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I added a new cover scan and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?470214 A Call to Duty]. I also added the Roman numeral page count and disambiguated the foreword and afterword. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 23:43, 24 October 2014 (UTC) | I added a new cover scan and notes to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?470214 A Call to Duty]. I also added the Roman numeral page count and disambiguated the foreword and afterword. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 23:43, 24 October 2014 (UTC) | ||
:Okay. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 05:26, 26 October 2014 (UTC) | :Okay. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 05:26, 26 October 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == The Baen Big Book of Monsters == | ||
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| + | I have a couple of questions regarding your verified {{P|470944|The Baen Big Book of Monsters}}: | ||
| + | *Is the story on page 87 credited to {{A|Anthony N. Rud}} on the title page? The story is actually by {{A|Anthony M. Rud}}, but Amazon Look-Inside & Baen's webpage show the TOC as "N" and not "M". However, I wanted to double check the title page before creating a variant. | ||
| + | *Is the story on page 297 credited to {{A|Steve Diamond}} on the title page? Amazon Look-Inside & Baen's webpage show the TOC as {{A|Steven Diamond}}. | ||
| + | Much appreciated. Thanks. -- [[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 23:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :He is listed as "Anthony N. Rud" in the Table of Contents, on the Copyrights of Stories page, on the first page of the story (p.85), as well as on pp.88, 90, 92, 94, 96, 98, 100, 102, 104, 106, 108, and 110. I'm asking Baen if it was just a typo. | ||
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| + | :It should be Steven Diamond in all cases. If it's entered as "Steve", it's a typo by me when I entered it. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 08:58, 1 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::I submitted a correction for Diamond, and a pseudonym entry for Rud. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 09:12, 1 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::I got a reply [http://bar.baen.com/index.php?t=msg&th=110765&start=0& here] that it was just a typo. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 06:32, 5 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == A Call to Duty == | ||
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| + | I added to the notes for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?470214 A Call to Duty] outlining the role of Thomas Pope as a third author. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 03:13, 29 October 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Sounds good. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 05:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == ''Drift'' == | ||
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| + | I'm holding your submission to update [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?463824 this record] by adding content records for "Acknowledgements" and "Author's Note". We normally don't create content records for an acknowledgements if it only contains a list of "thank you"s. Also, such content should be typed as ESSAY, which is a piece of nonfiction which is contained in a larger work. The type NONFICTION is used for book-length works of nonfiction. Also, all generic titles should be disambiguated to avoid accidental merging of identically titled works. So an introduction titled "Introduction" should be titled "Introduction (Title of Work)". In this case, the author's note should be titled "Author's Note (Drift)". Let me know if the acknowledgements and author's note are substantial enough to qualify as separate essay contents in this publication. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 21:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :The "Acknowledgements" part is two pages. The "Author's Note" part is more substantial. I included both because the Acknowledgement section is between the book content itself and the Author's Note. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 04:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::Regardless of its length, is it substantially an ESSAY? [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Template:PublicationInfo:WhatToInclude The ISFDB rules of inclusion] state that ordinary acknowledgements should not be entered as separate content records. I will accept the submission, correct the types, disambiguate the titles, and let you decide whether to retain or remove the acknowledgements content record. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 17:32, 3 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :::The Author's Note is an essay. The Acknowledgments section is a typical one, so feel free to remove it. I can't figure out how to do that. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 16:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::::[http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Help:Screen:RemoveTitles Removing titles from a publication]. Once the title has been removed, it will have to be deleted from the database if it is not associated with another publication record. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::::Okay, the ball's back on your side of the court. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 05:40, 5 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == ''The Eos Reader 2004 - 2005'' == | ||
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| + | Hi, I'm holding your submission for the new publication named above. The stated publisher and the stated ISBN need some clarification (well, at least in my eyes): We have several publishers with 'Eos': 'Avon Eos', 'Avon Eos / SFBC' and four with 'Eos / Harper' as part of their name, but none with only Eos; maybe this publication would fit into one of the established ones? | ||
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| + | Also, the stated ISBN is invalid and leads to the message '''Catalog ID is missing "#"'''; could you please check if it's really 0-06-0764020-3?. And is it really 'Elizabeth Anne Scarborough' and not 'Elizabeth Ann Scarborough'? [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 08:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :Likely Eos / Harper, since the back says "Eos - An imprint of HarperCollins Publishers". | ||
