. The R&S board is here. Let me know if I can assist further. Annie (talk) 10:57, 9 February 2024 (EST)

The Carrier Bag Theory of Fiction

Regarding this submission: To add a new publication to an existing title record, you can use the "Add Publication to This Title" in the left had side menu (under "Editing Tools"). I have added the 2019 publication which can be found here. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:05, 9 March 2024 (EST)

OK while I think I am a good Wikipedia editor a lot of this is very hard. I have a new case. The is a story by UKL "A die Musik" for which there is a note "First appeared in "The Western Humanities Review", Vol. XV, No. 3, Summer 1961." I have an actual offering from the WHR, and I want to add this. On the "An die Musik" entry there isn't "Add Publication to this Title" but there is "Add Variant to this Title" and this does not allow me to add the magazine or its publication data. So maybe I need to add the story as a new story, with its magazine data, and then link it to the existing ANMU entry? But under Editing tools there is only:
Add New Anthology
Add New Chapbook
Add New Collection
Add New Fanzine
Add New Magazine
Add New Nonfiction
Add New Novel
Add New Omnibus
Add Untitled Award
So how do I add a new story in a new magazine? Or a new story to an exiting magazine? Or add a magazine to an existing story? Thanks! Evertype (talk) 18:12, 6 May 2024 (EDT)

Nine Lives

Regarding this submission: Once you have uploaded a cover to the wiki, you need to click on the image (so you get just the image), copy that URL, and then edit the publication to add the URL to the publication. So for File:NNLVSDJMZB1992.jpg, you need to enter this URL, in the Image URL field of the book. I have updated this publication. Please let us know if you have questions on the explanation. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:04, 4 May 2024 (EDT)

I think that explanation will help. I have more of these so we shall soon see. Evertype (talk) 18:14, 6 May 2024 (EDT)

Note about The Farthest Shore

Hi. I don't understand your submission that is only a note to the moderator about the cover of that edition of The Farthest Shore. Do you think the cover image we have is incorrect? What would you like a moderator to do with this? Thanks. --MartyD (talk) 08:37, 12 May 2024 (EDT)