User talk:Willem H./Archive/02

Verifications

I think the following are your only Transients left: feel free to ask for other types. BLongley 22:48, 5 September 2009 (UTC)

Prelude to Foundation corrected
The Grand Wheel corrected
If I Pay Thee Not in Gold ok

Enigma From Tantalus / The Repairmen of Cyclops

We seem to have verified this to death now. I'd like to see both covers at once rather than show one and link to the other, so I've uploaded this. Would you mind if I replaced the current image with that one? BLongley 18:49, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

The first one I've seen with all primaries filled. Feel free to replace the image. Both covers at once is much better. Thanks Willem H. 19:31, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

I think it is the first - we had 19 on four primaries as of last backup, but unless Bluesman (top verifier) has seen five since last week this may be the actual first. Of course, now I've discovered the downside - having to ask so many people about a potential change. :-( Still, I deliberately picked an odd number so if it came to a vote we might have a majority - "consensus" is unlikely with Scott not talking. We may need even more in future though, or to fix the whole verification system, which is a pretty big task. BLongley 19:46, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

Hand of Kane

Was about to add a Currey note to [this], but he makes mistakes once in a while. Supposedly the copyright page says "October 1970" yet the record doesn't show a month? Does this pb really have NO number of any kind? That would be a first in my experience... ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:24, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Good catch. I must have missed that (had my mind already gone on vacation?). Submitted a change to October 1970.

Indeed, there is no number of any kind in this book. The early Centaur books had this, until someone discovered the SBN. Thanks, Willem H. 10:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Added a cover image to [Hour of the Dragon] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:56, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

That's the right one. Thanks, Willem H. 10:22, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Campbell contributions to The Hand of Kane

Are you certain that the versions printed in the Centaur Press editions (The Hand of Kane and Solomon Kane) are the same versions published in the editions published by Bantam (1978 and 1979) and Baen (1995)? In The Last Celt (1976), Glenn Lord doesn't mention that the three stories were completed by Campbell. He's usually pretty thorough about attributing posthumous contributions to Howard's work. The stories had been published first in Donald Grant's Red Shadows (1968) and in two volumes by Centaur (1970). Lord notes that "Hawk of Basti" and "The Children of Asshur" were unfinished and originally untitled, and that "The Castle of the Devil" was a fragment. If anyone had finished the story I think he would have noted it. My understanding is that Campbell finished the stories for the 1978/1979 Bantam editions, both of which have introductions by Campbell. If we could find a copy of those introductions we should be able to unravel the mystery. Either way, the Centaur editions only credit Howard. If we find out these were finished by Campbell, we can create a variant (by Howard and Campbell [as by Howard]). Thanks. MHHutchins 15:45, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Look at the page count discrepancy between the Centaur and Baen editions. "Castle of the Devil" went from 5 pages to 18. "Hawk of Basti" went from 12 to 24. "Children of Asshur" didn't change much: 33 to 34. MHHutchins 15:53, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I think you are right. The credits to Campbell were already there when I verified the publications, so I didn't look any further at the time. Locus1 is very clear about it though. The three stories were completed in 1976 by Ramsey Campbell, which means that the versions in the Centaur editions were the unfinished stories, found among Howards papers after his death, and should be credited to Howard alone. According to the online Howard bibliography the Bantam (1978 and 1979) and Baen (1995) editions have the completed stories. It was of course impossible tfor Glenn Lord to include this in The Last Celt. I can make the nessecary submissions (delete the stories and add new ones), but that will have to wait until tomorrow as I'm off to bed now. If you want to change them yourself, you have my blessing. I'll check back tomorrow. Strange that I missed this when I was checking these books. Must have been in a hurry right before my vacation. Thanks Willem H. 21:17, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Changes have been made. The only casualty is the page number for "The Children of Asshur" in the illustrated edition of The Hand of Kane. I forgot to record the number before I dropped the original record from the pub. Would you have a source for the page numbers? Thanks. MHHutchins 22:39, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

I couldn't find a pagenumber anywhere. It should be around 123, considering the length of the stories. Maybe from an ISFDB backup? Thanks, Willem H. 10:39, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

The Tower of Zanid

User:Mjparker0 has submitted an edit to date The Tower of Zanid which you verified. He says that his copy has a stated publication date. It may be that he has a different printing from yours. Can you double check your copy? -DES ^Talk 17:10, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

He has also added a cover image, please check that it is correct for your verified copy. -DES ^Talk 17:20, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

The cover image is correct, but the date isn't. The book has a has a stated publication date, but that's the first Airmont printing. The only difference is the price. I think I'd rather keep 0000-00-00 as publication date for my copy. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 20:48, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Some Airmont editions have a printing date code on the last page of text. Does this one have one? MHHutchins 22:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

There's always something new to learn. Yes, the code is 5-73, I submitted the change (for some other Airmont books too). Thanks Willem H. 10:22, 12 September 2009 (UTC).

Added artist credit

I added cover credit for verified [1] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.Don Erikson 20:46, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Definitely Powers' style. Willem H. 09:01, 13 September 2009 (UTC)

Added artist credit

I added cover credit for verified [2] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.Don Erikson 16:12, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Worms of the Earth and Fragment

Your verified pub, Worms of the Earth, currently lists a poem with the title "Fragment". I've been adding the contents to Bran Mak Morn (actually, a reprint of Worms of the Earth under a different title), and I think it is not actually the poem, but rather a short story which is also titled "Fragment". The story in Bran Mak Morn begins "A gray sky arched over the dreary waste" whereas the poem titled "Fragment" begins "And so his boyhood wandered into youth" (from Always Comes Evening). Could you verify that you have the story and not the poem. I'm trying to split the two works out. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 02:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Once you've determined which publications contain which piece, please make a note in each that the records not be merged to prevent someone undoing all the work. I'm sure that's how these two were conflated to begin with. Thanks. MHHutchins 03:10, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

On the Howard Works website, the Bran Mak Morn/Worms of the Earth piece is titled "Untitled ("A gray sky arched...")". Are the pieces in your copies of the book actually titled "Fragment"? MHHutchins 03:17, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The edits for the notes on the titles are already pending. The Dell pub uses the title "Fragement". Also Chalker and Owings list the title as "Fragment" for the Grant Worms of the Earth which I think is the first of that name. I'm pretty sure I've got them sorted. The only one that gave me pause was in this pub, but since it only takes up one page, I'll assume the poem is correct (it's much shorter than the story) ~Ron --Rtrace 03:28, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

According to Howard Works that publication was of the poem, so every thing appears to be straightened out. Sorry to be scratching around in your sandbox, Willem. MHHutchins 05:01, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

No harm done, I was in deep sleep. Good catch by the way. My pub has the short story (of course), so I submitted the neccesary changes. Thanks Willem H. 07:51, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The Compleat Enchanter

I added a cover image to your verified pub CMPLTENC1975. I also extended the title to include the subtitle "The Magical Misadventures of Harold Shea" and added a content item (and note) for the illustration on the inside covers. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 13:11, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

The subtitle is on the title page, so thanks for the additions. Willem H. 13:57, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Enchanter

I added a cover image to your verified pub BKTG11974. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 02:34, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

I just noticed as I went to do the verification, that this novel should be under "Robin W. Bailey" rather than "Robin Wayne Bailey". Let me know if you agree. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 04:12, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

You are right. it's "Robin W. Bailey" on the title page. I submitted the first changes to get the credits right. Thanks, Willem H. 08:10, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Authorship of The Amphibious Cavalry Gap in 100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories

In your verified 100 Great Science Fiction Short Short Stories, "The Amphibious Cavalry Gap" is credited to J. J. Tremblay and James E. Martin. Elsewhere we have it credited to just Martin. Apparently the credit is to "J. J. Tremblay as to told to James E. Martin" (some of the pubs on the dual-credit path have this info, as well as some of the pubs on the single-credit path). Is J. J. Tremblay a fictional character, and do you think the credit should be changed to just Martin, moving the J. J. Tremblay credit to the notes? Thanks. --MartyD 10:21, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

My pub has the same credits as Bill Longley. It's James E. Thompson alone in ToC and on copyright page, "J. J. Trembly as told to James E. Thompson" on title page. Trembly is the character telling the story (actually the "writer" of a report), and he's only in the credits because we're told to follow the title page. I don't think HAL3730 (the only other verifier) responds these days, so I'd say merge the titles and drop Trembly with my blessings. Thanks Willem H. 11:10, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, will do. --MartyD 14:54, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

Unmerging contents from publication records

I'm holding your submission which wants to unmerge "The Yearbook" from Out from Ganymede. Even though this is possible, there is a bug associated with "unmerging" contents from publication records: the pagination is lost, and on some occasions the content record is retitled the name of the publication. The better method is to use the "Remove Titles from This Pub" tool. I need to check to see if this bug has been worked on in the latest round of software updates. Thanks. MHHutchins 16:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I thought I submitted an unmerge of the variant from the parent title, so I could merge them again without the "The". If there's a bug, please feel free to reject this edit. I can then submit and add/remove. Thanks, Willem H. 18:02, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

