User talk:Ofearna/Archive27
Joe Hill's Full Throttle
Hello, Susan. I've got a question about your verified http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?737436. This publisher's signed edition has a different ISBN than the publisher's trade edition (ref http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2609355) but it doesn't have a stated limit for the printing. Can you tell whether or not Joe Hill's signature on the tipped-in publisher's page is an autopen signature? I've got 4 verified Joe Hill signatures. All are with a thin-point felt-tip pen, with slightly varied pressure at start and stop of lines. Auto-pen signatures are usually signed with ballpoint and constant pressure. Thanks in advance for any feedback on this. Markwood 15:54, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
- Do you want me to scan the signature tonight? Susan O'Fearna 17:17, 16 October 2019 (EDT)
- If that's not a hassle, sure, but if scanning/emailing's a hassle for you, just a quick description is fine. My email is mark_wood74@hotmail.com. Thanks! Markwood 11:45, 18 October 2019 (EDT)
- it'll have to be after work, but sure Susan O'Fearna 12:48, 18 October 2019 (EDT)
- Not scanned, but photo'd with my phone... the signature itself feels like ball-point and I can find no reference to how limited it was. Susan O'Fearna 01:35, 17 June 2020 (EDT)
Hunt & Faerie Novice
Hello Susan. Related to your varianting submission here which I have on hold at the moment, you made a note that these two versions of the novel are considerably different. If so, it should be considered two distinct novels, and no variants. My recommendation would be to keep two separate records, and clarify their relationship in the notes of both title records. (it might be opportune to link them via a title series). Is that Ok with you? Regards MagicUnk 16:25, 4 May 2020 (EDT)
- If you think that's the way it should be... then the series will have 2 #1's Susan O'Fearna 16:40, 4 May 2020 (EDT)
- I agree, that's a bit weird. But wait, let me ask over at the helpdesk if there's a better solution. MagicUnk 03:38, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
- Cool Susan O'Fearna 03:41, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
- Hi Susan, looks like it's best to have Faerie Novice as a separate title record - see here for Annie's response. If you could confirm that, indeed, it is a major rewrite, then I'll reject your varianting submission. An you can then add notes to both title records to document why they're different. Regards, MagicUnk 11:01, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
- OK, I cancelled the submission and re-added it as a non-a-variant of its original version Susan O'Fearna 05:35, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
- Thanks Susan! MagicUnk 15:05, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
- Susan O'Fearna 15:45, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
- I sorted out the series. If the author reworked the whole series, we usually create a new (revised) series for the new titles. I will keep an eye on the series. Annie 16:17, 7 May 2020 (EDT)
- okay .. book 2 was re-written as Faery Prophet ASIN B07HRZYTWX and book 3 as Faery Sovereign B07NJ5K5CZ Susan O'Fearna 01:51, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
- Damn! now "All the Words in All the Worlds" is out of order... 10 comes after 9! Susan O'Fearna 20:32, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
The Fear that Kills
If I approve this, the poem will get deleted after the reports run in 24 hours. So where was that poem published? If it is in an eligible publication, I can add it. If it is not, then the poem is not eligible for addition UNTIL it is officially published in an eligible publication. So... where was it published? Annie 01:19, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
- http://www.vestalreview.net/issue20.html - it **was** here but someone deleted it Susan O'Fearna 01:23, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
- Does not matter - we are not a "what is available" site, we are a bibliography site. Things do not get deleted because they do not exist anymore or because someone decided to pull it from somewhere.
- It used to be there (so it was published) AND Archive.com has it (even without it, it is still published but that makes it even clearer. So as long as Vestal Review is eligible, it can be added (with a note that it was removed from the site if need be).
- I am not sure that Vestal Review (as a webzine) is eligible though - we do not just add any speculative story/poem we find, even from above threshold authors. I know you can buy a print version of the current issue and at least since issue 35. Was that also true for #20? If not, we may have a problem because I do not think it falls under any of the following:
- downloadable e-zines
- Internet-based publications which are downloadable as electronic files in any number of ebook formats (ePub, Mobi, PDF, etc).
