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== Forward the Foundation ==
 
  
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Intend to submit LCCN and page numbers for {{p|14419|Forward the Foundation}}.  [[User_talk:Taweiss#Forward_the_Foundation|lgtm]] [[User_talk:Holmesd#Forward_the_Foundation|lgtm]]  [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 16:16, 2 January 2022 (EST)
 
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:Proceed. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:40, 2 January 2022 (EST)
 
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== The Forge of God / multiple covers ==
 
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I invite your comment on [[User_talk:Fjh#One_printing.2C_multiple_covers|this discussion]].  Thank you.  [[User:Fjh|Fjh]] 12:28, 7 January 2022 (EST)
 
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== Question on the Moderator Noticeboard ==
 
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Could you please stop by the Moderator Noticeboard and comment on [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Notes_to_moderators this issue]? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 10:34, 14 January 2022 (EST)
 
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== Khare - Cityport of Traps cover ==
 
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Hi, I saw on the recent edits page that [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5199906 you'd added an Amazon cover image] to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?876340 this pub added and PVed by another editor].  Obviously it'd be down to them to confirm whether that image matches the copy they have, but I had an earlier edition of that title as I kid, and I was pretty sure that design of the Fighting Fantasy covers didn't come in until after the 1984-1985 ranges listed for that pub.  A bit of digging around uncovered [https://fightingfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Khar%C3%A9_-_Cityport_of_Traps_(book) this page], which indicates that cover from Amazon is from 1987.  (I think the copy I had is the one listed as from 1985, but I'm sure that will have long disappeared off to a charity shop, car boot sale or trash heap.)
 
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:Hi! Sorry for answering late. You are right. I have now uploaded a scan of my own copy. [[User:PortOfHamburg|PortOfHamburg]] 04:16, 20 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:: Thanks - nice to have some confirmation that my memory hasn't degraded as much as it sometimes feels like ;-) [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 10:45, 20 February 2022 (EST)
 
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I'll ping the editor who PVed to this conversation for them to give the definitive word - I assume that it'd be preferred to have no cover image rather than the wrong one, especially on a PVed pub?  Thanks [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 13:49, 17 January 2022 (EST)
 
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:Original submission had no image and all I found was the current one, but as you say its for a later edition, I'll remove the current image. Thanks! Also this submitter only has one edit and you may not hear back. Again thanks.18:13, 17 January 2022 (EST)
 
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:: No worries - I really should get round to filling in the gaps in these gamebook series, although I think all of my copies of them are long gone.  They do at least seem to be reasonably well documented online and in [https://www.goodreads.com/series/214907 reference works]. [[User:ErsatzCulture|ErsatzCulture]] 11:59, 18 January 2022 (EST)
 
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== Swfritter's application for self-approver status ==
 
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When you have a moment, could you please review [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Moderator_noticeboard#Application_for_self-approval_status Swfritter's application for self-approver status]? TIA! [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 09:20, 26 January 2022 (EST)
 
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== The Last Planet date ==
 
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Mind if I change the date of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?168551 The Last Planet] to 1969-00-00 and add the appropriate notes? Per [https://andre-norton.com/works-of-a-master/series-of-a-master/the-central-control-series/243-the-last-planet website] "#47161 1969 $0.60 192pg 5th print". Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 11:35, 5 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:Change away. Great website I wonder if there's one for all the Ace books out there? Thanks![[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 16:05, 5 February 2022 (EST)
 
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::Submitted. I've only found this site for Andre Norton but who knows what's lurking out there? [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 18:08, 5 February 2022 (EST)
 
