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:::* Errors and mistakes: the same way it happens now - either via a cleanup report or via someone seeing it in the Recent Changes (or stumbling on it later)
 
:::* Errors and mistakes: the same way it happens now - either via a cleanup report or via someone seeing it in the Recent Changes (or stumbling on it later)
 
:::If you prefer to still stay under moderation for awhile longer, that's ok as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)
 
:::If you prefer to still stay under moderation for awhile longer, that's ok as well. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 18:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)
:::: Okay, I'll post a request on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-moderation Community Support board]. Thanks. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:54, 20 September 2022 (EDT)
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:::: Okay, I'll post a request on the [https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Self-moderation:_Zapp Community Support board]. Thanks. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 16:54, 20 September 2022 (EDT)
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::::: Congratulations, you are now a self-approver :-) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] ([[User talk:Ahasuerus|talk]]) 16:08, 29 September 2022 (EDT)
  
 
== Magazines series ==
 
== Magazines series ==
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If the fiction title in a CHAPBOOK is flagged juvenile, then the container tile must also be flagged (and vice-versa). I fixed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3081666 this one]. They appear on the exception report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?242 here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:29, 27 September 2022 (EDT)
 
If the fiction title in a CHAPBOOK is flagged juvenile, then the container tile must also be flagged (and vice-versa). I fixed [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?3081666 this one]. They appear on the exception report [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?242 here]. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 11:29, 27 September 2022 (EDT)
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==  The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2022  ==
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Please be careful when adding external IDs - they need to match the edition. [https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09WJZ387D This ASIN] is the paper issue, not the ebook (the fact that Amazon adds shipping tells you it is a physical book and not an ebook - among other clues on the page). I removed it from the [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?875782 ebook record]. Thanks! [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:46, 4 October 2022 (EDT)
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: Same for [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?912554 the March/April issue]. If you had done a lot of these in the last days, you may want to recheck all of them (welcome to self-moderation - you always recheck your work because you do not have someone checking every edit) :)  [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 11:49, 4 October 2022 (EDT)
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:: I saw but You've been faster. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] 12:32, 4 October 2022 (EDT)
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::: I am the PV of the first (thus seeing the change as soon as I opened the site for the day) and I just checked the rest of 2022 while I had the EDITOR record open anyway :) [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 13:57, 5 October 2022 (EDT)
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== Avi Loeb novel? ==
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Hi, it seems you established all the variants of titles by [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?352513 Avi Loeb]. But judging from Amazon and Loeb's Wikipedia entry "Extraterrestrial" ain't a novel but "a popular science account" (Wikipedia), and thus not eligible for our database. From where does the NOVEL title type stem? Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 01:46, 21 October 2022 (EDT)
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The German version also was reviewed as a piece of nonfiction in an issue of "Spektrum der Wissenschaft". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:23, 21 October 2022 (EDT)
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: As I understood from the reviews, it is a speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observations:<br>"Harvard’s top astronomer lays out his controversial theory that our solar system was recently visited by advanced alien technology from a distant star.<br>In late 2017, scientists at a Hawaiian observatory glimpsed an object soaring through our inner solar system, moving so quickly that it could only have come from another star. Avi Loeb, Harvard’s top astronomer, showed it was not an asteroid; it was moving too fast along a strange orbit, and left no trail of gas or debris in its wake. There was only one conceivable explanation: the object was a piece of advanced technology created by a distant alien civilization.<br>In Extraterrestrial, Loeb takes listeners inside the thrilling story of the first interstellar visitor to be spotted in our solar system. He outlines his controversial theory and its profound implications: for science, for religion, and for the future of our species and our planet. A mind-bending journey through the furthest reaches of science, space-time, and the human imagination, Extraterrestrial challenges listeners to aim for the stars - and to think critically about what’s out there, no matter how strange it seems."<br>Maybe it's NONFICTION ? Or an essay ? I'm going to read it. --[[User:Zapp|Zapp]] ([[User talk:Zapp|talk]]) 11:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)
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:: "speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observation" will be etranslations ligible ONLY if it is fiction. Non-fictional speculative accounts (historical What-If, "is there life on other planets" and so on) are not eligible - the only non-fiction eligible to be added is non-fiction related to speculative fiction. [[User:Anniemod|Annie]] ([[User talk:Anniemod|talk]]) 14:40, 21 October 2022 (EDT)
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::: The review describes it partly as an account of the obect's discovery and partly as a discussion if it might be an alien artifact (and that's the part where the speculation comes in, as Loeb is in favor of this interpretation); so, nonfiction it is. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 04:53, 22 October 2022 (EDT)
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:::: FYI, all these titles showed up on [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 Publications with Invalid Page Numbers] exception report. Only Arabic numerals are allowed in the pipe sort field. I fixed them before I saw this thread. [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 08:13, 23 October 2022 (EDT)
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::::: I've got a copy of the German edition at hand, and it ''is'' a (non-eligible) piece of nonfiction, so I'm going to delete some of the publications & titles (the other translations). Would you please help to delete (perhaps the English ones)?
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::::: For future additions: please apply more caution when entering new titles (just because something looks like a novel doesn't mean it has to be one). Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:20, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
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:::::  And one more thing: we do enter subtitles without a space between the title proper and the colon, so the title should have been entered as "Außerirdisch: Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten" instead of "Außerirdisch : Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten". Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 09:27, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
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:::::: By now, I've deleted all the titles, and read some relevant chapters: it seems to be possible that it was in fact an artifact that passed in 2017 through the Solar System. It's really a pity that we'll never know! Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] ([[User talk:Stonecreek|talk]]) 11:47, 8 November 2022 (EST)
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::::::: I've been very busy the last time, so I paused here. I read the book, too, and found out it was in fact a nonfiction scientific book with parts of the author's biography. It comes close to other UFO declearing texts.