- Speculative fiction webzines, which are defined as online periodicals with distinct issues (note: online periodicals without distinct::*issues are not considered webzines)
- Special speculative fiction issues of non-genre webzines
- These are the only categories under which webzines are eligible. However, if there was a print issue via Lulu or any other printer, we add based in that. If not, we cannot - and it will need to wait a further expansion of the rules (to allow non-speculative webzines partial addition as we allow with printed and e-magazines for example). Annie 01:59, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
- when it first came out you could download the entire e-zine and even then you could access just one article/page at a time... Susan O'Fearna 02:04, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
- Download the pages as HTML files (which will make it ineligible - you can do that with any site) or download as (ePub, Mobi, PDF, etc - making it an ebook)? I know that it sounds like splitting hairs (I can download anything and send it to the kindle thus making it an ebook easily but if there is no direct download in one of the formats, it does not count) and I know you care for that author but if we ignore the rules here, anyone can make the same case for any story/poem online :) Annie 02:10, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
- When this e-zine came out there were not pdf or ebooks -- even Kindle was just beginning so all ezines at that time were purely html. Susan O'Fearna 03:34, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
- So, if that poem is from an all-around SpecFic author but the only place it was ever published was an early ezine before the age of pdf's it doesn't appear in the database? Wouldn't that make this database ... incomplete by at least one poem? :) Susan O'Fearna 19:58, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
- We do not claim completeness - and a lot of authors have works which are ineligible. We catalog "published" spec-fic as we define it. And we catalog publications, not titles :) Is that poem considered spec-fic?
- Until the last change in the rules, no webzines were eligible at all unless they are shortlisted for an award or were a SFWA paying market. I have this specific ezine on my research list for the weekend. Let me see what I can find out and if I can find a rule that will allow it in. Annie 20:30, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
- So, if that poem is from an all-around SpecFic author but the only place it was ever published was an early ezine before the age of pdf's it doesn't appear in the database? Wouldn't that make this database ... incomplete by at least one poem? :) Susan O'Fearna 19:58, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
- https://ofearna.us/books/nkh/TheFearThatKills.pdf -- I think it's spec fic and love it ☻♥☺☻♥ Susan O'Fearna 20:49, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
- I like it - but I am not entirely sure it is spec-fic... Poetry is tricky. As I said - let me see what I can find... Annie 20:53, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Existing ASINs and new ASINs
Hello,
If a book has a new ASIN, then there are two options:
- Amazon reissued the same book with a new ASIN. In this case, add the new ASIN, do not replace the old one. Add the note that old is invalid as of (date) but leave it in place. That allows the search by ASIN to find it for a duplicate not to be added.
- The new ASIN is actually a new edition of the book - in this case, leave the old book alone and clone for a new one.
Even if the ASIN does not work on Amazon anymore (because they removed it), this is the ASIN for this specific ebook that we have in the DB and it can be used for finding the book in Goodreads and other places (sometimes it was even printed inside of the original book). We are a bibliography site, we catalog the history - we do not delete and destroy historical information just because Amazon (or any other site) decided to remove a book OR decided to reissue with a new ASIN or something along these lines... Annie 02:07, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
- not sure what book you're telling me about here, but OK Susan O'Fearna 18:16, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
- Oh, I was just trying to get the ASIN: B004C05HJI (AU BR CA CN DE ES FR IN IT JP MX NL TR UAE UK US) links to work b/c amazon keeps changing the stupid ASIN numbers on some books! Susan O'Fearna 19:26, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
- I know but the fact that the link is invalid in Amazon does not mean the ASIN is invalid for the book at the time of issuance. They are invalid on Amazon now because Amazon is reissuing or swapping ASINs for some marketing reason - does not make the old one less valid at some point. We had been talking about adding Goodreads on the ASIN line - and that link would have worked.
- So either just add the second ASIN (if you think it is exactly the same book aka a marketing trick) or clone for the new ASIN (if it is a different cover or year and so on). There are some ASINs that are dead on arrival but the reissued ones are like new ISBNs or later printings. Otherwise, you will swap and a few weeks/months later, someone will add the swapped out ASIN as a new book because this is what they have (or had found).
- I know that ASIN started as just Amazon IDs but in the last years it had become almost like an ISBN for ebooks -- printed inside of the books even very often lately :) Annie 19:43, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
Adventures in the Dream Trade
Ebooks here in the DB have no page numbers for the contents or the overall page numbers unless they are PDFs or other formats which come with pre-defined pages (and even then the rules are a bit grey). So we use |Number to order. I approved your change to this one because you were adding contents but then fixed the page numbers.