You did submit an unmerge of the variant (you wanted to unmerge a shortfiction title record and a publication record), but, as I stated above, this generates the bug. I wish the "unmerge" function wasn't available on shortfiction title records, because this is where the bug happens. Unmerging pub records from non-shortfiction title records (containers) works fine. But unmerging pub records (containers) from shortfiction title records (which they contain) causes trouble. You get the same results (but no bug) by using the add/remove method. Two submissions, but no bugs. I'll reject the submission. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:41, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

That's ok. I won't do it again, and submit some new edits. Thanks Willem H. 19:50, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Eileen Kernaghan's Journey to Apriloth

Your submission was rejected because it didn't have a title record to unmerge from. From the next submission it looks like you want to break the variant so that Journey to Apriloth can be merged with this title record. Open the first title record then choose "Make this title a variant..." but replace the number in the parent record field with a zero ("0"). When that submission is accepted you can merge the two identically named title records. Thanks. MHHutchins 15:23, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

I looks so easy, but I keep mixing up the options. Submission made. Thanks Willem H. 15:43, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

The way the break variant option is set up is not intuitive, nor very user friendly ("unmerge" would sound quite logical to the average editor). In fact, it's not really an option. One day an editor mistakenly entered a zero in the parent field and, "Eureka!", he'd discovered it broke the parent-variant relationship between the two records. MHHutchins 15:51, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

Date on "No Place Like Earth" short story

In your verified No Place Like Earth, the pub date of the title story is given as 1949. Would you check that? As far as I can tell, I think it should be 1951 (I think it was first published in the Spring, 1951 New Worlds). Thanks. --MartyD 11:35, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The full copyright statement in No Place Like Earth is: 'Copyright 1951 by Avon Periodicals Inc., for 10-Story Fantasy Magazine (incorporating Time to Rest - copyright 1949 by August Derleth for The Arkham Sampler). Both first published in Great Britain in New Worlds.' That's where the 1949 date comes from, but I think you're right that it should be 1951. I can't compare No Place Like Earth with Time to Rest, but it looks like there should be a connection. Thanks, Willem H. 18:30, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for checking. I think what I'll do is change the title date to 1951 and incorporate the text you provided in the notes for that title. If someone comes across "Time to Rest" and is thinking about a variant, at least the info will be there. --MartyD 23:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Day of the Klesh - added notation/contents

Morning! This. [3]. I added notation and a contents entry for interior art after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:57, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

"Stitching" cover images

What program are you using to 'stitch' two images together? That's the one thing I can't do with IPhoto and would dearly love to..... Good to see you uploading covers!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:30, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I use the simplest program I could think of, Microsoft Paint. I start wit a new file, edit the size to the combined scans and copy / paste them in from another program (in my case Irfanview). Paste is always on the left, so the first image must be dragged to the right. I use Irfanview (freeware) to resize the images. They made uploading so easy, I couldn't resist it anymore, my entries are far better this way. Still takes a lot of time though. Even when half my books already have a scan uploaded I will come to at least 3000 images for the english language books alone (when I'm finished I will probably start adding the dutch translations). Willem H. 10:28, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I have a MAC so will need to get something for it. So many doubles to put in twinned images.... ! Bill, --Bluesman 14:46, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Hope you find a good program. I have no experience with MAC, so can't help you with this. For now I will not change excisting scans, unless they are inferior. Maybe we can make it into a project someday. I do like the possibility to see the separate images (600 pixels is only 600 pixels). To keep those available takes even more time. Well, someday... Willem H. 15:06, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Which reminds me, I stitched and uploaded a couple recently here and here but wasn't sure if they were good enough to use. BLongley 17:59, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I use a Mac, and I've been using the Canon Photostitch software (Mac & PC) that comes bundled with Canon Cameras. It started crashing after I upgraded to OS 10.6, but it works fine under older operating systems.--Rkihara 18:09, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

I thought Mac's were supposed to be immune from crashes.--swfritter 19:39, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

That's pretty much the case, OS 10.x is rock solid. I was referring to the stitching program, which locks up, but the operating system and other programs are unaffected--Rkihara 07:09, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Had mine almost two years and it hasn't even 'paused', never mind crashed. Though it did succumb to a lightning strike.... ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Nah, they just have different "screens of death". I remember "Sad Mac" and "Bomb" displays from the late 1990s as being as common as "Blue Screen of Death" for Windows. All OSes suck, but I must admit I haven't seen a complete crash for several years now. Just complete lock-ups with no reason. Is that an improvement? BLongley 20:47, 1 October 2009 (UTC)

Have yet to have any kind of 'lock-up'. Last one was courtesy of ANY Windows OS. :-) :-) I like Willem's idea of a group effort here. Getting great images in the right program's hands and producing decent "Doubles" images would be great. 99% of the online ones are just awful, most one can't even read the cover price/catalog # etc. which is really an important aspect for a bibliographic site. I've been uploading and separately linking the images for quite a few. It should be possible to take those and stitch them. Preferably high-resolution scans could be the source images and the composite ones made from there? I'm only too happy to provide such to anyone who can 'sew'!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:30, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Cabell's Domnei

I'm working on my copy of this publication and you have verified the only other pub for the title. The title page of my copy lists the title as "Domnei" over "The Music from Behind the Moon" over "Two Comedies of Woman Worship" and I'm intending to change the title of my pub. I wanted to ask if your edition lists the title similarly, and if I should therefore alter the Title (for both) or whether I should break them out so that one becomes a variant. If yours does have both titles on the page, I'd also value your opinion as to whether it should be "Domnei / The Music from Behind the Moon: Two Comedies of Woman Worship" or "Domnei: The Music from Behind the Moon: Two Comedies of Woman Worship". I would lean towards the "/", but another Cabell Ballantine Adult Fantasy, The Cream of the Jest explicitly uses the ":" on the title page (It needs to be fixed too, and the record doesn't reflect it yet). I also intend to expand the titles of the Carter introduction ("About Domnei and James Branch Cabell: The Eternal Triangle") and the two stories (to include their subtitles from their constituent title pages). Let me know if I should make the changes so they apply to your copy as well, or whether I should be creating variants. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 03:01, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

My copy has the same titles as yours, so changes can be made to the Titles. Feel free to make the suggested edits. I.m.o. the "/" is better than the ":" as the subtitle has another ":". I should have done this myself of course. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 07:30, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Return to Tomorrow

What does "Statre" mean here? BLongley 20:07, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

I haven't the foggiest notion, so I changed it to "Stated". Makes more sense I think. Sometimes my eyes can't follow what my hands are doing, so I made it a habit to always read what I just wrote. This one must have slipped through. Thanks for noticing, Willem H. 20:12, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Replacing images

I've noticed you're upgrading some of the images that are already in the database. Great! Perhaps you didn't know that you can save an extra submission by replacing the current image instead of adding a new image. That way you don't have to edit the pub to change the image URL. The URL remains the same if you replace the image. MHHutchins 19:56, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm very careful with this. Some of the images are linked to more than one publication (if they're almost the same), so I always check if the URL for the image is the same as for the pub. I did replace a number of scans, but also came across things like this. Willem H. 20:09, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

If you're using the tag of the record that belongs to the pub in hand (and you've done a primary verification of the pub record), I don't think there would be a problem. You really can't control if this same image has been linked to another pub record. If the covers are almost the same now, they'll be almost the same after you've updated the pub. It's the responsibility of the uploader to see that the image matches his pub. You can't be responsible if another person chooses to link a pub record to an image that's "almost the same". Just thought I'd save you from having to do an extra step and a moderator from having to approve an extra submission. No big deal. MHHutchins 21:30, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

You are right of course. What I'm careful about is when it's the other way around (my pub is linked to the cover image of another pub). Thanks Willem H. 11:08, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Holly's The Running Man

Based on the cover image, it appears that this pub should be credited to "J. Hunter Holly". If the title page gives the author as "Joan Hunter Holly" then the record's OK. If not, it should be moved. Are you familiar with the unmerge function and how to place this under the correct title record? If not, I can help you. MHHutchins 19:23, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Sharp. Yes, the title page has the same credit as the cover, so it should be moved. If I'm correct, the relation between the titles must normally be broken by the "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" option with a 0 for the parent record, and then merged with the correct title. However, since "Joan Hunter Holly" is the canonical name of the author, I suppose this one is different. So yes, help would be appreciated. Willem H. 19:50, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The method you speak of is used to break a variant relationship. That's a different situation. Here you want to unmerge a pub from its title record and then merge it with the variant title record.

1. Go to the pub record and correct the author field to the credited author's name. Submit.
2. Go to the title record and choose "Unmerge Titles" from the Editing Tools menu.
3. You'll see two pubs listed. You should check the box of the pub you wish to unmerge. Submit.

