User talk:Willem H./Archive/02

Verifications

I think the following are your only Transients left: feel free to ask for other types. BLongley 22:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Prelude to Foundation corrected
The Grand Wheel corrected
If I Pay Thee Not in Gold ok

Enigma From Tantalus / The Repairmen of Cyclops

We seem to have verified this to death now. I'd like to see both covers at once rather than show one and link to the other, so I've uploaded this. Would you mind if I replaced the current image with that one? BLongley 18:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The first one I've seen with all primaries filled. Feel free to replace the image. Both covers at once is much better. Thanks Willem H. 19:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it is the first - we had 19 on four primaries as of last backup, but unless Bluesman (top verifier) has seen five since last week this may be the actual first. Of course, now I've discovered the downside - having to ask so many people about a potential change. :-( Still, I deliberately picked an odd number so if it came to a vote we might have a majority - "consensus" is unlikely with Scott not talking. We may need even more in future though, or to fix the whole verification system, which is a pretty big task. BLongley 19:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Hand of Kane

Was about to add a Currey note to [this], but he makes mistakes once in a while. Supposedly the copyright page says "October 1970" yet the record doesn't show a month? Does this pb really have NO number of any kind? That would be a first in my experience... ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Good catch. I must have missed that (had my mind already gone on vacation?). Submitted a change to October 1970.

Indeed, there is no number of any kind in this book. The early Centaur books had this, until someone discovered the SBN. Thanks, Willem H. 10:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Added a cover image to [Hour of the Dragon] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

That's the right one. Thanks, Willem H. 10:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Campbell contributions to The Hand of Kane

Are you certain that the versions printed in the Centaur Press editions (The Hand of Kane and Solomon Kane) are the same versions published in the editions published by Bantam (1978 and 1979) and Baen (1995)? In The Last Celt (1976), Glenn Lord doesn't mention that the three stories were completed by Campbell. He's usually pretty thorough about attributing posthumous contributions to Howard's work. The stories had been published first in Donald Grant's Red Shadows (1968) and in two volumes by Centaur (1970). Lord notes that "Hawk of Basti" and "The Children of Asshur" were unfinished and originally untitled, and that "The Castle of the Devil" was a fragment. If anyone had finished the story I think he would have noted it. My understanding is that Campbell finished the stories for the 1978/1979 Bantam editions, both of which have introductions by Campbell. If we could find a copy of those introductions we should be able to unravel the mystery. Either way, the Centaur editions only credit Howard. If we find out these were finished by Campbell, we can create a variant (by Howard and Campbell [as by Howard]). Thanks. MHHutchins 15:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Look at the page count discrepancy between the Centaur and Baen editions. "Castle of the Devil" went from 5 pages to 18. "Hawk of Basti" went from 12 to 24. "Children of Asshur" didn't change much: 33 to 34. MHHutchins 15:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I think you are right. The credits to Campbell were already there when I verified the publications, so I didn't look any further at the time. Locus1 is very clear about it though. The three stories were completed in 1976 by Ramsey Campbell, which means that the versions in the Centaur editions were the unfinished stories, found among Howards papers after his death, and should be credited to Howard alone. According to the online Howard bibliography the Bantam (1978 and 1979) and Baen (1995) editions have the completed stories. It was of course impossible tfor Glenn Lord to include this in The Last Celt. I can make the nessecary submissions (delete the stories and add new ones), but that will have to wait until tomorrow as I'm off to bed now. If you want to change them yourself, you have my blessing. I'll check back tomorrow. Strange that I missed this when I was checking these books. Must have been in a hurry right before my vacation. Thanks Willem H. 21:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Changes have been made. The only casualty is the page number for "The Children of Asshur" in the illustrated edition of The Hand of Kane. I forgot to record the number before I dropped the original record from the pub. Would you have a source for the page numbers? Thanks. MHHutchins 22:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't find a pagenumber anywhere. It should be around 123, considering the length of the stories. Maybe from an ISFDB backup? Thanks, Willem H. 10:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

The Tower of Zanid

User:Mjparker0 has submitted an edit to date The Tower of Zanid which you verified. He says that his copy has a stated publication date. It may be that he has a different printing from yours. Can you double check your copy? -DES ^Talk 17:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

He has also added a cover image, please check that it is correct for your verified copy. -DES ^Talk 17:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

The cover image is correct, but the date isn't. The book has a has a stated publication date, but that's the first Airmont printing. The only difference is the price. I think I'd rather keep 0000-00-00 as publication date for my copy. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 20:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Some Airmont editions have a printing date code on the last page of text. Does this one have one? MHHutchins 22:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

There's always something new to learn. Yes, the code is 5-73, I submitted the change (for some other Airmont books too). Thanks Willem H. 10:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC).