If this ebook actually is in a format with pages, please add that in the notes and then the contents can have page numbers. Otherwise, prefix the numbers with | when using them strictly to order the contents. Thanks! Annie 21:16, 29 May 2020 (EDT)
- I can send you the ebook (not on here, of course) and you can figure out how it should be? I'm trying to find the contents as they're listed oddly here in Adventures Susan O'Fearna 03:35, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
Confessions: On Astro City and Kurt Busiek
The series you are trying to add here is for the essays at the last page of F&SF. Was this specific essay in one of the issues? If so, which one? Thanks! Annie 04:40, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
- Nope, just cancelled thanks! Susan O'Fearna 04:42, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
- Perfect. I added a description to the series so it is clearer what exactly the series is :) Annie 04:52, 30 May 2020 (EDT)
- It is kind of unsettling that some stories that start that way are "series" but not all ☻ Susan O'Fearna 06:36, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Import tip
Hi. I accepted your various imports for Adventures in the Dream Trade, but I have a tip for you: If you're importing contents from a newer publication into an older one, the too-new content title dates do not get adjusted automatically. And if the import were accepted, then each errant title would need to be edited individually (because the interface does not allow in-publication "bulk" changing of contents shared by other publication records). It's MUCH easier if you first go to the publication from which you're going to import and adjust the dates via Edit Publication and copy+paste there. That can be done as a single edit and submission. Then do the import. You do not have to wait for the date changes to be accepted before submitting the import -- the right thing will happen.
In this case, once I saw what would happen, I held the imports and went and did the bulk edit on the original pub (you'll see this in your notifications about changes to your verified pubs). Then I accepted the imports, an all looks good to me. Just a tip to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --MartyD 08:00, 7 June 2020 (EDT)
- OK, thanks Susan O'Fearna 08:10, 7 June 2020 (EDT)
Page numbering for ebooks
Hello Susan. I have three of your submissions that want to add page numbers to the contents titles of ebooks on hold for the moment. As ebooks and page numbers do not really make much sense (excepted for a pdf version perhaps), we do not record page numbers for ebooks at all. Instead, to preserve the order the contents titles appear in, we use the piping symbol. For example, using |1, |2, and so on, ensures no page numbers are shown, but still the order is retained. If you could let me know that preserving the order is what you want to do, I'll approve and update accordingly. Regards, MagicUnk 15:30, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
- I've notices *someone* changing them to [#]... either works for me Susan O'Fearna 19:01, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
- I'll try to remember to do that :) Susan O'Fearna 20:28, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
- And again: I had to add the |... If it is an ebook and it is not a numbered format (think PDF), you always need | before the number. :) Annie 18:31, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
- If you'll approve those, I'll go fix the #s Susan O'Fearna 06:35, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
Gods & Tulips
You cannot have "No ISBN" in the notes and adding an ISBN at the same time here. And a 1999 book cannot have a ISBN-13 - if your book has the ISBN printed this way, you are holding a reprint and this record needs to be cloned for it (and your verification moved). Please let me know what needs to be adjusted and I can approve and fix but if I approve, this record will make no sense at all... Annie 19:58, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
- Sorry, that "NO ISBN" is from some old notes (not mine). I have the comic-book format and the PDF (twice) all 3 have the 978 ISBN on them 20:28, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
- Then they cannot be this first printing from 1999 - ISBN13 did not exist back then. Clone and create a new one with the ISBN... Annie 01:21, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
- OK, I've cloned it Susan O'Fearna 06:35, 11 June 2020 (EDT)
A Brother's Price / A Stir of Bones
This publication has a format of ebook & this one has a format of pb. However, both appear to actually be an audio book (narrator listed, Audible-ASIN). Would you please double check? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:01, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
- Pending to change both to audios Susan O'Fearna 20:26, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
- Cool, thanks Susan O'Fearna 01:19, 10 June 2020 (EDT)
New World
I accepted New World, but changed the publisher from CreateSpace to the author. CreateSpace is not really a publisher; they fill the role of a printer more. We have moved to crediting the author when it is a self-published and there is no publisher statement. We still have plenty of older pubs with CreateSpace, but have avoided using it for new ones. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:51, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
- OOP, dagnabbit. Thanks Susan O'Fearna 15:35, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
Katzenkrallen & Vampirliebe
You were trying to unmerge the NOVEL from inside of the omnibus here. Of course it is a different cover but this is the NOVEL record, not the cover one. The cover one is this one - and these two are the same -- within what we allow for variants (the changed focus). The covers are not merged in any way or form between the omnibus and the novel and the text is indeed the same (thus the same novel record). Annie 16:57, 29 July 2020 (EDT)
- Odd, I'd clicked on the COVER... by Tony Mauro. Susan O'Fearna 23:12, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
- The omnibus does not have a cover record at the moment -- my sources did not have it and I rarely go looking for this. Maybe you had two tabs open and you mixed them up? Although it does seem to share a cover with the other novel and the English one has the artist so I can add those later today. Annie 23:22, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Blood Rites
In Blood Rites, the price is given as "Penguin Audio". Would you please fix? Thanks! -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:10, 1 August 2020 (EDT)
- D'OH, fixed it! Susan O'Fearna 19:22, 3 August 2020 (EDT)
Subterranean: Tales of Dark Fantasy
For this edit:
- Is this record for a single piece of interior art or multiple? The pub notes imply is it for multiple.
