User talk:JJ

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Hello, JJ, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Joe M. McDermott

Thank you for finding this. However, when establishing a pseudonym relationship, the ISFDB uses the most widely credited name as the canonical name. In this case, that would be J. M. McDermott. I've had to reject your edit and instead created the pseudonym relationship going the other one. We do appreciate your submission. ISFDB has some conventions that need learning, but everything should be in the help links in the welcome message above. We hope you will continue to contribute. And please let us know if you have any questions (ISFDB:Help desk is a good resource for asking). -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:19, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

No worries, just wanted to give you all a heads-up. Thanks for all your hard work. I refer to ISFDB several times a week. :-) JJ 02:40, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

Series Editor

Hello, to the best of my knowledge, we do not credit Series Editors like here. Note that you(?) are amply cited in the notes. I've put your submissions on hold if you want to present your case on The Moderaor Noticeboard. Hauck 05:42, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

It's my understanding that they are co-editors.

How does this differ from these examples?

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?26601

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?80402

Also, I don't understand what you mean "you(?) are amply cited in the notes". I wasn't the user who entered these database items, that was Markwood and Hauck.JJ 09:04, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

For the first point, your examples are quite telling as, on those that you provided, both editors are "on an equal footing" which seems not the case in both your submissions (they're not by "X & JJA"). For your second point, I vaguely know this "Hauck", my point was that the credit to the series editor was clearly made in the note field (which is not always the case, like in this publication). The you(?) was because I supposed (perhaps wrongly) that you're John Joseph Adams. Hauck 10:28, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

"your examples are quite telling as, on those that you provided, both editors are "on an equal footing" which seems not the case in both your submissions"

Actually, I happen to know that at that point, at the very least Ferman was in an advisory role and Van Gelder did the heavy lifting -- which is why I'm bemused that you're making a distinction here.

Just as Ferman was in an advisory role and Rusch did the heavy lifting here: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?35668

And thanks for assuming that I'm a massively award-winning SF editor and magazine publisher whom I am sure has absolutely no time to spend faffing around on the ISFDB. Perhaps you're aware of the adage "You know what happens when you assume". But no, I work a full-time job in IT, and in addition to hopefully having a bit of a real life, I spend a great deal of time and effort making voluntary contributions at a couple of other well-known genre sites. I use this site constantly as a reference source, and lately I've been trying to give a little back here by helping out where I find discrepancies. If my assistance is not welcome, I will be happy to desist.

JJ 11:56, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

The main issue here is that we don't go by "I happen to know", we're just, as you correctly surmise, a lowly band of no-lifers that only take into account what's on the pages of the books (have another look at the covers of the books cited above and you'll easily see what I mean by "equal footing"). To be rude, you can shove up such sentences as "hopefully having a bit of a real life" where you want. This is not the way of a person trying to "give a little back here by helping out", it's just a plain insult. I've moderated more than 200.000 submissions here and there is regularly people like you than just CAN'T take an argumented "No" for an answer and of course always knows best. They usually end by having a tantrum and leaving, so have a nice day in your real life. Hauck 13:59, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

I think you are both reading too much into each other's words and should take a deep breath. JJ, the ISFDB works on the principle that we credit based first and foremost on what the publication states. In this case, the publications you edited credit an editor and a series editor. In such cases, we list the editor in the publication author field and put the series editor in the publication notes. In the two examples you listed above, the publications credit them both as editors ("Edited by -- & --"). In such cases, both names go in the publication author field. The distinction we make is the same distinction the publication makes. The difference between us and other genre sites is that we are bibliographic site. Our publication records are focused on recording what the publication states, not what may have happened behind the scenes. As for Hauck's assumption, it is not unknown for such authors to make an occasional edit here. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:02, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

Particularly when a contributor named "JJ" adds a credit for "John Joseph Adams". As for taking a deep breath, I notice that your arguments are exactly the same as mine ("they're not by "X & JJA"" vs. "Edited by -- & --") so perhaps wasn't I so wrong.Hauck 16:09, 8 April 2017 (UTC)

The Long and Short of It

I have entered the Kindle editions listed in the moderator notes for your edit. As for the audible versions, while they are allowed, I will leave them for you to add if you wish (we allow audio books, but leave it up to interested editors to add vs. trying to comprehensively add them). You can clone the new chapbook entries and enter the data for the Aubible versions. Instead of using the moderator notes for this type of thing, it would be better if you added a post to ISFDB:Community Portal. Thanks for finding these. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:14, 1 July 2018 (EDT)

Dinosaurs

Hi, how many essays about dinosaurs by James Patrick Kelly are actually in 'A Fistful of Dinosaurs'? You gave three, but Amazon gives two.--Dirk P Broer 07:49, 11 February 2020 (EST)

King of Dogs Queen of Cats

I have deleted the pub. You can submit a delete yourself by going the pub page and selecting the "Delete This Pub" on the left. Thank you for finding this error. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:00, 4 April 2020 (EDT)