Added artist credit

I added cover credit for verified [1] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.Don Erikson 20:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Definitely Powers' style. Willem H. 09:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Added artist credit

I added cover credit for verified [2] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.Don Erikson 16:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Worms of the Earth and Fragment

Your verified pub, Worms of the Earth, currently lists a poem with the title "Fragment". I've been adding the contents to Bran Mak Morn (actually, a reprint of Worms of the Earth under a different title), and I think it is not actually the poem, but rather a short story which is also titled "Fragment". The story in Bran Mak Morn begins "A gray sky arched over the dreary waste" whereas the poem titled "Fragment" begins "And so his boyhood wandered into youth" (from Always Comes Evening). Could you verify that you have the story and not the poem. I'm trying to split the two works out. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 02:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Once you've determined which publications contain which piece, please make a note in each that the records not be merged to prevent someone undoing all the work. I'm sure that's how these two were conflated to begin with. Thanks. MHHutchins 03:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

On the Howard Works website, the Bran Mak Morn/Worms of the Earth piece is titled "Untitled ("A gray sky arched...")". Are the pieces in your copies of the book actually titled "Fragment"? MHHutchins 03:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The edits for the notes on the titles are already pending. The Dell pub uses the title "Fragement". Also Chalker and Owings list the title as "Fragment" for the Grant Worms of the Earth which I think is the first of that name. I'm pretty sure I've got them sorted. The only one that gave me pause was in this pub, but since it only takes up one page, I'll assume the poem is correct (it's much shorter than the story) ~Ron --Rtrace 03:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

According to Howard Works that publication was of the poem, so every thing appears to be straightened out. Sorry to be scratching around in your sandbox, Willem. MHHutchins 05:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

No harm done, I was in deep sleep. Good catch by the way. My pub has the short story (of course), so I submitted the neccesary changes. Thanks Willem H. 07:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The Compleat Enchanter

I added a cover image to your verified pub CMPLTENC1975. I also extended the title to include the subtitle "The Magical Misadventures of Harold Shea" and added a content item (and note) for the illustration on the inside covers. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 13:11, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The subtitle is on the title page, so thanks for the additions. Willem H. 13:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Enchanter

I added a cover image to your verified pub BKTG11974. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 02:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed as I went to do the verification, that this novel should be under "Robin W. Bailey" rather than "Robin Wayne Bailey". Let me know if you agree. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 04:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

You are right. it's "Robin W. Bailey" on the title page. I submitted the first changes to get the credits right. Thanks, Willem H. 08:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Authorship of The Amphibious Cavalry Gap in 100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories

In your verified 100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories, "The Amphibious Cavalry Gap" is credited to J. J. Tremblay and James E. Martin. Elsewhere we have it credited to just Martin. Apparently the credit is to "J. J. Tremblay as to told to James E. Martin" (some of the pubs on the dual-credit path have this info, as well as some of the pubs on the single-credit path). Is J. J. Tremblay a fictional character, and do you think the credit should be changed to just Martin, moving the J. J. Tremblay credit to the notes? Thanks. --MartyD 10:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

My pub has the same credits as Bill Longley. It's James E. Thompson alone in ToC and on copyright page, "J. J. Trembly as told to James E. Thompson" on title page. Trembly is the character telling the story (actually the "writer" of a report), and he's only in the credits because we're told to follow the title page. I don't think HAL3730 (the only other verifier) responds these days, so I'd say merge the titles and drop Trembly with my blessings. Thanks Willem H. 11:10, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. --MartyD 14:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Unmerging contents from publication records

I'm holding your submission which wants to unmerge "The Yearbook" from Out from Ganymede. Even though this is possible, there is a bug associated with "unmerging" contents from publication records: the pagination is lost, and on some occasions the content record is retitled the name of the publication. The better method is to use the "Remove Titles from This Pub" tool. I need to check to see if this bug has been worked on in the latest round of software updates. Thanks. MHHutchins 16:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought I submitted an unmerge of the variant from the parent title, so I could merge them again without the "The". If there's a bug, please feel free to reject this edit. I can then submit and add/remove. Thanks, Willem H. 18:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

