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Hello, Qshadow, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Mhhutchins 16:32, 12 December 2010 (UTC)

Adding author data to pseudonyms

We usually don't provide author data for pseudonyms, so I'm holding those submissions that do this for discussion. For example, "J. D. Robb" wasn't born in 1950, but Nora Roberts was. There's a link on the pseudonym page to the canonical author's summary page, where complete author data is provided. Mhhutchins 16:59, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Please see this discussion. Thanks. (One of them was accidentally accepted. I've removed the date.) Mhhutchins 21:12, 11 January 2011 (UTC)
I agree, this seems a reasonable policy. Qshadow 08:33, 12 January 2011 (UTC)

Gillian Rubinstein

I have approved the additional data for Gillian Rubinstein, but I wonder whether her legal name is really "Gillian Margaret Hanson Rubinstein". She was apparently born "Gillian Margaret Hanson" and then changed her last name to "Rubinstein", but do we know if she turned her maiden name into a second middle name? Ahasuerus 22:47, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I must admit that now as you brought my attention to this I am also confused. I saw this and thought this the legal name. But maybe they are not putting there the "legal name" in our definition? Please choose whatever you see as best. Qshadow 08:27, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
After reviewing the "" page that you linked, I think we can follow their lead and leave all middle names as they currently are. It's standard bibliographic practice to list middle names in parentheses if they are not used by the author and the source is pretty solid, so we should fine. Thanks for finding it! Ahasuerus 00:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

ISDB dating

All dates should be in the format YYYY-MM-DD. When the month or day is unknown, complete with zeros. I accepted the submission adding birth and death dates to Rodrigues Ottolengui before realizing you'd left off the -MM-DD. That's why the system automatically gives them as "unknown". Please update when you get the chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:05, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Same situation with Victor Hugo, Frank Richardson Pierce, Jean de La Hire, Restif de La Bretonne, William Mudford, Felix Bodin and Rudolph De Cordova. Mhhutchins 15:07, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
And Lucretia P. Hale, J. E. Grinstead, and Charles De Kay. Also, country standard is USA. I'm accepting the ones that have additional information and rejecting the ones that only add dates (incorrectly). Mhhutchins 15:08, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I will fix it, sorry. Qshadow 15:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Author Edits

I've been working on authors for a couple of years now, and I'm a little bothered by some of your recent author edits. Your deletion of a large number of legal names is especially bothersome. As titled this is used for the author's legal name and for the full reading of the canonical name, if initials are used. In many cases these were entered using Gale's Contemporary Authors, Who's Who, and other well known references. In some cases after reviewing your edit history I can see where your edits are heading, in others not. It would be reassuring to me to have a better idea of your intent.--Rkihara 17:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry, after looking over your entries again it looks like you're cleaning up pseudonym/author relationships.--Rkihara 18:11, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

You do seem to be rushing things a bit though - you confused Kevin David Anderson and Kevin J. Anderson, and Peter Hamilton and Peter F. Hamilton for instance. Please be a little more careful. BLongley 18:13, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
And Al Reynolds and Alastair Reynolds. Please check the dates of the works they've written against the proposed birth date - at least twice you've suggested they wrote stuff before they were born. BLongley 18:19, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
BLongley. I am really sorry. I was a bit tired i guess. Will be much more careful now. Thanks for finding these errors!Qshadow 18:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
No worries - that's why we have moderators. BLongley 18:58, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Rkihara. I always try to move the data from ps to real author. Never do I just delete it (well at least i hope so, I even double checked that no data was lost without moving using previous snapshot of ISFDB). Did you revert any of my edits? Qshadow 18:25, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I haven't reverted any of your edits. It took me a while to figure out what you were doing, since the edit history is in reverse chronological order. After I reviewed the files in the correct order along with the changes it made sense. I should have realized that these were not standalone edits.--Rkihara 00:20, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Fuzzy Matches Project

