User talk:Marc Kupper/Open items

I don't always have the publication handy to handle a request for additional data or to double-check additions to a publication. These items are parked here to keep my talk page to a reasonable size.

Please add requests/updates to my main talk page.

Sword of Chaos- added cover/story paging

This. [1]. I added the cover and story paging from my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 16:06, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

I felt I needed to add this note. "Cover art and frontispiece by Hannah M. G. Shapero. This frontispiece is present and is missing in some later printings. No apparent signature." I have the Seventh printing and it was missing the frontispiece and I so noted that. Thus I thought it important to note that your ver had it in case someone needed to see it. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:06, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - My copy book is lost in chaos at the moment. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:47, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Shadow of Heaven

Added a couple of notes to [[2]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:35, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Earth Abides -- dating question

I have a copy of Earth Abides that sort of matches your verified RTHBDS1971, the notable exception being that my copy's copyright page states:

Printed in the United States of America

May 1971

at the bottom. Above that is the LCCN. It is the $0.95, #M1551 Fawcett Crest book, and it matches the cover image associated with the entry. The SBN appears only on the spine. I see in the notes your copy did not have a date and there was some question of the date's origin.

What do you think? Should I create a new entry, since I seem to have a different printing? Should I change the existing entry to 1971-05-00? --MartyD 22:04, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

I pulled my copy, as you suggested I could, and I find that I still totally match Marc's description. A couple of questions. My copy has the copyright page start approximately half way down. Does yours? Where did they place the two lines? Above or below? Do they look like the same type or do they look slightly different? My last page (318 actual count) has a page of ads. They start right side T1550 75¢, M1552 95¢, P1526 $1.25. etc. Does yours match? I checked ABE and one vendor is definitely selling an undated printing M1551. The careful way he states it, makes me positive that he is open to seeing one's with correct dating.

Not to take over, but I think Marc is going to say go ahead and add yours with the date given and noted differences. I think the DB has to assume that what you have is a 'tangible' difference. This will make it easier to compare and keep in mind while checking. A reasonable possibility is that Marc's/mine are printed in Canada, without it being so stated. If you clone from Marc's, I believe it will create no new problems, and if it is later decided to delete or merge the two, the mods have that ability. I have seen Ace printings stating first printing, first edition and they were not, so usually the best thing is to add, note completely and watch the fur fly. You also could ask on the community board for other people to check if they have the same copy, but that is a long shot. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:52, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

I will add my copy with the notes as another pub. My copy's copyright page starts halfway down, too. Title line, "This book contains the complete text..." block-letter sentence, A Fawcett Crest Book... sentence, copyright line, All rights reserved... paragraph, Except for an occasional reference... paragraph, LCCN line, a couple of blank lines, Printed in the United States of America line, May 1971 (this as low as they print the text on each page, on the line above the line they put page numbers on).

My ad page is different. P1599 $1.25, M1600 95¢, P1601 $1.25, etc. In fact, none of your three examples is listed in mine. Curious. I am going to take the ad entries you cite above and add them to the notes of the existing pub and add these examples from mine to the new pub to help the next editor. --MartyD 11:13, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Marty, apologies to you. I am totally blind and stupid. I just checked your line by line and discovered I made an error in checking my copy. I saw "Published by Fawcett World Library (over) 67 West 44th Street, New York, N. Y. 10036". I took the whole as an address but the next line reads "Printed in the United States of American" (over) "May 1971". I feel like a dolt, but I have to wonder if Marc may have done the same. I am amazed that the add page is different as the opposite is the last of the text of the novel. If I read the above correctly you do not have the first two lines. Sorry for the havoc, but if you have blank spaces we still are looking at a copyright page change plus the add page. Makes you wonder when they actually printed it. Apologies, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:02, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

No need to apologize for anything. I did update the notes on the existing pub with the ad info and added a new pub -- still pending approval, but I'll add a link here to the new one once it's accepted. When I get home tonight (it's ~12:30pm ET where I am), I will reproduce here the entire copyright page and provide more details on the ad page (and see if I can find anything else helpful). May as well, FWIW. Is there someplace we should move this discussion to avoid clutting up Marc's talk page? --MartyD 17:34, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I think we are in the right place, as Marc is primary and I think he will be fascinated. I am bedazzled that they might reset the 'type' during a printing, as in the last page. Marc will get to this when he can and after he can check his copy. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:42, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, here is a very detailed description of the book I have in hand. In the TOC and subsequent numbering, they count starting with the title page as 1. All text left-justified unless otherwise noted.

1st physical page

"IN ITS NARRATIVE FORCE ... FASCINATION." -- The New York Times (4 lines)

"THE BOOK HAS MORE ... NOVELS." -- The Christian Science Monitor (3 lines)

The FIRST choice of the Science Fiction Book Club

The FIRST choice of the International Fantasy Award

Among George R. Stewart's many works ... his environment. (4 lines)

2nd physical page

(blank)

3rd physical page (title page)

Earth (right-justified, 1/4 way down page)

Abides (right-justified)

by George R. Stewart (centered, just above mid-page)

A FAWCETT CREST BOOK (right-justified, bottom)

Fawcett Publications, Inc., Greenwich Conn. (right-justified)

4th physical page (copyright page)

EARTH ABIDES (1/2 way down page)

THIS BOOK CONTAINS ... HARDCOVER EDITION. (2 lines)

A Fawcett Crest Book reprinted by arrangement with Houghton Mifflin Company. (2 lines)

Copyright 1949 by George R. Stewart

All rights reserved. No part ... from the publisher. (5 lines)

Except for an occasional ... actual occurrence. (4 lines; author's voice)

Library of Congress ... 49-11267

Printed in the United States of America

May 1971 (line above page number line space)

page 318 (unnumbered, 320th and final physical page)

FAWCETT CREST BOOKS (centered, top)

On Top with the Big Bestsellers (centered)

THE AMERICAN ... P1599 $1.25

LOVERS ALL UNTRUE ... M1600 95¢

THE DOOMSDAY BOOK ... P1601 $1.25 (2 lines)

LOSING BATTLES ... P1584 $1.25

... (15 more titles, 17 lines) ...

THE GODFATHER ... Q1388 $1.50

THEM ... P1467 $1.25

EXPENSIVE PEOPLE ... M1408 95¢

FAWCETT WORLD LIBRARY (centered)

Wherever Paperbacks Are Sold (centered)

If your bookseller ... 15¢ ... No Canadian orders.... upon request. (4 lines)

back cover

EARTH (1/4 way down, yellow)

ABIDES --

A NOVEL ... TODAY (4 lines, white)

In this ... human survival. (6 lines)

"EARTH ABIDES is ... never end." (3 lines)

--THE NEW YORKER (right-justified)

"Most worthwhile ... meanings." (2 lines)

--CARL SANDBURG

Fawcett World Library (bottom)

spine (all text rotated 90)

A Fawcett (top, white)

Crest Book

EARTH ABIDES (1/4 way down, yellow)

George R. Stewart (middle, white)

449-01551-095 (bottom, white)

There you have it. A picture's worth a thousand words, but can a thousand words paint a picture? --MartyD 01:26, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

I approved the addition before finding this discussion. We can always delete one of the pubs if Marc confirms that they are identical. Ahasuerus 01:42, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

My first mis-match is that I have two lines of address before the "Printed in the United States" on copyright page. On the add page the top is different, and I do not have those items later, but your bottom three are complete matches. My product number line reads top to bottom, T1550, M1552, P1536, P1537, M1538, P1522, M1523, M1450, M1365, M1525, M1478, M1398, P1503, M1504, T1505, M1497, M1482, T1485, Q1388, P1467, M1408. The ad page being different and as I said the opposite page is novel text shows they were capable of changes, which suggests they could do it during the printing cycle. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

The list on my copy's ad page, top to bottom, is P1599, M1600, P1601, P1584, P1570, M1571, M1563, M1588, M1564, P1562, M1497, Q1556, M1557, P1536, P1522, M1523, M1540, M1365, P1503, Q1388, P1467, M1408. --MartyD 03:01, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Ok, I have incorporated the information from the above discussion into a "differences from the other 1971 printing" note on each of the pubs. I describe the copyright address/lack-thereof and provide the above two ad page number lists in the respective printings. At least no one will be able to complain about LACK of details.... :-) --MartyD 18:24, 5 March 2009 (UTC)

Collected Stories of Vernor Vinge

Added the month of publication to [this] from the 1st TP edition. Does your HC have a $C price? ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:05, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Sword and Sorceress XI-- reply to note and two problems

Hello, Mark. Take your time, as I transient ver'd this. [3] . Here is your note. "Note to anyone with a copy of this publication. My copy is a very dog-eared ex-library copy with several layers of tape and stickers holding the spine together. I'd like to know what is on the bottom part of the spine and am expecting one of

   * ISBN - 0-88677-614-7 499 - in one line.
   * ISBN2 - Price “sideways” 0-88677-614-7
   * ISBN3 - Both price and ISBN “sideways” so that they read normally when the book is on a shelf.