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| + | :The ISBN is 0-06-076402-3, and the ISBN-13 is 978-0-06-076402-9. And it is Elizabeth Ann Scarborough. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 16:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::Thank you very much for the answers and for adding the anthology. I approved and changed the data according to your information. [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 04:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :::No problem. I'm adding another one with about 250 short stories in it. I'm about halfway through entering them. :) [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 08:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == Artist1 field == | ||
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| + | The purpose of this field is to credit the cover art. I'm holding your submission which updates [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482925 this record] (for a leatherbound book which doesn't appear to have cover art) by adding three artists to the Artist1 field. Your description in the Note field indicates that these are two different works of art which are not on the cover but the inside of the book. Those works should be credited as contents and not cover art, using the INTERIORART type. (As should the third work for a map.) Unless my interpretation of the description is incorrect, please cancel the current submission I have on hold and create a new submission adding content records. Of if you wish, I could accept the submission and you'd have to remove the cover art credit, and add the three content records. These will leave the other changes you've made in the submission in tact. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 23:44, 5 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :I resubmitted it and cancelled the other submission. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 00:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::Can you confirm that the work is credited to "Lawrence" and not Laurence Schwinger? [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 07:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::Yes. Lawrence. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 08:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == The Short Victorious War == | ||
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| + | I added a cover scan for [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482925 The Short Victorious War] and added variants for the paperback covers inside of this pub. I also merged the map with those in other volumes in the series. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 00:03, 8 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :Sounds good. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 08:48, 8 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == Daily Science Fiction series == | ||
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| + | The anthologies should have their own series name, and not be the same as the periodical. I'll create a new one. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :True. Maybe Daily Science Fiction (anthology)? [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 02:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::Already did it. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?37887 Daily Science Fiction (anthologies)]. I just thought of something. It would be easier to import these contents from the magazines issues. You would save a lot of entry time, and you wouldn't have to merge them with the existing title records. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::Okay, I'm doing that. Will you watch for the next little while as I do that? [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 03:04, 10 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::::Looking good. I'm glad I caught you before you went to all that extra effort. This is going to save us both so much time. The next thing to do after importing the titles is to enter the page numbers. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 04:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :::::Yup, I figured it would be easier to get them all in and then enter the page numbers. Thanks for the tip! I'll get the rest in, and then go grab the first year anthology and get started on that one. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 04:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | ::::::Looks like the first volume is already entered. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 04:38, 10 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == 1636: The Viennese Waltz == | ||
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| + | I added notes, content and a new scan to [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?482075 1636: The Viennese Waltz]. I also added the Roman numeral pages. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:57, 11 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == Not Just Rockets and Robots == | ||
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| + | I added a cover scan and a note as to the edition to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?401190 Not Just Rockets and Robots]''. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 02:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == Rocket Dragons Unite == | ||
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| + | I added a cover scan and a note as to the edition to ''[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?488765 Rocket Dragons Unite]''. I also corrected Michele-Lee Barasso's name which was listed as "Barosso" and added the introduciton. Thanks. --Ron ~ [[User:Rtrace|Rtrace]]<sup>[[User talk:Rtrace|Talk]]</sup> 00:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == Cover image file uploads == | ||
