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What was the source of the price and date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325212 this edit]? Neither are on the pub. When using secondary source (sources that are not the pub), you should be listing the source of the data in the pub notes. Thanks. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:30, 31 May 2022 (EDT)
What was the source of the price and date for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5325212 this edit]? Neither are on the pub. When using secondary source (sources that are not the pub), you should be listing the source of the data in the pub notes. Thanks. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:30, 31 May 2022 (EDT)
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In [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5327356 this edit], you removed "No date other than year. Source of month unknown." Why? The pub does not have a month in it. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 20:32, 31 May 2022 (EDT)

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Hello, Rosab618, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Stonecreek 12:18, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

The Magnificent Mummy Maker

Thank you very much for this new item! Since the word count seems to be less than 40,000 we categorize the fiction as SHORTFICTION (and the publication for only one piece of fiction or one poem as CHAPBOOK), so I transformed the titles accordingly (see the help on types of publication. Thank you again, Stonecreek 12:26, 27 March 2019 (EDT)

I've put your submission on hold as the fiction seems to be not of novel length. If you heve proof of another length, please state so (it's possible to count only the word on a representative page and thus come to an estimate for the word count). Thanks, Stonecreek 04:13, 28 March 2019 (EDT)
With no answer, I'll reject your submission.
It may be looking odd, but there are many, many titles that were advertised & published as NOVELs, but ain't so by our standard (which is based on some major award categories and the SFWA categorization in particular). Thanks, Stonecreek 05:53, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

Image Uploading

Cover image uploading is a two step process. Once you have uploaded a cover to the wiki, you need to click on the image (so you get just the image), copy that URL, and then edit the publication to add the URL to the publication. So for:

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:04, 25 April 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for your help. I think I've done it right this time.˜˜˜˜
Why can't I sign my name? The tildes aren't working for me. Any advice?
Yes, you have updated the pubs correctly. I approved the edits.
The tildes you typed above are not ASCII tildes. They are at the top of the line vs in the middle (˜ vs ~). You can use the signature button (second to last in toolbar at top of edit box).
I moved your post from my talk page to here. It is easier to keep conversations grouped and I have watchlisted this page. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:23, 27 April 2019 (EDT)


Hi. Sorry, but I had to reject your submission for Yeah! because we don't include comic books into the database, even if they are science fiction comics. See the ISFDB Policy for more details about what is eligible for inclusion into the ISFDB. Don't hesitate to ask on the Help desk page if you're not sure how to proceed or if an item is eligible for inclusion. Thanks, Jens Hitspacebar 07:46, 28 April 2019 (EDT)

Okay, thanks, Jens! I understand! Rosab618 23:28, 6 May 2019 (EDT)

Question: if comic books aren’t allowed, why are the Sandman books included? They’re collections of comic books just like Yeah. Rosab618 02:55, 14 May 2019 (EDT)
Please don't cross post and keep the discussion about the same topic on the page where it started, which is this page in this case.
As for your question: As a speculative fiction database, the ISFDB includes only written texts like novels and short stories, as well as essays, reviews, interviews about such speculative fiction. However, there are exceptions, which are explained in the ISFDB:Policy, to which I had already linked above. The relevant term to look up there is "threshold". I quote from there:
  • "Included: Works (both fiction and non-fiction) which are not related to speculative fiction, but were produced by authors who have otherwise published works either of or about speculative fiction over a certain threshold"
  • "Excluded: Works that are not related to speculative fiction by authors who have not published works either of or about speculative fiction over a certain threshold."
In short, this means that if an author has published a substantial amount of speculative fiction, the author's other works which are not speculative fiction or about speculative fiction may be entered. The "threshold" mentioned in the policy can be hard to determine in some cases, but prolific authors like Neil Gaiman are certainly above it and therefore his Sandman books are allowed here. Iain M. Banks, who has written a solid body of non-genre novels, is another example. Put the other way around: if a comic author had published dozens of comic books but only one speculative fiction novel ever, only the one and only novel would be eligible for inclusion here, but no comics, because this author would not be above the "threshold". The authors of your comic book submission haven't written speculative fiction, therefore the rejection. Jens Hitspacebar 14:03, 14 May 2019 (EDT)

Canceled submission

Is there a way to resubmit a new publication that I canceled? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Rosab618 (talkcontribs) .

You should start new discussion threads about new questions on the Help_desk and not here on your talk page, because it's likely that the question remains unanswered if posted here. Always use the "+" button on top of a wiki page to start a new topic and not the "edit" link, because it will indicate that a user has started a new topic and makes it easier for others to see that there's a new topic.
Also, as stated in the " Welcome!" message on top of this page, please don't forget to sign you post with four tildes ("~"), which will add your username and the timestamp to your post.
As for you question: the software doesn't support it, but you can copy&paste the data from the cancelled submission into a new submission. You can find your cancelled submissions (and the ones rejected by moderators) on the My Rejected Edits page. Just click on the submission number in the "Submission" column there and copy the data from there into a new submission form. Jens Hitspacebar 07:05, 26 May 2019 (EDT)

Cover Image Uploading

Cover images should be uploaded using the "Upload new cover scan" option on the publication. If you are adding a new publication, you should wait for the publication to be added and then upload it using the link. The link will properly name the image as well as apply the correct templates. I have left Image:39EC45FB-4CD2-4AA2-B4F4-2896B7AE8EFB.jpeg where it is, but have applied the proper template. In the future, please use the upload link. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:51, 28 May 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for the info, JLaTondre. I'm learning everything the hard way, it seems. --Rosab618 13:11, 29 May 2019 (EDT)

Buddy Holly Is Alive and Well on Ganymede (and others)

Hi. I've put your submission on hold, as you have given no explanation for the modified date on a PVed record : can you indicate where the month comes from in the notes ? I'll wait for your answer before I release your submission. Thanks, Linguist 05:09, 28 June 2019 (EDT).

Same thing for this one. Linguist 05:30, 28 June 2019 (EDT).
And this oneLinguist 05:32, 28 June 2019 (EDT).
Hi, Linguist. Sorry about that. I got the months from Locus. I’ve made notes to the moderator to this effect.--Rosab618 20:44, 28 June 2019 (EDT)
No worries. You haven't quite followed the usual procedure, so I had to reject your two new submissions, after approving your earlier ones and updating the notes with the explanation you gave to the moderator. The results are here and here. Since you used Locus to do this, you can show it in the “Secondary Verifications" box : click on "Verify This Pub" in the "Editing Tools" list, then click in front of "Locus1" in the "Verified" column.
What should have happened is this :
  • You should have answered (as you did) on your page, and waited for my response (I know, it takes time because of time zones, but that's the way it is…) :o).
  • I would have said OK, and approved your submissions.
  • You would have then updated them, by adding the reference to Locus in the notes (which should have been done the first time).
  • I (or someone else) would have approved the new update.
May I also remind you that it is customary to post a notice on the pages of the concerned PVers (in this case, Dsorgen; BLongley is no longer with us) about the data you added or the modifications you made. Please do so ASAP. It is even better, when dealing with an important update (such as a change or modification of date), to confer with the PVer first.
You haven't done anything about The Worst Band in the Universe. I'll reject it, so you can make a new submission (date + reference to Locus in the notes) and check Locus1 in the Secondary Verifications" box. Hope all this makes sense… Linguist 05:19, 29 June 2019 (EDT).



