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Beyond the Outposts: Essays on SF and Fantasy 1955-1996


I approved that but had to make a few changes:

  • We have the publisher as Ansible Editions so I changed it to that. If you think that AnsibleEditions is a better choice for the publisher, we can discuss changing the name on the publisher level:)
  • I had to pull the imag out from the image field as we have no permission to link to ansible. The list of allowed site is here or you can upload it to our DB (see above for instructions)
  • Introduction (to Beyond the Outposts: Essays on SF and Fantasy 1955-1996) -> Introduction (Beyond the Outposts: Essays on SF and Fantasy 1955-1996) per our policy for naming essay called Introduction and other common names. IF the "to" is printed in the book, let me know and I will replace it back
  • Added (Beyond the Outposts: Essays on SF and Fantasy 1955-1996) to the 4 essays at the bottom (common names so they need the name of the book.
Merged all the essays we already have in the DB with the same titles. You may want to check for the ones that are not merged yet and if we have another version of them, we can variant them. For the ones that we do not have, a note inside of each on where the original is published will be a good idea.

On your questions:

  • We do not allow html in titles. You can descrive these in the notes but the titles themselves should not be modified to show these. The relevant section from the help page is:
  • Fonts. Sometimes a title will have one or more words in italics, or in boldface, or in an unusual font. The ISFDB software would permit representing these via embedded HTML. However, this would mean that user searches that did not include the HTML would fail in many cases where they ought to succeed. Therefore, do not use embedded HTML to show font changes. For the same reason, do not use underscores to show _italics_, nor asterisks to show *boldface*, nor other typographical methods to show font in titles. If the font seems important, it can be shown and/or described in a note.
The On Writing columns date spans 1977-1979 - how do I reflect that?
Put the date as 1977, and then explain the contents in the publication note AND in the note of the title. You can also add each of the individual parts into the book (then we can connect to their existing copies if we have them)
Alos Short Takes spans 1979-1981.
Same as above
Paradise Charted was published in Fall, 1980 - how do I enter that?
Date: 1980-00-00; Note on the title level that it was Fall 1980 and where it was.
Also, Tom Reamy... was Summer, 1981,
Same as above
Pop Lit Reviews span 1986-1990
Same with the other 2 spans :)
A note on dating - even if an essay is written earlier, if it is published under a new title, the record for the title takes its date from the first publication under this title. Its parent record (the first publication) retains the original date.

The result is here. If you have any questions and/or concerns or I can provide more clarifications, let me know. Thanks for adding the book! Annie 04:42, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Hi Annie,
Thanks for processing & fixing my submission.
Publisher: that was my typo, it is 2 separate words
Cover Image: I've uploaded the one from the publisher web site
Introduction etc: The 'to' was my addition so what's up now is correct
Common names: I sort-of knew that but was slightly losing the will to live by the time I got to those; I just wanted to submit it (& hope that my session didn't timeout before I did so), knowing that some additions would be necessary later
Fonts: Sorry, I should have read the help pages more thoroughly
Titles that are collections of other titles: I'll do what you suggest
Seasonal dates: I'll do as you suggest
There are other vt to add in, as shown in the Original Appearances section of the publisher's site at [1]; I'll do those --Mjcrossuk 06:21, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
No worries for the help page - things can get overwhelming if you do not edit often. I suspected that we will have a lot of variants - that’s why I posted the dating explanation. Do let me know if I can assist with anything else. Annie 07:02, 6 June 2020 (EDT)
I've just noticed that 3 of the titles with Common Names (Some Notes, Acknowledgements, Original Appearances) are listed on the Copyright page as 'copyright David Langford', so I guess they should be credited to him, rather than to 'uncredited'?
I've also just discovered that there is a spinoff from the Beyond The Outpost book: A Budrys Miscellany: Occasional Writing 1954-2000, a free ebook-only available from [2]. I'll get to that one after finishing off Beyond The Outposts. --Mjcrossuk 12:56, 6 June 2020 (EDT)

Credit for cover art, here Beyond the Outposts

Hi, you gave Camille Flammarion as cover artist for this publication. However, it is only mentioned that it was taken from "L'atmosphère: météorologie populaire". That doesn't make Flammarion the artist, and that's the person who we do credit. Other pub.s - reproducing the same work of art - mention that the artist is actually unknown. If that is so, the credit should be removed. Stonecreek 06:21, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

Hi, Sorry about that, I've submitted a change. Thanks for the correction --Mjcrossuk 06:32, 8 June 2020 (EDT)
Thanks for the change. However, since we don't give 'uncredited' for cover art, I had to remove the title from the publication (according to our rules, here: "If not known, leave blank". Sorry for the fuss, but who would have thought that all is easy to know in a complex world; well, I did in the beginning ;-) . Stonecreek 06:48, 8 June 2020 (EDT)

Children items

Regarding your question here and here. You cannot add them as children but what you can do is to add them immediately after this item. Depending on their type, they may show up visually a bit inside (for reviews) or on the same level - but you do not do anything special for that. See the reviews here for example. Then once approved, you can edit the note in this one and add links to the others.Annie 18:38, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Please note that if the review is for a book that is not eligible for inclusion here, it needs to be added as an essay and not as a review. Annie 18:40, 9 June 2020 (EDT)
Same answer for this one - you import the two individual titles under it - this one will remain unconnected, the notes will tell someone what it contains. Annie 18:43, 9 June 2020 (EDT)

Review length

Hi. To answer your question about minimum length for recording a review, there is no set minimum. Usually it's helpful to have separate records where the reviews are going to be linked to specific titles. For reviews that are not of genre material and are recorded as ESSAY, it's up to the person entering the data. One might have a single omnibus "Reviews" by "various" (as we do for letters to the editor sections) or might call them out individually. The latter case is more of how much detail you're willing to enter and whether any of the reviewers are of particular note, where we might want to track their reviews on their author pages. Art more than science, really. Recording them indivually should pretty much always be fine if they're presented as separate items in the magazine. --MartyD 17:28, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

Hmmm, I was hoping for a nice clear-cut, black & white answer :) In the case of The Patchin Review the column is a survey of what each publisher has released, with a usually 1 sentence review of each book. All the reviews are by the mag's editor, Charles Platt. In the issue I'm looking at now, there are 68 'reviews'!!! If I was going to have to type them all in, I would be inclined to say "No", BUT, as I have the issues in PDF format, I can copy/paste all the titles & authors, so much less effort/time involved. --Mjcrossuk 12:05, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
I would not enter 1 sentence notes as reviews. You will never find a black and white answer but if it takes longer to open the magazine than to read the review, I tend to consider them too short. But that is up to you. 13:34, 12 June 2020 (EDT) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Anniemod (talkcontribs) .
Yes, sorry about the belated follow-up. I also wouldn't bother treating these as reviews. I would just treat the section (assuming it's "The Patchin Review") as a recurring piece, and include the full issue name in parentheses to disambiguate one issue's from the next. Then what you can do with those is put them into a "The Patchin Review" title series, which will group them all together on Platt's page and help avoid clutter. It's a technique in widespread use for many magazine recurring features (editorials, etc.). --MartyD 11:09, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

Or Thwim

The title note you are adding here has no context. Is this the first appearance or something else? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:52, 11 June 2020 (EDT)

Yes, that's the original appearance. --Mjcrossuk 05:24, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Okay, I accepted the edit, updated the note to say first appeared in, and changed the date to match. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:47, 12 June 2020 (EDT)
Thanks for fixing it. I will have made the same mistake on other recent changes. I'll check them all, and adjust where necessary. --Mjcrossuk 11:36, 12 June 2020 (EDT)