It would be great if you can drop me a note as to what's on this publication. Thank you. ~Marc."

Answer. "U.S. (over) $4.99 (over) (line) Can $5.99 (over) (space) 0-88677- (over) 614-7" at bottom spine. ISBN option 3. LOL

Two problems. "Keepsake by Lynn Michals" not Michels (typo). "Sow's Ear by Kathy Ann Trueman" not "The Sow's Ear" though both acknowlegment/copyright and ToC have "the". Great Job, Thsnks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:38, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The October Cuntry

Replaced the image for [this] with a scan from the first printing and removed the note re:second printing cover being the image shown. ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:31, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

The Postman

Added a cover image to [[4]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:08, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Hammerfall

Added a cover image to [[5]]--Bluesman 00:03, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Wave Without a Shore

Added a cover image to [[6]] from the second printing, but all data seems to match. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:20, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

Lavender-Green Magic

I updated your verified pub LVNDRGRNMG1977 to put the ISBN in the ISBN Field, and the SBN in notes (This lets the Amazon / Alibris / Abe books links work properly). Thanks Kevin 18:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Amazons!---added note that frontispiece is by Whelan

Morning!. This. [7]. I added frontispiece note and contents. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:24, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Ancient My Enemy

Added a cover image to [[8]] and, hopefully, the correct gutter code to the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 22:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Survival

Correct cover? It better be, as that many prices listed can't have stayed stable for long. I also adjusted the cover artist credit as it IS there in very small print to the right of the prices section on the back cover. I think I mentioned once before that some UK artist credits are so close to the edge that mere spine-wear can obscure them. BLongley 22:27, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Star Guard G-599 -- note

Hi. In re-verifying Star Guard D-527 I paid more attention to the existing notes and saw the question about the Lin Carter essay with the cross-reference to D-599. D-527 does not have it. I updated the note in D-527 to be a statement of fact, and I added note to D-599 confirming both the absence of the essay in D-527 and that D-527 states itself the 2nd printing. --MartyD 02:15, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Renegade by Duchamp

Can you check the credit for cover design of this pub? There are two similar names with one credit each in the db: "Lynne Janson Lampe" and "Lynne Jensen Lampe". Thanks. MHHutchins 05:06, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Automated Goliath / The Three Suns of Amara -- cover image

I replaced a broken link with this on your verified TMTDGTSA1962, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 21:08, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Big Time / The Mind Spider and Other Stories -- cover image

I added this image to your verified TBTTMS1961 that matches my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 21:58, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

One Against Herculum / Secret of the Lost Race -- cover image

I replaced a broken link with this on your verified NGSNTLSTRC1959, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 23:19, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

The Other Log.....Fogg

Some DAW data on [this] pub. First Canadian printing, still no number line. Currey adds an odd note, most likely about the US edition: "First Printing, March 1973 on copyright page. Also, First Printing [through] Tenth Printing set in ten lines following the dedication on copyright page." Notin the CDN edition. Sort of have an idea what that means, but just passing it along. Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:24, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Transformer

Another DAW oddity: [this] pub, a Canadian edition, second printing, states "First Signet Printing, April, 1983". That is not a typo. ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

The Day Star

Added a cover image and a note to [[9]]--Bluesman 03:17, 3 April 2009 (UTC)

Sword and Sorceress II

The cover image for my copy of your verified pub here differs from the one in the pub record. I've uploaded a scan of my copy here, but wanted to double check with you before replacing the image. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:49, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Trouble with Tycho

Finally found a second copy of [[10]] so replaced the old image with a decent one and added some notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:46, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Six-Gun Planet

Howdy, pardner! Added a cover image to [[11]]--Bluesman 01:01, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

The Automated Goliath / The Three Suns of Amara

I replaced the image on your verified TMTDGTSA1962 with a local (wiki hosted) copy. I ordinarily don't replace unbroken images, but had accidentally uploaded this image for a different pub by mistake (the gory details are on my talk page). Thanks.--Rtrace 02:25, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Book of Leiber

[[12]] Another in the series of different covers than artists. All copyright page data would indicate a first printing, yet the cover is from the US 3rd. --Bluesman 01:02, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

LOL - and here's more on that. Your "3rd printing" cover is actually DAW's second USA printing. It was done in either October or November 1976. Amazon says October 19, 1976. The catalog # UY1269 fits into the lineup for November 1976. I don't have a USA catalog for 1976 and and so would go with Amazon's date. Thus both the date and cover artist are wrong for your publication. Note that the Canadian edition may not have come out out on the same date as the USA 3rd but it would have been either late 1976 or some time in 1977. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:35, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Tor Double

Added an image for 1/2 of[[13]], no find on the other half.... added the month as well (usually the TOR had this?) ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:30, 25 April 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That one is temporarily (I hope) buried. When I see it I'll do the over side. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:52, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Second Book of Leiber

Scanned in a cover image for [[14]]--Bluesman 01:50, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

The Heritage of Hastur

I added Jack Gaughan as cover artist in this verified pub. He is credited on the copyright page. Willem H. 15:04, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

One Against Herculum/Secret of the Lost Race added notation

Afternoon! This. [15] . I added notation after matching my copy and Tuck to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:53, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Crystal Line

Added a new cover image for [[16]], broken link. Adjusted the notes accordingly. Locus1 verifies the date of publication and price so, again, adjusted the notes accordingly. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:54, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

SourceForge Project

I have created a source forge account under the same log in name 'kpulliam' - Could you please add me to the project? - Thanks - Kevin 17:17, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Singularity Station

Scanned in a new image for [[17]] added the interior art and fleshed out the notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:35, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Prince of Scorpio- map information

Afternoon! This. [18] . I added information to the firs printing which is slightly different than yours. I sent a message to the memebers of Yahoo Group Kregen and got two replies. First is from the editor of Mushroom/Bladud Books which is publishing the series and working to get the German versions into e-book and print.

Harry,

> I assumed it was Ken Bulmer's, but I need confirmation one way or the other.

The maps are based on Ken's originals, but were redrawn by DAW house artists (who may have included Jack Gaughan). The quality of the paper and printing required heavier lines than Ken's originals. Some appear to include errors - we found and corrected a few errors and omissions in the Havilfar map when preparing it for the wiki.

There are scanned copies of Ken's originals in the wiki. For instance:

[19]

[20]

I believe, but could be wrong, that these were provided by ZaPeet or Heyne.

Thanks, Martin

The second is from the owner of the group, ZaPeet is another editor who was trying to get the books not published in Englis into ebook format. He got five, and found it financially impossible for him. Ken Bulmer and he became very tight and the maps came through him in the original and so were secured by Martin Heldson, at Mushroom/Bladud Books.

Lahal,

ZaPeet did indeed provide these maps, obtained from Ken himself!

I treasure them because both Tambu and Bet-Aqsa are shown definitively. Sadly, Ba-Domek is not but we know it is fairly close to both of these two lands, in the Ocean of Doubt.