You did submit an unmerge of the variant (you wanted to unmerge a shortfiction title record and a publication record), but, as I stated above, this generates the bug. I wish the "unmerge" function wasn't available on shortfiction title records, because this is where the bug happens. Unmerging pub records from non-shortfiction title records (containers) works fine. But unmerging pub records (containers) from shortfiction title records (which they contain) causes trouble. You get the same results (but no bug) by using the add/remove method. Two submissions, but no bugs. I'll reject the submission. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

That's ok. I won't do it again, and submit some new edits. Thanks Willem H. 19:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Eileen Kernaghan's Journey to Apriloth

Your submission was rejected because it didn't have a title record to unmerge from. From the next submission it looks like you want to break the variant so that Journey to Apriloth can be merged with this title record. Open the first title record then choose "Make this title a variant..." but replace the number in the parent record field with a zero ("0"). When that submission is accepted you can merge the two identically named title records. Thanks. MHHutchins 15:23, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I looks so easy, but I keep mixing up the options. Submission made. Thanks Willem H. 15:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

The way the break variant option is set up is not intuitive, nor very user friendly ("unmerge" would sound quite logical to the average editor). In fact, it's not really an option. One day an editor mistakenly entered a zero in the parent field and, "Eureka!", he'd discovered it broke the parent-variant relationship between the two records. MHHutchins 15:51, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Date on "No Place Like Earth" short story

In your verified No Place Like Earth, the pub date of the title story is given as 1949. Would you check that? As far as I can tell, I think it should be 1951 (I think it was first published in the Spring, 1951 New Worlds). Thanks. --MartyD 11:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The full copyright statement in No Place Like Earth is: 'Copyright 1951 by Avon Periodicals Inc., for 10-Story Fantasy Magazine (incorporating Time to Rest - copyright 1949 by August Derleth for The Arkham Sampler). Both first published in Great Britain in New Worlds.' That's where the 1949 date comes from, but I think you're right that it should be 1951. I can't compare No Place Like Earth with Time to Rest, but it looks like there should be a connection. Thanks, Willem H. 18:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. I think what I'll do is change the title date to 1951 and incorporate the text you provided in the notes for that title. If someone comes across "Time to Rest" and is thinking about a variant, at least the info will be there. --MartyD 23:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Day of the Klesh - added notation/contents

Morning! This. [3]. I added notation and a contents entry for interior art after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:57, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

"Stitching" cover images

What program are you using to 'stitch' two images together? That's the one thing I can't do with IPhoto and would dearly love to..... Good to see you uploading covers!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I use the simplest program I could think of, Microsoft Paint. I start wit a new file, edit the size to the combined scans and copy / paste them in from another program (in my case Irfanview). Paste is always on the left, so the first image must be dragged to the right. I use Irfanview (freeware) to resize the images. They made uploading so easy, I couldn't resist it anymore, my entries are far better this way. Still takes a lot of time though. Even when half my books already have a scan uploaded I will come to at least 3000 images for the english language books alone (when I'm finished I will probably start adding the dutch translations). Willem H. 10:28, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I have a MAC so will need to get something for it. So many doubles to put in twinned images.... ! Bill, --Bluesman 14:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hope you find a good program. I have no experience with MAC, so can't help you with this. For now I will not change excisting scans, unless they are inferior. Maybe we can make it into a project someday. I do like the possibility to see the separate images (600 pixels is only 600 pixels). To keep those available takes even more time. Well, someday... Willem H. 15:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Which reminds me, I stitched and uploaded a couple recently here and here but wasn't sure if they were good enough to use. BLongley 17:59, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I use a Mac, and I've been using the Canon Photostitch software (Mac & PC) that comes bundled with Canon Cameras. It started crashing after I upgraded to OS 10.6, but it works fine under older operating systems.--Rkihara 18:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I thought Mac's were supposed to be immune from crashes.--swfritter 19:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

That's pretty much the case, OS 10.x is rock solid. I was referring to the stitching program, which locks up, but the operating system and other programs are unaffected--Rkihara 07:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Had mine almost two years and it hasn't even 'paused', never mind crashed. Though it did succumb to a lightning strike.... ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Nah, they just have different "screens of death". I remember "Sad Mac" and "Bomb" displays from the late 1990s as being as common as "Blue Screen of Death" for Windows. All OSes suck, but I must admit I haven't seen a complete crash for several years now. Just complete lock-ups with no reason. Is that an improvement? BLongley 20:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Have yet to have any kind of 'lock-up'. Last one was courtesy of ANY Windows OS. :-) :-) I like Willem's idea of a group effort here. Getting great images in the right program's hands and producing decent "Doubles" images would be great. 99% of the online ones are just awful, most one can't even read the cover price/catalog # etc. which is really an important aspect for a bibliographic site. I've been uploading and separately linking the images for quite a few. It should be possible to take those and stitch them. Preferably high-resolution scans could be the source images and the composite ones made from there? I'm only too happy to provide such to anyone who can 'sew'!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Cabell's Domnei