Once these two submissions have been approved, I'll give you the next steps. MHHutchins 20:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

I knew it would be different. First submissions are made. Willem H. 20:06, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

A new title record (1047425) has been created for the pub (the system automatically does this when a pub is unmerged from its title record - every pub must have a title record.) Now go to the summary page for J. Hunter Holly and choose "Show All Titles" function. This will list all her titles. You will then check the two boxes for The Running Man which will merge the newly created title record with the existing title record (a variant for the same title.) Then submit. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:14, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

The last step was logical. Thanks for the lesson. Willem H. 20:16, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Minor additon to he Dark Intruder & Other Stories / Falcons of Narabedla

Added note stating that the introductions are signed M.Z.B.--swfritter 15:14, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Cloak of Aesir

Shouldn't the stories in this pub be credited to John W. Campbell rather than John W. Campbell, Jr.? Unfortunately, that means the stories will have to entered as by Campbell and then made variants. The existing stories will then need to be removed since the current stories are merged with stories credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. Let me know and I will do the work.--swfritter 15:52, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure. I left the stories as they were, because John W. Campbell, Jr. is on the copyright page. The title page has John W. Campbell, so according to the Rules I think they must be credited that way. If you do so, I think the introduction must remain credited to John W. Campbell, Jr. (it is signed that way), and probably the first Lancer edition should be changed too. Thanks Willem H. 16:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

I like your logic. For now I will use the copyright attribution and make a note indicating that is the basis for assigning Jr. as the author.--swfritter 20:34, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Queen of Sorcery

You may want to clean up the artist on Queen of Sorcery. BLongley 13:38, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Oops. Wrong field. Submitted a correction. Thanks Willem H. 13:45, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

The Undefeated

I don't know how we ended up with two title records for the coverart, but your edits didn't fix it. I changed one of the COVERART title records to ESSAY, then removed that from the publication, then deleted the stray ESSAY. Which I think has fixed it, but please check it. BLongley 20:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, and if you have any idea how this occurred in the first place, please let us know - this is obviously not a clear situation with a clear clean-up. BLongley 20:54, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that after this discussion Dragoondelight and I both entered a submission to change Bob Pepper to John Berkey, and both were approved. Does this mean that deleting a cover credit doesn't work in general, or only in this (special) case? Willem H. 08:33, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

It usually works. I've not been able to recreate the problem on the live server, but I only use one account there so maybe different users submitting the same change do cause the problem. I'll have a try on my offline copy at some point, but that's currently a fresh download - good for querying, but not setup with multiple accounts for testing purposes etc. I will semi-automate the conversion at some point, but I'm back at work now and haven't got a lot of time for ISFDB testing, let alone development. If you do find out anything more, feel free to bring it up more generally - we have had bursts of programmer activity, although I think most other developers are finding time short at present too. BLongley 19:58, 21 October 2009 (UTC)

The Green Brain

This page identifies your cover artist as Dean Ellis. Safe enough reference to use? BLongley 17:52, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Good catch! I found a Czech Frank Herbert site here, that also credits Dean Ellis (it's so much easier to search when you know the answer). Submitted the change, and a note leading to Noreascon 4. Thanks, Willem H. 18:32, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Allies of THE Antares?

The pub you just updated seems to have a longer title than the cover shows, is that right? If so it should probably have a variant with a note about the title page not matching the cover. BLongley 19:29, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Missed that one. I only updated the coverscan. Submitted a change (Allies of Antares in stead of Allies of the Antares) and notified Dragoondelight. Thanks, Willem H. 07:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Out of My Mind - changed Singleminded to Single-Minded

Afternoon! This. [4]. I changed Singleminded to read Single-Minded as per my copy. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:35, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Sharp. I deleted the old story from our pub, and made the new one a variant. Thanks, Willem H. 11:45, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, greatly. As you know I am weak on follow-up. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:09, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Rediscovery: A Darkover Novel changed to Rediscovery: A Novel of Darkover

Afternoon! This. [5]. I changed it as above to reflect the title on title page, page opposite title page, front cover and spine. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:17, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Nice catch. Must have missed this. Thanks, Willem H. 07:34, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Actually I believe it is a trick between the eye and brain. Fans of Darkover see things dozens of times and when you see it slightly different the brain corrects it for you. What I mean is the mind uses equivalents and thus there is no real difference from it's point of view. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:10, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

You could be right. I tend to accept things that someone else has verified, and don't look too sharp for mistakes. Anyway, since my eye operation (loose retina) the connection between my eyes and brain is a bit wobbly at best. Cheers, Willem H. 14:11, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

My eye lens replacement was 30 September and the world has color again. Technically in any real light I was blind in the right eye. Great operation, 15 minutes, and results. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:49, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Upgrade Scans of Verified Books/Images

Morning Again! I just realized that you are using a lot time typing to me about replacing scans with greater quality than I used. As long as you have no doubts about the images, you do not have to do so or if you insist you can do it with a drop title like "Cover scans 24 october" and just the new scan. Of course the extended version works well if you think there is a question, but I find your work very thorough and would like you to be able to cut down on 'waste' time. Also, I think you work superb, so a Million Thanks for all scans/changes. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC) P.S. I always look at them, and enjoy the better quality, but it is a chore to so notify me. It is NOT a chore to look at your work, though! Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:56, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

It's no big deal to do it this way. I just use a standard text (copy it from a Word document), and copy/paste in the links that are already open in my browser. I do it this way so you don't have to wait until my edits are approved to review the changes. The "Cover scans 24 october" suggestion would work for me (saves you some archiving too), I'll start with that the next time I upload scans. Thanks, Willem H. 15:30, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

Just trying to level the possible strain. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:17, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

I'm glad to see you working together this way! Both of you, carry on the good work! (Scans, edits, spotting slight mistakes, all good!) BLongley 23:12, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Marion Zimmer Bradley's Lythande

You verified the publication Lythande. Currently this collection, and the story "The Gratitude of Kings" are listed as being part of the series Thieves' World. But only the first story is really part of the Thieves' World series. I would like to leave the first story ("The Secret of the Blue Star") in the Thieves' World series series, but move the others to a new series "Lythande". What do you think? -DES ^Talk 02:05, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I think that's a tricky one. According to Bradley's introductions in Lythande, the character was created as being part of the Thieve's World universe, but later Bradley withdrew from this shared world. One of the later Lythande stories (Wandering Lute) was an attempt to place her in another world (Ithkar). Also, several Thieve's World stories by other authors feature Lythande. Vonda McIntyre's Thieve's World story Looking for Satan was even added to Bradley's collection. If you want to create a new series for Lythande, please do so. I would personally make it a subseries of Thieve's World, but that's your choice. When you're at it, you should also add the two later Lythande stories (Bitch and The Walker Behind) to the new series. You have my blessing, Willem H. 13:36, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Ps, I don't know or own "The Gratitude of Kings", so I have no idea if it's a regular Thieve's world story or a Lythande one. Willem H. 13:38, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I see your point about a sub-series. I haven't read "The Gratitude of Kings" either: the amazon reviews indicate that it is a Lythande story. It could also be a Thieves' World story, but I doubt it. Thanks for the pointers to other Lythande stories. -DES ^Talk 14:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a funny thing about Ithkar, Lackey's "Free Bards" series started as an Ithkar story, and Ithkar fair was reworked to Kingsford Faire when she expanded it to the first novel in the series. -DES ^Talk 14:07, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

It's a conspiration to make our work harder. Willem H. 14:11, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

Secret of the Black Planet actually a fix-up

Wouldn't this more properly be consider a fix-up novel? Perhaps one day we will have the capacity to document the stories upon which fix-up novels are based in some place other than the notes. Other sources, such as Contento (the title is conspicuous by its absence) do not classify this as a collection.--swfritter 14:15, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

I don't think so. Clute/Nichols seem to think it was a fix-up novel, but in my copy of the book there is no indication of any rewriting of the stories. On the copyright page they are treated as separate titles, and there is a clear separation between the stories. Unfortunately I can't compare with the original stories, but as far as I can see it's just a collection. I had notified Bluesman here of course. Perhaps it can wait for his response? Thanks, Willem H. 15:12, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

ps, Reginald1 does list this as a collection. Willem H. 15:32, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Approved. Titles merged. The copy I own does not make the distinction. If we had support for fix-up novels that would have definitely be the way to go. Please enter as much supporting data as you possibly can in the title page of the collection so that someone does not come along and change it back to a novel.--swfritter 16:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

A closer look shows that each story has a title page, as in your case, so indeed collection is the correct nomenclature. The publisher was trying to make it look like a pure novel by not having a table of contents or identifying the stories on they copyright page. I think a note similar to the one I placed in my pub is adequate. Oh, and I grabbed my copies from Amazing and the stories appear to be pretty much identical with the mag appearances. Darn, now I have to move this from my novel shelf to my collection shelf.--swfritter 16:18, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Bluesman agreed to the change. I copied the note from your pub to mine. All publications of the stories & collection are verified, that should keep anyone from changig it back to a novel. Willem H. 19:02, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Changes to verified pub Again, Dangerous Visions

this pub. Added page numbers. Added a single reference to Emshwiller as interior artist. Changed co-author of "Getting Along" to Judith Ann Lawrence.--swfritter 16:05, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this. I had been thinking about adding Ellison's introductions, but put the book aside at the time. Someday I'll start seriously with the anthologies. Willem H. 17:44, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

I considered documenting the intros too and also for Dangerous Visions. They are very substantial. I kept the page numbers as they are in the TOC - which is the page where the intros are. Adding intros would also require changing the page numbers of the stories. And a really enterprising person could also add the Emshwiller art for each story. Incremental perfection. I must have gotten my copy used. I have a hard time believing I could have afforded a $12.50 book at the time this came out.--swfritter 20:06, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Micahel vs Michael / Ayesha: The Return of She

Afternoon! This. [6]. Would you check the artist spelling, yours is the only "Micahel". I figure it is a finger slip, but only you know. How goes it? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 22:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)

Shows how careful I should be with the hand/eye coordination. Thanks for spotting this. I didn't even notice it when uploading the cover scan. Submitted the neccesary changes.

