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If you're writing to inform me that you've either added a COVER IMAGE or NOTES to any of my VERIFIED PUBS, please click HERE and add it to the bottom of the list. A link to the pub record would be appreciated. Once the pub has been reviewed, I'll remove your note from the list. Thanks. Kraang



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SF: The Year's Greatest Science-Fiction and Fantasy Second Annual Volume / Title change discussion

Please respond at GlennMcG talk. --Glenn (talk) 19:52, 1 January 2023 (EST)

Reeve - Station Zero

Hi, first off, thanks for your moderating my submissions! Out of curiousity, what went wrong with this submission where you fixed the HTML? Was it two spaces instead of one between the text and the link? That's the only difference I can see. Thanks for fixing it anyway! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 07:00, 8 January 2023 (EST)

There was an extra "< / ul >" that appeared to be the problem, since you use a similar template in notes I looked at a previous one & removed the extra. Happy to moderate submissions, took a couple of months of now I'm back.Kraang (talk) 21:26, 8 January 2023 (EST)
Ah, found it, thanks, and welcome back! Incidentally, these two submissions 5530361 and 5530366 have been hanging around for a while. I wondered if they've dropped out of moderators sight...? Kev.--BanjoKev (talk) 10:55, 9 January 2023 (EST)
Wow! Thanks! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:04, 9 January 2023 (EST)

Daniel Boring

Hi, Kraang. I have a (slightly ridiculous) question about David Boring. Back in 2009, you added the note about it being reviewed in an SF publication. Do you know which? It doesn't have any reviews listed right now. I know it's been years, but I'm curious. Thanks! —Rosab618 (talk) 03:13, 20 January 2023 (EST)

No idea now. I did a lot of cleanup of non-genre & graphic novels at the time. Possibly a link to the review has been deleted, being of a graphic novel. Now all that is left is the novel & my note. Hope this helps.Kraang (talk) 12:11, 20 January 2023 (EST)
Aha! I found it: [1]. I'll change it back to a review. —Rosab618 (talk) 12:16, 20 January 2023 (EST)
I would not change it to a review - the graphic novel is NOT eligible to be here... Annie (talk) 12:54, 20 January 2023 (EST)

La canción de Bêlit

The novel was published in Brazil, but they divided it into four parts, only volume 1 came out, how do I register?Hyju (talk) 14:16, 29 January 2023 (EST)

Add the publication in as a Chapbook and in the Regular Title section add (Part 1 of 4) or (Vol 1) after title, then make title type a serial. Are the other three parts going to be published? If not then a note would help explain it's intension to be a novel but has not been completed. Hope this helps, I'll lookout for your submission.Kraang (talk) 23:33, 29 January 2023 (EST)
the publisher's page says it would be published in two volumes, the cover artist's Facebook page says in four parts, however, only the first volume was published, nothing was said if there will be continuation. I think the illustrator is right, as the original book has 572 pages and this one has 176. In the original book, it seems to already be divided into 4 parts. Hyju (talk) 12:21, 30 January 2023 (EST)
Looking at the original (2017) Spanish text, I see the following note:
  • Robert E. Howard's [novelette] "La Reina de la Costa Negra", which is included in its entirety in this novel, was originally published in Weird Tales in May 1934 as "The Queen of the Black Coast." The Spanish translation is the work of Rodolfo Martínez [...]
This explains why the title page and the cover credit both Howard and Martínez. I suggest that we add Howard's name to the Spanish title as well as to the proposed Portuguese title.
I can also confirm that the Spanish original consists of 4 "cuarta"s ("quarters"), so it seems likely that a 176-page book would contain the first "quarter" as opposed to the first half of the original, which is 572 pages long. Furthermore, the Spanish original is 168K words long. The four "quarters" are novella length since they are under the 40K limit:
  • First "quarter" -- 19%
  • Second "quarter" -- 23%
  • Third "quarter" -- 23%
  • Fourth "quarter" -- 21%
  • Appendices, including Martínez's translation of Howard's fictionalized essay "The Hyborian Age" -- 12%
This means that Kraang's guess above is correct and they are, in ISFDB terms, SERIALs as opposed to "split novels". Ahasuerus (talk) 13:33, 30 January 2023 (EST)
Yes, the subtitle in Portuguese is "A tigresa e o leão", which is the same as "la tigresa y el léon" described as "libro primero" (first book).Hyju (talk) 19:45, 30 January 2023 (EST)