I'm working on my copy of this publication and you have verified the only other pub for the title. The title page of my copy lists the title as "Domnei" over "The Music from Behind the Moon" over "Two Comedies of Woman Worship" and I'm intending to change the title of my pub. I wanted to ask if your edition lists the title similarly, and if I should therefore alter the Title (for both) or whether I should break them out so that one becomes a variant. If yours does have both titles on the page, I'd also value your opinion as to whether it should be "Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon: Two Comedies of Woman Worship" or "Domnei: The Music from Behind the Moon: Two Comedies of Woman Worship". I would lean towards the "/", but another Cabell Ballantine Adult Fantasy, The Cream of the Jest explicitly uses the ":" on the title page (It needs to be fixed too, and the record doesn't reflect it yet). I also intend to expand the titles of the Carter introduction ("About Domnei and James Branch Cabell: The Eternal Triangle") and the two stories (to include their subtitles from their constituent title pages). Let me know if I should make the changes so they apply to your copy as well, or whether I should be creating variants. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 03:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

My copy has the same titles as yours, so changes can be made to the Titles. Feel free to make the suggested edits. I.m.o. the "/" is better than the ":" as the subtitle has another ":". I should have done this myself of course. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 07:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Return to Tomorrow

What does "Statre" mean here? BLongley 20:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I haven't the foggiest notion, so I changed it to "Stated". Makes more sense I think. Sometimes my eyes can't follow what my hands are doing, so I made it a habit to always read what I just wrote. This one must have slipped through. Thanks for noticing, Willem H. 20:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Replacing images

I've noticed you're upgrading some of the images that are already in the database. Great! Perhaps you didn't know that you can save an extra submission by replacing the current image instead of adding a new image. That way you don't have to edit the pub to change the image URL. The URL remains the same if you replace the image. MHHutchins 19:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm very careful with this. Some of the images are linked to more than one publication (if they're almost the same), so I always check if the URL for the image is the same as for the pub. I did replace a number of scans, but also came across things like this. Willem H. 20:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

If you're using the tag of the record that belongs to the pub in hand (and you've done a primary verification of the pub record), I don't think there would be a problem. You really can't control if this same image has been linked to another pub record. If the covers are almost the same now, they'll be almost the same after you've updated the pub. It's the responsibility of the uploader to see that the image matches his pub. You can't be responsible if another person chooses to link a pub record to an image that's "almost the same". Just thought I'd save you from having to do an extra step and a moderator from having to approve an extra submission. No big deal. MHHutchins 21:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

You are right of course. What I'm careful about is when it's the other way around (my pub is linked to the cover image of another pub). Thanks Willem H. 11:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Holly's The Running Man

Based on the cover image, it appears that this pub should be credited to "J. Hunter Holly". If the title page gives the author as "Joan Hunter Holly" then the record's OK. If not, it should be moved. Are you familiar with the unmerge function and how to place this under the correct title record? If not, I can help you. MHHutchins 19:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Sharp. Yes, the title page has the same credit as the cover, so it should be moved. If I'm correct, the relation between the titles must normally be broken by the "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" option with a 0 for the parent record, and then merged with the correct title. However, since "Joan Hunter Holly" is the canonical name of the author, I suppose this one is different. So yes, help would be appreciated. Willem H. 19:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The method you speak of is used to break a variant relationship. That's a different situation. Here you want to unmerge a pub from its title record and then merge it with the variant title record.

1. Go to the pub record and correct the author field to the credited author's name. Submit.
2. Go to the title record and choose "Unmerge Titles" from the Editing Tools menu.
3. You'll see two pubs listed. You should check the box of the pub you wish to unmerge. Submit.

