User talk:Vintage Season

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Hello, Vintage Season, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! -DES Talk 00:58, 6 September 2010 (UTC)


Thank you for the warm welcome, DESiegel60! I signed up and added a first entry to ISFDB this afternoon (because one of my own stories appears within that anthology), and attempted to follow the recommended procedures. If I inadvertently committed any errors please feel free to point them out, so that I can fix them, and also avoid similar mistakes in the future. Vintage Season 01:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
I have done so below. Don't be worried or upset, the ISFDB is rather complex, and some of its procedures are not as intuitive as we would like. You should see the comments I got on my first submissions. Please do let us know what you found confusing or unhelpful -- we always want to improve things as and when we can. Again, welcome. -DES Talk 02:46, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

STUPEFYING STORIES Volume 1

Hello, I have your submission for STUPEFYING STORIES Volume 1 and there are some problems with it. Most of these I can correct, but there is at least one I need more information from you for.

Here are the problems I can fix, for your future reference:

  • The ISFDB enters titles in normalized case, hence: Stupefying Stories Volume 1: "It Came From The Slushpile" or possibly just It Came From The Slushpile, as series indicators are often not used as part of the title.
  • The code the iSFDB uses for "Trade paperback" is "tp"
  • A "Publication series" is a set of books generally by different authors but presented by the publisher is related in some way. The classic example is the "Ballantine Adult Fantasy Series". The various issues of a magazine do not form a Publication series, nor do successive anthologies like the various Hugo Winners anthologies. This concept is new to many, and can be confusing.
  • The Synopsis is supposed to be a summery of the plot of a book, or of its nature, not a blurb.
  • The Image URL should point to a site which the ISFDB has permission to link to, or to the ISAFB itself. See ISFDB:Image linking permissions and Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki.
  • "From the editor's desk" should be "From the Editor's Desk" or possibly "From the Editor's Desk (Stupefying Stories 1)" If there are at all likely to be other "From the Editor's Desk" entries with which it could be confused.

Now for the information I need from you.

  • You listed several people in the "Artist" field. The "artist" field is intended to capture the name of the cover artist, and multiple names should be entered when two or more people co-created the cover art. Nut in this case I suspect these are the various artists whose work is included inside the book. The ISFDB records these credits using INTERIORART records. (See Help:Screen:EditPub#EntryType for more details.) I need to know which of these people created the cover art, adn which did interior art, and for what stories.
  • Is the title on the title page (not the cover, not the spine) Stupefying Stories Volume 1: "It Came From The Slushpile" or something else? In particular, are the quotes presnt on the title page. (The ISFDB goes by the title page).
  • Are further volumes of Stupefying Stories in existence, or planned?

I have your submission "on hold" awaiting your answers to these queries. -DES Talk 02:42, 6 September 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarification, and I will certainly try to adhere to these guidelines in the future.
Regarding the proper attribution of artwork:
  • The cover artist is Larry Blamire. I have uploaded a reduced-resolution version of the front cover art, and used what I believe to be the appropriate template (with the ID number currently shown as "??????," since I do not yet know what the actual ID number will be), on this wiki page: http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:Stupefying-stories-vol1-front.jpg
  • Pages 7 ("Fitz of Distraction") and 163 ("The Last Word") are the equivalent of editorial cartoons, and the artist is Kersley Fitzgerald. As with "From the Editor's Desk," there will be similarly named items in future volumes, so it may be appropriate to append "(Stupefying Stories 1)" to the end of each title.
  • K. Vetch provided interior artwork on page 10 (for "Tech Support"), which differs from the page shown for the story (shown in the contents as beginning on page 11).
  • Kersley Fitzgerald provided interior artwork on page 26 (for "Lifeline").
  • Larry Blamire provided interior artwork on pages 30 and 38 (for "It Came from the Slushpile").
  • Bruce Bethke provided an interior photo on page 39 (for "Catechronism").
  • David Yener Goodman provided interior artwork on page 56 (for "Icehawk's Ill Omen").
  • David Yener Goodman provided interior artwork on page 76 (for "Armstrong").
  • K. Vetch provided interior artwork on pages 84 and 99 (for "We Don't Plummet Out of the Sky Anymore").
  • David Yener Goodman provided interior artwork on page 100 (for "Assault and Buttery"), which differs from the page shown for the story (shown in the contents as beginning on page 101).
  • K. Vetch provided interior artwork on page 111 (for "Teaching Women to Fly").
  • John Tankersley provided interior artwork on page 132 (for "The Poetry Hole"; the two poems shown on that page, both by Avery L. Maxwell, are titled "Whistle" and "Dance").
  • David Yener Goodman provided interior artwork on page 137 (for "First Rule").
  • David Yener Goodman provided interior artwork on page 138 (for "Then the End Cometh"), which differs from the page shown for the story (shown in the contents as beginning on page 139). For the same story, a number of 19th Century bee engravings (pages 142, 146, 152 and 154) were provided courtesy of karenswhimsy.com, and public domain bee clip-art was used for section breaks (pages 140, 141, 143, 147, 149, 150, 151, 152 and 153).
  • K. Vetch provided interior artwork on page 159 (for "Heart of Dorkness").
To address your other concerns:
  • The physical size of this anthology is 5.5" wide by 7.5" high (digest size), although the paper and binding are trade paperback weight, rather than magazine weight. Is "tp" still the proper classification?
  • The blurb I posted as the synopsis is taken from the back cover of this publication. For future reference, is there an appropriate way to include this information, or is it better to avoid such blurbs altogether?
  • The proper title of the anthology, as shown on the title page, is Stupefying Stories: "It Came From The Slushpile" ... "Volume 1" is only shown as part of the title on the contents page, although it is the proper sequential designator for this volume, and additional volumes will be forthcoming. Yes, there are intentional quotes around the "It Came From The Slushpile" portion, and since this is technically an anthology series rather than a magazine, "Stupefying Stories" is part of the title. (On the title page, "Stupefying Stories" is also shown in normalized case, although the publisher has habitually used all-caps to discuss the anthology series as a whole, and all-caps are shown for that portion of the title on the front cover.)
  • "From the editor's desk" follows the capitalization shown on the contents list. For ISFDB purposes, "From the Editor's Desk (Stupefying Stories 1)" would be an appropriate solution, since there will be similarly-named articles in future volumes.
And finally:
  • The physical edition of Volume 1 is currently available - http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0982897405 - and electronic versions (both Kindle and ePub) will be released in the near future, with separate ISBN numbers and formatting appropriate to the medium. Is there an ISFDB provision for eBook releases, and will these necessitate separate entries?
Once again, I appreciate your willingness to guide me through this first submission. If there is any additional information that I may provide, please let me know. Vintage Season 04:24, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Thank you very much for the detailed information. it will be most helpful.
  • I am about to approve the entry and edit it to reflect the information given above.
  • On the binding (PubFormat), for books, anything larger than a standard MMPB (roughly 7 in tall) is a tp if it isn't a hardcover (hc). If we were treating this as a magazine (and it sounds as if it were borderline), we would probably call the size "Digest". See Help:Screen:EditPub#Pub Format (Binding) for more detail.
  • Blurbs, particularly when so very promotional, should not normally be posted on the ISFDB. For a novel an excerpt of a publisher's blurb is sometimes used as a synopsis, but only when it functions as a plot summery in more or less neutral tone.
  • The ISFDB does indeed support ebook editions, and they are usually given separate entries. See Publisher:Project Gutenberg for one particularly common case; see this publication of 1633 for a non-PG example.
Again thanks, and i hope the above is helpful. -DES Talk 05:20, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
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