User talk:Hyju

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Hello, Hyju, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!.--Dirk P Broer 20:22, 29 March 2019 (EDT)

Dossouye

Hi, I have your submission currently on hold because you can't seem to make up your mind what the title is: a Novel (which only has one title, the Novel itself) or a Collection (multiple stories by one author -as opposed to an Anthology: multiple stories by different authors). A fix-up novel is still a novel, and the various parts can be mentioned on title record level -which I already did, as the title record already said "According to the author's Web site, this is a fix-up of previously published stories organized as a "picaresque novel"." So, what do you want?--Dirk P Broer 21:36, 29 March 2019 (EDT)

Nyumbani Tales

Hi, I've another submission from you on hold. In this case you want 'Nyumbani Tales' entered as an Anthology. Why? You do not give any content, and what I have unearthed so far does not look like an Anthology, but rather a Collection -for the difference see my previous message to you, here above.--Dirk P Broer 05:01, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

I will approve it and make it a Collection, as I found story titles -all by Charles R. Saunders, so definitely not an Anthology- and sequence of stories on Amazon.--Dirk P Broer 05:06, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

Series numbers

Hi, I have twice removed a series number in your submission, once for 'Dossouye' and once for 'Nyumbani Tales'. Both time it was a number high in the 30,000 range, which would make the entered titles part of the longest series in man's history by far. What do you try to enter, and why do you use the series # field for it?--Dirk P Broer 05:36, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

Imarao

Hi, and welcome. I accepted your submission of Imaro but made some changes to it I wanted you to be aware of. While Amazon lists Lulu as the publisher, Lulu states "Sword & Soul Media" as the publisher, so I changed the publisher credit to that. I saw in the Look Inside an ISBN, so I added that; I also noticed Lulu has a different ISBN that seems to be incorrect, so I added a note about that. We have built-in support for linking via Amazon's ASIN, so I removed the Amazon link you provided in the notes and added an External ID of type ASIN to the record, using the ASIN from the link you found. And we don't put anything in the "Pages" field for publications that are unpaginated -- which is true of most ebooks, unless they actually use page numbers on the individual "pages" -- but we do like to record the equivalent page count in the notes, so I did that. Please look it over and make sure I didn't lose anything. I added an extra comment about the artist credit that I happened to notice, too. If you have any questions, please ask! Thanks, and thank you for contributing. --MartyD 09:12, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

Dragon Magazine

Hi. You may reply to notes left on your talk page directly on the note (rather than on the talk page of the person who left you the note). Just edit the section and indent your comments another level by adding one or more colons (:) at the beginning: one colon per level of indentation. That keeps the whole thread in one place.

For The Savage Sword of Conan, I assume you are referring to the comic books? ISFDB policy is NOT to record comics, so those are not included here.

For recording an essay that appeared in an issue of The Dragon Magazine, you would need the issue. We have this series recording the print editions. If Saunders' essay appears in one of those, you can add it: Find the issue, use "Edit this Publication", and then in the Content section add a title for the essay. See, for example this issue, which has a Fritz Leiber essay recorded. Anything you do there will be reviewed by a moderator, so you don't need to worry about making mistakes -- try it, and someone will make sure it is correct and help you with anything that needs to be different.

I hope this helps. Ask if anything is unclear. You can also post how-to questions on the Help desk page. The community here is responsive and happy to assist. --MartyD 10:02, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

(You can and should respond here -- I am watching this).

If the issue of Dragon is not present, it needs to be added. I found an online source for issue #122. We only add magazines if they contain fiction that we want to document. In #122, I see "The Prince's Birthday" by Keith Minnion, which qualifies. Plus that Saunders essay. You may add it if you'd like to give it a try, or I can do it for you. To add a magazine issue, use "Add New Magazine" in the Add New Data section of the navigation bar when you are on the main website. You can follow the pattern from one of the other issues, such as this one. Detailed help is also available once you are in that editing screen. In the Contents section, you would add the Saunders essay on p. 22 and the Minnion story on p. 62. I did not see any other content that we would want to record, but if you read the issue and find more stories, include those as well. You can cite the URL for that PDF as the source. And we have permission from Galactic Central to link to images there, so you could use their cover image: http://www.philsp.com/data/images/d/dragon_198706_n122.jpg. --MartyD 12:22, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

Can you add it for me? Hyju 14:01, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

I wanted to put a Brazilian translation of The King in Yellow (O Rei de Amarelo), which has an introduction and comments by Carlos Orsi, but also do not know how to put foreign edition. Hyju 17:03, 30 March 2019 (EDT)

I have entered Dragon Magazine #122 with the essay. Feel free to edit.

We handle translations by using something called "variants". First you create a record for the translated publication, using specifying its language. Here, where it's a collection, you would need to add all of the contents with their translated titles as well -- they will get the same language as what you specify for the main publication. Once that submission is accepted, then go to each of the translated title records and use the "Make This Title a Variant" to link this translation to the record for the canonical, original-language record (or you can make it create a new record if one is not already recorded). For The King in Yellow, see this record and then look at some of the listed translations, an you will see what was done. If you have translation-specific content (such as Orsi's comments) that is original and is not translated, no variant is made. --MartyD 13:51, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

The introduction of Carlos Orsi is exclusive, it is not a translation, so it should not be placed, I will try to put the edition without this introduction, also wanted to create a Brazilian series called Space Opera, since I have seen that Editora Draco is registered and has some authors with entries.Hyju 17:13, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

Sorry if I misled you. You should include Orsi's introduction if you enter the Brazilian book. Unlike the contained stories, which are translations and need to be made variants of the originals, no variant is needed for the introduction. It would exist as a Portuguese-language title that is not a variant/translation of anything. --MartyD 20:56, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

Thanks for the inclusion of issue 122.Hyju 22:04, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

I found a short story from the series Imaro in Dragon # 86, I sent it there, I discovered another publication of this short story in The Chronicler of Cross Plains #2, Fall 2006. Hyju 19:39, 3 April 2019 (EDT)

Varianting titles

I am sorry to inform you that I had to reject your submissions for Portuguese tiles: the reason is that there are no publications associated with them, and they would have been deleted as they would have appeared as 'empty'. Another reason was the capitalization of the titles, for which the rule seems to be 'all lower case, except for names, proper denominations, and title beginnings' in Portuguese. (See for example this discussion).

I also had to upload the image for A Princess of Mars anew since the connection was to a site we have no allowance to link to (we have that allowance for amazon, for example; but you have to be sure they display the actual image for the publication in question; quite often they do display one for another printing that may be similar but not identical). Thanks, Stonecreek 02:51, 4 April 2019 (EDT)

I was trying to add Brazilian translations of these books, from the series Barsoom, only had one, Aleph published the other two and did not continue. The other is a translation of Tarzan of the Apes, but since I am new, I still do not know how to add those translations. Hyju 05:43, 4 April 2019 (EDT)

Well, you do it just the way you add any new thing: by adding a publication (because we are a publication-based db). After that has been approved there'll be some varianting to do in case it's a translation of an existing title (the system automatically generates the titles upon adding a publication). Stonecreek 08:54, 4 April 2019 (EDT)

Legal Name

From our wiki: "Legal Name - This field should contain the most recent legal name for the author. For example, James Tiptree, Jr. was a pseudonym of Alice Sheldon, who was born Alice Bradley. Alice Sheldon is the most recent legal name for this author. Use the format "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames", with all names being given in full. The reason for this format are names like "Patrick Nielsen Hayden" where you can't readily tell whether the last name is "Hayden" or "Nielsen Hayden." No prefixes should be used: "Capt.", "Mrs.", "Sir", and so on, are not recorded in this field. Suffixes that are not part of the legal name -- for example, "Sr.", educational and professional designations such as "Ph.D." or "M.D.", ranks and orders such as "Col.", "K.G." -- also should not be recorded. Certain suffixes such as "Jr.", "II", "III", etc., may or may not be part of the legal name. We assume they are not, unless we have reliable evidence to the contrary. If a suffix is part of the legal name, use the format "Lastname, Firstname Middlenames, Suffix"."--Dirk P Broer 08:56, 4 April 2019 (EDT)

Hi. One additional point about the Legal Name: Last name (surname) goes first, as Dirk says above. So "Vega, Hugo Marcel" instead of "Hugo Marcel Vega". I fixed that one, so just something to keep in mind for the future. Thanks. --MartyD 06:34, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

Addition of already existing titles in a publication ...

... is not the right way, so I rejected your submissions. Instead, it's possible to edit the titles of the existing contents and change as appropriate (here: change the publication date to the first publication).

I also recommend to spend some time with our extensive help pages (see the top of this page): it will give you an idea how we are organized and how to edit things. Stonecreek 14:45, 4 April 2019 (EDT)

Space Opera anthologies

Thanks for submitting those. However, right now I have only approved of the first one (and put the others on hold), since there is no information from where the information stems. You also might want to add information about the lengths of the shortfiction pieces (short story, novelette, or novella?) and on the respective authors / editors. Please also take note of the conventions on entering prices. Thanks, Stonecreek 04:19, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

I sent the moderator links for purchase on Amazon and archive of official website, the current version of the site does not contain the list of short stories, I do not know if they are short stories, novelas or novelettes.Hyju 07:06, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

If you had put the note in the note to the moderator: that is to be lost upon moderating the submission. Please enter any information on sources into the publication's note field: if the information is from amazon, something like this here is sufficient (but be sure that all of the data is from the source you state - you may have to state more than one source, for example if the cover artist is stated at another site). For primary verified publications a bit more of sourcing is wishful (see this example). And please continue with the author updates. Thanks, Stonecreek 12:53, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

I've approved of the next anthology: please update that and the first according to the standard described above, before you proceed with anything else. Thanks, Stonecreek 00:08, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

This is just to remind you of stating the source(s) of data for the respective publications (thanks for the prize). Stonecreek 05:55, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

CHAPBOOKs and ISBNs

For the Weinbaum CHAPBOOK you supplied a 13-digit ISBN for a pre-2005 publication and for that time period it has to be a 10-digit ISBN. Can you suplly that one, please? (Also, the issue of the invalid price format popped up again).

Most importantly a CHAPBOOK needs also a content title, see other examples at various author pages or the section at the help pages. Stonecreek 00:19, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

I'll check the information.Hyju 06:41, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

You have to be cautious ...

... in what you submit. I just rejected a comic album that has no part at ISFDB. There's again the rcommendation to read the help pages (here: the rules of acquisition).