Seg

I do not know if this clarifies anything, but it shows I and they are still involved in all things Bulmer. Maybe, it will give you a laugh. I am not suggesting a change. I was surprised to find the map in our copies of PoS are actually 'cut outs' of the map in the omnibus. I wish Ken's elderly wife could locate more missing material, but the indifference of the children apparently overrides this. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 20:01, 1 June 2009 (UTC)

The Silver Metal Lover

I added a cover image to your verified pub THSLLLVR0D1982. Thanks. --Rtrace 12:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Heritage of Hastur [2]

Added a cover image and massaged the notes for [[21]] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

World Wreckers

Added a cover image to [[22]] --Bluesman 01:22, 23 June 2009 (UTC)

Candy Cox / Candy Box and the Big Bad (Were)Wolf (P.C. Cast in Mysteria )

Hi Marc, just alerting you to an oddity on P.C. Cast's page relating to one of your verified publications: There is 2 versions of the name of a novella which I presume is the same piece of work. In your verified publication Mysteria it is "Box". On Amazon US Look Inside, the TOC has it as Cox, so I wonder if there's a typo in the Mysteria publication contents records, or whether the heading of the story itself has the "Box". ... clarkmci/--j_clark 08:09, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

ACE Dbl F-161

Added both artists to [this] courtesy ACE Image Library, with appropriate note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:12, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Creating the Kris Darkon pseudonym for Forrest J. Ackerman instead of uncredited

Hello Marc. As Bob Hall is not appearing on my watchlist and you are active, with some limitations due to RL, I need someone versed somewhat in the Perry Rhodan magverse. I have the PR's 119+ and entered them as uncredited, and it devils me. The reality is that Ackerman took a flier with subscriber funds to try and create a viable PR magazine. He failed rather quickly, but he 'dodged' some possible liabilities and responsibilities of an editor in order to hedge himself from financial loss. There are no real name people mentioned in the series during his attempt, except for the actual German author whose story is translated and a few letter comments from fans with no signed pseudonyms responses. There is though, a direct connection with a pseudonym name used in these issues. His Kris Darkon persona continued to be used for commentary in the magazine during both the Ace publication and the non-attributed Master Publications run. He strictly used it in Ace to hype his selling of PR material and events and continued that into Master Publications. My view is that this huckstering pseudonym is a valid connection between the publications and leads directly to Forrest J. Ackerman, even though he refrained from his usual practice of crediting himself, his wife and translators, etc. My proposition is that I change the uncredited to Kris Darkon. Enter the contents of a "Rhofan" subscriber post card and that KD is the only name used in association with the MP run. Thus crediting him/KD and then taking it one step further and making KD a pseudonym of FJA. I hope this seems a rational way of cluing in the db user to the clearly well known relationship. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 21:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Pseudonyms are dangerous in ISFDB at the moment as we can't change or undo them meaning whatever we do needs to be done right the first time. I believe it's pretty we'll established that Ackerman used many pseudonyms or at least someone went to the trouble to create a poster about it.

Agreed. The reason I and DES have a discussion going. I am trying to promote some intermediate stage, apparent to the users, for working the problem over time and through possibly numerous editors. Authors are difficult, editors tend to be worse and artist/others are like blowing bubbles in the wind. In a sense using a pseudonym for FJA is only an attempt to assign the lack of data mischief in the later PR printing to the culprit. Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

To me, Kris Darkon is more likely Wendayne, Forrest's wife, and as much of a fan of specfict as Forrest was. Forrest was into phonetic pseudonyms and Darkon seems to be a spin on Wahrman which was Wendayne's maiden name.

I totally support that Wendayne was a phenomenal support for FJA. In fact I doubt, he would have done a tenth of what he did without her. His 'whiny' rebuke to STF fans for not supporting his plans and contributing tons of money for him to do his thing was a 'real work of art'. She definitely was his charm. Harry, --Dragoondelight 13:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I believe the best we can do is to keep tugging at the strings to see where they lead and documenting the trail. From time to time we may run across a real fact, vs. speculation. ISFDB can help in that it'll document when and where the various pseudonyms were used. For example, Wendayne was mugged in 1989 and I don't think was able to write up to her subsequent death in 1990. Thus Ackernymns used from 1990 on out would be by Forrest. Thus, what I do is to document the connection as best as possible. Reading Series:Perry_Rhodan#Perry_Rhodan_.236_-_The_Secret_of_the_Time_Vault over a year later shows I failed in some aspects in that I related my opinions but did not give more of the background facts that could support or deny that opinion.

PR is messy and Ackerman is more so

I take it as no, but filled in a little below, but no is not a problem as long as it is aired out, especially to someone who can follow up at a later date if new/better information occurs. That is why asked you to sit as a judge on my thoughts. As for your surmises and commentary on PR 6, I found nothing wrong with both the approach and the result. I think in some ways the DB is built for doing what you did and then adding/subtracting lines of inquiry as you go through the material. Unfortunately, I thing PR is especially messy. I found some material from a favorite author in 'Science Fiction Adventures' magazine and will start comparisons with PR in my reading of it. Never was a real magazine fan, but possibly I am developing. LOL. Putting your thoughts on what was happening in PR 6 and other books, you have done are (IMO) essential to developing future understanding of the material. Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

I broke the drifting threads into their own sub-sections as I get confused by all of these indents wafting in and out.

I did not mean an absolute "no" but rather that the ISFDB database should be based on verifiable facts as much as possible. Pseudonyms are a hard one as it's rare that a reliable source such as the author or publisher involved publicity states in unambiguous terms that X is Y. It's worse for ISFDB in that author pseudonyms happen to be the one and only thing we can't undo once they get entered. Thus I like to make sure the fish are all in the barrel before I shoot.

I'm also in no hurry. If I have some evidence of something I'm content to just document it and perhaps 10, 20, or more years from now someone will dig up more evidence.

Finally, ISFDB publication records should be based, as much as possible, on what's stated in a publication. If the editor is uncredited for the Masters PR series then the publication record should say "uncredited". We use the variant title mechanism to link that the title record for "uncredited" to Forrest J Ackerman and ideally, as part of that linkage we would also document the evidence that Ackerman was the editor. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:19, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

note sources

So far in ISFDB we have not been in the habit of consistently documenting the sources for pseudonyms though presumably could do this on the wiki-bibliography page for an author or artist. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

post card

I added the post card I received when I secured my copy of PR119 from a vendor in the note field. After acceptance here [23].

I approved the post card addition to 904727 though am wondering at the usefulness of adding that as a note to a title type EDITOR title record. The only way people would find that record and thus see the note is via an advanced search. I thought about this and decided a better place to record research notes about a pseudonym is the author's page and so copied the note to Author:Forrest J. Ackerman#Kris Darkon. I also saw two typoes in the note and corrected them on the assumption they were data entry errors. If these typos exist in the original text then please revise the quote and add comments explaining the typos exist in the original publication. The typos are:

• "...publisher of the Perry Rhodan series wrrote us to go ahead..." corrected to wrote.
• "...hours in what int eh may turn out...". I took a guess and corrected this to "...hours in what in the end may turn out..."

I left the original note in the title record too. There's a mild concern about copyright issues which is offset in that we are clearly noting "this is something stated in the book and and thus the copyright for that section of the text belongs with them" plus the entire letter has relevance in this case as a source of reliable, and verifiable, documentation for the history of this part of the Perryverse.

I was confused by your comments. Post card? Please update Author:Forrest J. Ackerman#Kris Darkon to better explain the exact source of what is being quoted. At first I thought you were quoting something out of PR #119 as the title record you updated points to that publication but now it seems that at you received a used copy of PR #119 and with it was a postcard, mailed on on an unknown date to an unknown person but I suspect 1978. It's not clear who the post card was mailed to but I'm guessing people pre-ordered a book, possibly PR #119, and the postcard was sent to them. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:38, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Updated, I hope. Apologies for all errors. Floating cataracts, right eye, unbalancing eye sight. If still unclear will try again. Otherwise, I am comfortable that you have the gist of my commentary and will have to leave further steps, of which I am unsure are needed, to other editors. If understand correctly, the postcard and perceived intentions are now documented and someone at a later date can carry it forward if they wish. Sorry, but I will table this, unless there is a definite problem with the transcription as all wiki communication (mass writing on screen) is now annoying and I do not wish to strain the good eye. I will update only in order to shelve some books. If Bob Hall gets an active period, it could go to him as he has done a heman job on the PR series. Perhaps better tomorrow, though I will start no more long conversations. This is not a snit, in fact it is catching me flatfooted, words from doctors are words until it happens. Sorry, Harry. --Dragoondelight 00:06, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Harry - I restructured Author:Forrest J. Ackerman to have separate sections regarding his home address and the Kris Darkon pseudonym. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:04, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

wikipedia link on Master Publications imprint

I also checked the wikipedia and there is no Wendayne Ackerman page, but the Forrest J. Ackerman [24] has a section on Perry Rhodan. The next to last sentence is; "Forry later published translations of German issues #127 through #145 on his own under the Master Publications imprint." So, would that suffice?

Unfortunately, that comment on Wikipedia does not cite a source and so we have no idea if it's speculation on a fan's part or is based on something Forrest stated explicitly. These sorts of things are useful strings to pull to see if we can arrive at the facts and so I would document them as data points on the golden brick road while also acknowledging that they may be leading us in the entirely wrong direction. The postcard you found is an excellent clue that points Kris Darkon as being Forrest J Ackerman. If the post card is from Master Publications then that's even better.

