User talk:Jeffrey1

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Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Hauck 18:08, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Chaining the Lady

Hello, I've approved your submission for this publication (result is here). I've just add the currency and regularized the publisher (form "Avon Books" to simply "Avon"). Perhaps may it be interesting that you add some data in the notes as the price of your 1984 copy is inferior to the 1985 re-issue. Can you confirm the date? Note that you can also upload a scan as the artist seem to be different from other Avon printings. I've rejected a second quasi-identical submission. Hauck 18:15, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

It's no use to upload the cover twice, as disk space is one of our concerns, a moderator will have to delete the superflous images, I've linked the cover to the publication. Hauck 10:41, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

I've changed the date of your verified publication to "0000-00-00" (it wil be displayed as "unknown"), the price that you gave seems to indicate a 1986-1987 printing, coherent with the change of cover. Diverse sources (this one for example) give a $2.95 price for the 1984 printings. If you have additional data (content of the copyright page, number line) that may shed a new light on the subject, please answer here. Thanks. Hauck 10:47, 13 February 2016 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for linking the cover! I couldn't figure out how to do it. My date of the edition comes from the "84" printed in the cover painting next to the artist's logo: "(c) 84" The date inside says "First Avon Books printing March 1978" but that's inconsistent with the date on the cover. The price is right there on the front cover. Jeffrey1 05:47, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Yes, Avon is one of those publishers that don't give a lot of information to pinpoint the date (or the prinitng). Is such case, it's better to enter an unknown date in hope that some secondary source may help later. The enter the image, when you've uploaded the image (here), you have to "go" to it by clicking on the hyperlink just below (here "CHNNGTHLDL1984.jpg‎"), it will take you to the image's URL (here "http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/a/ae/CHNNGTHLDL1984.jpg") that you will be able to copy and then paste in the "Image URL:" field. Hauck 11:19, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Chaining The Lady

When accepted I cloned your submission on this book. However, you should list what printing your copy is, and if it is the same as mine, feel free to take my notes and delete my submission. If your printing is different, you can still take liberally from my notes. I got hammered for not listing the printing of a book when I first started out. MLB 02:51, 10 October 2016 (UTC)

Die Terranauten, #28: Die Psi-Sucher

Hello, the fact that this cover is the same as the one used for Anderson's novel should be materialised by a variant link, not entered in the properties of the image. I've deleted the info.Hauck 12:57, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

I've rejected two submissions. Do you need assistance in varianting covers? Hauck 13:11, 21 March 2018 (EDT)

I would like some help, yes, please!

OK, in this case I've already done the varianting for you but the principle is the following:

1) You usually start with a book which has a re-used cover, to stay with Whelan consider this french publication which borrows the artwork of that one. So we need to materialize the fact that the french cover (Les feux d’Azeroth) is a variant of the US (Amazons!) one.

2) you need first to know the Title Record # of the original cover (a "Title Record #" (or Title Record Id) is an unique numeric identifier for a title record of any kind (cover, novel, essay, etc...). You can obtain it by clicking on the "Cover" hyperlink on the original publication page, this will lead you to the COVER title record and you'll be able see its Title Record # on the top right of the screen, in this case it's "237421".

3) with this number in mind, you'll have to go to the "variant" cover record, via its publication record that will lead you to the variant cover record.

4) at this level (the variant cover title record), you'll have to create the link between those two records by using the "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work" link on the left, then using the top of the screen ("Option 1") and just enter the "master" (the original) Title Record # into the "Parent #:" field (remember it's 237421) and then submit.

Hope that my explanations were clear, this may sound complicated but, you'll quickly get the hang of it. Hauck 14:49, 23 March 2018 (EDT)

OK,thanks a lot!

Your recent submissions

Hello, I took some action based on some of your recent submissions:

• for Das Buch Corum, I've varianted the cover art.
• for Der scharlachrote Prinz the varianting is already done as can be seen following the link of this page, ditto for Die Königin des Chaos (see here).Hauck 13:56, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

OK, thanks a lot! Is that something I could've done myself?