Once these two submissions have been approved, I'll give you the next steps. MHHutchins 20:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I knew it would be different. First submissions are made. Willem H. 20:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

A new title record (1047425) has been created for the pub (the system automatically does this when a pub is unmerged from its title record - every pub must have a title record.) Now go to the summary page for J. Hunter Holly and choose "Show All Titles" function. This will list all her titles. You will then check the two boxes for The Running Man which will merge the newly created title record with the existing title record (a variant for the same title.) Then submit. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The last step was logical. Thanks for the lesson. Willem H. 20:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Minor additon to he Dark Intruder & Other Stories / Falcons of Narabedla

Added note stating that the introductions are signed M.Z.B.--swfritter 15:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Cloak of Aesir

Shouldn't the stories in this pub be credited to John W. Campbell rather than John W. Campbell, Jr.? Unfortunately, that means the stories will have to entered as by Campbell and then made variants. The existing stories will then need to be removed since the current stories are merged with stories credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. Let me know and I will do the work.--swfritter 15:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I left the stories as they were, because John W. Campbell, Jr. is on the copyright page. The title page has John W. Campbell, so according to the Rules I think they must be credited that way. If you do so, I think the introduction must remain credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. (it is signed that way), and probably the first Lancer edition should be changed too. Thanks Willem H. 16:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I like your logic. For now I will use the copyright attribution and make a note indicating that is the basis for assigning Jr. as the author.--swfritter 20:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Queen of Sorcery

You may want to clean up the artist on Queen of Sorcery. BLongley 13:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Wrong field. Submitted a correction. Thanks Willem H. 13:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

The Undefeated

I don't know how we ended up with two title records for the coverart, but your edits didn't fix it. I changed one of the COVERART title records to ESSAY, then removed that from the publication, then deleted the stray ESSAY. Which I think has fixed it, but please check it. BLongley 20:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and if you have any idea how this occurred in the first place, please let us know - this is obviously not a clear situation with a clear clean-up. BLongley 20:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that after this discussion Dragoondelight and I both entered a submission to change Bob Pepper to John Berkey, and both were approved. Does this mean that deleting a cover credit doesn't work in general, or only in this (special) case? Willem H. 08:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

It usually works. I've not been able to recreate the problem on the live server, but I only use one account there so maybe different users submitting the same change do cause the problem. I'll have a try on my offline copy at some point, but that's currently a fresh download - good for querying, but not setup with multiple accounts for testing purposes etc. I will semi-automate the conversion at some point, but I'm back at work now and haven't got a lot of time for ISFDB testing, let alone development. If you do find out anything more, feel free to bring it up more generally - we have had bursts of programmer activity, although I think most other developers are finding time short at present too. BLongley 19:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The Green Brain

This page identifies your cover artist as Dean Ellis. Safe enough reference to use? BLongley 17:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Good catch! I found a Czech Frank Herbert site here, that also credits Dean Ellis (it's so much easier to search when you know the answer). Submitted the change, and a note leading to Noreascon 4. Thanks, Willem H. 18:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Allies of THE Antares?

The pub you just updated seems to have a longer title than the cover shows, is that right? If so it should probably have a variant with a note about the title page not matching the cover. BLongley 19:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Missed that one. I only updated the coverscan. Submitted a change (Allies of Antares in stead of Allies of the Antares) and notified Dragoondelight. Thanks, Willem H. 07:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Out of My Mind - changed Singleminded to Single-Minded

Afternoon! This. [4]. I changed Singleminded to read Single-Minded as per my copy. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Sharp. I deleted the old story from our pub, and made the new one a variant. Thanks, Willem H. 11:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, greatly. As you know I am weak on follow-up. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Rediscovery: A Darkover Novel changed to Rediscovery: A Novel of Darkover

Afternoon! This. [5]. I changed it as above to reflect the title on title page, page opposite title page, front cover and spine. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice catch. Must have missed this. Thanks, Willem H. 07:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually I believe it is a trick between the eye and brain. Fans of Darkover see things dozens of times and when you see it slightly different the brain corrects it for you. What I mean is the mind uses equivalents and thus there is no real difference from it's point of view. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

You could be right. I tend to accept things that someone else has verified, and don't look too sharp for mistakes. Anyway, since my eye operation (loose retina) the connection between my eyes and brain is a bit wobbly at best. Cheers, Willem H. 14:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

My eye lens replacement was 30 September and the world has color again. Technically in any real light I was blind in the right eye. Great operation, 15 minutes, and results. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Upgrade Scans of Verified Books/Images

Morning Again! I just realized that you are using a lot time typing to me about replacing scans with greater quality than I used. As long as you have no doubts about the images, you do not have to do so or if you insist you can do it with a drop title like "Cover scans 24 october" and just the new scan. Of course the extended version works well if you think there is a question, but I find your work very thorough and would like you to be able to cut down on 'waste' time. Also, I think you work superb, so a Million Thanks for all scans/changes. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC) P.S. I always look at them, and enjoy the better quality, but it is a chore to so notify me. It is NOT a chore to look at your work, though! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