I've made a few changes to the project page: 1) split it into sections (to avoid conflicts if more than one editor is working on it at the same time), 2) separated the matched pairs for better display, and 3) changed the designated markings and their definitions. This latter change is closer to the reasons why such problems may exist. It's not the names themselves that are the errors, but possible errors in the title records which created those names. This project is really going to clean-up many errors in the db. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I am glad to help, and I have other ideas as well. I saw that you and BLongley jumped on the cleanup work like two wolves :) Thanks, for the help! I am working on double checking that I haven't missed anything and maybe will add a few more suspicious pairs. Qshadow 18:08, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
When you've been around as long as we have, a new project can be quite rejuvenating. BLongley 20:45, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

C. Henry = Henry van Dyke

What is your source that "C. Henry" who had the story "The Ruling Passion" in a 1930 issue of Weird Tales is Henry van Dyke? True, van Dyke had a collection of stories titled The Ruling Passion: Tales of Nature and Human Nature, but no story by that name appears in the collection. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

I found that Henry van Dyke had the same title story, but I still was not sure, so I submitted it for review. I wanted to write a comment for moderator about submission that I am not sure about this edit, but no comments possible there. Is it possible to add comments fields? Qshadow 18:54, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Comments to Mod like this? Mkpseudo.jpg BLongley 21:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
If so, it should be fairly trivial, although adding such to Remove Pseudonym may make the screen rather cluttered. Or are you asking to have permanent notes for the reason stored in the database? BLongley 21:46, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Blongley, this solution would be perfect. I do not need it to be permanent notes. For permanent notes there is the Bio page that I will use. Thanks, Qshadow 22:16, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
OK, change submitted for Ahasuerus to look at when he returns from his travels. BLongley 23:11, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
By the way, don't be afraid to request enhancements at our Sourceforge page. We'd rather know where we could improve, even if we haven't got the resources to do it just yet. But as you can see, we've squashed 75% of the bugs and implemented almost a third of the Feature Requests. BLongley 23:41, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Thanks, I will. Qshadow 00:38, 21 August 2011 (UTC)
It's probably better to inquire on the Help Desk before submitting when you're not sure about pseudonyms. We've added a "Note to the Moderator" field in many submissions, but haven't made one yet for this type (making pseudonyms.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:39, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
No problem, will use the Help Desk if it is easier for you. Qshadow 19:43, 20 August 2011 (UTC)
Better, not easier. If a "Note to the Moderator" field is added to this type of submission, it should be used the same as other types: to provide the moderator with additional information that will guide them to approve the submission. If you have doubts, questions or concerns about the pseudonym, don't make a submission. Make an inquiry at the Help Desk. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:50, 20 August 2011 (UTC)


You asked "no longer exists, or is it future Schema?" - I believe it exists still, but isn't included in the public downloads for security reasons. (We don't want people to be able to pose as other users do we?) BLongley 18:03, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Gilles Thomas/Julia Verlanger

Hello, I've put on hold your submissions which intended to make Verlanger a pseudonym of Thomas as, it seems to me that the Verlanger name (of Elaine Taieb) is more the canonical one, cf. the Julia Verlanger Price here. What do you think ? Hauck 18:51, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Probably you are right, but my change only made variant titles, so Julia Verlanger was marked as PS of Gilles Thomas, before me. Regards, Qshadow 19:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Everything is corrected now. Hauck 20:31, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Night of the Big Fire

I've rejected the submission making this title by John E. Muller into a variant of a collaborative novel by three of the authors who are known to have used the housename "John E. Muller". According to The Science Fiction Encyclopedia it was written by John S. Glasby alone. I've made it into a variant by him. Mhhutchins 21:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, i was not sure about this one and waited to see if it gets approved. Next time i see multiple authors, i will ask in the help desk first. Qshadow 21:19, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