Except for low energy levels, flu and starting work again (12 hours a week now) things go well. Progress is slow, but it's there. Willem H. 07:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

Happens to everyone, not a big deal. I do it continually, apparently my fingers like to put third letter before second letter.

I hear that Dutch chocolate is the sovereign cure for energy levels. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:38, 8 November 2009 (UTC)

The Case of Charles Dexter Ward

Perhaps you meant to record the date of this second printing of this title to 1969? MHHutchins 22:39, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Every now and then one slips through. Correction submitted. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 07:04, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Map of Compact Space

I would like to merge several title records which I believe refer to the same piece of interior art, entitled "Map of Compact Space", that is included in some of C. J. Cherryh's Chanur novels. You are one of the verifiers whose pub records (this, this and this) would be affected by the change. Before making the merge I need to make sure that all titles refer to the same piece of art. A scan of the map can be found here (link points to my personal website; once the issue has been resolved I will remove the scan so that no copyright is violated). Unless you think my proposal is a bad idea in the first place, could you please verify whether the scan matches the map you have in your publication? You may wish to read the help desk discussion leading up to this request. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 22:47, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

All of them are identical to your scan, so merge 'em all!! The map is also in Chanur's Legacy. I added it, so there's one more to merge. Thanks, Willem H. 20:09, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

The Sleep Eaters

Your later edition definitely has "John" on the back cover? Checked mine (the earlier edition) and it has "Jack". Just double-checking before approving! Thanks. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:06, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, definitely. It's clearly a publishers mistake, thus a new pseudonym for Jack. Thanks, Willem H. 22:12, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Okay, will approve both edits for this. Thanks!! ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:14, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

The Mind of Mr. Soames

You removed the note "Month of publication from Locus #205 (October 1977)." from this pub. Can I assume that the month of publication is stated in the pub? Thanks. MHHutchins 22:30, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

Yes, that's why I removed the note. Thanks, Willem H. 08:18, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Just wanted to make sure. I've seen submissions that overwrite the note field, assuming the previous info is retained. Thanks again. MHHutchins 14:25, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem. After my first rejections I have become a bit more careful, but every now and then a blooper slips through. Well, it keeps you sharp. :-) Willem H. 16:49, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Under the Dome - How are your wrists holding out?

Kinda heavy book. Finished it yet?--swfritter 15:41, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

It arrived today. Not even halfway yet. Willem H. 16:16, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I am going to get the audiobook version from audible.com. Thirty-five hours. I usually listen to audiobooks on my hikes/walks. If I am going to finish it in a reasonable amount of time I am going to be exhausted.--swfritter 16:22, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

I suspect Amazon got these dimensions wrong, otherwise this cube of a tome probably beats it weight-wise:

BLongley 15:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

It should. They don't (dare) mention the weight of the book. My mailperson did look a bit exhausted when he delivered this one, and last years book was worse (ok, no SF but fun anyway). Willem H. 16:55, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon

The introducyion of I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon has a date 1987, but the introduction is also present in first edition, thus, 1985.--ErnestoVeg 15:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Well spotted. I submitted a correction. Thanks, Willem H. 16:16, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

The Dark Tower III: The Waste Lands

See this discussion. Any light you can shed on the topic would be helpful. Thanks. --MartyD 02:30, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Responded on your talk page. Willem H. 12:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Andromeda Gun

The cover for [this] sure looks like Paul Lehr's work. No sign of a signature? I ask because I just uploaded the hardcover image and it's the same. Ready to dive into the McCaffrey quagmire yet?? ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:35, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Good spot! I added the credit to both pubs and your uploaded image, plus notes. This is a valuable source of information, if you have an idea about the artist. Paul Lehr was suspected to be the artist before, but never confirmed. I noticed Kraang of the change. Thanks, Willem H. 07:35, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

McCaffery submissions

For your convenience these are the bookmarks for the pubs that need to have content in order to complete your conversion task: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?23629, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226993, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?226997, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37274, http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?236989 . --swfritter 15:33, 25 November 2009 (UTC)

Finder cover

If you think the cover for Finder is different, maybe you should remove the artist credit? It may be an accidental left-over from a clone operation. BLongley 21:58, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

You're right. I should have done that when verifying the pub. Submitted the removal. Thanks, Willem H. 22:08, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

No problem, approved. BLongley 22:23, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Reefs of Earth

Likely source of the month for [this] is Amazon.UK, probably added by me and missed the note. That's where the current image came from [here] ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:06, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. I submitted a correction. Willem H. 20:11, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Earthblood

I think you might have an SFBC edition of [this]. Is the jacket clipped on the top of the inside front flap, the bottom or both? Some sellers do the latter to sell an edition as a trade when it's not. The Gutter code you cite is from the first SFBC printing. Both Amazons have Jan '66 for the first edition (though I don't really trust that explicitly) and that would fit better than the SFBC and trade editions being published close together. Not common practice in the '60s, unlike today when they issue simultaneously. I've held the submission for the moment. Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:34, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Well... you cought me. The jacket is clipped on the bottom, so I should have known. Do reject my edit, I'll verify the SFBC edition. Cover artist is still Wendy Worth though. Thanks for correcting me. Willem H. 22:10, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

Not a problem! Biggest clue was the no edition statement. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:32, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

How Erg the Self-Inducting Slew a Paleface How Erg the Self-inducing Slew a Paleface

Is one of the above a typo? Variant? ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:09, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes it is. My pub has it wrong. Inducting is on the contents- and titlepage. Sharp! Willem H. 17:13, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

And on only two hours sleep! I'm not sure if there is a "convention" as to how the second half of a hyphenated word gets treated, always lower-case or always upper??? I'll approve the edit and you can fix the titles. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:16, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it may be easier to fix them first. I'll reject the edit and then you can merge after fixing. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:18, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

This one is actually covered in Help:Screen:NewPub: "Hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized." Ahasuerus 17:42, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

I was about to ask the helpdesk, but there's no need to do that now. I'll just submit a new merge. Thanks, Willem H. 17:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Hunters of the Red Moon

DES has been MIA for the last month and I would like to process his submissions to clear the queue. One of his pending submissions aims to modify your verified 3rd printing of Hunters of the Red Moon by adding the following comment:

Carries a back cover ad for The Shattered Chain #UW1229, $1.50, which was published Apr 1976, and reprinted with a higher price soon after: this suggests a pub date in 1976 or at latest 1977. Bar credited on copyright page. Interior art not credited in print, but clearly signed G Barr. No DAW Book Collectors Number. 451-UY1230-125 on spine.

adding 5 as the page number for the novel and an interior art Title for George Barr on page [2]. Could you please check your copy to see if it matches his proposed changes? TIA! Ahasuerus 22:32, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

DES's edit is correct, and well thought through. Any idea what happened? Willem H. 16:57, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I am afraid I don't know what happened to DES. At one point he disappeared for a number (6-8) of months and then came back, so I hope it's a similar hiatus. The last time he said that he would try to give notice if he disappeared again, but you never know what may happen. IN any case, I will approve his submission, thanks! Ahasuerus 04:42, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

Cover for Seven Steps to Midnight

I approved your submission and found this image for it. I know you're a cover-scanner kinda guy, but I can't bear to see those coverless entries.... --MartyD 14:48, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

There's always some time between verification and scanning. I appreciate the effort, but will replace the image with my own scan in the coming week(s). Willem H. 14:54, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Oh yes, I assumed you would! --MartyD 15:01, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Perseus Spur

Approved [this] but we now have a Publisher named "BCA by arrangement with Voyager". BCA can stay, possibly with / Voyager or that portion as a note? ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:41, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

We already had the publisher "BCA by arrangement with Voyager" (7 publications now). I chose this from the existing variants of the Book Club (and it's stated like this on the copyright page). We have BCA by arrangement with a lot of other publishers too. BCA/Voyager would have created a new publisher. I believe there's been another discussion on this subject, but can't find it now. I think it's best left this way, until a majority decides to merge all BCA variants. Willem H. 20:09, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

Okay, just the first one I had seen. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:56, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Cover artist for Small-Minded Giants

Hi. I approved your submission of Small-Minded Giants. The help is silent on the matter, but I don't think you should record a website or company as a cover artist. In my opinion, authors, editors, and artists should be people. I would record the company in the notes and leave the artist blank unless we know which person at the company did the artwork. You may want to bring this up in the Rules and standards discussions if you don't agree with that thinking. (I did not change what you submitted). Thanks. --MartyD 11:58, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

It had been done before, with www.blacksheep-uk.com and www.chopppingblock.com, so I saw no harm in adding this website. I agree that it should be discussed though. I'll start the rules and standards discussion. Thanks, Willem H. 12:39, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

I gave a comment, probably confusing, but what can you do but list it there or notes? At least it gives someone a place to start. Hate doing it personally. I have been trying to ignore it, but the problem seems to be growing. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:15, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

The Black Star Passes - am I going blinder?