Yes for the first point by the method outlined in the thread just above this one. No for the second point as work has already been done. Hauck 15:06, 12 April 2018 (EDT)

OK, thanks, I'll try using the above method next time.

Le cygne et l'oiseau de feu

Cover art should be the same title as the publication (with a few exceptions). I'm not exactly sure what you were attempting to achieve, but if the cover art has a title, it can be added to the notes field of the cover art title record. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:54, 21 April 2018 (EDT)

So added, thanks.

The Final Encyclopedia, Volume 2

Two different titled artwork should only be varianted to each other if they are the same art. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:55, 21 April 2018 (EDT)

The cover is a wraparound, the right side is used in "The Final Encyclopedia" and the left side is used in "The Final Encyclopedia 2." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeffrey1 (talk • contribs) .

If I understand you correctly, half an original image was used for one publication and the other half was used for the other publication? If so the cover records should stay separate. You may add a note to each cover art's title record describing the relationship if you wish. They would only be varianted if a publication contained the whole artwork, either as a cover or as interior art (in which case the interior art would be the parent and both cover arts would be varianted to it). We record works as they are published. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:04, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

There's a similar situation with "The Nonborn King" and "The Golden Torc." The same wraparound art, but reversed.

Le cygne et l'oiseau de feu

I rejected your update for 3 reasons:

• Even when a cover uses a named artwork, the coverart object name always matches the name of the book. The actual name of the art piece can be added as a note.
• The coverart belongs to a PV'd publication and changes like that needs to be discussed with the verifiers before being done
• The new "name" contained a link and an explanation - and even if the rename was legitimate, the data should have been split.

I've added the data you added to the note of the coverart and notified the PV. Annie 00:35, 22 April 2018 (EDT)

OK, thanks. I'm only trying to do this right.

No worries at all. A small change was needed in this one as well. When using an Amazon cover, we need the link to the image (minus the additional formatting parameters) and not the address to the page where the book is. If that was not a copy/paste mishap, check the Amazon section here. And thanks for tracking down this cover! Annie 01:38, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Pieces of Six

Can you clarify the note here? I do not seem to be able to locate any duplicate records? However, this is the coverart record, not the book record - most books will have both records (and sometimes even an interiorart named the same way). Is that what you meant? If so - then it is not a duplicate and this is how the system is supposed to work. If not, can you point me to the duplicate record? Annie 01:41, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

Sorry for the confusion.

Here's a link to the other record: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1592859

As near as I can tell, it's exactly the same publication as the one to which I recently added cover art.

Ah, I see. No - they are different - this one is the hardcover and this one is the paperback. We consider these two different publications. But the covers did need merging which I had done: here. Thanks! Annie 02:05, 23 April 2018 (EDT)

The Art of Michael Whelan: Scenes / Visions

The book has 4 (very) active PVs. Can you please discuss the change with them before this update can be approved? Thanks! Annie 16:45, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

The same for this update. Thanks! Annie 16:49, 30 April 2018 (EDT)

Hi, Annie recruited me to help shepherd these through while she's away. Let me know if you need any help. Thanks, --MartyD 22:04, 4 May 2018 (EDT)

If there are 4 other PVs on this entry, I'm not needed on it.

But you may: it does happen that even that many PVs don't recognize a piece. But we three (Annie, Marty & me) don't own a copy of the book and so can't decide on it. Stonecreek 01:07, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

Yes, this sort of situation can reveal that there are different editions/printings. It's possible that the original verifier made a mistake and the others did not notice, but it's also possible you have a different edition. Both happen, and more frequently than you might think. The simplest thing to do is post an entry on one verifier's talk page asking for confirmation of the presense/absence of that piece and then post brief "please see this question" entry with a link to it on the other verifiers' talk pages. I'm happy to give you a hand with that if you could use help. --MartyD 11:22, 6 May 2018 (EDT)

I have asked a couple of the verifiers who are also moderators to take a look. --MartyD 07:07, 10 May 2018 (EDT)

I do own the book. I ordered it from online as soon as it became available. There's no edition notice on the copyright page.