FWIW, while Wikipedia does not have a Wendayne Ackerman page I found this though it's less useful than the Wikipedia article as the page fails to cite sources entirely. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:59, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

summary and notes on "uncredited"

Sorry for the nag, and possibly I did not fully understand your reply. I took it as a no, and a further no will leave me totally requited. LOL. In other words, just trying to find a solution to the 'uncredited' when we know better, but can find little ammuntition to do so. I am not trying to circumvent policy as such, but trying to give the users the tools to understand the why/what of this uncommon publishing situation. Of course, after checking the whole series I would rate Ackerman a D as an editor, because he left many questions and created round robin problems to deal with. LOL Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:47, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

No problem at all. The core thing to keep in mind is that we are trying to keep ISFDB, and particularly publication records, based on verifiable facts. 99% of the time the process is just a mechanical entering and double checking of author and artist credits, publisher names, etc. We try to veer as little as possible into speculative territory when it comes to what we enter into the database.

You would think that as a fan Ackerman would have been interested in organizing and tidying things up. The good news is that he was popular enough that people did save miscelania such as postcards, books, and other material he contributed too.

A solution to "uncredited" is to document what you know and to set up the variant titles based on that. Later, someone may disagree with your conclusions, will add evidence that supports their position, and would change the variant titles. Hopefully the pseudonym editor comes on line soon and we'll be able to change those as easily as the variant titles. I thought the code was already done but apparently it was never released. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:31, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Planet of Judgment

Scanned in a cover image for [this] and added notes. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:52, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:BibHeader

It seems that in {{BibHeader}} and {{AuthorHeader}} we have created tow near duplicate templates -- at least two templates intended for the same purpose. I suggest that we merge the desired functionality into one of them, and make the outer a redirect. I note that {{BibHeader}} does not support the altName mechanism, and thus cannot be used on any disambiguated author names like Colin_Harvey_(1971-) or D._F._Jones_(US). -DES ^Talk 13:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I saw that too the other day and made a note to merge them but was undecided if Author or Bib is better as a prefix. FWIW, I have been using the name AuthorHeader recently simply as I remember its name based on the namespace name and not out of preference for the argument support or the contents of the header box.

I just looked at the two and feel the header and logic for "AuthorHeader" is better. While AuthorHeader's help is more complete I like the wording of the BibHeader help. The placement of the author name in AuthorHeader is disconcerting.

Something that seems consistent would be:

• {{BioHeader}} on [[Bio:Name]] pages.
• {{AuthorHeader}} on [[Author:Name]] pages.
• {{PublisherHeader}} on [[Publisher:Name]] pages.
• {{PubHeader}} on [[Publication:Tag]] pages. Add a redirect for {{PublicationHeader}}?
• Continuing this we would add {{SeriesHeader}} for [[Series:Tag/record]] pages. Maybe that's missing as at present there's no cgi to map a series name to record number via the URL.

I've sometimes found myself on one of the namespace pages and wondering which was the correct header for that page. I'd try a few names, getting red links, give up, put anything there knowing you'll come along in a minute and fix it. :-) It was particularly frustrating recently as the template I wanted had not been included in Category:Header Templates...

I'm all for then adding redirects for the permutations as some people remember the names by function such as {{BiographyHeader}}, {{BibliographyHeader}}, {{BibliographicCommentsHeader}}, plus versions with the space in the name such as {{Author Header}}. If we ever get better conditional support then a plain {{Header}} can do the trick.

Feel free to merge away. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:16, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

I have implemented the old-style conditionals with {{Qif}}, {{ifdef}}, and {{ifndef}}, it is maore akward to code than the built-in ParserFunctions-based :If conditions, and it can cause performance problems on huge wikis like wikipedia, but it does work. Look at the coding of {[tl|AuthorHeader}} if you want to see it in action. I am dubious about a theoretical {{Header}} however, because the Publisher: Namespace, at least, requres an argument for {{PublisherHeader}}, and there are alternates for "verified" publisher and Imprints that can't be detected from the namespace alone. Still it is a thought. I'll see about merging the existing author templates, and creating some redirects. -DES ^Talk 20:31, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Merge done, and all the redirects you suggested have been created. However I did not create the multi-function {{header}}, nor {{SeriesHeader}}, the latter because the linking template {{Series}}, at least as currently implemented, requires a record number. I'll have to think about that one. -DES ^Talk 21:20, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you David. It turns out that linking to series by name works. However, I don't understand the argument parsing logic well enough to clone AuthorHeader into SeriesHeader and possibly editing {{series}} to support {{series|Series Name}} like how {{a}} works. --Marc Kupper|talk 22:03, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Since series get renamed rather more often than authors, i think it would be better to use an ID numbers if possible. But perhaps better support for name links can be provided in those templates. -DES ^Talk 23:23, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:Series

Template:Series looks pretty good, but if you are going to support a parameter altname as well as altName, it must be supported at each use. I have made the needed change. -DES ^Talk 23:46, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Please do not remove altName support unless you are willing to require (and document the requirement) that users link by record number to any series with a special character in the name. There are currently 282 series with an "(" in their title, and 303 with a single quote. Other unsupported characters probably occur also. -DES ^Talk 00:53, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I have fixed Template:Series to support {{Series|id=123}}

Parameters for SeriesHeader‎ and PubSeriesHeader‎

Please note that {{SeriesHeader}}‎ and {{PubSeriesHeader‎}}, as currently coded, do not support unnamed parameters -- the name and id parameters must be explicitly specified with "name=" and "id=". this is so that the conditional code can test for the presence or absence of the id parameter.

Yep, I was just thinking about that and about how many permutations I want to support. At minimum I see

• {{SeriesHeader}} will link using {{Series|{{PAGENAME}}}}
• {{SeriesHeader|id=record}} will use {{Series|id=record|name={{PAGENAME}}}}

Other combinations are possible and I'm thinking if Altname support is not needed given we have ID and NAME. Something that may simplify the logic is to always call Series with ID and NAME as it'll work just fine if you happen to call it with a name in the ID field. Thank you for the altName/altname fix. I'd stolen that from {{a}} which I see you just fixed and wondered how it could work...

I forgot to sign but also the brain is fried for now. I'll deal with updating SeriesHeader later unless you want to tackle it. I'm thinking these are possible.

1. {{SeriesHeader}} will use {{Series|{{PAGENAME}}}}
2. {{SeriesHeader|something}} will use {{Series|something}}
3. {{SeriesHeader|id=record}} will use {{Series|id=record|name={{PAGENAME}}}}
4. {{SeriesHeader|id=record|something}} will use {{Series|id=record|name=something}}
5. {{SeriesHeader|id=record|name=something}} will use {{Series|id=record|name=something}}

I need to think about if AltName as a SeriesHeader argument is needed but think not and if we want to support NAME with no ID. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:30, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

altName support is needed, if we are to link by name, here are a few examples:

• Andromeda (anthologies)
• Angel (Kilworth)
• Animals in the Wild (childrens non-genre)
• Anthologys (non-genre)
• Arthurian sequence (Wein)
• Assiti Shards (1632)
• Assiti Shards (Other)
• Astounding / Analog (1937-1971)
• Author, Author! (Future Science Fiction)
• Author, Author! (Science Fiction Stories)

Anchorencode will not work correctly on any name with a parenthesis or a single quote included, and is not guaranteed safe on any character outside A-Z, a-z, and 0-9

Or I suppose we could require the use of a record number for such series titles.

If you want to retain the unlinked option and the conditional code, then I don't think this one can default to the pagename (for {{PubSeriesHeader}} that option is essential, as there often isn't an actual db series record to link to). That option can be dispensed with, i suppose, in which case one could link to ID, which if unspecified defaults to name, which if unspecified defaults to the first parameter, which if unspecified defaults to PAGENAME ({{{id|{{{name|{{{1|{{PAGENAME}}}}}}}}}}}) plus conditionals for altName similar to those in {{AuthorHeader}}. -DES ^Talk 00:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

That makes sense. I was doing some testing of the various permutations and for {{Series|id=16601}} which is a rather common current usage. It linked to record 16601 but the name "altname" rather than the expected "16601." I thought about fixing that by putting altname in the outer wrapper but need to think about the various permuations of possible ways to call the thing that make sense. The only ones we really care about, and don't want to break, are

1. {{Series|16601}} - 16601 should show as 16601 - This usage is common.
2. {{Series|23113|Fox}} - Fox should show as Fox - this usage is common.
3. {{Series|2402|name=Anthi}} - Anthi should show as Anthi - this usage is not as common but is in use.
4. {{Series|Blade_Double}} - Blade_Double should show as Blade_Double - this usage is rare but is in use and would be the same as the first usage.
5. {{Series|id=2402|name=Anthi}} - Anthi should show as Anthi - this usage is rare but is generated by Template:PubSeriesHeader.