When you are using Goodreads as a source, don't forget to add the ID (just the number part of it) in the External IDs field. I updated this one. The link on the left uses the ISBN which may be enough for a lot of books but if the ISBN is ever reused or something else get connected differently in GR, we can lose the record. So let's save the number in the field. :) Thanks! Annie 18:10, 24 July 2019 (EDT)

Will do, Annie. Thank you for the tip. --Rosab618 01:47, 25 July 2019 (EDT)

Fright Time #2

Hi, You missed to put in the format size of Yor verified pub. It should be pb or tp. Thank You. --Zapp 08:14, 29 August 2019 (EDT)

Sorry, Zapp. There must have been a mistake. I didn't mean to verify that book.--Rosab618 21:06, 4 September 2019 (EDT)

Ok. --Zapp 06:07, 6 September 2019 (EDT)

Introduction: Dark Seasons Past

Is this really a fiction piece or did you just forget to change it to essay? And is the title spelled like that exactly? if not, we use the "Introduction (Dark Seasons Past)" format for differentiation. Thanks! Annie 13:03, 11 September 2019 (EDT)

Oops. It is an essay. Sorry! It is spelled exactly like that, though.--Rosab618 19:15, 11 September 2019 (EDT)
Then we record it like that :) Annie 19:25, 11 September 2019 (EDT)

Kiss The Sky: Fiction & Poetry Starring Jimi Hendrix

Are you sure that this is speculative fiction? I will be more than happy to approve it if we determine it is but wanted to check - reading the descriptions only does not make me think it is. Thanks for checking! Annie 18:13, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

I think it can be called speculative fiction. There are several interviews with the deceased rocker, encounters with his ghost, and tales of traveling through time to warn him.--Rosab618 18:55, 13 September 2019 (EDT)
Yeah... sounds like it - probably borderline but as it is fiction, borderline usually is in. I approved it and also fixed the "The" in the title - should be "the". Thanks for the confirmation! :) Annie 19:30, 13 September 2019 (EDT)
It should be "the," but the book has it as "The." It's fine for it to remain as it is now, though.--Rosab618 16:08, 2 October 2019 (EDT)

Kiss the Sky: Fiction & Poetry Starring Jimi Hendrix

Sorry, I put some notes to Your PV pub here and added an image URL before I discovered Your verification. The data are found at Amazon's Look inside. Hope You are not angry about and can accept them, too. --Zapp 13:46, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Of course I'm not angry! Thank you for adding the cover image. I think it's a little more information than necessary, that's all.--Rosab618 16:07, 2 October 2019 (EDT)


Thanks for adding the sources to the stories. One thing though - when you are referring to a book, add some identifying information - see what I did here for example. This makes the identification of the initial source a lot easier than having just the name of the book with no other details (and if someone ever changes the date for some reason (mistake or not), we will also loose that). Thanks in advance! :) Annie 15:54, 2 October 2019 (EDT)

Will do, Annie. Sorry and thank you.--Rosab618 16:05, 2 October 2019 (EDT)
No worries. :) I am locating the books and updating as I am approving the ones now in the queue. Just always think of the next guy opening the title - can they find the referenced easily? If not, add more details.
PS: What is the source here? Annie 16:10, 2 October 2019 (EDT)

Demon Lover vs Demonlover

I had to reject this submission as it would have changed it in all five of the pubs that had "Demon Lover". Per the Amazon Look Inside for Backstage Passes, that did use "Demon Lover". Also, since the original Hotter Blood is verified and the verifier is active, we need to check with them. Sometimes things like this are a database typo, but sometime they are a change between editions.

Instead, I updated the version in only your verified pub (by unmerging it & then merging that with the existing "Demonlover" variant). I will also ask Auric about his verified pub and change if needed. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:01, 24 November 2019 (EST)

Rod Serling's Night Gallery Reader

Hello! I've put your submission on hold to give the exact month of publication for the first publication of this anthology, since there seems to be no source that states it. Do you have one at hand? Christian Stonecreek 05:25, 11 January 2020 (EST)

Locus.--Rosab618 23:34, 12 January 2020 (EST)
Thanks! Christian Stonecreek 09:14, 13 January 2020 (EST)


Hi, I have currently two submissions on hold where you want to change the title to 'Non-Genre', without stating why. Could you in the future use the 'Note' field to enlighten both moderator and future readers of the record? For now, I would like to know of the two records in question as to why they are 'Non-Genre' instead of 'Genre'.--Dirk P Broer 11:14, 13 January 2020 (EST)

Sorry, I didn’t know. Stonecreek changed all the ones I submitted that he got, without asking for more information. I’ve never had to explain before. (I’m not trying to complain, just explain why I didn’t leave a note.) “The Five Percent People” is a story of two women in a relationship with a toxic man. It’s a crime story, I suppose. The horror is emotional, not supernatural. There are no fantasy or SF elements.
“Punishments” is a story about a teenage boy who is seduced by an S&M-obsessed older woman. Physical and mental horror.--Rosab618 02:46, 14 January 2020 (EST)
I have another one on hold now.--Dirk P Broer 10:07, 27 February 2020 (EST)
“Tyrannosaurus” is a really disturbing story about a woman’s evil ex-husband, what she does to him, and what happens to their child as a result. It’s a crime story, but it’s not out of place in a horror magazine.--Rosab618 01:45, 28 February 2020 (EST)

Mrs. Piggle-Wiggle

Hi! I have two submissions on hold to change publications or titles in this series from NOVEL to COLLECTION, though it seems that each of them contains only one piece of fiction (a COLLECTION has to contain more than one piece). Could you please explain what's the reasoning behind? Christian Stonecreek 07:24, 8 March 2020 (EDT)

The pieces are mentioned here, but they are chapters, not separate short-fiction stories.--Dirk P Broer 08:23, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
So it would seem best to install them as CHAPBOOKs/SERIALs (?!) Christian Stonecreek 09:46, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
The chapters mentioned in Wikipedia are chapters of novels, never separately published -to the best of my knowledge.--Dirk P Broer 21:02, 8 March 2020 (EDT)
They are separate stories. But they were not published separately. There are a few recurring characters. I guess I should have added the stories as well as changing the books to COLLECTIONS?--Rosab618 01:13, 9 March 2020
Okay, thanks! I'll approve of the submissions. Please add the respective stories to the volumes. Christian Stonecreek 03:26, 9 March 2020 (EDT)

Tenth of December

What is your source for the change here? Thanks! Annie 15:38, 11 May 2020 (EDT)

The book itself.--Rosab618 03:47, 12 May 2020 (EDT)
Can you check the copyright page - Is it first printing with a complete number line? Prices change often for later printings so want to make sure we do not have this. If it is not first printing, then instead of editing the existing book, we will need to clone. Especially considering that now it seems to be 17 at Amazon. Thanks for checking. Annie 04:08, 12 May 2020 (EDT)


Hello. Your submission here wants to update the publication date to 1972-06-00, and adds cover artist. Could you provide the data source of both date and cover artist that you've used to update this information please (I couldn't find it)? Thank you! (by the way, it's always good practice to add the source in the Notes field, and date it - that way, editors will know where data came from, and when it was added.) MagicUnk 13:40, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Okay, I added the source and resubmitted it. (I forgot to add the date, though. Sorry! Can you?)--Rosab618 15:42, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
Also, in which Notes field should I add it?--Rosab618 15:55, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
Information about a book, such as cover artist and pub date goes into the Notes field of the publication record. It's perfect like this. Thanks! ?MagicUnk
Great! So not the Note to Moderator?--Rosab618 16:51, 23 May 2020 (EDT)
Nope... :) MagicUnk