I got confirmation from Willem that the additions match his copy, so I have approved them. He is going to deal with a couple of minor issues and provide information about them here when he's done. Thanks. --MartyD 07:25, 12 May 2018 (EDT)

Thanks for the additions. I think it's good to have detailed contents for artbooks. Unfortunately my time on the database is severely limited these days. I had to correct a few things. For contents, we only give the first pagenumber (see this detailed helppage. You had the illustration on page 4-5 as "The Last Hill (detail)". I removed "detail", since it's not mentioned in the book. Last but not least, we date each piece on the date of first publication, not the date it was painted or the copyright date. The helptext is here. I see a lot of the content is still missing so if you want to try again, I'd appreciate it. Thanks, --Willem 15:24, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

Auf zwei Planeten

I agree that the figure does resemble that from Whelan's cover for "The Caves of Steel." However, we need more than that to credit the cover to him. Is not unknown for artists to be "inspired" by other covers or just to coincidentally have the same elements. For the early pulps, it sometimes happened that copies of American issues were published overseas, but that the European cover would be a repaint of the American one (same artwork, different artists). As such, we avoid "looks like" credits. If you are able to find something more substantive (appearance in a Whelan art book, confirmation from artist, etc.), please let us know. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:30, 1 July 2020 (EDT)

OK, will do.

The Art of Michael Whelan: Scenes / Visions

I'm holding your edit to The Art of Michael Whelan: Scenes / Visions. We title artwork by the title used in the publication or by the publication if untitled. If the artist has given the artwork as separate title, that would go into the notes for the title record. I see there is a "The Jacksons - Victory" title record which also appears in this publication as "Untitled rendering" on page 131. Do you have the publication? Is that the same artwork? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:38, 10 July 2020 (EDT)

I see that image on page 131 and it is a different one than the one on page 26. Given that the one on page 26 doesn't seem to have any connection with The Jacksons I would assume it has nothing to do with that album; but on Whelan's own website he calls that image "Victory." Might be unrelated to the album at all. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeffrey1 (talk • contribs) .

What page are you looking at on his website? When I search on Victory using the search box on the site, the only result that comes up is this one which is the same as the the album. Let me know which one is the correct one & I will add the link to the title record. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:29, 13 July 2020 (EDT)

Here is the link to the image. I found it under "Preliminary Concepts 2" https://www.michaelwhelan.com/preliminary-concepts-2/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeffrey1 (talk • contribs) .

The one at the top of the page or this one? -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:25, 14 July 2020 (EDT)

Wonderworks

For this submission, I added the information to the artwork's title record. As stated above, if an artist's title for an artwork does not appear in the publication, that information goes in the title notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:25, 12 July 2020 (EDT)

I've been in touch with Mike Jackson from Glass Onion and asked him about all the illustrations in all three books that aren't directly identified. Sadly, a lot of his responses were, "probably", "likely," "I think" but at one point he said "I'll have to ask Michael" and I asked him if the guesses could be more concrete. Until he responds, should I put his responses on the page?

Additionally, he seemed pretty certain that some of the illustrations in "Wonderworks" had been made specially for the book, specifically the section headings. How would I write that? "Heroines -- illustration made for this book"? Also, Mike said that none of those section illustrations have actual names. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jeffrey1 (talk • contribs) .

I would not add speculation to the database. We prefer information that is known. However, you could create a wiki page (perhaps User:Jeffrey1/Michael Whelan) to capture your notes, etc. When the get firmed up, they could then be migrated to the database. Yes, for titles that were created for that publication, you could add a title note stating that the illustration was made for the book. Since it does not have a title, I would refer to it as an "untitled illustration" in the notes vs. implying there is an author title by repeating the ISFDB title. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:47, 16 July 2020 (EDT)