Enter the first book with as much detail you can find & I'll fix it up as best I can. I'll deal with the other submission tomorrow night when I get home. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:24, 30 January 2023 (EST)

A second book was published A canção de Bêlit: a última jornadaHyju (talk) 09:57, 1 May 2023 (EDT)

I understand, in fact the novel is divided into four parts and each book publishes two parts. Hyju (talk) 09:29, 11 May 2023 (EDT)

Pwendt for self-approver

Hi, Kraang. Happy New Year! I hope to be a self-approver imminently. I prefer to be nominated by another, but I plan to nominate myself ("Self-nomination for self-approver") sometime tomorrow if none of you, plural, is available ready and willing in the next 20 hours or so. I write to a couple others too. --Pwendt|talk 15:42, 2 February 2023 (EST)

Back form short holiday will support self-approver.Kraang (talk) 21:34, 7 February 2023 (EST)

Theodora Goss / The Thorn and the Blossom - Deletion Problem

You have processed all my submissions for this title to date but I'm now stuck on a step. As you know, I'm converting this from a Chapbook with a Novella to a Collection with two Novelettes. I now want to delete the Novella record as it has no associated pubs but I can't. When I try to "Delete This Title", I get the message "Error: 1 awards still refer to this title". There is no option to remove the Award or the Reviews so how do I go about deleting the Novella? Incidentally, I have taken a note of the Award and 5 Reviews and will import them to the container title for the Collection once it has been created. Thanks in advance for your help. Teallach (talk) 07:54, 12 February 2023 (EST)

Yes, but it seems it is the piece of shortfiction that got the award, and it should have been published somewhere (or was it handed to one of the two new titles?). Or it may be possible to link the award to the collection instead. Christian Stonecreek (talk) 09:02, 12 February 2023 (EST)
I'll have a look at this tonight. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 11:33, 12 February 2023 (EST)
Ok everything should be fixed, the award & reviews are there , except the award describes it as "Best Novelette". Maybe an explanation should be added to explain the difference.Kraang (talk) 13:38, 12 February 2023 (EST)
All looks good now, thanks. One last piece of tidying up: deletion of the old, incorrectly titled Interiorart record. I have submitted an edit to do this. I see where you're coming from regarding an explanation of the Locus award as "Best Novelette" but I have no idea why Locus considered it to be a Novelette. The approx word counts are: Brendan's Story - 10,500 and Evelyn's Story - 10,900. So even if you consider the whole work to be a single piece of fiction (which it isn't), the total word count is 21,400 hence Novella. Teallach (talk) 17:46, 12 February 2023 (EST)

Link fix

Thanks for your time fixing that wrong image link :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 07:42, 13 February 2023 (EST)

Asimov - I, Robot - by Fawcett Crest

Hi, re your PV here, this is just a heads-up to point to my discussion with Tom Taweiss regarding Fawcett covers and this 1970 printing. You might find something there for yours. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 00:53, 25 February 2023 (EST)

I'll have a look at my copy tonight and see if there is anything to add. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 12:32, 25 February 2023 (EST)


Hello, as you're in the list of moderators handling my most recent submission, can you please comment on --Stoecker (talk) 06:43, 11 March 2023 (EST)


Thanks for the work you're doing and for fixing the asterisk - don't know how that got in there... Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 22:59, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

Easy fix once I figured out what was wrong, was not obvious at first.Kraang (talk) 23:14, 4 April 2023 (EDT)

Signet -> Signet / New American Library

Any objection to changing this to Signet / New American Library

--Spacecow (talk) 04:13, 12 April 2023 (EDT)

Please submit the change. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 11:23, 12 April 2023 (EDT)


Many thanks! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 22:56, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

I'll have a go at the rest tomorrow if there still on the board. I see what you are doing but in a way that may take a bit of unmerging and re merging. I need to look at all the relevant edits before I proceed. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:06, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
Please don't take any actions further to my outstanding edits (apart from approval or not), as I'm aware of everything that needs to be done going forward and I'm tracking it all - what needs to be done in which order. Thanks again, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:26, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
OK, I'll do them now. As an alternative method just unmerge the publications & rename if necessary, then remerged with the correct title record. Generally this will have less steps. Hope this helps. :)Kraang (talk) 23:43, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
Yes, I tried considering the number of steps involved, trying to work out the most efficient (and I've unmerged/remerged in the past) but I opted for the simple one-step-at-a time approach as the whole thing is quite complex. But thanks for your considerate thought :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:47, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
Getting back to my 'pending', I see you've cleared them all. What excellent communication! Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:50, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