- Is this art work titles "Caverns of Mystery" within the publication?
Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:20, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
- it says graphic novel at subpress but in the book by VChong it's just one pic...
- I'll ask William ! Susan O'Fearna 15:42, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
- He says there were 2 images... one was for that Kage Baker story - both images are at https://vincentchongart.myportfolio.com/book-illustration-gallery-vi Susan O'Fearna 16:36, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
- Can you ask him if the other one was for a specific story (and which) also? In the meantime, I have updated the publications to add a second record for the "Caverns of Mystery" artwork and updated the notes. The current generic name has been left for the unknown one (if we get an answer on it illustrates a specific story, then we can update that name also). I merged the new record with the one from Altered Visions: The Art of Vincent Chong. Thanks for finding this! -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:10, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
- He says there were 2 images... one was for that Kage Baker story - both images are at https://vincentchongart.myportfolio.com/book-illustration-gallery-vi Susan O'Fearna 16:36, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
Heart-Shaped Box clone
For this clone, the provided ISBN is invalid. Is there a typo in the number? Also, what is the source for this record? That should be provided when submitted. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:22, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
- I got the ISBN from https://marco675.wixsite.com/joehillbibliography/kopie-van-strange-weather-2 ... Susan O'Fearna 15:27, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
- I've asked for a photo or scan of the © page ... Susan O'Fearna 19:22, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
Heart-Shaped Box interior art
For this edit and this edit: I want to make sure I'm interpreting your note correctly. All four Subterranean Press versions of this publication had two images? If the 2007 and 2009 printing (or the regular & deluxe editions) had different versions, we would not add numbers to the titles. Numbers are only used when disambiguation is needed within a publication. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:29, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
- there were 5 subpress (limited, deluxe, lettered, 2nd limited and 2nd deluxe) -- the 2 deluxe and the lettered had the deleted chapter and the 2 interior illos. Susan O'Fearna 15:43, 7 August 2020 (EDT)
- I accepted your edits so the notes would not be lost, but had to make changes. We use brackets and not parenthesis for disambiguating art titles. We also don't add [1] to the first one. We leave that unnumbered. I also updated the pubs so that the deluxe & lettered have both art records, but the regular does not. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:43, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
- Thanks it *was* getting confusing :) Susan O'Fearna 19:22, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
Polish Pet Sematary variant
Hi. Sorry if this is a dumb question, but why create a Polish variant of "Pet Sematary" with no publication? Thanks. --MartyD 16:39, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
- I was trying to add the variant... Susan O'Fearna 01:11, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
- Ok, still not sure, but I accepted it. We generally don't want variant titles without a publication containing them. Publication-less parents are ok, since they can be used to contain canonical forms and original languages. Anyway, I'll leave it to you. Thanks. --MartyD 17:53, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
- I added a publication to it! Susan O'Fearna 19:21, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
Chong variant
Hi. Is this submission correcr? All of your others were making interiorart variants of coverart entries. The two names here don't quite sound like they'd be describing the same thing. So I figured I should double-check. Thanks. --MartyD 17:04, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
- "Magazine art for INTERZONE #217 [inspired bt the story 'The Ships Like Clouds, Risen by their Rain' by Jason Sanford] Susan O'Fearna 01:11, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
- Got it, thanks. Approved it. --MartyD 17:54, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
- Grazie! Susan O'Fearna 19:21, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
- Got it, thanks. Approved it. --MartyD 17:54, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
Ghost Story
Looking at the edit history of Ghost Story, this was changed to add "Third printing by number line" several years ago. This was done after you verified it. We now have a new first printing record. Please check which one you have and if you do have the first printing, please unverify the third printing and verify the first printing. Sorry about this. The moderator who approved the change several years ago should have caught it, but didn't. I noticed when handling the recent clean up of the date. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:04, 8 August 2020 (EDT)