Morning! This. [7]. Just joking, but I can only find JR. on the copyright in my copy. Would you confirm? I have noticed the JR. is often not there for Campbell, and I admit it confuses me. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

And I thought I could get away with that one. Yes, you're almost right (the introduction is also signed as by Jr.). I left it as it was to avoid confusion (I thought). According to the Rules and the recent discussion the existing stories should be removed from this publication, and replaced by variants. That would leave the question about how to credit the introduction, as it's signed as by Jr. I probably would have done it different now, but back in may I wasn't so sure about my edits, and decided to close my eyes and verify the thing. Do feel free to make the necessary changes if you like. Thanks, Willem H. 13:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Started process. Where I will end is always a question. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:13, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Just checked the result. Looks perfect to me. Thanks, Willem H. 19:53, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Just inputted the unmerge this morning and deletes, so someone else figured it needed to go under the variant, which is great as I need looking after. LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:32, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Night Gift

Approved [this]. Should the spelling be "Aladdin" as opposed to "Alladin"? ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:54, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

You're right. I typed the Dutch spelling without thinking. Submitted a correction. Well spotted. Thanks, Willem H. 22:27, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

date of "Children of the Moon" and interesting link

Something relevant to your recent edits: The Ghost Ship and Other Stories of 1912, although the book says 1913. (Also found this review, dated February 16, 1913).

I noticed you merged Children of the Moon to have no date (vs. the incorrect 1964). I'm thinking 1912 might be right. --MartyD 12:00, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

Nice, it also gives dates for all 4 early printings (1912, 1912, 1913, 1923). Tuck only mentions the 1st and 4th. I merged Children of the Moon before adding the date (I could only choose between 0000 and 1964, had only a few minutes this morning. I'm also changing the dates for the other stories in the collection, and will import the contents to the 1st edition. The review is for a US edition? Can't find anything more about that one. Thanks, Willem H. 16:47, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

I've come to love Google Books. I've found even for the limited previews, sometimes searching within the book will find snippets that are useful. The review does sound like it's for a US Edition. Perhaps it is coincident with that one I found the scan for (the 1913 Mitchell Kennerly). --MartyD 17:33, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

The Collected Stories of Roger Zelazny Volumes 5 and 6

Just in case you didn't know, volumes 5 & 6 (NINE BLACK DOVES and THE ROAD TO AMBER) came out a couple of weeks ago and are available through NESFA Press directly with Amazon etc to follow. Also, in response to your earlier concern that V's 1-4 didn't make clear that I had written the annotations and the "A Word from Zelazny" sections, I changed the acknowledgments section. It now begins "In order to write the 'A Word from Zelazny' sections, the annotations, and the literary biography, I relied on many individuals. Some aided in the extensive search..." Volumes 5 & 6 show this revised text, and the second editions of volumes 1 & 2 (which are also now available) show this as well. When volumes 3 & 4 come out in their second editions (likely next year) the change will be made to those two as well.

And, since I mentioned it, the second printings of V1 & 2 both say "SECOND EDITION" because more than just typos were changed in the text. Some annotations were revised and other additions were made to the literary biography.

Lastly, in February the companion book that I've compiled -- THE IDES OF OCTEMBER: A BIBLIOGRAPHY OF ROGER ZELAZNY -- should also be released by NESFA Press. It contains many entries not in isfdb, plus thumbnail images of every Zelazny cover from English-language publishers. Ckovacs 22:32, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. I haven't ordered volume 5 and 6 yet, wouldn't want them to be underway at Chrismas, but it will be the first thing for me to do in the new year. Also looking forward to "The Ides of Octember", this probably has a lot of stuff I don't know/own yet.

The acknowledgments look much clearer this way. I'll keep the credits as they are, and probably add something to the notes.

As for the second editions, they are easy to enter into the database. On the pub screen there is the "Clone this pub" option, that does exactly what it sais, make an exact copy with all connections and variants already there. On the next screen you can edit the notes to clarify the changes. Again thanks for all the work you put into this project. I'm enjoying the books greatly. Willem H. 06:55, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Sojan

See [here] for the price of [this]. Likely source for the price, at least notable. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:25, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for this site. Submitted a new note, and added the site to my (ever growing) list of favorites. Willem H. 20:33, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

It's hit or miss, and it will not search using ISBNs with any dashes or breaks. Good source for prices at times. [This] is the start page.~Bill, --Bluesman 20:37, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

And it's the British Integrated Library. I've yet to shorten that to BIL as only Mr. Longley would get it! ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

We tend to say "BLIC" for "British Library Integrated Catalogue" - all though that does sound rather South African to me when said aloud. I still want the "BL.UK" domain for myself though... I guess I just have to outlive the institution! BLongley 20:54, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I'll change it. Blik is a tin can in Dutch, but then, South African was Dutch too long ago. Institutions tend to live very very long. You could go for "BILLO.UK", but that sounds French to me. Willem H. 21:08, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Bradbury's A Medicine for Melancholy

Can you recheck the title of a story in your verified copy of this title? I believe "The Sunset Harp" should be "The Shore Line at Sunset" as it is titled in most editions of this title. Thanks. MHHutchins 06:20, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

You're right, it is. I submitted the neccesary corrections. Thanks for the notice. Willem H. 09:25, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Early Del Rey - story title change

Morning! This. [8]. I changed the title from "The Wind Between the Worlds" to "Wind Between the Worlds" as on story title page. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:44, 22 December 2009 (UTC)

You might also want to get rid of those spurious pen-name attributed title records. The easiest way is to remove all content and then import the records from this pub. You'd have to go back and add the page numbers, but it would save you so much time over removing the wrong titles, adding the new ones, then merging the new ones with the correct parent record. MHHutchins 20:06, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

When I verified the pub, I actually thought these should be left under the pen-names, as they are credited like this on the title pages of the stories. Careful re-reading of the help page however tells me this is only the rule for magazines and anthologies. Another lesson learned. For me however, adding new titles, romoving the old ones and merging is easier than adding the pagenumbers again. I'll start submitting in a moment. I'll also notify Scott Latham and Dragoondelight. Thanks, Willem H. 20:33, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Oh great, another rework then... not just here, but for Kuttner and others. :-( BLongley 21:05, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I thought "Title Page" trumps "Table of Contents" too and have volumes 1 and 2 entered that way. Is this definitely an agreed standard for Collections or is it hidden somewhere under the "X Writing as Y should be credited as X" rules? I've long since given up on "help" being the definitive answer to things, we never update it all when we agree to do something different. (Which is rare enough in itself) and Help often disagrees with itself. If I have to change them again, I'd like to know if we are at least recording "ToC" / "Title Page" / "Inferred Real Name based on Collection's Author" in notes. BLongley 21:05, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

It sounded so logical when Michael suggested the change. The help screen sais: "For short stories that appear in magazines and anthologies, the author's name should be taken from the story heading, rather than from the table of contents, if there is one." There must be a reason collections are not included in this rule, and I thought it reasonable, since collections are normally written by one author, that the stories should be attributed that way too. I try to follow Help as much as I can. At least those rules should be something that was once agreed upon. If there is consensus to do things otherwise, I'll put the pseudonyms back just as cheerful. Willem H. 21:42, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

I've raised this topic on Rules and Standards - it'll be annoying for me if I have to rework the same publications yet again, and I think we might actually be losing some data if we go for "just credit it to the Collection Author" when content titles might actually reveal true authors. (Probably less so in this case than in the Kuttner/Moore stuff.) There is no right or wrong way really, when you're trying to fit it into what the database allows - that's why I go back to first principles in these cases and hope that we all still agree on "we must record what's stated" (somehow - but "notes" are less satisfactory to me as you can't do much with such in the database). As well, it's up for discussion and at worst I hope we make it clear to all what we should all be doing, even if it means doing something I don't really agree with. I can always ignore that part of the overall ISFDB project and find time for something else. BLongley 22:07, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

It is logical that stories in a collection be credited to the author of the collection. I was correcting a situation where a story ("Carillon of Skulls") was credited to "Lester del Rey and Philip James", which was highly illogical because "Philip James" is a pseudonym for del Rey and James H. Beard. When I pulled out my copy of Early Del Rey I saw the story is credited parenthetically as "(by Philip James)". The use of the parentheses is synonymous with "X Writing As Y", in my opinion. It remains logical that the stories be credited to the collection's author, but how the stories in this collection are credited seems to me to be out of the norm. Sometimes exceptions should be made. (And I had no idea that the Help pages didn't include collections as part of the "rule".) Regardless, I can live with either solution. MHHutchins 22:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

[after edit conflict] Bill, I don't see how making this one exception will cause you to rework anything. This situation is relatively rare enough that each book can be handled individually. MHHutchins 22:18, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Rare for most people, agreed. I just own too many books, and I especially like Short Story Collections and Anthologies. :-/ But I've changed several collections to use Content Title page authors after guidance, and used the "X Writing as Y" rule for such too, and Help frankly just isn't clear enough. If it ends up as "Collection Author should be used throughout" I'm fine with that but would like the actual content title-page author data recorded in notes at least. I'm just a bit fed-up with changing them one way, then changing them back, and want to pin this down. "This one exception" could actually lead to me pulling out two books (when I'm fit to find such) as they were published in two volumes here. Apply one interpretation of the rules to Kuttner and I have to find both volumes of his "Best of", and the other printings, where one printing has no content-level title authors and so is credited to publication author alone, and the other gives it away which were really Kuttner and which were Kuttner/Moore and which were under a joint pseudonym... This is not one exception, it affects dozens of my books and potentially hundreds of content titles. BLongley 22:44, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

