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:::I also posted on the other two verifiers pages. I will wait a bit for their responses also just in case. Thanks for checking. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:15, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
:::I also posted on the other two verifiers pages. I will wait a bit for their responses also just in case. Thanks for checking. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 18:15, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
::::Thanks! [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] 20:46, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
::::Thanks! [[User:Taweiss|Tom]] 20:46, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
:It turns out the Internet Archive scan is of the {{P|277731|Tor / SFBC edition}}. I have updated that record instead. Taweiss, if your copy has "05435" on the lower back cover, than you also have the SFBC edition and you should move your verification over. Hopefully, Marc Kupper or DarkMatter42 will return and can confirm if the Tor version contents should also be updated. Thanks. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:25, 31 May 2022 (EDT)
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Hello, Taweiss, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

20,000 Leagues Under the Sea

As stated on the upload page, cover images should be no more than 600 pixels along the largest dimension. I have resized your image appropriately. Also, adding an image to a publication is a two step process. Now that you have uploaded it, you need to add it to the publication. Please see Help:How to upload images to the ISFDB wiki. If you have questions, please ask at ISFDB:Help desk. Thanks for participating. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:32, 16 February 2014 (UTC) Thanks for fixing my image. I believe its linked correctly now. TAWeiss 16:12, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

The First Men in the Moon

When you run into a big price discrepancy, such as $0.60 vs. $1.25, chances are very good it indicates two different printings of the same book. Sometimes for newer books you'll get a pre-announced price that differs a little (by $1 or $0.50) from the actual selling price, but for those you can usually tell the data came from a pre-release announcement. So in this case, it would have been better to clone the existing publication and make the price $1.25 in the new copy. I cloned it to keep a copy with the $0.60 and then accepted your edits (don't forget to include the currency symbol on prices -- I added the '$'), so now we have two Magnum editions. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --MartyD 11:39, 18 February 2014 (UTC)

I have a number of Magnum editions. I will clone the others as appropriate. Thanks for the guidance. TAWeiss 16:14, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

Bradbury's "The Ardent Blasphemers"

I rejected the submission to change the date of this title. If the work was first published in 1962, then the record can not be dated 1961-09-15. That may the date the author wrote it, but the ISFDB dates a work to its first publication, not the date it's written. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:23, 27 February 2014 (UTC) Agreed. Thanks for clarifying. TAWeiss 19:35, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Poe collection

Is the author's middle name credited as "Allen" in this collection? Mhhutchins 20:31, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

BTW, when responding to a wiki posting, add a colon (:) at the start of the response. This will separate and indent if from the previous comment, making it easy to follow the discussion. Then add another colon to each successive response. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:33, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks again. I will be far more careful with my typing ( and cutting and pasting). Allan is the spelling throughout. I can correct it.
BTW, How do I link to short stories directly from the author's list? TAWeiss 20:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
You have to merge the title records. After you've made the corrections to the publication (and its contents), go to his summary page and click on the link "Check for Duplicate Titles" under the Editing Tools menu. Check the boxes for each of duplicate titles (one submission per title). You will have to reconcile the differences. In most cases, keep the earliest date, and choose to retain any series data or notes. (Don't forget to add another colon for each successive message in a wiki posting. I've done it for you in this case. Look at the raw edit to see how it's done.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Got it. TAWeiss 21:00, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Ancient Sorceries

Since there is a printed price on this book you can remove the note that Tuck is the source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:46, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll take care of it. TAWeiss 23:57, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Proper HTML

I've corrected a few of your records which contained malformed HTML in the Note field. If you look at this record, you'll see what I mean. Observe how the Bibliographic Comments field aligns with the notes, and not with the other field. This was caused by not closing the HTML unnumbered line list function in the Note field. You don't have to close a <li>, but you must close a <ul> with a </ul> at the end of the list. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:33, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I see. Thanks for all of your help. TAWeiss 21:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

4th printing of The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress

Is the ISBN you entered into this record stated, or derived from an SBN or catalog number? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

It's an SBN. I had thought I should translate and report it as an ISBN. TAWeiss 22:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

The Devil's Playground

The record you added was for an edition which was already in the database. You may not have saw it because it is pseudonymously published (as "Kenneth Robeson") and appeared on the summary page of the canonical author, Alan Hathaway. It's a good idea to do a search by title when you don't see it on an author's page. I will delete the first record when you've had a chance to read this message. Mhhutchins 05:14, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. That clears things up. TAWeiss 11:52, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Catalog numbers for the Doc Savage Bantam editions

I read your message in the "Note to Moderator" field concerning your wanting to change the catalog numbers in this series to be consistent. (Actually, such messages should be posted on the Moderator Noticeboard. The "Note to Moderator" field should only be used to give additional information to the one person who is moderating the submission to help in the decision to accept or reject it. Concerns which are not limited to the single publication which you are addng or updating should be brought before the larger group. Thanks.)

As long as there's only a catalog number and not an ISBN, feel free to update the records. There is no policy about which catalog number to use, when there are multiple numbers printed on a publication. I usually check to see how other publications have been entered from the same publisher in the same time period. It seems that for Bantam Books it's usually the letter-number code printed on the front cover. I see that user Dcarson (who primary verified many records in this series) chose to use the catalog number on the spine (which added the publisher identifier before the number, followed by the price code.) It looks like it's been almost a year to the day since he posted his last contribution to the wiki, so feel free to change these records to give the cover catalog number in the "ISBN/Catalog #" field, and move the spine catalog number to the Note field so that data will not be lost. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:39, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll take care of it. TAWeiss 22:22, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Star King

I'm holding your submission to add a publication for this title. It appears to be close to this record which is titled The Star King, while you submission titles it as just Star King. If the title page drops "The", please notify the primary verifiers of the current record to discuss changing the record. If not, you can cancel the submission in the queue. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:21, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

I see it now. I've withdrawn the submissionTAWeiss 00:47, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

The Broken Sword

The note in this record dates it as March 1977, but the date field gives November 1981. Which is correct? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:45, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Perhaps you meant to update this record? Mhhutchins 16:46, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

This record is the correct one. I cut and pasted incorrectly. I have submitted the correction. TAWeiss 21:16, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
I accepted the submission, but am puzzled that there are now two records stating "Third Printing". Mhhutchins 21:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Fixed that as well. Should be fourth printing. TAWeiss 21:36, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

The Hunger Games - 15th printing

I zeroed out the date of 2008-10-00 from this record. The 15th printing would have to have appeared sometime after that. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:35, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that TAWeiss 20:40, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

A Princess of Mars

Re this record: If you're doing a primary verification of a publication record, you can remove the source of the data from the Note field. If any of the data isn't from the primary source (the book itself), then state which data is from another source. Otherwise, it's assumed that all of the data is from the book itself when a record is primary verified. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:37, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Makes sense. I'll care of it for this pub and others that I primarily verify. TAWeiss 20:39, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Date for gutter code N17 on Dilvish, the Damned

Hi. I accepted your submission adding a note about gutter code N17 to Dilvish, the Damned. From where did you get the April, 1985 date you included in the comment? I'm thinking this is likely to be an early 1983 gutter code, which would correspond to when this was first an SFBC selection. Thanks. --MartyD 03:15, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

Typo on my part. I meant to put 1983. Thanks for catching that. I'll fix it. TAWeiss 10:43, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

A Discovery of Witches

I zeroed out the publication date field of this record as it's not likely that it went through 6 printings before the publication date. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:22, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

As always, thanks! TAWeiss 02:23, 28 March 2014 (UTC)


Have held your submission as there is a tenth printing with the same date. I believe getting the printing from the number line but where did the date come from? Often Bantam would have a printing history that might end with "10th printing ... [date]" but the number line would end in '11'. Doesn't mean the date for the 10th is carried over to the 11th. If that's the case here, you'd have an undated printing, but, check in the back. Bantam was always current with their ads and they nearly always have date codes. Multiple ads can have different, those close together, date codes. I pick the latest one and put that in the date field, with a note as to source, of course. Also, a printing history is given in [this] record which has the date for the 11th printing as July 1980. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:51, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for catching that. I had meant to enter date unknown for the 11th printing since I only had printing dates for the preceding 10 printings on the title page. I'm looking at the ad codes. One of the ad offer expires on 1/81 and has a code of SF2-7/80. That correlates well with the date you've seen in the other entry. Do you want me to re-submit or can you fix it? TAWeiss 22:11, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I'll accept it and you can fix it. Please note the source for the date. ["Printing History of X printing, give date or our record number]. It's always worth the time to peruse records, especially for titles that are reprinted many, many times. Sooner or later the publisher will give a printing history and hopefully an industrious editor will record it. Sometimes it's quite a bit of work [check out some of Bradbury's titles, with 50+ printings]. Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 22:22, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

The Way of the Wizard

I accepted the submission to accept the content record for "Aknowledgements" [sic] in this record. Is this more than a list of "thank you"s? 01:52, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

It appeared on the table of contents, so I added it, but yes, it's merely a list of "Thank you's which normally wouldn't be listed. It can be removed. TAWeiss 12:44, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [1].Don Erikson 22:33, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks TAWeiss 19:56, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Traitor to the Living

Added some notes and uploaded a new cover scan for your verified. Thanks. Linguist 09:13, 23 June 2014 (UTC).

Looks good. Thanks!TAWeiss 00:02, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Skin Game

I added the LCCN and some other minor information to the Notes for your verified Skin Game. Looking forward to reading it! BungalowBarbara 03:37, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Philip Jose Farmer's To Your Scattered Bodies Go

Replaced the Amazon image of Philip Jose Farmer's To Your Scattered Bodies Go with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary2 reference. Doug 13:57, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Looks goodTAWeiss 13:59, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

Paladin of Souls

Re this publication: A fifth printing wouldn't have the same date as the first...unless it was a VERY popular title. Does your copy have a stated date of publication? If not please zero out the date field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:13, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Since you didn't respond, I'm assuming the book isn't dated, so I zeroed out the publication date. Mhhutchins 21:52, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

The Dreaming Jewels

Can you confirm the price and the unstated publication date of this printing? We have another record which is close to yours in most details, but has a slightly higher price and a publication date. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 02:33, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

I had the missed the date. The price is correct.TAWeiss 23:17, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Life. the Universe...

I accepted the submission adding this record to the database, but zeroed out the publication date field to indicate an unknown date. It's not likely that the fifth printing appeared in the same month as the first printing. Thanks. 21:50, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks TAWeiss 02:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Sourcing data for non-primary verified records

The source for the data given in this record should have been recorded in the "Note" field. Anything recorded in the "Note to Moderator" field disappears the moment the submission is accepted. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:46, 5 January 2015 (UTC) Thanks for the clarification. TAWeiss 22:54, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Entering book club editions

Because these editions lack so much vital bibiliographical data, we've created special rules about entering them into the database. I've adjusted the update you made to this record accordingly. If you have any questions, don't hesitate to ask. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 19:38, 18 January 2015 (UTC) Got it! 01:09, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing the entry. TAWeiss 01:11, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Two artists credited for a single cover art

When two artists in collaboration are credited for a single work of art used for the cover of a publication, you should enter that credit as follows:

When creating the publication record, only credit one of them. Once the submission is accepted, go back to the publication record and click on the "Cover:" link which carries you to the COVERART record. Click on "Edit Title Data" link under the Editing Tools menu. On the next screen, click on the "Add Author" button which opens a new entry box. Enter the name of the second artist and submit. (There's a bug in the software which prevents a user from adding both artists in the original submission.)

When there are two covers (like Ace Doubles), and there are two different works of art created by two different artists not in collaboration, do the following:

When creating the publication record, enter the first artist in the Artist1 field, then click the button labeled "Add Artist" which creates the Artist2 field into which you can credit the second artist.

Never enter artists as "Leo and Diane Dillon" into one field. This creates a new person with that name. I have fixed the artist credit of this publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:15, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

OK. Thanks for the clarificationTAWeiss 01:55, 23 January 2015 (UTC)


I added a gutter code for Triad from the SFBC. Bob 22:48, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

GoodTAWeiss 17:48, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Making a Chair

Sorry, I approved a submission to change this title to POEM, without realising that it appears in a primary verified publication (verified by you). Could you please check if this does qualify as a poem? Thanks, Stonecreek 14:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

It's a poem. The change is fine. TAWeiss 00:17, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

The Somnambulist

I have put your submission on hold to change this publication, because the proposed page count of 353+12+7 is somewhat irritating and not meaningful without a further explanation and because you deleted the note "This includes an essay by the author on some historical details, and an interview with his [Barnes] fictional detective.", again without an explanation: So, please do explain on your changes here. Stonecreek 18:55, 18 March 2015 (UTC)

After more than a week without a response I rejected the submission. Stonecreek 08:20, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

"The Dreaming Jewels", by Theodore Sturgeon

I added a cover image to your verified publication. I'm pretty sure this is the right image, but I encourage you to compare this against your own copy. The "Dell SF" just to the left of "Jewels" in the title is pretty distinctive, I suspect. Chavey 09:03, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

OkTAWeiss 19:17, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

"The Silver Sun", by Nancy Springer

You verified this printing as having a cover by Sofia Grunfeld. Don Erickson verified another printing with the same cover (zoomed out a bit) as having the cover by Carl Lundgren. They can't both be correct. Could you please check your publication again for the credit to this cover? Chavey 15:33, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Don Erickson looked at the book again, and Lundgren is listed as the cover artist, while Sofia Grunfeld is credited only for "Interior Design", which we don't normally include in the formal credits (although occasionally editors will put such credits in the notes). So I have take the liberty of changing that cover credit to Carl Lundgren. Chavey 05:24, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
Ok. Thanks. TAWeiss 19:17, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Sandman collection

This publication can not have a 1991 date of publication if it is a sixth printing with a 1995 introduction. Unless there is a specified date of publication for this printing, you should zero out the publication date field. The ISBN-13 would indicate a printing sometime after 2005. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:05, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I removed the extraneous content NOVEL record. A publication typed as NOVEL is automatically given a NOVEL content record so it should not be added again when you create or update the publication record. Mhhutchins 18:05, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll fix the reference, and make sure that I create the remaining publications correctly. Thanks for your help.TAWeiss 21:32, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

The Sandman Collection titles

To my knowledge, we don't have a standard, but a common practice for titles in series is to eliminate the collection name from the title (so instead of SERIES: TITLE or TITLE: SERIES, just use TITLE). Then, if the title page uses the series as supertitle or subtitle, include it in the publication title. That helps avoid having a series-less title be a variant of a title containing the series name when one runs into a publication that does not include that super/subtitle. You can see if you go here that The Sandman Collection's entries have not been handled consistently. I accepted your edit to add it to one of them, but it might be better to remove "The Sandman:" from the titles. I will point the other moderators to this in case someone thinks you should do otherwise, so wait a bit to see if anyone objects. --MartyD 10:30, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. Should I go ahead and fix them all?TAWeiss 17:23, 2 June 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that would be a good thing. --MartyD 00:30, 4 June 2015 (UTC)
Will do.TAWeiss 00:37, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

"Wild Angel", by Pat Murphy

I corrected a note in your verified book. It had said "First edition by number line". This was, however, the second edition -- the first edition being the Tor hardcover. I corrected that to "First printing by number line". Chavey 04:37, 2 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!TAWeiss 16:55, 21 September 2015 (UTC)


Found a good Bantam/Spectra cover scan for Silverthorn, which you verified... Susan O'Fearna 06:35, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Thanks TAWeiss 16:55, 21 September 2015 (UTC)

Is it a typo?

For "An Essary" in this title could be one. Stonecreek 19:15, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! I've updated the record. TAWeiss 02:11, 31 October 2015 (UTC)


As you can see here on Flickr, there's a signature "Blanchard" in the lower right corner of the front cover. Therefore the cover artist of this is (Robert or Bob?) Blanchard, not Richard Powers. Thanks. Horzel 23:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

Good catch! Please update the record. Thanks TAWeiss 02:09, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Doc Savage novels

Hi. In your verified 5th printing of The Fantastic Island your edition didn't have a printing date. My 7th printing says it's July 1969. Do you want to add it to your pub? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 03:20, 31 October 2015 (UTC)

Submitted change for cover artist of Meteor Menace from Jim Aviati to James Avati.

I've updated the record. Thanks for the informationTAWeiss 14:33, 8 November 2015 (UTC)

Science Fiction Adventures in Dimension

FYI, I'm updating the publication date for your verified book http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?29084, based on Cole's Checklist of SF Anthologies http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?103113. Markwood 00:27, 30 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks!TAWeiss 19:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

The History of Middle Earth

As a verifier of one of the volumes of The History of Middle Earth, I would like to ask your input on an issue of authorship. Most of the title records for volumes in this series list both J. R. R. Tolkien and Christopher Tolkien as authors. Two do not (Vols. 1 and 10). Christopher is credited with editorship on the title pages, but his contributions go well beyond those of the average editor. On the other hand, strictly speaking an editor of a collection is not given author status on ISFDB. The exception to this rule that has given Christopher author status for most of these books is likely a judgment by ISFDB editors that the fraction of content he has contributed to these books warrants it.

Please see <a href="http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk#Tolkien_-_Book_of_Lost_Tales_Vol._1">this entry</a> at the help desk for arguments on both sides.