It looks like only case #2 is broken at the moment. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:25, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Case 2 fixed. Good to specify the cases. -DES ^Talk 01:42, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Don't forget the cases:

• {{Series|altName=Angel_(Kilworth)}} gives Angel_(Kilworth)
• {{Series|altname=Angel_(Kilworth)}} gives Angel_(Kilworth)
• {{Series|altName=Angel_(Kilworth)|name=Angel (Kilworth)}} gives Angel (Kilworth)
• {{Series|altname=Angel_(Kilworth)|name=Angel (Kilworth)}} gives Angel (Kilworth)

Thank you on the #2 fix - Here's what I'm thinking of for generating the URL and name parts of our link. Does this make sense?

• URL part - altname overrides altName overrides id overrides {{{1}}}
• name part - altname overrides altName overrides name overrides id overides {{{2}}} overides {{{1}}}

Dinner - be back in a while. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:47, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

What I have now is

• URL: altName overrides altname overrides id overrides {{{1}}} overrides name
• Display text: name overrides {{{2}}} overrides {{{1}}} overrides id overrides altName overrides altname

the order of altName and altname is irrelevant, because they should never be specified together. name must be in the URL sequence to support the case where name is the only paramater. 2 and 1 must override id in the name parameter to handle cases 2 & 3 above correctly. I think all is now correct. -DES ^Talk 02:12, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Perfect. I thought about the current logic vs. what I had proposed above and the current logic will do well and seems intuitive enough. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:31, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:BC

I see you recently created Template:BC. It seems to me that this largely duplicates {{PubHeader}} although it is not in a header style. Should it be converted to a redirect to {{PubHeader}}, or should it be retained for cases where a non-header style is desired, and documented as an alternative on the PubHeader doc page, and on Help:List of ISFDB Templates? -DES ^Talk 14:44, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I changed the one publication that used {{BC}} to use {{PubHeader}} and have deleted BC. At the time I added BC the PubHeader template did not exist. I was also thinking more along the lines of having the template name match the function of the page (Publication Bibliographic Comments), wanted the name to be short, and also wanted the name to be easy to remember. I like the new XxxHeader form much better as it seems it's much more likely people will remember the names plus with the alias/redirects they can guess at a reasonable name and even if they get the wrong header then can they quickly find the right one via the category.

Can we do conditional logic based on if someone viewing a page is logged into the wiki? As the headers are new something that may encourage their use is to add a boilerplate "Please see header templates for more information about this header" to the end of each of the header templates (template the boilerplate). The goal is to both make people aware of the templates and also to make it easy to find them. Only people that are logged in would need to see this. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:24, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

If there is a way for templates to display differently based on whether the viewer is logged in I don't know of it. It would be possible to put some text into a special CSS class that would display differently depending on a user's individual style sheets, but that wouldn't make a difference unless we got all regular users to edit their personal monobook.css files. We can add the boilerplate if you like, but everyone will see it. It is apparently also possible to change the DB code so that when someone goes to a wiki page via one of the db links, and that page doesn't yet exist, it will be preloaded with the proper header template. A feature request for this is already on file, and it would help i think. -DES ^Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Note that some of the headers, such as {{BioHeader}} have been around for months. -DES ^Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

It would have been possible to make BC into another alias for PubHeader, and that could still be done if you wish -- redirects are cheap. -DES ^Talk 12:22, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

On further research i found this mediawiki help page It shows how to create a special CSS class that has different properties for logged-in and not-logged-i users, at the cost of editing a site-level file to create the style. I think any admin can do this. Then a span tag using the named style could have a "no-display" setting if the user was not-logged in, but display normally for logged-in users. I will test to see if this can be made to work. -DES ^Talk 14:23, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for the hunt. In terms of BC - I did not like adding yet another two letter template to the list of things people would need to remember plus at the time I added that I was thinking we need to sit back a moment and come up with a consistent naming system as both author and publication records can link to bibliographic comments pages.

An alternative for detecting logged in users would be extension variables and adding something such as {{LOGGEDIN}} --Marc Kupper|talk 14:58, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I had already seen at the magic words page that custom variables could be created. But that would require someone with write access to the live wiki config files (Al or Ahas, I think that means in practice) to make the change. I was hoping to avoid that. -DES ^Talk 15:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

It looks as if the new-style solution would still have to be done in the php file for each skin, not the css file, and so would require someone with site-level access. How horrid would it be to add the bolierplate in a normal way, so everyone could see it? -DES ^Talk 16:13, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I have created Help:Header Templates, which might be linked to in your suggested boilerplate in each header. -DES ^Talk 19:28, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

I knew it would take either Al or Ahasuerus to do the style solution which is why I suggested magic words which would seem to be more intuitive to someone looking at one of the header templates. It's probably not that huge of a deal of the message is visible to everyone as few non-logged in people are likely to even be looking at the comments pages. If we template it then it'll be easy to remove the message should it become an issue.

I moved the new help file to Help:Header templates (lower case "t" for the second word) to make the name consistent with other help page names. It turns out nearly existing links are a mix of Help:Header templates and Help:Header Templates. --Marc Kupper|talk 20:17, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Creating a new magic word would also, i think, require either Al or Ahasuerus to edit several system files. I will implement the boilerplate. -DES ^Talk 20:41, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Bolierplate added. -DES ^Talk 21:33, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

River of Eternity

I added the Author's Introduction to the contents of this verified pub. I try to be complete. Thanks Willem H. 20:40, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

Also added some more notes after this Willem H. 20:18, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Conditionals

These are some notes to myself to play with some of the conditionals

{{!}}	Used to encode "|" within template and parser function parameters such as to generate tables.
{{Ifdef}}	{{Ifdef|value|result}} - if value is not empty then return result.
{{Ifndef}}	{{Ifndef|value|result}} - if value is empty then return result.
{{Qif}}	{{Qif|test=value|then=result1|else=result2}} - if value is not empty then return result1 otherwise return result2. The else part is optional.
{{Switch}}	Switch statement.
{{Booleq}}	{{Booleq|value1|value2}} - If value1 is the same as value2 then return 1 otherwise return nothing.

--Marc Kupper|talk 14:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

FYI, there are others available on Wikipedia that I didn't copy here, and i haven't tested all of the above. Some of them are in use, check what-links-here for each to see where. -DES ^Talk 15:08, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Soviet SF

Mark, you left a note with the entry about the 1962 Collier edition of Asimov's SOVIET SCIENCE FICTION [25] about a later printing. I added page numbers to this entry and a note about a different printing with different colors used on the cover. Is this the 1964 printing to which you refer?Don Erikson 21:31, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Science Fiction Century

I have a copy of Science Fiction Century which does not have a price printed on it, that otherwise appears to match your verified copy. This might be the answer to what a 'co-publication' means, as the copyright page has a full numberline, etc. If your dust jacket has a price in the usual location then I have a BOMC/BCE copy. Could you check when next you get a chance? - Thanks Kevin 01:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

I'd need to do some digging to get that one in my hands but am pretty sure the price is on the front flap otherwise I would have added a note explaining where I found it. I see that has an Amazon Look Inside which shows the retail edition with the price on the flap and so I added a note to the verified publication record about this. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:22, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Good enough for me... confirms that I've got a hardcover BOMC edition that isn't listed at Locus. Based on the Co-Publication line, I'm gonna date it at the same time as the trade HC with a note. Thanks! Kevin 03:27, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Mildred Clingerman and agents

I have frequently seen on copyright pages notices of the form "Written by X; Reprinted by permission of Y" where it was clear that Y was an agent, rahte than that X was a pesud of Y. In particular when Y was "Scott Meredith" or "Pohl". I think it is unsafe to conclude merely from such a notice that a pesud relationship has been disclosed. -DES ^Talk 14:47, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

True and so I rewrote the Clingerman note. I need to get back to that particular project and to clean up the remaining pages but am concentrating on dealing with some easier to deal with books for a while. That anthology has fifty stories and more than half of them turn out to have X and Y stuff.