[unindent] Again, I don't see how making an exception for Early Del Rey would effect other books. Isn't that what "exception" means? MHHutchins 23:08, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Well, if "Early Del Rey" is to be an exception, wouldn't you want the same for The Early del Rey: Volume 1 and The Early del Rey: Volume 2 too? BLongley 20:37, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

I was waiting for some kind of agreement on the question. It looks like there's a majority for having the pseudonyms reinstated, and as I said before, I'll happily put them back if there's something that looks like concensus. Of course both editions should be the same. Willem H. 20:46, 7 January 2010 (UTC)

Cover image for Dancers at the End of Time

I believe this image was linked before we cracked down on linking to cover images on other websites. If you have a chance, can you scan the cover of this book and replace the current link? If not, I'll try to find a better image and upload it to our wiki. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:10, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Just found this image on Wikipedia. Will it work? If so, I'll copy it and upload to our server. Thanks. MHHutchins 00:13, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

I scanned and added this image. If you think the other one is better, feel free to replace it.

One of my side projects is scanning covers for my entire collection, and uploading scans when there's none, or only a link, so you can be assured that any pub I have a primary verification for, will eventually have an uploaded scan. Thanks, Willem H. 19:24, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

That one's fine. Just wanted to get rid of the unauthorized link. Thanks. MHHutchins 20:00, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Writing SF

Are you certain the piece in this pub is titled "Marker Resources" and not "Market Resources"? Thanks. MHHutchins 20:09, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Slip of the finger. Submitted a correction. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 20:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Beyond Thirty by Burroughs

This pub popped up on a data inconsistency listing (for short fiction/novel mismatches). I corrected the type to CHAPTERBOOK, and added a chapterbook title record. Let me know if you have any questions about the rationale behind the change. Thanks. MHHutchins 06:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem here. It should have been a chapterbook from the beginning. Thanks, Willem H. 08:45, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Frontispiece in Kill the Dead

I've changed the content record type for the frontispiece in this pub from SHORTFICTION to INTERIORART, with the assumption that it was a typo. Thanks. MHHutchins 18:04, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

That must have been a typo, much better now. Thanks, Willem H. 18:40, 6 January 2010 (UTC)

Early Del Rey

Holding your submission, just to check that these stories appear in the TOC and/or title pages with the original author/pseudonym credited. Very unusual for later collections to keep the pseudonym. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:28, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

Just read the thread above concerning this and will approve the change. An odd one indeed. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:37, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

You missed an interesting discussion. Submitted the delete & merges. After that the pub should be back the way it was before this. Thanks, Willem H. 18:36, 10 January 2010 (UTC)

The Interpreter title reference

I changed your verified The Interpreter to use this title by "Brian Aldiss" instead of this title by "Brian W. Aldiss", matching the author credit on the publication. --MartyD 11:25, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Special delivery?

Did you get a package?? ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:55, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Cought me entering new pubs did you. I did get a package, I'm eternally grateful, and mailed you about it. Unfortunately my mail bounced back. The message is, that your mail server (or mine) is blocked due to spam. I'll try again from work tomorrow. Willem H. 21:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Receives OK at this end (tried a test from a second address). ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:17, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Restarted my computer and tried again. Sending is ok at this end. I tried mailing someone els, worked fine. Could be temporary. Willem H. 21:35, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

2nd printing of Under Heaven's Bridge

I didn't know there had been a second printing of this title. (I maintain Michael Bishop's website and bibliography, and thought I knew every printing of his work.) My first printing has a number line "2 4 6 8 0 9 7 5 3 1" but it has the same catalog number (84481) as yours. Normally Ace would change the catalog number, usually increasing the number by one for each printing. Can you tell me what the number line is on your copy? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:24, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Surprise. It really is a second printing. I scanned the copyright page here. I think the numberline is the only difference, or it must be the ads in the back. Mine has ads for Ace, Conan and Andre Norton, numbered A-05, A-04 and A-03. Need more info? Willem H. 15:24, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the scan of the copyright page. It's identical to mine except for the dropping of the "1" from the end of the number line. Mine has ads for Piper (S-10), Dickson (148), Leiber (130) and Le Guin (118). I wonder if we can narrow down the printing date of your copy by using the ad codes. I've never been able to figure those things out. I usually try to find the most recent book advertised based on the catalog number and price. (Wasn't there a paperback publisher who used to put expiration dates on their ads?) Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:56, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Two of the three ads from the second printing, A-05 and A-04, are in Barry Malzberg's "The Cross of Fire", first printing May, 1982. If that helps? ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Expanded Universe 2nd printing number line vs 2nd printing dated no number line

Afternoon! This. [9]. I have a second printing August 1982 w/o number line. I have a 3rd printing with number line and no date which should follow your second number line printing. So one with date, one without, but you could date to my printing. I will have to clone to show difference. Any other thoughts? Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 23:14, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

I printed the differences on Bluesman's wiki page. FYI Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 01:40, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Responded on Bluesman's wiki page. Thanks, Willem H. 14:33, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Return of the Time Machine

Was about to add a couple of notes to [this] when I thought MAYBE this was one of those early DAWs that had the spelled number lines. My copy is Canadian, which never used that scheme It simply says "First Printing, 1972". If yours is a US edition with the spelled number line then I'll create a new record. If not and the copyright pages are the same then I'll just write all over the existing record!!! :-) :-) Nice scan, too! [which I will unceremoniously steal if I need to create a clone....] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:24, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

No number line in mine, just "First Printing, 1972". It does say "Printed in the U.S.A.", but no reason to clone I think. Just edit away. Willem H. 14:15, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Much thanks! Bending, stapling, folding, mutilating shall commence! But not to the scan, of course! ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:05, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

And done, with no bleeding or evisceration. ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:46, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Heinlein's Stranger in a Strange Land

I believe the "March, 1978" date mentioned in the notes of this record should be "March, 1968". Perhaps just a typo? Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:59, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

I believe my fingers are too big for the keyboard. I'll buy another computer. Correction submitted. Thanks, Willem H. 15:26, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

World Jones Made

Approved [this] and of course went looking for an image. [This] is what I found. Sort of Pepper-ish, though his style is more 'defined' [?]. ACE Image Library credits this to Kelly Freas, citable though I'm not all that convinced. FYI ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:45, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

The credit to Freas is obviously wrong. Freas did the 2nd Ace printing (this one), which is totally different. I'll add a clear scan and a note about it in a few days. Willem H. 19:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Card's A Planet Called Treason

According to Locus #224 (August 1979), this edition was published in July 1979. Please feel free to use them as the source of the month. Mhhutchins 03:19, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Checked and submitted (some other notes too). Willem H. 15:23, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Bova's Kinsman

According to Locus #225 (September 1979), this edition was published in August 1979. Mhhutchins 02:48, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks again. Looks like your "Locus Books Received" project. Are you still missing #224-#253? I could scan them or make photocopies. Let me know. Thanks to the Gregg edition of #1-#204 I have a complete set. Willem H. 09:53, 15 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, I went back to a project that I set aside about a year ago. I'm not missing 224-253. Those are the issues that I've yet to check the listings against the ISFDB records. (Probably should have made that clearer.) The only issues I'm missing are 208-211 and 214. I was able to enter 1-204 through an inter-library loan of the Gregg edition, so they've already been checked. If you have 208-211 and 214, please feel free to update the stub records that I created (linked from the Locus wiki page) and reconcile the book listings in them. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:04, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I will, when I have time and after researching just what to add. Just thought you might want to have a physical copy yourself. Willem H. 09:37, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

If you can scan those 5 issues, I'd appreciate it, and even enter them into the database if you'd like. If you choose to enter them yourself, here's the contents I've entered in the records I've created for issues of Locus: all bylined articles, longer important articles (even if not credited, a subjective choice), all interviews (most are entered as "uncredited" because there is no internal evidence who conducted the interview), all reviews in book-review columns (and only very selective reviews in the book listings), all letters, all obituaries, all regular columns: Editorial Matters, Locus Looks at..., Books Received (Magazines Received, etc.), Along Publishers Row. When I get a chance I'll add the entry standards on the Locus wiki page. Please feel free at make suggestions. Mhhutchins 21:20, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

cover artist for The World Jones Made

For your consideration: The ACE Image Library credits the cover for The World Jones Made (#90951) to Frank Kelly Freas. --MartyD 11:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

I know. Forgot to add a note about this (did it now). Freas did the 2nd printing. This one has a totally different cover. Anyway, thanks for noticing. Willem H. 11:21, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Holland's Floating Worlds

This printing was published in October 1979, according to Locus #227 (November 1979). Mhhutchins 15:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Submitted the new data. Willem H. 15:56, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Cosmic Puppets/Sargasso of Space

Have your submission on hold as it looks ...'unfinished'??