I would like to get your opinion on this, so that a consensus can be reached and all of the volumes be credited in a consistent way. Any thoughts would be appreciated. Thanks, Ldb001 19:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)

The Sandman: The Doll's House

Would you please double check the interior art credits for The Sandman: The Doll's House? The first artist is listed as Mike Drigenberg. However, his real name is Mike Dringenberg (with an 'n' before the 'g'). Looking at your scanned cover, it shows the 'n' present. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:10, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Good catch! I've made the fixTAWeiss 19:29, 28 December 2015 (UTC)

The Sasquatch Hunter's Almanac

Hi. I accepted your modifications to The Sasquatch Hunter's Almanac, but I see you left in the note about "Data from Amazon and Locus Magazine...". Since you have the book, you should change that to refer only to data elements not found in the book. For example, if there were no publication date in the book, you might make it read: "Publication date from Amazon as of 2015-12-29". If you need help figuring out how best to change it, let me know. Thanks. --MartyD 12:35, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Will do.TAWeiss 16:21, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

The Laughing Sutra

From descriptions I've found of this work, it doesn't appear to be speculative fiction. Can you supply further information to show that it's eligible for the database? Also, a book from 1992 wouldn't have an ISBN-13. And $10.00 seems high for a 1992 mass-market paperback ("pb"). Perhaps it's a trade paperback ("tp")? Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 16:52, 13 January 2016 (UTC)

From what I read, there's a "magical" scroll and an immortal character. Left to my own devices, I won't accept it but we already have texts with thinner spec-fic contents (IMHO of course). Hauck 17:47, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I just finished reading it. One of the main characters is an immortal with exceptional strength who has been involved through thousands of years of Chinese history. It has more fantastic elements than other books I've read that are in the database. That being said, I'm ambivalent about adding it. It's size is a bit odd, so I expect that it should be labeled a "tp". If the consensus is to add it, then I can fix the ISBN as well.TAWeiss 18:59, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
I've accepted the publication and made the following changes: the ISBN is the ISBN-10, the publisher is Vintage Books, the publication series is Vintage Contemporaries, and the format is "tp". (It's 21 cm / 8 inches tall which well qualifies it as a trade paperback.) If any of this isn't as stated in your publication, please let me know. I also added a link to the cover image on Amazon, and changed the title's publication date to 1991-01-16, which is the date of the work's first publication. (The publication record's date remains as you entered it.) Thanks. Mhhutchins|talk 20:13, 13 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. It looks good to me now. TAWeiss 16:32, 14 January 2016 (UTC)

The Men Who Smiled

Hi. Concerning your 2nd verified edition of the above. I've found an ISBN for this which is derived from the book's # by adding a zero to the beginning and a nine to the end which seems to work, namely "0553048759". Should we put this into the ISBN field and add the existing Catalog ID# to the notes with the other one? Also, the link in the notes no longer works. I'd also like to add the OCLC number that I found: OCLC: <a href="http://www.worldcat.org/oclc/6506640">6506640</a>, and a couple of notes from the copyright page. Do you have any objections? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 00:32, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Doug, Your updates sounds good to me. The one change I'd check with the moderators is promoting the 8 character catalog number (presumably an SBN) into an ISBN. I remember making that kind of change when I first started editing, and my impression was that was not acceptable. Tom TAWeiss 01:48, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Thanks, Tom - good idea. I'll check the help files again & then post it on the help desk. Doug / Vornoff 04:02, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
Submitted notes but, on advice from the Help Desk, did not alter or add info on the derived ISBN. Doug / Vornoff 18:07, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Changes to Moon Called

Hi, I've made some minor changes to your verified entry for Moon Called. There are additions to the notes about the contents of copyright page, appearance of cover, and exact publication date. Nothing essential, just stuff I like to include when verifying (which I'm about to do as well). Also, I have changed the name of the map from "Moon Called (map)" to "The Tri-Cites (map for Moon Called)" to be consistent with the rest of the books in the series (see listing for Michael Enzweiler). And I've added page numbers to the contents. OK? BungalowBarbara 23:00, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

All sounds good to meTAWeiss 23:43, 11 February 2016 (UTC)

The Martian

I have updated your verified The Martian to add a note and title for the artwork in the background of the title page. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:01, 29 February 2016 (UTC)

okTAWeiss 23:15, 28 March 2016 (UTC)

Traitor to the Living UK edition

I added the cover artist, Joe Petango, for this edition [[2]]. Zlan52 23:26, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

OkTAWeiss 19:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)
First, it's Joe Petagno, and second, a Tumblr page is not proof enough (though the llstyle very much points to Joe Petagno). Horzel 12:18, 24 May 2016 (UTC)
I agree, credit deleted. Hauck 14:34, 24 May 2016 (UTC)

The Book of Three

Hi. You verified The Book of Three Dell Laurel-Leaf, 1983 (Book Club Edition of 5th printing, or 5th printing of Book Club Edition, or the 5th printing of the Laurel-Leaf is the Book Club printing) P499991.

Is cover artist Jean-Leon Huens identified in the book?

I have the undated 13th printing, same ISBN and front cover except price US $2.95 (bold) over CAN $3.95 (light). The cover artist is not credited, or I overlook it.

Elsewhere we show the same cover illustration credited to Jody Lee (not verified) P257305.

--Pwendt|talk 19:11, 11 May 2016 (UTC)

We have wrong artists or wrong images for publications of multiple Prydain novels, including multiple illustrations erroneously attributed to Jody Lee.
See User talk:Mike Christie‎#The Black Cauldron which I have augmented since writing to both of you one month ago (neither active during May). --Pwendt|talk 16:47, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
I'll find my copy and take another look. TAWeiss 11:29, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
The amazon cover links with ZZZZ in the path are notoriously unreliable. That is likely the cause of some of the cover art not matching the correct illustrator. This link explains the illustrator histories for this series. I'll confirm my pubs, but someone needs to take a closer look at the unverified pubs. TAWeiss 00:42, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks. I will look to replace ZZZZ edresses sometimes.
I will pursue the article on Prydain illustrations another day. --Pwendt|talk 20:50, 21 June 2016 (UTC)

Fire, Burn!

Hello, cover artist found for this pub. Hauck 16:19, 21 May 2016 (UTC)

Nice catch! TAWeiss 11:30, 13 June 2016 (UTC)

Obsidian Butterfly

Although the total number of pages is 596 there is a preview of the next book (I assume it is Narcissus in Chains) which starts at page 586. Shouldn't this be added as an excerpt? AndyjMo 14:27, 6 June 2016 (UTC)

I'll check my copy TAWeiss 11:31, 13 June 2016 (UTC)
You're right. I'll update the record. TAWeiss 00:18, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

The Rook

Hello, I've approved your submission for this pub, but both items seems to start on page 1. Is it the case? Thanks. Hauck 15:21, 18 June 2016 (UTC)

The second item is at the end of the book. There is an addendum which numbered starting at 1.TAWeiss 19:44, 14 July 2016 (UTC)

The Magic Goes Away

It appears there are two publication records for the second printing of The Magic Goes Away

If you agree that these are duplicates can you move your primary verification to the first record and then we can delete the duplicate? Note, you can't "move" a verification but rather would primary verify the first record and un-verify the second record. The cover image shown on the duplicate is for the third printing meaning there would be no data loss when the duplicate record is deleted. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:52, 15 August 2016 (UTC)

Requested deletion of the duplicate record. 22:21, 27 August 2016 (UTC)


Hello, to answer your implicit question, IIRC CHAPBOOKS are not allowed to be part of title series, it's only the contents that can (that's why the field was inaccessible). Hauck 07:59, 4 September 2016 (UTC)

So do I change the entry to something other than a chapbook? TAWeiss 21:06, 5 September 2016 (UTC)
No, you just have to update the SHORTFICTION contained in the chapbook. Hauck 07:22, 6 September 2016 (UTC)

Get Off the Unicorn

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of Get Off the Unicorn.--Dirk P Broer 11:01, 7 September 2016 (UTC)

From Off This World

re: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?14728 I added publication month (October) and pub notes. Markwood 20:03, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

Poe's Tales of Mystery and Terror

Cover artist of this is Joseph Lombardero, his signature JL is clearly visible on the cover. Horzel 13:46, 21 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks TAWeiss 15:20, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

John Carter of Mars

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of John Carter of Mars.--Dirk P Broer 13:16, 24 September 2016 (UTC)

ThanksTAWeiss 15:19, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Notes to The Drafter

Hi, I've made some minor additions to the Notes for The Drafter. I've added more info about what's on the copyright page and the cover art credits on the back cover. Also a link to archived Amazon.com for exact publication date. BungalowBarbara 21:26, 18 October 2016 (UTC)

Looks goodTAWeiss 19:49, 12 November 2016 (UTC)

Dead until Dark

I've replaced the Amazon cover of Dead Until Dark with a scan of my copy and added a few notes. --AndyjMo 11:20, 24 October 2016 (UTC)

Every Which Way But Dead

I've replaced the Amazon cover for Every Which Way But Dead with a scan of my copy. --AndyjMo 10:03, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Added series to Dead Six (excerpt)

Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:22, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

The Last Command price

Hi. The price on this came through as 76.99. I'm guessing it should be $7.99 or $6.99, given the C$10.99. --MartyD 03:59, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Fixed it. Thanks. TAWeiss 13:21, 16 November 2016 (UTC)

Malcolm Jones III

In your verified The Sandman: Dream Country, standardized Malcolm Jones III to Malcolm Jones, III. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:30, 23 November 2016 (UTC)

OK TAWeiss 18:16, 11 December 2016 (UTC)

The Summer Dragon

Hello, I've put your submission on hold as you're assigning to the fifth printing the same publication date as the first. Can you confirm? Hauck 17:11, 31 December 2016 (UTC)

Without reply, I've approved the submission but chnaged date to "0000-00-00". Hauck 08:21, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for catching my error.TAWeiss 21:15, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

The Door Into Summer

Not a change to your verified pub per se, but I've been going through many pubs of The Door Into Summer and capitalising the "into" to "Into". Thanks. PeteYoung 02:18, 9 January 2017 (UTC)

Ok. TAWeiss 21:14, 29 January 2017 (UTC)

Gaiman's Norse Mythology

I added the glossary to Neil Gaiman's Norse Mythology. I also added the LOC and Worldcat numbers. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:18, 22 February 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! TAWeiss 20:17, 25 February 2017 (UTC)


Hi. I accepted your submission of Merrick, but the ISBN you gave wasn't correct -- it had an extra, 11th digit. It looks to me like the original ISBN isn't missing a check digit, but rather has the wrong one (should be 7 not 5). That matched the entry on Amazon, so I made that change and adjusted the note to say it's incorrect instead of that it's missing. --MartyD 19:34, 4 March 2017 (UTC)

Thanks! TAWeiss 14:35, 11 March 2017 (UTC)


Hello. I have changed the page count of your verified to 215, assuming the previous count was a typo. Would you be able to check to see if yours is the same ? Thanks, Linguist 10:48, 14 March 2017 (UTC).

Ill take a look. TAWeiss 22:13, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
Confirmed. Thanks for letting me know. TAWeiss 14:06, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

The High King

Hello, I've put your submission of artist credit to Jean-Leon Huens on hold as the the same artwork is credited to Jody Lee (but this may be due to a confusion with this other artwork. Can you precise the source of your data? Thanks. Hauck 14:18, 17 March 2017 (UTC)

According to this link, "In July 1980 Dell Laurel-Leaf printed new, pocket-book editions with art by Jean-Léon Huens. These were extremely popular; by July 1984 Dell had printed ten editions of this cover." The link points out that the Jody Lee covers were available in the Dell Yearling editions starting in 1990. Pwendt was trying to clean these references up. I'm not clear if he's still working on it. His efforts are documented here. TAWeiss 13:19, 19 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks. Submission approved.Hauck 13:47, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

King's Night Shift

Hi! Is there really any hint that this sixth printing was published in the same month as the first? If not, and there's no other indication for the actual date of publication, the date should be set to 0000-00-00 (unknown). Thanks, Stonecreek 08:19, 27 March 2017 (UTC)

Sorry. I really wish cloning would blank or set the date unknown. TAWeiss 14:56, 31 March 2017 (UTC)

Julian May's "Magnificat"

I've added to the notes of this pub: the LCCN (Library of Congress Number) and a note regarding the family tree after the numbered pages. I did notice however that my copy is printed in Canada. Can you confirm where your copy was printed? Thanks. Doug H 02:12, 15 April 2017 (UTC)

My copy was printed in the US. TAWeiss 22:41, 15 April 2017 (UTC)
One of the joys of living in Canada - our own printings. Thanks for checking. Doug H 01:32, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
NP TAWeiss 01:47, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Blade Runner

Hello, I've put your submission on hold. You give in it a "1987-06-00 " publication date and indicate "Nineteenth Printing: October 1991" in the notes. What should I believe? Thanks. Hauck 16:05, 23 April 2017 (UTC)

October 1991 is the correct date. Thanks for catching my mistake. TAWeiss 00:31, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

A batch of nongenre stories - if you disagree please comment

Currently there are numerous non-genre horror stories that are in the database because it's natural to just enter a book of horror or "tales of terror" without figuring out which stories are supernatural. I don't intend to systematically hunt for them, but when I spot one, I like to mark it nongenre. (In the case of classic stories, marking is better than removing it from the database because it'll just get re-added with some new anthology.) At the moment, I've spotted the following stories that I think need such a change, and I'm consulting people who have them in their verified pubs.

Firstly, there's Great Tales of Terror and the Supernatural (verified copies: (1), (2), (3), (4), (5), (6), (7)), which contains "A Terribly Strange Bed," "The Three Strangers," "The Most Dangerous Game," "Leiningen Versus the Ants," "A Rose for Emily," "Taboo," and undoubtedly other non-supernatural ones that I'm not noticing at the moment. Here are verified publications for those and some other stories:

Are there any of those stories you think ARE genre? Vasha 15:33, 30 May 2017 (UTC)

ADDENDUM: Discussion moved to the Community Portal. --Vasha 00:57, 31 May 2017 (UTC)

six TAWeiss 21:45, 29 June 2017 (EDT)

Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell

Hello, I have your submission on hold - was it just used to send a message to the moderators? If so, please use Community Portal or if you need a moderator to take action: Moderator noticeboard. The submission system should be used only when a change is submitted. If you meant to make a change, can you please let me know what it is?

As for the title (your message to the moderator) - please do not forget that we catalog based on the Title page of the books. So even if the covers and the copyright does not have a dot, if a title page does, this is what you go by. Please feel free to submit the change for the books you personally have and can verify (after notifying your fellow PVs on these books) but the rest will need to be handled carefully because there may be some that have the dot on the cover page. Annie 23:13, 11 July 2017 (EDT)

But how do we set a Title for a set of publications? TAWeiss 19:28, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
For the title record - you edit the title record and change the title. Then you edit each publication record to change the pub title one by one. If we will need a variant here, you will need to unmerge the editions that will need a new title (this will create new title records), merge them (so there is now only one title record for the new title, change that one to the new value, change all the publications inside of it and variant the title to the original. If all PVs agree that we need the dot, then the unmerge and variant are not necessary.
If you tell me exactly which records you want changed and how, I can either give you the step by step or do it for you. Annie 19:35, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
I just wasn't clear if should change the Title name, or if there needed to be more consensus given the number of publications and associated PVs. The changes should be fairly straightforward.TAWeiss 19:49, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
I saw you posted in the Community portal so let's see what the consensus will be. Annie 20:03, 12 July 2017 (EDT)
Easier than I expected. TAWeiss 21:36, 13 July 2017 (EDT)

Obsidian Butterfly

Replaced Amazon cover art for Obsidian Butterfly with a scan of my copy, updated Printing History and included source of cover designers. --AndyjMo 08:00, 6 August 2017 (EDT)

The Nimble Man

The Nimble Man: updated Printing History, added source of the Cover Artist and the LCCN. --AndyjMo 11:33, 6 August 2017 (EDT)

Tears of the Furies

Tears of the Furies: updated Printing History, added source of the Cover Artist and the LCCN. --AndyjMo 11:40, 6 August 2017 (EDT)

Stones Unturned

Stones Unturned: replaced Amazon cover art with a scan of my copy, added Copyright statement and LCCN. --AndyjMo 11:46, 6 August 2017 (EDT)

Crashing Paradise

Crashing Paradise: replaced Amazon cover art with a scan of my copy, added Copyright statement and LCCN. --AndyjMo 11:52, 6 August 2017 (EDT)

All good!. Thanks TAWeiss 19:41, 14 August 2017 (EDT)

Web of Defeat

Replaced Amazon cover art for Web of Defeat with a scan of my copy, also added the LCCN. --AndyjMo 06:22, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

Agnes Day

Added LCCN, OCLC, source of Cover Artist and Copyright statement to Agnes Day. --AndyjMo 06:47, 18 August 2017 (EDT)

ok TAWeiss 12:48, 27 August 2017 (EDT)

Hundred thousand kingdoms interview

Hi, could you check the interview at the end of The Hundred Thousand Kindgoms? You have the author as "Anonymous", but if there's simply no author mentioned that should be "uncredited" -- unless it literally says "Anonymous." Thanks! --Vasha 21:32, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

It should be uncredited. I had just cloned the primary, but should have checked. TAWeiss 09:28, 30 September 2017 (EDT)

Don F. Glut

The interviewee should always be entered using the canonical name of the author. I have rejected your pseudonym submission for Don F. Glut & have instead fixed the interview. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:55, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

Thanks TAWeiss 14:27, 28 October 2017 (EDT)

The bad death of eduard delacroix

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35486 just corrected typo in notes, notifying you as a verifier. thanks. gzuckier 00:59, 4 November 2017 (EDT)

Swords Against Darkness IV

Hi, the cover artist of this is Luis Bermejo, see the original art at todocollection.net. Horzel 17:05, 5 November 2017 (EST)

Thanks TAWeiss 17:06, 12 November 2017 (EST)

"Night in Funland"

I believe that in Night in Funland which you verified, the author of the title story is William Peden not Penden. Could you check that? --Vasha 02:57, 16 November 2017 (EST)

I'll dig out my copy and check. TAWeiss 22:24, 25 November 2017 (EST)
Any news on this? --Vasha 20:34, 22 February 2018 (EST)
I found it. Peden is correct. Sorry for the delay. I thought I had lost my copy. TAWeiss 13:05, 16 February 2019 (EST)


Gog is a primary verified publication and we credit per the publication. Please reach out to the verifier and ask them to double check the credit. If it's an error in the database, I'll approve your submission. If the publication has the error, we would leave it as is and then variant it to the correct name. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:12, 18 November 2017 (EST)

I've contacted the PV. TAWeiss 10:09, 26 November 2017 (EST)
Since Don has not been active, I've approved the change and added the source to the pub notes. If Don comes back and verifies the pub actually did use 'Steve', I'll make the necessary corrections to establish a "Steve Miller (I)" and make it a pseudonym of Stephen Miller. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:04, 20 December 2017 (EST)
Thanks !TAWeiss 10:05, 21 December 2017 (EST)


hi. I added the acknowledgments to the publication notes, if that's ok. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?322780 thanks. gzuckier 00:39, 22 November 2017 (EST)

Looks fine to meTAWeiss 10:09, 26 November 2017 (EST)

To Your Scattered Bodies Go

I added the cover artist credit to To Your Scattered Bodies Go along with a note on the source for this. --Marc Kupper 00:55, 7 December 2017 (EST)

ThanksTAWeiss 19:54, 7 December 2017 (EST)


I accepted your edit for Spells but could I ask you to please make two further edits (I'd do it myself but it's your verified pub):

  • We don't include series names in titles, so please remove "Isaac Asimov's Magical Worlds of Fantasy #4"
  • If 'A Literary Death' is credited to "Martin Harry Greenberg" on the first page of the story, then that is how it should be credited here. He already has that as a pseudonym so please make the title pseudonymous. You could then remove that line referring to this from the Note.