"A Spot on the Sun" by Joseph Mois

What is your source that attributes this title to Erroll Collins? According to the SFE, "Some sources list all the other authors of the latter [Fantastic Science Thriller pocketbook] series – William Causett, Clyde Marfax, Joseph Mois and Simon Querry – as Redknap [Erroll Collins] pseudonyms; from stylistic evidence this seems unlikely. [JC/SH]". Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:06, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I think there is a misunderstand of my edits, I am not changing any Author-Pseudonym relationships, and I am not making any new pseudonyms, if you look at 137808 (Joseph Mois), you will see that he is already marked as a pseudonym of "Erroll Collins", the only thing i do now is making the titles (e.g. under Joseph Mois) match this information, of course i assume that this information is correct (since it is already in ISFDB). Qshadow 21:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh, i just though, maybe you mean that "Joseph Mois" is a REAL person, and also was used as a pseudonym of Erroll Collins? Qshadow 21:21, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
No. All I'm asking for is the source of the data that warranted your submission to make Erroll Collins the author of "A Spot on the Sun." If it was only because there's an established pseudonym between Collins and "Mois", I have to reiterate: just because a pseudonym relationship has been created between two authors doesn't mean that all of the work published under the pseudonym was published by that author. As I state above, "Joseph Mois" is a housename (which SFE corroborates), but there is no evidence that any particular work published as by "Mois" was written by Collins. We have to be careful when attributing work originally published under a housename. As it appears that your only source for the submission was the ISFDB itself, I'll reject the submission. If research provides some other source for the author credit, we can always create a variant. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:39, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Got it, I will check in the SFE (I didn't know they already went online). Regards, Qshadow 10:12, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Series "281"

Hi, I assume you ment to enter "Dying Earth" which in the data base is numbered 281 so I re-entered the correct series name.Kraang 00:39, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Yes, Thanks! Qshadow 15:15, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

The Discovery of a World in the Moone

I've accepted the submission to add this record to the db, but made some changes. I'm assuming you're not working from the 1638 first edition. The most important thing to remember is that you should always give the source for your data in the record's Note field (not, BTW, the "Note to Moderator" field.) I added a publisher based on the OCLC record which I sourced. (This is difficult for such an early publication because most books weren't "published". They were privately printed.) I also changed the type of publication from NONGENRE to NONFICTION. (The former type is for nongenre novels by genre writers.) If you have any further questions about this title, ask them here. If you have questions about other titles, it's best to ask on the Help page before making a submission. Thanks for your contribution. Mhhutchins 15:45, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for explanation, it helps a lot. BTW, why do we have always add a publication? Can I just add a title with it's creation date and that's it? Qshadow 16:11, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, but it involves a work-around, and you have to be very careful about removing the extraneous data that this method involves. So here goes:
  1. Click on "Add New Omnibus" link under the Editing Tools menu.
  2. In the Metadata section, make up a title and an author. I would suggest "Missing Anatomy of Wonder Titles" as the title and your user name as the author. By using your user name you leave a trail which you will need for clean-up. Give today's date in the date field. In the Note field, add an explanatory note about what you're doing with this record. In the Note to Moderator field, explain to the moderator what you're doing.
  3. Go down to the Contents section. Leave the page field blank. Add data to the title, date, and author fields. You can change the type, if needed, from the default NOVEL, to COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, etc. Continue this for each work which you wish to add to the database.
  4. Submit.
After this has been accepted, there will be title records for each of the works. The only pub record will be the false one you just created (that will have to be deleted. See the next step.) It would be nice to go back to each title record to add a note about the source of the title (Anatomy of Wonder: Fifth Edition) and ask users to add publications to complete the record.
Clean-up: Once you've finished adding titles to the pub record, you will have to delete both the pub record, and its title record. Please ask if you need further assistance. Mhhutchins 19:51, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Perfect! this is just what I needed, an easy way to add all the titles. I do not care much for publication records and it is a big frustration to me to add all publication details, so I end up not doing anything at all. Now I have a solution. I will try to add chapter 1 titles today and write all my sources and notes to moderator. Qshadow 20:30, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Missing Anatomy of Wonder Titles

At your request, I started adding the titles, and didn't stop until I'd included all of those in the first two chapters as shown on the project page. I suppose we were working at the same time. So I rejected the submission you made as it is now duplicate. Sorry. Mhhutchins 19:44, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem, actually I am really happy that you added them by yourself! I have almost gone crazy from every foreign or old title and the multiple of variants each has... Qshadow 20:05, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
As I mentioned on the Help page, there's no need to worry about the variants and translations. That only matters when someone starts adding publications. Unless I'm mistaken, the purpose of your project is to enter the titles as they are given in Anatomy of Wonder. Mhhutchins 21:12, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
Not exactly, the purpose of my project is to enter the titles that are given in Anatomy of Wonder, while fixing any mistakes or typo errors. And there were errors and typos. Qshadow 11:18, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I've noticed you're making many submissions to correct errors based on Barron's listing. It would be better to do the research to correct Barron's errors before listing them on the projects page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:14, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
I didn't expect them to be entered completely as is. Next time I will specify if the entries are corrected and fixed or if they are "raw data" from the book. Actually next time will come very soon, I already have a "raw data" list of missing titles from another book: "The History of Science Fiction" by Adam Roberts (2005). Qshadow 19:26, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Triple Fugue

