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"Voyage of the Star Wolf"

When I want to make a variant of [1] you rejected it. When I want to merge the titles you rejected it and make a variant. What have I done wrong? Rudam 08:07, 22 Apr 2007 (CDT)

The MakeVariant you submitted (sorry, not currently available to non-moderators) looked like this:

Column	Current Title [Record #542697]	Proposed Parent (New)
Title	The Voyage of the Star Wolf	The Voyage of the Star Wolf
Year	1990-00-00	1990-00-00
TitleType	NOVEL	NOVEL
Authors	David Gerrold	David Gerrold

while the one I did was:

Column	Current Title [Record #542697]	Proposed Parent (Exists)
Title	Voyage of the Star Wolf	The Voyage of the Star Wolf
Year	1990-11-00	1990-00-00
TitleType	NOVEL	NOVEL
Authors	David Gerrold	David Gerrold

See Help:Screen:MakeVariant: the proper process was go to 542697, click "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" and then just put "458" in the very first input field "Parent #" and click on the first "Submit!" button just below it. You apparently did something else using the second part of the form, intended for cases "If the parent title does not exist...", which happen very rarely now. Perhaps you put the # in correctly, but then didn't notice you were mis-clicking on the wrong "Submit!" button at the bottom? --JVjr 11:02, 23 Apr 2007 (CDT)

You're right! I remember that I click on the lower second button to submit. My fault!

I've make later a variant of another title and use the first button to submit and that was verified as correct.

Thanks for your detailed answer Rudam 12:09, 23 Apr 2007 (CDT)

Re: Introdution to The Best From Fantasy...5Th series

Hi, i had a look and have corrected my spelling mistake, and have added a note to better explain about the intro. :-)Kraang 19:58, 1 May 2007 (CDT)

Oops

I just approved one of your pub-deletes [2] by accident. Hopefully you did not have it parked in the queue for a reason. Marc Kupper (talk) 04:05, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

No, this was just one of the last two edits I submitted before I had to go offline, and didn't have any more time for approving them.

Although my other hanging edits are the case that after submitting them I got second thoughts, or wasn't sure in the first place, and instead of spending time starting a discussion I hoped that another moderator would look at them and either approve them, or voice a complaint :-) --JVjr 13:47, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

re: The hanging edits. I believe it would be best for you to start wiki pages to let people know you do want attention put on the edits and more important, to explain what research you have done so that others don't spend time reinventing the wheel. Marc Kupper (talk) 15:42, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

The Green Girl

With submission http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/mod/tv_merge.cgi?557177 you want to merge two a SHORTFICTION with a NOVEL for The Green Girl by Jack_Williamson with the final result being a Novel though with a storylen of nv (novelette). The title records for this title are

• 113371 The Green Girl (Part 1 of 2) SERIAL appearance in Amazing Stories, March 1930
• 113372 The Green Girl (Part 2 of 2) SERIAL appearance in Amazing Stories, April 1930
• 3505 The Green Girl SERIAL - no publications
• 472331 The Green Girl SHORTFICTION - appears in one collection, The Metal Man and Others: The Collected Stories of Jack Williamson, Volume 1 (1999)

Just looking at that I'd approve the merge but change title record 3505 so that it's a shortfiction as the story has not appeared as a standalone novel or as part of a dos-a-dos.

Further research:

• Abebooks does find a novel [3] and so ignore my previous comment about approving the merge... Here's a constructed pub-entry for the novel based on the Abebook listings.
  • title: The Green Girl (An Avon Fantasy Novel #2)
  • Author: Jack Williamson
  • Date: 1950-00-00
  • Publisher: Avon Books, New York
  • Pages: 125 (listed by 8 sellers)
  • Binding: pb
  • Catalog: B0007EMI9A (this is the Amazon ASIN as the publication's Catalog # is unknown)
  • Images at http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0007EMI9A
    • [4] - the best
    • [5] - cute title note - see the Amazon images page.
    • [6] - the back along with a cute title note
    • Too bad ISFDB does not support multiple images as it's nice to have the back. In looking at the back I wonder if that's why the story is in a 1999 collection. The price must either be not stated or on the spine. It's also not clear where in the book it says "Avon fantasy novels #2" though multiple Abebook sellers mention this.
  • Publication notes:
    • ISFDB record constructed from about 20 Abebooks seller listings and thus may not be reliable.
    • The cover price is not visible on the front or back cover but may be on the spine.
    • The cover says "Complete and unabridged" implying it's the same text as what appeared in the 1930 magazine serial.
    • One seller says "Originally published in a 1930 volume of Amazing Stories" though it's not clear if that's a statement in the publication or something the seller knows from other sources.
    • The cover artist is unknown and may not be stated as none of the Abebook sellers mention it.
    • Multiple Abebook sellers plus Amazon mention the book is "An Avon Fantasy Novel #2" but that text is not visible on the front or back cover though it may be in the round logo in the upper/left corner of the front cover.
• Locus has
  • http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/t15.html#A1970 - Contents for the collect ISFDB already has The Collected Stories of Jack Williamson, Volume One: The Metal Man and Others and also mentions the magazine appearance as Amazing Mar 1930 (+1)
  • http://www.locusmag.com/index/yr1999/s78.html#A3357.11 - Williams biblio - does not mention the Avon appearance.
• Contendo did not index this - No surprise there as he does anthologies.
• Fantastic Fiction has a page [7] and lists the Avon publication along with an Amazon link for it.

Conclusion:

• Reject the merge and instead update title 472331 so that it is "The Green Girl (Complete Novel)" of type SERIAL. I suspect it is the complete novel though it uses 98 pages in the collection while the Avon novel is 125 pages. The magazines don't have page numbers.
• Add the Avon publication to title 3505.
• That will get the story displayed under novels and the three appearances (novel, collection, and magazine) will appear together.

I attempted to find a table of contents for the magazines to get the page numbers.

• http://hycyber.com/SF/amazing_na.html calls it "The Green Girl (Part I), March, 1930." and "The Green Girl (Conclusion), April, 1930." In other words, it may be titled "(Conclusion)" in the magazine and not "(Part 2 of 2)" though other pages use (2/2).
• I could not locate a contents list with page numbers but then did not inspect all 700 web pages...

Marc Kupper (talk) 15:38, 6 May 2007 (CDT)

It so happens that I have this edition in my collection, so I should be able to verify it circa May 25. It sports one of the more lurid US covers and I it has always been my guess that it was an attempt to test whether the US paperback market would like that kind of pulpish art. Presumably it didn't, which is why post-1950 US paperback tended to be more subdued. As an aside, 1950s UK paperback covers tended to be significantly more lurid and some of them are quite collectible now :) Ahasuerus 20:45, 6 May 2007 (CDT)