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==Kinuko (Y.) Craft==
 
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I recently cloned [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?882775 Taltos] and have had some difficulty with the cover artist, who is credited as Kinuko Craft in the book but this is an alternate name for Kinuko Y. Craft.  So far I have made 3 submissions: [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5235413] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5235997] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5236543], all of which have been moderated by you, but it still doesn't look quite right. I think I now need to merge [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?676737 676737] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2990607 2990607]. Is this correct? It seems to have taken a lot of edits to get the desired result. Could I have done this more efficiently? [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 12:32, 20 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:Yes they need to be merged. If you look at the main title for Taltos(covers)[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1255107] you will see the two identical variant cover records you have links to. To merge go to Advanced Search and click titles and search Taltos. You want Coverart results in this case the 2nd & 4th result(Parent Title & Parent Authors) match. Select and merge. This will fix things. Check Duplicates will not find this & it takes awhile to find and use Advance search for this sort of thing.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 14:01, 20 February 2022 (EST)
 
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::Merge submitted.  Thanks for your help. [[User:Teallach|Teallach]] 15:46, 20 February 2022 (EST)
 
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== The welcome templateq ==
 
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Hello Kraang,
 
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When posting the welcome template, we should be using <nowiki>{{subst:Welcome}}</nowiki> and not just <nowiki>{{welcome}}</nowiki> :) The first posts a copy of the template so if someone edits/responds, it stays on the editor's page. The latter links directly to the template if you open it. See also [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:Welcome the warning] at the top of the screen of the template itself :) Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 12:58, 25 February 2022 (EST)
 
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== The Children of Anthi and The Omcri Matrix ==
 
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Would you please look at the changes I'm proposing with these submissions for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242631 The Children of Anthi] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5242633 The Omcri Matrix]. In particular, please see if your copy shows a "Stated 1st printing" line on the copyright page of each one. My copies do not. Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 17:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:I used "Stated 1st printing" in the past when there was less detail in the notes. Mine are as yours. I'll approve now. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 19:10, 25 February 2022 (EST)
 
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:I would also drop the "Stated 1st printing" line as it's no longer relevant.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:06, 25 February 2022 (EST)
 
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== Books without sources ==
 
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Just a reminder that when you approve a non-verified book with no sources, a note on the sources needs to be added (usually the one where you checked the data in - if the editor cannot be bothered to tell us what they meant, all we can do is to verify where we know to look). I fixed [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?883505 this one], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?883506 this one], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?883504 this one], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?883507 this one], [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?883508 this one] and [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?883509 this one]. All of them also needed the number of pages to be removed from the Pages field and the ASIN added. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 00:07, 6 March 2022 (EST)
 
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:Had them on my list of books to get back to. Figured I just approve them & return later and fix them but have been busy approving submissions. Might take a day or a week but I'll always return to finish things. P.S. thanks for doing them, that list is checked off.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 15:09, 6 March 2022 (EST)
 
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:Will go back & see if there are hc, tp, or ebooks to add. The submitter of these doesn't include everything that's available.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 15:14, 6 March 2022 (EST)
 
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:: Fixer finds most of the missing ones and I add them when he does - the different formats get loaded on a different schedule to Amazon though so they come in in different batches. :) Which is how I caught these - as the ASIN was missing, Fixer submitted a few of these again so I just untangled all of them so I don’t get more duplicates. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 16:12, 6 March 2022 (EST)
 
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== Exiles at the Well of Souls ==
 
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146081 Exiles at the Well of Souls], do you mind if I change the page count to xii+337, add title "About Time ..." on pg [xii], and import missing titles:
 
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<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232675 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg ix
 
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<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232676 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg x
 
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<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232677 Appendix: Races Referred to in Exiles at the Well of Souls] on pg 331
 
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<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?787725 About the Author (Exiles at the Well of Souls)] on pg 337
 
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 07:52, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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:Looks fine submit changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:53, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Quest for the Well of Souls ==
 
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For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?146101 Quest for the Well of Souls], would you mind if I change the page count to xii+302+[1], add title "About the Author (Quest for the Well of Souls) on page [303], and import the following missing titles?
 