Thanks! PeteYoung 22:49, 17 December 2017 (EST)

PeteYoung, for your first point, please see ISFDB:Help_desk#Title rules. While I would not add it, the help specifically states that it's allowed. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:22, 18 December 2017 (EST)
I'm not clear on how to edit the publication to change the author. I don't have permission to edit the entry. Do I need to create a new content entry and delete the old one? Thanks ! TAWeiss 09:23, 18 December 2017 (EST)
When content is shared across multiple publications, it cannot be edited in the publication. It can only be edited at the title level (but any change there would impact all pubs containing that content so should only be done if the change should be in all pubs). To add a 'new' version to pub, you would need to:
  1. Edit the pub and add a new content record for that item.
  2. Use the "Remove Titles From This Pub" option to remove the old version
  3. Variant the old and new versions to each other
However, in this case, this content has only appeared in the various Spells books. I'd suggest contacting the other verifier to double check how it was entered in their pub. If same as yours, then the content record should simply be updated. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:04, 18 December 2017 (EST)
Sounds good!! TAWeiss 17:48, 18 December 2017 (EST)

Sailing to Sarantium publisher

Hi. I accepted your clones of Sailing to Sarantium. From Amazon's Look Inside and the Eos-related publisher names we already have in the database, I believe Eos is an imprint of HarperCollins, and we should record it that way (Eos / HarperCollins). I changed the non-verified 1st edition that you submitted, but I will leave yours for you to judge. The Look Inside shows on the title page:

An imprint of HarperCollinsPublishers

from which I take "HarperCollins" as the publisher's name, given the way they use the italics for the surrounding text, including "Publishers". See what you think. --MartyD 06:47, 19 December 2017 (EST)

I modified it to "Eos / HarperCollins". 07:10, 19 December 2017 (EST)
Thanks! TAWeiss 10:04, 21 December 2017 (EST)

The World of H. P. Lovecraft

I accepted your addition of The World of H. P. Lovecraft. I made the following mods:

  • Changed the type to OMNIBUS per our standards
  • Moved the catalog number from the ISBN field to the new catalog field. After a recent software change, these two fields are now separate.

I imported the contents of the individual books in the book sets. Please double check that. Feel free to tweak the page numbering if you like. Some folks like to prefix the page numbers with the book number to make the various books clearer for example. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:10, 31 December 2017 (EST)

I'll check it out now. I wasn't clear if an OMNIBUS could include a collection. Thanks for all the help. TAWeiss 10:18, 31 December 2017 (EST)

The Arkham Edition of H. P. Lovecraft

I accepted your addition of The Arkham Edition of H. P. Lovecraft. To have made this easier, you could have entered the publication without contents and then imported the contents from the existing publications. That would have saved all the typing. Plus it saves having to merge the new content records with the existing entries. Appreciate your willingness to type all that in, but might want to save yourself some time. ;-) -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:02, 1 January 2018 (EST)

Ugh. Oh well TAWeiss 15:11, 1 January 2018 (EST)

The Paths of the Dead

Hello, I've put your submission on hold. It seems to refer to a 4th printing but has the same publication date as the first printing. Shouldn't the date be set to "0000-00-00"? Hauck 09:23, 21 January 2018 (EST)

Fixed it. Thanks. TAWeiss 09:36, 21 January 2018 (EST)
Approved. Hauck 09:45, 21 January 2018 (EST)


I added a cover scan and some notes to your verified Artimis. Bob 17:05, 27 January 2018 (EST)

ThanksTAWeiss 17:14, 27 January 2018 (EST)

Iorich date

Hi. I accepted Iorich, but it had the original edition's 2010-11-30 date, while the notes stated February 2018, so I changed the date on it to 2018-02-00. I also merged the interiorart as you requested. --MartyD 07:46, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Thanks TAWeiss 11:32, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Jhegaala (diagram)


I am looking at your request and I do not see any updates. Is the update just to request the merge you mentioned in the moderator's note? If so, I can execute that but for future references, you can request the merge yourself - go to the author page and press "Show All Titles". This will open this page and you can request the merge from there. Annie 19:56, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Thanks for the info. I had tried to find the correct method for this. I removed my old submission and did it the correct way. TAWeiss 20:49, 1 February 2018 (EST)

Under the Dome

This title was added to the contents of our verified edition of Under the Dome as a piece of shortfiction. Since it is only a list of personages in the novel, I removed it. --Willem 13:59, 17 February 2018 (EST)

okTAWeiss 16:08, 17 February 2018 (EST)

The Black Cauldron

Hello, I've approved both your submissions, but, just to be sure, can you confirm that they both kept the "9780805080490" ISBN? Thanks. ~~

Yes. The ISBN is the same. TAWeiss 16:06, 19 February 2018 (EST)
Thanks for having a look. Hauck 02:11, 20 February 2018 (EST)

Norse Mythology

Hi. You are one of four who verified the 1st ed. 1st printing P605192. Momentarily I submit correction of the publisher moniker "Norton", which be eliminated from the database on approval.

Do you know the meaning of "Cover artist credited on dc"? Not the back cover if its image at Amazon is correct. The 6th printing verifier doesn't know.

(I notify the first 3 of 4 verifiers identically.) --Pwendt|talk 13:17, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Inside the book cover under Gaiman's picture.

Soul Music

Hello, I've put your submission on hold as I find the source of artist credit a bit light (and quite isolated), have you any spplemental evidence? Thanks. Hauck 09:40, 4 March 2018 (EST)

I agree. I will withdraw that submission. Tom TAWeiss 09:51, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Fires of Eden (map)

Should Fires of Eden (map) be INTERIORART instead of SHORTFICTION? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:42, 4 March 2018 (EST)

INTERIORART. I submitted the change. Thanks Tom TAWeiss 14:49, 4 March 2018 (EST)

Infinity Beach

Hello, I've put your submission on hold. Your note says "Second printing by the number line 10—3." which is incoherent. Can you confirm which printing it is? I'll adjust the submission accordingly.Hauck 02:39, 5 March 2018 (EST)

Corrected and re-submitted. TAWeiss 07:10, 5 March 2018 (EST)

Swords Against Death

Hi, I've imported content for your verified copy of Swords Against Death.--Dirk P Broer 07:56, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

Thanks! Tom TAWeiss 10:48, 1 April 2018 (EDT)

Ken Kelly new canonical name


I am in the process of changing the canonical name for Kelly and in a few books, the note does not specify if the Ken W. Kelly is used because it is credited this way (in which case I will variant) or because it was the canonical at the time (so the coverart needs a new author). Can you please check the following books:

Thanks in advance! PS: I have to go through a few more of these so I may need to ping you again. Annie 16:44, 2 April 2018 (EDT)

There is no credit in the book. The artwork appears to be signed "Ken W. Kelly" with his stylized signature, but is partially obscured. The W is present though. Tom TAWeiss 21:44, 7 April 2018 (EDT)

Out of Time's Abyss

I've added the Lin Carter Foreword to this ../Doug H 15:33, 5 April 2018 (EDT)

The Chessmen of Mars

I am adding ERB's essay on Jetan or Martian Chess to this publication. ../Doug H 16:26, 9 April 2018 (EDT)

Lost on Venus

Adding Foreword (Lost on Venus) • (1963) • essay by Vernell Coriell to this publication. ../Doug H 10:58, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

In this publication, the cover artist is incorrectly identified as Robert Abbett when it is Richard Powers. I'm adding to the notes and trying to change the cover artist. ../Doug H 11:26, 10 April 2018 (EDT)

Looks like the right change to me. Tom TAWeiss 13:12, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

A Kiss of Shadows

Re A Kiss of Shadows: This is listed as a third printing, but it has the same date as the first printing. Is this correct or should it be 0000-00-00? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:19, 8 May 2018 (EDT)

Fixed it. Thanks TAWeiss 20:51, 8 May 2018 (EDT)

The Annihilist


In this publication, you dropped the following note while moving OCLC: "WorldCat translates the catalog # into an ISBN". Was that on purpose or did you lose it when you copied the OCLC by mistake? Thanks! Annie 23:36, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

That was an error. Thanks for catching my mistake.TAWeiss 14:30, 31 May 2018 (EDT)
No worries. It is very way to drop these by mistake and I would usually just add it back after checking Worldcat to confirm it and then just let the editor know of the change. But as you are a PV on that one, I came over to ask instead. Thanks for moving these! Annie 16:18, 31 May 2018 (EDT)

Changing the author of a publication

Don't forget that when you change the author of a publication, you also need to change the author of the reference title - either by changing it directly or if the variant with the correct author exists, with removing the old (wrongly authored title) and importing the correct one. I did that for "The Sargasso Ogre" :) Annie 17:16, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

Pseudonyms are quite confusing in the database. I thought the title was already attributed to Kenneth Robeson and I was just changing the one publication. Thanks for your help. TAWeiss 18:41, 2 June 2018 (EDT)
We had two of them and inside of your publication, it was the one with the old author :) Annie 18:44, 2 June 2018 (EDT)

Gerald Kersh

You may know Harlan Ellison has a site dedicated to Gerald Kersh, and it has a wealth of bibliographic detail (eg. here and here) which I would like to use to enhance our records. This would probably alter some of the detail in publications you have verified, eg. more accurate dates for The Secret Masters/The Great Wash and some of his collections. Also, given the great amount of genre short fiction we have for him, would you consider Kersh to be 'above the threshold' as I do? I would like to add the non-genre short stories that are included in his many collections, but I want to get other verifiers opinions first. Given his standing as a highly respected genre author I think our biblio page for him is lacking and ought to more resemble that of Kurt Vonnegut, who also has a large number of non-genre short stories listed. What do you think? PeteYoung 13:10, 3 June 2018 (EDT)

I had not been familiar with Gerald Kersh in the past, but based on what I've seen, he appears to be above the threshold. TAWeiss 19:14, 5 June 2018 (EDT)


The signature on this cover is not R. de Sant, but R. DeSoto, hence Rafael DeSoto. See flickr for a clear cover scan. See also The Haploids for another Lion Books cover by DeSoto. Horzel 15:52, 10 June 2018 (EDT)

I checked my copy and the artist's name is not visible on the cover. I can see that there are other references which confirm your finding though. I will update the pub. Thanks, Tom TAWeiss 20:59, 11 June 2018 (EDT)

Publisher of Ancillary Justice

Hi. An editor proposes to change the publisher on your verified Ancillary Justice from "Orbit" to "Orbit (US)" based on ISBN and price. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --MartyD 08:48, 30 June 2018 (EDT)

I am admittedly not clear on whether we should list and imprint or publisher. I personally would prefer Orbit to Orbit (US). Tom TAWeiss 08:29, 1 July 2018 (EDT)
After studying it some more and checking with the other moderators, the conclusion is that we should be using "Orbit (US)" for the US-published Orbit books. I did find that the ISBN group is currently assigned to Hatchette Book Group USA. So I accepted the submission, even though we'd both prefer "Orbit". It seems best from a consistency/ISFDB practice standpoint. --MartyD 19:20, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
Fair enough. I'll use Orbit (US) going forward. Tom TAWeiss 08:11, 11 July 2018 (EDT)

Nemesis Games excerpt in Cibola Burn

Hi. You have the excerpt from Nemesis Games in this as "Nemisis Games". I assume that's just a typo? Or is there an actual mistake in the book? TerokNor 03:57, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

Oops. Nice catch! It's a typo. Tom TAWeiss 20:21, 5 July 2018 (EDT)

Moderator notes


When adding additional notes and/or adding or moving external identifiers to verified publications (such as this submission), the PV cannot see what had changed once it is approved - they only see you changed the Notes field (or the external IDs one). But they can see the moderator notes. So can you start adding a moderator note ("in this case I would have added "oclc moved" or something like that) so when the PV sees that their record is changed, they can actually see what is changed? I tend to add such notes to all my submissions but the PV's EditPub are the ones where it is the most important :)

This is not a shortcut for big changes - you still need to talk to the verifiers before doing these, but for this kind of updates, it is perfectly serviceable.

Thanks in advance! Annie 12:22, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

ok TAWeiss 20:41, 6 July 2018 (EDT)

The Bones of Giants

Corrected the page count for your verified The Bones of Giants.16:26, 8 July 2018 (EDT)

Looks good. Thanks TAWeiss 19:49, 8 July 2018 (EDT)

Battlestar Galactica

FYI, I have updated the Notes field of your verified Battlestar Galactica for readability. Ahasuerus 18:23, 14 August 2018 (EDT)

Works for me! Tom TAWeiss 18:30, 15 August 2018 (EDT)

Princep's Fury

I have replaced the Amazon image with a scan for this pub. ../Doug H 22:36, 4 September 2018 (EDT)

The Incomplete Enchanter

Replaced Amazon image with a scan in this publication. ../Doug H 23:49, 16 September 2018 (EDT)

Gaiman's Six to Six

Please see this discussion, question 1. Zapp has suggested changing Neil Gaiman's "Six to Six" from a short story to an essay. It does appear to be nonfiction to me. Please let us know if you agree. You also may want to consider the two corrections that I made to the collection (questions 2 and 3) in your copy. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 11:26, 1 January 2019 (EST)

"Six to Six" should be an essay. Zapp had already changed my pub, though I'll need to fix it. TAWeiss 21:17, 2 January 2019 (EST)

The Body Snatchers

I replaced a dead link to Bookscans on The Body Snatchers with a working one. MOHearn 19:10, 15 January 2019 (EST)

American Gods


You have verified this and this - both being 5th printing of the pb. Am I missing something or are these the same (and if so, can I delete the one that you are the only verifier)? Thanks! Annie 14:30, 28 January 2019 (EST)

Please delete this. TAWeiss 13:07, 16 February 2019 (EST)

the town

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?236605 Added a bit to notes. gzuckier 17:12, 31 January 2019 (EST)

The Ballad of Black Tom

Hello, I've added a note to your verified copy of The Ballad of Black Tom stating that this pub is actually PoD. Could you check your copy, and let me know if it has similar PoD info in the pub? If yours does not, let me know and I'll separate out the PoD version from the actually printed version. Thanks! MagicUnk 13:50, 29 April 2019 (EDT)

This is not a PoD copy. Please separate it out. TAWeiss 21:29, 10 May 2019 (EDT)

All Systems Red

Hello, I've just submitted an update of your PV'd record of All Systems Red. My copy seems to be PoD, as it states it has been printed in Poland and I've added a note clarifying this. Could you verify your copy, and confirm whether or not yours contains PoD info too? If so, can you let me know what exactly?
See for example Binti: The Night Masquerade for an example where there's both regular, and PoD copies available. If it turns out All Systems Red is a similar case, we can separate the pub record out into a regular, and a PoD one. MagicUnk 11:05, 1 May 2019 (EDT)

My printing has no POD indication.
Hi Tom, sorry for not getting to it earlier, but I have now submitted a PoD record for both All Systems Red and The Ballad of Black Tom, and have updated the original records you've verified to clarify they are for the non-PoD versions. Please have a look once approved and let me know if the updated notes are accurate enough. Thx! MagicUnk 06:37, 15 July 2019 (EDT)

A Brightness Long Ago

I added a scan of the cover and some notes to your verified A Brightness Long Ago. Bob 15:47, 28 May 2019 (EDT)

Looks good TAWeiss 18:11, 29 May 2019 (EDT)


Hey, I wanted to add to the Jongor entries that you have listed here, and here turning them from novels to novellas so that I can merge the already listed novellas, and my new listings. If you go here, you can see my brief discussion on the matter. Let me know your opinion. MLB 04:58, 4 June 2019 (EDT)

It seems like they fit the novel category to me based on a rough estimate of size. I only have the first and third of the series. Tom TAWeiss 18:30, 6 June 2019 (EDT)
You're the only verifier to answer my query, and verifier's word is law. So I'll let it go. Thanks for answering. MLB 05:58, 7 June 2019 (EDT)

The Complete Nebula Award-Winning Fiction

You primary-verified this title: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?37444. I have submitted a correction on the title of the afterword. Hifrommike65 22:27, 29 June 2019 (CDT)

Ironcrown Moon

I have changed the format of this publication from tp to pb, on the basis that it matches my copy and the OCLC reference and I cannot find any reference to a trade size copy. If you copy is indeed a tp with the same number of pages, I'd be happy to change it back, add a new publication and notify the other primary verifiers. ../Doug H 14:02, 13 July 2019 (EDT)

Submission approved. My copy is also pb, not tp. --Willem 14:10, 13 July 2019 (EDT)
pb is correct. TAWeiss 10:19, 14 July 2019 (EDT)

Lost Souls cover art

Hi. I have added cover artist (Miran Kim) to your verified, as per other editions and pubs. Cheers ! Linguist 09:02, 15 August 2019 (EDT).

The Warrior's Apprentice

For "The Warrior's Apprentice" (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?340765) you state as cover artist "Gary Ruddell". The other two pubs have "Alan Gutierrez". None of the pubs states where this information comes from, but only one of the two can be true for the same cover. Can you please check if your entry is correct? --Stoecker 15:09, 27 August 2019 (EDT)

It looks like Ruddell's style, and it's a different cover than the first edition which is by Gutierrez. It's also credited here to Ruddell. I found this online as well "Reprint 1986 paperback; fifth printing. New cover art by Gary Ruddell replaces the old Alan Gutierrez still credited on the copyright page." I'll keep digging
My printing credits Ruddell on the title page.