•The Cosmic Puppets is 127 pages

•ACE Image Library credits Valigursky with the cover

•Sargasso of Space is 192 pages

•Cover states "Complete & Unabridged"

•ACE Image Library credits Emshwiller with the cover. Emshwiller's signature is visible the lower right, hidden as a sign below a row of buttons.

•

OCLC 2916767, 2916774, 173818119 See here for the Norton cover.

That's what's there. Thought maybe you had hit 'enter' by accident which would submit the entry before you were done (I've done that way too many times). If it's complete as shown above I'll approve and just delete the lonesome 'bullet'. ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:50, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

This was a bit of an experiment with the bullets. Most Ace doubles seem to be done this way. The lonesome 'bullet' shouldn't be there, and can be erased. If the result is not as I meant it to be, I'll try again. Thanks, Willem H. 16:58, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay! Will approve and unload hat one bullet! ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:16, 18 January 2010 (UTC)

dates of "Prolog to Trumps of Doom" and "Warriors and Dreams"

Hi. If Prolog to Trumps of Doom is indeed just an alternate title of Prologue from the Trumps of Doom, it should be given the 1985 date of the parent instead of the 2009 date the variant title appeared. --MartyD 11:07, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The same comment applies to 2009's Warriors and Dreams, now a variant of 1995's Introduction (Warriors of Blood and Dream). --MartyD 11:13, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

You're right of course. Submissions made. I lost the track a bit in all the Zelazny edits. "Nine Black Doves" should be complete now, I'll check "The Road to Amber again". Thanks, Willem H. 11:59, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The info about "Prolog" is incorrect. It first appeared as "Prolog" in the book Trumps of Doom (Underwood-Miller, 1985). Zelazny authorized its reprinting as "Prolog to Trumps of Doom" in Amberzine #4, 1993. I used that same title for its reprinting in The Road to Amber, NESFA Press, 2009. In between the book Manna from Heaven reprinted it with a doubly incorrect title: "Prologue from The Trumps of Doom." That's the wrong spelling of Prolog and the novel didn't have a "The" at the beginning. Depending how you look at this, either "Prolog" is the correct title or "Prolog from Trumps of Doom" is the correct title, but "Prologue from The Trumps of Doom" is certainly a variant/alternate and not the correct one for the listing. There are several things to be corrected and I don't know how to do it so I'll leave it for you to consider. I'm glad to see that you've entered the info for V5 & 6 of The Collected Stories, though. --Ckovacs 12:29, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Good to see you're following my progress, and thanks for the info, I was wondering about it. This makes things much clearer for me. Normally, the first appearance of a title is the canonical, in this case the appearance in the 1985 Underwood-Miller edition. I added the prolog to it's contents, and will make variants of the other prologs (or prologues).

I do have another question. I couldn't find any credit for A Zelazny Timeline in The Road to Amber, so I entered it as uncredited. Is this correct, or was it compiled by someone? Thanks, Willem H. 13:05, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

The material was compiled and fact-checked by me and with contributions by Dave Grubbs but with most significant contributions by Alice Lewis who did the graphic layout/design. Dave does credit Alice in his acknowledgments of V6 for the timeline. I think at one point he was going to list authors for it but decided against it for some reason I do not recall. Alice definitely should be listed as a co-author because the timeline is, by its very nature, a graphic art design that would otherwise be plain, unexciting text. --Ckovacs 14:20, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. I added the credits. Willem H. 14:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Just double-checking, based on the above, should this one be "Prologue TO..." (as it is now) or "Prologue FROM..."? If "TO" is right, don't mind me.! --MartyD 14:23, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I just added a note to Manna from Heaven about this. It's "TO" on the title page and "FROM" on the contents page. Willem H. 14:37, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

With "Prologue" I'd forgotten about the discrepancy between the table of contents ("from") and the actual start of the story ("to"); that book was badly copyedited in several respects. But strictly speaking they showed the title of the story in the book as "Prologue from/to The Trumps of Doom" and not "Prologue from/to the Trumps of Doom," even though the novel was Trumps of Doom and not The Trumps of Doom. So maybe "The" should be capitalized in the entry to match their mistake. --Ckovacs 16:49, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Alice Lewis credit

I am assuming you will be interested in this discussion for this submission. If you cannot see the second link, the author's name is being changed to Alice N. S. Lewis which may not be as it is credited in the book.--swfritter 16:38, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

I submitted a change to the name Alice Lewis because it should be Alice N. S. Lewis as stated on the copyright page. I gave Willem the sorter, more familiar version out of habit. --Ckovacs 16:48, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

Issue resolved.--swfritter 17:01, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

No harm done. She's credited as Alice N. S. Lewis on the copyright page, but referred to as Alice Lewis in the acknowledgments, where I looked. For now I'm ready with the series, awaiting the release of The Ides of Octember. Willem H. 21:04, 23 January 2010 (UTC)

dating Scholastic publications

You may want to see ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_08#How_to_read_.22broken.22_number_line.3F with regard to dating your recently entered The Counterfeit Man. --MartyD 13:03, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks!! I was hoping for something like that to be hidden in the numbers, but it's not easy to understand. If I read it correctly, this makes my book a 1975 publication, I'll make a submission for this. Willem H. 13:35, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Yes, it is hard to understand. But I agree with you -- I think the number means 1975. --MartyD 00:24, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Maybe somebody can rewrite the explanation more clearly and put it in the help somewhere? (With 57 different "Scholastic" publisher variations at present, it seems pointless to suggest putting it on "Scholastic's wiki-page".) BLongley 19:20, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Of Alien Bondage by "Cleve"

I continued what you started with this title (figured it would be easier for a moderator as it took several steps to get it into shape.) What's strange is that both the Berkley and Playboy editions were printed in the same year. It's possible, but still strange. Let me do some research to figure out what's going on. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:13, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I see the series moved from Playboy to Berkley in March 1983 after the first nine books. I'm thinking Berkley reprinted the earlier books, but kept the copyright date. That may have been the reason those early titles have the same dates for both the Playboy and Berkley titles. What do you think? Mhhutchins 20:17, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

I changed the date of this pub based on the Amazon.com listing. Ordinarily I wouldn't use an Amazon date, but seems to fit in the scheme of things. They give an October date for the Berkley printing of Of Alien Bondage, which would mean Berkley began reprinting the series before the last one published by Playboy. I think this was around the time that Berkley absorbed Playboy's publishing division. Mhhutchins 20:28, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Seems logical. I think one of the first Playboy books published by Berkley was Image of the Beast in september 1982. According to Amazon.com the Berkley edition of Of Alien Bondage was published in october 1982, which is not impossible. Thanks for the edits, saves me some waiting between the submissions. Willem H. 20:59, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome. I've changed the date of the Berkley edition, giving Amazon as the source. Mhhutchins 21:18, 24 January 2010 (UTC)

Beaumont's Magic Man collection

Can you re-check the title of this pub? I was doing a Reginald1 verification and noticed he titles it as The Magic Man and Other Science-Fantasy Stories. Does the book's title page drop the initial "The"? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:44, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

I must have missed this. Indeed, it's The Magic Man all over the book. Submitted the correction(s). Thanks, Willem H. 14:07, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Angela Carter's The Bloody Chamber

A couple of questions about your verified pub: Locus #230 (February 1980) gives the price at $9.95, so I suspect their listing must be incorrect. Also, does the title on the title page not match the cover (The Bloody Chamber and Other Adult Tales)? The Gollancz first edition was The Bloody Chamber and Other Stories according to OCLC. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

When I'm finished with my collection (next year?), I'll have to revisit my early verifications. This was a bad job (or maybe I did edit the pub and forgot to press submit). Checked Locus #230, they give the price as $8.95, which is also the price printed in the book. I submitted a correction for this. The title however is on the the title page as The Bloody Chamber. I also added notes , pagenumbers and artist. Can't imagine I missed all that. Thanks for the nod. Willem H. 14:39, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

No problem. That's one of the reasons for using secondary sources and doing additional primary verifications. I cringe to think of my early verifications and what I may have missed. If it were close I think there were things I just let pass. These days I don't hesitate at all to change things if I have the book in hand. Thanks for checking again. Mhhutchins 15:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

Nuetzel[l]

Approved [this] and wonder if Ms Frank spells his name with one or two 'l's. There are many more credits with two but most of the personal data is under one 'l'? Just curious. The only publication I have with his art has two 'l's. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:06, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

According to the website the extra "l" was used by Nuetzel to balance the "N" when signing a painting for covers. Jane Frank spells his name with one "l", which is logical, since he was Charles Nuetzel's father. If there had been a full signature I would have put it under one of the double "l" entries. I hesitate to make variants/pseudonyms of all other Nuetzel covers/artists. Search for Nuetzel and you get six different spellings for the artist, but "Albert Augustus Nuetzel" is the real one. Willem H. 20:17, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Stolen Faces

Found Mr. Hickman's strange 'signature' on the cover of [this]. About an inch to the left of the chin of the 'mask' face. S.—-. with the 'S' sort of like a lightning bolt. Changed the notes to reflect this. ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:29, 4 February 2010 (UTC)

