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https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5858329; Minor fix to note's C$ price. --Username (talk) 13:03, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Approved. Thanks for catching the typo. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:51, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Riding the Nightmare

Hi, thanks for verifying my very first edit. However, I've obviously done something wrong. The stories on this collection (except 1) are all on the database already and they appear duplicated now instead of the stories already on the database being linked to the collection.

The story "Voices in the Night" first appeared on a 2018 anthology named "Uncertainties, volume III", edited by Lynda E. Rucker which is not on this database. I got the publishing date off Goodreads.

The story "The Dragon's Bride" is already on the database, but the version included here is a "revised and expanded version" to novella-length as is stated on the copyright page of the stories in the collection. I don't know if it should be linked to the story here or create a separate listing with a (expanded) credit as I submitted.

Thanks a lot. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Delage82 (talkcontribs) .

When you type in the content records of a publication, it will create new title records for each of the contents. When the contents already exist in the database, it is better to use the Import options and import the existing records. When there are duplicates, you can go to the publication record and click the "Check for Duplicate Titles". This will give you a listing of items that match in title, author, and type and allow you to merge them. I have done that for this publication.
When we have revised / edited works, how we handle them depends on how different the works are. If the changes are minor, we would have one record and add a title note stating that there are revisions for certain versions. When the changes are more extensive, we leave them as separate records and add title notes. I have done that here. We would only include the "(expanded)" if that is how it appeared on the title page which doesn't sound like it.
Let me know if you have any questions on the above. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:03, 13 January 2024 (EST)

Girl in a Swing Cover Artists

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?1503211; I discussed covers on RTrace page recently and I don't think UK HC should be by Murray but instead by Reginald George Haggar. --Username (talk) 19:32, 5 February 2024 (EST)

Updates made. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:42, 5 February 2024 (EST)

Aesop's Fables

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/ea.cgi?185624

hiya mate sorry to hassle you i'm doing the contents of a version of aesops fables that I own that uses the 1912 vernon jones translations. Ive been varianting each fable to the parents that were enetred by RTrace with the perry index number as the series number and with ancient greek as the language but then i clocked that there was a few others apart from mine that werent linked to the series. they're the ones with a second author that youve done some editing on and i thought hang on i better stop and check to see why those ones aren't part of the series before i do any more of mine. cheers from Gaz Faustus (talk) 16:34, 31 March 2024 (EDT)

If they have two authors, they would be retellings or adaptations and not direct translations of Aesop's originals. You can add them to a series if you want, but I would suggest a subseries (perhaps something like "Aesop's Fables Adaptations"). They would not be varianted to the original works as they are not the same as the originals (i.e. not pure translations). Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:33, 31 March 2024 (EDT)
i'll leave them alone I just wanted to make sure the ones i was doing are valid. cheers mate - Gaz Faustus (talk) 20:05, 31 March 2024 (EDT)

Changes to "Baen Fantasy" and "Baen Science Fiction Books"

A quick note to let you know that publisher records "Baen Fantasy" and "Baen Science Fiction Books" are in the process of being converted to publication series under "Baen Books" as per the outcome of this Rules and Standards discussion. This will affect one or more of your primary-verified publications. The only affected fields will be "Publisher" and "Publication Series". Ahasuerus (talk) 19:33, 4 April 2024 (EDT)

Planetstuck

● To answer your question on my message page, yes, it is clearly "Planetstuck". One word, on both the contents page, and on the title page. MLB (talk) 22:14, 4 April 2024 (EDT)

He May Wear My Silence

You misunderstood my question. I did not ask why you listed that imprint, I asked why the ISFDB cannot list publisher imprints on the same page as its publisher, thereby providing a complete and cohesive record of the publisher's work all in one place. Moonshine (talk) 13:09, 9 April 2024 (EDT)Moonshine

The ISFDB does not currently provide a method to create a hierarchal grouping of a publisher and its imprints (maybe someday it will). At the moment, if someone searches for Starship Sloane Publishing, they will find both the publisher and imprint listing. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:00, 9 April 2024 (EDT)

Unreal and the Real

I do not understand your comment. You said that ISFDB definitions say it is a series. What definition, where? It is a collection of stories in two-volumes. Two volumes isn't a series. The PROBLEM is that when I am looking for Collections it does not appear. Evertype (talk) 14:46, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

Series are used to group multi-volume works as well as for more traditional fiction series. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:50, 3 May 2024 (EDT)

Games, Guides, etc.