Fighting Men of Mars

Replaced cover of this with full wraparound version scanned from my own copy --Mavmaramis 12:07, 7 September 2019 (EDT)

"Double Helix: Until the Shadows Flee Away" title change

Hi. Your proposed change to Double Helix: Until the Shadows Flee Away would affect not just the contents of the publication for which you have made yourself a primary verifier, but also this one, primary-verified by Willem H. and by DESiegel60. Willem is very active (and is also a moderator). You should confirm that change with him. Since you are looking at very different editions, it is possible the title does not appear the same way in both. I have the submission on hold pending the outcome. Thanks. --MartyD 10:27, 13 October 2019 (EDT)

I reached out to Willem. TAWeiss 19:36, 14 October 2019 (EDT)
I probably forgot to check all titles when verifying this one. The edit is correct, and can be approved. Thanks, --Willem 02:36, 15 October 2019 (EDT)
Done. Thanks! --MartyD 07:00, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

The Innocent Mage

The 12th printing won't be in 2007-09-00. If the book does not give you a date, it should be 0000-00-00. Annie 18:51, 15 October 2019 (EDT)

The clone option should really default to either no date, or 0000-00-00. It's too easy to miss that. Thanks for notifying me. TAWeiss 18:35, 16 October 2019 (EDT)

King of the Vagabonds

I've replaced the Amazon cover with a scanned cover of our verified this Sjmathis 10:30, 26 October 2019 (EDT)

Library of the Unwritten

Hi, wanted to let you know that I added a couple of notes to The Libary of the Unwritten, and corrected no of pages. Let me know if you disagree. Thanks! MagicUnk 09:59, 27 October 2019 (EDT)

I had thought that we weren't adding acknowledgment page numbers, but I can see that guidance has changed since I last checked. It all looks good to me. TAWeiss 18:25, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
We don't add them as essays (mostly... some editors do, it is down to decision based on length and preferences. The official rule says "Generally do not include. Occasionally an acknowledgments may contain more than a simple listing of copyright dates and thank-yous to friends and researchers; if it contains material such as reminiscences, opinionation or anything else likely to interest a reader or researcher, consider including it. "). The page number in Notes is up to the editor really. I like adding them as well - so it is clear what is actually in the book albeit unindexed. Sometimes it is enough to realize that this is not your edition/printing. Annie 18:50, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
Yup. I agree with Annie. I tend to add spurious contents to the notes for completeness' sake, (almost) never as separate title to the contents. It helps someone else to understand where the novel proper ends, and what's on the remaining numbered pages, for example. And I don't think the guidance has changed, adding page nos in the notes has always been left to the editors discretion, no? MagicUnk 23:41, 1 November 2019 (EDT)
There was a discussion here which left me with the impression that I should leave them out. I prefer including all of the numbered pages with notes to explain the added content. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Taweiss (talkcontribs) .
Unless I am misreading (and I might be), the discussion is about including or not as items (and adding pages there) and not the note field. Short of copying the whole text (and repeating data that is already on the page and clear (aka no need to repeat the US price on a US book unless yo are doing it to show exact formatting), an editor decides what to add to the Notes - some people write copious notes, some don't. As long as the data is factually correct, I have no issues with adding as many details as one deems appropriate. I am much more likely to go to an editor for too little details :) Annie 16:08, 2 November 2019 (EDT)
I don't think it was that discussion :) But if it was, I'm personally not a huge fan of adding Acknoledgments and its ilk to the contents as separate item. Rather have them written down in the notes as per the example. MagicUnk 16:50, 2 November 2019 (EDT)


Are you adding a book for this? While AddVariant and then AddPub is a valid sequence, keep in mind that if the variant is there when the cleanup reports run (1 am Eastern US time) and the publication is not, the variant shows up on a report -- and have a big chance of being deleted before you add a publication (and sometimes by mistake while your addPub or import is still in the queue, making it invalid. So it makes more sense to go the other way around - add the new book, then variant. Let me know if you want me to approve this anyway. Annie 23:35, 16 November 2019 (EST)

It is approved now and I fixed the translator credit to use the template. As I mentioned, it is very likely to get deleted on the next reports cycle so I hope you are around on Sunday to add the publication you wanted to add. Annie 02:59, 17 November 2019 (EST)
Thanks for the help. I've added the publication. I was a bit confused on how to enter the Novel data itself. The error message I got trying to specify that the novel starts on page 15 blocked me from entering that information saying it would be automatically generated. Also AddVariant then AddPub seemed logical. Is there a better way? Tom TAWeiss 10:52, 17 November 2019 (EST)
Add the novel as a new Novel. Then when approved, variant the title to the original and edit the publication to add the page number. Annie 11:34, 17 November 2019 (EST)
Got it! Thanks again TAWeiss 11:36, 17 November 2019 (EST)
I added the page number as 15 after approving based on the note above. :) Novels starting page always get added as a second edit UNLESS you are importing or cloning - then you can add them on the first step. Confusing, isn't it? :) The reason is that the container and the contained are the same type. If you think of chapbooks, you can add the page to the story but the chapbook is not even visible until it is created. Same for the novel here except that there is a single record. Annie 12:55, 17 November 2019 (EST)

(unindent) AddVariant again first on Beowulf? :) Annie 18:37, 18 November 2019 (EST)

I added the pub. I'm getting the feeling that I did this backward again. I need a state diagram for this. TAWeiss 18:40, 18 November 2019 (EST)
Yup. :) Always "New Novel". Then "Make variant". We will not delete a book that is not connected to the original, we will delete a title that does not have a book attached to it. Or make sure there is a friendly moderator around so the title does not get deleted by mistake :) Annie 19:11, 18 November 2019 (EST)

Moving publications between variants

I approved the addition and deletion but for the future, you can move a book from one variant to another. It is a two step process:

  • Unmerge from the old record. This will pull the publication from the old title and create a new title for it.
  • Merge the newly created title where it belongs (you can edit before that or just use the merge to overwrite the needed fields.

Annie 21:42, 18 November 2019 (EST)

Essay vs fiction

Hi, Forewords, Afterwords, Introductions, Glossaries: They are all ESSAY, not SHORT FICTION.--Dirk P Broer 16:40, 19 November 2019 (EST)

Thanks for catching my mistake TAWeiss 17:56, 20 November 2019 (EST)

Fantasy of the 20th Century: An Illustrated History

Hi, I've changed the date of the interior art 'The Hand of Chaos' p114 to it's original publication date (1994-00-00) - your PV here. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 23:28, 22 November 2019 (EST)

Horror Times Ten


Can you please check this one on the exact spelling of Doyle's name and story? We had been having some reshuffling and some publications may have ended up in the wrong variant. Thanks and sorry for the trouble. Annie 18:45, 23 November 2019 (EST)

The Captain of the 'Pole Star' by Sir Arthur Conan Doyle. Should I update the record? TAWeiss 12:57, 24 November 2019 (EST)
There are other errors I need to fix. TAWeiss 13:00, 24 November 2019 (EST)
yes. It needs to be unmerged and merged to the proper place. Let me know if you do not know how or if you want me to do it. Thanks for checking! Annie 13:01, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Also keep in mind that single and double quotes are used interchangeably per policy - so we do not variant for that. We will variant here because of the use of the Sir in the name though. :) Annie 13:03, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Gorgon's Head is listed as by "Dorothy Baker" so I assume I need to create a pseudonym. And the "lonesome place" is by "August W. Derleth", so I assume that should be unmerged and remerged as well. Let me take a shot at this so I can learn. TAWeiss 13:07, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Yup. Authors in your listing should be as printed. Then the stories get varianted (and unmerged before that if they are not only here) - or merged if we already have the proper variant. Annie 13:10, 24 November 2019 (EST)
How do I unmerge? TAWeiss 13:14, 24 November 2019 (EST)
Go to the title level - the story itself in this case. Look on the left menu. There is an ”Unmenge Titles” link - second from the bottom in the Editing tools menu. It will list the publications that have the record. Choose the ones you want to pull out. Write a moderator note to tell the moderators why you are unmerging. Submit and wait for approval. Annie 13:18, 24 November 2019 (EST)

You're getting your variants backwards. Instead of varianting the parent, you have to wait for the unmerge to be completed, edit the new record, and then variant the new record to the existing parent. In approving the Derleth and Doyle unmerges, I went ahead and made the necessary corrections and variants as I didn't see this discussion. For "Gorgon's Head", I will approve the unmerge and let you make the remaining changes since you want to learn. You will need to:

  1. Edit the new, unmerged title to change the author name. In this case, you will need to change it to "Dorothy Baker (I)" as it is unlikely to be the same author as the current Dorothy Baker.
  2. Variant the new, unmerged title to the existing "The Gorgon's Head" entry. In other words, you will need to go to the new entry, select "Make This Title a Variant", use Option 1, and enter the title id number (98152) for the existing record.
  3. Once #1 is approved. Create an alternate name relationship between "Dorothy Baker (I)" and Gertrude Bacon

Hope this helps and let us know if you have more questions. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:13, 24 November 2019 (EST)

Makes sense. Thanks for the help! TAWeiss 14:26, 24 November 2019 (EST)

MCU books

Remove Iron Man: Invasion of the Space Phantoms and delete the series Mighty Marvel Chapter Books

Some of these are movie novelisations and some are bridge materials between the movies. Marvel Cinematic Universe Storybook Collection Marvel Cinematic Universe: Phase Two Marvel Studios: The First Ten Years Anniversary Collection Thor The Dark World: The Movie Storybook The Dark World Thor Ragnarok: The Legend of Thor Ragnarok Guardians of the Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 of the Galaxy Vol. 2 Ant Man The Heroes' Journey Doctor Strange Doctor Strange Avengers Marvel Avengers: The Book of the Film Avengers Assemble Avengers Assembled Age of Ultron All of the books in this series Homecoming Homecoming Hulk Not this one - Ang Lee pre MCU Incredible Hulk Incredible Hulk Delete Iron Man: New Series since books are unrelated Iron Man Iron Man 2 Iron Man 2 Black Panther Winter Soldier First Avenger Winter Soldier Civil War: Junior Novel Civil War

Blade Runner : PKD

Hi, I'm replacing the broken link to the artist's website on your PV here. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 11:30, 28 November 2019 (EST)

The Truth is a Cave in the Black Mountains

I've added some details to the notes of The Truth is a Cave in the Black Mountains. Susan O'Fearna 04:35, 1 December 2019 (EST)


Added notes, cover scan, interior art and some external IDs to your PVd Amped.Jim 13:35, 28 December 2019 (EST)

I don't see any changes to my PVd Amped. TAWeiss 22:06, 28 December 2019 (EST)
It was not approved yet. I just got it. :) Annie 22:32, 28 December 2019 (EST)

The Martian - Andy Weir

Hi, could you check if Fred Haynes is actually credited anywhere in this publication. If not, then please see the 2nd para here [3]. JLaTondre may have missed yours. Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 11:16, 30 December 2019 (EST)

Looks like I should update the map. TAWeiss 12:38, 1 January 2020 (EST)
Do you mean you need to update the map to show the map "by Fred Haynes (as by uncredited)" because there is no map credit on the copyright page (as there is in this Broadway print)? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 14:04, 1 January 2020 (EST)

Yes. TAWeiss 12:45, 3 January 2020 (EST)

It's been awhile now with this, shall I go ahead and make the change? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 07:36, 6 May 2020 (EDT)
Go ahead. I totally forgot about this. TAWeiss 19:28, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
Thanks, I'll get it done. Kev. BanjoKev 19:53, 8 May 2020 (EDT)
Sorry to bother you with this again. I now realize I might have misunderstood your replies. Can I restate the first question - so, on your copyright page, does it state "Map by Fred Haynes"? Thanks, Kev. BanjoKev 13:51, 13 May 2020 (EDT)
Sorry. It’s been oddly hectic here. The copyright page of my printing credits Fred Haynes for the map. So I believe my entry is correct. TAWeiss
Thanks! I have a later printing of the same edition and usually such details are the same. I'll add to the notes about the map and, while I'm there, correct the pagination. Please let me know if I've got anything wrong. Kev. BanjoKev 09:56, 14 May 2020 (EDT)

Deus Irae

Some copies of Deus Irae show the initials RLC, which are those of Richard Courtney, see for example Count Brass. Horzel 13:53, 7 January 2020 (EST)

Submission adding the credit approved. --Willem 15:06, 7 January 2020 (EST)


Hi, Concerning your verified copy of King Arthur and His Knights of the Round by Roger Lancelyn Green: Does 'Avalon' indeed appear at both pages 178 and 278 and, if it does: is it in both cases short fiction, or is the latter the epilogue and as such an essay?--Dirk P Broer 20:58, 29 January 2020 (EST)

The entry for page 178 is a mistake and should be removed. TAWeiss 08:03, 30 January 2020 (EST)

The Holiness of Azédarac in Smith's Lost Worlds, Volume 1

We have the Clark Ashton Smith story "The Holiness of Azédarac" listed in your verified printing Lost Worlds: Volume 1 without the accent over the e ([4]). I have verified that the first printing of the collection contains the accent and have corrected that publication. I would expect that your copy does as well and if so, the titles should be swapped. I'll leave this message on the other active permanent verifier's page as well. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:27, 1 February 2020 (EST)

unfortunately my copy is inaccessible right now. I’ll check once I can get to my books TAWeiss 23:42, 7 February 2020 (EST)

The Return of the King

Hi, You are the only verifier of any volume of The Lord of the Rings in its 1st US ed., namely vol 3 P382774. With one publ note "Jacket design by Walter Lorraine".
There is a single front jacket illustration shared by all three volumes in this edition, which others have entered as COVERART by Walter Lorraine (both for vol 3 in later printings, and vol 1 in this edition). So I imported the COVERART credit, T848355 --after approval of update, that will be as 1956 variant of its 1954 use for vol 1.

Contemporary evidence: one closeup from this illustration accompanies the Chicago Tribune review of The Two Towers (Edward Wagenknecht, "The Making of a Classic", 1955-04-25 pD3 --in case you have access and interest) with this caption: Illustration by Walter Lorraine in "The Two Towers". --Pwendt|talk 21:16, 17 February 2020 (EST)

I wasn't originally clear if "Jacket design" meant cover artist. It's good to have that clarified. TAWeiss 11:24, 22 February 2020 (EST)

Paperbacks from Hell: The Twisted History of '70s and '80s Horror Fiction

Hi, I added the afterword for Paperbacks from Hell: The Twisted History of '70s and '80s Horror Fiction on insistence of the author of the afterword, Will Errickson, who also claims to be mentioned as co-author on the title page -and indeed: 'with Will Errickson' in the Amazon LookInside!.--Dirk P Broer 06:36, 26 February 2020 (EST)

Fair enough.I'll take a second look. TAWeiss 18:24, 26 February 2020 (EST)

The Shadow Over Innsmouth and Other Stories of Horror

Hi, the signature on this seems to be same as on The Time Machine a.o.s. (and both for Scholastic), so the cover artist must be Alan Magee. Horzel 18:58, 16 March 2020 (EDT)

I agree. It looks like his signature. TAWeiss 09:55, 21 March 2020 (EDT)


Hi, the cover artist of this and this is Boris Vallejo, see ha.com which shows the original signed art. Horzel 15:12, 28 March 2020 (EDT)

The City We Became

Hi. I've also PV'd http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?757963. I've got time on my hands (retired) and I note on your home page you don't, so FYI I'm going to add Pub Notes and Image to the record. Hope you're staying safe and healthy. Regards, Mark Markwood 08:57, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

Not a big fan of the html formatting though. Any reason why you added it? TAWeiss 20:42, 1 April 2020 (EDT)

From The Earth To The Moon Including The Sequel Round The Moon

This omnibus contains two novels which are both titled From The Earth To The Moon Including The Sequel Round The Moon. Should one actually be From The Earth To The Moon and the other Round The Moon? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:22, 7 April 2020 (EDT)

I'll get it out this weekend, and confirm it. TAWeiss 20:28, 9 April 2020 (EDT)
The translator was identified, so hooking them up to the correct TITLE record should be possible. You should be able to determine these from De la Terre à la Lune and Autour de la Lune. ../Doug H 10:22, 10 April 2020 (EDT)
I've updated the publication with the correct titles. TAWeiss 08:19, 11 April 2020 (EDT)
Thanks. I've merged them to the correct translation per the translation credit in the publication notes. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:40, 11 April 2020 (EDT)

Jules Verne translations

I have been documenting the various translations of Jules Verne's works and trying to identify a piece of text from each translation so editors can position their publications under the correct title record. You are on record as a primary verifier for one or more publications for which I am looking for text or which are placed under a generic translation title. I would be grateful if you could assist in this by checking your copies, as listed below, and providing the initial text for missing translations or an indication of the translation for those unspecified. These are listed on the Jules Verne Translations wiki. Thank you. ../Doug H 15:12, 18 April 2020 (EDT)

Both of these have the same text, and the Big Book Of Science Fiction specifically references the Forum Publishing translation. They both start with " Little though they seem to think of it, the people of this twenty-ninth century live continually in fairyland." TAWeiss 21:00, 19 April 2020 (EDT)
My thanks. I'll move the pubs to the correct title record. ../Doug H 13:43, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, 13th Series

The Best from Fantasy and Science Fiction, 13th Series has an introduction with a page number of "del". Did this version truly not have the introduction? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:41, 21 April 2020 (EDT)

There is no introduction in this version. It starts with the first story. TAWeiss 22:39, 21 April 2020 (EDT)
Thanks. I have removed it from the pub. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:42, 22 April 2020 (EDT)


I submitted more information about dating the third Ace printing that you primary-verified, & located the OCLC external ID for it: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?267957 Mike 17:31, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

looks good to me TAWeiss 19:16, 10 May 2020 (EDT)

Baptism of Fire

Can you add a note here about the printing number so it is clear why we have a second record for this ISBN? Thanks! Annie 16:12, 28 May 2020 (EDT)

Doh! On it! TAWeiss 18:26, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
Approved. :) As I keep saying - this is why we have submit/approve system - two sets of eyes (or same set twice) are more likely to spot something like that than one :). Annie 19:57, 28 May 2020 (EDT)
Works for me! Thanks TAWeiss 21:35, 28 May 2020 (EDT)

The City of Gold and Lead

I noticed this when I was gonna verify my own edition. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?439434, price says $0.95, cover says $1.25. --Spacecow 06:04, 7 September 2020 (EDT)

My copy has $.95 on the cover. Perhaps you have a Canadian or later printing. TAWeiss 17:55, 7 September 2020 (EDT)
Ah, there might be a slight misunderstanding. Spacecow pointed to a discrepancy in the pub data you've verified. The cover art will need to be fixed, as currently it says $1.25. Will you upload a new cover image? MagicUnk 19:50, 7 September 2020 (EDT)
Just a note that the cover image has not been updated yet. Can you do that? Thanks. MagicUnk 03:00, 20 September 2020 (EDT)

Asimov's The Rest of the Robots

I've started a discussion on the Community Portal regarding some changes I'd like to make to the publications of Asimov's The Rest of the Robots. Since you verified a copy, please weigh in there and let me know your opinion on the proposed changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:28, 15 September 2020 (EDT)

I read through the threads and your suggestions looked correct to me. TAWeiss 10:49, 22 September 2020 (EDT)

Bachman Books

I added cover art cresit to The Bachman Books so can set cover art to art Susan O'Fearna 01:56, 7 October 2020 (EDT)

okTAWeiss 21:09, 10 October 2020 (EDT)


A small change in your verified. The introduction was added as a story (And not an essay) and as Neuromancer (introduction) instead of the standard way of Introduction (Neuromancer). If the title is "Neuromancer (introduction)" in the book, I will change it back and add a note -- all I can find is pointing to just Introduction - which we have a standard way to record. Thanks! Annie 18:55, 11 October 2020 (EDT)

okTAWeiss 20:01, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

Berserker cover added

I added a cover to Berserker Susan O'Fearna 13:11, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

Double Star / Heinlein -- two 5th printings, each with an inactive PV

Could you move your PV over to this version [5]? I'm trying to deal with dups. Thanks. --GlennMcG 20:18, 15 October 2020 (EDT)

Let's keep the original record. This is a the duplicate

Storm Front

There appear to be two publication records for the same publication. Both are the 18th printing with one record using the ISBN10 and the other the ISBN13 of the same ISBN. I suspect you and the other editor should work out how to combine them or to add notes that explain why there are two records and how to distinguish the publications.