Starship Intercourse

It looks like you stumbled into one of our wiki issues. I see you uploaded a new image multiple times at Image:STRSHPNTRC1971.jpg. You then uploaded a similar image to Image:STRSHPNTRC31971.jpg and have submitted an edit to change the publication image to that one. I'm guessing you uploaded the new image at the first place, but thought the image had not been replaced. In fact, it had been replaced. When uploading a replacement image, our wiki has a problem in that it won't tell uploader's browser that the image has changed and the browser will continue to use a cached version of the image instead of downloading the new one. When this happens, you have to force the browser to reload it (typically control-F5 will do this for most broswers, the other option is to clear your cache). I have cleaned up all the duplicate entries & kept the original location. If you are not seeing the correct image, you will need to clear your nroswer cache. Also, please remember that the maximum size of the longest dimension for a cover image should be 600 px. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:30, 23 May 2020 (EDT)

Those Sexy Saucer People

When adding information from a secondary source, please add the source to the pub notes and not the moderator notes. That way it will be visible to everyone. I have updated this pub notes for Those Sexy Saucer People with your moderator note. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:03, 24 May 2020 (EDT)

Faerie Magazine format

Hi. I noticed your recent Faerie Magazine submission came through with a format of "unknown". I see several of the other issues we have recorded likewise do not specify a format. Can you describe for me the size and how it is bound? Thanks. --MartyD 11:18, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Hi! I didn't have a measuring tape when I added it, but now I can say that the magazine measures about 8.5 x 10.5. Would that be quarto?--Rosab618 16:20, 22 June 2020 (EDT)
Yes, I would use quarto. You can find a list with explanations and sizes in [help]. Scroll down to "Print Magazines". Often things are not a perfect fit, so we try to pick what seems closest. You can always add the exact dimensions and/or binding details (e.g., "saddle stapled") to the pub notes if you want to. Some people do, some people don't. It's really a matter of how important you think the additional information is and how much effort you're willing to put in to get it recorded. --MartyD 10:10, 23 June 2020 (EDT)
My last submission seems to be taking awhile. Is there anything I can do to help?--Rosab618 13:58, 23 June 2020 (EDT)
Sorry about the delayed response. My availability is a bit sporadic. Delays in processing submissions happen for a variety of reasons that all usually boil down to moderators spread too thinly. We know it can be frustrating -- especially when you're on a data entry roll! -- but it's an all-volunteer crew, and the submissions will get taken care of eventually. You can help by learning the ISFDB policies and idiosyncrasies. Once you get good at those, we'll recruit you as another moderator. ;-) --MartyD 10:40, 26 June 2020 (EDT)

Lusby pieces in Faerie Magazine, Autumn 2016

Hi again. One other thing. For your Faerie Magazine, Autumn 2016, I found while researching Lindsay Lusby that she lists on her site those three pieces in that magazine as poems, whereas your submission had them using the default SHORTFICTION type. I changed them to POEM based on that, but please correct it if it is wrong -- what you see in the actual magazine supersedes anything any website has to say, even the author's. Thanks. --MartyD 11:27, 21 June 2020 (EDT)

Sorry! You're totally right. Those are poems that I forgot to mark as such. Thanks for catching that mistake.--Rosab618 16:21, 22 June 2020 (EDT)

We Talk Fairy Tales with Helen Oyeyemi

For We Talk Fairy Tales with Helen Oyeyemi, does the magazine actually credit the interview as "Faerie Magazine"? Or should this actually be uncredited? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:10, 23 June 2020 (EDT)

Same question for Talking Magic and Storytelling with Isabel Allende. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:24, 23 June 2020 (EDT)

It credits the interviewer in both cases as "Faerie Magazine." I think "Editors of Faerie Magazine" would be better, or uncredited, but that's what it says.--Rosab618 18:28, 23 June 2020 (EDT)
Alternate name established. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:43, 23 June 2020 (EDT)

Title Record Formating

HTML formatting should not be used in titles (publication or content). It breaks search as users would not be able to find the title without typing the HTML. You are welcome to document the formatting in the notes if you wish. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:16, 23 June 2020 (EDT)

Noted. Do you know why the winter 2014 issue is taking so long to be approved? Should I do it over? Thanks. --Rosab618 00:37, 25 June 2020 (EDT)
Approved it. Had to remove the cover as we're only allowed to link to specific sites (see ISFDB:Image linking permissions). As a non-genre magazine, we really shouldn't have cover art but I see a number of other issue have them. This is an odd magazine. It has a lot of fiction, but its focus is more than fiction and we don't want to catalog all the non-published speculative fiction related stuff (I debated simply removing the interview of the snow flake photographer instead of converting it to an essay as we should only be including genre content if its categorized as non-genre). You may wish to start a discussion at the ISFDB:Community Portal to clarify it's status. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:05, 25 June 2020 (EDT)

Women Who Fly with Corvids

Are the interviewees of Women Who Fly with Corvids authors? We have no publications under these names. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:39, 23 June 2020 (EDT)

No, Kelly Miller-Lopez is "the lead singer of Woodland, a neo-folk band", and Sasha is a Ukrainian fantasy artist. Do they not belong? I apologize, if so.--Rosab618 21:31, 23 June 2020 (EDT)
If the person doesn't have eligible works, we enter it as an essay and not an interview. I have converted this one over. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:59, 23 June 2020 (EDT)

Wolf Skin

Hi. A new ISFDB gotcha for you! :-) I accepted your Wolfskin -> Wolf Skin title change, but unfortunately title text lives in two places: In the title record (which you edited), and again in the publication record(s) associated with that title. So to correct a title, you need to edit both records. I've taken care of the publication, so this is just something to keep in mind for the future. While looking at your change, I came across a link on the author's site and also an ISBN on Google Books, so I've added this information and adjusted the note to reflect the sources. --MartyD 07:46, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

Enchanted Living, Spring 2019

I accepted your addition of Enchanted Living, Spring 2019. I did change the series from "Faerie Magazine" to "Enchanted Living" and then made both a subseries of Faerie Magazine / Enchanted Living. That way they are linked together, but if someone searches magazines by "Enchanted Living", they will be able to find it. Is the artwork "Fairy folk by an old gnarled tree" (Grandmother Elder illustration)" titled that way in the publication or did you add the part in parenthesis? It should be titled per the magazine. An additional information should go into the notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:57, 1 July 2020 (EDT)

Faerie Magazine

I added a cover image to Faerie Magazine, Spring 2015 and some note. I guess the other magazines you verified with an unknown format have also "quarto" as the others in this series from 2014-2018 ? --Zapp 05:41, 16 August 2020 (EDT)

Goodnight vs. Good Night

Hello. I have your submission on hold, as you want to change a Primary Verified publication. Best to check with MLB if it is a typo and that the title is indeed written on the title page as Good Night or not. MagicUnk 18:02, 26 August 2020 (EDT)

Got confirmation from MLB, and updated the pub record accordingly. Thanks for spotting this. MagicUnk 14:10, 5 September 2020 (EDT)


Hello. Re. this submission. Please do not submit 'empty' edits. It serves no purpose. If you need to contact moderators, please do so through the appropriate forums, such as Help Desk, Community Portal, or Moderator noticeboard. Here, you could have easily added the note to moderators into the title's proper note field yourself. Thank you for your understanding! MagicUnk 13:54, 28 November 2020 (EST)

I thought the moderators might want to add that note, so it wouldn't look like the same person wrote all the notes for the story. I didn't know submitting a Note to Moderators was an "empty" edit.--Rosab618 21:13, 28 November 2020 (EST)


Regarding this submission: These do not get varianted together. The one record is for the chapbook publication and the other is for the story within the chapbook. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 10:03, 12 December 2020 (EST)

Ghost Beyond the Garden


Thanks for adding Ghost Beyond the Garden. A few notes:

  • When you use OCLC and GR as sources, add the IDs in the external IDs.
  • OCLC says this book is 20 cm. That means tp, not pb

I fixed both. If you have any questions, let me know. Annie 23:05, 11 March 2021 (EST)

