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Welcome!

Hello, PatConolly, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Hauck 03:26, 5 February 2018 (EST)

Brother Coelestin

Hello, I had to tweak a lot your submission as you stumbled in one go on some of the most difficult parts of the ISFB. Based on my understanding of your notes:

  • I've created a record for the Czech (?) original short fiction (this meant creating a whole magazine).
  • Made the english title a variant of the original.
  • Salvaged all the data you gave (or so I hope).
  • Rejected your submission as the publication date for the english text record is the date of first appearance under this specific title/author/language combination so is likely to be, for the time being, the date of Serling's anthology publication.

The results are visible from here. I hope that I correctly translated into the db what you had in mind. Thanks for countributing. Hauck 03:40, 5 February 2018 (EST)

After your last round of submissions, I've tried to order all this. Have a look at the result to see if it's OK. The real questipn is in fact to know if the story was published in its original appearance (in Czech) as by "Jaroslav Vrchlický" or by another name. Hauck 06:26, 10 March 2018 (EST)

Lumir

Hello, I've salvaged what I could from your submissions. As Lumir is not a genre magazine, we do not individiually credit the editor, and there were quite a lot of diverse technical manipulations to arrive at this result. Hope it's what's you intended to achieve. Hauck 06:15, 11 March 2018 (EDT)

I've approved your latest update, changed syntax (you didn't use HTML) and alas, deleted number of pages as you indicate that the excerpt is on page 26 of a 16 pages magazine! Hauck 03:23, 12 March 2018 (EDT)
For some reason the "Edit" links were not showing when I previously looked at this page. I logged in again just now and see the links (but I'm an old person - maybe I just missed them). Anyway, there are magazines where the page numbering continues through issues until the next volume starts again. For example, Amazing Stories Quarterly, Fall 1928 is listed as having 144 pages, but the contents start with page 435. In the absence of a physical copy of the individual magazine, I'm inclined to go with the page numbers we see printed in the bound Volume. If you still wish to delete this page count, then you should also delete it from issue 3. PatConolly 23:48, 12 March 2018 (EDT)
You were probably not logged on the wiki-side (in fact you usually need to log twice, once for the site and once for the wiki). Apart for this, such information as given above should go either in the "Note" field of the publication or in the "Note to moderator" field. Even if I'm perfectly aware that "there are magazines where the page numbering continues through issues until the next volume starts again" (you'll find that our contributors are not that ignorant of bibliographic details), it would have been easier to indicate to the moderator that may accept your submissions that it was the case here. Hauck 04:19, 13 March 2018 (EDT)
Thank you. It would never have occurred to me that two separate logins were involved. I may not make many more contributions, not from lack of inclination, but simply because there is little information I might have that is not already present in ISFDB - except US magazine publication dates. PatConolly 11:21, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Amazing Stories Quarterly, Winter 1928

Hello, I've rejected your submission as we somewhat regularize the date of the records for magazines (regardless of what can be found of the "real" publication date), see here. Note that I've changed the dates to simply "1928".Hauck 04:14, 13 March 2018 (EDT)

Amazing Stories

Hello, I've approved your submissions. Two points:

  • your HTML was badly formed, when using the <li> syntax there must be a framing pair of <ul></ul> (see how it's done in the versions that I modified). AFAIC, I tend to stick to the most basic possible HTML format (without any niceties).
  • when updating a record that is PVed (Primary Verified) by an active contributor, our etiquette requires that they be notified. In this case, a general warning along the lines of "hello, I intend to modify the notes for your verified Amazings" is perfectly acceptable. Hauck 03:38, 14 March 2018 (EDT)
Regarding HTML I see. I was following what I observed in other records where I had NOT noticed the framing /ul. I wasn't actually trying to build a "list". I just wanted the info about dates to be on a separate line from the info about artists, etc. I thought <li> meant new line. I see there is a page "Help:Using Templates and HTML in Note Fields" so I'll refer to that in future.
I will follow the protocol about notifying primary verifier, and I will tell them I'm adding a publication date. PatConolly 15:13, 14 March 2018 (EDT)

Copyright registration dates

Hello, you notified me as primary verifier of some of the old magazines of your goal of using copyright registration dates to determine publication. Thank you for going to the trouble to research these. A couple of comments: for music, registration dates do not necessarily indicate dates of publication (release). I expect the same may be true for magazines. Also worth mentioning is that many of the magazines I verified explicitly stated publication dates on the contents page. For instance, the issues of Science Wonder that you mentioned in your note to me state publication on the 3rd of the preceding month, which I included in the Publication Notes. Do you expect that the copyright registration dates will differ? For issues that I've noted the exact stated date of publication, I'd ask that you retain the stated dates in the notes, but maybe add a note explaining any difference with the registration dates. All the best, Ldb001 01:44, 24 March 2018 (EDT)

Re: Titles whose first book publication was in parts

I stirred the pot a bit on your Help desk question regarding Jules Verne titles and wasn't sure if you 'd been watching. I'm hoping to get back to a Jules Verne project of entering translations at some point and was glad to see someone ese interested in the author. ../Doug H 23:07, 2 May 2018 (EDT)

Hi Doug. I just now noticed this note. Back in March I was primarily interested in figuring out proper dates so I could put my Jules Verne books in the right place. (Digression: I physically store my books chronologically. And actually I use a weighted average of the original magazine/newspaper serial dates. So my copy of Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea is filed at Oct 15,1869, The Mysterious Island at Dec 23, 1874, etc.)
There hadn't yet been any response to my question by the time I finished updating my Jules Verne collection, so I moved on to other things. Since I do so little ISFDB editing, it takes me a while to get those things done. I'm not planning on doing any more with the Jules Verne book publications. PatConolly 14:09, 30 May 2018 (EDT)

Changing data in primary verified pubs

Hi. When you change data in a record that has one or more primary verifiers, you should notify the verifiers by leaving a message on their talk pages (or by following any instructions they have posted there). When you're merely adding information, it's ok to notify and submit the addition in parallel. If you're changing information, you should check first, just in case there is a discrepancy between your information and the verifiers' information -- these can lead to the discovery of alternate editions we were not aware of. For your change to Final Stage, I'd treat it more like an addition than an alteration and just leave a note. In this case, I have done that and have accepted your submission, so just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --MartyD 10:07, 18 June 2018 (EDT)

Sorry about that. Since all the other web sites I (infrequently) update don't have such a policy (e.g. GCD, Wikipedia, IMdb), and since it is rare that I have some data that's not already present in ISFdb, it completely slips my mind that this site does have such a policy. I'm wondering where I could put a reminder to myself ... PatConolly 21:07, 20 June 2018 (EDT)
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