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| + | When creating a file for a publication's cover, do not scan the back cover unless it is wraparound cover art. In the case of [http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/Image:THSRDRHJMJ2004.jpg this image], the back contains basically text and should not be part of the image. We do not want to run the risk of violating copyright laws in case the text has been copyrighted. Please let me know if you'd like me to cut the image down to the front cover only. Or you can do it yourself and replace the current file. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:42, 14 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :We're no more likely to run into copyright issues than using just the front cover, especially since it's such a low resolution. Regardless, I've uploaded just the front. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 05:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::An image of the front of the book is covered by [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use fair use] for the purpose of identifying the work in question. The claim could not be made for the back of the book. In any case, an image of a book's back adds nothing to the value of the database. (And, IMHO, it is aesthetically displeasing.) Thanks for understanding. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 06:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
| + | :::Well, all of that could be argued. I'll just chalk it up to the quirkiness of ISFDB. ;) [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 04:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | == ''Shadows Beneath'' == | ||
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| + | Re [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495182 this publication]. The currency is missing from the price field. Also, NONFICTION is restricted to book-length works of nonfiction. Any works of nonfiction which are contained in another publication should be typed as ESSAY, regardless of their type of nonfiction. (Your explanation of the works qualify them as ESSAYs.) | ||
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| + | Also, much of the explanation that you added to the "Note to Moderator" field would have been better given in the "Note" field. The purpose of the first field is to provide addition information about the '''submission''' to help the moderator's decision to accept (or reject) the submission. It disappears the moment the submission is accepted. The purpose of the second field is to provide additional information about the '''publication''' which can not easily be provided in any of the other data fields visible to the database user. It is also better not to use the "Note to Moderator" field to ask questions concerning the submission, as it is impossible for the moderator to answer those questions directly. Any questions should be asked on the Help Desk page before making the submission. | ||
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| + | One last thing, the title "Untitled" should only be used when that is the actual title of the piece. Works of INTERIORART are not usually titled, so we title them the same as the work they illustrate. If the piece doesn't illustrate a specific work within a publication, it is given the title of the publication itself. | ||
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| + | BTW, the Amazon listing of the Kindle edition doesn't credit an editor. It only credits the four authors. Does your copy explicitly credit Peter Ahlstrom? | ||
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| + | Thanks for contributing. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 02:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :Okay, I updated them to essay, updated the title of the interior art piece, and added a modified version of my note to the moderator into the pub note. | ||
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| + | :Peter Ahlstrom is credited as the editor on the copyright page, which is also where I got the names for all of the interior artists. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 07:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::If the author/editor isn't credited on the title page (the ISFDB standard source for such credit), it's a good idea to record the source of the ISFDB record's credit in the Note field. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | ::The number of pages in a Kindle-formatted ebook is set by the reader, so we leave the Page Count field blank. (As far as I know, the only ebook format which has set pages is PDF.) You'll have to remove that number from [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?495307 this record]. Thanks. [[User:Mhhutchins|Mhhutchins]] 08:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
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| + | :::Okay, updated both of those. [[User:Nihonjoe|Nihonjoe]] 07:19, 24 December 2014 (UTC) | ||
Revision as of 19:24, 30 January 2015
Welcome
Welcome to my talk page. Nihonjoe 08:02, 9 June 2010 (UTC)
- Normally we welcome YOU rather than vice versa! :-) Are you the author of the book I recently approved? BLongley 00:18, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
- Nope, I was just working on something else which brought me around to that book and I noticed that the bio of the author was missing some links. Nihonjoe 01:23, 1 October 2010 (UTC)
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Afterblight Chronicles
I had to reject your submission to change the title of this pub to that of the cover image. The original data is from Amazon, so that's where the title came from. Hopefully, when the book is published, an editor will be able to confirm the title from the book's title page. That's the ISFDB standard for titling publication records, not from the book's cover or dustjacket, as they sometimes differ. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:48, 4 June 2011 (UTC)
- Well, have fun with that. I don't even care about that book, and was just trying to help. Nihonjoe 23:45, 3 August 2011 (UTC)
Cover image linking
Hi. Thanks for the correction to Horror Film Festivals and Awards. I had to make one change to the submission. Our software displays linked cover images (and author pictures) by loading them from the host website, putting a load on that site, so we only link to sites where we have explicit permission to do so. (If you're interested in the gory details, see ISFDB:Image_linking_permissions). McFarland.com is not a site where we have permission. I did a little searching and found another image on Amazon.com (where we do have permission to link) that looked the same to me, and I changed the cover link you provided to this link instead. Let me know if it doesn't look right to you. Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --MartyD 01:30, 4 August 2011 (UTC)