Born Bad

Hello, can you tell me what source you used for this submission? Please remember to state where you got the data from in the notes - that is, if you don't have the book in hand, as if that's the case please do primary verify upfront so we know the submitted info is coming from an actual copy. Thank you, regards, MagicUnk 16:31, 11 April 2021 (EDT)

I got it from the scanned copy on archive.org. Does that count as primary? Thanks, --Rosab618 04:29, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
Not really, but if you can pull up the link to the copy on archive.org, add it to the webpages multi-field of the pub record. Thanks! MagicUnk 15:33, 23 April 2021 (EDT)

Fangoria covers

For non-genre magazines, we only include covers if the cover illustrates a genre story or is by a well-known genre artist. Since neither is the case for the Fangoria covers, I have removed them. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:12, 16 May 2021 (EDT)

Fangoria is a genre magazine. I know you say it isn't, but since it has book reviews and occasional interviews with authors, I think it is. You have too many rules, if you don't mind me saying so. Sorry. But don't worry, I won't be a squeaky wheel and try to add them back.--Rosab618 16:20, 16 May 2021 (EDT)
Genre for ISFDB purposes is defined by our project scope which is based on written speculative fiction. Simply having reviews and interviews related to written speculative fiction does not make something genre for ISFDB purposes. If it did, then the The New York Times Book Review would have to be considered genre. If we called either genre, then all contents of those magazine would be eligible for inclusion. The original non-genre magazine rules were focused more on things like Playboy (which once upon a time published quite a bit of speculative fiction) than on non-written speculative fiction magazines. I would be fine with allowing covers to all non-genre magazine, but especially non-written speculative fiction magazines. But as it is, I have to go by the current rules. You are welcome to start a Rules and standards discussions discussion. Peoples' opinions on the rules change over time and it is possible there may be support for expanding covers. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:29, 16 May 2021 (EDT)
Alright. Question: should I include the issue number in the title or not?--Rosab618 19:40, 16 May 2021 (EDT)
There is actually an on-going rules discussion about that. There current rules are date only with the issue number belonging in the pub notes. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:03, 16 May 2021 (EDT)

Another question: Anthony Timpone was the editor of Fangoria, so should I name him as the author instead of "Editors of Fangoria"?--Rosab618 02:43, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

Your choice. The rules recently changed to allow editor names for non-genre magazines. "Editors of ..." is still permissible though. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:22, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

For the issue numbers, they need to go in the pub notes field and not the title notes field. All title records for a single year are combined together so any issue specific information needs to be in the publication. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:47, 19 May 2021 (EDT)

Advise and Consent

I'm holding your edit to set the non-genre flag for Drury's Advise and Consent. I had recently removed that flag with a comment on the edit that several SF secondary sources list the novel. Clute/Nicholls lists it as the first part of a near future history. Tuck offers only that the novel is of a near and unspecified future. Reginald1 is the other source and offers no explanation aside from listing it. Given the three sources, I think it probably should not be marked as non-genre. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 10:15, 27 May 2021 (EDT)

I can't find it now, but isn't there a guideline that novels set in an unspecified near future that's no different from our world don't count as genre?--Rosab618 21:42, 27 May 2021 (EDT)
I believe you are referring to Exclusions from the policy page: "Techno-thriller, political thriller and satire works set in a future indistinguishable from the present (?)". I'm not sure if the question mark is meant to denote some ambiguity with the rule. Since the post, I also found the novel covered on SFE3 which is, of course, an update of Clute/Nicholls. I will concede that Clute/Nicholls and SFE3 speak about the novel in context with its sequels which clearly get into speculative areas. Tuck only lists the first two novels in the series. I still contend that being listed in multiple SF encyclopedias and guides would indicate that this is a genre novel. If you still disagree, I can start a discussion on the community portal and we can ask for additional opinions. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:03, 28 May 2021 (EDT)
I still think it doesn't deserve the genre label, yes.--Rosab618 20:15, 28 May 2021 (EDT)
I've started this discussion in the Community Portal. Please feel free to chime in there. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:27, 29 May 2021 (EDT)
Are the rest of my pending edits on hold until this is settled?--Rosab618 14:55, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
No, just the one. It should be marked in the edit queue with the moderator who is holding it. I don't see any others of yours that are currently held. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:16, 30 May 2021 (EDT)
Yes, but will the others be handled? It's been a few days. I was using "on hold" figuratively.--Rosab618 17:32, 30 May 2021 (EDT)


Hello! I accepted several of your submissions in which you added the translator of the story. FYI: For this kind of cases we generally use a template. You can found this particular template here Templates and HTML in Note Fields. Scroll down to Non-Linking Templates. Regards Rudolf Rudam 11:29, 1 June 2021 (EDT)


Hello! I approved your submission Stinger. Could it be a typo? We have this title with this author Robert R. McCammon. Regards Rudolf Rudam 11:12, 8 June 2021 (EDT)

Yes, it was a typo. Sorry!--Rosab618 15:02, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
Change approved, thanks. Ahasuerus 16:23, 8 June 2021 (EDT)

Fangoria, December 1988

Re: this submission, which changed "Fangoria, December 1988" to "Fangoria, December 1988". Do we want to change the dates of the Contents titles from "1988-11-00" to "1988-12-00" as well? Ahasuerus 16:25, 8 June 2021 (EDT)

Yes. Sorry.--Rosab618 16:29, 8 June 2021 (EDT)
Updated, thanks! Ahasuerus 16:42, 8 June 2021 (EDT)


http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?30181; your entry of the January 1987 Fango doesn't link to Psychos by John McCarty, but it's on ISFDB at the link I provided. --Username 11:35, 14 June 2021 (EDT)

Famous Monster of Filmland

When a title publication has a primary verifier (as 1258720 does), you need to contact the primary verifier(s) and include some sort of explanation as to why you are making a change to the entry. Since I'm the primary verifier on this one, I'll check my copy when I get home. I've placed your submission on hold since it didn't have any sort of explanation. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:23, 14 June 2021 (EDT)

Alright, you do that. Thanks.--Rosab618 18:44, 14 June 2021 (EDT)
I've verified the title page and approved the submission. I also updated the pub, so that doesn't need to be fixed. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 15:05, 16 June 2021 (EDT)

Fangoria, January 1986

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1009259; review in Fango is not linked because there's no colon. --Username 20:49, 16 June 2021 (EDT)

Yeah, I know. A moderator will probably link it for me anyway, since I asked. Are you a moderator?--Rosab618 22:08, 16 June 2021 (EDT)
No, I've only been editing for exactly 6 months today! I wouldn't wish to be a moderator, anyway. But I think I can say that I'm 1 of the better editors here because I actually take pride in my editing and double-check everything before I enter it, so I'm the type that would notice something like a missing link. I've always found it odd that a major genre mag like Fangoria wasn't entered on ISFDB except for a few stray issues, so I appreciate that you are the one who finally decided to start entering them. As I've been going through your issues and noticing a couple of unlinked reviews, I've also entered a lot of info for publications I've not noticed before; I just fixed/added a lot for Chas. Balun's book, for example. You're doing major work here, because Fango began in 1979, publishing at least 10 issues a year for the next 35 years; 2015 onwards is spotty, with different owners and online issues and no issues in 2017 and so forth. I actually own all issues between sometime in 1986 and sometime in 1991, so if your issues are missing anything or whatever I can always check mine. Thanks for your efforts. --Username 10:04, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
Happy anniversary. I notice all the missing links too. I "take pride" in my editing too (although pride comes before a fall). The review is linked now, colon and all.--Rosab618 14:06, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
Hi! I have ticked the respective Fangoria titles' nongenre boxes as we define this magazine in such a way (see the note for the title series). Please don't forget to do that if you plan to add further issues. Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 11:29, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
It's just that I only enter the genre content: reviews of sf, interviews with sf authors, and occasionally stories about same. Does that really count as non-genre?--Rosab618 14:06, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
The magazine itself is non-genre since it mostly covers horror TV and films. Individual titles within the magazine can still be genre. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:20, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
One more clarification (because I typed it and forgot to post earlier): for Genre magazines, we add ALL contents (and mark the non-genre ones as non-genre). For non-genre magazines, we add only relevant genre contents. So "New Yorker" for example is here only with its genre contents while if Analog ever publishes a non-genre essay or story, we will add the non-genre story/essay and mark it as such (while exactly the same story in "New Yorker" won't be eligible). Fangoria is not genre according to our rules of what is genre (genre fiction and non-fiction related to or about genre fiction) so you don't add the films contents. Had the same film essay shown up in Analog, we would have added it despite it being non-genre. Hope this makes sense. Annie 14:43, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
Yes, I understand now.--Rosab618 16:52, 17 June 2021 (EDT)
Thanks for working on all those magazines! They can be a bit of a pain to work on sometimes... :) Annie 16:55, 17 June 2021 (EDT)