--Marc Kupper 15:33, 21 December 2020 (EST)

I've deleted my entry, and added my PV to Marty's. Tom TAWeiss 10:26, 24 December 2020 (EST)
Well, that was easy! :-) --MartyD 14:35, 24 December 2020 (EST)

Short fiction or essay?

Hi, couldn't this title be an ESSAY? Stonecreek 03:16, 25 December 2020 (EST)

You are correct. I've updated the entry. TAWeiss 10:29, 29 December 2020 (EST)

Princeps' Fury / Butcher

I'm cloning [6] for a later printing, and noticed the format given doesn't match my copy. My copy of later printing, but same price, is a premium/tall rack format. --GlennMcG 21:17, 26 December 2020 (EST)

I've updated the formatting of the entry. TAWeiss 10:31, 29 December 2020 (EST)

Crooked Kingdom

Hello, According to our record and everything I can find with a quick check 2018-09-04 is the date of the first printing of Square Fish's paperback. If that is wrong and this is the date of the 9th, you can update this one instead of cloning and I can chase down the date of the first. If this was just a technical omission during the cloning which resulted in this submission, I can reset and set the date to 0000-00-00. Let me know. Thanks! Annie 17:44, 23 January 2021 (EST)

It should 0000-00-00. Sorry for the error. Any chance we could make a blank date the default for cloning? How often does a clone have the same date as an original? TAWeiss 14:16, 26 January 2021 (EST)
I will approve and adjust. Depends on what you clone for. New printings won’t but new formats will have the same date often for example. but feel free to post a proposal in Community Support. Annie 14:44, 26 January 2021 (EST)

Colorado Kid 2019 Introduction

From looking at a library copy, I'm removing the 2007 "Introduction (The Colorado Kid)" in the 2019 edition and replacing it with "The Birth (and Rebirth) of the Colorado Kid," the intro dated 2019 and referring to the 2010-2015 "Haven". MOHearn 13:03, 18 February 2021 (EST)

Good catch! TAWeiss 21:18, 18 February 2021 (EST)

Engines of God / McDevitt

Could you check your copy of Engines of God [7] for price? My copy of 10th printing (by number line) is $7.50/C$9.99, but the record indicates $6.99. Thanks. --GlennMcG 17:06, 28 February 2021 (EST)

I entered it wrong. Thanks for letting me know. I've updated the entry. TAWeiss 21:09, 2 March 2021 (EST)

Reach for Tomorrow

I have serious doubts regarding the quationable attribution of Josh Kirby as the possible cover artist of this edition. It isn't listed in the back of this publication. My hunch, by style, is Joe Petagno but I have no proof.

I'm not sure who added the attribution. I haven't looked into it. TAWeiss 21:09, 2 March 2021 (EST)
Another PV informed me it was Hauck who added the attribution. He is no longer active. No indication in book or on cover as to who did it. Petagno is merely my own personal gut feeling opinion. --Mavmaramis 11:43, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Demons by daylight

Added cover art credit to Demons by daylight.   Susan O'Fearna 21:29, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Dragon Magazine, #48, April 1981

Quick note: I added {{incomplete}} to this record so we do not forget to add the missing contents. If the rest is not genre and we will treat the magazine as non-genre, then there are other changes to be done instead. Let me know :) Annie 13:42, 15 March 2021 (EDT)

I think as a gaming magazine with mostly non-genre content, we would consider this a non-genre magazine. Out of the 400+ issues, maybe half with have genre content. TAWeiss 20:10, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
Is there anything wrong with my other pending edits or is it just a lot of other pending efforts filling the queue? TAWeiss 20:13, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
Just bad timing - we are having more than usual traffic and less than the usual number of moderators around. I had been picking out some edits (thus me catching this one) so the order is also a bit messed up. :)
Yep - that means non-genre magazines which will mean no cover image (unless it illustrates our story), no editor names (unless it is ours and then we do it in a special way) and a few other small changes. I will change this issue and then will come to show what I did and will finish all your pending ones (give me an hour to grab dinner first though) :) Annie 21:05, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
OK - so this is how it is supposed to look like here. Note the way we credit the editors ("Enter in the "Editor" field "Editors of PERIODICAL NAME". If the actual editor is known with reasonable certainty, you may optionally enter the name(s) of the editor(s) as co-editors, but leave "Editors of PERIODICAL NAME" as one of the editors in any case. For the "Editors of" line, get the actual periodical name as correct as possible. ".) and we mark the EDITOR as non-genre. If the editor is a known name in the field, we can add their name as a second author. See this for the details. I see someone approved a few already so I will clear these and then will look at what you have in the queue. If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to ask :)
OH dear - did not realize just how many we have that are messed up. This will take awhile :) We dropped that ball a long time ago. I will keep fixing these slowly - but if you are adding any new ones, they are definitely non-genre :) I will need a favor though - to go through the ones you have and check when the cover belongs to the story/content we are indexing. If it is not ours, we need to remove the path to it and the coverart. When it is ours, we add a comment saying so. 1981 is fixed except for the covers.Annie 21:22, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
I'm afraid that I don't follow. The magazine contains articles, reviews and stories. Why did you remove the cover link? Don't we retain the cover of the magazine? The magazine editor is credited at the start of every issue. They are also listed on the Wikipedia page. I'm assuming that I give them credit as Editor so I don't need a generic reference. TAWeiss 21:35, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
Not for non-genre magazines. See the link I posted above: How to enter non-genre periodicals. The main differences:
  • No cover images or Coverart records UNLESS the cover illustrates story/contents we are indexing.
  • The editors are always added as "Editors of Periodical". In case we know the actual editors and they are genre authors/editors, we add them as co-editors.
  • We index/list only genre content as we define it her in ISFDB (what you had been doing anyway).
The main difference between genre and non-genre magazine is how we treat non-genre contents inside of it - for genre magazines we add EVERYTHING regardless if it is is genre or not; for non-genre we only add the genre contents. That is why for Analog we index all the Science fact articles for example regardless if they have any speculative content; while for The New Yorker we index only the stories and relevant articles. Dragon Magazine is like The New Yorker - most of the contents does not belong. So it is a non-genre magazine and follows the rules for those. Hope this makes more sense. Annie 21:53, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
Yes. I follow now. I was trying to follow the previously entered magazines, but as you point out, it's a mess.

TAWeiss 21:56, 15 March 2021 (EDT)

Oh, I absolutely understand. The first issues were added in the days when the rules were evolving and unlike almost all other magazines, noone cleaned this one up... I will fix the issues we have, I will need you to check the covers though when you have a chance - some ARE ours and have to stay... I know I had approved at least one of those as well without checking - I was just adding incomplete this time around when I realized that this may be the wrong thing to do here - so came to ask. Glad I did... (well... I did not have plans this evening anyway) :) Annie 22:00, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
So the covers are generic and I haven't found any directly relate to the story. What is the criteria to determine which covers remain? Is the artist or does it need to link to another genre publication? Would we keep the Boris and Hildebrant covers when they relate to the interviews from the magazine? I'll recheck the earlier entries, and remove the covers as I verify. They I can finish indexing the fiction and reviews from the remainder using your template. Thanks for all the help! TAWeiss 22:03, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
From the help page: "Do not enter a cover artist, nor a cover image URL. Leave both fields blank. Exception: if the cover art illustrates the SF content, or is by a well known SF artist, enter the credit, and if an image is available, enter the URL". Well known being subjective as always so there is some leeway but should be pretty clear what we mean - a guy with 3 covers is not well known, Rowena Morrill is. Boris and Hildebrant stay even if they drew a table... ;) If the one I removed was one of theirs, I apologize (I was trying to show how to do it and may have misread the credit)...
You know how to remove covers, right? URL field to empty and a separate RemoveTitle to remove the coverart record (sorry if you know). :) And I need an answer to the one at the bottom so I can clear these interviews :) Annie 22:11, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
Got it. And please remove the two extra interview entries. TAWeiss 22:13, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
Done. We were cross posting :) And the one I removed is Phil Foglio who looks to be well known so I fixed it back :) I will slowly work on the existing issues through the next days - there are a lot of them :) So if you edit/add new ones, you get a priority - I don't want to invalidate your edits so if I see a Dragon update in the queue, I will clear them before I attack the series again... Annie 22:16, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
I've been looking for a good project to contribute on, so if you can leave the edits to me. TAWeiss 05:35, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
Converting to non genre and fixing the yearly records and authors? Sure. Annie 09:46, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
Follow up question. Do I remove the magazine entry if there is no genre content? TAWeiss 20:58, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
Yes - it does not need to be fiction though. A review or an interview with a known genre author counts as genre as well (non-fiction about speculative fiction basically). See The New York Times Book Review for examples - there is rarely any fiction in it but there are often reviews of our books. Annie 21:08, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
Just confirming, Do I leave the coverart fields unchanged, and just remove the url? I tried to delete the coverart record for Issue 1 and it wouldn't let meTAWeiss 21:09, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
If the coverart is not by one of our artists and is not illustrating genre contents, then it needs to go. Removing is a three step process though - you cannot just blank the fields for title/author once it was added:
  • Edit publication: Delete the URL from the field. Leave the Artist name and so on in place. This one can be done in parallel with the next one or you can wait it out if you prefer. Add a moderator note explaining why ("non-genre magazine does not get a cover; RmoveTitle following"). IF I catch such a submission and I do not see a remove Title already in the queue, I may even assist and eject it out and come explain that I did it. :)
  • Remove Title. Go to the publication. For Issue 1, this is this one. Locate the "Remove Titles From This Pub" in the left menu. Click on it. For this magazine, it opens this page. Select the cover from here, add a moderator note ("non genre magazine, clearing the cover") and submit
  • Delete Title: The cover we just ejected needs deleting. Some moderators will assist and delete when the approve the remove. Some won't. If you do not want to keep track of these, don't worry - we have a report and someone will delete them.
Let me know if something does not make sense. :) My "Oh Dear" above was because there is a lot of work to be done. Oh and in Issue 1, this serial will need a parent as well. If you had never done that before and not sure what I mean, just ask :) Annie 21:19, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
This makes sense. This will take a little while, but it's a good learning experience for me. I have not create a serial record before. Is there a help page for that? There are few issues that need to be removed as well. I'm assuming that I delete the coverart before I delete the publication. Thanks for all the support. I really appreciate your patience. TAWeiss 21:33, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
If the whole issue is getting deleted, just start with the deletion of the publication. This will orphan the titles and then they can be deleted if they are not used elsewhere :) No need to remove the cover or the link before that. As a rule, always try to delete what you need to. If the system blocks you, it will tell you why you cannot delete - so you can go and delete that first and so on. :)
Serials help is here. The two links at the bottom of it are also useful for background although I doubt that Dragon ever reprinted a full novel in a single issue (or something like that) so most of them will be irrelevant for this magazine.
Just write moderator notes so if someone that is not me catches your updates, they know what you are doing. And if you need any help/question answered, just post here or on my page (or in CS if you prefer) :) Annie 21:52, 16 March 2021 (EDT)
Will do!

Dragon Magazine, #51, July 1981

Is the Hildebrandt inteview really here or did you forget to clean up the field between magazine issues? :) Annie 21:33, 15 March 2021 (EDT)

And same question for June? Annie 21:35, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
hmmm. I had to modify and renter some reviews. I must have incorrectly appended that. I wish I could review and edit my pending entries. Cancelling and re-entering them is time consuming. TAWeiss 21:37, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
I really don't think you need to keep adding "editors of dragon magazine" I know who it is TAWeiss 21:39, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
I get this now. TAWeiss 21:54, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
You know what it and what got changed. :) Someone in 3 years won't know :) So I add a moderator note (plus I cannot submit without a note):) No worries - we can fix post approval. So should I pull out the two interviews from these two issues? Annie 21:55, 15 March 2021 (EDT)
Yes. Please remove the spurious interviews. I must have been re-using the same web page to enter, and not cleared the interview entry.
Done. Annie 22:13, 15 March 2021 (EDT)

One more wrinkle

with Dragon. See this page. Once you are done cleaning T. J. Kask from everywhere, you will also need to clean the parents that were created to accommodate him such as this one. You cannot delete first, you need to break the variant first (Make Variant with a value of 0 breaks existing variants). Let me know if you need any details about that. If you already thought of this, just ignore me :) Annie 20:40, 21 March 2021 (EDT)

It was on my list, but it's been busy so it might have slipped through. Thanks for the reminderTAWeiss 18:42, 22 March 2021 (EDT)
OK - I was making sure we do not miss it :) Annie 18:58, 22 March 2021 (EDT)
Small hitch. The container for 1980 seems to have a variant without the editor. This stays and this one goes. How do I separate out the desired variant? Once that's settled, I'll add the rest of 1980.TAWeiss 21:55, 22 March 2021 (EDT)
That’s exactly what I was explaining at the start of this thread so here it is step by step: On the child (the one with no editor and the one we want to keep) use “Make this title a variant” with the value 0 in Option 1. This will break the variant and allow you to submit the deletion of the now unwanted ex-parent that has the editor name :) Annie 01:54, 23 March 2021 (EDT)
And someone left the wrong ones - this and the rest just need an edit now to remove the editor and we are all set :) Annie 19:02, 23 March 2021 (EDT)
Got it. Thanks! TAWeiss 20:24, 23 March 2021 (EDT)
You may have noticed that yesterday, I rejected some of your edits to remove the named editors from these records with note explaining why and referring you to this help section. Today, I noticed that the edits to remove the named editors have been reissued and approved. Annie has been incorrect in one aspect of how non-genre magazines are entered. While we do require that the special "Editors of Dragon Magazine" editor be listed, we may also list the actual editor as a co-editor if they are known. There is no requirement that they be a genre editor/known author. This is stated twice in the help page for adding non-genre publications, both in the section I linked and earlier in the step by step instructions. I noticed that you did a transient verification of the issues. Do you still have access to them and could the actual editor be added back? I'll also leave a note on Annie's page directing her to this discussion.
While looking at these, I also noticed that most of the individual records for The Dragon are not titled correctly. Per this help template (see missing and variant dates), we can enter magazine titles with Date, Volume and Number, or Issue number, but date is always preferable. There is no standard that calls for both date and issue number, like many of these issues have been entered. I've cleaned up the more recent issues, but wanted to inform you before I fixed the date on the older ones. Of course, if you're editing any issues for other reasons, it's also a good time to clean up the title. Let me know if you have any questions. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:07, 24 March 2021 (EDT)
The help page: " If the actual editor is known with reasonable certainty, you may optionally enter the name(s) of the editor(s) as co-editors". Emphasis on optionally (both from me and from the help page). The whole point of not using the editors is not to fill the DB with entries for editors that do not work the field - otherwise we can easily find the editor for ANY non-genre modern magazine. So I do not think that it is incorrect to remove them and it is in line with why we use "Editors of" to start with and I don't think that we should add them when they do not have any other SF work. Shall we take this over to R&S? Annie 18:20, 24 March 2021 (EDT)
It would be good to get this settled before I start work on the rest of the Dragon issues. TAWeiss 18:37, 24 March 2021 (EDT)
Give us a few days - I am starting a discussion :) If the names need to be restored, I will redo them. :) Annie 19:08, 24 March 2021 (EDT)
Are we good to go? TAWeiss 18:16, 28 March 2021 (EDT)
We are getting somewhere. I will update back the ones that lost their editors in the last days in the next day or so. If you want to work through the rest (cleaning up non-genre contents and so on), go ahead. Annie 10:05, 29 March 2021 (EDT)
QQ. Am I not supposed to include the issue number in the title? My two latest entries has the issue number removed. TAWeiss 17:57, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
See the grid. The early ones have the number. You may want to drop on Rtrace page and discuss it with him for this magazine - as he is the one that cleaned them. The official help page says to use Magazine Title, Date but a lot of magazines do have both a number and a date (see Locus so our practice has allowed the number for a long time and if we are going for a cleanup, we need to at least announce it and have a plan... Always fun with the oldest rules, isn't it? :) Annie 18:33, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
A new challenge every day :) TAWeiss 19:25, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
Yes, that was me. Also, I didn't delete the number, just moved it to the notes. If you check a few paragraphs above, I mentioned how I had corrected the later issues and that I'd like to correct the rest of them citing the standard. We discussed this in 2018 and the result was a feature request to add dedicated volume, number and whole number fields to the database. We have no stated standard to record both whole number and date in the magazine title and I try bring magazine titles into the stated standard when I encounter them. If you feel strongly that both date and whole number should be included, you could start another discussion. I will note that my major objection to previous proposals is that no one has been able to come up with a standard as to when we should use date only vs date and whole number. As far as the remaining issues of The Dragon go, I'll happily bring them into the stated standard. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:38, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
As I am going to be fixing 1-34 anyway tonight (restoring the co-editors we dropped), I may as well fix the numbers while I am doing that if this is what we agree we are doing. Leaving 35-86 to you. :)
I am all for following the rules and as we are half-way there, we may as well finish the job... Let me try to wrap the discussion on the "Editors of" and I will start the naming one again and see if someone has fresh ideas... If not, we may as well plan a cleanup ;) Annie 19:45, 31 March 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) Quick question for you. According to the backup, Issues 1-11 had Timothy J. Kask as the editor, 12-34 had T. J. Kask (same guy, different credit). I will restore him back as co-editor, make the variants and all that (as I said I would) but as you may still have access to some of these issues, can you do a spot check for me so we do not need to reedit again)? Thanks! :) Annie 19:39, 31 March 2021 (EDT)