- I'm up to Proven Guilty... when I get to that book and pull it out, I'll check Susan O'Fearna 01:13, 10 August 2020 (EDT)
Lśnienie
Hello Susan. Concerning your submission of the Polish translation of The Shining you submitted, I wanted to let you know that the Transliterated title field is not for translations, rather, for transliteration, meaning removal of accented characters and the like. I've updated that for you. Also, I've updated the price from 36,00 zł to zł 36.00 as we use period as decimal separator, as well as have the currency in front of the value. Regards, MagicUnk 14:57, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- Thanks so much!!! 15:12, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- You're welcome. Also, for translations do add the translator as well (using the tr template) - done that for you too :) MagicUnk 15:13, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- Thanks, so all I have to do is make them variants of the English language originals! Susan O'Fearna 15:27, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- Yup :) MagicUnk 15:31, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- Well, I added the cover for Cujo first... Susan O'Fearna 15:44, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- Just chiming in with a reminder that the ISBN should not be added as an ASIN - in this case 8376488090 is just ISBN10 - there are very limited set of cases outside of Audible books (and there usually it is the AudibleASIN) where an ASIN will not start with a B). I will pull it out while adding some more Polish sources to this one but just heads up. :) Annie 15:47, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- Get this: on my iPad the amazon link doesn't work on the menu to the left, but the country links at the right of the ASIN does! weird. I wasn't sure it'd work with the foreign language, tho that's why I added it to that one. Susan O'Fearna 15:51, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- It is a known issue with this menu on IOS - I have the same issue on my phone :). Probably should remind someone to look into it or change the design of the pull down menus :) And yes - they work - if they are the ISBN10, they work (the left menu always uses ISBN10 to make an ASIN link actually - this is why now that we have ISBNs starting with 979 (which cannot have ISBN10), we also record the ASINs for paper books for these - as these are real B-starting ASINs. Hope that makes (some) sense. Or do you mean that this specific link does not work? It works for me from the laptop... Annie 15:57, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- Couple more small changes - the link goes on the book, not the title record (now that we have Web pages inside of publications) and I fixed the transliteration on the coverart and the title records (once created, they all need to be adjusted manually when they need changes :) I think this one looks better now. :) Annie 16:00, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
- Thanks! Susan O'Fearna 16:03, 13 August 2020 (EDT)
Covers and languages
Hello,
Please keep in mind that we keep the language of the text and the art titles in sync - so when adding a cover to a non-English publication, please do not import the English language cover but instead add a new cover and variant it to the English one post-approval. Even if the title is an exact match otherwise. I had to reject a few imports like that in the last few days so thought I would stop by and post a reminder. Thanks! Annie 03:05, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
- Same applies for differently named books. For example here, you imported the cover directly (which I approved by mistake and then fixed). If the book you plan to import into have a different title or language, add a new cover and variant later. That way we keep track of what is used where on author pages and follow the same rules we follow for text items - new title means new record :) Thanks! Annie 03:08, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
Faerie Tale
Regarding this edit: The pub notes specify "artist not credited and no signature visible". Since you are adding a cover credit from a secondary source, you must credit the source in the pub notes. What is the source for this edit? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:58, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
Same for this edit. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:04, 23 August 2020 (EDT)
- They're both on hold, so I can't edit the submissions, but both are images used in other printings/editions of those novels Susan O'Fearna 00:09, 24 August 2020 (EDT)
- Thank You Susan O'Fearna 02:30, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
Stakeot
Hello Susan, I have your submission on hold for a moment as I suspect there has been a typo in the title of the INTERIORART work here? Could you have a look? Thanks! MagicUnk 07:38, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
- I can't fix the typo until the pending edit has been complete Susan O'Fearna 12:56, 25 August 2020 (EDT)
- Thanks, that's super helpful :-) Susan O'Fearna 15:58, 25 August 2020 (EDT)