Text posted on Username's User page

Re: the text that you posted on User:Username's user page earlier today, please note that updating other editors' User pages -- jokingly or otherwise -- is not acceptable. ISFDB editors have been known to disagree about issues, sometimes passionately, but we need to keep things civil. As long as it remains a single occurrence, I won't be taking any administrative measures (as per ISFDB:Policy#Blocking_Policy), but please don't do it again. Ahasuerus 22:05, 17 June 2021 (EDT)

I won't. Thanks for going easy on me.--Rosab618 00:11, 18 June 2021 (EDT)

Editors of Fangoria

Regarding these submissions: [1], [2], [3], & [4]. The title record should match the publication so the existing records would be correct based on how the pubs are entered. What are you trying to achieve? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:15, 19 June 2021 (EDT)

I'm trying to put the 1986 and 1987 issues together by year, even though they were edited by different editors.--Rosab618 14:13, 19 June 2021 (EDT)
Actually, maybe I don't want to do that.--Rosab618 14:23, 19 June 2021 (EDT)
We keep separate editor records for different editors. This allows the editor (and editor changes) to be seen at the series level. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:52, 19 June 2021 (EDT)
Got it, thanks.--Rosab618 19:09, 19 June 2021 (EDT)

Couple Fangoria Items

I changed "Bob Martin (Fangoria)" to "Bob Martin (editor)". We typically use roles in these cases.

For this interview, I assume the interviewee is not the German author currently listed. Should it be Thomas Berger (1924-2014)?

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:35, 26 June 2021 (EDT)

Thank you so much. I'm sorry, that must have been a lot of work to change the name after I used it so many times.
Yes, I meant the well-known Thomas Berger. I should have looked it up first, but shouldn't he have the plain name?
Thanks again.--Rosab618 12:26, 26 June 2021 (EDT)
I was able to edit the author's name and change them all at once. That can only be done under limited cases as it changes all pubs & title records under the original name.
I changed the interview credit. We don't gave a standard on primary name. It looks like in this case, the known entries were disambiguated and Thomas Berger left for unknown ones. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:04, 26 June 2021 (EDT)

Fangoria Title Updates

As an alternative to changing each EDITOR title record to the same title and then merging, you can:

  • go to the editor's page
  • select "Show All Titles"
  • select all EDITOR records from the same year
  • merge them

This means you only need to submit one title edit & then merge the rest. It cuts down the number of steps. Though with some editors that have many other records on their page, it's not always convenient. If you prefer making the individual edits, that is fine. Just wanted to give you the option if you were not aware of it. Let me know if you have questions. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:13, 24 July 2021 (EDT)

But I have to delete the month of publication, too. Can't I only do that individually?--Rosab618 12:30, 27 July 2021 (EDT)
When you edit the one to change the title, edit the date there as well. Then on the merge, make sure you select the 00-00 one (it will not be the default if there is a non 00-00 there) :) Annie 17:58, 27 July 2021 (EDT)
Oops. I missed that important step. Thanks, both.--Rosab618 19:49, 27 July 2021 (EDT)

King of Souls


Just a quick reminder that Introduction essays called "Introduction" need to have the name of the publication added to them. I fixed it here and while I was there, I used |1 and |2 as page numbers to ensure that the Introduction always shows up before the story on the list.

One more small thing: There are 16 Amazon sites out there and the data they hold is often different, especially for non-ISBN books. So using Amazon.com or Amazon USA or Amazon US instead of just Amazon in the notes when you mean the US site is usually helpful. :) Annie 17:42, 23 September 2021 (EDT)

Adding two items on the same page

When you have two items (reviews, poems and so on) on the same page, you can ensure that they stay sorted by using a piped number (so instead of 62 on both lines, put 62|62.1 on the first and 62|62.2 on the second - we show the number before the pipe but sort based on the number after the pipe; if there is no pipe, we use the number for both showing and sorting). Thanks for adding our missing reviews! Annie 00:38, 28 September 2021 (EDT)

Dracula link review sub

HI! Your authors don't match[5] , do you have the right book? Or am I missing something? Thanks!Kraang 21:11, 3 October 2021 (EDT)

Plus the Review should go to the story, not the chapbook Annie 21:33, 3 October 2021 (EDT)
Hi, Kraang. Thanks for approving my recent edits so quickly. The book I linked to is the play Dracula, by Balderston and Deane. The variant I linked to is edited and annotated by David J. Skal, whom that issue of Fangoria credits the book to. I'm not sure if Skal should be credited as an author on that variant, not just in the note.--Rosab618 22:15, 3 October 2021 (EDT)
I'll take the hold off and let another Mod handle this. I've been away for awhile and not as familiar with this area as others.Kraang 22:34, 3 October 2021 (EDT)

Cemetery Dance, Fall 1993

Hi, I found here Your submission of the review "Werewolf: The Apocalypse". I'd like to know what the review is about, because I couldn't find a book of that title. Or is it about the series Werewolf: The Apocalypse or about the role-playing game? Can You give me a hint? --Zapp 16:03, 4 October 2021 (EDT)

Hi! Thanks for asking. Werewolf: The Apocalypse is a roleplaying gamebook in the series of the same name. I just submitted it. Now I'll add Mage: The Ascension, which is about sorcerers.--Rosab618 17:45, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
Hold on a second here. If it is "a roleplaying gamebook" and does not contain any fiction, it is NOT eligible to be added here (unless written by someone above the threshold) and the review needs to be changed to an essay. Annie 18:25, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
It does contain fiction. The Cemetery Dance reviewer says, "Even as reading material (rather than as a role-playing game), the games are worth the read, just for the interesting histories presented." They're interactive stories, like Dungeons & Dragons or Choose Your Own Adventure.--Rosab618 20:52, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
If they are game scenarios/guides, they are specifically excluded: "Games, game guides and game paraphernalia -- but works of fiction based on games are included". The "even as reading material" line implies to me that these are indeed guides... which will exclude them. Technically every movie and every game is fiction - but it is not our kind of fiction... I'll let someone else decide on your entries but I do not think they are in unless there are real stories in there and not just game scenarios/guides. Annie 21:02, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
Oh, I'm sorry. I think that would also disqualify Vampire: The Masquerade, which was already in the db. Probably other books in the series as well.--Rosab618 21:17, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
No worries. That is why I am asking what exactly is in there - it is a thin line sometimes and some of them have real fiction in the world of the game (those we want). I'd rather opt on the side of inclusion if you believe that there is actual fiction as we define it. So up to you now that I pointed out what is worrying me - you are in a better position than me to see what applies in this case. :) Annie 21:31, 4 October 2021 (EDT)
Thank you for clarifying that. --Zapp 13:24, 5 October 2021 (EDT)

Your Interzone updates

This one - is that how they are credited inside of the magazine? This one - why?