I was thinking that since Timothy Kask is only in the database as an editor for a non-genre magazine, that there was no need to restore him. TAWeiss 21:34, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
Also I have an additional edit to make for #86 so I can fix that one. TAWeiss 21:37, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
You are the verifier. :) As it is optional but allowed to add him - I can restore or not - up to you. Annie 21:43, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
I think "Editors of Dragon" covers it since he has no other credits. I'd leave him out at this point. TAWeiss 21:46, 31 March 2021 (EDT)
The issue grid has lost information by removing the issue numbers. This seems like a rule that makes the db less usable. Instead of having a unique number, it simply repeats the month which is shown at the top of column. TAWeiss 17:28, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
That's a very good point... Let's finish the Editors of conversation and I will start the one on the naming (and I will steal this argument from you (I will credit you of course). If you have time and desire to do it, look at the link Rtace posted from the last conversation on the topic - there is an argument for why we do not put them in the titles - we just need to find the middle path. :) Annie 18:38, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
I read through it. Vasha's comment about not getting one's hopes up is a fair one. Change comes gradually, but the loss of easy access to the issue number is frustrating. I'm still committed to adding the rest in TAWeiss 20:36, 1 April 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) this issue and this issue are not showing up in the grid. Did I enter them incorrectly? TAWeiss 20:45, 1 April 2021 (EDT)

Merge the EDITOR titles this one and this one into this one and they will show up on the grid. If there was no ready to use yearly record, you need to add a series on the two titles basically. The merge can be done via Advanced Search (let me know if you need instructions). Annie 21:57, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
Got it. Thanks again!! TAWeiss 22:10, 1 April 2021 (EDT)
Anytime. The grid is just a second UI for the series page (the link for which shows up only if the type is EDITOR but if you manipulate the URL, you can get it for any series) :) Annie 22:40, 1 April 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) Naming discussion (supporting the inclusion of an issue number in the publication title) started here. I have a suspicion that we will be adding the issue number back into the titles before long... Annie 17:30, 7 April 2021 (EDT)

thanks for following up on this. I’m going through the thread now. TAWeiss 22:39, 10 April 2021 (EDT)

Sabre Press

In case you are not keeping an eye on your question in CS: the mystery thickens. :) Annie 22:41, 24 March 2021 (EDT)

Do you think its a POD operation? TAWeiss 09:28, 27 March 2021 (EDT)
It is not from one of the standard POD printers - those have IDs and/or barcodes on the last page. It feels more like a home-printer/Kinko-type one. :) Does it involve multiple printed copies at the same time or printing and assembling when someone orders is unclear. And I am not entirely sure that all the printed stories are out of copyright either. Annie 15:19, 27 March 2021 (EDT)
How do you end up tracking publications when anyone with a printer is a publisher? TAWeiss 19:03, 27 March 2021 (EDT)
What do you mean? Annie 20:35, 27 March 2021 (EDT)
Just seems like an huge problem. Someone with a printer and pdf becomes a publisher. How do you track all of that? More of a rhetorical question.TAWeiss 09:26, 28 March 2021 (EDT)
You can’t. :) We catalog the books we see and that is the best we can do. Welcome to the 21st century I guess. We’ve always had the same issue with ebooks and web-only publications. And once a text is out of copyright, tracking down all possible editions is almost impossible. Annie 15:20, 28 March 2021 (EDT)

Dragon Magazine, March 1984

Can you double check the page numbers on Dragon Magazine, March 1984? I believe they should be 20 & 26 based on an on-line version. Also, it doesn't seem like the cover image illustrates either story? -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:59, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

Fixed the page numbers. I kept the cover since Den Beauvais' record already appeared in the db.TAWeiss 10:04, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
We only enter cover art images & artist credits for non-genre magazines if the artwork illustrates the fiction. A lot of covers like these have snuck in over time, but they should only be present if they are for the fiction contents. Personally, I think the rule makes sense for Argosy or other general fiction magazines, but when it is a fantasy magazine like Dragon, I'd allow the covers since they are genre. Maybe it is time for another rules discussion... -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:30, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
I was afraid of that. I have read the rule "Exception: if the cover art illustrates the SF content, or is by a well known SF artist, enter the credit, and if an image is available..." to include any artist already in the db with some cover art credits. 12:05, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

Can you double check the formats for the magazines you have entered (see here and here)? There are a number of unknowns. I fixed one to match your other submissions, but there are more. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:30, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

I'll check these as well. TAWeiss 12:07, 4 April 2021 (EDT)
The ones I am approving now also do not have format so when you have a chance, check them as well. Thanks! Annie 05:23, 5 April 2021 (EDT)

Non-Genre Magazine Editors

The rules on non-genre magazine editor crediting were changed earlier this month. See the last row at Rules and standards changelog. We now allow crediting of the non-genre magazine editor. "Editors of..." should be used as a replacement (when the editor is not known or the submitter doesn't feel it is of genre interest) and not an addition. For your recent Dragon Magazine submissions, I believe the named editor is the only editor, correct? If so, the "Editors of Dragon Magazine" should be removed. If you can please confirm, I will go through and update. I will accept the submissions so you wouldn't have to redo them. Your future edits would then only have the named editor. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:51, 14 April 2021 (EDT)

Every issue has a long list of assistant editors, fiction editors, art directors, editorial assitants, etc. I've been assuming that it makes sense to list the primary editor by name, but cover the rest of the group as "Editors of ...". So I had been using Editors of on purpose as a reference to the staff. If that's an incorrect usage, please let me know. TAWeiss 21:37, 14 April 2021 (EDT)
We only credit the primary editor of magazines. Many magazines have assistant editors or editors for various departments. While not typically done, it would be okay to put those in the pub notes for genre magazines, but we don't put them in the editor field. The same would hold true for non-genre magazines under the new rules. I will updated the records. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:26, 15 April 2021 (EDT)

Manifold: Origin

Removing series name from publication title for Manifold: Origin Scifibones 13:11, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

Author's Note (The Institue)

Hi, I figured this was a typo so I changed it to Author's Note (The Institute); please let me know if I'm wrong and I'll change it back. Thanks. gzuckier 03:32, 18 April 2021 (EDT)

It was a typo. Thanks! TAWeiss 10:24, 18 April 2021 (EDT)


I am submitting an edit to remove the cover art credit for Moonseed because "Jacket design by Carl D. Galian from HC" John Scifibones 11:03, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

makes sense. TAWeiss 12:14, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

Dragon ISBNs

I'm holding a few of your submissions to The Dragon. I've noticed that you are blinking out the ISBN for some issues. I had previously approved a couple of these and added the ISBN back as it can be seen on the Internet Archive scan of those issues on the back cover. Is there some reason that you are removing this data? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:31, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

Cancel them. I looked through the publishing information through several issues with the mindset that magazines only have ISSNs, and totally missed the barcode on the back cover. I'll fix my submissions. Sorry for the screw up. TAWeiss 17:51, 5 May 2021 (EDT)
No need to cancel them. I will add the ISBN back in after approving so we don't lose your work. I just wanted to check if you had some reason. ISBNs on magazines are unusual, but they can exist. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:00, 5 May 2021 (EDT)
It seems like every rule has its exceptions. I'll be more vigilant. Thanks TAWeiss 21:41, 5 May 2021 (EDT)

Prentice Alvin

I added pub notes to Prentice Alvin. John Scifibones 14:08, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

The Crystal City

Changed one pub note for The Crystal City. John Scifibones 14:31, 9 May 2021 (EDT)

Pastwatch: The Redemption of Christopher Columbus

Removing series from title of The Redemption of Christopher Columbus adding a pub note and ext ID John Scifibones 14:34, 10 May 2021 (EDT)

Tower of Swallows

I noticed there's no translator for Tower of Swallows. Since you've PV'd the pub, could you check and add it to the title record? (probably David French). Thanks! MagicUnk 09:40, 5 June 2021 (EDT)

It’s David French TAWeiss 15:18, 6 June 2021 (EDT)
Thanks! MagicUnk 03:33, 7 June 2021 (EDT)

Heavy Metal, May 1977

Regarding this submission: Can you double check the editors' names, please? Should it be Sean Kelly and Valerie Merchant? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:35, 21 July 2021 (EDT)

It should be "Sean Kelly" and "Valerie Marchant". You can confirm here. I checked the October 78 issue at GCD, and the authors are also "Sean Kelly" and "Valerie Marchant". So my entry needs to be corrected for Kelley to Kelly, and the author name of Merchant should be changed to Marchant. FictionMags has Merchant, but I've also looked at the magazines, and confirmed "Marchant" as the correct spelling. 11:24, 1 August 2021 (EDT)
Submission accepted and edits made. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:09, 1 August 2021 (EDT)

Sleeping Dogs

Hi. I accepted your submission that created Sleeping Dogs, and I saw your note that it should be merged with this. But the one you entered is credited only to Ellison, while the other one is credited to both Ellison and Steacy. Is the one in Epic also credited to Steacy? If not, but the graphics are the same, we would make a variant instead of merging. Thanks. --MartyD 13:13, 10 August 2021 (EDT)

I made a mistake and should have credited Steacy as well. TAWeiss 18:59, 13 August 2021 (EDT)
Ok, thank you. I have merged them and kept the dual credit. Your verified record for Epic is here. --MartyD 10:19, 14 August 2021 (EDT)

Thuvia, Maid of Mars

I have cloned this pub of Thuvia, Maid of Mars as there are two variations differentiated by the address and the ad at the end. Your primary verification may be incorrect. The edit and clone were just submitted. Given the backlog, I expect a few days before they are processed. ../Doug H 16:32, 24 August 2021 (EDT)

Splitting some Burroughs publications you have verified

Some existing Burroughs publications you have PV'd have two variants that need to be split. You have verified Thuvia Maid of Mars

Please check this poll to help determine which variant is the existing entry, and which is created. Your participation is appreciated. ../Doug H 23:35, 26 August 2021 (EDT)



I put a note to Your pv pub, not yet verified. --Zapp 10:08, 2 September 2021 (EDT)

I don’t see any changes. Did you change my entries for OCLC, or did you just mark them verified? I had been waiting for them to get approved, so I could verify them. TAWeiss 09:39, 5 September 2021 (EDT)
Now MagicUnk has my contribution on hold. Chapbooks must show the shortfiction content. I also put a sentence to notes I found in OCLC. You can see my contibutions here. I hope You can agree or I'll delete. --Zapp 13:56, 6 September 2021 (EDT)
Looks good to me. TAWeiss 14:21, 6 September 2021 (EDT)
Do You have an image of the cover? --Zapp 18:06, 6 September 2021 (EDT)
It's one of my two dozen pending edits TAWeiss 21:17, 6 September 2021 (EDT)

Heavy Metal, July 1979

You submitted two different submissions for Heavy Metal, July 1979. One is here and the other here. The only difference is one of the cover art credits. As the art is the same, I assume one of these records is a mistake and should be deleted? -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:26, 11 September 2021 (EDT)

I enter Richard Corben's name incorrectly, and meant to cancel the entry. Thanks for pointing this out. I've deleted the entry. TAWeiss 09:27, 12 September 2021 (EDT)

The First Men in the Moon artist credit

Please see here. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:59, 20 September 2021 (EDT)

Black|Gold|Red Unicorn / Tanith Lee -- publisher

Please see here[8]. Thanks. --GlennMcG 15:37, 23 September 2021 (EDT)

Looks like it should be "Tor Fantasy" to me. TAWeiss 18:23, 25 September 2021 (EDT)

Ace Science Fiction Reader

Added note regarding publication date to Ace Science Fiction Reader.21:35, 17 October 2021 (EDT)

Blood & Roses: The Vampire in 19th Century Literature (Revised)

I've restored the original title. The "revised" indicates a change from the original and it's been made a variant. ThanksKraang 22:31, 17 October 2021 (EDT)

Is there a rule for that? I’ve never seen that done before. TAWeiss 22:06, 18 October 2021 (EDT)

Blue World

Many PV's for McCammon's Blue World editions, but you seem to be the only active one, so letting you know after adding page #'s to Grafton TP and fixing dates for the original stories, I noticed the title story is not a novella but a full-length novel, so I changed it to NOVEL. --Username 19:19, 19 October 2021 (EDT)

Taweiss, if you can comment over here, that would be great. We need to make sure of which type the title is: NOVEL or SHORTFICTION (novella). Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:36, 21 October 2021 (EDT)

Deleting non-genre publications with reviews

When you delete the only book whose reference title has a review on it for being non-genre, it is at least a three step operation:

  • Delete the pub itself
  • Add an essay in the place of the review in the publication where the review is. If the review had notes inside of the title record, move the notes to the newly created title.
  • Remove the review from the publication that has it. Once ejected, the review need to be deleted.
  • If the title has multiple reviews, you need to do the same in all of them.

Otherwise you end up with titles such as this one which then someone else need to finish cleaning up.

PS: And in this case, that collection probably contains this story (the 2017 edition does) which was included in a Best Fantasy volume so it is hard to argue that it is non-genre which means that the book actually should not have been deleted at all but had its flag set to non-genre and that story imported into it... Deleting collections without checking what they contain and based solely on non-genre review sites and newspapers is a bit risky. :) Let me see if I can confirm if the earlier edition did contain it. Amazon's record for the 2000 edition says "and "Your Story" was played on National Public Radio's Selected Shorts." and OCLC confirms it for the 1999 edition so... definitely it should not have been deleted. :) Annie 19:41, 19 October 2021 (EDT)

And just an update as we had been having a conversation and updates on the situation here as what you will see is now not what it was when I posted the note. :) Annie 23:13, 19 October 2021 (EDT)
Sorry for the mess. TAWeiss 08:59, 23 October 2021 (EDT)
It happens. :) It can be a bit hard to figure out what belongs here with collections that have a single story that is ours. Annie 09:14, 23 October 2021 (EDT)

Classic Celtic Fairy Tales


I have a few questions and concerns about this import

  • What is the source of the stories? If it is the later edition, that needs to be added as a note to the publication notes here.
  • As you are importing from a later edition, the stories are dated later than this book. If I approve as is, there will be two ways to fix:
  • Edit each story individually to set its correct date
  • Remove all titles and art records from here, re-date using the other book, import again. :)
I will fix the dates, add the notes on the source and approve the import after we figure out if any other changes are needed in the original book (see below). But keep that in mind for the future.

While trying to find where the stories are coming from, I looked at the older edition where you added the stories earlier (thanks for which!) but I have a few questions there as well:

  • You mention an Etsy scan. I cannot find one (or I am not looking properly). Kraang apparently found it because he approved the stories addition. I would have asked him about it but as I had other questions, I figured I will start with you (if you cannot remember/cannot find it, no worries, he might) :) Adding the source to the moderator notes when it is unstable links like these (so they cannot go in the Web Pages or the regular notes helps - then we do not need to reverse engineer during the approval phase and someone can use that to find it again if needed.
  • There are page numbers only on a few stories. Is that because the image was cropped/unreadable or because the rest of the stories came from a copyright list or anything else? Either of those need to be added to the notes - copyright pages can have different spelling for some stories so it is a good idea to know which ones they are.
  • If it was a cropped/unreadable page, using |pages would keep the order :)
  • Is the cover artist specifically credited for the cover in the book somewhere? The "Illustrated by" on the cover may mean both cover and interior art or just interior art and unless we are sure, we qualify in the notes if we assign to the coverart as well (if we believe them to be) or we leave it out if we are not sure (and explain that in the notes).