The Unquiet
Hi - I had to reject your submission to update the editor of The Unquiet from 'uncredited' to the authors of all the works included. In the case of this record, the Anthology has an editor, someone who should receive credit for bringing these 5 stories together but at this time, we don't know who that is (we are hoping the copyright page will let us know once the book comes out in a few weeks). You can see the guidelines for Author here. Thanks Kevin 16:29, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- So you can add that later. Doesn't make the edit I suggested any less valid. Nihonjoe 22:57, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Vampires
I am also going to reject your submission to change the editor of Vampires from 'uncredited' to the authors of the contents. Now.... in this case you've found a record where the contents of the anthology haven't been entered yet. You are welcome to enter all the contents of the anthology, so that each author gets credit for being included in the book. You can see the guidelines for putting 'Contents' into an anthology in the Help Pages. You should also wait until the book comes out so you can enter each Author and the correct short story, unless there is an exact list on the publishers website that I didn't see. Thanks again. Kevin 16:41, 19 September 2011 (UTC)
- I already entered the information and you rejected it. Feel free to add it yourself. Nihonjoe 22:58, 1 October 2011 (UTC)
Man-Kzin Wars XIII
When a multi-author anthology doesn't have a credited editor, some ISFDB editors have proposed that the authors listed on the title page should be credited as the authors of the book. The ISFDB display logic credits them as editors because ordinarily the "author" of an anthology is its editor. I personally feel such anthologies should give the editor as "uncredited", but there's still a debate about such cases should be handled. Rest assured, we know the authors listed in this anthology are not the editors, just those who are credited on the book's title page. Mhhutchins 21:27, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
- You may know that, but the casual user of the site isn't going to be able to read your minds. The way the information is presented is misleading and incorrect. Nihonjoe 18:54, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
- An anthology having no credited editor is relatively uncommon, so we have to make exceptions when that happens. As I tried to explain, the present way of crediting isn't perfect, but that's the standard. Any intelligent, albeit casual, user would understand the dilemma. A note of explanation in the record's note field doesn't hurt either. We don't presume to know whether the casual user can read minds. They're a pretty smart group of people. Otherwise they wouldn't be reading speculative fiction. :) Mhhutchins 20:01, 12 May 2012 (UTC)
Starting a new line in the Note field of a publication record
Re this publication: you'll notice that all of the information you added to the Note field runs on like it's one sentence. That's because this field doesn't recognize a keyboard "enter" stroke as the start of a new line. You must force a new line by using HTML. At the end of each line, or when you want to start a new sentence enter these four characters: <br>. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:41, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks. No one mentioned that before, and the other ones I've done must have just been edited by the moderator approving them. Nihonjoe 23:05, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
- That may be the case. Moderators will occasionally correct errors, and only bring them to your attention if they see a pattern. It's always a good idea to look back at the records you've edited just to make sure no errors got through. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 01:19, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Archiving messages
I see that you've removed recent messages from your talk page but not where you archived them. You should wait about a month or so before archiving messages (never delete them) because you never know when something may come up again about some advice or instructions you were given, or if another editor asked questions concerning a submission or a verified publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:22, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- This is a wiki, so everything is in the history of the page. If you really insist, I can certainly create an archive page to make it one less click to access the info. Nihonjoe 04:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- Unfortunately, due to disk space limitations, we have to purge all but the last 50 versions of our Wiki pages once every 6-12 months :( Ahasuerus 04:54, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- Disks aren't all that expensive, and they are going down in cost regularly. Perhaps have a "Donate" button on all the pages to allow people to chip in a few bucks every now-and-then. Nihonjoe 04:59, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
- Also, the ones I removed aren't recent. They were from 2012. I left the recent ones here. I made a link to the archive at the top of this page. Nihonjoe 06:02, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Images
You posted this: ==Image for Alas, Babylon== I submitted a cover image for Alas, Babylon here back on February 23, but the image isn't showing up yet. I submitted one for The Tar-Aiym Krang here on the same day, and it's not showing up, either. How long do they take to show up? Thanks! Nihonjoe 22:51, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
Images are not automatically linked to the records once they are uploaded to the DB. Once the upload is complete, you need to copy the URL for the image, not the upload page [right-click on the image and your browser should give you a couple of options: save/copy to your clipboard] or just click on the image which will then open it on it's own page [no external wiki-stuff] and then copy that URL into the image field in the record. The images you inquired about will still be in the Upload Log, they don't disappear, so you can still do this without re-uploading them. There is another way, rather than scrolling through a bunch of images: just use the "Upload New Image on the edit screen for the two records and you'll get a warning that an image already exists. Click on the link given and there's your image. Transfer it as above! Cheers! --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