BTW - do you know of any decent, and free, OCR software? More specifically, something that'll work on Windows 2000 but I can speak XP if needed. To speed up dealing with Fifty Short Stories I took photos of the acknowledgment pages and it'd be great if I could OCR the pages and then the project, after wikifying, is to verify that the OCR was accurate. --Marc Kupper|talk 00:00, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I have some OCR software that I bought used. Not free, but low-cost, adn i can make a copy of the installation disk if you want. Since the manufaturer no longer sells this version, and you wouldn't be a customer for a new, full-price version anyway, I see no harm in such a technical copyright violation. I got it for use on Project Gutenbeg/Distributed proofreaders, adn it is good enough for both text and illos there. -DES ^Talk 00:17, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Ancient My Enemy [2]

Added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 16:50, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

StarMother by Van Scyoc

I've updated your verified copy of this title, adding the price and month of publication, based on info from the SFBC announcement flyer. MHHutchins 23:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The Worlds of Science Fiction -- deleted a REM title

Morning!. This. [26]. I second verified you and did a Tuck confirmation also. I submitted a del for the 'rem' Heinlein title you corrected. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:39, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

Alpha Two

Scanned in an image and added some notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 02:37, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Shatter Zone

Added wrap around cover art to Shatter Zone. Also wondering about the publisher credit.. .seems to me it should be 'Gold Eagle / Worldwide' or something similar. Thoughts? - Thanks Kevin 01:33, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Hunter of Worlds

Scanned in a cover image, added the interior art and slightly expanded the notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 15:09, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - as it is, I never marked it as verified in my DB. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:31, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Garan the Eternal

Another piece of the DAW puzzle: the verified record of [this], by Mr. Longley, has the printing statement as one of those "First printing/second printing/..." types that were around in the very early editions. I just picked up a first CDN copy that has simply "First Printing, March, 1973". I have yet to see a single copy with the previous style of printing statement and am pretty sure the CDN printings never used that format. FYI ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:43, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

I agree with you and am pretty sure Canadian copies never used the spelled out "number line." I am surprised though that your March 1973 book does not have a number line. --Marc Kupper|talk 09:05, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Likewise, but then I don't have that many early DAWs, though I'm not sure. Do you have some kind of spread sheet yet that lists maybe the first couple of years? Maybe something like the SFBC pages, with columns for US & CDN printings. A lot of patterns are much easier to see that way. I know that WillemH has quite a number of DAWs, he figured over 450, and could probably add some data. ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:32, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The first CDN DAW with a number line seems to be in April '73. I have #45 & #48 without and #51 & 53 with a number line. None previous to #51, and I find I have 15 CDN printings and about 10 US, have a printing line. ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:59, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I have a spreadsheet and just used the "mail user" function. If you get the e-mail then you can reply back and I'll e-mail it to you. Another option is I can post it on a web site. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:40, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Got your e-mail and responded, then realized your 'spam' filter might boot the message as my e-mail address starts with a number. FYI ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:14, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

My filters auto-whitelist anything that mentions what I call "interesting words." That includes ISFDB. They get dropped into a folder named "Possibly interesting mail from strangers." You should have the spreadsheet by now. --Marc Kupper|talk 05:20, 30 August 2009 (UTC)

The Nine Billion Names of God 5th printing - difference

Morning! This. [27]. I have the same printing and everything matches except I have "Encounter at Dawn", not "Encounter in the Dawn" as does the 11th printing. Please check. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 15:19, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Good eye. This will take a while to check as the book is mis-filed. I've changed the name to "Encounter at Dawn" and I'll park this in the queue to re-check when my copy resurfaces. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:24, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Tactics of Mistake -- cover image

I added this image to your verified Tactics of Mistake. Discovered it while looking for the cover of a different edition. It has the same catalogue number and price as cited in the entry. --MartyD 10:43, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I have put it on hold until Marc gets a chance to check the cover. Ahasuerus 17:18, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Thanks - I had the book right on my desk. :-) Update approved. The reason for the OCLC note is that the catalog # is on the cover, ISBN is on the spine, and there is no barcode. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:10, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

The Overlords of War -- Cover image

On The Overlords of War the amazon cover image link was broken. I found a working link based on the notes you left. I copied the image at that link, uploaded it to the wiki, and linked it to the pub record. Please double check that this is the correct cover. -DES ^Talk 21:59, 8 September 2009 (UTC)

Kiernan story in Mammoth Book of Best New Horror, Volume Twelve

I had a submission that wanted to make variants of two slightly different titles of Caitlin R. Kiernan's story in this anthology. Can you check your verified copy of this book to see how the story is titled? (It originally didn't have the parenthetical phrase or was spelled "Waterworks". I can't recall which.) I merged all of the titles under this one because it matched OCLC records. Locus1 gives the year in the title as "1988" which doesn't match any OCLC records so I'm pretty sure they're wrong. Thanks. MHHutchins 05:26, 9 September 2009 (UTC)

My book has In the Water Works (Birmingham, Alabama 1888) on the copyright, table of contents, and story title page. The page headers use In the Water Works. I double checked that the publication uses "Water Works" and not "Waterworks" and that it's 1888. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:54, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Grant story in The Giant Book of Best New Horror

Can you check to see if "One Life in an Hourglass" in this anthology may have a comma in the title? I'm holding a submission which wants to make it a variant of the record that does have a comma, and I wanted to be sure before I accepted it. Thanks. MHHutchins 23:40, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

It looks like that one is misplaced. I remember pulling it out to look something up meaning it must be in the room... I approved the VT. I suspect my copy has the comma and if so, I'll merge it back. Fortunately, it seems the story only appeared in the anthology I have meaning the merge-back will be straightforward. --Marc Kupper|talk 06:57, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

Added cover credit

I added cover credit for verified [28] from the book THE ART OF RICHARD POWERS by Jane Frank and made a note of it.Don Erikson 05:41, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

Community Portal archive link

We actually already had a link to the archives -- when the link to the Development page was added, it was placed below the archive link. I have removed the redundant link.

FYI subpage links are enabled or disabled on a namespace by namespace basis. I suspect we have just accepted the default, which disables such in the "Project" namespace. Al or Ahasuerus could, i think, change this for any particular namespace, but it may not be worth the trouble. -DES ^Talk 14:35, 18 September 2009 (UTC)

That odd - yep, there it is. I thought I did a search for the word "Archive" using FireFox but maybe I did a visual scan in the normal places and did not spot it tucked in above Development. I thought it was surprising the Archive link was missing as I knew it used to be there. I then checked the past couple of archives to see if someone had accidentally archived the archive-link...

Thanks for the heads up on the sub-page links. I thought I knew the syntax though am surprised it's /name vs. the more intuitive ./name as ../name is supported. --Marc Kupper|talk 01:13, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

The Martian Chrnicles - artist Ian Miller

Morning! This. [29]. Just to enliven our days I have the 60th above and you have the 61st, [30]. Problem is we have the same artist, though the art has changed. Would you please check your cover for a signature. My notes have what I found, which gives me some doubt that it is Ian Miller. Cheers. I forgot yours is probably stored, so I hope you have a small tbr list, there is NO hurry, as apparently the rules state that no matter the signature we must use the copyright page. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:16, 19 September 2009 (UTC)

I have that one handy along with the 42nd printing^[31] which has different artwork. There's no signature on the cover of the 61st printing. The 60th printing is definitely Ian Miller work and the 61st is almost sure not to be. I've e-mailed Ian to see if he has ideas on the 61st.

"as apparently the rules state that no matter the signature we must use the copyright page" I added a note explaining why it's likely to not be an Ian Miller work. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:00, 21 September 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:50, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Destiny's Road

Added a note about artist credits to [this] and scanned in a cover image to replace the ZZZZZZZZZ one. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:07, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

Perilous Dreams

Added a note to [this] re: Contento listing it under the wrong publisher (has ACE for some reason??) Sent an e-mail to the site. ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:08, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

ACE Dbl d-381

Added second artist courtesy ACE Image Library (with note) to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:18, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Approved as part of other arcane manipulations; please note that Emsh's name has been expanded to "Ed Emshwiller". Ahasuerus 04:04, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

"Arcane Manipulations"?¿?¿ Didn't know I could do those.... ;-) ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:44, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Gentle Giants of Ganymede - added cover/notation

Afternoon! This. [32]. I added a cover image, [33], and notation. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 19:48, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Three Against the Witch World

Scanned in anew image and added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 01:41, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Overlords of War - Artist uncredited?