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Exhalation

Regarding this submission: I'm not seeing any artwork at the provided source that is titled "Exhalation". There are only 2 clear book covers, but neither are for a book titled Exhalation. Can you please clarify? -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:00, 5 September 2022 (EDT)

Artworks on that site are not entitled. Count #14 is this one. --Zapp 13:22, 5 September 2022 (EDT)
That is the cover for Faction: Kiwi Comic Anthology, Issue 1. It is also the same artwork used for CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention (which credited Broadmore for it). What is your source that this same artwork was used for a book titled Exhalation and that it is the Exhalation that appeared in CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention? Have you checked with Rtrace? He is pretty detailed and I would think that if the coverart for CoNZealand: 78th World Science Fiction Convention had appeared within the pub twice, he would have varianted it. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:24, 5 September 2022 (EDT)
Ups, I confused coverart and interiorart, Sorry. --Zapp 14:32, 5 September 2022 (EDT)

Varianting into another variant

Hi, I rejected your varianting a Swedish John Rackham title into a Swedisch John T. Phillifent title not only for the reason stated here (top), but also because you have put the translator only into the new variant. If the John T. Phillifent title gets varianted against its English original we'll lose the translator, because the then empty Swedish title has no publications and gets deleted. Always put the translator in the original translated work, and preferably variant against the original title.--Dirk P Broer (talk) 03:52, 13 September 2022 (EDT)

Excerpts?

I'm holding these two submissions, Das dunkle Feuer & Riley : Das Mädchen im Licht. Are these excerpts? You refer to them as 'appending advertising' in the notes to the publications in which they occur. Since the titles are exactly the same as the related titles, we append " (excerpt)". 'Das dunkle Feuer (excerpt)' & 'Riley: Das Mädchen im Licht (excerpt)'. (note my removal of the space in the second title). No need to resubmit, let me know and I will approve your submissions and make the changes. John Scifibones 16:30, 14 September 2022 (EDT)

Yes, these are indeed excerpts as previews for the complete novels. --Zapp (talk) 16:46, 14 September 2022 (EDT)
Approved and updated. In the future, consider adding identifying information in the excerpt title note. 'First chapter', 'first 8 pages' 'the first story in the collection', etc. Any information which can help to determine whether subsequent excerpts need to be merged or disambiguated. Thanks, John Scifibones 18:12, 14 September 2022 (EDT)

Self-moderation

Hello Zapp,

Had you thought about asking for getting permissions for self-moderation? If you prefer to stay as you are or to just wait a bit longer, that's ok but you are familiar with most of the DB, understand our varianting, pseudonyming and dating rules (which are usually the major problematic areas for most editors) so I am comfortable supporting an application for self-moderation from you if you wish to do that. :) Annie (talk) 17:07, 15 September 2022 (EDT)

I am surprised by your offer. The following questions arise: What happens to my current pending edits if I accept the self-moderation? is there a control of the self-moderation edits? Can mistakes or errors be discovered? --Zapp (talk) 04:35, 17 September 2022 (EDT)
Continued there. --Zapp (talk) 17:13, 19 September 2022 (EDT)
Sorry, took the weekend off internet :)
Why would you be surprised? You are one of the better editors around here, you know the DB and you rarely mess up. :) It is a community process - if you decide you want it, you post the request on the Community Support board and it will take a few days for people to say if they agree or not and so on before you get the flag (if people do not disagree too strongly).
  • The existing pending edits already submitted at the time of the adding of the flag will need to be handled by a moderator. Usually you can find a willing moderator to clear them for you (ping me if it gets to that).
  • Control is similar to the control for new moderators - the community assists - expect a moderator or three to stop by your page occasionally with a question about some of your edits or reminding you of some rules. Note that self-approver's edits CAN be approved by a moderator if needed and you can always just ask someone for assistance (before or after an edit) if you are not sure.
  • Errors and mistakes: the same way it happens now - either via a cleanup report or via someone seeing it in the Recent Changes (or stumbling on it later)
If you prefer to still stay under moderation for awhile longer, that's ok as well. Annie (talk) 18:32, 19 September 2022 (EDT)
Okay, I'll post a request on the Community Support board. Thanks. --Zapp (talk) 16:54, 20 September 2022 (EDT)
Congratulations, you are now a self-approver :-) Ahasuerus (talk) 16:08, 29 September 2022 (EDT)