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<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1232679 The Wars of the Well, Part II (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg ix
 
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<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776798 Section of Southern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg x
 
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<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776797 Detail of Northern Hemisphere (map) (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg xii
 
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<br>[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1776795 Appendix I: Races of the Southern Hemisphere (Quest for the Well of Souls)] on pg 293
 
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<br>Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 08:13, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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:Looks fine submit changes.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 22:53, 15 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Charon: A Dragon at the Gate ==
 
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<br>For [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?140701 Charon: A Dragon at the Gate],  change the page count to [8]+289 and import the uncredited interior art title [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1717806 The Warden Diamond] on page [viii]. Would that be OK? Thanks! [[User:Philfreund|Phil]] 12:34, 18 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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:The change is fine with me, if you have similar updates for other PV of mine just submit them. My original submissions had only the basic info and only later was the more detailed info being added.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:40, 18 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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==Pyramid Giant==
 
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As a verifier of two Pyramid Giant publications ({{P|208253|here}} and {{P|21892|here}}). Would you please see [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Rudam#Men_Against_the_Stars this conversation]. The question is whether Pyramid Giant is a publisher or a pub series or both. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:14, 18 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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:Entered these books back in 2007 will dig them out and check.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:33, 18 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Sit Down Shut Up and Pull the Trigger ==
 
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About [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?889565 this one]. Just a reminder that we record books with the authors as credited and when moderating we are supposed to make sure of that. In this case, the cover has "Michael Todd and Michael Anderle" and the title page of the ebook has the same combination. "L. A. Starkey" is not credited anywhere (and if any of the previous books is an indication, it won't be on the paperbook title page either). This editor has issues understanding how we handle variants and credits in this situation - so he tends to submit the books not as credited but with the actual names of the authors, especially when using AddPub. I've fixed it here so just heads up to please keep an eye for that. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:12, 23 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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: PS: They also had the cover of the ebook and not the paperback - in this case they are different. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 17:14, 23 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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:: Let me add an extra heads-up about Michael Anderle. He is a "packager" these days and his name appears on (literally) dozens of books every month. He is usually co-credited with another person, but sometimes the way he does credits inside "his" books is odd. It pays to check the title pages of any new books with his name on them to see how the ostensible authors are credited. [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 18:05, 23 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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:::Noted. Thanks.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 23:03, 23 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Oops, needing Help ==
 
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Hi. Moments ago you approved two of multiple Publisher Update Submission for {{pubr|50412|name=Readers Union}}, with different mis-format links to an ISFDB.org target. After 21 months away I am reviewing in Help space some points either forgotten or easily missed by typo, and I wrote a note to familiar moderator Chris J, known to be currently at work. (I thought I would have quite the remainder of the hour, at least, given the length of the cue, <s>where I have another Publisher Update</s>.) <Br>
 
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Now I recall Moderator noticeboard which may be for such as this [[User talk:Chris J#"Help!" from Pwendt]].
 
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'''(minutes later, twice)''' Fix one matter just above. And sign.
 
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P.S. Chris J has approved the older submission, thus I strikeout abvove. And CJ may fix the other ahead of you or me. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 23:01, 25 March 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Palm Sunday: An Autobiographical Collage ==
 
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Hi. You just approved my creation of title/publication:<br>
 
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http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?896101<br>
 
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I didn't mean to create another title, I was planning to use this one, already existing:<br>
 
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I do not know how to proceed now. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 07:18, 25 April 2022 (EDT)<p>
 
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:Just use the "Delete this pub" and submit, a short note about why and the after its deleted go back & delete the Title Record[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3024801], you will see it is then empty.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 11:34, 25 April 2022 (EDT)
 
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:: I meant to create the publication, but not a new title. Can i delete the title, leaving the publication without a single title for some time, and then import the correct existing title? --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 15:54, 25 April 2022 (EDT)
 