I've added a publication record to this title, learning in the process that it's a collection. Before adding the contents I want to make sure that they're spec-fic. Does Barron specify any particular story or if all of the stories are spec-fic? (I only have the first two editions of Anatomy of Wonder). Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 22:53, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

He says: "The great majority of the serious futuristic fantasies that did creep into print in Britain during the 1920s were remarkable for their pessimism,... Unprecedentely extreme disenchantment and cynicism were mapped by Osbert Sitwell's "Triple Fugue" (1924), Shaw Desmond's Ragnarok (1926), (Barron gives more examples here).
The triple dot means unimportant text or more examples Qshadow 18:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

J. G. B******

I have to reject your submission to make this a pseudonym of J. G. Ballard. The first thing to try when tyou see an empty bibliography page, is "show all titles" under editing tools. There you will see that the name was used once by John Sladek. Good find by the way, the pseudonym should have been made long ago. Thanks! --Willem H. 20:30, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Asimov's "Question"

I've created a title record for this story based on the Wikipedia article. Please remember that the moderator is unable to respond to questions asked in a submission. You must post them on either the Help Desk or the Moderator Noticeboard. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:13, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Actually I am not expecting any answer, it is just a comment to let you know that I am not 100% sure about my submission. (Actually I have already submitted another submission also with "unsure" comment). Qshadow 19:19, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Please don't make submissions unless you're 100% sure that it's a valid publication. If you're not sure, ask for help on the wiki. Entering it as a novel publication wasn't the correct procedure. We are very willing and able to help you, but please ask before you make a submission. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:27, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Saroyan's Tracy's Tiger

Would you consider this a fantasy? I've never it, but my research shows that the "tiger" may be either symbolic or a psychological construct. Mhhutchins 19:21, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Well, actually I am trying to add the best English titles (by score) from the Russian SF DB called and on this DB people have categorized this as "Magic realism". Also "Jenny Villiers" is a "Ghost Story" by wiki and by Fantlab. and it looks like it is in one of our genres. Qshadow 19:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
And sorry to answer your question, the tiger was only psychological construct in the beginning but later others started seeing him too. Qshadow 19:32, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Them I'm confused. If the tiger was real then it wouldn't be a fantasy? I'll accept it, but you'll have to go back and add your data source to the Note field (NOT the Note to Moderator field). It is mandatory that an editor provide the source for their data in the record if they're not working from the actual book. And it must be a reliable secondary source. I'll do more research about Jenny Villiers. And I have to emphasize again, that if you have any concerns, whether they're questions or not, bring them up on the wiki before making a submission. It's disheartening to see editors go through the effort and then for it to be wasted. Mhhutchins 19:36, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Record is here. Please add your data source to the Note field. Also, you mistakenly added a content record to the submission. You shouldn't do this for NOVEL-type records because the system automatically creates a NOVEL content record. You'll have to remove the duplicate content from the publication record. Ask if you're not sure how to do this. Mhhutchins 19:38, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
I have added a Note, and removed one of the two titles in the content, shoud i remove the other one too? Qshadow 19:49, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
No. As I said above "remove the duplicate". And that can only be done by using the "Remove Titles" function (under the Editing Tools menu). Try again. Mhhutchins 19:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your patience, you have a lot of it ;) I have tried again, but this time I had two options to remove: Container title and regular title, I chose "regular" since on container was a comment "exercise caution".
That was the right one. Everything looks fine now. Thank you. Mhhutchins 20:22, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Thnaks, but something is still wrong with this title, we still have two of it under William Saroyan. Qshadow 20:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