Also, for the Christie Golden novel from that universe you submitted a pamphlet type of publication (you likely meant tp or pb)? Stonecreek 11:18, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

Pb, This is not a comic, it's the first novel in the series, I only have one source in French: Valérian arrive en roman !, An encyclopedia of the series has already been registered.Hyju 11:20, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

It's a movie novelization. Thanks for the format, I'll approve of the submission and change accordingly. Stonecreek 11:24, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

I will send the novel again with the sources indicating that it is prose and not comics.Hyju 11:27, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

Please also note that it's mandatory to state the translator (if it's a translated work) in the title note field. I have added her for this novel. Stonecreek 11:33, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

In the sources I consulted, it said it was a novel, so much that it is not in the list of comics albums of the series, but I can not prove without showing some page, just another link.Hyju 12:05, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

Yeah, well we have to be pretty sure that a title belongs here: as far as I understand the new link it's only stated that it adresses a juvenile audience, which says nothing about the major direction of the title type (fiction or comic). The same reason it is that lets me hesitate about 'Os Habitantes do Céu': It may well be that the French parent title was installed here by accident or - more likely - just because it was nominated for an award. Stonecreek 17:08, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

I can not log in, i found a series of comic books that are registered as if it were romance, is Crom the Barbarian by Gardner Fox and John Giunta, someone must have been wrong, this one I'm sure is not prose.Hyju 17:29, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

I managed, I'll try another source and post, the Franco-Belgian comic is different from the American, they are few pages per story arc, have more than 200 pages or is an omnimbus or is a novel, in the links that I found, says is a 268-page unpublished "roman", if I had an e-book, I could see what I really think is the same as Marvel's novels.Hyju 17:49, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

I found, in Francophone Wikipedia it says that the novel was republished in 2017 under the title "Paradizac, la ville cachée" and has e-book:Amazon kindle and Amazon paperback, in this second link, Marc Van Buggenhout said: "Réédition de Lininil a disparu, écrit par Pierre Christin et édité chez Mango en 2009. Le livre qui avait 269 pages, fait maintenant le double, mais c'est grâce aux interlignes !".Hyju 17:55, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

I'm having trouble logging in, I put the password, when I try to do something, it asks for the password again.

Apparently, I did, here the online version of the magazine with Crom stories, it seems, was a mixed of pulp magazine with comic book.Hyju 18:31, 6 April 2019 (EDT)

Well, we are afraid that one can't trust amazon in a number of things: publication dates of books that are more than ten years old is one of the things (the older the more untrustworthy), and type is another of those: one can see it in the monthly load of new titles that concentrates on magazines and anthologies: invariably they are catalogued as novels by amazon (and require a considerablke amount of repairment). After all amazon (and other vendors) don't set out to deliver correct bibliographic data, their goal is to sell.

And in the Wikipedia site on Christin the title is not listed under his novels. Stonecreek 04:03, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

Not always Wikipedia is updated, I'm also a Wikipedia editor, while I've put new Saunders books here, updated on Wikipedia, on Christin's website, "Lininil a disparu" is listed in "romans".Hyju 06:24, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

Ah, yes! So it should be eligible for us. Thanks for the research! Stonecreek 07:40, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

Even with 3 books, you can not consider creating a series equal to Star Wars and Marvel Universe?Hyju 11:39, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

Sure! But only one was a little below the threshold. ;-) Stonecreek 12:26, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

I tried to send the cover of Science Fiction, # 3 January 1933 and gave error, does not appear, can not put it in the entry.Hyju 12:25, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

Do you remeber the error report (what went wrong)? Stonecreek 12:28, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

I saw that it is only thumbnail, the file was sent, I sent it to the entry.Hyju 12:33, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

(unident) You had 1/13 instead of 5/53 in the URL address. Why that happened I can't tell - but now it's fixed. Stonecreek 13:02, 7 April 2019 (EDT)

How do I put a book where the author recounts one or more famous work?.Hyju 11:46, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

Hi! It's better to post questions like this at the help desk: on your private page they might easily go along unrecognized.

As to your question: it depends in major part on how the text is credited, to the recounter or to both, the recounter and the original author. If the second is given here might be a helpful example (note that the original text was a NOVEL, but the recounting is only of novella length). Stonecreek 11:56, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

A filha do Inca / República 3000

Hello, there are some issues with your recent bunch of submissions for this:

1) The initial title is indexed as a novel.

2) Do you still remember the speciality of CHAPBOOKs? (If not please go to the help pages and read the passage about them).

3) Please use the regularization for Portuguese titles explained to you above.

4) From the help: For 'standard' titles you should parenthetically append the container title (title of the novel, collection, anthology, etc) to the title of the essay, i.e. "<generic essay title> (<container title>)" in order to create a unique title. For example, Susan Wood's introduction to the Le Guin collection The Language of the Night was entered as Introduction (The Language of the Night). Standard title are for example "Introduction", "Editorial", "About the Author", "Foreword", or several other similar titles (also in other languages than English).

While waiting for your answers I've put your submissions on hold. Thanks, Stonecreek 14:00, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

I'm a bit confused, in fact, I do not know much English, I thought chaps were cheap publications, but I saw that it's not quite that, I just wanted to record include some publications and authors.Hyju 14:44, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

Well, the only help I can offer is best formulated within the help pages. The first problem here to answer is the one formulated under 1): What are these new publications? Stonecreek 15:49, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

I will first go to Terramarear volumes, but also have the "Edições de Ouro", has a version of Jules Verne's "From the Earth to the Moon" and "Around the Moon" by Paulo Mendes Campos, in a single volume, as if it were a one novel.Hyju 16:03, 10 April 2019 (EDT)

A Volta de Frankenstein

I have put the submission for that on hold:

1) At 128 pages most text turn out to be of novella length, do you have any exact word count at hand?

2) Who is Mary Shelby, by the way (a pseudonym for anoter author, a wrong spelling of Mary Shelley, or a typo o your side)?

3) Again, there's the issue of normalizing the title. Please take note of that, future submissions might get rejected because of not taking of that rule of ours. Stonecreek 03:02, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

I do not have the book, it's possible it's a novella, Mary Shelby is a pseudonym of Rubens Francisco Lucchetti in this story, he later scripted a series of Frankenstein comics, but signing with his own name, the first story is called "A Volta de Frankenstein".Hyju 05:52, 11 April 2019 (EDT)

I still do not quite understand how to put covers images, I uploaded them, but they were not approved, i know that they can not be too big, another thing, I'm suspicious that the cover of "O filho de Tarzan" is not by JU Campos, it looks a lot like the cover of the The Son of Tarzan (1917 edition) by J. Allen St. John.Hyju 07:23, 12 April 2019 (EDT)

Covers

I uploaded the covers but I do not know which links I should put in the books.Hyju 06:06, 16 April 2019 (EDT)

It looks like your recent covers have been added to pubs. Did you figure it out? Or did someone else do it and you still need help? -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:30, 16 April 2019 (EDT)

The ones I put in were the ones that the editors helped, when I try to put it on my own, it does not work.Hyju 20:32, 16 April 2019 (EDT)

After uploading a cover, go to the wiki cover page (example Image:PRNDVMSGZP1979.jpg) and then click on the image. That will take you to a page showing just the image (in the case of the example, [1]). Copy that URL, edit the publication, and paste that into the Image URL field. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:08, 16 April 2019 (EDT)

Thanks.Hyju 10:34, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

Magazine

I got information about the Genesis Science Fiction magazine, but I do not know how to edit magazines, I have the data, but so far, I only put a single issue of Dragon magazine, I wanted to edit at least 10 editions of Genesis.Hyju 10:34, 17 April 2019 (EDT)

I learned to put magazines by looking at previous examples.Hyju 19:24, 18 April 2019 (EDT)

Hi. If you need help with something, or are unsure of how to do something, post a question on the Help Desk. Members of the community are very good about providing assistance and answering questions. --MartyD 09:36, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Crediting cover artists

Hi. I have many of your submissions on hold that are adding cover artist credits to various publications. The problem with these submissions is that the source of the artist credit is not documented, and I am finding the credit does not come from the publication itself. It is fine to ascribe an artist credit solely based on the publication's having cover art identical to another publication's, where the artist credit has been established for that other publication, but we consider that a "secondary" source and so need to document in the publication notes the other source. For example, a note might say: "Cover artist not credited and no signature visible, but artwork is the same as for the 1970 Ace paperback, credited to Ima Artist".

I will work through your submissions and accept them and add the appropriate notes, but please include this information on future submissions. Thanks. --MartyD 10:06, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

I understood, usually when the cover is approved, I put edict and say that it is variant of some other, some recent I put sources, some are of the own original stories, but others are of covers of old magazines pulps or paperbacks. I use a lot Reverse image search of the Google Images and [https://www.tineye.com Tineye.Hyju 10:13, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

That is very good work, and the variants will document the original appearance but not whether the new publication explicitly credits the artist. If the notes do not say, the assumption is the credit DOES appear in the publication. That assumption is true for any data in the record, so when the information is not present in the publication, then a note is needed to identify the source. p.s. I am setting up the variants as I go along. --MartyD 10:46, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

You made a change to my verified publication of The Lad and the Lion to credit Sanjulian. My notes explicitly state that the artist is not credited and even goes so far as to speculate who the artist was (incorrectly). Your update should have included the source for the Sanjulian credit and updated the speculative note, which would have meant notifying me. As is, with my cover load and note and your credit, I look foolish. Please follow the protocol for this and other updates. And by the way, thank you for finding the information and taking the time to update it. ../Doug H 09:27, 22 January 2020 (EST)

I used reverse image search, but forgot to show the sources, one of them was Erbzine and the other was the Castalia House website.Hyju 13:09, 22 January 2020 (EST)

"Mystery World" date change

Hi. I have your proposed date change for Mystery World on hold. You would give it a 1948 date, yet it appears in a 1941 magazine. Is the 1948 a mistake, or what are you trying to do? Thanks. --MartyD 11:53, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

I think it's just another story with the same name and even author, Mystery World present in the Megapack was a two page tale of the series Jon Jarl in the magazine Captain Marvel Magazine, would have to see if it is the same material, may be the same story rewritten for the series.Hyju 11:58, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Ah. I see. What we would need to do if they are two different titles is first "unmerge" to make them into two separate titles, then fix up the newer one to have the information we want. Google Books has a scan of the Megapack and shows it going from p. 134 to p. 139. In the 1941 magazine, the story following it starts 10 pages later, so the lengths may be close. This is where primary verifiers can help. I left a note for Ron Kihara, who is the primary verifier for that issue of Thrilling Wonder Stories and asked him to check. I will keep your submission on hold until he answers. --MartyD 13:20, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

The pages [2] and [3].Hyju 15:41, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Ron confirms that it is a completely different story. I will split them up and add notes about the differences. I will end up rejecting your date change, since the 1941 date is correct for the version that's in Thrilling Wonder Stories. We will put the other date on the new title. I will post a link here when I am done. --MartyD 17:01, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Fixed up one is here. I put it in the series, which I am hoping is appropriate. Feel free to edit further. --MartyD 17:17, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Thanks, little by little I add the other stories in the series, did not have a third volume of Megapack.Hyju 17:22, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

I realized when I went to reject the held submission that I used the February 1949 date from the Megapack's acknowledgements, but I see your submission wanted to assign November 1948. You may need to change the dates if that Megapack credit is incorrect. --MartyD 17:27, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Yes, I had this doubt, but comics have dates on the cover, the Comic Book Plus (which had to withdraw because of a request from Warner), is based on the Grand Comic Database, the date is written on the cover, this question is a bit complicated, see this article on Wikipedia, cover image.Hyju 17:34, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

For magazines, the ISFDB uses the cover date, not the date of publication. So November 1948 would be correct, then, based on that cover. I will correct the dates and notes. Thanks. --MartyD 06:27, 20 April 2019 (EDT)

Cover credits redux

As MartyD stated above, when you are adding a cover credit that is not directly from the pub, you need to add a publication note giving the source. This needs to be done even if you are basing it on a prior publication. Varianting is not sufficient. Variants does not tell us the publication didn't credit the cover artist; only a note can do that. It would be appreciated if you started adding the notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:13, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Show me an example, I do not understand the need to put notes in classic covers that are constantly republished, but are not credited.Hyju 21:24, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Here is an example. Data in a publication record is supposed to be from the publication. If data is entered that is not from the publication (but rather from a secondary source), than there needs to be a note stating what data is from what source. We weren't so good with this early on, but we have tightened the rules. The community consensus is that we designate which data is from secondary sources vs. the publication itself. This avoids confusion in the long run. This is especially true of pubs that have already been verified. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:40, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

It has covers that I'm sure are from the pulps or paperbacks, but have tried to identify and I could not.Hyju 22:03, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Pardon? I'm not sure what you are referencing. The example I linked to is one you found the original source of the cover. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:12, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

I mentioned some covers in the Megapack series, I tried to identify them, but I could not.Hyju 22:18, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

Merge vs Variant

When two records for the same work have identical titles and identical author credits, they should be merged instead of varianted. Variants are for the same work with a different title and/or different author credit. I rejected some recent variant submissions which I merged instead. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 21:20, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

I have to see how to merge works, I did not understand when something is an excerpt, I put it as variant?Hyju 21:26, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

I'm talking about the stories in this pub. Per Amazon's description, these are not excerpts. It is a collection of her previously published stories.