When you are doing this kind of changes, writing moderator notes explaining why you are doing what you are doing is mandatory. As they are now, these submissions should be rejected - you had not verified either of these magazines and you are changing the contents of verified publications with NO sources and NO explanations. So this is just a courtesy check to get the source and explanation for these instead of outright rejecting them. Thanks! Annie 14:13, 8 October 2021 (EDT)

Hi, Annie. For #45, Red Thirst and Deathwing are credited to D. Pringle (and Neil Jones, in the latter's case) in the reviews. I think this is because David Pringle was an Interzone editor, so Interzone already knew him and called him by his initial instead of his first name. (I don't know why they would review books by one of their own editors.) Since he's credited only as David Pringle on all editions of the books, I just decided to credit the books in the reviews to that name, rather than create a variant name.
Ah, I see. See the help page on this. Using the canonical is ok in this case but we MUST add a note explaining the difference and what is actually credited. I will approve this one and add a note. Next time you do something like that do not forget to add the note AND a moderator note explaining exactly what you explained here so the handling moderator knows what happened (and the PVs can see it as well to see what did happen). Annie 17:53, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
And done - see the update. Something like this is what I am looking for when this kind of updates come in. Hope this makes sense. Annie 17:56, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
For #46, the deleted essays are actually collections of reviews. The person who first added the contents of these magazines entered reviews by some authors only as reviews, not putting them in essay form; and added collections of reviews by other authors (usually Wendy Bradley and Ken Brown) as "essays", not saying which books were reviewed. Since I'm adding all the reviews, I thought I should delete the book-review essays, so to remain consistent.
The way we handle grouped reviews is often to have the "group" as an essay (especially when it has a separate name or anything inside of it besides the straight reviews) and then adding the reviews after that. That way we have the essay to put into a series (if we want to) or to carry the non-review pieces. And you have the reviews under it. See this one for an example - the essay leads the group of reviews. If you are looking at something similar, I'd rather keep the essays in. What do you think? :) Annie 17:53, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
I hope this makes sense. It's difficult to explain. My source is the scanned magazines on archive.org.--Rosab618 17:44, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
Use the moderator notes to tell us the sources in such cases :) Annie 17:53, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
Okay, from now on I'll keep the titles of grouped reviews, add missing essay titles, and add missing reviews. Thanks for the assistance.--Rosab618 18:07, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
Anytime. Just play it by the ear - I would rather over-record than under-record in such cases - other editors can feel differently. It all evens out at the end usually. And thanks for working on the old Locus (I think I saw you doing some work on some) and Interzone issues! (she said glancing at the pile of new ones she probably should get around to adding) :) Annie 18:10, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
I wish I had access to Loci. Unfortunately I don't (they aren't in the Internet Archive). Must be someone else. Good luck with the IZs!--Rosab618 20:43, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
Or my brain has a case of the Fridays and the ones I saw were IZs :) Annie 21:09, 8 October 2021 (EDT)

The numbering

If there are more than 9 items on the same page, you need double digits after the dot for ALL numbers. So 65|65.01, 65|65.09, 65|65.10 and so on. I fixed this one. If you ever have more than 99 items on the same page, you will need to go 65|65.001 and so on. :) Annie 02:09, 14 October 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the tip.--Rosab618 21:11, 15 October 2021 (EDT)

HTML in titles

Even if a magazine uses special formatting (italics, bold and so on), we do not use HTML in the titles themselves. You can add a note in the record once created or in the publication note explaining the formatting but our titles are always naked (and do not substitute with _ or " instead). The main reason for this is the search. So... naked titles please. :) See the Fonts section for more details.

I fixed them here and here. Thanks! Annie 17:41, 15 October 2021 (EDT)

Sorry, thank you. I'll remember.--Rosab618 01:02, 19 October 2021 (EDT)

The Odd Lot: The Selected Works of Albert J. Manachino

When you say "Data from Worldcat and Ebay.com", the OCLC/WorldCat ID needs to be added to the External IDs and the ebay link needs to be in the moderator notes. Otherwise you are asking the moderators to do the same research you did... So for this one: OCLC is easy but I need a link for the ebay record that gave you the titles and page numbers. I will approve and edit once you get me the link but please include these next time. :) Annie 08:26, 20 October 2021 (EDT)

Sorry. Here's the link: https://www.ebay.com/itm/351174145359?_ul=CL&nma=true&si=TwbQDC%252BNSvEQcs7QqytCFTgYe1c%253D&orig_cvip=true&nordt=true&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2557--Rosab618 10:59, 20 October 2021 (EDT)
Approved. Edited. Stories merged where they matched exactly. The result is here. And no worries - just make sure that if you mention an online source for anything, we have a link/ID for it :) Annie 15:03, 20 October 2021 (EDT)


When adding links to the Notes, the address in the href section should always be in "". See how I fixed it here. :) Annie 02:55, 23 October 2021 (EDT)

Thanks, sorry…why is that?--Rosab618 12:32, 23 October 2021 (EDT)
Technically because that is the correct way to use it. Some browsers are ok with both ways, some can throw a fit without the quotes. So we make sure our html is correct for everyone. Annie 16:07, 23 October 2021 (EDT)

Amazing Stories Quarterly (Reissue), Fall 1949

What is the source for this cover art credit? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:39, 24 October 2021 (EDT)

It's the same as this. I'll variant them when my above edit is approved.--Rosab618 11:47, 24 October 2021 (EDT)
When you are using a source that is not the publication itself, you need to add a source statement in the notes field. Please see the addition I made to Amazing Stories Quarterly (Reissue), Fall 1949. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:28, 24 October 2021 (EDT)

Night of the Living Dead: A 25th Anniversary Tribute

A few small things:

  • "with" is not capitalized unless it is the first work in a title/subtitle
  • Interior art naming - the first in the sequence does not get [1] :) That one used to trip me a lot.

The result is here. Thanks for adding the contents! Annie 00:18, 17 November 2021 (EST)

Starlog, March 1981

Question about the two interior arts that are covers here. Are they named like that or did you come up with the title. If the latter, we do "Book name (cover)" as a policy :) Annie 00:19, 17 November 2021 (EST)

And is "Self portrait of the artist doing a self portrait of the artist" the title or a caption? If a caption, it will need quotes. If it is the title, we will need to normalize for case. Let me know (or submit an update). Thanks! Annie 00:20, 17 November 2021 (EST)
Thanks for the approval! I submitted updates.--Rosab618 01:54, 17 November 2021 (EST)

You Better Come Home with Me

Hi, one would think that it's unlikely that this really a novel — looking at the page count: even at 300 words per page (which seems not very likely for a text aimed at adults, and quite unlikely for a juvenile) this would well be under the threshold of 40,000 words. So it seems more likely that it's a CHAPBOOK containing a novella. Could you please take a closer look? Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 05:13, 1 December 2021 (EST)

With no response I have posted a similar problem at the Moderator's Noticeboard. The outcome may effect your verified publication, so you might want to take a look there. Christian Stonecreek 07:45, 2 December 2021 (EST)

Sorry. The book probably is a chapbook by your standards.
What's Alain's problem? What jerky behavior. Sorry you had to deal with that.--Rosab618 13:49, 2 December 2021 (EST)
Thanks for your kind words! Sometimes we have editors with a grumpy behavior, one learns to deal with it, I guess. I'll update the publications & titles accordingly. Thanks for your input, Christian Stonecreek 01:18, 4 December 2021 (EST)
Of course. By the way, do you know if there's a problem with the issue of Future I submitted? It's been there for over a week now.--Rosab618 02:56, 4 December 2021 (EST)
I have posted a question at the Moderator's Noticeboard. Christian Stonecreek 04:57, 4 December 2021 (EST)
It was trying to hide but was finally spotted and approved. :) Annie 05:34, 4 December 2021 (EST)