It's no big deal to do it this way. I just use a standard text (copy it from a Word document), and copy/paste in the links that are already open in my browser. I do it this way so you don't have to wait until my edits are approved to review the changes. The "Cover scans 24 october" suggestion would work for me (saves you some archiving too), I'll start with that the next time I upload scans. Thanks, Willem H. 15:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Just trying to level the possible strain. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad to see you working together this way! Both of you, carry on the good work! (Scans, edits, spotting slight mistakes, all good!) BLongley 23:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Marion Zimmer Bradley's Lythande

You verified the publication Lythande. Currently this collection, and the story "The Gratitude of Kings" are listed as being part of the series Thieves' World. But only the first story is really part of the Thieves' World series. I would like to leave the first story ("The Secret of the Blue Star") in the Thieves' World series series, but move the others to a new series "Lythande". What do you think? -DES ^Talk 02:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that's a tricky one. According to Bradley's introductions in Lythande, the character was created as being part of the Thieve's World universe, but later Bradley withdrew from this shared world. One of the later Lythande stories (Wandering Lute) was an attempt to place her in another world (Ithkar). Also, several Thieve's World stories by other authors feature Lythande. Vonda McIntyre's Thieve's World story Looking for Satan was even added to Bradley's collection. If you want to create a new series for Lythande, please do so. I would personally make it a subseries of Thieve's World, but that's your choice. When you're at it, you should also add the two later Lythande stories (Bitch and The Walker Behind) to the new series. You have my blessing, Willem H. 13:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Ps, I don't know or own "The Gratitude of Kings", so I have no idea if it's a regular Thieve's world story or a Lythande one. Willem H. 13:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I see your point about a sub-series. I haven't read "The Gratitude of Kings" either: the amazon reviews indicate that it is a Lythande story. It could also be a Thieves' World story, but I doubt it. Thanks for the pointers to other Lythande stories. -DES ^Talk 14:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a funny thing about Ithkar, Lackey's "Free Bards" series started as an Ithkar story, and Ithkar fair was reworked to Kingsford Faire when she expanded it to the first novel in the series. -DES ^Talk 14:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a conspiration to make our work harder. Willem H. 14:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Secret of the Black Planet actually a fix-up

Wouldn't this more properly be consider a fix-up novel? Perhaps one day we will have the capacity to document the stories upon which fix-up novels are based in some place other than the notes. Other sources, such as Contento (the title is conspicuous by its absence) do not classify this as a collection.--swfritter 14:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. Clute/Nichols seem to think it was a fix-up novel, but in my copy of the book there is no indication of any rewriting of the stories. On the copyright page they are treated as separate titles, and there is a clear separation between the stories. Unfortunately I can't compare with the original stories, but as far as I can see it's just a collection. I had notified Bluesman here of course. Perhaps it can wait for his response? Thanks, Willem H. 15:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

ps, Reginald1 does list this as a collection. Willem H. 15:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Approved. Titles merged. The copy I own does not make the distinction. If we had support for fix-up novels that would have definitely be the way to go. Please enter as much supporting data as you possibly can in the title page of the collection so that someone does not come along and change it back to a novel.--swfritter 16:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

A closer look shows that each story has a title page, as in your case, so indeed collection is the correct nomenclature. The publisher was trying to make it look like a pure novel by not having a table of contents or identifying the stories on they copyright page. I think a note similar to the one I placed in my pub is adequate. Oh, and I grabbed my copies from Amazing and the stories appear to be pretty much identical with the mag appearances. Darn, now I have to move this from my novel shelf to my collection shelf.--swfritter 16:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Bluesman agreed to the change. I copied the note from your pub to mine. All publications of the stories & collection are verified, that should keep anyone from changig it back to a novel. Willem H. 19:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Again, Dangerous Visions

this pub. Added page numbers. Added a single reference to Emshwiller as interior artist. Changed co-author of "Getting Along" to Judith Ann Lawrence.--swfritter 16:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I had been thinking about adding Ellison's introductions, but put the book aside at the time. Someday I'll start seriously with the anthologies. Willem H. 17:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I considered documenting the intros too and also for Dangerous Visions. They are very substantial. I kept the page numbers as they are in the TOC - which is the page where the intros are. Adding intros would also require changing the page numbers of the stories. And a really enterprising person could also add the Emshwiller art for each story. Incremental perfection. I must have gotten my copy used. I have a hard time believing I could have afforded a $12.50 book at the time this came out.--swfritter 20:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Micahel vs Michael / Ayesha: The Return of She

Afternoon! This. [6]. Would you check the artist spelling, yours is the only "Micahel". I figure it is a finger slip, but only you know. How goes it? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Shows how careful I should be with the hand/eye coordination. Thanks for spotting this. I didn't even notice it when uploading the cover scan. Submitted the neccesary changes.