If something is a excerpt, it should neither be merged or varianted. An excerpt is not the same work as the original, but a significant modification. It should remain a separate record with appropriate notes.

-- JLaTondre (talk) 21:45, 19 April 2019 (EDT)

I wanted to merge this with this, but because of different graphics by the author, but it is the same work.Hyju 21:05, 2 April 2020 (EDT)

You linked to the original French novel and an English translation. Translations are varianted to the original (I have varianted the English translation to the original French). The artwork is irrelevant when talking about the novels. We don't treat two editions of the same novel as different works because they have different artwork. The novels are the same work. The art works is different works and they have their own records. Hopefully that explanation made since. If not, please let me know. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:03, 2 April 2020 (EDT)

I was wrong, they are in French, so they can be the same text.Hyju 22:14, 2 April 2020 (EDT)

Okay, I merged them to other record with the same author credit. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:10, 3 April 2020 (EDT)

Magazines with the same name

I discovered that King Kong had a two-part story in Mystery Magazine, but I went to see in Galactic Central and says that it is a magazine different from that registered in ISFDB and that before had another name.Hyju 06:37, 21 April 2019 (EDT)

Big Big Book

We credit per the publication. While the external reference site may lump them together, these two books were published under this name so should be credited this way. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:58, 21 April 2019 (EDT)

Os Extraordinários

Hi, I get the feeling that this is a comic book (banda desenhada? história em quadrinhos?). Am I right?--Dirk P Broer 17:18, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

No, it's an anthology of versions of the stories by Lucchetti.Hyju 17:24, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

I know I can not publish comic books, Lucchetti started in pulp magazines and is the author of several paperbacks.Hyju 17:50, 24 April 2019 (EDT)

Why so many authors? Is there an editor? If not, can't Lucchetti be that?--Dirk P Broer 04:54, 25 April 2019 (EDT)

They are recreations of the stories, I did as in others where the original author is credited as coauthor, the editor is Dario Chaves, I think it better to submit again.Hyju 05:52, 25 April 2019 (EDT)

Data sources and A Prince of Mars

Hi. I accepted A Prince of Mars and added the price and link to the cover, both from Amazon. I also gave Amazon as the source of the data in the pub notes. Please remember to document the source of data if you don't have the book. Thanks. --MartyD 08:03, 1 May 2019 (EDT)

I did the same with the submissions for the other four books in that series. --MartyD 08:12, 1 May 2019 (EDT)

Thanks.Hyju 08:26, 1 May 2019 (EDT)

Swords of Aerides

I rejected your submission for this pub. At the least, you misspelled the series name. Amazon names the series for this pub as "Darius of Avinon" and "Prince of Avinon" (obvious inconsistency). But I suggest you use one or the other of the Amazon suggestions. Bob 19:17, 1 May 2019 (EDT)

I think it is better not to put a series, since there is only one book, if another one comes out, it may be that this is clarified.Hyju 19:40, 1 May 2019 (EDT)

Prometheus II

Instead of submitting a moderator note stating the variant, you can make the variant yourself. To do that:

1. Go to the cover art record for the original publication, Amazing Stories, February 1948
2. Copy the URL
3. Go to the cover art record for the newer publication, Prometheus II
4. Click the "Make This Title a Variant" under "Editing tools" in the left menu
5. In Option 1 section at the top of the screen

• Paste the URL from step 2 into the "Parent #" box
• Click the "Link to Existing Parent" button

I have left this one for you to try. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:20, 4 May 2019 (EDT)

Thanks, I was in doubt, there is a cover that is credited to Corbis, but I discovered the author, can I change? The Mammoth Book of Golden Age Science Fiction is a same cover of Science Stories, February 1954.Hyju 16:34, 4 May 2019 (EDT)

We credit per the pub so if the pub makes an error, we still enter the pub credit and then variant to the correct name. This is the same case so I left it Corbis, but varianted to the original artwok and added a title note with an explanation. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:03, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

I have another doubt, I found one more adaptation of King Kong, but the magazine has a name similar to another publication, how do I?

I'm not sure what you are asking. If you provide links, I'll take a look. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:03, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

From Galactic Central. Galactic Central credits Edgar Wallace, but Wikipedia and other sources say that the ghost writer of this adaptation was Walter F. Ripperger.Hyju 12:40, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

It would be credited to Edgar Wallace and then varianted to Walter F. Ripperger. Notes regarding the ghost writing should be in both the magazine publication notes and the title notes. That will avoid any confusion down the road. -- JLaTondre (talk) 13:05, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

When I added this adaptation, I discovered that it was another magazine, the Mystery Magazine that is registered only has the years 1926 and 1927, this story would have been in 1933, so I went to see the other issues in the Galatic Central and says that this Mystery Magazine began to be published in 1929 and was called The Illustrated Detective Magazine until 1932.Hyju 13:11, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

The magazine Adventure Gaming got the issues out of order, can you fix it?Hyju 21:08, 5 May 2019 (EDT)

Cover Art Editions

I'm holding several edits that would add cover art credits to pubs. What is the source for the cover credit? When data is not from the publication itself, the secondary source needs to be listed in the pub notes. This is especially true of verified pubs. Let me know and I'll accept and update the notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:02, 25 December 2019 (EST)

I look for other editions, when the art looks like no other, I use OCR and I find in the searchers, the cover of Quest for Fire is from the movie poster, La Guerra del Fuoco joins two Frazetta arts, Isaac Asimov Presents the Best Science Fiction of the 19th Century I found in OCR, I will credit them later. Hyju 10:13, 25 December 2019 (EST)

Writers of the Future, Volume 30 cover artist credit

Hi. What is the source of your proposed cover artist credit for L. Ron Hubbard Presents Writers of the Future, Volume 30? I don't see that credit on Amazon, which is the only source given for the data. The notes need to be adjusted to reflect where it comes from. Thanks. --MartyD 07:05, 31 December 2019 (EST)

Generally, the covers of this collection are repeated in different formats, I searched the ISBN and found in Google Books, the ISBNs inside the book and there was the Kindle version. Googl Books.Hyju 07:10, 31 December 2019 (EST)

Sorry about the delay. That is fine, but then you should record that information in the publication's notes. For example "Cover art credit from Kindle edition". Then if someone finds some contradictory information (for example, perhaps they find a source showing it has a different cover), they will be able to decide whether to adjust the record or make another one for a different edition. I will add that note. --MartyD 13:45, 4 January 2020 (EST)

The War of the Worlds

The cover of the Belgian edition of 1906 is not Alvim Correa's art, they use an interior art as if it were the cover, the cover is here: La Guerre des Mondes.Hyju 09:04, 31 December 2019 (EST)

So much so that this cover is uses the same illustration of the other covers.Hyju 09:07, 31 December 2019 (EST)

Doctor Omega and the Shadowmen

Hi. I have your submission on hold to add this anthology to the Shadowmen series. Doesn't the series 'Doctor Omega' also take a role? Or is it independent from it and the titling is just coincidence? Thanks, Stonecreek 04:55, 5 January 2020 (EST)

I had this doubt, but I saw that all the books are linked as Tales of Shadowmen and the tales in their respective series, since you can not put two series, some crossovers are complicated as King Kong vs tarzan and Doc Savage: Skull Island.Hyju 05:47, 5 January 2020 (EST)

When it's indeed a crossover it shouldn't be part of one of the series. So it seems better to reject or cancel the submission. Stonecreek 23:35, 5 January 2020 (EST)

I put in the series, stories where it appears alone.Hyju 08:40, 6 January 2020 (EST)

Queen of the Martian Catacombs

It seems we already have that one in the database: same ISBN, same price, just the format is different. I have put the submission on hold. Christian Stonecreek 03:13, 16 January 2020 (EST)

I was wrong, already have both versions.Hyju 04:58, 16 January 2020 (EST)

Variant?

Hi, one small question: why is this a variant?--Dirk P Broer 15:25, 2 February 2020 (EST)

I was unable to check as a duplicate, so I indicated it as a variant.Hyju 15:34, 2 February 2020 (EST)

The Cave Boy of the Age of Stone

I accepted your addition of the 2009 Dodo The Cave Boy of the Age of Stone. However, can you please double check the notes. It has "Cover credits from" with no source. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:24, 31 March 2020 (EDT)

La Guerre des mondes

A question: Was this a text abridgement with illustrations or is it in a comics format? And what is the source of the book (it needs to be added to the Notes when you are not verifying :). Thanks! Annie 19:57, 22 September 2020 (EDT)

It is the illustrated text, although Jacobs drew comics (he was Hergé's assistant and also had his own works), but it only had a bound edition in 1986. In this ad, you can see the pages. Hyju 20:44, 22 September 2020 (EDT)

Thanks! That's why I asked - I recognized the name (I like comics even though they are not eligible for this DB :)) so wanted to make sure that we are not adding something that is not eligible actually. We usually would not add the artist in the chapbook level (unless they are on the title page with the same billing as the author) -- we would include the adapter if they are on the title page. You would not know who the adapter is or have the title page I suspect? Any idea of the translator? Technically if you know the issues numbers of Tintin, the initial magazines publication is also eligible to be added as a serialization :) I will do some more digging and approve and adjust your submission later today or tomorrow. Annie 20:57, 22 September 2020 (EDT)

This link has the editions, although I still don't understand. I named Jacobs because of the cover.Hyju 21:27, 22 September 2020 (EDT)

We go by title page, not by cover when we can get the title page. It is somewhat common in illustrated books for the cover to give equal credit to both the author and the illustrator but the title page often gives the correct credit information. Thus me asking. :) Annie 21:32, 22 September 2020 (EDT)

Pages.Hyju 14:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

Hercólubus ou Planeta Vermelho

Hello. I have your submission on hold for a moment as I'm wondering what source you have used for this submission? Also, as you may have seen the warning message, pre 2005 publications never have a ISBN-13 (if this happen, it is easy to use your browser's back button, correct and re-submit - you can then go to 'My Pending Edits', and reject the erroneous submission yourself). Regards,

I saw it on sales sites and on Amazon.Hyju 17:31, 23 September 2020 (EDT)

I've accepted your submission but added note that data came from Amazon BR, changed the ISBN to ISBN-10, and changed the format to 'unknown' as I couldn't find confirmation that it was a 'pb' (ie smaller than 4.25 by 7 inches). The result is here If you happen to know (a source for) the book's dimensions, do submit an update and add the data source to the notes. Regards, MagicUnk 14:34, 25 September 2020 (EDT)