Thank you. Do you have the name of any of those databases? Did I do this right? Jamesmclellan (talk) 14:32, 15 May 2024 (EDT) = jamesmclellan 18:26, 15 May 2024 (UTC)

RPG Geek is the main one, I believe. I don't know anything though about how you contribute. Yes, your post was correct. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:55, 15 May 2024 (EDT)

Rewriting of unknown translation

hiya mate i think i've got a similar case to some of the aesops fables that you dealt with and so I thuoght i'd check with you first before bashing on. The book is called "Fairy Tales from Hans Christian Andersen" and it's "Retold by Nicola Baxter". The intro just says "...these stories are not exactly as Hans Christian Andersen wrote them..." and it doesnt say anything about which translation if any she adapted them from. should i give the author of the book and each tale as HCA and NB and then variant it to just by HCA (in english) but don't variant it to the danish original? cheers from Gaz Faustus (talk) 12:16, 17 May 2024 (EDT)

They should be listed as Hans Christian Andersen and Nicola Baxter. No varianting needed. They are not translations so you are correct we would not variant to the originals. However, we also would not variant to Hans Christian Andersen alone. As a retelling Baxter is a primary author and it should also appear on Baxter's author page. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:49, 18 May 2024 (EDT)
cheers I'll do that - Gaz Faustus (talk) 09:17, 18 May 2024 (EDT)

Contributors' Notest

Hi, could you check if this is a typo in this title. Thanks, Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 16:29, 22 May 2024 (EDT)

Yes, fixed. Thanks for finding. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:58, 22 May 2024 (EDT)

Satan Whispers

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?1008887; That's not the right cover, Leisure symbol on top, not Star. --Username (talk) 14:26, 26 May 2024 (EDT)

The Internet Archive was down earlier when I was processing those edits. It's back so I uploaded a local copy from it. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:43, 26 May 2024 (EDT)
It's down again. That's been happening a lot lately. Either they're in trouble or it's just SOP. They'll be up again soon, no doubt. --Username (talk) 15:01, 26 May 2024 (EDT)

Approvals

Hello John, with regard to my edits which you've recently approved, for which, thank you. The edits you made connected with my submissions are confusing my work flow. I wondered why this was rejected, to find you'd already deleted the titles before my deleting edit came up. Also, when I went to follow up on this submission I find the title already varianted and had to follow that thread to find out how it had been (and btw, I've submitted the title transliteration). I can't say that I don't miss things or get things wrong, but I do my best :). Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 10:03, 2 June 2024 (EDT)