- PS: this kind of inquiry should go on the Help Page or the Community Portal, I don't check my secondary page very often and on the other pages this would have been responded to the same day. --~ Bill, Bluesman 21:15, 7 March 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the info. As for checking your secondary pages, if you don't check it often, you shouldn't direct people to post to it. Seems counter-productive otherwise. Nihonjoe 01:42, 15 March 2014 (UTC)
- Regarding your comments here, the welcome message is still on the archive page, so pretty easily accessible if I need it. Or, as you pointed out, it's in the navigation box in this part of the wiki. Thanks! Nihonjoe 21:18, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
When Marnie Was There
Are you certain of the publication date of this record? I can't find a 2014 edition of this title. There was an edition published on April 2, 2002 according to Amazon, but it was published by Collins (not HarperCollins Children's Books) with an ISBN of 0-00-710477-4 (not 0-978-00-710477-2). Could this be the same as your copy? Or perhaps you have a later printing of this edition? Mhhutchins 22:30, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- At the top of the copyright page, it reads as follows:
- First published in Great Britain by Collins in 1967
- First published as a Collins Modern Classic in 2002
- This edition published by HarperCollins Children's Books in 2014
- And yes, the "Children's Books" part is italicized in the book. The ISBN is from the back of the book and matches the ISBN on the copyright page. 978-0-00-710477-2 is correct. Nihonjoe 23:57, 29 September 2014 (UTC)
- I've also uploaded a cover image for the one I have. It's a little different than the one you added from Amazon. Nihonjoe 00:25, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. Is it just a coincidence that the 2002 and 2014 editions were published on the same day of the year? Also, is there a printed price on your copy? Mhhutchins 01:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Maybe they planned it that way. No idea. There's a Canadian price and a Sterling price. No US Dollars price. Nihonjoe 02:47, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks for the clarification. Is it just a coincidence that the 2002 and 2014 editions were published on the same day of the year? Also, is there a printed price on your copy? Mhhutchins 01:02, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- What is your source for the publication date of the your edition? I just found this 2014 Canadian edition published on April 29, 2014. (Pay no attention to the cover image, because Amazon occasionally links the image of an earlier, or later, printing.) Since your copy has a Canadian price, perhaps that's your edition. Also, any printed price should be added to the record. The most prominent one goes in the Price field, and secondary ones are recorded in the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:22, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- I got the date off the copyright page in the book itself. I guess it's possible I got a Canadian edition. I just ordered it off Amazon. Neither price is the most prominent, though. I'll look at it again and see which one it might be. Nihonjoe 21:36, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- What is your source for the publication date of the your edition? I just found this 2014 Canadian edition published on April 29, 2014. (Pay no attention to the cover image, because Amazon occasionally links the image of an earlier, or later, printing.) Since your copy has a Canadian price, perhaps that's your edition. Also, any printed price should be added to the record. The most prominent one goes in the Price field, and secondary ones are recorded in the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:22, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- I asked because it's quite rare to put a publication date in a book, usually it's just the month or the year. Knopf is about the only publisher who recorded the date on later printings. Does your copy state anywhere something like "Printed in Canada"? Mhhutchins 22:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- It was printed in England. I added the £6.99 for the price. Nihonjoe 05:04, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- I asked because it's quite rare to put a publication date in a book, usually it's just the month or the year. Knopf is about the only publisher who recorded the date on later printings. Does your copy state anywhere something like "Printed in Canada"? Mhhutchins 22:04, 30 September 2014 (UTC)
- Also, on this listing, the "281 • Postrcript (When Marnie Was There) • (2002) • essay by Deborah Sheppard" needs to have a typo corrected: "Postrcript" needs to be "Postscript". Nihonjoe 05:23, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- That's easily corrected. Click on the title, which leads to the title record, and then click on the "Edit Title Data" link under the Editing Tools menu. Mhhutchins 05:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- Done. Nihonjoe 05:33, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
- That's easily corrected. Click on the title, which leads to the title record, and then click on the "Edit Title Data" link under the Editing Tools menu. Mhhutchins 05:32, 1 October 2014 (UTC)
Shin'ainaru kurōn
Re this publication: are you certain that "Tokyo" is part of the publisher's name? Mhhutchins 05:27, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
The Return of the Twelves
It looks like you used the "Add Variant Title" Web page to enter this book's data. Unfortunately, it is one of our more obscure and potentially misleading data entry forms. As Help:Screen:AddVariant says:
- Note that this screen permits you to enter title information without any associated publication information. Because publications are the primary sources, it is always preferable to enter the publication instead of just some title information. That way the information can be verified by another editor. Please avoid using this screen if possible, for this reason. One situation in which the use of this screen is necessary is when you are entering a variant title for a serialized version of a novel which was never published elsewhere under that serialized title.