Morning! This. [34]. I seem to have the same copy, but my copyright page has "Cover art by Karel Thole" and the illustration opposite the title page has "Jg" at bottom right. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:49, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Gods Themselves -- cover image

I added this image to your transient-verified The Gods Themselves, matching my copy of the same edition. --MartyD 17:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

The Day of the Klesh - added notation/contents

Morning! This. [35]. I added notation and a contents entry for interior art after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 13:56, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

A Science Fiction Argosy

You have a secondary verification of this pub. My copy has The Cure is by Kuttner and Moore rather than Padgett. Apology To Inky is by Robert M. Green, Jr. rather than Green with no Jr.--swfritter 16:53, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Hunter of Worlds

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 21:03, 29 September 2009 (UTC)

Elric Covers

I added a cover scan to your verified pub THSLRNTHSS1983. Thanks. ~Ron --Rtrace 12:23, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

also THWRDWHTWL1983 --Rtrace 12:27, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

and LRC04VNSHN1983 --Rtrace 12:34, 30 September 2009 (UTC)

The Star Mill

Upgraded the image and added a couple of notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:41, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Genius Unlimited

Added the month of publication (from Jaffery's Retrospective) and an artist note to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 03:28, 2 October 2009 (UTC)

Dates of "The Road to the Sea" and "Bokko-Chan" in The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories

In your verified The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories the date of The Road to the Sea is listed as 1989. Locus cites it as 1981 from Proteus from which we have 95258 with Judith Merrill and Tetsu Yano as translators, both of whom are also cited as the translators in the Locus entry. Does your pub agree with the information from Locus, or is there perhaps a different translation than the 1981 one at work? --MartyD 16:17, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Similar question, another title: In the same pub is also Bokko-Chan, dated 1989. Locus cites it as translated by Saito and published in the June 1963 F&SF, from which we have 74564. But this one doesn't say anything about the translator on the earlier title. Thanks. --MartyD 21:53, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

"Python Error When Review Deleted"

I wonder if Bug 1743295 is still a problem. Have you run into it lately, perchance? Ahasuerus 02:56, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

That may have been the last time I deleted a review. There's enough detail in the original report that we could set up a test. As we have the date we may even be able to find the submission blob and do do the exact same delete on a backup copy of the db. --Marc Kupper|talk 04:33, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

I ran a few checks on the local server and everything seemed to work OK. I suspect that the relevant parts of the application have been rewritten a few times since 2007 and the current version doesn't have this problem, but it's hard to be sure since we don't delete Review records very often. Ahasuerus 01:08, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

The Light that Never Was

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace a broken Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 15:21, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Dinotopia Lost

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 18:59, 7 October 2009 (UTC)

Kurtz's The Quest for Saint Camber

Can you double-check the ID number printed on the back of the dustjacket of this SFBC edition? It's possible that the number here came from the original record based on the listing in Locus1. Considering they were only using 5-digit numbers in 1987, there's a chance the last digit is incorrect. Thanks. MHHutchins 19:39, 8 October 2009 (UTC)

Beanstalk

Scanned in a new image and expanded the notes slightly for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:59, 13 October 2009 (UTC)

Shock Wave/Envoy to the Dog Star

Changed a note that read: "The frontispieces for both titles have interior art that is uncredited and unsigned" to "The frontispieces for both titles are uncredited and unsigned". Got the drift of the original but it just didn't read right. [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:39, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Vertigo - added a cover image/ start page number

Morning! This. [36]. I added a cover image, [37], and start page number after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:32, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Ragged Astronauts - added cover image

Morning! This. [38]. I added a cover image, [39], after matching my copy to your ver. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 12:41, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

Expedition to Earth

Added "About Arthur C. Clarke" to this pub.--swfritter 16:19, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

The Shattered Chain

I added this cover scan to this verified pub. Thanks, Willem H. 09:38, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Brother Assassin

Scanned in a cover image for [this] and added an artist note. ~Bill, --Bluesman 18:03, 16 October 2009 (UTC)

Re: Non-SF Cleanup 2004

Hi Marc, I've reviewed all of 2004[40] and anything linked to these titles, can you run a new search and see what the numbers for 2004 & 2005 look like now and if 2005 still looks high can you create a list for that year? As for what's left in 2004 most are related to graphic novel authors and this issue is still unresolved. Thanks! SeanKraang 01:53, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

DAW "spelled" number lines

I recently sent an e-mail to an AbeBooks seller regarding a listing of a "Tenth Printing" just to let him know about DAW's short-lived use of that scheme. Being a bookseller with a store and obviously too much time, he has confirmed that the "First" [through] "Tenth" system was in use at least until #47. He loves the site and was very grateful for the knowledge. Think we may have a new editor in the making...... FYI! Cheers! ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Cool! I knew about up to #47. for #48 there's no number line. I was browsing through a bookstore today and spotted this where DAW forgot to add the number line. It is an August-1982 printing per the order # (and stated printing August 1982). Other August 1982 books have the number line. --Marc Kupper|talk 10:02, 18 October 2009 (UTC)

Night Walk

FYI the link in the notes [original painting] for [this] no longer goes anywhere. Checked the website link and it works but the image no longer seems to be there. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:58, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Thank you Bill. I e-mailed his son and hopefully they will put it back up. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:45, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Shadow of Heaven

Scanned in a cover for [this], unfortunately my copy is pretty worn. Maybe your's is better?? ~Bill, --Bluesman 20:55, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

I have two copies (or rather, had one, lost it somewhere in the house, and got another...) and will see if I can dig it/them out this weekend. --Marc Kupper|talk 18:46, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Two-Timers

Scanned in an image and added notes to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:29, 19 October 2009 (UTC)

Siros vs Sirois

Hi, could you check the spelling of Al's name here http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?852525 I suspect this is A.L. Sirois AKA Al Sirois. Thanks Jonschaper 00:10, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Good eye. I corrected the artist credit so that it's Al Sirois. The publication has "Map by Al Sirois" on the copyright page with no evidence of "A.L." --Marc Kupper|talk 19:00, 20 October 2009 (UTC)

Date of "Coming Home" in The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror: Volume Twelve

I submitted a change of the publication date from 1999 to 2000 on Coming Home in your verified The Mammoth Book of Best New Horror: Volume Twelve. Taps and Sighs had been incorrectly entered with 1999, which propagated to all of the titles that originally came from it. OCLC and Locus agree on the 2000 for that pub, and I have already changed that. --MartyD 10:08, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Bug 1743289

Would you happen to remember anything about Bug 1743289? The description currently reads:

When merging titles the tags should be checked and any duplicates should be merged. At the moment duplicate tags are doubled up. Marc Kupper (talk) 23:38, 25 Mar 2007 (CDT)

I can't quite figure out what this may be in reference to. Publication tags are unique database-wide and shouldn't be affected by Title merges, but perhaps the term "tag" was used loosely (after all, it was March 2007 and we were all less experienced then) and refers to something else? Ahasuerus 02:08, 25 October 2009 (UTC)

The "Popular Tags" aka the stuff edited by edittags.cgi. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:05, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Oh, I see! Thanks! Ahasuerus 13:42, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Ironcastle

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 20:55, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

Earthman's Burden

I added this cover scan to this verified pub to replace this Amazon link. Thanks, Willem H. 18:54, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code

I added a reprint gutter code to your verified [41].Don Erikson 22:09, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code

I added a gutter code to a probable reprint of your verified [42]. I just noticed I have a copy with the other code so this is a reprint.Don Erikson 03:24, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

...and I deleted "#None" from the Catalog ID field. Ahasuerus 03:34, 1 November 2009 (UTC)

Reel Future

Notes for [this] Source of the info is Locus1, which I added in [brackets]. You may want to re-do them or leave as is. Also added one missing page number, same source. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:22, 2 November 2009 (UTC)

Date of "Road to the Sea" in The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories

Sorry, I should have asked before submitting this. I haven't had my coffee yet. I submitted a merge affecting the date of "Road to the Sea" in your verified The Best Japanese Science Fiction Stories, changing it from 1989 to 1981. We have the 1981 record from Proteus: Voices for the 80's, and its notes cite Judith Merrill with Tetsu Yano as the translators. The Locus content list for your pub cites those same two translators and that pub for this story. --MartyD 12:08, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Now I really know I haven't had my coffee.... I did ask before and now have failed to wait for an answer for half of that question. :-( --MartyD 12:14, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Added gutter code

I added the gutter code to your verified [43].Don Erikson 20:16, 5 November 2009 (UTC)

Added Cover Scan Nebula 22

I added a cover scan to your verified [44] Nowickj 18:55, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Map of Compact Space

I would like to merge several title records which I believe refer to the same piece of interior art, entitled "Map of Compact Space", that is included in some of C. J. Cherryh's Chanur novels. You are one of the verifiers whose pub records (this and this) would be affected by the change. Before making the merge I need to make sure that all titles refer to the same piece of art. A scan of the map can be found here (link points to my personal website; once the issue has been resolved I will remove the scan so that no copyright is violated). Unless you think my proposal is a bad idea in the first place, could you please verify whether the scan matches the map you have in your publication? You may wish to read the help desk discussion leading up to this request. Thanks for your time, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 22:48, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm fine with a merge

• You asked about Chanur's Venture. I should be able to dig this one up tomorrow.
• You also asked about Chanur's Homecoming. Unfortunately, I marked this as being on shelf #0 and am wondering where that is in the house. I looked above shelf #1 without luck...