Happy to help. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:54, 28 April 2023 (EDT)

Impressive! Thanks again :) Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 23:20, 18 May 2023 (EDT)

Incorrect info added to database

Hello Kraang, I am one of the editors of the Brazilian magazine Histórias Extraordinárias. We have published six issues so far. The latest one was published in April 2023 and it has been added recently to the database (submission #5652271).

I noticed that two more records appeared, probably submitted by someone else but approved by you. They somehow duplicate the info (with much less detail), but incorrectly state that Histórias Extraordinárias is an ANTHOLOGY, which it is not. It is a magazine that publishes new material.

The incorrect publication records are: #950021 and #950023. We just launched all six issues in digital versions (PDF) so I believe that the submitter wants to include them. I agree that they should appear as different format, but we should at least just duplicate the existing information (which is "official" and more comprehensive) changing only the format. Can you please help us in this regard once we sort out these two "rogue" records? :)

The six magazine issues so far are the following:

Histórias Extraordinárias Magazine
Issue number detail Pub record Incorrect
Issue 1 December 2020 #913217 #950021
Issue 2 April 2021 #914003 #950023
Issue 3 August 2021 #914004
Issue 4 December 2021 #914005
Issue 5 August 2022 #915288
Issue 6 April 2023 #950024

As a side note, the latest issue is not appearing in the publication series #67858. I spotted a difference in how the title is formatted in the Title Record and submitted a change request in order to correct it (submission #5659612). I ask you to please review and apply the suitable correction. Thanks!

--Pugno (talk) 22:32, 8 May 2023 (EDT)

Sorry about the mix-up, if I had realized it was a magazine I would have left it for some one else. I'll have a look at the submission and approve if it looks ok, if I'm uncertain I'll flag it for a mod who deals more with magazines. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 23:14, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
I think the best thing to do is delete the rogue entries and the you can submit a clone of an existing pub with the necessary changes.Kraang (talk) 23:22, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
Rogue records have been deleted, just use the cloning option, this way no merging or changing title records is necessary, everything will be where it should be.Kraang (talk) 23:33, 8 May 2023 (EDT)
Thanks for your help with the rogue entries! Now I will ask you help with another matter: The latest issue (pub record #950024) does not appear listed along with the previous five. I refer to the page in the link that appears here. Can you please help with this as well? I don't know what to change in the pub info to link it to the others. Thanks!
Update: I have just submitted a clone request for the first 5 issues, changing the format to ebook and adding the format (PDF) to the notes field. I will do the same to Issue 6 once we sort out the above point. Thanks and have a good day!
--Pugno (talk) 13:07, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
All fixed just had to add the series name to the title record.Kraang (talk) 18:23, 9 May 2023 (EDT)
Perfect! Thank you very much!! Now I just created the variants for the artworks in the latest issue, and once they are approved, I will clone it to the ebook format. Thank you for all your help!!
--Pugno (talk) 19:30, 9 May 2023 (EDT)

Not a Variant

Hello Kraang, I recently submitted two title update requests because I noticed a typo in the title of a short sory and its accompaining interiorart.

Issue 1 of "Histórias Extraordinárias" magazine (December 2020) contains a short story called "Hypnos e Morfeu". However, when inserting the data months ago, I wrote "Morfeus" (with an "s") instead of "Morfeu". The story also has an interiorart which received the same name (wrong, with the 's').

I noticed the error last week and submitted two requests:

1) Submission #5661908 to change the short story title (Title Record #3076119)

2) Submission #5661909 to change the interiorart title (Title Record #3076118)

The titles are shared by the bedsheet and ebook publications (ebook is a clone of the bedsheet).

However, while for the interiorart it seems all ok, the short story lists the correct name as a variant of the old name, which it is not. The old title should be deleted and the corrected title should be kept. We should just correct the typo, not create a variant.

It currently appears as --> Variant Title of: Hypnos e Morfeus (by Marcus Garrett) [may list more publications, awards, reviews, votes and covers]

Can you please help with this?