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:::In "advanced search" you can merge the titles records. In "Advanced Search" click on titles & search "Palm Sunday: An Autobiographical Collage". You will get four results. Select the first 1981 that has the parent record & the third which is the one you created 1982 and merge the records. This will get your publication under the correct variant at the same time.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 16:17, 25 April 2022 (EDT)
 
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:::: Thank you for your help :). I have 3 pending title merges now. I hope I did it right. --[[User:Spacecow|Spacecow]] 19:02, 25 April 2022 (EDT)
 
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All approved & correct :)[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:41, 25 April 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Comment on my application ==
 
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I've applied to be a self-approver, but it's getting buried in other comments. Please weigh in either way.
 
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http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Application_for_self-approval_status_--_taweiss
 
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Thanks [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] 10:57, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Publishers project you list ==
 
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Hi. Does the publishers project you list for yourself refer to relocation of valuable info from Wiki pages to database publishers, and elimination of the Wiki pages? Or something else?
 
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Occasionally 2-6 years ago I added info to one of those Wiki pages. Generally, I don't look at them and may not notice that they exist. I suppose they are much reduced in number, now in the 2020s.
 
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Thanks for your attention as moderator. --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 11:21, 5 May 2022 (EDT)
 
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:Sometimes added to the Wiki page but 99% was on the ISFDB publishers page. I've done a lot on the updates[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?23] and merging[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/topcontrib.cgi?24]. I'm still actively interested in this area and I'm always interested in finding things to fix. Need to update the project page now that I'm back from three year break.. Submissions keep me busy.21:36, 5 May 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Thanks ==
 
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Thanks for approving [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?897519 my very first edits here]. [[User:ATorsius|ATorsius]] 13:48, 14 May 2022 (EDT)
 
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== External IDs approval ==
 
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Just heads up and a reminder: when approving external IDs and web links, please check that they belong to the edition they are added to. That's part of why we have moderation - second set of eyes and all that :) See [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Hifrommike65#Time_Was this one] for example. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 14:43, 15 June 2022 (EDT)
 
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:I do random checks on most submitters(left one problem child for others to play with) but after a while if I find no issues I only do spot checks. All new submitters I check everything. If every link has to be checked my approvals would drop to 10 percent or less and the moderator board is getting rather long.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 16:17, 15 June 2022 (EDT)
 
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:: May be a good idea to at least make sure you check them when approving changes to PVed books - not all PVs are always around to spot and fix the incorrect change and adding incorrect data to verified books is kinda making the whole verification process meaningless. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] 22:06, 15 June 2022 (EDT)
 
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::: Yeah, Special K, see the problem was that you ran through dozens of edits in a few minutes so it was clear that you weren't taking the time to look at edits closely and were just fulfilling a quota, and on the very rare (2 times) occasions when you rejected an edit you were wrong on both of them and they had to be un-rejected. If that's being a problem, hey, I got 99 problems but a Kraang ain't one. --[[User:Username|Username]] 22:50, 15 June 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Beachhead planet / edit approval ==
 
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Could you weigh in on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5345522]? Thanks. --[[User:GlennMcG|Glenn]] 16:52, 20 June 2022 (EDT)
 
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:looks fine. Is there an issue with the change?[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 17:03, 20 June 2022 (EDT)
 
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:: Nope, nothing wrong. You were entitled to a notifications as a PV. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 18:00, 20 June 2022 (EDT)
 
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== ''Dimension of Illion'' ==
 
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Today you approved my four submissions toward undoing {{a|Irving Heine}} as a pseudonym of Denis Hughes. Thanks.<br>I expected there would be leftover, never-published chapbook and shortfiction by Denis Hughes, which need to be deleted; but I don't find them. You noticed, and did that manually, I suppose (correct me if wrong). --[[User:Pwendt|Pwendt]]|[[User talk:Pwendt|talk]] 16:37, 1 July 2022 (EDT)
 