Future, May 1978

About the review for "Colonies in Space: The Next Giant Step" here: the title sounds like non-fiction which is not related to speculative fiction. Or is it a book about fiction actually? Thanks! Annie 19:03, 6 December 2021 (EST)

Bone Ballet

When you have a magazine/anthology/collection where we have only partial contents, add the incomplete template. When these have no contents at all, they show up on a report. But as soon as you add 1 story, they disappear from it. At this point, there is no way to track down which of them need more work - so we created the template. That way we have a list of the ones which we know require more research/work. See how I did it here. Annie 19:06, 6 December 2021 (EST)

Got it, Annie. I added it to Masque of the Small-Town Oddball, too. Thanks.--Rosab618 13:39, 7 December 2021 (EST)

Sin Girls Variant Title Submission

Hi. Marlene Longman is a recognized alternate name of Marion Zimmer Bradley, your edit[6] would add Robert Silverberg to the list. Just checking. Thanks.Kraang 09:55, 25 December 2021 (EST)

Yes, that's right.--Rosab618 11:24, 25 December 2021 (EST)
Can we document somewhere the source for that? While I do not dispute the validity of the pseudonym, we only connect publicly known pseudonyms and we have that pesky "moderator note" field where we can add additional data (or even the proper Notes field on the pseudonym level). Thanks! Annie 11:48, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Please, Annie, just tell me what to do straight out, don't tease. Here's the source: http://greenleaf-classics-books.com/vintage/book/nb1514 I'll add it to the notes field.--Rosab618 12:59, 29 December 2021 (EST)
The best source for Silverberg's pseudonyms (that I have found) is this list at majipoor.com. It includes two "Maureen Longman" novels by Silverberg, Lesbian Love and Sin Girls, both published in 1960.
According to this blog, the blurb was written by Harlan Ellison and read:
  • This is the most powerful novel you will ever read on the subject, written by a woman who is, herself, A TORMENTED LESBIAN!
Much later, Silverberg corrected Ellison: "That blurb is incorrect ... I was the happiest of lesbians" :-) Ahasuerus 13:13, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Ha! But it's Marlene, not Maureen.--Rosab618 14:35, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Sorry, I was not teasing :) Or not trying to anyway. I'd have added the link you added here in the moderator note when you submitted that first variant. That way we have it in the history AND the handling moderator does not need to dig it out. Or I would have fashioned a note in the pseudonym record explaining the source. Think of someone finding our connection in 10 years and wondering why we connected them. Some are obvious - a book being published under both names or every single source connecting them. Others are more subtle and take a long time to connect (this one here is one of those - once you know about it, finding the details are easier but still - having it documented with a link or a note makes it easier. Hope that makes sense. And thanks for finding it! :) Annie 13:37, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Thanks, Annie. Can you tell me how to order unpaginated illustrations? Stonecreek tried to help, but I still don't understand. It's for The Chronicles of Harris Burdick.--Rosab618 18:04, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Let’s take the three between pages 9 and 15. Use the page numbers |9.1, |9.2 and |9.3 (with the | - that’s an ordering pipe so the item gets ordered without showing a number on the screen; I think we talked about ordering reviews on the same page once - same idea but with an empty visual number). That will put them after the story on page 9 but before the story on page 15 and in the order you want them to be. Keep in mind that the sorting is literal - so if you have more than 9 of them in a group, use |9.01 and so on instead. If you are still confused and cannot figure it out, what exactly you do not understand so I can try to explain (intuitive for one person is not the same for another so even if it feels intuitive for me, I know it is different for others sometimes and I am happy to try to explain). Annie 01:22, 30 December 2021 (EST)

Alan Marshall

Regarding this submission and this submission: I assume the Alan Marshall magazine editor is a separate person than the Offut pseudonym. Is that correct? -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:30, 29 December 2021 (EST)

It must be. Should the Offut pseudonym be "Alan Marshall (I)"?--Rosab618 12:49, 29 December 2021 (EST)
Yes, I made the changes. And if the source of the pseudonym could be added as an author note to Alan Marshall (I) that would be good. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:57, 29 December 2021 (EST)

The View from a Distant Star

Hi! You have this as an essay in Future, April 1978, whereas it appears to be an interview. It doesn't take the usual form of question followed by an answer. It is in fact phrased like an essay but in that regard it is not different from the interviews collected for example here. Would you mind changing your verified magazine? Christian Stonecreek 11:26, 16 January 2022 (EST)

Hi, Christian. I'm sorry, I don't think it should be changed. If it were, a whole bunch of other essay-interviews would have to be changed. I only class Q&A interviews as interviews. See http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/ISFDB:Help_desk/archives/archive_34#Definition_of_interview I agree with Nihonjoe.--Rosab618 14:51, 16 January 2022 (EST)
Well, it does have the same form as the interviews in the volume referred to above (and it is not a portrait of Pohl, but cites Pohl's vies on sf. And looking at it, it contains essayistic parts (written by Naha) alternating with citations by Frederik Pohl, so Pohl should be mentioned in the title credit somehow (and INTERVIEW does fit to that). Christian Stonecreek 01:50, 17 January 2022 (EST)
I'm sorry, but I'm not changing it and I don't think you should either.--Rosab618 02:13, 17 January 2022 (EST)

Three-Fisted Tales of "Bob"

I'm confused by [7] and [8]. You are changing the review to an essay. However, you have verified the pub without changing it to non-genre or submitting a deletion. Online reviews of the anthology imply it is speculative fiction and the Library of Congress catalogs it under "Science fiction, American". Can you please clarify your intent? -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:43, 6 March 2022 (EST)

And this is a PVed magazine issue (among others PVed by me). Christian Stonecreek 10:25, 6 March 2022 (EST)

I'm changing the essay to a review, not the other way around. I'm adding the review, and deleting the essay. --Rosab618 13:30, 6 March 2022 (EST)

Sorry, I misread that. I guess I'm just so used to it going the other way. Approved. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:40, 6 March 2022 (EST)
Thank you. --Rosab618 13:44, 6 March 2022 (EST)
I also got carried away / was mislead; thanks for the update! Christian Stonecreek 03:27, 9 March 2022 (EST)

Was kommt nach dem Zukuntsschock?

We cannot variant this like this - either this is an article or an interview; in case of different presentation, we usually follow and repeat the original type but there may be special cases. Please discuss with the PVs of the German one and you as a group decide if this is an interview OR an essay - then change one of these accordingly. Once that is done, I can approve the variant. Thanks! Annie 16:52, 25 March 2022 (EDT)

I know Stonecreek disagrees with me on the definition of an interview.--Rosab618 19:53, 25 March 2022 (EDT)
Then bring it up to the Community Portal and we can determine there if it is an interview or an essay. Annie 13:42, 28 March 2022 (EDT)
Any luck in figuring out what this is? Annie 19:19, 7 April 2022 (EDT)
No. I mean, I believe that it's an essay, others disagree. --Rosab618 20:03, 15 April 2022 (EDT)

The High Couch of Silestra

There are 2 VERY active PVs which carry the books where this title exists. Clear the change with at least one of them please - it may be a typo in the book (in which case we will record as in the book) or it can be a DB typo (in which case I will approve your edit) but you need to clear that with the PVs. On a separate note - this kind of changes should never be submitted without a note to the moderator explaining why you believe this to be the correct title ("have the book", link to something, just a text explaining - but we need justification - otherwise you are asking the handling moderator to do all the leg work you already did to confirm your change. Thanks! Annie 16:56, 25 March 2022 (EDT)