Magazines series

Just as a reminder: the magazine name forms a series and not a publication series. We have some of these entered in both places - the pub series field needs to be cleaned up for these. Thus this rejection :) Annie (talk) 12:48, 26 September 2022 (EDT)

Juvenile Flag

If the fiction title in a CHAPBOOK is flagged juvenile, then the container tile must also be flagged (and vice-versa). I fixed this one. They appear on the exception report here. John Scifibones 11:29, 27 September 2022 (EDT)

The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction, January/February 2022

Please be careful when adding external IDs - they need to match the edition. This ASIN is the paper issue, not the ebook (the fact that Amazon adds shipping tells you it is a physical book and not an ebook - among other clues on the page). I removed it from the ebook record. Thanks! Annie (talk) 11:46, 4 October 2022 (EDT)

Same for the March/April issue. If you had done a lot of these in the last days, you may want to recheck all of them (welcome to self-moderation - you always recheck your work because you do not have someone checking every edit) :) Annie (talk) 11:49, 4 October 2022 (EDT)
I saw but You've been faster. --Zapp 12:32, 4 October 2022 (EDT)
I am the PV of the first (thus seeing the change as soon as I opened the site for the day) and I just checked the rest of 2022 while I had the EDITOR record open anyway :) Annie (talk) 13:57, 5 October 2022 (EDT)

Avi Loeb novel?

Hi, it seems you established all the variants of titles by Avi Loeb. But judging from Amazon and Loeb's Wikipedia entry "Extraterrestrial" ain't a novel but "a popular science account" (Wikipedia), and thus not eligible for our database. From where does the NOVEL title type stem? Christian Stonecreek (talk) 01:46, 21 October 2022 (EDT)

The German version also was reviewed as a piece of nonfiction in an issue of "Spektrum der Wissenschaft". Christian Stonecreek (talk) 04:23, 21 October 2022 (EDT)

As I understood from the reviews, it is a speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observations:
"Harvard’s top astronomer lays out his controversial theory that our solar system was recently visited by advanced alien technology from a distant star.
In late 2017, scientists at a Hawaiian observatory glimpsed an object soaring through our inner solar system, moving so quickly that it could only have come from another star. Avi Loeb, Harvard’s top astronomer, showed it was not an asteroid; it was moving too fast along a strange orbit, and left no trail of gas or debris in its wake. There was only one conceivable explanation: the object was a piece of advanced technology created by a distant alien civilization.
In Extraterrestrial, Loeb takes listeners inside the thrilling story of the first interstellar visitor to be spotted in our solar system. He outlines his controversial theory and its profound implications: for science, for religion, and for the future of our species and our planet. A mind-bending journey through the furthest reaches of science, space-time, and the human imagination, Extraterrestrial challenges listeners to aim for the stars - and to think critically about what’s out there, no matter how strange it seems."
Maybe it's NONFICTION ? Or an essay ? I'm going to read it. --Zapp (talk) 11:56, 21 October 2022 (EDT)
"speculative text about extraterrestrial technology based on interpretations of astronomical observation" will be etranslations ligible ONLY if it is fiction. Non-fictional speculative accounts (historical What-If, "is there life on other planets" and so on) are not eligible - the only non-fiction eligible to be added is non-fiction related to speculative fiction. Annie (talk) 14:40, 21 October 2022 (EDT)
The review describes it partly as an account of the obect's discovery and partly as a discussion if it might be an alien artifact (and that's the part where the speculation comes in, as Loeb is in favor of this interpretation); so, nonfiction it is. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 04:53, 22 October 2022 (EDT)
FYI, all these titles showed up on Publications with Invalid Page Numbers exception report. Only Arabic numerals are allowed in the pipe sort field. I fixed them before I saw this thread. John Scifibones 08:13, 23 October 2022 (EDT)
I've got a copy of the German edition at hand, and it is a (non-eligible) piece of nonfiction, so I'm going to delete some of the publications & titles (the other translations). Would you please help to delete (perhaps the English ones)?
For future additions: please apply more caution when entering new titles (just because something looks like a novel doesn't mean it has to be one). Christian Stonecreek (talk) 09:20, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
And one more thing: we do enter subtitles without a space between the title proper and the colon, so the title should have been entered as "Außerirdisch: Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten" instead of "Außerirdisch : Intelligentes Leben jenseits unseres Planeten". Christian Stonecreek (talk) 09:27, 3 November 2022 (EDT)
By now, I've deleted all the titles, and read some relevant chapters: it seems to be possible that it was in fact an artifact that passed in 2017 through the Solar System. It's really a pity that we'll never know! Christian Stonecreek (talk) 11:47, 8 November 2022 (EST)
I've been very busy the last time, so I paused here. I read the book, too, and found out it was in fact a nonfiction scientific book with parts of the author's biography. It comes close to other UFO declearing texts.