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:Yes I deleted the two title records, If your edits will leave a title record empty just leave a note to the moderator that you will do the title record deletion. Better to do them right away and not have to look at the cleanup report and wonder why it is empty. Thanks[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:18, 1 July 2022 (EDT)
 
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== The Shadow Eater ==
 
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Hello Kraang. I wanted to ask you about [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?46937 this] publication. As you can see the UK edition I have is by A. A. Attanasio not Adam Lee. I know the contents part shows that fact but the publication metadata has it as Adam Lee. Should it not be Attanasio ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 15:57, 2 July 2022 (EDT)
 
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:I'll sort it out. It needs to be unmerged. renamed and then merged back with the parent title under A. A. Attanasio. Will do it now. Thanks[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 16:24, 2 July 2022 (EDT)
 
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:: Thanks. Sorry to have caused some headache. As you may have noticed I've had a lot of books tooling up over the past few weeks (mostly Attanasio's works). --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:02, 2 July 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Sandkings ==
 
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Sorry to bug you with another question. It's about this edition of [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?310980 Sandkings].Copyright & title page has "Futura Publications". Copyright page mentions it being a division of Macdonald & Co. Oribt doesn't appear anywhere on the title page or copyright page - the Oribit logo is only on the cover & spine - note does state back cover has "Futura Publications (over) An Orbit Book" - do you think this enough evidence to change publisher to just Futura ? --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 17:09, 2 July 2022 (EDT)
 
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:No I would leave it as is. The note explains it and all the other books I looked at are very much the same.[[User:Kraang|Kraang]] 20:33, 2 July 2022 (EDT)
 
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::Thanks. --[[User:Mavmaramis|Mavmaramis]] 23:44, 2 July 2022 (EDT)
 
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== Multi User Write Access Problem ==
 
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Take a deep breath.
 
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<br>Recently, I made a pub update submission on Larry Niven's [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?42113 The Integral Trees], which you approved. Shortly afterward, Mavmaramis also made a pub update submission, which you approved. This was flagged up in My Recently Changed Primary Verifications so I looked to see what had changed and discovered that a comment I had added to the pub notes was no longer there. The comment was:
 
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<br>"Novel ends on page 235. Dramatis Personae on pages 236-237. Glossary on pages 238-240"
 
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<br>Hereafter, I shall refer to this as the Glossary Comment.
 
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<br>I immediately leapt to the obvious conclusion: Mavmaramis had deleted my comment and you had approved the deletion.  (Blood starts to boil....  :-) )
 
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<br>However, after further investigation and inspection of the edit history, I don't think that is the case at all. I think the actual explanation is considerably more alarming: we have a multi user write access problem.
 
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<br>In chronological order, the sequence of events is as follows:
 
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<br>1) 2022-06-27 07:22:39  Teallach makes submission 5350157: PubUpdate
 
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<br>2) 2022-07-01 12:53:14  Mavmaramis PVs pub record
 
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<br>3) 2022-07-01 12:56:58  Mavmaramis makes submission 5353339: PubUpdate
 
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<br>4) 2022-07-01 14:32:43  Kraang  approves Teallach's submission
 
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<br>5) 2022-07-02 13:15:00 (approx)  Teallach visually inspects the pub record to check it has been updated as expected. All looks good. The Glossary Comment is present in the pub notes.
 
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<br>6) 2022-07-02 13:16:37  Teallach PVs pub record
 
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<br>7) 2022-07-02 16:40:16  Kraang approves Mavmaramis' submission
 
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<br>8) 2022-07-02 18:00:00  (approx)  Teallach sees that The Integral Trees has been flagged up in My Recently Changed Primary Verifications, visually inspects the pub record, sees Mavmaramis' additional remarks and discovers that his Glossary Comment is missing from the pub notes.
 