Except for low energy levels, flu and starting work again (12 hours a week now) things go well. Progress is slow, but it's there. Willem H. 07:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Happens to everyone, not a big deal. I do it continually, apparently my fingers like to put third letter before second letter.

I hear that Dutch chocolate is the sovereign cure for energy levels. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

The Case of Charles Dexter Ward

Perhaps you meant to record the date of this second printing of this title to 1969? MHHutchins 22:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Every now and then one slips through. Correction submitted. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 07:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Map of Compact Space

I would like to merge several title records which I believe refer to the same piece of interior art, entitled "Map of Compact Space", that is included in some of C. J. Cherryh's Chanur novels. You are one of the verifiers whose pub records (this, this and this) would be affected by the change. Before making the merge I need to make sure that all titles refer to the same piece of art. A scan of the map can be found here (link points to my personal website; once the issue has been resolved I will remove the scan so that no copyright is violated). Unless you think my proposal is a bad idea in the first place, could you please verify whether the scan matches the map you have in your publication? You may wish to read the help desk discussion leading up to this request. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

All of them are identical to your scan, so merge 'em all!! The map is also in Chanur's Legacy. I added it, so there's one more to merge. Thanks, Willem H. 20:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

The Sleep Eaters

Your later edition definitely has "John" on the back cover? Checked mine (the earlier edition) and it has "Jack". Just double-checking before approving! Thanks. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. It's clearly a publishers mistake, thus a new pseudonym for Jack. Thanks, Willem H. 22:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, will approve both edits for this. Thanks!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The Mind of Mr. Soames

You removed the note "Month of publication from Locus #205 (October 1977)." from this pub. Can I assume that the month of publication is stated in the pub? Thanks. MHHutchins 22:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I removed the note. Thanks, Willem H. 08:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Just wanted to make sure. I've seen submissions that overwrite the note field, assuming the previous info is retained. Thanks again. MHHutchins 14:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. After my first rejections I have become a bit more careful, but every now and then a blooper slips through. Well, it keeps you sharp. :-) Willem H. 16:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Under the Dome - How are your wrists holding out?

Kinda heavy book. Finished it yet?--swfritter 15:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It arrived today. Not even halfway yet. Willem H. 16:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I am going to get the audiobook version from audible.com. Thirty-five hours. I usually listen to audiobooks on my hikes/walks. If I am going to finish it in a reasonable amount of time I am going to be exhausted.--swfritter 16:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I suspect Amazon got these dimensions wrong, otherwise this cube of a tome probably beats it weight-wise:

BLongley 15:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It should. They don't (dare) mention the weight of the book. My mailperson did look a bit exhausted when he delivered this one, and last years book was worse (ok, no SF but fun anyway). Willem H. 16:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon

The introducyion of I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon has a date 1987, but the introduction is also present in first edition, thus, 1985.--ErnestoVeg 15:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Well spotted. I submitted a correction. Thanks, Willem H. 16:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands

See this discussion. Any light you can shed on the topic would be helpful. Thanks. --MartyD 02:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Responded on your talk page. Willem H. 12:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Andromeda Gun

The cover for [this] sure looks like Paul Lehr's work. No sign of a signature? I ask because I just uploaded the hardcover image and it's the same. Ready to dive into the McCaffrey quagmire yet?? ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:35, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Good spot! I added the credit to both pubs and your uploaded image, plus notes. This is a valuable source of information, if you have an idea about the artist. Paul Lehr was suspected to be the artist before, but never confirmed. I noticed Kraang of the change. Thanks, Willem H. 07:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

McCaffery submissions

For your convenience these are the bookmarks for the pubs that need to have content in order to complete your conversion task: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23629, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226993, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226997, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37274, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?236989 . --swfritter 15:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Finder cover

If you think the cover for Finder is different, maybe you should remove the artist credit? It may be an accidental left-over from a clone operation. BLongley 21:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

You're right. I should have done that when verifying the pub. Submitted the removal. Thanks, Willem H. 22:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem, approved. BLongley 22:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Reefs of Earth