It's a DB typo. Here's a link: https://archive.org/details/fantasticartofbo0000vall/page/22/mode/2up?view=theater--Rosab618 19:47, 25 March 2022 (EDT)
Yes, it's a typo. Silistra in both my copies. Good find! --Willem 15:39, 26 March 2022 (EDT)
Thanks, Willem! There you are, Annie.--Rosab618 20:21, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
Thanks! Annie 14:32, 28 March 2022 (EDT)
It does not matter if there is an online copy of the book (the link should have been in the moderator notes BTW): if there are PVs, we always discuss the change with them even if it looks obvious -- sometimes it is something very small that unearths yet another edition of a book and sometimes there is a reason for something to be added in a specific way. So we always do due diligence when possible. Approved. :) Annie 14:32, 28 March 2022 (EDT)

Self-approver flag set

The self-approver flag has been set on your account. Congratulations! Ahasuerus 13:10, 22 April 2022 (EDT)

Thank you! --Rosab618 13:17, 22 April 2022 (EDT)

Stalker (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1979)

Hey, pal, you're lucky you're even still on ISFDB after hacking my page. As for quality, your terrible job entering all those Fangoria issues months ago wasn't of much quality; many of the interviews weren't supposed to be on here, being non-genre movie-related, some of which I've gotten mods to delete, many of which are still there, and many of the names were either misspelled or not varianted to their parent names. You think because you're self-governing now, after kissing up to the mods, that you're going to leave sarcastic messages on my page? Don't leave any messages that aren't related to one of my edits or answering one of the countless questions I've asked on the boards which haven't been answered; otherwise, go away. --Username 10:30, 26 April 2022 (EDT)

Username, please chill. While this edit by Rosab618 wasn't helpful (please don't do that kind of thing again, Rosab618), the attitude you display on ISFDB, Username, is not helpful. You are abrasive to pretty much everyone here, so it's really not surprising that someone might be abrasive back. This constant sniping back and forth is not helpful or conducive to working together to build the content of the site. If you two can't play nicely with each other, please leave each other alone. Thank you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:00, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
Constant sniping? You know that's not true. I've left him alone since September. As for my last comment on his page, it seems that no one has ever told him that quality matters more than quantity, and submitting a huge number of edits isn't such a great thing if he doesn't pay attention to how good they are. What kind of thing should I not do again? Call him "pal"? --Rosab618 14:22, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
Consider your note in this Community Portal discussion. When Username wrote "I thought 1 of several people on here who I've argued with had worked their way up to running the site and found a way to block me", you responded with "If you meant me, I'm sincerely flattered." This was not helpful just like your "Quality over quantity, pal" comment on his Talk page was not helpful. Please don't make similar comments in the future. Ahasuerus 12:52, 27 April 2022 (EDT)
He's been promising to leave for months now, and I'd say I wish he would, but then he'd probably stay forever just for spite.
It just seems that he gets away with more. --Rosab618 14:22, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
As I wrote on the Community Portal, if you have a complaint about an editor's behavior, please post it on the Moderator Noticeboard. Ahasuerus 12:52, 27 April 2022 (EDT)
Now I'm going to go see what he's done to my beloved Fangoria. Thank you for telling him off. I'm sorry for causing you any stress. --Rosab618 14:22, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
Abrasive I'm fine with; hacking my page I'm not. In my early days here I was spoken to very abrasively by several people when I was still figuring things out, and quickly learned to defend myself; that's always the way things are on public websites. However, if this were a business this guy was working at and he hacked someone he'd probably be fired or worse. The fact that someone who did that was recently approved for self-moderating is really disturbing, but whatever, that's your problem. --Username 15:48, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
Self-approvers are expected to be familiar with and follow the ISFDB data entry rules and policies, e.g. notifying primary verifiers about changed publication records. The majority of moderators who had been working with Rosa618's submissions believed that she had demonstrated the required level of knowledge and self-discipline. If you come across instances where she didn't follow the rules, please post your concerns on the Moderator Noticeboard and they will be reviewed. Ahasuerus 13:00, 27 April 2022 (EDT)
Most of my tens of thousands of edits are just fine; the problem is not entering everything by the unclear and ever-changing ISFDB rules, not that my info is usually wrong. Thousands of those edits are actually correcting old editors' info, so quality obviously is not top priority here. Whether I leave or not isn't up to this guy; he apparently thinks he's in charge here or something. As for his "beloved" Fangoria, if he really loved it so much he would've entered his info more carefully. Honestly, between the site being down several times a day every day for minutes at a time, and the recent discovery by moderators that the site's being pinged by hackers which causes severe slowdown, plus the fact that many productive editors have dropped out due to disputes with other editors or moderators, plus many moderators being very old and/or sick and not able to contribute much anymore, I think you all should be a little more grateful to me that I still contribute so much on a daily basis, for almost 17 months now; some say they're grateful but don't actually do anything to show it. Try actually helping me by answering some of my many questions on the boards instead of nitpicking or advising me on "proper" behavior. --Username 15:48, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
You list a number of very different and mostly unrelated issues. The site slowing down at various points during the day can be due to a spike in activity because of third party robots or it can be due to someone running multiple simultaneous Advanced Searches. Robot activity is not something that we can stop easily: it's been a thorny problem for most internet sites for well over 20 years. The Advanced Search problem is something that I am currently looking into and considering countermeasures at the software level. Neither issue is related to proper submission etiquette, proper inter-editor interaction, avoiding antagonizing other editors, etc. Ahasuerus 13:16, 27 April 2022 (EDT)
A lot of the current editors here enter their info very badly, with many seemingly barely aware of proper spelling/grammar or the English language; those people should be your focus. --Username 15:48, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
We have contributors from many different countries; their command of the English language varies significantly and there isn't much either they or the moderator team can do about it. Moderators are supposed to make sure that Notes are at least understandable -- we have discussed this issue a few times -- but sometimes things slip through the cracks.
That being said, ensuring that disputes between editors do not escalate to the point of personal attacks or otherwise disruptive behavior is a higher priority. Civility is the lubricant that makes successful cooperation possible. We can't avoid disagreements between editors, but we can require that they be kept civil. That's why Policy bans personal attacks. Ahasuerus 14:12, 27 April 2022 (EDT)
Also, Joe didn't "tell me off"; if this guy hadn't left his message on my board Joe wouldn't have had to say anything. --Username 15:48, 26 April 2022 (EDT)
Yes, he did. And who's this "guy" you're talking about? --Rosab618 16:24, 26 April 2022 (EDT)

Review of Thunderbird

Rosa, this edit, trying to link a review of the English translation to the original Arabic, is an error. Since you are a self-approver, I assume you left it in the queue on purpose. Why not add Thunderbird, make it a variant of the Arabic, and link the review to it? John Scifibones 21:28, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

I did now, thanks. --Rosab618 04:02, 5 May 2022 (EDT)

Cover Image Dimensions

I mentioned it this conversation, but I see that you have a lot of oversized images so bringing it to your attention here also. When uploading cover art, the largest dimension should be no more than 600px. This is both for 1) copyright reasons (larger sizes become questionable from a fair use perspective) and 2) storage requirements (larger sizes mean bigger files that drive up storage costs). Please abide by the file size limits. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:16, 16 May 2022 (EDT)

Sorry. I thought any image that was too big would be automatically blocked. --Rosab618 04:08, 18 May 2022 (EDT)

Death and the Serpent

What was the source of the price and date for this edit? Neither are on the pub. When using secondary source (sources that are not the pub), you should be listing the source of the data in the pub notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2022 (EDT)


In this edit, you removed "No date other than year. Source of month unknown." Why? The pub does not have a month in it. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:32, 31 May 2022 (EDT)