I've re-created the submission to add Jenny Villiers. (The Kirkus review made it clear that it was a fantasy.) Please look at the record to see how I sourced the data. This should be how you should source any future submissions for books which you don't have at hand. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:52, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Something wrong with the OCLC number and link that you put there, maybe it should be 8306303. Qshadow 20:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
You're correct. I was multi-tasking, working on another editor's submission and had two tabs open to OCLC, and then mistakenly copied the wrong link. Thanks for finding it. This only goes to show we're all capable of making mistakes! Mhhutchins 20:25, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Helpful Hint: the best way to get a link to an OCLC record is to click on the "Permalink" box in the upper right hand corner of the record. This gives you a simpler link. For example the link you provided above can be reached just as good here: Hope this helps when sourcing OCLC for any future records. Mhhutchins 20:28, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Thnaks, good one. Please see my another comment above about a problem with double Tiger title. Qshadow 20:33, 18 January 2013 (UTC)


I'm holding the submission to change the author's name from "William Gass" to "William H. Gass". Accepting this submission will change all publications under the original name. Are you certain that the one title was published as by "William H. Gass"? The OCLC record gives it as "William Gass". Mhhutchins 20:25, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

The contents page on the publisher's website also confirms the credit as "William Gass". I'll reject the submission to change the canonical name, but update the author data to add the legal name. Mhhutchins 16:19, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Amazon also states him (and all his books) as by William H. Gass maybe it's a ps? Qshadow 19:12, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Most of his work is published as by William H. Gass (I've read and immensely enjoyed his novel Omensetter's Luck). The problem with your submission was that you were not just changing his canonical name, but you were also changing the publication credit. If you'd made that title record into a variant by "William H. Gass" and made that name into the canonical name, I would have accepted the submissions. Mhhutchins 21:03, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I see now. Qshadow 21:55, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Michael Shea

What is the source for the change of Michael Shea's year of birth? The linked Wikipedia article inconsistently gives both 1943 and 1946. Mhhutchins 20:27, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I suggest to align to majority of sources:
On the other hand, I do not have any source showing 1946 exept in wiki and it states (inconsistent). Do you have some link to support 1946? Qshadow 11:01, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
Since there is nothing definitive, I'll accept the submission to change the date. I've created a bio comments page to add these links. In the future, if you find inconsistent sources, it would be a good idea to do the same or post sources on the existing bio page. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:17, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

"Невидимый свет" and Professor Wagner's Inventions

I accepted your submission to place Невидимый свет into Professor Wagner's Inventions, but what you supplied for the "Series Num" appeared to be the ISFDB's ID for the series (24476), not its place in the series. The "Series Num" should be the latter -- 1 if it is first, 2 if it is second, and so on. See Help:Screen:EditTitle#SeriesNum for a little bit of help. 24476 seemed a certain mistake, so I removed it. From the information on, it appears we may have the whole series recorded, and you could number them 1-9 if you wanted to. --MartyD 11:13, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Got it, thanks, MartyD! Qshadow 12:35, 10 March 2013 (UTC)