Likely source of the month for [this] is Amazon.UK, probably added by me and missed the note. That's where the current image came from [here] ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I submitted a correction. Willem H. 20:11, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Earthblood

I think you might have an SFBC edition of [this]. Is the jacket clipped on the top of the inside front flap, the bottom or both? Some sellers do the latter to sell an edition as a trade when it's not. The Gutter code you cite is from the first SFBC printing. Both Amazons have Jan '66 for the first edition (though I don't really trust that explicitly) and that would fit better than the SFBC and trade editions being published close together. Not common practice in the '60s, unlike today when they issue simultaneously. I've held the submission for the moment. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Well... you cought me. The jacket is clipped on the bottom, so I should have known. Do reject my edit, I'll verify the SFBC edition. Cover artist is still Wendy Worth though. Thanks for correcting me. Willem H. 22:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem! Biggest clue was the no edition statement. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

How Erg the Self-Inducting Slew a Paleface How Erg the Self-inducing Slew a Paleface

Is one of the above a typo? Variant? ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:09, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is. My pub has it wrong. Inducting is on the contents- and titlepage. Sharp! Willem H. 17:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

And on only two hours sleep! I'm not sure if there is a "convention" as to how the second half of a hyphenated word gets treated, always lower-case or always upper??? I'll approve the edit and you can fix the titles. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it may be easier to fix them first. I'll reject the edit and then you can merge after fixing. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

This one is actually covered in Help:Screen:NewPub: "Hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized." Ahasuerus 17:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I was about to ask the helpdesk, but there's no need to do that now. I'll just submit a new merge. Thanks, Willem H. 17:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hunters of the Red Moon

DES has been MIA for the last month and I would like to process his submissions to clear the queue. One of his pending submissions aims to modify your verified 3rd printing of Hunters of the Red Moon by adding the following comment:

Carries a back cover ad for The Shattered Chain #UW1229, $1.50, which was published Apr 1976, and reprinted with a higher price soon after: this suggests a pub date in 1976 or at latest 1977. Bar credited on copyright page. Interior art not credited in print, but clearly signed G Barr. No DAW Book Collectors Number. 451-UY1230-125 on spine.

adding 5 as the page number for the novel and an interior art Title for George Barr on page [2]. Could you please check your copy to see if it matches his proposed changes? TIA! Ahasuerus 22:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

DES's edit is correct, and well thought through. Any idea what happened? Willem H. 16:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I am afraid I don't know what happened to DES. At one point he disappeared for a number (6-8) of months and then came back, so I hope it's a similar hiatus. The last time he said that he would try to give notice if he disappeared again, but you never know what may happen. IN any case, I will approve his submission, thanks! Ahasuerus 04:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Cover for Seven Steps to Midnight

I approved your submission and found this image for it. I know you're a cover-scanner kinda guy, but I can't bear to see those coverless entries.... --MartyD 14:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

There's always some time between verification and scanning. I appreciate the effort, but will replace the image with my own scan in the coming week(s). Willem H. 14:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, I assumed you would! --MartyD 15:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Perseus Spur

Approved [this] but we now have a Publisher named "BCA by arrangement with Voyager". BCA can stay, possibly with / Voyager or that portion as a note? ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

We already had the publisher "BCA by arrangement with Voyager" (7 publications now). I chose this from the existing variants of the Book Club (and it's stated like this on the copyright page). We have BCA by arrangement with a lot of other publishers too. BCA/Voyager would have created a new publisher. I believe there's been another discussion on this subject, but can't find it now. I think it's best left this way, until a majority decides to merge all BCA variants. Willem H. 20:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, just the first one I had seen. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Cover artist for Small-Minded Giants

Hi. I approved your submission of Small-Minded Giants. The help is silent on the matter, but I don't think you should record a website or company as a cover artist. In my opinion, authors, editors, and artists should be people. I would record the company in the notes and leave the artist blank unless we know which person at the company did the artwork. You may want to bring this up in the Rules and standards discussions if you don't agree with that thinking. (I did not change what you submitted). Thanks. --MartyD 11:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It had been done before, with www.blacksheep-uk.com and www.chopppingblock.com, so I saw no harm in adding this website. I agree that it should be discussed though. I'll start the rules and standards discussion. Thanks, Willem H. 12:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I gave a comment, probably confusing, but what can you do but list it there or notes? At least it gives someone a place to start. Hate doing it personally. I have been trying to ignore it, but the problem seems to be growing. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)