Thanks for working on these! Annie 01:37, 25 October 2021 (EDT)

I hadn't thought to use '|' to fix the page ordering. I will do that in the future. I did assume that illustrator included the cover art, but I can't find any other credit to prove that. I had hoped to find a copy online to see if the cover also appeared in the interior, but no luck.
Thanks! TAWeiss 21:16, 27 October 2021 (EDT)
On my way out of the door for the day so a few quick answers and if you need more details, I will respond tomorrow:
  • Based on the style of the images we can see, I am comfortable calling him also the cover artist with a note explaining that. I will add the notes and the order and all that and redate and then get the import approved and fixed tomorrow.
  • Let me do some digging on that double book. If both ISBNs appear on the same book, we keep only one copy - but we need to sort out which one is the wrong one and why.
  • With translations, the rule is always "add the book then variant" - empty titles will be deleted overnight if not used. In this case - add the stories as you would do to an English anthology (the language will be determined by the language of the reference title). Once they are added, you edit them one by one to add the translator and variant them to their originals. See this NewPub to see how I added the Italian stories (PubEdit also can do it - I just do not have any handy to show you and I was adding from scratch). And then for each story, you can see the two updates here for example - edit to add the translator and clear any other issues (length (in this case I remembered to do that on the NewPub), checkboxes and so on) that will ping on the Variant and then the variant to connect to the original.
A small note for Noosfere as a source - they have different capitalization rules than we do (and different rules for entering uncredited stories). So you cannot just copy paste - you need to normalize on the way in (so Jean-Pierre HUBERT becomes Jean-Pierre Hubert and "Le Sexe des anges" becomes "Le sexe des anges" (French is sentence case - you write the titles as you would write a sentence). Then same for translators when you get to that. And all those titles with author "COLLECTIF" are a pain because in most cases they will need to become unknown or uncredited unless we know who is hiding behind COLLECTIF for this specific title - which probably explains why the French editors never cleaned up this one. See for example how the single collectif item at the bottom here turned into a gazillion titles when someone saw the magazine here. Another option is to just add the ones that are clear, add the incomplete template to the record and one day someone may complete it. If you want to try and put in the moderator note to leave it for me and I will work with you on that tomorrow (and the days after that). Maybe starting with an easier example will be easier but then it needs to be done so why not try. :)Annie 21:42, 27 October 2021 (EDT)
Sounds good. I'm done for the night. Start on Utopia tomorrow. Thanks againTAWeiss 21:47, 27 October 2021 (EDT)

(unindent). The mystery of that double book is solved by the venerable British Library. One is the ISBN of the paperback, the other one belongs to the cased edition which someone put the wrong price on. Which explains why both ISBNs may be printed I guess. I'll add some notes tomorrow and differentiate them and find a few more sources and see what else will pop up. And the person who tried to solve it actually messed up our perfectly correct record for the 16.99 ediiton and updated it with the data for the 7.99 one. I will sort that out in the morning. Annie 21:58, 27 October 2021 (EDT)

Mystery solved. See my notes in both. I think the cased edition is also a paperback but will try to find out tomorrow. :) Annie 22:18, 27 October 2021 (EDT)

(unindent) Approved the import, added notes, prices, external IDs and other things plus the two known reprints :) See how the whole set looks now. Thanks again for filling in these! If you see something that can be improved, please do not hesitate to do so. Annie 19:33, 28 October 2021 (EDT)

I will check it out. I also took a run at Utopia 1 Some of the authors names might need adjustment TAWeiss 22:08, 28 October 2021 (EDT)
Approved and made 2 small changes: We have an external ID for Noosfere so I moved that there and changed Lipi's name (it is Lippi). I will let you work on the rest and any other fixes that are required. Yell if you need assistance and/or have questions. As Noosfere has the order, I'd recommend using piped numbers (|1, |2 and so on) to keep the order. :) Annie 22:41, 28 October 2021 (EDT)

The Great White Space

Hi, I just saw the cover of this enlarged at 70sscifiart, and noticed Bob Larkin's signature (BOB on top of LARKIN) in purple on the creature's shoulder. Horzel 15:40, 25 October 2021 (EDT)

Very nice. Now that you've pointed it out, I can see it clearly on the cover. TAWeiss 21:05, 27 October 2021 (EDT)

The Essential Clive Barker

Just a polite reminder that we have import - when you type a title, you create a new record that then needs merging. I merged the 4 stories you added here. Thanks! Annie 23:40, 11 November 2021 (EST)

Got it! TAWeiss 15:09, 12 November 2021 (EST)
when do we keep a subtitle like”Selected Fictions”. ? All copies have the subtitle, and I thought it best to standardize them. Either way is fine but “Selected Fictions” seemed sufficiently generic to warrant removal.
Up to the editor usually but anyone can add it later if they wish to. "Selected Fictions" is a real subtitle IMO so if it is on the title page, I will keep it. We always drop "A Novel", "Short Stories", "An Anthology" and similar generic ones; "Selected Stories" or "A Dark Anthology" and similar are borderline although I consider them subtitles as well usually. Anything less generic stays if it is there :) Annie 23:52, 13 November 2021 (EST)
Also is there rule about adding (revised) to a title? I ran into an anthology with somewhat different contents and wanted to know if we mark that as revised in the title. Thanks TAWeiss 22:57, 13 November 2021 (EST)
The revised is complicated. We have it in different ways in the DB. Some editors would split it that way even for a single story difference (see this for example - the Second Edition has 2 extra stories). Some would merge and use the notes to explain 1 or 2 stories difference (aka "The 2020 Arrow edition adds the story "YYYY" in addition to the original 10". The challenge is that this can get unyieldy when different publishers add/drop stories at their leisure. But it is workable if one makes sure the notes are updated. We probably need a new discussion to make a decision on how we handle these - but for now... whatever makes sense.
I personally would rather not use the variants this way and adding 2 stories to the original 5 is too big of a change for a variant in the example above IMO but... opinions differ. If you go the "new name" route, it will need to become a variant OR stay separate - it cannot stay under the original title (and yes - we have some of these in the DB... when found, they are being sorted out). When you wonder, post over in one of the Community boards and solicit opinions. I am actually about to do that for the Bloodchild example while clearing Butler's page. :) Annie 23:52, 13 November 2021 (EST)
So if "Seleced Fictions" is a keeper, how do I go about unvarianting the US edition? It also has the subtitle, and I'd like them to be consistent. TAWeiss 20:42, 14 November 2021 (EST)
Just merge the two titles, making sure the parent is set to the empty choice. Let me know if you want me to do it? Annie 20:51, 14 November 2021 (EST)
I think I did it correctly. Thanks TAWeiss 21:00, 14 November 2021 (EST)
Yep. Approved. I fixed the publication that lacked it and all the connected titles (cover, cover parent and the foreword) while I was there. Thanks! Annie 21:05, 14 November 2021 (EST)

The Voyage of the Princess Ark

I'm soliciting your opinion on some edits to the serialized novel "The Voyage of the Princess Ark" in Dragon Magazine. You are the PV of many issues which contain installments. You might ask, why am I even looking at these. I saw the installments on SERIALs without a Parent Title in the cleanup report and thought I would take care of them. Entering the installments in a pubication is only the first step handling serials. They then need to be linked to a parent title. Here is the relevant help section Help:How to connect serials to titles. If you already know this, sorry for repeating. I submitted edits to link all the installments which were subsequently approved. Here is the result.

You may have noticed that the titles for parts 1 and 36 have been changed. In fact, I submitted a change for each of the titles. They are currently on moderator hold pending our decision here. The titles, as currently named, do not comply with standards. Currently, they show up on Serials without Standard Parenthetical Disambiguators' Here is relevant text from Help:Screen:NewPub

  • SERIALs. If the title of a SERIAL installment is unique, e.g. "Butterflies in the Kremlin, Part Eight: As the Bear Turns" or "Ciężki bój (cz. 1)", then use the full form of the title. If, on the other hand, the title is shared by at least one other SERIAL installment of the work, append a space and a parenthetical statement such as "(Part 1 of 3)" to the title. For novel length works (40,000+ words) printed as a single installment in a magazine or fanzine, append a space and "(Complete Novel)" to the title.

I think the first statement applies. Here are links to a couple of the held submissions. They all follow the same pattern. Note there is a link to the archived PDF to for each installment to show where I got the full title and make it easier to actually read the story if someone is interested.

What do you think is the best way to comply with the above help section? My main purpose is to make a few dents in the cleanup report. The variant submissions have taken care of one report, our decision here will take care of the other.

If this is new to you, you might want to fix a couple. That will help this become second nature. Look at the serial "The Plane Truth" by David Cook. This one also comes from Dragon Magazine. Apparently, this is a less frequently encountered topic, there are entries on these reports from moderator submissions. I look forward to your feedback. John Scifibones 09:09, 12 November 2021 (EST)

I had been intending to go back and clean that up. Annie had given me instructions a while back. I wasn't sure how to deal with the game instructions that reprinted most of the series effectively in novel form either. What you've done looks good to me.TAWeiss 15:08, 12 November 2021 (EST)
Thanks for your quick response. Couple quick points
  • I forgot to mention that it is really incumbent on us editors to periodically check the 'SERIALs without a Parent Title' report if we enter periodicals with serials. There is no way for a moderator to keep track of whether or not we are linking the installments subsequent to to their approval.
  • While I'm not a D&D player, one of my associates is. Apparently this is part of a larger series. If you know what that is, you might consider adding it.
If there is ever anything I can do for you, ask. John Scifibones 15:52, 12 November 2021 (EST)
So everyone here ok with the renames? Annie 22:55, 12 November 2021 (EST)
I'm good with the renames. Most of the series was reprinted as part of a game box set. Since it comes essentially as part of the game instructions, I wasn't sure if it was in scope even though it has an ISBN. Shows up on goodreads as well. It summarizes parts 1-15, prints 16-35 in their entirety. There is no printing of the entire series in a single publication.
Well... that depends on how much you want to push our definitions. From the looks of it, there are 3 books in this box set. These 3 (or the ones that have parts of the story) will be eligible to be added technically (they are published paper books) IF they contain fiction (with a note explaining where the book is foundable, that it is part of the big set and so on, using ph as format (as they are stapled) and with just the fiction being added). The ISBN of the SET is irrelevant really as the set is not eligible; the books inside of it can be. Mileage will vary. We tend to opt on the side of inclusion when we can. So if you want to add them, be my guest.
Even if the whole novel was never published separately (is the whole thing actually long enough to be a novel or do we need to make that short fiction?), we add the parent title to keep the serials - we just use separate rule for dating this (year and month of the last installment). :) Annie 00:02, 14 November 2021 (EST)
If you are running with the series, I 'll be glad to ask my associate for any relevant information. He really ius a D & D expert. Let me know. To Annie, thanks for processing the updates. John Scifibones 07:39, 14 November 2021 (EST)
I finished my work on Dragon a while back. The only item that I was still considering whether or not to enter the Champions of Mystara printing of Voyage. If you feel there is more to do there, go for it! TAWeiss 08:24, 14 November 2021 (EST)


When using tercerafundacion.net as a source, please do not forget to add the ID in the external IDs (the external ID you want is LTF and we want the /libro/ID (the exact edition ID and not the higher level one). I fixed it here and will fix it in any other that is already submitted and I approve - but heads up for any new ones you are adding :) Annie 02:10, 22 November 2021 (EST)

One more thing with these: We need the translator on the title level (it can be also on the publication level but it is critical to be in the title level). I had been copying it post approval but when adding a new book, make sure that the translator is added to the title as well (the first Notes field on the page when you do New Publication). Thanks! Annie 02:13, 22 November 2021 (EST)
Got it! TAWeiss 09:54, 22 November 2021 (EST)
And just to make your life funnier - we also need these in EACH story once they are approved. Plus variants to the originals. I suspect you know that but just in case :) Annie 09:57, 22 November 2021 (EST)
On it. BTW. Should this be a chapbook? I need to fix some of the types from anthology to collection in the Infernalia series as well. TAWeiss 10:20, 22 November 2021 (EST)
Yep - 1 story so chapbook. I just fixed this one as it also had the wrong language and was missing LTF ID in addition to the wrong type - will leave you to fixing the whole series. :) Annie 10:28, 22 November 2021 (EST)

Cuentos de vampiras

When authors are credited as "Alice y Claude Askew" in Spanish, that indicates coauthors and we split these into two separate names. I fixed it here. Annie 02:28, 22 November 2021 (EST)

I'll review that whole series to make sure I've entered all the data correctly. Thanks TAWeiss 09:55, 22 November 2021 (EST)

The Howling Silence: Tales of the Dead and Their Return

Do you have a source showing that the contents is the same here? Also - before we import, we need to redate because otherwise we will need to do it story by story. I can do that but let's figure out first the contents. Annie 03:23, 22 November 2021 (EST)

I found the Horizon edition in Google books, and searched for each title. I was able to confirm that the stories from the Cavendish edition are also in the Horizon. I just submitted a fix to a type in one of the namesTAWeiss 09:51, 22 November 2021 (EST)
This should have been in the moderator note. :) Approved the import after first doing this update to set the dates for the import so that we do not need to fix these dates one by one. Question: Do we have a typo in "Gret-Grandfather with Teeth"? Should it be "Great-Grandfather with Teeth" instead? Annie 10:03, 22 November 2021 (EST)
Yes. "Great-Grandfather with Teeth". TAWeiss 10:11, 22 November 2021 (EST)
Fixed! Thanks! Annie 10:13, 22 November 2021 (EST)

The Phantom Coach and Other Ghost Stories of an Antiquary

Please be careful when adding/importing stories for authors who use pseudonyms: the authors on the stories should match the ones on the collections generally unless the title pages of the stories carry a different name and then this need to be explained in the notes. I fixed the story here to be the one from the correct pseudonym and made a variant to the earlier story. Let me know if you have any questions.

PS: And this author should be "Augustus Jessopp, D.D." and not "Augustus Jessopp, D. D." - we do not use a space for suffixes; just for initials :) I fixed that one. Annie 03:33, 22 November 2021 (EST)

Thanks for the guidance!TAWeiss 09:52, 22 November 2021 (EST)

Red Screen by Stephen King

I added cover and some credits to Red Screen by Stephen King Susan O'Fearna 21:20, 5 December 2021 (EST)

Looks good. Tom 12:46, 9 December 2021 (EST)

Dragon Tales

Would you mind double checking the story title on page 93 of Dragon Tales? In the fifth printing, it is "Dragon Fang" and not "Dragon-Fang". Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:03, 23 December 2021 (EST)

It's Dragon Fang. No hyphen. TAWeiss 09:11, 28 December 2021 (EST)
Thanks for checking. I merged it with the correct record. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:52, 29 December 2021 (EST)

Father, Dear Father, Come Home With Me Now

I accepted this submission which changes your transient verified Dragon Magazine, March 1990. Based on the ⒶNNARCHIVE scanned version, the change was correct. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:20, 1 January 2022 (EST)

Good catch! TAWeiss 13:30, 1 January 2022 (EST)


I wanted to verify Nemesis and found a problem with a couple page numbers. The pages at the end are unnumbered, but by my count the contents should read:

[411] • The Gods Themselves (excerpt)
[419] • The End of Eternity (excerpt)

Shall I submit this correction? Fjh 17:07, 1 January 2022 (EST)

Let me check TAWeiss 17:27, 1 January 2022 (EST)
I'm not certain if End of Eternity should start with the blurb on [419] or the actual text on [421]. It's not really clear who wrote the text on [419] now that I think about it. What about the following?
[411] • The Gods Themselves (excerpt)
[421] • The End of Eternity (excerpt)

Tom 17:36, 1 January 2022 (EST)

That looks good to me except I've counted several times and I have blurb on [417], text on [419], not 419/421 as you say. Want to check again? Or I'll go with your number. If you do check again this is everything I see. Thanks.
386 last page of Nemesis
[387] About author
[388] Nightfall blurb
[389] Nightfall excerpt
[409] The Gods Themselves blurb
[411] The Gods Themselves excerpt
[417] The End of Eternity blurb
[419] The End of Eternity excerpt
[421] last page of excerpt
[422] ad

Fjh 18:37, 1 January 2022 (EST)

You're right. Sorry for the confusion. TAWeiss 22:44, 1 January 2022 (EST)
np, thanks for checking. correction Fjh 10:22, 2 January 2022 (EST)

Forward the Foundation

Me again with more annoying unnumbered pages. :) I propose the following additions to Forward the Foundation:

  • LCCN as it appears on copyright page
  • page numbers 3, [485], [491] respectively for the three items in the contents

Sound good? Fjh 13:01, 2 January 2022 (EST)

Checking... TAWeiss 13:03, 2 January 2022 (EST)
Looks good to me. TAWeiss 13:07, 2 January 2022 (EST)
Thank you. Done. Fjh 14:46, 7 January 2022 (EST)

The Forge of God / multiple covers

I invite your comment on this discussion. Thank you. Fjh 12:28, 7 January 2022 (EST)

Anvil of Stars cover

My copy of 650790 looks like this, not like the image linked from the record. If yours is the same I will change the image link. Thanks. Fjh 13:26, 7 January 2022 (EST)

Your scan matches my book as well. Go ahead and submit. Tom 13:33, 7 January 2022 (EST)
Thank you. submission Fjh 14:46, 7 January 2022 (EST)

Seven Science Fiction Novels of H. G. Wells

I have added a Catalog ID to this pub based on (surprise!) a catalog. I Noted the source as I didn't know if the book actually showed it. ../Doug H 11:18, 14 January 2022 (EST)

Prologue (Foundation's Edge)

I am creating and PVing a later printing of Foundation's Edge. Whilst adding the Prologue, I noticed that a Title record for it already appears to exist: Prologue (Foundation's Edge) and the only pub record it relates to is the first printing, which you have PVd. The Prologue is recorded as SHORTFICTION but I think it should be ESSAY. The giveaway is this first sentence of a paragraph toward the bottom the first page: "In the Foundation Trilogy, the story of the first four centuries of the Interregnum is told". Can you please check the Prologue in your copy to see if it is the same and let me have your thoughts on changing the Type.
Based on the Last User Activity Date, there are 3 PVs who are still active: Willem H, Taweiss and Nihonjoe, so I have posted this note to all your Talk pages. I am a new editor, so am not sure of the correct etiquette for handling this situation, but it seems desirable to have the whole conversation in one place. So may I suggest you reply on my Talk page. Thanks. Teallach 17:44, 21 January 2022 (EST)

Iron Cage

Looking at my copy of Iron Cage, I think there are serious problems with this record.
1. The date should be 1974-00-00 per the andre-norton.com website.
2. The wrong WorldCat number is cited. It should be 317465464. The wrong WorldCat record caused the wrong date.
3. The artist signature on the back cover reads "CMikolaycak 1973 9" not "CMikolaycak 1975 9".
What do you think?
Thanks. Phil 07:46, 7 February 2022 (EST)

You can see a high resolution scan of the cover art, and it looks pretty clearly to be 1975. OCLC is not the most reliable for dating, but given the date on the cover, I'd stick with the original OCLC entry. I'd recommend leaving the entry as is. Tom 11:42, 12 February 2022 (EST)
Great find! The 5 was obscured enough when looking at the cover with a magnifying glass that it could have been either a 3 or a 5. Based on that, I think that the 1974 date from the andre-norton.com website is wrong as well. I'll leave things as they are and PV. Thanks for the help! Phil 14:35, 12 February 2022 (EST)

Agent of Byzantium / Turtledove

My copy of [9] has "A Worldwide Library Book/November 1988". Does yours? --GlennMcG 16:05, 7 February 2022 (EST)

Mine does as well. Tom 11:26, 12 February 2022 (EST)

Stealers' Sky

For Stealers' Sky, do you mind if I add the maps title, "Ace edition/December 1989", and the number line before I PV? Phil 12:23, 18 February 2022 (EST)

All three changes look good to me Tom 19:46, 18 February 2022 (EST)

Sword of Chaos

Would you please look at your copy of Sword of Chaos and see if the title page actually reads "Sword of Chaos and Other Stories"? My first edition/first printing has that. Thanks! Phil 08:51, 1 March 2022 (EST)

Mine does as well. Tom 18:01, 4 March 2022 (EST)

Excerpts naming

You added a few excerpts in An Arthurian Reader. Do their titles actually contain "(excerpt from The Holy Grail)" on the title page of the texts exactly like that? If not, the policy is NOT to add this in the title but just in the notes. Thanks! Annie 18:00, 2 March 2022 (EST)