I believe that deleting this record would be enough to break this "variant link" but I am not sure, so I am asking for your help.


--Pugno (talk) 19:41, 13 May 2023 (EDT)

I dropped the "s" on the parent title, but the variant is correct since the short story is written using an alternate name. A variant is created to the parent name "Marcus Garrett".Kraang (talk) 23:25, 13 May 2023 (EDT)
OK! I stand corrected. Thanks for fixing the issue of the extra "s". All seems to be OK now. Sorry about the inconvenience. Have a nice week! --Pugno (talk) 19:57, 15 May 2023 (EDT)

Live Free or Die

Just a note that I fixed a capitalization issue ("or" was recorded as "Or") on your verified. Annie (talk) 15:24, 23 May 2023 (EDT)



Please keep an eye for the "Language mismatch" warnings when approving imports: this should not have been approved - instead a new cover should have been created for the Dutch books and then varianted. We match the art language to the book language even when the titles are the same. I had unmerged and I am working through a series of these you approved so just dropping you a note. Thanks! Annie (talk) 13:54, 30 May 2023 (EDT)

Zebrowski - Ashes and Stars

Hello, I'm letting you know I'm adding Reginald3 ID# to your PV'd pub here. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 02:08, 2 June 2023 (EDT)

Also to The Monadic Universe. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:06, 2 June 2023 (EDT)
If just adding ID's or extra data to notes I'm fine with that , no need to notify me, but thanks anyways. :)Kraang (talk) 16:01, 3 June 2023 (EDT)

Zebrowski - The Omega Point Trilogy

Hello, with regard to your Canadian edition, I'm assuming that it's essentially the same as the US edition which has pages as viii+295. Does yours have roman numeral numbered pages? If so, I suggest they should be recorded - even though there is/might be no content needing recording - per the pages help guide. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 19:46, 2 June 2023 (EDT)

The contents are the same just the cover is different, I'll update the page number. Thanks.Kraang (talk) 16:03, 3 June 2023 (EDT)

Cat People; Some confusion here, in case you can clear it up. --Username (talk) 11:04, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

This was a stray pub, the database was full of them in the early days so I created a title record for it and moved on to the next one. The searching of databases & sellers is a lot easier now with all the links. All fixed now.Kraang (talk) 19:41, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

Zelazny - The Chronicles of Amber: Volume I

Hello, way back when, you moderated the last two submissions for this title. I can't find any justification or source for the date being 1979-01-01 instead of the Doubleday 1979-01-00. What do you think? Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 21:20, 8 June 2023 (EDT)

No idea, just slipped in, so I'll make it go back one day to 1979-01-00.Kraang (talk) 22:02, 8 June 2023 (EDT)
:) thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 22:16, 8 June 2023 (EDT)

Jack Campbell: Invincible

I have a pending submission to remove the series name from your PVed record. submission. Any problem with me finishing the approval? Phil (talk) 08:15, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

No problem change away.Kraang (talk) 10:17, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

Seedling Stars; A copy was uploaded to last fall so I've added a link in a PENDING edit but neither Open Library or Amazon seem to have the cover so maybe you'd like to upload yours or an online cover that looks like yours. --Username (talk) 08:46, 11 July 2023 (EDT)

Recent approvals.

Greetings Kraang, I've asked a new editor what makes a number of his new publication submissions eligible for inclusion. You may wish to comment here since you approved them. Thanks, John Scifibones 13:29, 12 July 2023 (EDT)

Hi! It would also be appreciated if you could keep an eye on text lengths. For example, this - with 32 pages - can't be a novel as initially approved (I changed this one to CHAPBOOK). Thanks, Christian Stonecreek (talk) 10:45, 13 July 2023 (EDT)

Magazines dating question

Hello Kraang,

Can you clarify the approved date here? We date magazines based on their cover date and if another means is used, it needs to be in the notes. That applies to magazines where Amazon may have an exact date as well... I do not see a note explaining the dating. Thanks! Annie (talk) 14:18, 14 July 2023 (EDT)

Deal so little with magazines I forget about all the different rules, only approved the edit to get the stories. Please change the date to what it should be, I'll try to be more careful with magazine submissions in the future or I might just avoid magazine submissions altogether no matter how correct it looks. THanks!Kraang (talk) 16:17, 14 July 2023 (EDT)
I will work with the editor - they seem to have changed the date similarly in more than one magazine. Thanks! Annie (talk) 17:31, 14 July 2023 (EDT)