Blank pic

The image you tried to upload for [this] did not come through. Couldn't see anything wrong with the URL. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:38, 7 February 2010 (UTC) Now I see why, for some reason there was a colon in the URL right in front of the tag, so the image is probably in the upload log but won't link with that in there. ~bill, --Bluesman 19:40, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Probably my finger that doesn't know wich key to touch. Tried again. Thanks, Willem H. 19:43, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

2nd time okay. --Bluesman 19:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Same thing with [this one] ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:55, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I think I'll go to bed now and rest a while. Tried this one again too. Willem H. 20:03, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

Second try still has the colon. I'll try and fix it. No go... ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:17, 7 February 2010 (UTC)

I fixed the image, what you had done was use the URL from the picture displayed after the upload, this is the wrong URL. The correct one can be found in two ways. Either click on the picture and a new one will be displayed then copy the URL at the top of the page or right click the original picture and in "Properties" you will find the correct URL. You'll notice both URL's are the same. Hope this helps!Kraang 00:53, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I must have been really tired yesterday. It's something I can normally do with my eyes closed and one hand tied behind my back. Sorry for all the trouble. Willem H. 15:19, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Mission of Gravity

Since [this] pub has a full ISBN on the spine and copyright page, I put that in the field and placed the catalogue# in the notes. The cover is definitely by Paul Lehr, even though not signed. Is this one credited in the Jane Frank book you have? ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:24, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for this. You're right about Paul Lehr I think. No proof however, not in the Jane Frank book, not in the Weinberg, not online. I added a note. Willem H. 07:22, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Crispin's Best SF

Can you recheck the date given for this publication? Tuck gives the first paperback edition as 1958 which is confirmed by the note in your record. I would suspect it to be the late sixties, considering that the fourth printing was in 1964. And it would have to be at least the fifth printing, as you mention it states previous printings in 1958, 1960, 1962, and 1964. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:17, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

You're right, it's definitely not 1955. I still think it's the 1964 4th trade paperback printing though. I submitted a correction. Thanks, Willem H. 06:54, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

capitalization change in Exiles to Glory

I downcased the "To" in your 2-verified Exiles to Glory. --MartyD 13:47, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

"Astoria" by Poe

Is this a review? If so, who is the author being reviewed. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:44, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Washington Irving. Submitted the edit to the review. I was still merging the Poe titles. Thanks, Willem H. 15:49, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Extra hyphen

In [Axiomatic] does the story "The Hundred-Light-Year Diary" have two hyphens or just one? I have the Millenium pb which uses two, but I don't want to create a variant if the absence of the second hyphen is just a typo. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:09, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

I'm afraid I have to disappoint you. It's one hyphen all over (contents page, title page and copyright page). Locus1 and Egan's website both confirm this spelling, so I think yours is the variant. Thanks, Willem H. 16:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Type-set-ter-s.... sheesh!! :-) Thanks! ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:13, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

Earthman, Go Home [!]

Should [this] have an exclamation point at the end of the title? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:08, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

No. The exclamation point is only on front cover and spine, not on the title page. Good spot by the way, I submitted a note for this. Thanks, Willem H. 20:01, 14 February 2010 (UTC)

The World's Desire - confirm artist request

Morning! This. [10]. I have a reference in Broecker's "Fantasy of the 20th century" to this being by Mati Klarwein. I then went here [11] and found the image title to be "Astral Body Asleep". Would you check to confirm? All yours! Sent message to Rtrace also. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:06, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Good catch. Added the artist to pub and image, and adapted the notes. Beautiful book (the Broecker) by the way, and the companion volumes (SF and Horror) too. One day I'll get to the art/reference part of my collection. Thanks, Willem H. 17:01, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for fix. I now appreciate the Broecker more than before. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:17, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

Dinner at Deviant's Palace

I assume you just forgot to change the binding/format on [this]? Since I don't know if it's a tp/pb..... ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:34, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Sharp as always. tp of course. Submitted the correction. Thanks, Willem H. 18:37, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Leiber's The Ghost Light

This collection is part of the series "Masterworks of Science Fiction and Fantasy", which my first printing makes clear. Does it appear to be a subtitle on the title page of your reprint? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:17, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

"Masterworks of Science Fiction and Fantasy" is on the title page, but I don't think it should be a subtitle. I removed it from the title and added it to the notes. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 07:58, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

There were a few more books in this series (Herbert's Eye, Farmer's The Grand Adventure, Clarke's The Sentinel), and several editors had used the series as a subtitle because it is so prominent on the title page. I think we're right not to consider it a subtitle. Eventually I'll get the time to create a wiki page for the publication series. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:11, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

And Then There Was One

[[12]] Certainly an odd situation! I'm thinking part of the original note about the invisible story being in the acknowledgements and introduction should stay in the notes. That validates putting it in the contents. Otherwise maybe the fifth story is just a stitched together version? Thoughts? ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:46, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I tried to make the notes as clear as possible. I checked the existence of the story with Ron Kihara. The two stories have nothing in common (I read the book some years ago). I suspect the printer? ran out of space and deleted Rocklynne's intro and the title of the 6th story. Page 208 is the last page of the book, and is completely filled. Perhaps I should add something like that to the notes. Any other ideas? Willem H. 20:00, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

I thought the revised note fine, but in looking at the old note side-by-side it just seemed that the story's existence in this pub was reinforced by being mentioned in the acknowledgements, which the revised note doesn't mention. I've approved the edit. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:16, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

Craft signature(s)

Hi. Moon-Flash says signature is "CY Craft", while The Moon and the Face says signature is "KY Craft". Is each correct, or might one be a typo? Thanks. --MartyD 11:24, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Looks stupid, probably is. Both should be KY, correction submitted. Thanks for noticing. Willem H. 12:23, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Linking LCCNs

You and I are the only editors that I'm aware of that links LCCNs to the LoC website record, and I was wondering how often you've experienced a problem with the number. It seems to me that maybe 1 or 2 out of 50 pubs have either the wrong number printed in the book itself or doesn't have a record in the LoC catalog. The biggest culprit seems to be Tor which has more problems than any other publisher. After updating a record I always check to see if the link works. I also check yours when I've moderated the submission, but I'm not sure if all moderators do the same. More often than you would think I've had to unlink a stated number with a missing record or enter the correct number for linking. Have you had any problems with a misstated LCCN or linking to a non-existing LoC record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:42, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Yes, lots of times. Sometimes the LCCN doesn't exist, or links to another book. I haven't noticed any publisher that has it more often than others. I always check the existence of the LoC record before adding it to the notes. If the link is wrong, I add a note about this (something like LCCN on the copyright page as … but this is unknown to the Library of Congress), and try to find the right record. Willem H. 16:09, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying that. That explains why I've never found one your submissions with a broken link! Having the ability to moderate my own submissions makes it easier to change any obvious errors immediately. The time it takes to change those 1 or 2 wrong LCCNs is shorter than it would take to check out the other 48 records. Thanks again. Mhhutchins 16:56, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

At least one other editor links LCCNs, thanks to a tip from DES last summer. In an odd coincidence, an edit to Mission to Moulokin had me reviewing the notes there, which included an un-linked LCCN. Attempting to link it, I found no such LCCN at LoC, but the title is in the catalogue under another number. That's a Del Rey, not Tor, FWIW. --MartyD 16:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

SFBC edition of The Dispossessed

I've added a cover image and notes to this edition, which we both have verified. My copy has gutter code "H09" which I marked as verified in the notes. When you get a chance can you check to see what's the gutter code on your copy? Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:05, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Mine has "21Q" (already in the notes). Should I mark this as verified too? Willem H. 21:32, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

When entering or updating SFBC editions between 1959 and 1987, I try to always show the gutter code of the first printing, followed by any known ones. If I only have a later printing I will mark that one as verified just to let others know that the verification was for that later printing, not the first one. I guess if there are more primary verifications of the same record, it would help to mark any other printing as verified too. I'll go ahead and mark "21Q" as verified. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:07, 27 February 2010 (UTC)

Right, I'll remember this next time. I still have some SFBC editions to verify. Willem H. 09:05, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Artist credit on A Torrent of Faces

Hi. Please see this question. Thanks. --MartyD 17:37, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

Answered there. Willem H. 18:17, 28 February 2010 (UTC)

"Farmerphile"

Is this a magazine? Reason I ask is I seem to remember a discussion about 'electronic' publishing dates and not sure what the resolution was. I don't see any problem with an electronic date as first publication date, even if the story later sees real as opposed to online print. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:58, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

It is a magazine/fanzine. Read all about it here. Terribly expensive, so I only own one issue. I'm trying to push my friend Rias (webmaster of the PJF International Bibliography) to start editing the ISFDB, and adding things like that, but no luck sofar (claims he's too busy). I remember several discussions about 'electronic' publishing, wouldn't have changed the dates for that. Willem H. 19:07, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

McKillip's the Night Gift

According to Locus #233 (May 1980), the Aladdin reprint of this title was published in April 1980. The ISBN, price and catalog number all support this year. The 1976 copyright was for the Atheneum hardcover edition. The Locus listing also states this was the first paperback edition. Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:46, 5 March 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. Submitted the change & note. Willem H. 19:25, 5 March 2010 (UTC)