A quick ISBN search finds this showing the size as 12x17 which will make it "tp" because of the width (and is consistent with pocket editions not originating in the US for the most part). Most non-US books which are known to be paperbacks are going to be "tp" (except for the special case of the German and sometimes French pocket paperbacks) so when you are not sure how large it is, making it a "tp" with a note is preferred to making it "unknown" IMO. In the very least a note should have been added that the book is a paperback if the format is left as "unknown". I've added a note and fixed the format. :) Annie 14:51, 25 September 2020 (EDT)

Thanks Annie. It was submitted as pb, and I suspected (rightly so it turns out) that that might not have been correct. I didn't search for additional evidence though, so opted for the unknown. Thanks again for correcting this. Regards, MagicUnk 15:17, 25 September 2020 (EDT)

L. Ron Hubbard Presents

Hello. I have two submissions (here and here) of yours on hold as I don't think Echo Chernik can be considered the cover artist. Amazon's LookInside says 'Illustrations Art Directed by Echo Chernik', which leads me to believe he is at most the designer of the cover, not the actual artist(s). Or am I missing something obvious here? Regards, MagicUnk 14:29, 27 September 2020 (EDT)

On her website, there is a post about the cover.Hyju 15:29, 27 September 2020 (EDT)

Thanks, approved, and link added to title. Regards, MagicUnk 15:55, 27 September 2020 (EDT)

Plagues, Apocalypses and Bug-eyed Monsters

When a publication has been verified as not having a cover artist credit & you are adding a credit based on another source, you need to add a publication note specifying the source. Please see the note I added to Plagues, Apocalypses and Bug-eyed Monsters as an example. This requirement has been mentioned to you previously. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:20, 1 October 2020 (EDT)

Cover date for Men of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters, and the Birth of the Comic Book

I've approved your edit for the notes to the cover art of Cover date for Men of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters, and the Birth of the Comic Book. However, I've also reverted the date edit back to 2004-10-30. A title record should reflect the date that the artwork first was published with the given title. So, unless thee was a publication named "Men of Tomorrow: Geeks, Gangsters, and the Birth of the Comic Book" in 1940 with the same cover art, the date needs to reflect the date that the title for that artwork changed. Let me know if you have any questions about this. Thanks. --Ron ~ Rtrace^Talk 14:22, 1 October 2020 (EDT)

Okay, I don't remember who put 1940, I put the date of the art's origin, I put it as a variant cover, since both use the same panels.Hyju 14:42, 1 October 2020 (EDT)

The Adventures of Saturnin Farandoul

If I had approved this, it would change the title inside of the two books that contain the image. So instead of this, make a new parent for the title using "Make This Title a Variant" from the left menu on the title (instead of Edit) and then use Option 2. Let me know if you have any questions or need assistance. Annie 00:57, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

The Story of AB

A note and a question about this one:

• A size of 6x9 inches means tp and not pb. pb is used only for standard sized American mass market books or books as small as that.
• You added an interior art with a title different from the title of the book. Is it explicitly named that way in this specific book? If not, the policy is to use the book title as is.

Thanks Annie 01:01, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

I wanted to demonstrate that they were the same arts as the 1904 edition, as well as the cover is a variant of interiorart, I saw in Project Gutenberg.Hyju 07:14, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

We do that with variants and notes, not with naming things weirdly. :) Annie 10:04, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

Hi! I changed the title for this one to the canonical. It seems that Amazon missed out on this one (for it's purpose is not to supply the correct bibliographical data): the cover of the publication shows "The Story of Ab", not the stated "The Story of AB" and the look inside shows the full title on the title page. Please be careful when using Amazon data, even more so when it's for publications that came out more than, say, ten years ago. Stonecreek 10:45, 8 October 2020 (EDT)

Importing covers

When the cover is already in the DB with the correct title, language and author name, you can just import it instead of adding it and requiring a manual merge after that. Let me know if you had never used the import function and I will post some explanations. Thanks! Annie 21:25, 11 October 2020 (EDT)

I do not know how to do.Hyju 21:40, 11 October 2020 (EDT)

• Step 1: Find the cover in the DB - for example this one. If you look at the top right corner or on the address bar, you see the title ID: 636697.
• Step 2: Go to the book you want to import the cover into. For example this one (it already has it so do not import twice - just using it as an example)
• Step 3: Look at the left menu and find "Import Content". It opens this for the book. Some help is available in this link as well.
• Step 4: In Option 2, paste the ID you found in step 1 and press "Import Titles". That's it.

Option 1 can be used if you want to import all the titles from another publication; Option 2 allows multiple imports (just use the Plus and add one ID per line and can be used to import any content - covers, art, stories and so on.

Let me know if I can assist with anything else. Annie 21:48, 11 October 2020 (EDT)

Mission to a Distant Star (Complete Novel)

Hi,

Serials such as "Mission to a Distant Star (Complete Novel)" can be used only in magazines; in any other book you should use the novel itself. The Complete Novel bit at the end is how we are able to add novels into magazines :) Annie 03:11, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

Fünf Wochen im Ballon

When importing contents, please make sure what you are importing matches the language of the book you are importing in. I approved this one by mistake and had to undo it - this is a German book so if you want to add an essay and/or a cover, they need to be in German. Thanks! Annie 05:19, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

Jean Mac Coté / Cote

In fact, his name is written Coté, I think there should be only one entry.Hyju 07:19, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

Ralph 124C 41+: A Romance of the Year 2660

See my note here. According to the note in the publication the cover is a colored version of one of the internal pieces. One of the PVs is active so can you discuss this with him so we can figure out what the case is. Thanks! Annie 08:25, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

A Monster of the Abyss

Regarding this submission: Do you have Lost Transmissions or another source that shows this is the same picture? Or are you basing it on the title only? The links you provide are all for the original version and not related to Lost Transmissions. If you are basing it on the title, we do not make assumptions based on name alone (too much likelihood of mistakes). While I would agree it is most likely the same, we would need confirmation from the verifier (Rtrace who is active). You are welcome to ask him to confirm. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:39, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

En L'An 2000 is a series of postcards designed by Jean Marc Coté and other authors, in most searches, the English versions appear, published by Isaac Asimov in 1986, I found the original version in Gallica, France's digital library, for this indicated that the original name was different.Hyju 14:10, 12 October 2020 (EDT)

The question I asked though is how do you know that the image within Lost Transmissions is this image and not the same name used for another of the artist's images? -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:31, 13 October 2020 (EDT)

It's the same name that appears on Wikimedia Commons, I don't have the book, but I think it's the same. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hyju (talk • contribs) .

As I said above, "we do not make assumptions based on name alone (too much likelihood of mistakes)". Publishers have been known to make mistakes or otherwise due odd things. Basing submissions on assumptions is a good way to enter bad data in the long run. I have asked Rtrace to check his publication. -- JLaTondre (talk) 07:50, 17 October 2020 (EDT)

Rtrace has confirmed it is the same artwork and I have accepted the submission. Thanks for finding this. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:32, 17 October 2020 (EDT)

The variants to comics covers

Can you hold on on these for a bit - I am going to open a discussion on these. I will keep the ones already submitted on hold. If we agree that these in scope, I will ask you to follow the correct naming convention for magazines when you create them as well (now I will need to edit every single one post approval ("Magazine, issue, date" - the comics/magazine name needs to be followed by a comma before edition specific info is added).

Under the current rules, we do NOT allow cover records for non-genre not in scope magazines when we add the magazines for speculative contents unless the covers themselves are in scope as illustrations for the stories we are adding or if they are from a known artist (see the covers section). However - if we create these records here and any of these magazines/comics turn out to have a text story that is eligible, now we have the cover and not adding it to the record will be silly. So catch 22 :) I think these can go under "known artists" but I need to get a second opinion on these so if you can just hold off for a couple of days until we get a consensus, it will be helpful :)

In case you were wondered, that is why they had been staying on the board -- I suspect most of the moderarotors had been thinking in the same line. Thanks for the understanding! Annie 01:45, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

I understand, but there are cases where they are clearly comic books, but classified as graphic format, I have put them as covers or interior art, illustrations with their original dates, if artists like Eisner or Lou Fine have died, how can they be authors of new covers? ?Hyju 10:16, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

They don’t. Our dates show when the cover/piece of art is used under that specific title and language (and author form), not when it was originally created and published as art. Annie 12:29, 14 October 2020 (EDT)

So after some conversations, here is the current status of the issue:

• We do not create parent records if these records are not eligible on their own.
• When we know these credits, we add the information for them in the notes.
• We date based on the first time the cover is used under this specific title.

Feel free to start a discussion in R&S if you would like to propose a different way of handling these. In the meantime, I will reject the variants and will add notes where we lack them with the credit you uncovered. Thanks for finding these and sorry for the delay in handling them. Annie 14:23, 20 October 2020 (EDT)

I also edited these: http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2542816 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2786642 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2786641 .Hyju 15:39, 20 October 2020 (EDT)

Thanks! I will clean them up. Thanks for working on the covers! Annie 15:48, 20 October 2020 (EDT)

Sankofia: Breves histórias sobre Afrofuturismo

About this one: Collection, not anthology (one author makes a collection) and of course it is - between the title and the description, it is obvious it is not a novel. :) Next time simply submit a publication update changing the type both of the title and the publication as I just did (plus I fixed a few more issues with this record). Thanks for finding it. :) Annie 16:06, 8 February 2021 (EST)

Frederik Pohl Super Pack

In this submission, it looks like you chose the wrong id to import. The contents to be imported are unrelated to the publication. I have rejected the submission. Please resubmit with the correct id. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:05, 14 February 2021 (EST)

Tales of Wakanda

Hi, you might want to compare your submission for Tales of Wakanda with the present publication record for Tales of Wakanda. I used the same source as you, but there are substantial differences in the titles, names and number of titles.--Dirk P Broer 11:16, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Chris Achilleos death date

Hi, do you have a reference for him dying on Dec 9th? That was when it became public knowledge, but this tweet explicitly says he passed on Monday i.e. the 6th. I know Wikipedia said the 9th at some point yesterday - looks like you'd also made an edit to his page there? - but it now says the 6th. Annoyingly it looks like it was changed on Wikipedia to the 6th by an anonymous editor who hasn't provided any references, so it's not especially convincing in its own right. A quick Google for his name doesn't throw up any other sources.