Joe Haldeman / Camouflage - Cover Image

I am editing and PVing Camouflage. The Amazon image on this pub record is Artwork A whereas my copy has Artwork B. Can you please check your copy. If you agree, I will scan my cover, upload it and also correct the coverart record. Teallach (talk) 18:56, 21 July 2023 (EDT)

Mine has the correct cover image ArtwokA.Kraang (talk) 21:12, 21 July 2023 (EDT)
Had a better look & it's similar to ArtworkA but a bit different, but not at all like ArtworkB, will have to upload mine or find new Amazon image. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 21:17, 21 July 2023 (EDT)
Replace image from Amazon with correct cover, will do a scan of covers in the future & replace this and some others.Kraang (talk) 21:22, 21 July 2023 (EDT)
The new Amazon image to which you have linked is the correct cover and it is Artwork B; it's just that the hb cover is much darker than the pb and ebook covers. The image is not ideal because it has the "Copyrighted Material" watermarks at top and bottom. Let me know whether you'd like me to upload and link a scan from my copy or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Also, the pub record needs to have the current Artwork A coverart record removed and the Artwork B coverart record imported. Again, please let me know whether you'd like me to submit edits for this or whether you'd prefer to do it yourself. Teallach (talk) 11:18, 22 July 2023 (EDT)
Please go ahead and upload your cover, plus all the necessary changes. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 12:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)
I have submitted the first 3 of 5 edits. I will submit the last 2 after the first 3 have been processed. Teallach (talk) 16:48, 22 July 2023 (EDT)

Gaiman/Pratchett - Ein gutes Omen

Hi, this submission of mine was wrong. Don't know what happened there, may have mistakenly pressed enter or a browser hickup. Was intended for the 3rd printing of the Piper edition, which i've entered separately. As the faulty one was approved too, i have corrected it to an entry for the first printing [2]. Please take a look. Welo (talk) 02:57, 22 July 2023 (EDT)

No problem approved. Thanks!Kraang (talk) 09:21, 22 July 2023 (EDT)

The Hounds of God

You recently moderated this publication but did not take account of the note I made in reference to the cover art credit which is still wrong - shows Kevin Eugene Johnson not Steve Crisp. I can't edit the credit to the correct one since it's linked to the 'other' cover (the one by Johnson) that is decidedly not the same as the Steven Crisp cover. Take note that Steven Crisp and Steve Crisp are one and the same person. If you could use your moderation wand to sort that out that'd be great. --Mavmaramis (talk) 01:15, 28 July 2023 (EDT)

to fix this I'll unmerge the incorrect cover then change to Steven Crisp and last create variant to parent name Steve Crisp.Kraang (talk) 10:27, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
There was an existing record for this cover[3] under Steven Crisp name already variated to the parent name so I just merged the two records.Kraang (talk) 10:34, 28 July 2023 (EDT)
I was aware of the pb edition but, obviously, couldn't edit the incorrect data for the hardback edition. Thanks dfor waving your magic wand over that and sorting it out. --Mavmaramis (talk) 15:17, 28 July 2023 (EDT)

Impact-20;; I'd like to replace Impact-20 Amazon cover with Bookscans cover, color is less faded, if that's OK. --Username (talk) 09:21, 28 July 2023 (EDT)

Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2

● Can you please check your copy of Alpha Yes, Terra No! / The Ballad of Beta-2? According to Paperback Fantastic, Volume 1: Science Fiction the cover of The Ballad of Beta-2 is by Jack Gaughan, who is credited with Alpha Yes, Terra No! instead. Before permanent credit is assigned, I would like to know. MLB (talk) 23:59, 29 August 2023 (EDT)

The crediting is correctly stated but the cover credited to Ed Vligursky does not have the usual red color somewhere on the main character.Kraang (talk) 00:22, 30 August 2023 (EDT)
Well okay. I think I got that attribution straightened out. MLB (talk) 02:41, 2 September 2023 (EDT)

This World Is Taboo

Please see this conversation which would impact your verified Ace Books edition. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 06:45, 1 October 2023 (EDT)

Pillar of Fire; Title is missing comma after the first "tomorrow". --Username (talk) 11:41, 3 October 2023 (EDT)