What is the basis for the series numbering given for this title? Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:35, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Well, Fantlab states that it comes before everything that was in this series at the moment of adding the title so I was just trying to move it up before everything. later I noticed that "The Edge of the Knife" is also missing and should be added (but I can't give him #1 - it's taken), so I decided to fix the indexes for all of them on the next pass. Can I do it? The only source is fantlab order. Qshadow 19:40, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
We ordinarily don't place short stories into series numbering unless there is a definite authorized order from a reliable source. Unlike novels, this is almost impossible to do. If the numbering is based solely on publication date, then it's not necessary, because the ISFDB software sorts chronologically for display. What is the source of the fantlab data? Mhhutchins 20:29, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Usually (if the data is not publicaly available) it's their own research (like people who read the stories tell them in what order they should be placed, they have a huge active reading community). I am now one of the admins there, and I am trying to match all the missing series between ISFDB and fantlab. I have 183 titles in ISFDB that are not in series but should be according to Fantlab. Qshadow 20:36, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I would hope that you could find an authorized source, perhaps on the author's official website (if there is one). Mhhutchins 20:48, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I will see if I can find something. Qshadow 20:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
What is the source for this story being part of the series? The URL you gave in the "Note to Moderator" is a listing for a collection on Amazon, where there's a publisher's description which is not particularly reliable. If "The Mercenaries" were part of this history, wouldn't it have been included in any of the books that collects the Federation stories? Mhhutchins 20:39, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I also see it's not on the fantlab list for the series, which is for the Terro-Human series, not just the Federation series. How are you going to reconcile the two when the Federation and Fuzzy series are handled as subseries of the Terro-Human series in the ISFDB? Mhhutchins 20:42, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
Yes, it is not on Fantlab, and my only source is editor description and I thought it's pretty reliable. Let's not add it in such case. I have no idea yet how to solve the misalignment between hierarchy of Fantlab and ISFDB for all the other titles, what do you suggest? Qshadow 20:52, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
I suggest to not number the short stories. As I said above, it's an almost impossible task to sort the display of SHORTFICTION in a series. Without an official listing (ordered by the author), I personally wouldn't trust such a numbered list. Mhhutchins 22:02, 11 March 2013 (UTC)
BTW, you can always cancel a submission without having to wait for a moderator to reject it. Mhhutchins 22:10, 11 March 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing data

Please give the source of your data in the "Note" field, not the "Note to the Moderator" field which is a temporary field used to provide information to the moderator concerning the submission (not the publication), and disappears the moment the submission is accepted. Otherwise the publication record remains unsourced and may very well be considered unreliable. Mhhutchins 15:28, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Yes, clear. Qshadow 17:43, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Deathworld 5 and 7

Thanks for submitting Deathworld 5 and 7! I have approved the submissions and made the following changes:

  • Removed duplicate novel titles for the submitted books. There is no need to enter a separate novel title in the Additional Content section since a New Novel submission will create it automatically. The Additional Content section is reserved for introductions, afterwords, interior art, etc.
  • We have Fantlab's permission to link to their site, so I have added links to their images.

Also, could you please clarify how these books' titles appear on their respective title pages? I see that Fantlab lists "Deathworld 5: Deathworld vs. Filibusters" as an alternative (?) title of Deathworld 5, but do you happen to know whether this designation appears on the title page or on the copyright page? We generally go by the title page rather than the copyright page. Ditto Deathworld 7. TIA! Ahasuerus 20:38, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

Thanks, for corrections! The title "Deathworld 5: Deathworld vs. Filibusters" that you see on fantlab is not an "alternative" title. it is called filled in a "foreign title" field. I can only see the scanned book cover and there is no english title at all. But i found this source: Harry Harrison: An Annotated Bibliography, and it looks like it should only be "Deathworld vs. Filibusters" without the "Deathworld 5" prefix. Same is for Deathworld 7. Here is the link: Deathworld, Regards, Qshadow 21:22, 6 July 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for clarifying the nature of the Fantlab title! As far as the information available via go (and FYI, links to country-specific versions of Google Books may be unavailable when accessed from other countries), the data is substantially similar to what's available on Harrison's official Web site. I wonder if the English titles are merely something that Harrison and his bibliographers used to describe the books rather than what appears on the respective title pages? Hm, now that I am thinking about it, I seem to recall that the last time I looked into this issue I discovered that the English titles were only found on the books' copyright pages, but I can't remember where I found this information... Ahasuerus 06:14, 7 July 2013 (UTC)

The Rose

I have rejected your change of The Rose to make it a novel instead of a novella. While the magazine might state "Full length novel", 75 pages is consistent with the novella length and it was nominated for a Retro Hugo Award as a novella. Given the large number of verifications as a novella, such a change requires larger discussion. Please bring this topic up at the ISFDB:Community Portal and notify the verifiers if you wish to pursue this change. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:22, 16 November 2013 (UTC)

Clarke's "Venture to the Moon"