(It looks like we'd both submitted edits for this in parallel, but for different dates, and the 2 mods that accepted them didn't notice they had contradictory info.) ErsatzCulture 11:45, 10 December 2021 (EST)

Thanks for the hint, I corrected the date. Christian Stonecreek 12:08, 10 December 2021 (EST)

John Stanley - Fantastic Fictioneers: A History of the Incredible Volume Two

The book credits John Stanley, but John Stanley is not the same writer who wrote non-fiction, but a cartoonist.Hyju 21:29, 15 June 2022 (EDT)

The Raid on the Termites

Regarding this submission: What is the source that these other contents are in this chapbook? As far as I can tell, this publication appears to be only the Ernst story. Also, for the cover, each publication's cover should be titled after the publication. If it is a reuse, the new cover title would be varianted to the original. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:04, 26 July 2022 (EDT)

As there has been no response, I have had to reject the edit. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:04, 6 August 2022 (EDT)

Os últimos dias de Krypton

Hello. I will have to reject your submission if you don't provide the source of the data you used for this submission. Remember: always add details in the Note field of where you got the data from, what printing this is, (why it doesn't have an ISBN??) and so on. Thanks! MagicUnk 08:06, 31 August 2022 (EDT)

The source was a Brazilian site: Mercado Livre, an online marketplace website, I didn't put the ISBN because it's the same as the previous edition, there's the cover of the new edition. Shopee Ads also confirm ISBN on the back cover Shopee Ads also confirm ISBN on the back cover.Hyju 08:39, 31 August 2022 (EDT)

Thank you for the information. It doesn't matter if the ISBN has been re-used for a new printing/edition. Do add it, and clarify in the notes that it is the same ISBN as the previous edition. Then it's clear to everyone what's going on. Some other attention points:

• Price - you can add R$22.90, and mention that it was obtained from that website as of 20220831.
• Also, I've updated the publisher to LeYa, as that seems to be the new publisher of this book.
• Format should be tp. Only use pb for paperback books smaller than 7x4.25 inches. Anything larger is tp.
• Translator has to go in the Notes field of the title record.
• I've also uploaded the cover.

Finally, can you explain where you got the date 2019 from? I would think it has to be 2020 (see comment in Notes field). Feel free to submit a correction if that'd turn out to be wrong.

Have a look here. MagicUnk 12:27, 31 August 2022 (EDT)

Casa da Palavra is an imprint of LeYa. I have the 2013 edition, the 2019 date I took from having picked up the book in hand at a bookstore, as I saw that it was a new grave, I decided to search Google if there was any information.Hyju 16:12, 31 August 2022 (EDT)

The translator is the same as in the other edition.Hyju 16:13, 31 August 2022 (EDT)

The website also describes the year 2019:"Ano de publicação 2019".Hyju 16:18, 31 August 2022 (EDT)

Thanks for the additional information. Please do go back in and update any inaccuracies that I may have left - or introduced ;) Thanks again, regards, MagicUnk 03:18, 1 September 2022 (EDT)

Can't see older edits? I wanted to find a cover that used a NASA art and I wanted to see the artist's name that I forgot, because I want to edit it on Wikimedia Commons.Hyju 07:38, 1 September 2022 (EDT)

You can see older edits of a title or publication record. Look at the right hand side of the record, and there you will find [Edit History] - do note that it is not perfect, but you can read any notes to moderators, for example, or deduce what has been changed by comparing subsequent edits. Hope this helps. MagicUnk 08:06, 1 September 2022 (EDT)

I wanted to see issues older than 3 months.Hyju 11:50, 1 September 2022 (EDT)

(indent) Ah, OK - I misunderstood. If I'm not mistaken, Ahasuerus has limited the history to 3 months or so. You would have to ask him if there's a possibility to go back further than that. Regards, MagicUnk 12:43, 1 September 2022 (EDT)

er 2022 (EDT)

Thanks, I already found it, it was an art by Les Bossinas, this is the category on Commons: Artists who have produced work for NASA.Hyju 07:55, 4 September 2022 (EDT)

Kwa of the Jungle

This one is a collection and not an omnibus - you need two full length titles for an omnibus. So when the complete series contains only stories, the combined edition will be a collection (or anthology of there is more than one author for the series). I fixed it post approval. Annie (talk) 17:35, 15 September 2022 (EDT)

Thanks, I sent the edits where each story came out.Hyju (talk) 17:37, 15 September 2022 (EDT)

We are a bit behind on the queue - someone will get to them in the next few days. Depending on who and when, they may or may not merge so check to make sure all is merged at one point. :) Annie (talk) 17:47, 15 September 2022 (EDT)

I think it's better to have it merged when I have everything, for now, I'm marking variant covers.Hyju (talk) 17:51, 15 September 2022 (EDT)

Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas

I rejected this one. When dealing with translations, the rules for covers (and interior art) are the same as the ones for text: if the language changes, we want a variant. So in this case, add a cover into the book and once the coverart is created as an English cover with the title "Twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Seas", variant that to the French cover you just tried to import. Let me know if you have any questions. Annie (talk) 18:57, 15 September 2022 (EDT)

Same for this one. Annie (talk) 18:58, 15 September 2022 (EDT)

Thrilling Adventures magazines

A few notes on all of these:

• Galactic Central links are unstable - when they add a new magazine, the links for all existing magazines after it change. So we do not add them as publication links - instead add them in the Notes to moderator.
• For non-genre magazines such as this one, we ONLY add the stories which are genre. I will approve the magazines and eject the stories which do not belong but do you know which (if any) of the non-Kwa stories are genre? If you are not sure, all but the Kwa stories will need to be removed.
• You may want to review Help:Entering non-genre periodicals :)
• A source note is ALWAYS required. Even when it seems obvious where the data is coming from - "Data from Galactic Central" or something like that should be in the Pub notes.

I will approve and fix the ones you have on the board now as soon as we sort out what is actually in scope. Thanks! Annie (talk) 13:40, 16 September 2022 (EDT)

Thanks, not sure which ones are non-gender.Hyju (talk) 15:22, 16 September 2022 (EDT)

I will do some digging later today and see what I can figure out. :) Annie (talk) 15:28, 16 September 2022 (EDT)

Source notes

And again: Unless you are verifying and every single piece of information in the record comes from the book at hand, a sources note is MANDATORY. It does not matter how many external IDs and Web pages you list - they are not notes, they can change and more can be added or removed. So in books such as this one, make sure you have a note on the Pub Note field. If certain details are coming only from one of the sources, it is a good idea to note it as well. The basic rule is that every book should have a source noted in the Pub note or a primary verification. Thanks! Annie (talk) 15:17, 21 September 2022 (EDT)

Also a size of 13,5 x 20,5cm (as per bigorna.net) makes this one a tp and not a pb (it is bigger in both dimensions and it needs just one to become a tp ("For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"."). See the help page on how we define pb/tp. For most paperbacks, the format will be "tp", "pb" is for US-sized mass market paperbacks. Annie (talk) 15:20, 21 September 2022 (EDT)

Thanks, I just saw that I made a mistake on another book I sent, canceled it and sent it again.Hyju (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2022 (EDT)

Jerry Siegel's & Joe Shuster's Science Fiction Full

Where are you looking at the contents for this one? Because it definitely does not match the look inside for the paperback in Amazon and as it is your only source, I am very very confused. Annie (talk) 17:17, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

It is an omnibus from previous editions, the first that published the story and the second that has the adaptation in comics.Hyju (talk) 17:29, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

But the titles don't match the contents from Amazon.com and Amazon.com even shows the exact pages for this edition. Omnibuses can move stories around, rename them and so on. Unless you know that the contents are different from the contents page (in which case it needs to be documented in the notes), we catalog what we know about a book, not what we think it should contain. Would you like to reject this one on your own and resubmit with either proper notes on the provenance of the titles in it or with the correct list of titles? Annie (talk) 17:32, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

Omnibus vs colllection

If the contents is ONLY short stories, the book is a collection (or an anthology) and not an omnibus. The same situation we had with this one happened today here again. Please try to select the correct type for these - it does not matter how publishers or sites or authors call books - we have our own definitions and we follow them strictly. Thanks! I fixed this one. :) Annie (talk) 17:27, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

Box set with The Time Machine, Frankenstein, Armageddon 2419 A.D and Journey to the Center of the Earth was released , although they are individual books, they are sold as a box and also in an e-book, so there is only one ISBN (which is different in the e-book), do I put the same ISBN for all of them? https://www.gruponovoseculo.com.br/box-mestres-primordiais?search=primordiais https://www.amazon.com.br/Mestres-Primordiais-Shelley-Francis-Nestarez/dp/6555613084/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Hyju (talk) 09:09, 8 March 2023 (EST)

If you do, add a note explaining WHY they have the same ISBN and that they are part of a set - up to you if you want to add them as separate books at all (as sets get broken and books show up on their own, I would usually). And also add the complete box as an omnibus - that's how we add box sets. Annie (talk) 11:27, 9 March 2023 (EST)

The e-book version has the 4 books in one.Hyju (talk) 13:45, 9 March 2023 (EST)

I found the individual ISBN and 3 different ISBN for the boxes.Hyju (talk) 13:58, 25 March 2023 (EDT)

The Amazons

Just a little tip: When working on Brazilian books, Amazon Brazil (amazon.com.br) often has better data than Amazon.com (they are actually different sites) including prices and often better dates and better publisher field records. I added the price here. Sometimes you need to do a mix and match between the two but it is a useful resource when you work in Portuguese (European Portuguese books usually have good records in amazon.nl or amazon.de, occasionally in amazon.es or Amazon.it and even more occasionally in Amazon.co.uk (in case you are adding any of these. Amazon.com is probably the worst choice for these) :) Annie (talk) 18:47, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

Are books of religious origin novels? I went up the "Os exilados de Capela", the author is a Kardecist, I saw that the book Hercolubus is considered a short story.Hyju (talk) 18:52, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

We don't consider religious stories to be fiction because their believers don't create/read them as such. So we don't add the Bible, origin stories of the saints and their counterparts from other religions into the DB. Some slip now and then and when we catch them, we delete them. Short fiction/novel is purely decided based on length - you need 40K words for a novel; anything shorter is a short fiction record.

So if that book is written as a religious text and not as fiction, it is not eligible to be added to the DB. If it is created as fiction, it does not matter if the author is the Pope - it can be eligible if it has speculative elements. Annie (talk) 19:02, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

I understand, the book uses ancient astronaut toeria and pre-adamite, but it is sold as a religious book and quoted by ufologists, I deleted the submissions that are more religious, if I find any novel inspired by them, I'll post it here.Hyju (talk) 19:08, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

Yup, with these books author intent matters. If the author believes it to be true, it is not ours because it is not fiction and not related to fiction (ergo not eligible). Same with UFO books, Sasquatch books, secret societies books and so on. If someone takes their believes and make a novel out of it, we want it - think X-Files for example. :) Annie (talk) 19:14, 23 September 2022 (EDT)

I found an essay by Asimov translated into portuguese in a version of the World Year Book, in Asimov Online it says that it was originally published in 1966, the Brazilian book was published in 1968, what caught my attention was having art by Arthur Lidov, only I'm not sure if the original book had the same arts.

Essays are a bit special under the ROA:

• Genre essays are always in as long as they are "published" - see the speculative fiction for what published means for us - aka posting on the author site or an online non-genre webzine does not count; printed and ebooks and speculative fiction ezines count.
• Non-genre essays (not related to speculative fiction even with a degree of separation): if the author is above threshold (Asimov is), it is eligible if it is published in a book or in an already eligible periodical. So an essay about the Bible or about science in the Sunday paper or in a science magazine is not eligible; its reprint into a book (collected essays for example) or into a genre magazine is. For authors not above the treshold, these are always ineligible unless they are in an already eligible speculative book/periodical.
• Translations follow the same rules (thus making a translation eligible when the original is not occasionally - if one wants to add the translated collected essays which were never collected in the original for example).

Not sure which of his essays you mean but keep that in mind.