I have created a publication record for this edition and moved all publication details to it. I have also created a publication record for the first US edition. What's curious about it is that the Library of Congress claims that it came out in 1964 while the copyright page of your eighth impression says "First American Edition 1963". My guess is that the publisher filed with the Library of Congress in 1963, but the book came out in 1964, a fairly common occurrence. I will document the discrepancy in the Title note and in the Publication note of the 1964 record. Thanks! Ahasuerus 13:27, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Oversized file
Re this image file: At 173 kb, this file exceeds the requested standard (files should be no larger than 150 kb; exceptions are made for wraparound cover art). Please resize it when you get a chance. Most graphic programs should be able to reduce its resolution while retaining the image size. If you need assistance, let me know. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:06, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
This file has the same problem. Mhhutchins 15:07, 4 October 2014 (UTC)
Whispers in the Graveyard
You make a good point about the Fidler award, but look at the history of the award. There were winners in 1983, 1984, 1985 and 1987, then nothing until 1993, then annual awards between 1996 and 2001. Makes you wonder what happened between 1987 and 1996, right?
Now, according to this Bookawards page:
- The Fidler Awards are unique in that the winning manuscript is guaranteed publication, offering aspiring writers the opportunity to see their first novel in print. Would-be authors are invited to submit manuscripts for novels for children aged 8 - 12 years. A panel of judges, comprised of members of Scottish Book Trust, who administer the Award, editors from Hodder Children's Books and a number of independent children's book experts, select the winner, which is then published after the full editorial process. The winner also receives an advance of £1000, plus a royalty package, and is presented with a rosewood and silver trophy, to be held for one year.
- Kathleen Fidler was the author of over eighty books for children ... worked closely with the Edinburgh Children's Book Group. After her death in 1980, the members of that group, together with her publishers, Blackie and Son Limited, and Mary Baxter, then Chief Executive of the National Book League (Scotland), established The Kathleen Fidler Award as a memorial to her deep interest in children and writers. In 1996, Hodder Children's Books took over the sponsorship of the award and the name was changed to The Fidler Award.
So it looks like the award ran into serious trouble and went dormant ca. 1987. And if we check the Blackie and Son Limited page on Wikipedia, it says that the company folded in 1991. The award was apparently given a new lease on life in 1996 when Hodder's Children took over the sponsorship.
Given the circumstances, it seems likely that Breslin did win the award in 1987, but Blackie and Son Limited were unable to come through since they were already struggling financially. Subsequently the book languished until the early 1990s when it was published by Methuen.
What do you think? Ahasuerus 00:18, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- That's possible. Maybe it would be good to put in some note on the award page and/or the book page explaining the information above. Otherwise, people may continue to question it and perhaps submit it for deletion again. Nihonjoe 00:39, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
- Done! Ahasuerus 01:08, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
A Call to Duty
I added a new cover scan and notes to A Call to Duty. I also added the Roman numeral page count and disambiguated the foreword and afterword. Bob 23:43, 24 October 2014 (UTC)
- Okay. Nihonjoe 05:26, 26 October 2014 (UTC)
The Baen Big Book of Monsters
I have a couple of questions regarding your verified The Baen Big Book of Monsters:
- Is the story on page 87 credited to Anthony N. Rud on the title page? The story is actually by Anthony M. Rud, but Amazon Look-Inside & Baen's webpage show the TOC as "N" and not "M". However, I wanted to double check the title page before creating a variant.
- Is the story on page 297 credited to Steve Diamond on the title page? Amazon Look-Inside & Baen's webpage show the TOC as Steven Diamond.
Much appreciated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:21, 28 October 2014 (UTC)
- He is listed as "Anthony N. Rud" in the Table of Contents, on the Copyrights of Stories page, on the first page of the story (p.85), as well as on pp.88, 90, 92, 94, 96, 98, 100, 102, 104, 106, 108, and 110. I'm asking Baen if it was just a typo.