Moderators will sometimes take follow-on steps when it's clear what the next step should be. Typically, if we see an edit marking pages fields as delete, we would not expect to see a subsequent edit in the queue removing them. Please remember that there is no guarantee that edits will be processed in the order they were submitted. Had your remove been processed first, the pub edit would have re-created those titles in the pub once it had been processed. It would have been better to have not set the page field to delete since you also submitted the remove - that way there would have been no change to those records in the pub edit and the two edits would be independent. Also, regarding John, I believe you have me confused with Scifibones. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:57, 2 June 2024 (EDT)
You could have said 'Fair enough', but no, I get a laudable but inappropriate reply. If you look at this edit history page and this forced rejection page, you'll see I submitted the first edit, #5970278 at 00:23:44, adding all pub details.
My second edit, #5970280 at 00:26:36 (and could be seen by you two submissions above my first), to remove the titles I submitted, you force rejected because you had done the removals, 13 seconds after approving my first edit.
My third edit, #5970282 at 00:30:48 (again, could be seen by you two more submissions up), was to import new titles.
Your "Typically, if we see an edit marking pages fields as delete, we would not expect to see a subsequent edit in the queue removing them." is, I think, not so. If I wanted a Moderator to delete marked titles, I would say so in the Moderator note. Do you honestly think that a submitter, having marked the title(s) for delete, would not follow up? I did, but you didn't bother to look. Further, the pages field 'delete' was for my benefit not yours.
Your "Please remember that there is no guarantee that edits will be processed in the order they were submitted." is a non sequitur. It wouldn't matter which way round my second and third edits were processed.
The rest of your reply ("Had your remove been processed first...") makes no sense. I was deleting "The Invisible Man" and "The Food of the Gods" to then import "The Invisible Man: A Grotesque Romance" and "The Food of the Gods and How It Came to Earth".
So, now I'll say explicitly, please don't do this with my submissions. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 13:41, 2 June 2024 (EDT)
There are many editors who never follow-up with edits or the follow-ups are very extended -- especially given the extended queue lengths we have this day. Editors should also not be possessive about their edits. This is a community database and there will bound to be people with overlapping edits. Most people are thankful edits are done, not upset they were not the ones to make the change. My comments were based on seeing a large number of edits over many years. My explanation of regarding approval of edits out of order was very much on point. If you don't care how the database actually works so be it. But it does impact the results. No moderator can be expected to remember the quirks of all the individual editors. Since it bothers you though, what I can do is remember not to process any of your edits and leave them for other moderators. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:23, 2 June 2024 (EDT)
You still don't get it do you. I'm not possessive about my edits and you have no basis for saying so. Strike 1.
Bound to be people with overlapping edits. You mean when yours ignore and overlap mine... really? Strike 2.
I'm not upset about who makes the change and, again, you have no grounds for saying so - what I am upset about is having to search around to find out why things I have submitted don't look as I expect them to. Strike 3.
"If you don't care how the database actually works so be it." is downright insulting. Strike 4.
Yes, your rude pontificating does bother me; I find it disgraceful Moderator behaviour, and I sincerely hope you do not process any more of edits that I've submitted. Kev. --BanjoKev (talk) 22:07, 2 June 2024 (EDT)
Good grief. I gave a factual response to what happened. You are the one who is projecting onto what I said & unwilling to extend good faith. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:01, 3 June 2024 (EDT)
I asked Ahasuerus (here) if the moderator interface could be updated to show when there is a pending TitleRemove or ImportExport when processing a PubUpdate. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:55, 3 June 2024 (EDT)
Ahasuerus has made the requested changes so this situation will be easier for moderators to identify. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:23, 3 June 2024 (EDT)

Held Edits for Shadows on the Wall

Hi JLaTondre -

Loviatar reached out to me regarding two edits of theirs that you are holding (here and here) affecting one of my verified publications. I have discussed the edits with them and believe that those two edits should be rejected. I have also let them know how to better achieve what they're trying to accomplish. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:01, 2 June 2024 (EDT)

Edits have been rejected. Thanks for following up. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:13, 2 June 2024 (EDT)

Rules and Standards discussion about crediting magazine editors

When you have a chance, could you please review this discussion? We are trying to decide how to enter guest editors, associate editors, etc in magazine records. TIA! Ahasuerus (talk) 22:16, 10 June 2024 (EDT)

Echoes of Sherlock Holmes

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?611644; I'm importing stories into D. Morrell's 2019 collection Before I Wake and I'm thinking his story here should be "The Spiritualist" (also in the note) and the length should be added, too. --Username (talk) 17:30, 16 June 2024 (EDT)

Probably, but I will have to dig that pub out. It will take a couple of days. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:39, 16 June 2024 (EDT)
OK, I added archived link to Echoes of... in an edit, it's "The Spiritualist" and is on pp. 91-108 so that would be a short story, your copy will likely be the same when you check unless it's a different printing or something. --Username (talk) 19:10, 16 June 2024 (EDT)
Updates made. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:26, 19 June 2024 (EDT)