For ISFDB purposes, a COLLECTION is a publication (book) which contains multiple works of fiction by a single author. Venture to the Moon is a work of fiction (not a publication), so it would not qualify as a COLLECTION (a publication). The note field of the title record explains that it's a group title for several shorter pieces of fiction. If we changed it to a COLLECTION, then its type would conflict with any publications in which it appears which is also typed as a COLLECTION. (A COLLECTION can not contain a COLLECTION.) Unfortunately, the software wasn't designed with a GROUP TITLE type (which is relatively rare), so we enter them under the SHORTFICTION type and have to explain it in the notes. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:11, 29 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, I thought it is an error. I am going over possible errors in ISFDB by comparing ISFDB database to database and if there is a difference fixing here or there. I have noticed that the ISFDB types are not very clearly defined (at least for me), for example the COLLECTION type is vague. How do you decide if the title is a COLLECTION or a Novel? I have this titles marked as NOVEL on Fantlab but here they are a COLLECTION:
23788	Clifford D. Simak	City
17332	Isaac Asimov	Foundation
17331	Isaac Asimov	Foundation and Empire
17095	Isaac Asimov	Second Foundation
6587	Poul Anderson	The Shield of Time
25817	James E. Gunn	The Immortals
2035	Jack Vance	Rhialto the Marvellous
1412	Keith Roberts	Pavane
21571	Ray Bradbury	The Martian Chronicles
36813	Ursula K. Le Guin	Four Ways to Forgiveness
2490	Roger Zelazny	Dilvish, the Damned
2165	Stephen King	The Gunslinger
11855	Robert Silverberg	Majipoor Chronicles
3968	David Gemmell	The First Chronicles of Druss the Legend
13452	Lois McMaster Bujold	Borders of Infinity
38711	Mike Resnick	Kirinyaga
1466	Michael Shea	Nifft the Lean
2481	Thomas M. Disch	334
Maybe you have some help page that explains this better than here:
It does not explain clearly how to differentiate between NOVEL and COLLECTION when the stories are connected by plot (see examples above).
I would expect that if the stories are connected by plot this should be a novel (of course there is a problem of distinguishing it from SERIES). Am I missing some help page? Regards, Qshadow 17:06, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
A book containing individual stories, some of which have usually been previously published, and without significant revisions, is considered a COLLECTION, regardless of whether these stories share the same setting, characters, or create a continuous plot. One of the foremost characteristics of a COLLECTION is that there is a table of contents and there title pages for each of the stories. If these stories have been revised, and restructured (with or without new material), and there are no table of contents or title pages for the stories, that would be a fix-up which we type as a NOVEL. Other databases may have different ways to type publications, and it is not incumbent by us or them to conform to each other's standards. Maybe the definitions of NOVEL and COLLECTION on our help pages aren't as clear as they should be, but cases like these titles blur the lines, and are taken on a case-by-case basis. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:30, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I almost got the idea of what is a COLLECTION until you got to a fix-up explanation, as you are saying (and I feel the same) fix-up should be defined as a NOVEL. But if we take the first example in my list - "City", which is a fix-up it is still entered as a COLLECTION. Is this a mistake that I should be looking for and fixing, or is there some other some other rule for fix-ups? Evidently even in the link that you gave just now "City" is mentioned as an example of Fix-up NOVEL. Qshadow 20:58, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
City is a collection of related stories. The note in the title record is incorrect. There's no such thing as a fix-up collection, fix-ups can only be novels. The stories which appear in City were not revised and are exactly as they were first published in Astounding magazine. New material was written to connect the stories, much in the same way as this collection, but neither should be considered a novel. Consider this through-line: 1) a collection of unrelated stories > 2) a collection of related stories > 3) related stories which are been revised to create a novel (fix-up) > 4) a novel. Occasionally, there will be publications that fall between the cracks and each will have to be handled on a case-by-case basis. I would consider City and Catacomb Years falling between 2 and 3, but leaning more towards 2. If the stories had been revised, they would have leaned toward 3. It is impractical to create a type for works which fall between COLLECTION and NOVEL. It would just be confusing to users. We try our best to type works as published, but publishers can screw up, too. They've often labeled collections as novels (because novels sell more than collections) and we have to contradict their marketing label based on our own standards. There have been many discussions over the years over certain titles which fall between the cracks. I imagine there will be plenty more. If you feel strongly about any particular title, please bring it up on a community page. It helps your case if you have read the book in question. Hope this answers your concerns. If not, you can get other opinions by posting on one of the community pages. Mhhutchins 21:39, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
About the link to the Wikipedia page and its list of fix-up titles: I can't emphasize too much that ISFDB standards don't necessarily have to follow another person's standards. And I say "person" because, most likely, it was a single person who added City to that list on Wikipedia. Yes, we try to stay consistent within our own standards, but there will be works that are not as clear-cut as others which require a group consensus. You just happened to choose one of those works. Mhhutchins 21:45, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Mhhutchins, your explanation is very helpful especially the 1 >4 cases, maybe you can add them to the help page? Or do you think adding such definition will restart some arguing on the exact definition? Qshadow 21:57, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
Indeed I do. Mhhutchins 22:53, 29 May 2014 (UTC)
I see :) Qshadow 10:59, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