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<br>So I guess what has happened is that during stage 3), Mavmaramis' submission took a copy of the Pub Notes field which, at that time, did not contain the Glossary Comment and added his own remarks. This was then held until stage 7) when it overwrote the Pub Notes field which, in the meantime, had been updated with the Glossary Comment. Therefore the Glossary Comment vanished.
 
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<br>Teallach's submission also changed other fields, such as the number of Pages. These changes have been retained. It is only the pub notes field that has been affected and I guess this is because that is the only field that was changed in both submissions.
 
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<br>Can you please advise whether you think my deductions are correct.
 
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<br>If not, can you please explain what you think has happened.
 
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== SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion ==

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SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion

Please respond at GlennMcG talk. --Glenn (talk) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)

Reeve - Station Zero

Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with this submission where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)

There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.Kraang (talk) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)
Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions 5530361 and 5530366 have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--BanjoKev (talk) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)
Wow! Thanks! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)

Daniel Boring

Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about David Boring. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —Rosab618 (talk) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)

No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.Kraang (talk) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)
Aha! I found it: [1]. I'll change it back to a review. —Rosab618 (talk) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)
I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... Annie (talk) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)

La canción de Bêlit

The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?Hyju (talk) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)

Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.Kraang (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)
the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. Hyju (talk) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)
Looking at the original (2017) Spanish text, I see the following note:
  • Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in Weird Tales in May 1934 as "The Queen of the Black Coast." The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]
This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.
I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:
  • First "quarter" -- 19%
  • Second "quarter" -- 23%
  • Third "quarter" -- 23%
  • Fourth "quarter" -- 21%
  • Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay "The Hyborian Age" -- 12%
This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". Ahasuerus (talk) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)
Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).Hyju (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)

Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)

A second book was published A canção de Bêlit: a última jornadaHyju (talk) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)

I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. Hyju (talk) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)

Pwendt for self-approver

Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --Pwendt|talk 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)

Back form short holiday will support self-approver.Kraang (talk) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)

Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem

You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the Novella record as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. Teallach (talk) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)

Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)
I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)
Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.Kraang (talk) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)
All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. Teallach (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)

Link fix

Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)

Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest

Hi, re your PV here, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom Taweiss regarding Fawcett covers and this 1970 printing. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)

I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)

Self-Approver

Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-Moderation_Request? --Stoecker (talk) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)

:)

Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.Kraang (talk) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

Signet -> Signet / New American Library

Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library

--Spacecow (talk) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)

Please submit the change. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)

:)

Many thanks! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)Kraang (talk) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

Happy to help. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)

Incorrect info added to database

Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).

I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.

The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023. We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)

The six magazine issues so far are the following:

Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine
Issue number detail Pub record Incorrect
Issue 1 December 2020 #913217 #950021
Issue 2 April 2021 #914003 #950023
Issue 3 August 2021 #914004
Issue 4 December 2021 #914005
Issue 5 August 2022 #915288
Issue 6 April 2023 #950024


As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!

--Pugno (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.Kraang (talk) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.Kraang (talk) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears here. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!
Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!
--Pugno (talk) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.Kraang (talk) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!
--Pugno (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)

Not a Variant

Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.

Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine (December 2020) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeus" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').

I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:

1) Submission #5661908 to change the short story title (Title Record #3076119)

2) Submission #5661909 to change the interiorart title (Title Record #3076118)

The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).

However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a variant of the old name, which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.

It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]

Can you please help with this?

I believe that deleting this record would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.

Thanks.

--Pugno (talk) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".Kraang (talk) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --Pugno (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

Live Free or Die

Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your verified. Annie (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)

Abhorsen

Hello,

Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: this should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! Annie (talk) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)

Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars

Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd pub here. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)

Also to The Monadic Universe. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)Kraang (talk) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)

Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy

Hello, with regard to your Canadian edition, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the US edition which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)

The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.Kraang (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)

Cat People

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5675093; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --Username (talk) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.Kraang (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I

Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for this title. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)

No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.Kraang (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)
:) thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)
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