- It should be Steven Diamond in all cases. If it's entered as "Steve", it's a typo by me when I entered it. Nihonjoe 08:58, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- I submitted a correction for Diamond, and a pseudonym entry for Rud. Nihonjoe 09:12, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
A Call to Duty
I added to the notes for A Call to Duty outlining the role of Thomas Pope as a third author. Bob 03:13, 29 October 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Nihonjoe 05:38, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Drift
I'm holding your submission to update this record by adding content records for "Acknowledgements" and "Author's Note". We normally don't create content records for an acknowledgements if it only contains a list of "thank you"s. Also, such content should be typed as ESSAY, which is a piece of nonfiction which is contained in a larger work. The type NONFICTION is used for book-length works of nonfiction. Also, all generic titles should be disambiguated to avoid accidental merging of identically titled works. So an introduction titled "Introduction" should be titled "Introduction (Title of Work)". In this case, the author's note should be titled "Author's Note (Drift)". Let me know if the acknowledgements and author's note are substantial enough to qualify as separate essay contents in this publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:42, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
- The "Acknowledgements" part is two pages. The "Author's Note" part is more substantial. I included both because the Acknowledgement section is between the book content itself and the Author's Note. Nihonjoe 04:06, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- Regardless of its length, is it substantially an ESSAY? The ISFDB rules of inclusion state that ordinary acknowledgements should not be entered as separate content records. I will accept the submission, correct the types, disambiguate the titles, and let you decide whether to retain or remove the acknowledgements content record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:32, 3 November 2014 (UTC)
- The Author's Note is an essay. The Acknowledgments section is a typical one, so feel free to remove it. I can't figure out how to do that. Nihonjoe 16:10, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Removing titles from a publication. Once the title has been removed, it will have to be deleted from the database if it is not associated with another publication record. Mhhutchins 04:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, the ball's back on your side of the court. Nihonjoe 05:40, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- Removing titles from a publication. Once the title has been removed, it will have to be deleted from the database if it is not associated with another publication record. Mhhutchins 04:58, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
The Eos Reader 2004 - 2005
Hi, I'm holding your submission for the new publication named above. The stated publisher and the stated ISBN need some clarification (well, at least in my eyes): We have several publishers with 'Eos': 'Avon Eos', 'Avon Eos / SFBC' and four with 'Eos / Harper' as part of their name, but none with only Eos; maybe this publication would fit into one of the established ones?
Also, the stated ISBN is invalid and leads to the message Catalog ID is missing "#"; could you please check if it's really 0-06-0764020-3?. And is it really 'Elizabeth Anne Scarborough' and not 'Elizabeth Ann Scarborough'? Stonecreek 08:59, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Likely Eos / Harper, since the back says "Eos - An imprint of HarperCollins Publishers".
- The ISBN is 0-06-076402-3, and the ISBN-13 is 978-0-06-076402-9. And it is Elizabeth Ann Scarborough. Nihonjoe 16:09, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
- Thank you very much for the answers and for adding the anthology. I approved and changed the data according to your information. Stonecreek 04:36, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- No problem. I'm adding another one with about 250 short stories in it. I'm about halfway through entering them. :) Nihonjoe 08:50, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Artist1 field
The purpose of this field is to credit the cover art. I'm holding your submission which updates this record (for a leatherbound book which doesn't appear to have cover art) by adding three artists to the Artist1 field. Your description in the Note field indicates that these are two different works of art which are not on the cover but the inside of the book. Those works should be credited as contents and not cover art, using the INTERIORART type. (As should the third work for a map.) Unless my interpretation of the description is incorrect, please cancel the current submission I have on hold and create a new submission adding content records. Of if you wish, I could accept the submission and you'd have to remove the cover art credit, and add the three content records. These will leave the other changes you've made in the submission in tact. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:44, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
- I resubmitted it and cancelled the other submission. Nihonjoe 00:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
- Can you confirm that the work is credited to "Lawrence" and not Laurence Schwinger? Mhhutchins 07:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yes. Lawrence. Nihonjoe 08:47, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
- Can you confirm that the work is credited to "Lawrence" and not Laurence Schwinger? Mhhutchins 07:08, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
The Short Victorious War
I added a cover scan for The Short Victorious War and added variants for the paperback covers inside of this pub. I also merged the map with those in other volumes in the series. Bob 00:03, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
- Sounds good. Nihonjoe 08:48, 8 November 2014 (UTC)
Daily Science Fiction series