I'll fix them. Do I still include (excerpt) with the title. or just put all of the info in the notes? I've made this mistake a number of times. I need to find all of the "(excerpt from .." in titles.
Tom 17:59, 4 March 2022 (EST)
If the title matches the title of the work it is excerpted from, we add (excerpt). If it does not, we only note it in the notes. So “Sunny Day” which is an excerpt of “A Year” will not have it as part of the title but if the excerpt is named “A Year”, it will become “A Year (excerpt)”. And of course - if the title page where the text is has something else, that always wins. Annie 20:12, 4 March 2022 (EST)

Link to: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction

As you have PVd a Jim Butcher Dresden Files collection, you might be interested in this topic: Series Number of Dresden Files short fiction. If you have any comments, suggestions or objections then please post them to this topic on the Community Portal so that we keep the whole conversation in one place. Thank you. Teallach 09:50, 4 March 2022 (EST)

Brokedown Palace

For Brokedown Palace, do you mind if I add "Ace Fantasy edition/January 1986" and "No printer's key" notes to this pub before I PV? Thanks! Phil 18:08, 5 March 2022 (EST)

Looks good. Tom 07:42, 6 March 2022 (EST)

Octavia Butler's Dawn

Hi - wondering if you still have your copy of Dawn which you've verified here: 577862. Trying to see if mine is the same one. These Xenogenesis Aspect/Warner 1997 reprints are a bit confusing. Mine is the cover in that pub and is 8" tall, kind of halfway between mass market and trade, and the writing inside is cut to the size of a "true" mass market, i.e. has larger margins of blank space at the top and bottom of the pages, unfortunately making it a bit harder to easily categorize. Thank you! Kapotun 20:07, 6 March 2022 (EST)

My copy is 9241 which is standard paperback size. Sounds like we have different copies. Tom 11:03, 7 March 2022 (EST)
Sorry, I linked the wrong one, I meant to link to that one - 9241 - but do you mean yours is a standard trade paperback size, or mass market? Kapotun
A quick note on sizing - we don’t care how much space the text takes - it is the physical size that matters for the pb/tp determination. The book described at the start of that post will be a tp - 8 inches books are always going to be tp in the DB when they are paperbacks. Annie 02:26, 8 March 2022 (EST)
Thanks Annie, good info. I guess if Tom's falls into the < 7.25" then mine isn't the same. Mostly now I am curious if this Aspect/Warner print run started at first with ~7" (Tom's?), then made them an inch larger (mine) then made them 9" inches high into a standard trade, like my edition of Adulthood Rites. Kapotun 20:03, 8 March 2022 (EST)
Mine is a standard 7" paperback. Tom 02:02, 19 March 2022 (EDT)

Arthurian Romances

A few things:

  • Fixed the publisher. We use "J. M. Dent" and not "J.M. Dent"
  • You had a missing ) in the Introduction title :)
  • "Contents are 2813883, 2858404, 1672934 and 1672933.": You cannot import these titles. 3 of the IDs you provided are in Old French, the other is an undetermined English translation. Unless this is a billingual book? But then it needs to be in the notes. As you know the translator, you need to either import the stories with the translator specified on their notes or if they do not exist under that translator, add them anew and then variant them up. And you cannot import an existing title and add a translator unless you verify that all the publications under it use the same translator :)
  • Talking about a translator, we need that on the TITLE level :) So I added it there.

The result is here. Let me know if you have any questions/issues. Annie 11:38, 7 March 2022 (EST)

Got it. Out of town the next few days, but I'll add the variant translations once I'm back. Thanks for the corrections. Tom 07:30, 8 March 2022 (EST)
No worries - I need to pull down my own Arthurian collection and work through it a bit at some point. Annie 11:37, 8 March 2022 (EST)
I rejected the 3 AddVariant. If I approve them and the import that gets them into the book is not approved before they are caught by the cleanup reports, they will be deleted. So edit the book itself, add them there and when they are created, add the details and make the variants. That also ensures that even if you get distracted and not finish the sequence, someone else might later on (as opposed to ending up with the empty titles deleted and no contents in the book). Thanks! :) Annie 16:26, 16 March 2022 (EDT)
Downsides of the piecemeal process. I can't finish tasks. Tom 09:04, 18 March 2022 (EDT)
Think it's right now. Tom 21:58, 26 April 2022 (EDT)

The Lay of Sir Launfal

Prose translations of poems are entered as poems - with a note that they are actually prose translations :) I approved the variant and fixed the type here - the same principle we follow with lengths and collection/novel types - the original type and length always determines the type of all variants and translations. :) Annie 11:36, 8 March 2022 (EST)

PS: In the same book I also added (excerpt) to this one - the complete text is a LOT longer than that and is named the same. Annie 11:39, 8 March 2022 (EST)
I had wondered about that. Thanks for fixing it. Tom 14:34, 12 March 2022 (EST)

Down to a Sunless Sea

For Down to a Sunless Sea, would you mind if I add the title "Author's Note (Down to a Sunless Sea)" on page 173? Thanks! Phil 07:50, 13 March 2022 (EDT) Fine by me Tom 08:55, 13 March 2022 (EDT)

Lilith: A Snake in the Grass

For Lilith: A Snake in the Grass, I would like to change the page count to vi+248 and import the uncredited interior art title The Warden Diamond on page [vi]. Would that be OK? Thanks! Phil 12:33, 18 March 2022 (EDT)

Billy Summers


I plan to expand the notes here before verification to add the complete number line, some other credits (interior design and so on) and some external IDs. Does your book have the complete number line? Thanks! Annie 17:55, 20 March 2022 (EDT)

Yes. " 13 5 7 9 10 8 6 4 2"Tom 21:27, 20 March 2022 (EDT)
So first printing like the one I have out from the library. Will update it in a bit. Thanks for checking! Annie 21:37, 20 March 2022 (EDT)

Deathstar Voyage

I'd like to expand the edition statement in Deathstar Voyage to include the full quote which mentions J.P. Putnum. Ok with you?

That's fine with me. Tom 19:33, 21 March 2022 (EDT)

Epic Illustrated April 1981

Hi Taweiss

You seem to have the Winter 1980 cover shown for the April 1981 issue of Epic Illustrated. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:59, 23 March 2022 (EDT)

Fixed it. Thanks Tom 17:53, 25 March 2022 (EDT)

The Ascent of Wonder: The Evolution of Hard SF

Would you mind double checking The Ascent of Wonder: The Evolution of Hard SF? Internet Archive has a scan, but there are some differences:

  • It does not have "First Edition" or a number line on the copyright page. I'm assuming this means the scan is a reprint, but would like to double check the statement is not a database issue before cloning.
  • page 103, title is It’s Great to Be Back vs. record's "It’s Great to Be Back!"
  • page 122, credit is Henry Kuttner and C. L. Moore vs. record's Lewis Padgett
  • page 222, title is A Descent Into the Maelström vs. record's A Descent Into the Maelstrom
  • page 333, credit is Donald M. Kingsbury vs. record's Donald Kingsbury
  • page 494, credit is John T. Sladek vs. record's John Sladek
  • page 547, title is The Author of the Acacia Seeds vs. record's "The Author of the Acacia Seeds" and Other...
  • page 656, title is Cage of Sand vs. record's The Cage of Sand
  • page 788, title is The Longest Science Fiction Story Ever Told vs. record's The Longest Science-Fiction Story Ever Told
  • page 937, title is Mammy Morgan Played the Organ; Her Daddy Beat the Drum vs. record's Mammy Morgan Played the Organ, Her Daddy Beat the Drum

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:31, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

Checking now. Tom 17:08, 1 May 2022 (EDT)
My copy does not have "First Edition" or a number line. I've confirmed each of your changes matches my copy. That's a distressingly large number of errors. My apologies. Tom 17:27, 1 May 2022 (EDT)
BTW, I’m lobbying for responses to my request. http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Community_Portal#Application_for_self-approval_status_--_taweiss
Just want a response either way. Thanks. Tom 19:54, 1 May 2022 (EDT)
Sorry, I had missed that. I responded. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
I also posted on the other two verifiers pages. I will wait a bit for their responses also just in case. Thanks for checking. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:15, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
Thanks! Tom 20:46, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
It turns out the Internet Archive scan is of the Tor / SFBC edition. I have updated that record instead. Taweiss, if your copy has "05435" on the lower back cover, than you also have the SFBC edition and you should move your verification over. Hopefully, Marc Kupper or DarkMatter42 will return and can confirm if the Tor version contents should also be updated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:25, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

Self-approver status

As per the outcome of the Community Portal discussion, the self-approver flag has been set on the account. Congratulations! Ahasuerus 23:02, 3 May 2022 (EDT) Thanks! Tom 07:25, 5 May 2022 (EDT)


Re: This submission, Do we really want to variant an English translation of an author's French language story to another English language title? Shouldn't all the translations be variants of the original Old French title (Lancelot, le Chevalier de la Charrette)? What do you think? John Scifibones 23:50, 3 May 2022 (EDT)

Yvain, same question. John Scifibones 23:56, 3 May 2022 (EDT)

Variants of variants aren't allowed, so we really do have only two title levels: the original parent and its various variants. Christian Stonecreek 06:45, 4 May 2022 (EDT)
Christian, I know how variants work. The point of my question is whether these works were originally published in English or French? If English, just say that John Scifibones 07:27, 4 May 2022 (EDT)
P.S. If English, why English translations?
I did this incorrectly. Let me take another look. I have to check Cliges and Eric et Enide as well. They should be english translations of the French orignal. Tom 15:28, 4 May 2022 (EDT)
John, you are correct that the variants of Lancelot should be variants of Le chevalier de la charrete. I'm surprised that it's novel length. Tom 18:16, 4 May 2022 (EDT)
Tom, Since you're a self-approver, I'll leave it to you. Hit me up if you need anything. John Scifibones 18:31, 4 May 2022 (EDT)
It's an interesting can of worms. If Lancelot is a novel, and the other romances are short stories, is that a collection or omnibus when they are all printed together? Tom 19:17, 4 May 2022 (EDT)
Determine if you are dealing with a novel before deciding how best to handle it. First, is it poetry? If it is poetry, length is irrelevant. Assuming it is not poetry, how long is it? The length is approximately 100 pages in the existing tp and the hc you have entered. Likely less than 40,000 words, making it a novella. This makes it a collection either way. John Scifibones 20:32, 4 May 2022 (EDT)
All four romances are over 40K words in length in English, but I can't find a source to check in Old French. I'm thinking they are likely all four novels, and any printings of them would be an omnibus. This affects enough printings/titles that I'll reach out to any PVs to get their input. Tom 20:37, 4 May 2022 (EDT)

(unindent) I'm surprised it is novel length, but that doesn't preclude it from being a collection. This topic comes up frequently on the boards, Here is the most recent example John Scifibones 21:25, 4 May 2022 (EDT)

Just reread this thread, must have been tired last night. If all four are novel length and multiple titles have been published separately, that does change things as you suggest. 08:06, 5 May 2022 (EDT)
It looks the first item to tackle is to fix all of the variants. How do I unvariant this title from this title, so I can variant them both to thisTom 09:54, 7 May 2022 (EDT)
To break a variant: Select 'Make This Title a Variant' while looking at the child title. Under option 1 you will see the currently linked parent. Changing the entry in the Parent # field to 0 and clicking 'Link to Existing Parent' will break the variant.
Before you decide the OMNIBUS vs COLLECTION question, I think you should ask Rtrace to weigh in. He entered the similar 1991 publication . John Scifibones 11:10, 7 May 2022 (EDT)
Will do! Thanks for the help! Tom 11:31, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

White Dwarf, August 1983

Hi, when I google for White Dwarf, August 1983, I get White Dwarf #44 with an Alan Craddock cover (this cover art), signed ALAN, not a Jim Burns cover. Could you check this please? Horzel 14:41, 5 May 2022 (EDT)

I can see the signature on the cover, and I see the following in the next issue. "Last issue's cover was bv Alan Craddock. not Jim Burns as credited. We apologize for the mistake. " I'll fix it. Nice catch! Tom 12:59, 6 May 2022 (EDT)
I think it's correct now. Tom 13:06, 6 May 2022 (EDT)

Who Are You?

http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Tweiss; Is this you? --Username 13:05, 16 May 2022 (EDT)

Yes. I accidently created a second account and there isn't any way to merge them. Tom 16:58, 16 May 2022 (EDT)

Heavy Metal, December 1981

Hi, Taweiss. I was looking at the cleanup report for reviews not linked to titles, and saw "God Emperor of Dune", by "Frank Herbet", in this issue. I checked your source, the GCD, and didn't see any book reviews mentioned. Where did you find them? And is Herbert's name misspelled in it? Thanks. --Rosab618 12:40, 18 May 2022 (EDT)

I had seen the review in a scan of the magazine. Thanks for letting me know. Tom 16:52, 19 May 2022 (EDT)
Glad I could help. Where did you find the scan of the magazine? I'd like to read it, if I could. Thanks again. --Rosab618 17:57, 19 May 2022 (EDT)

Chrétien de Troyes romances

Hi. This week I see your notices at User talk: Rtrace and (with my reply this hour) Linguist. You mention weekly work and I guess the weekend is likely. These notices may be useful to you.

  • The submission queue may be a week long. It includes my AuthorUpdate for three CdT translators W. W. Comfort [10] (maybe canonical name should be W. Wistar Comfort); William W. Kibler [11]; Carleton W. Carroll [12].
  • Last fortnight I added John Howe children's picture book The Knight with the Lion: The Story of Yvain P897925 among others. That is work to be continued, with the juvenile short story by John Howe to be considered for CdT co-authorship when I am able to visit a regional public library and see the book. Of course the story will belong in series Yvain, if any.
  • Also this month I credited translators of all three Yvain variants, and revised their spurious 1181 title dates. One of those remains in the queue [13].

--Pwendt|talk 10:07, 21 May 2022 (EDT)

Thanks for the update. I had been distracted and so I hadn't gotten back to work on this. I'm still planning to change the original novella to a novel, change the language to Old French, and update the title to "Yvain ou le chevalier au lion". For consistency with Lancelot, it seems the date should also be unknown with details about possible dating in the notes. Eric et Enide and Perceval ou le Conte du Graal also need to be updated. Any concerns about these changes? Tom 12:09, 21 May 2022 (EDT)
[1] I should have linked my reply to you at Linguist and observed that it concerns the use of series --such as series Yvain containing works by CdT and others. That reply belongs here; I moved here for part two and you should freely reply to it here, or not.
Because ISFDB permits title membership in one series only, series such as I suggest will function well only if you do not create series Arthurian Romances (or similar title) that contains all 4 or 5 original works by CdT. By the way, I mentioned adaptations there, but such series are "needed" also for excerpts from translations and translations of excerpts, because those too should not be made variants of the original work.
[2] Re the use of a title that begins "Lancelot", and then one that contains a colon and/or 'ou': Choosing a parent title you have freedom to fashion uniformly, i understand; because we don't require that our parent title match the original (maybe differs in multiple extant mss?) nor that it match the earliest Old French publication. Colon, semicolon, comma, or nothing: frequently those are merely different ways to represent one multi-line title in a single line.
For instance the colon in Linguist's verified title for the dual-language Lancelot: ou le chevalier de la charrette P835005 does not appear on the front cover. If the title page does match the cover where relevant, that colon is an interpretation of the line break. Usage such as "; or," in English-language titles is similarly ambiguous regarding the title as published.
I suggest you do opt for consistency across the CdT works, in fashioning the parent titles and in dating them unknown. --Pwendt|talk 19:29, 21 May 2022 (EDT)
If the world thinks these works are poetry, why are we treating them as something else? Rtrace points out that some of the translations look like prose. While prose is just as valid a form of poetry as verse, it really is irrelevant. We don't variant for title type. If the parent is poetry, so are all the 'children'. As I originally pointed out to Tom, this solves all questions regarding length. This approach allows all publications with multiple titles to be type collection instead of omnibus, which feels wrong. Any publication with just one title will be a chapbook. As for series, title type poetry does not preclude the use of series. John Scifibones 20:45, 21 May 2022 (EDT)
This would appear to be an old can of worms. Given how we've currently classified other epics, I'm thinking we stick with novel for now. Tom 08:51, 22 May 2022 (EDT)
I'm not sure we need an Arthurian Romances series, though if we did, we could define Yvain as a subseries, right? Tom 08:54, 22 May 2022 (EDT)
Yes, a super-series Arthurian Romances containing innumerable works by everyone ;-) [I hope not. Offhand I think that's best left to mere title Tags, albeit those are not moderated.]
I mean that a CdT-specific series by analogy to JKRowling-specific Harry Potter series[*], so that Gutenberg #831 is deemed an OMNIBUS edition of vols 1-4 (of 5 with one incomplete?), is not compatible with Lancelot series containing adaptations, continuations, parodies[*] as well as translations and excerpts (for which CdT is sole author); Yvain series containing adaptations, etc;
See super-series Gulliver's Travels Universe[*] for illustration. Many many of the works are specific to Lilliput (Gulliver's first voyage to the island of 1/12-size) and it would be nice to group those in Lilliput-only super-series but we cannot. Those works with author Jonathan Swift can only be in the Gulliver's Travels [(co)author Swift] or Lilliput [subject] subseries.
[*]parodies maybe get yet another treatment --Pwendt|talk 10:12, 23 May 2022 (EDT)


http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?839324; replaced thumbnail with bigger image. --Username 11:01, 26 May 2022 (EDT)

Looks good! Thanks Tom 17:58, 27 May 2022 (EDT)

The Northern Girl

For The Northern Girl, would you mind if I:
1. Change the page count to [14]+415
2. Import title "The Northern Girl (maps)" on page [9]
3. Add essay title "Appendices (The Northern Girl)" by uncredited on page 409
4. Add relevant notes

Thanks! Phil 17:05, 30 May 2022 (EDT)

The Third Eagle

On the title page of my copy of The Third Eagle there is what looks like a subtitle under the drawing. Based on this, I would like to change the title to "The Third Eagle: Lessons Along a Minor String". The record for the Doubleday hardcover edition has this subtitle and this pub is stated as being the complete text of that edition. Would it be OK to make the change? Phil 07:24, 31 May 2022 (EDT)