Which all this being said, if the Portuguese book is eligible, add it (or if the essay is genre - then the book may be eligible as non-genre with only this essay as contents) and then sort out the art credits later. :) Annie (talk) 17:33, 26 September 2022 (EDT)

:This is the essay: How Far Will We Go in Space? , I thought it was strange not having the original book, the Brazilian book is from 1968, I don't know if all the content is the same.Hyju (talk) 17:49, 26 September 2022 (EDT)

The book is not eligible because of the exception I mentioned above or as the ROA explains it: "Works (both fiction and non-fiction) which are not related to speculative fiction, but were produced by authors who have otherwise published works either of or about speculative fiction over a certain threshold (see below). This includes any non-genre works published as standalone books as well as non-genre short fiction, but excludes non-fiction which was not published as a standalone book. Thus, Poul Anderson's mysteries and his non-fiction book about thermonuclear weapons will be included, but Gregory Benford's professionally published scientific articles will be excluded."

That means that if one of our authors writes introductions to 100s of romance novels, these introductions and the their novels are not eligible to be added just because it is an introduction by an above the threshold author. Or if an above threshold author writes a cooking column in a daily newspaper - until they get collected in a book form. Same with this book -- as the essay is science and not speculative fiction related and is inside of an otherwise ineligible work, it is not technically eligible in its first appearance. I am not sure the translation is eligible either (I don't think it is) -- not a standalone book and all that but the area is a bit grey - the rule allows some wiggle room.

However, we also have a lot of eligible titles which are not added in their first appearance but are just noted into the notes. Adding notes is better than nothing so some editors would do that when they do not have time (or the will) to chase down the specific title and add its first appearance. We have a report somewhere on missing first appearances. The DB is a work in progress :) Annie (talk) 13:32, 27 September 2022 (EDT)

So it's better to delete.Hyju (talk) 13:38, 27 September 2022 (EDT)

Mark Counter's Kin

I fixed what I could here but where is the month coming from? OCLC and BL confirm 1990 (but no month as usual) and Goodreads (which was your only listed source) shows just 1990 as well. As a rule, if your source (and/or an external ID you are adding) and your data disagree, you must write a note explaining the discrepancy - this month needs a source. Also - if the Goodreads record belongs to another version of the book (as was the case here with 2423699), you don't add it as an external ID but template it into the notes - this is NOT a record for the Corgi edition (it was for the Dell one of 1994) so it cannot be in the Corgi edition external IDs. However, there is a separate record for the Corgi edition in Goodreads so I swapped for that. You also had the page number from the Dell edition and not the Corgi one. Annie (talk) 15:08, 27 September 2022 (EDT)

Thanks, I took the date from the Bunduki entry on Wikipedia.Hyju (talk) 15:13, 27 September 2022 (EDT)

Then this needs to be in the notes. Would you like to add it or do you want me to? :) Annie (talk) 15:46, 27 September 2022 (EDT)

The prices again

Just a gentle reminder that we always want the list price, not the current Amazon price. See for example this one. It is free if you have Kindle Unlimited BUT under the big "Read for Free" button, there is a small link saying "Want to buy for $2.99?". This is the list price and this is the price we need to be recorded. I fixed it in this one. Let me know if you have any questions. Annie (talk) 17:51, 29 September 2022 (EDT)

PS: And we never use the "Pages" field for ebooks - the number of pages for them go into the notes. We even have a special bullet point explaining that in the help page for the field. I fixed that as well. Annie (talk) 17:53, 29 September 2022 (EDT)

Owen R. Leonard

Owen R. Leonard wrote Tarzan pastiches, making him meet King Kong, Frankenstein, and Dracula, but removed the e-books from the Kindle, then re-released other novels like Tzaryd Meets Simian, which appears to be a remake of Tarzan meets King Kong, but I didn't find a source that proves this, can I add this in notes anyway?Hyju (talk) 18:48, 30 September 2022 (EDT)

Do you have the books? If so, enter them - a book in hand beats any online proof. If you don't, we do need a source. It does not need to be an online one - if someone somewhere mentions in an introduction or an essay, as long as we have a source, we can add anything. Also - try the web archive or Goodreads - both are very good at caching books which disappear from Amazon :)

PS: For questions like that, it is better to post on Community Support or another of the community boards than on your own page - people may not see the question here.:) Annie (talk) 19:46, 30 September 2022 (EDT)

I don't have, so the doubt, I thought that all the doubts I could clear here.Hyju (talk) 20:00, 30 September 2022 (EDT)

Post in Verification requests? Maybe someone does have one or more of the books or anything else that may give us our source. Annie (talk) 20:06, 30 September 2022 (EDT)

When adding synopses to title records

Hello, just a note to remind you of the Synopsis rules text. It says, in part, that "A synopsis from another source like a blurb or a bibliographic note may be used, in whole or in part. If you do, enclose the text in quotes, state the source and include the date. An English synopsis should be quoted verbatim, while a non-English synopsis should be translated, following the original as closely as possible and identifying the exact source of the text and its language. Use an ellipsis ("...") for omitted text. Individual words may be replaced for clarity, with the replacement enclosed in square brackets ("[]"). "
You didn't do that in this submission of yours, for example.
Also, if you're adding synopses, it's always a good idea to notify the moderator in the note to moderators field that it's your own synopsis - or alternatively, add synopsis per the rules cited above.

Concerning this same submission, Amazon's LookInside has 'Vesper Press' as publisher, and Fritz Bergen as cover artist. I've corrected that. Thanks! MagicUnk (talk) 06:11, 9 November 2022 (EST)

One more small thing here - Introductions (and other generic essays) need to have the name of the book attached to them if they do not have their own separate title. I fixed it here. Annie (talk) 13:36, 9 November 2022 (EST)

Bomba the Jungle Boy

I have three submissions [4], [5], [6] on hold as I can't find any speculative elements in them, so am reluctant to approve. Can you point to any spec fic elements? (merely being exceptionally strong doesn't cut it imo)
Also, any submission requires that you add the source of the data in the notes field (or alternatively, explain to the moderator what and why you are entering and/or updating data). This is 'mandatory', as that allows the moderators to quickly assess the validity (instead of second-guessing, or having to go on a hunt for the actual source you've used).
Finally, we don't add the series title to the title. Regards, MagicUnk (talk) 09:34, 10 November 2022 (EST)

The only difference is the covers. I tried to find other sources, only the MyComicShop link indicates anything.--Hyju (talk) 10:33, 10 November 2022 (EST)

Can you also answer my question on speculative fiction contents? I don't find any evindence, so these books shouldn't be in the ISFDB. MagicUnk (talk) 14:53, 16 November 2022 (EST)

The books were already registered, I just sent other editions, I don't know much about the books, just a little about the comics, Bomba is one of the Tarzan imitations.Hyju (talk) 15:13, 16 November 2022 (EST)

Ah, I see. I have approved your submissions. You can variant them to the parent title. Regards, MagicUnk (talk) 11:28, 29 November 2022 (EST)

Non-genre magazines and covers

Hello,

Under the current rules, non-genre magazines do not get covers (URL images or CoverArt records) unless the art illustrates the pieces eligible for the DB. So I need to reject (almost) all the covers you added for The Blue Book I am afraid. Annie (talk) 17:24, 10 November 2022 (EST)

PS: If any of these actually illustrate our stories, let me know and I can unreject and add a note to the publication explaining that. Thanks! Annie (talk) 17:25, 10 November 2022 (EST)

Eminences Grises

I have accepted Eminences Grises, but had to make a few changes:

• We do not include the series title on the publication when presented as a title & subtitle. We record only the individual volume title.
• When an essay is simply labeled Introduction, Foreword, or Preface, we add the publication title in parentheses. This is because some authors have written many introductions, etc. so we disambiguate them.
• There should have been a source provided in the notes. Even though you provided a link to the publisher's website, there needs to be a source note. This is to avoid confusion down the road.

I have made the necessary changes for this record. Thanks for submitting. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:48, 11 November 2022 (EST)

Paperback formats and notes

Hello,

Just a gentle reminder about a few of things:

• Unless you are primary verifying a book, notes are mandatory. Even if it is something as simple as "Data from Amazon.com as of 2022-12-21".
• "pb" is used for mass market paperbacks (US style); any other paperbacks are "tp". The relevant part of the help page is "For books as tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"." in the "pb" section here. A 6x9 inches book will always be "tp". :)
• When adding Amazon covers, clean up everything between the first dot and the extension (so https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51KWCrHrZJL._AC_SX60_CR.jpg should be https://m.media-amazon.com/images/I/51KWCrHrZJL.jpg

I fixed all of these here and some of them in earlier submissions. Thanks for adding the book! Annie (talk) 17:44, 21 December 2022 (EST)

Box collection

Box set with The Time Machine, Frankenstein, Armageddon 2419 A.D and Journey to the Center of the Earth was released , although they are individual books, they are sold as a box and also in an e-book, so there is only one ISBN (which is different in the e-book), do I put the same ISBN for all of them? https://www.gruponovoseculo.com.br/box-mestres-primordiais?search=primordiais https://www.amazon.com.br/Mestres-Primordiais-Shelley-Francis-Nestarez/dp/6555613084/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr= Hyju (talk) 15:30, 7 March 2023 (EST)

Tarzan the Mighty

I rejected Tarzan the Mighty because this is not a novel. It's likely a novelette, possibly a novella. Either way it needs to be entered as a CHAPBOOK. I think it will be easier for you to start over than convert Novel to Chapbook. Let me know if you need assistance. John Scifibones 17:04, 9 March 2023 (EST)

• Tarzan the Teen Years is clearly a short story.

Charles Dixon (20th century)

What is the basis for this submission? I'm not seeing any evidence these are the same person. Especially since Jones passed away in 2002 per his Wikipedia article and there are recently uploaded videos to the YouTube channel linked from Dixon's website. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:46, 19 May 2023 (EDT)

I made a mistake.Hyju (talk) 21:47, 19 May 2023 (EDT)

Marvel Comics Presents...

Greetings Hyju, I'm temporally holding this submission. Please notify the PV of your proposed change. Let's give a bit of time for concurrence. If there's no response I'll approve and probably add a note to the publication record. Thanks for finding this error. John Scifibones 13:32, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

Who claims that the author was the creator himself, Carl Burgos, was Sean Howe, author of the book Marvel Comics: The Untold Story.Hyju (talk) 14:10, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

I'm not disputing. I'm trying to get you to communicate with primary verifiers. John Scifibones 14:19, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

I don't think I know how to do this, I've been editing for a while, but I didn't have these questions, I thought that only the source was enough.Hyju (talk) 14:29, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

I unrejected the submission, there is no need to cancel it. I informed the PV of your change and asked for concurrence here. This is what I was suggesting you do. John Scifibones 14:40, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

PV concurs, submission approved. John Scifibones 06:09, 16 June 2023 (EDT)

Rocket Stories, July 1953 cover art credit

I'm holding holding this submission also. Communication with primary verifiers is mandatory, not optional. PV1 us very active. I'll watch for the resolution. John Scifibones 14:14, 15 June 2023 (EDT)

I have rejected your submission. I agree with, and implemented the PV's recommendation suggested here. John Scifibones 14:26, 16 June 2023 (EDT)

Aces 2-5

I have put the following submissions on hold:

• Aces #2
• Aces #3
• Aces #4
• Aces #5

All 4 submissions state that the language of this fanzine was "Ewe". Is it safe to assume that it was a typo and the language is actually English?