Sâr Dubnotal

Hello, I've rejected your submission as there is no novel of that title. Sâr Dubnotal is the name of the hero and there are 20 known issues of a kind of magazine see here. Note also that the attribution to Sevestre seems disputed. Hauck 10:16, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

You seem to be right, it is my mistake, I probably found this translation book, and thought that "Sar Dubnotal" is a novel.

Le grand empire de l'un et l'autre monde

Hello, I've put your submission on hold. Can you be more precise about the spec-fic elements of this book? (e.g. where it's listed in Roberts' book, as I can't find it) Note that this novel is not present in the definitive book about protoSF in french. Thanks. Hauck 10:33, 19 February 2017 (UTC)

Hi, it is mentioned on page 57 here, I will appreciate if you could mark the submission as verified so it will not be deleted again like last time. Qshadow 21:59, 19 February 2017 (UTC)
The book is readable here and from skimming it it's really really boderline Spec-fic (as are some other examples given by Roberts who, to advance his thesis really casted a wide net (see my opinion alas in french). I'll approve your submission but have strong reservations about all this. Hauck 18:10, 20 February 2017 (UTC)
I see your point, maybe we should add this info as a comment to the title? Qshadow 19:02, 20 February 2017 (UTC)

Series and Parent Series

Hi. I left some thoughts over on the help desk about the series you listed. I don't want to just change them until people have a chance to see what I wrote and give their opinions in case I got off-base somehow. BUT - you say you don't know how to do the series so I thought I'd go over one with you that you listed. Check out Startling Science Stories. You've noticed the way they have the Alien Worlds series as belonging to the Startling Science series. We want to end up with a parent series that contains both names of the mag titles, in published order, and its name should be "Startling Science Stories / Alien Worlds". So click on the "Startling Science Stories" series link so that you're on its 'Series' page (it says it on the top of the page). On the left side click on "Edit Series" under "Editing Tools". Enter the new name that we made into the "Parent" box, then put "1" in Series Parent Position and click "Submit data". Now go back and click on the "Alien Worlds (2000)" SERIES link (make sure it's not the EDITOR link below it that says "Alien Worlds - 2000"). Again you're on the Alien Worlds (2000) Series page. Again click on Edit Series to the left. Delete the "(2000)" part of the Name (we don't need that). Then in the Parent box change what's there to our new combined name from above like you did before, and enter "2" in the Series Parent Position and click Submit Data. That's it, you're done. Then wait for moderator approval. It should be okay if you did it right, if you got it wrong they'll probably leave you a note pointing out any mistake. If this is too much, I can do it but it's good practice. Doug / Vornoff 00:03, 25 March 2017 (UTC)

Huge Thanks, Dough! I will wait for others to give their comments and after that do the changes. Qshadow 00:11, 25 March 2017 (UTC)
I checked out the series you changed and all looked good to me. I would only elaborate a little more on the Startling series if there is any more info out there to add. Good job. Doug / Vornoff 20:34, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
Thanks, Doug! I put a note on Startling series page saying "Changed its name to Alien Worlds in 2000", I didn't know what else I can elaborate here. When I checked the "Alien Worlds" sub-series notes there was nothing else. Qshadow 20:42, 28 March 2017 (UTC)
That's fine. I couldn't find much on either title after a brief check. Doug / Vornoff 22:03, 28 March 2017 (UTC)