The anthologies should have their own series name, and not be the same as the periodical. I'll create a new one. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:51, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- True. Maybe Daily Science Fiction (anthology)? Nihonjoe 02:52, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Already did it. Daily Science Fiction (anthologies). I just thought of something. It would be easier to import these contents from the magazines issues. You would save a lot of entry time, and you wouldn't have to merge them with the existing title records. Mhhutchins 02:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I'm doing that. Will you watch for the next little while as I do that? Nihonjoe 03:04, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Already did it. Daily Science Fiction (anthologies). I just thought of something. It would be easier to import these contents from the magazines issues. You would save a lot of entry time, and you wouldn't have to merge them with the existing title records. Mhhutchins 02:55, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Looking good. I'm glad I caught you before you went to all that extra effort. This is going to save us both so much time. The next thing to do after importing the titles is to enter the page numbers. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:07, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yup, I figured it would be easier to get them all in and then enter the page numbers. Thanks for the tip! I'll get the rest in, and then go grab the first year anthology and get started on that one. Nihonjoe 04:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Looks like the first volume is already entered. Nihonjoe 04:38, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
- Yup, I figured it would be easier to get them all in and then enter the page numbers. Thanks for the tip! I'll get the rest in, and then go grab the first year anthology and get started on that one. Nihonjoe 04:11, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
1636: The Viennese Waltz
I added notes, content and a new scan to 1636: The Viennese Waltz. I also added the Roman numeral pages. Bob 22:57, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
Not Just Rockets and Robots
I added a cover scan and a note as to the edition to Not Just Rockets and Robots. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:25, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Rocket Dragons Unite
I added a cover scan and a note as to the edition to Rocket Dragons Unite. I also corrected Michele-Lee Barasso's name which was listed as "Barosso" and added the introduciton. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:49, 17 November 2014 (UTC)
Cover image file uploads
When creating a file for a publication's cover, do not scan the back cover unless it is wraparound cover art. In the case of this image, the back contains basically text and should not be part of the image. We do not want to run the risk of violating copyright laws in case the text has been copyrighted. Please let me know if you'd like me to cut the image down to the front cover only. Or you can do it yourself and replace the current file. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:42, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- We're no more likely to run into copyright issues than using just the front cover, especially since it's such a low resolution. Regardless, I've uploaded just the front. Nihonjoe 05:44, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- An image of the front of the book is covered by fair use for the purpose of identifying the work in question. The claim could not be made for the back of the book. In any case, an image of a book's back adds nothing to the value of the database. (And, IMHO, it is aesthetically displeasing.) Thanks for understanding. Mhhutchins 06:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well, all of that could be argued. I'll just chalk it up to the quirkiness of ISFDB. ;) Nihonjoe 04:59, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
- An image of the front of the book is covered by fair use for the purpose of identifying the work in question. The claim could not be made for the back of the book. In any case, an image of a book's back adds nothing to the value of the database. (And, IMHO, it is aesthetically displeasing.) Thanks for understanding. Mhhutchins 06:08, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
Shadows Beneath
Re this publication. The currency is missing from the price field. Also, NONFICTION is restricted to book-length works of nonfiction. Any works of nonfiction which are contained in another publication should be typed as ESSAY, regardless of their type of nonfiction. (Your explanation of the works qualify them as ESSAYs.)
Also, much of the explanation that you added to the "Note to Moderator" field would have been better given in the "Note" field. The purpose of the first field is to provide addition information about the submission to help the moderator's decision to accept (or reject) the submission. It disappears the moment the submission is accepted. The purpose of the second field is to provide additional information about the publication which can not easily be provided in any of the other data fields visible to the database user. It is also better not to use the "Note to Moderator" field to ask questions concerning the submission, as it is impossible for the moderator to answer those questions directly. Any questions should be asked on the Help Desk page before making the submission.
One last thing, the title "Untitled" should only be used when that is the actual title of the piece. Works of INTERIORART are not usually titled, so we title them the same as the work they illustrate. If the piece doesn't illustrate a specific work within a publication, it is given the title of the publication itself.
BTW, the Amazon listing of the Kindle edition doesn't credit an editor. It only credits the four authors. Does your copy explicitly credit Peter Ahlstrom?
Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 02:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, I updated them to essay, updated the title of the interior art piece, and added a modified version of my note to the moderator into the pub note.
- Peter Ahlstrom is credited as the editor on the copyright page, which is also where I got the names for all of the interior artists. Nihonjoe 07:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
- If the author/editor isn't credited on the title page (the ISFDB standard source for such credit), it's a good idea to record the source of the ISFDB record's credit in the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 08:45, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
- The number of pages in a Kindle-formatted ebook is set by the reader, so we leave the Page Count field blank. (As far as I know, the only ebook format which has set pages is PDF.) You'll have to remove that number from this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 08:53, 23 December 2014 (UTC)
- Okay, updated both of those. Nihonjoe 07:19, 24 December 2014 (UTC)