Also, we generally specify the source of our information in the Notes field. I see that the Ebay listing that you linked as a "Web Page" includes a series of photographs with Tarzan on Mars title pages from issues 2-7 of this fanzine. Is this the main source of the Contents data? TIA! Ahasuerus (talk) 14:48, 26 November 2023 (EST)

Yes, it was a mistake and I didn't realize it, yes, the Ebay link is the source, I knew that I had published Byrne's novel up to issue 7 (so much so that the cover was reused by the Lohae Press edition), but I didn't know when Right when I start, the Ebay link is in order, it's difficult to find many ads for this fanzine, this one has already been sold and one at any time, they'll be deleted. User:Hyju‎, 15:01, 26 November 2023 (EST)

Thanks for the clarification! I have approved the submissions, changed the language of the affected title records to English and then turned the 4 SERIAL records into variants of the main Tarzan on Mars NOVEL record. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:10, 26 November 2023 (EST)

Thank you, I found another edition from 1999, it uses the same art as Aces #7, so it should be another variant, this indicates that Byrne authorized the publication in the fanzine and even used interior art from these editions in the 1999 edition, I'm not sure about 2001.Hyju (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2023 (EST)

King Solomon's Mines / As minas de Salomão / As minas do Rei Salomão

Just a quick note to let you know that, after approving your submission, I updated a bunch of Portuguese translations of this book -- see the main title record. Not only did different Portuguese editions of this book use 2 different titles (and 2 different translators/adapters), but they also used different forms of Haggard's name: "H. Rider Haggard", "R. Haggard", "Henry Rider Haggard" and "Rider Haggard". I have created separate title records for the different title/author combinations and turned them into variants of the main title.

Normally we use the name of the author as it appears on the title page, but, in most of these case, I couldn't find online scans of title pages, so I had to use scans of books cover. If and when we find scans of title pages, we should be able to check and update these records as needed. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:34, 27 November 2023 (EST)

Thank you, in fact I had listed the book as being co-authored by Eça de Queiroz, he added some excerpts and reduced chapters, I even discussed it on the Kraang page, but Stonecreek, who reverted it to just a translation, argued that no, you You can see the discussion there, there is the Queiroz version page on Wikisource in Portuguese.Hyju (talk) 12:33, 27 November 2023 (EST)

Unfortunately, this is a tricky area. Some translators take liberties with the text to the point where it ends up being a different book. Here is a recent example:

• This novel started as an attempt by the Icelandic publisher and writer Valdimar Asmundsson to translate Bram Stoker's "Dracula". However, the resulting text was very different from Stoker's original, including new characters and a completely reworked plot.
• The text was first published in Reykjavik's periodical Fjallkonan between January 13, 1900 and March 20, 1901.
• The first book publication was in 1901 with an original introduction by Bram Stoker, which remained unknown outside of Iceland until 1986. It wasn't until 2014 that Hans Corneel de Roos discovered that the text was not just a translation, but a completely reworked novel.
• The first English translation appeared in 2016.

On the other hand, some translations are very sloppy, but they don't rise to the level of a "derivative work". Early English translations of Jules Verne's works are an infamous example -- some omitted as much as 25% of the text.

It can be hard to determine where some works fall on this spectrum. For example, our record for this Russian novel says:

• The 1939 version was a translation of L. Frank Baum's "The Wonderful Wizard of Oz" with a few new episodes added and other episodes removed. The 1959 version was rewritten and diverged from Baum's text. According to Wikipedia, Volkov also made a number of additional changes in post-1959 editions.

so it's similar to the "Le caverne dei diamanti" scenario, but the fact that the translator kept modifying the text makes it even more complicated. Always something... Ahasuerus (talk) 13:37, 27 November 2023 (EST)

Yes, at one point, Queiroz talks again about José Silvestre's ancestor (who are called Silveira by Queiroz) in chapter 5, something that does not exist in the original novel, in chapter 2, Quartemain (or Quartermar in the version that Queiroz) shows knowledge about Ophir, I don't know if there are other examples.Hyju (talk) 16:48, 27 November 2023 (EST)

A Caverna dos Diamantes

Could you please clarify the source of the data in this submission? TIA. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:45, 27 November 2023 (EST)

The font was the same as the previous edition:“As Minas de Salomão” (2) – por Henry Rider Haggard.Hyju (talk) 12:27, 27 November 2023 (EST)

Thanks for clarification; I have updated the Notes field with the details found in that article. I have also found this Biblio.com listing, which I used as the source for the publication series number and page count. Since it states that the dimensions are "19x12 cm", I have changed the format from "pb" to "tp" as per Help:Screen:NewPub:

• Any other book that is at least 7.25" (or 19 cm) tall, or at least 4.5" (11.5 cm) wide/deep, and is not a hardback, should be entered as "tp"

Could you please review the resulting record to make sure that everything looks OK? TIA. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:26, 27 November 2023 (EST)

1999 Tarzan on Mars - cover art and COLLECTION title

Re: this submission, I accidentally approved it before I had a chance to review it carefully. The cover image looks fine, but the submission also added a new COLLECTION title, "Tarzan on Mars" by Paul McCall, to this NOVEL publication. A NOVEL publication can't have a COLLECTION title, so I assume that something went wrong with the submission. Could you please clarify what you intended to do? TIA. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:42, 27 November 2023 (EST)

I don't understand how I could have made a mistake, it was a clone of the 2001 edition.Hyju (talk) 13:56, 27 November 2023 (EST)

It was interior art. I understand that it would be the art previously published in fanzines, but I'm not sure, I couldn't find any more pages from the book.Hyju (talk) 13:59, 27 November 2023 (EST)

No worries! I have approved the correction and everything looks much better now :-) Ahasuerus (talk) 14:12, 27 November 2023 (EST)

Tarzan on Mars should be unpublished, as it was vetoed, only the other editions need to have dates.Hyju (talk) 06:49, 28 November 2023 (EST)

An "unpublished" work/title is a work that has never been published under a given combination of author name, title and text. Once a title has been published, it is assigned the date of its first publication. In this case, Tarzan on Mars would have been considered "unpublished" between 1955, when Palmer first announced its existence and started his campaign to pressure ERB's estate to authorize its publication, and 1966, when the first unauthorized edition came out. The 1966 edition seems to have been limited to 10 copies, so it barely meets the standard for "being published" according to ISFDB:Policy#Published:

• The work was made available to people and/or organizations (e.g. libraries) outside of the publisher

However, as long as we agree that it was a "publication" in ISFDB terms, its date (1966) becomes the date of this title. If we decide that 10 copies is too few to make it a "real publication", then we will want to use the date of the next, "real", publication. Whether a publication was authorized or unauthorized doesn't affect title dates: we list many works and editions that were not authorized by the copyright/trademark holder, e.g. the first Ace edition of The Fellowship of the Ring (1965), which was not authorized by Tolkien.

Does this make sense? Ahasuerus (talk) 12:59, 28 November 2023 (EST)

I understand, I recently added an edition of Amazons of Zilikan by J T. Edson, it was registered as unpublished, I sent it myself last year, but this year, Picadilly Publishing finally released it and I sent it, but it remained as an unplisher (in fact , I cloned the previous publication), I just changed the title of the book to The Amazons of Zillikian: The Lost, Unfinished Novel!.Hyju (talk) 15:29, 28 November 2023 (EST)

Thanks, I have updated the title record and clarified the publication record based on the title page of the publication. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:44, 28 November 2023 (EST)

Romanzi d'Africa

Another quick note, this one about Romanzi d'Africa. After approving the submission I imported Le caverne dei diamanti into the publication. I then changed the publication type from COLLECTION to OMNIBUS since this publication collects book-length works. I also listed the non-SF novels included in this omnibus in the Notes field. Ahasuerus (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2023 (EST)

Имперские звезды / Imperskie zvezdy

After approving the addition of this publication, I made the following changes:

• Changed the value of the Transliterated Title field from "Imperial stars" to "Imperskie zvezdy". This field is for transliterations as opposed to translations. At one point we discussed creating a separate field for translations, but we were not able to reach consensus and it was never created.
• Changed the publication/container title types from COLLECTION to OMNIBUS. This publication collects 2 novels, so it's an omnibus.
• Changed the Format value from "pb" to "hc" since, according to Fantlab, it's a hardcover. Even if it was a softcover, it would be a "tp" as opposed to a "pb" because the book's dimensions are given as "130x200 mm" and Help:Screen:NewPub says:
  • Any other book that is at least 7.25" (or 19 cm) tall, or at least 4.5" (11.5 cm) wide/deep, and is not a hardback, should be entered as "tp".
• Added Notes to explain where our data comes from.
• Added Publication Series, "Стальная крыса", from the FantLab record
• Added page numbers to the first and second novel, also from the FantLab record

After that I create variant titles and alternate names, so everything appears to be in order now. Thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:05, 29 November 2023 (EST)

Thank You!!!Hyju (talk) 19:19, 29 November 2023 (EST)

Ka-Zar

Sorry about the delay -- I am a bit under the weather today.

I have approved this submission, which created this publication record, but I have a number of questions:

• Was the data based on this Amazon record?
• If so, then Amazon's Look Inside shows that the title of the book -- both on the cover and on the main title page -- is King of Fang and Claw: The Complete Pulp Magazine Adventures as opposed to Ka-Zar: The Complete Pulp Magazine Adventures.
• Look Inside also shows the price that was printed on the back cover. It was $29.95 as opposed to $39.95.
• The Amazon record is dated 2007-12-01, but Look Inside shows that the stated publication date is "2008".
• Once we sort all of it out, we will want to disambiguate the "Introduction" by turning it into "Introduction (King of Fang and Claw: The Complete Pulp Magazine Adventures)".

Ahasuerus (talk) 20:25, 6 December 2023 (EST)

P.S. Also, please note that I have changed the dates of the three NOVEL titles to reflect the date of the first book publication. The rules that we use to assign dates to novels which were first serialized and then appeared in book form are somewhat complicated and are discussed on Help:Use of the SERIAL type. Ahasuerus (talk) 20:31, 6 December 2023 (EST)

I saw the date 2007 elsewhere, I never know if I should trust Amazon's data, I've seen different data in the preview.Hyju (talk) 04:54, 7 December 2023 (EST)

Thanks for clarifying that this Amazon record is the source of the submitted data. I have changed the title, the date and the price as per the discussion above. I have also added the book's ISBN, disambiguated the "Introduction" and added Notes.

Re: Amazon's data, Amazon's emphasis is on selling books while our emphasis is on recording bibliographic information as accurately as possible, which can result in divergences in our data.

For example, our records show the "list price", i.e. the price listed by the publisher at the time of publication. Amazon-displayed prices, on the other hand, are what Amazon currently charges its customers, which may be different from the original list prices. Sometimes Amazon shows both the list price and the current price in order to demonstrate to their customers that they are getting a discount, but that's optional. When their current price is higher than the list price -- a common occurrence with older books -- they almost never display the original list price.

Amazon's Look Inside is a more reliable source of information, but we need to make sure that it displays the correct edition. It's not uncommon for paperback editions to use scans from the electronic edition or vice versa. Sometimes Amazon uses the scans from an earlier (or later) edition, which may have a different cover art, price, date, etc.

This is the main reason why it's so important to state our sources in Notes. For primary-verified publications the assumption is that the data that we display comes directly from verified books/magazines. For books that have not been primary-verified, we need to explain where the data comes from. When secondary sources contradict each other -- which happens quite often -- we need to document any discrepancies so that our users could tell why we state what we state.