I found these. All have the same art as your scanned image but without the speckling that's in your image. The background is solid white and the stars are solid black. Maybe you added this so that the image is more in line with "fair use" as far as copyright goes.

• Chanur's Homecoming. I verified this edition.
• Chanur's Legacy. You verified this one.
• The Kif Strike Back. Verified by Dcarson. --Marc Kupper|talk 10:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

An interesting argument against living in a house (as opposed to living in a flat): Too much space for bookshelves :-) -- Herzbube ^Talk 11:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I can read the phrase "Too much space for bookshelves" but it does not compute. How can one ever have too much space? (Says the guy moving to a larger house just so he can fit more books in). BLongley 21:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

The speckling in the image is not something I put there on purpose - it's just the lousy quality of the xerox/scanner machine at my wife's office :-) I have been thinking about buying my own scanner, but I only want something that is strictly plug&scan. No fiddling, no installing! If you happen to have a Mac and a scanner that you can recommend...Herzbube ^Talk 11:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

I've no idea how well it would work with a Mac, but I'm very happy with the Lexmark 6300 series. I got mine a few years ago as a long-service award from my employers, and while I don't use the printing capability a lot the scanning capability has been used several times a day for months now. BLongley 21:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

And finally: Yes, there are other verifiers involved in this whole issue, 5 others besides you and me, to be exact (Dragoondelight, Willem H., Rtrace, Dcarson and Bluesman). I have contacted them all, the only one I haven't got a response from yet is Dcarson. I will probably stay away from ISFDB the next few days to catch up with my other duties (e.g. find a new job), so the merge will have to wait a little bit longer. Thanks for looking into this, Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 11:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Good luck with the job hunt. BLongley 21:05, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Good luck with the job hunt! Someone borrowed the Chanur's Venture you had asked for and I'm waiting for it to get returned. While looking for the book I ran across a 1st HC of Chanur's Legacy and it also has the map. It gave me sufficient linkage between the Chanur series books that I merged the remaining map title records and created 563765.

Thanks for merging, less work for me :-) In the meantime I have received feedback from all the people involved. Several of them have confirmed that the map appearing in their publication of Chanur's Venture also matches the image I have put up for comparison. I therefore took the liberty of merging the title "Chanur's Venture (map)" with the title record you created (563765). I chose 1985 as the date for the title record because this is the earliest publication date of the map that has been verified so far.

In case you still want to check the borrowed copy of "Chanur's Venture", and that copy contains a different map, I will have to create a new variant title or something, but I think that's pretty unlikely. Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 02:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I'm also thinking it would be a good idea to upload a 600px your image and to link to it from the merged title record so that people know if it's the same image. I reduced it to 600px and it's definitely sufficiently low-res that it can't be used to make reproductions while being good enough to use for identification of the artwork. That should qualify it under fair-use. We can add a note that the image is for identification purposes only and that the original has a white background and is not speckled.

Good idea. I'm going to upload the image you sent me (it's my first upload, I first have to check guidelines/policies) and add a note to the title record. Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 02:08, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

OK, the image is uploaded here, but I'm stumped now: None of the available license templates seems to apply. Can I just put a descriptive blurb of what we intend on the image's wiki page? I have a feeling that this will not be good enough, esp. considering that I am no good with legalese English. Alternatively I could copy&paste the content of an existing license template and adapt it so that it doesn't talk about "book cover" and such. Any other ideas? Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 02:39, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

We just need to copy one of the cover image templates. I'm not sure which one is the "best" one. I'm a bit tired and so will deal with this tomorrow. --Marc Kupper|talk 08:51, 17 November 2009 (UTC)

I hacked up a copy of the cover image template and used this plus notes on Image:Map-of-compact-space.jpg. One challenge is that the intent behind the cover image template is that it's only used with one publication where in this case the artwork spans multiple titles and editions. --Marc Kupper|talk 21:36, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Marc, I greatly appreciate your help, this had definitely grown over my head!!! I have added a cross-linking note to the merged title, which hopefully concludes this map-of-compact-space business. Again, thanks a lot for your support! Patrick -- Herzbube ^Talk 10:13, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

One nice thing about the scanner you used is that it did a good job for a scan of the inside of a book. I have a flatbed scanner with a fairly wide margin around the glass meaning it's difficult to scan the inside of a book unless I'd be willing to either crack the spine or cut pages out. I don't have anything like the Kirtas APT 1200 scanner^[45] or Google's system. :-)

I thought Google had got the pigeons to do it? ;-) BLongley 20:16, 16 November 2009 (UTC)

Earth's Last Fortress/Lost in Space

New cover image[s], added both artists courtesy ACE Image Library for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)

Tha Ancient and the Ultimate

I think that woulb be a typo in all occurrencies--ErnestoVeg 17:21, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you - I see you already fixed that one. I took a harder look at the story titles for The Tragedy of the Moon and fixed "Through The Micro-Glass" to be "Through the Micro-Glass" and "Down From the Amoeba" to be "Down from the Amoeba." --Marc Kupper|talk 20:36, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Mindblocked Man

Scanned in a new image and added corroboration about the date to the notes, sources the CDN printing and Jaffery's Retrospective for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:20, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Wollheim's Best

Saw you were on earlier today. Could you have a look at [this submission?] Think it should be a new pub, doubt you'd have missed noting a later printing. ~Bill, --Bluesman 04:32, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Approved for now. The edit added pages: 280, Artists: Bernal, Notes: Stated 4th printing as per number line. DAW# 240. Catalog #UE1788. --Marc Kupper|talk 03:53, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

Nebula Awards 22 pub date

In reviewing Don Erikson's newly submitted Nebula Awards 22, which was cloned from your verified tp edition, I found Locus lists the publication date as April, 1988, which may be more accurate than Amazon's March date. I propose changing the date to that and adjusting the notes in both pubs. Let me know what you think. Thanks. --MartyD 11:26, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

ACE Dbl F-129

Changed the date of publication for [The Automated goliath/The Three Suns of Amara] Second printing of Three Suns has the date on the copyright page. ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:24, 22 November 2009 (UTC)

Earth Factor X

New image and expanded notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 00:54, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Blood of Amber broken link

Morning! This. [46]. I just 2nded your ver, but in looking for a link replacement I found [47], which you added to Amazon for the third printing. Since it is yours, I decided to tell you the 1st printing link is bust. I did not see a difference, but maybe you have. Thanks, Harry. --Dragoondelight 14:31, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Lord's Pink Ocean

New image and slightly expanded notes for [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:51, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Bow Down to Nul/Dark Destroyers

New image and cover artists, both from the ACE Image Library) for [this]. ~Bill, --Bluesman 19:48, 3 December 2009 (UTC)

The Way Back

Uploaded scan and changed data on your verified here. Hauck 12:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)

Attack from Atlantis

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 13:59, 28 March 2010 (UTC)

The Book of the Ler

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here and for The Transformer Trilogy. Hervé Hauck 10:34, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Cosmic crusaders

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 16:50, 6 April 2010 (UTC)

Cherryh's Hunter of Worlds

According to Locus #237 (September 1980), this printing was published in August 1980. Mhhutchins 17:33, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Terminal Velocity

Added a nice image, and month [Locus] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 21:02, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Wreath of Stars

Added an image [not of great quality...] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 23:27, 13 April 2010 (UTC)

Other Dimensions

Added the price [Locus1] to [this] ~Bill, --Bluesman 17:50, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Mind over ship

Replaced the amazon scan on your verified here. Hauck 15:32, 24 May 2010 (UTC)