Also, when using secondary sources like Amazon, please try to copy their data as accurately as possible. In this case the title, the price and the date were wrong and there was no ISBN or source of information. When these kinds of submissions are reviewed, it can take the reviewing moderator a long time to find the right online sources, compare them with what was submitted and determine what needs to be corrected. In this case it probably took me 20-30 minutes. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:10, 7 December 2023 (EST)

Waging The War of the Worlds

A quick note to let you know that I have put this submission on hold. I have asked other moderators to see what they think about this somewhat unusual situation. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:45, 7 December 2023 (EST)

Based on the Moderator Noticeboard discussion, I have approved the submission, notified the inactive primary verifier and updated Notes to clarify the situation. Thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:32, 9 December 2023 (EST)

I placed the story as part of "H. G. Wells' War of the Worlds Universe" series.Hyju (talk) 18:12, 9 December 2023 (EST)

Approved, thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:18, 14 December 2023 (EST)

License Templates

When uploading a cover image via the "Upload new cover scan", the software will automatically create a license template (which will be displayed in the Summary box). You should not select a license via the Licensing pulldown in this case as it will create a second, incomplete license template. The Licensing pulldown box only needs to be used when directly uploading an image to the wiki. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 11:43, 10 December 2023 (EST)

Blade Runner by Editora Aleph

I am sorry I haven't had a chance to look at your submissions the last few days. I am currently in the middle of User:Fixer's monthly cycle, which is rather time-consuming. I am also working on rewriting the underlying Fixer software, a major project.

I have approved the addition of cover art information to this publication record and made some adjustments, including fixing the URL in Notes and moving the ISBN from the "Catalog ID" field to the "ISBN" field. One thing that I noticed is that our record says that the list price was R$49.90, but the publisher's Web page says that the current price is R$69.90. Do you happen to have the source for the original price being R$49.90? Thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:16, 14 December 2023 (EST)

I found it in a August 2021 archive with the price of 54.90 .Hyju (talk) 15:50, 14 December 2023 (EST)

Thanks, I have updated the Notes field with the August 2021 URL. Checking Edit History, I see that the original price (R$49.90) was a part of the very first submission in March 2019, so it's presumably safe to assume that it was the list price when the book was released. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:10, 14 December 2023 (EST)

Days of Future Past cover art

I have processed your COVERART Import submissions for Alex Irvine's prose version of Days of Future Past. All of them would have imported the parent COVERART title for John L. Byrne and Terry Austin. However, Look Inside showed that Byrne was credited as "John Byrne" in the Titan Books editions of this novel. For this reason I rejected the Import submissions for the 2016-2019 editions and imported the variant COVERART title for "John Byrne and Terry Austin".

Unfortunately, Amazon's record for the Marvel/2014 edition seems to be using the Look Inside file for the Titan Books editions, so I can't determine how Byrne was credited in 2014. Do you happen to have a source for it? Thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:48, 14 December 2023 (EST)

Fábio Fernandes

I have approved this submission, which added Web Pages to Fábio Fernandes's record, but the Instagram link appears to be broken. Could you please double check? TIA. Ahasuerus (talk) 11:34, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Super-Homem - Morte e Ressurreição

A quick note about this submission. Although I approved it (and set up a variant title relationship), please keep in mind that 13-digit ISBNs did not exist prior to 2006/2007. I have converted it to ISBN-10. Ahasuerus (talk) 13:09, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Horizonte Perdido

What is the source of the data in this submission, please? Ahasuerus (talk) 17:43, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Both are my own books that I recently acquired, Mutação says it is the 4th edition.

Do you want photos?Hyju (talk) 18:15, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Thanks for the clarification. I have approved the submission, added "Stated 4th edition" and created a variant relationship. Please go ahead and verify the publication record.

In the future, when entering books from your collection, please remember to select the button which corresponds to "I own this publication (will be auto-verified as Primary)" in the "Source of the data" section of the data entry form. That way the reviewing moderator will know that you own a copy and the software will automatically mark new publication records as "primary verified" upon approval. Thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 20:39, 20 December 2023 (EST)

You got confused because of me, I mixed the two subjects, the fourth edition of Mutação and not Horizonte.Hyju (talk) 21:08, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Thanks for the clarification. I have approved the corrections and set up some variants. Ahasuerus (talk) 22:01, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Mutação by Robin Cook

What is the source of the data in this submission? Amazon Brazil thinks that ISBN 8501035327 was published in 1991 (as opposed to 1995) and used a different cover. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:53, 20 December 2023 (EST)

I found a source: Traça.comHyju (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Looking at that page I see that the stated year is 1989, which is presumably the year of the first English edition. It doesn't tell us when this Portuguese translation was published. Also, unless I am missing something, I don't see an ISBN. Ahasuerus (talk) 20:35, 20 December 2023 (EST)

In the copy I have it says 1995, I found two sources:Sebo Capricho and Traça.Hyju (talk) 20:53, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Oh, so you own a cope of this one as well. Sorry, I didn't realize that was the case. I have approved the submission and set up variants. It should be ready for primary verification. Thanks. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:00, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Esfinge

Is Esfinge also one of the books that you have? Since none of these submissions state the source of the included data, it's hard for me to tell which books you own and which submissions were based on secondary sources like Amazon, online stores, etc. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:04, 20 December 2023 (EST)

Yes.Hyju (talk) 04:58, 21 December 2023 (EST)

Thanks for clarifying. I have approved the submission and set up a variant relationship. The publication record is ready for primary verification. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:03, 21 December 2023 (EST)

"Luiz Padovin" vs. "Luiz Podavin"

A question about this submission. "Note to Moderator" says:

The correct spelling is Luiz Podavin

Does this mean that this artist is actually credited as "Luiz Podavin" in the 6 publication records that we have on file? Or does it mean that "Luiz Podavin" is his legal name, but he is credited as "Luiz Padovin" in publications? (We have seen similar discrepancies in other artists' and authors' bibliographies.) TIA. Ahasuerus (talk) 17:06, 21 December 2023 (EST)

I have one of the books in the collection and it is credited as Padovin, but as I follow Disney comics, I know it is spelled as Podavin, other Disney artists participated in the books, but their names are correct. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Hyju (talk • contribs) .

Thanks for the clarification. I have updated the author record. Ahasuerus (talk) 21:47, 21 December 2023 (EST)

I Have História das invenções / Dom Quixote das crianças.Hyju (talk) 22:09, 21 December 2023 (EST)

How to Enter Omnibus publications

I want to publish boxes, one is from different authors, the other is not, I have already sent the books individually, the other is not, how do I do it?: both have a single e-book edition.: Mestres Primordiais and Box - A ficção científica de H. G. Wells (e-book), Box - A ficção científica de H. G. Wells (printed). I sent [https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pubseries.cgi?11622 Mestres Primordias as individual books last year (I've seen them sold separately).Hyju (talk) 09:15, 22 December 2023 (EST)

You can enter an omnibus publication by clicking "Add New Omnibus" in the navigation bar on the left. Help:Screen:NewPub has detailed instructions, including the answer to your question about entering omnibus authors:

• A multi-author OMNIBUS that has no editor credit (and no secondary source for the editor credit) should credit the authors of the contained fiction. (It is suggested that when there are five or more authors, that the editor should be entered as "uncredited".)

As far as the "Content" section, i.e. everything below the "Note to Moderator" field, goes, there are two different ways to handle it. The first one is to enter each contained NOVEL or SHORTFICTION title, e.g. Viagem ao centro da terra or A Máquina do Tempo, using the instructions provided in Help:Screen:NewPub. Once your submission has been approved, any duplicates should be merged as long as the author name, title and translation are the same. Any translated items that have no pre-existing counterpart should be turned into variants.

The second way is to leave the "Content" section blank, wait for the submission to be approved and then use "Import Content" to import existing titles into the publication. Hope this helps. Ahasuerus (talk) 15:39, 22 December 2023 (EST)

I sent it, I'm just unsure of how to send the individual books in the collection, at least on Amazon, the dates are the same, so I preferred to send it via omnibus and then send each book.Hyju (talk) 17:38, 22 December 2023 (EST)

I have approved the addition of A ficção científica de H. G. Wells, added the ISBN from "Ler amostra" (Amazon Brazil's version of Look Inside) and created variant relationships. Please check the list of potential duplicates -- "Ler amostra" shows the names of translators on the copyright page. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:08, 22 December 2023 (EST)

Spanish edition of Prey/Presa

Just a quick note to let you know that I have approved this submission and changed the language from "Sundanese" to "Spanish". Ahasuerus (talk) 15:54, 22 December 2023 (EST)

De la Terre a la Lune (abridged)

A couple of comments about this submission which I approved a few minutes ago:

• According to OCLC 1987558, this is an "abridged and simplified" edition for those who study French. I have added "(abridged)" to the title and linked the record to OCLC.
• Since this is a CHAPBOOK, it needs a SHORTFICTION title in the Content section, which I added after approving the submission. CHAPBOOKs are "container" publication, basically single-item COLLECTIONs. I also put the new SHORTFICTION title in the "Baltimore Gun Club" series.

Ahasuerus (talk) 16:58, 22 December 2023 (EST)

Mestres Primordiais submission

A question about your pending Mestres Primordiais submission. The submitted author is Mary Shelley, but shouldn't it be Mary Shelley plus Philip Francis Nowlan plus Julio Verne plus H. G. Wells?

Also, as per Help:Screen:NewPub#Price, prices always use periods as decimal separators:

• Period (".") should be used as the decimal separator and comma (",") as the thousands separator, regardless of currency or native number format, e.g. €7.80 or Lit 1,000.

The reason for this rule is that there are dozens of currencies in the world and there is no easy way of telling which ones use periods and which ones use commas, so we standardized using periods. I will make the change after the submission is approved. Ahasuerus (talk) 18:14, 22 December 2023 (EST)

I always get confused, here in Brazil it's differentHyju (talk) 18:58, 22 December 2023 (EST)

What about the Author field? Should the other three authors be added? Ahasuerus (talk) 19:25, 22 December 2023 (EST)

Yes, I had sent one submission and made another, I ended up not checking all the authors.Hyju (talk) 19:28, 22 December 2023 (EST)

OK, I have approved the submission, added the missing authors, corrected the price format, imported 4 variants and adjusted their dates now that we have a slightly earlier date of the first publication. When you have a moment, please check the result to see if everything looks good. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:38, 22 December 2023 (EST)

I just saw it, the cover is a mosaic of the 4 covers, it would have been better to have printed it later, the covers are on Amazon, but I couldn't send it because of the format and when I try to send it via scan, it appears as too big.Hyju (talk) 19:55, 22 December 2023 (EST)

There are online tools (like this one) that let you reduce the size of any image and then download it if you want to give it a try. Ahasuerus (talk) 20:22, 22 December 2023 (EST)

Reflexos do Futuro

After approving the addition of Reflexos do Futuro and adding an ISBN, I discovered that we apparently already had another publication record for the "first Portuguese edition". Could you please compare the two records? They seem to have slightly different capitalization and other minor tweaks. Ahasuerus (talk) 19:41, 22 December 2023 (EST)

How strange, I hadn't found this post, I'd better delete it.Hyju (talk) 20:03, 22 December 2023 (EST)

https://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/se.cgi?arg=reflexos+do+futuro&type=All+Titles; It's still there. --Username (talk) 12:06, 24 February 2024 (EST)

I have deleted the doublette (the one for which the varianting wasn't done). Christian Stonecreek (talk) 12:45, 24 February 2024 (EST)