User talk:Farrago

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Welcome!

Hello, Farrago, and welcome to the ISFDB Wiki! I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

Note: Image uploading isn't entirely automated. You're uploading the files to the wiki which will then have to be linked to the database by editing the publication record.

Please be careful in editing publications that have been primary verified by other editors. See Help:How to verify data#Making changes to verified pubs. But if you have a copy of an unverified publication, verifying it can be quite helpful. See Help:How to verify data for detailed information.

I hope you enjoy editing here! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will insert your name and the date. If you need help, check out the community portal, or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! Mhhutchins 15:55, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Eric Needham

Hi. Thanks for the details about Eric Needham. One thing about the "Canonical Name": For an author entry, this is the name shown in the publication. The "Legal Name" field can be used to record a full name. If an author is published under multiple variations of a name, each one gets its own Author entry, and we then make some of them pseudonyms (presented in the various displays as "Alternate Names") of one we select as "canonical". So to record that Eric Needham is Eric S. Needham, for now that information would go in the Legal Name field (and if we ever found out what "S." is for, we'd spell it out). If we ever recorded any of his works attributed to Eric S. Needham, we'd then make one of those a pseudonym of the other (most likely, Eric Needham would end up an alternate name for/pseudonym of Eric S. Needham). Thanks. --MartyD 16:18, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

Now & Then Number One, August 1954

A few questions and comments about this pub. If it's name is Now & Then, there should be a comma separating it from "Number One". Under pub format field you give "half-foolscap", which is not one of our accepted bindings. (They're listed here. If none apply, leave the field blank, the description in the note field should suffice.) Are the three essays by Turner actually titled "Untitled essay part 1" etc? Or is it one untitled essay in three parts? If so, it should be title "[untitled] (Now & Then, August 1954)". I'm also assuming the dates of the contents should be the same as the date of the publication (1954-08-28). If this is their first publication, the record should be updated to reflect that. Also, and I should have asked this first, is this a speculative-fiction related fanzine? It would also be nice if you have the pub in hand, that you do a primary verification of it. If not, you should note the source for your data in the record's note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:02, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

I have accepted your update to the record, and it has cleared up all of the questions that I raised in my original inquiry above. As I stated in my response to your email, please proceed to enter the remaining issues. We can then place them into a series which will tie them together. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 16:28, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Now & Then Number 2

The submission adding this issue was accepted, but it needs a couple of changes to get in shape. The NONFICTION type is reserved for book length work. Nonfiction articles within a larger work should be entered as ESSAY type. When adding a second (or more) author credit to a record the full name should be given. Can I assume that "Pamela" should be "Pamela Bulmer" and the last name inadvertently omitted? Is "Eric S. Needham" the same person as "Eric Needham"? If so, we'll need to create a pseudonym relationship between the two authors. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:11, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

Comment on nonfiction noted; the items are really essays which are more factually based than some of the flights of fancy. You are right about "Pamela Bulmer" - that was a copy & paste which was truncated. Yes, "Eric S. Needham" is the "full" form of "Eric Needham". I might be almost good at doing this by the time I get to the last magazine in the series. Farrago 10:29, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I've made the changes. Keep in mind, you can do this yourself by updating the record. Also, it's best to keep topics on the Wiki page on which they began. Any responses to inquiries added to this page should be made here as well. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:15, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Nebula Science Fiction, Number 21

You didn't have to use a Wiki page for recording Interior Artists for NEBULASMAY1957 - you can enter INTERIORART content records in the publication itself. BLongley 15:29, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Tales of Wonder, #5

In this, is the "Stanton A. Coblenz" right? BLongley 16:31, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

For your update to this publication, the "Artist" field is use just for the cover artist. To record interior art, we add more content records (there's a type INTERIORART). To make a general credit for the entire publication, we add one entry using the publication's title (and type INTERIORART), with no page number. Individual works can be credited by giving them page numbers; if they have a caption/title, we use those; if they illustrate a contained story, we use the story's title; otherwise, we use the publication's title and append [2], [3], etc. for subsequent illustrations to distinguish one from another. I moved the Harry Turner credit to be a general INTERIORART credit instead of a cover credit, based on your note. Thanks for contributing! --MartyD 13:58, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Now & Then No. 6

There should be individual records created for each letter in this issue (page 19). You can also choose to create a record for the letter column itself, giving the author as "various". Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:37, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

You added another record giving the same issue number. Should the second one be No. 7? Also, the same situation as above with the letter column on page 14. Mhhutchins 05:40, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

Letters

I've accepted the changes for 5 & 6, and the submission for #7, but made a few changes in the titles of the letters. The standard format is "Letter (title of issue)" so that the title is unique when listed among the author's other works. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:09, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

Now & Then No. 4

Hi. I've accepted your submission for content for Now & Then No. 4. The disambiguation of titles using "(Now & Then 4, 1955)" caught my eye in two ways: (1) Do you have any way to tell what month this was published in? That could be incorporated into the names. (2) For disambiguating the names, it seems to be typical practice to omit the date when the publication title is numbered (and so, unambiguous). E.g., here you could use "(Now & Then No. 4)". Thanks. --MartyD 11:17, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Now & Then No. 4

The only source of date information is the magazines themselves. If the month isn't mentioned in the usual "closing credits", we end up somewhat screwed. Regards Farrago 16:06, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Eric Needham's Remember The Alamo

You have verified Now & Then, No. 5, September 1955 which contains Eric Needham's poem Remember The Alamo. You have also verified Now & Then No. 6, November 1955 which contains another Eric Needham's poem Remember The Alamo. Is this two different versions of the poem? A first part and a second part? Other? Thanks. --JLaTondre 21:15, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Science-Fantasy, v 1 # 2, Winter 1950

Just to let you know that I have corrected the spelling of Walter Gillings's name in your verified Science-Fantasy, v 1 # 2, Winter 1950. "Thomas Sheridan", the author of "Bogy in the Sky", was set up as a pseudonym of "Waler" Gillings rather than of "Walter" Gillings. Ahasuerus 14:48, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Eric Needham's pseudonyms

FYI, Eric Needham's pseudonyms, Patience Feeble and Alfred Lord Senapod, have been changed from "Eric Needham [as by ...]" to the standard form and pseudonym relationships have been established. Ahasuerus 04:14, 11 May 2012 (UTC)

John J. Greengrass

Hi, there! Corrected typo (John F. Greengrass -> John J. Greengrass) in these verified pubs: Nebula # [21 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59598], [23 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59576], and [40 http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?59600]. Cheers, P-Brane 04:50, 5 July 2012 (UTC).

Nebula Number 27

Have added some page numbers and a note Prof beard 13:03, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Nebula Science Fiction, Number 18

I've approved your modifications, but don't forget to notify the PVs when making such changes. Hauck 16:31, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Disambiguating interior art records

This should be done with squared brackets, like these [], instead of parentheses. I've changed it in this record. Please do a primary verification of the record when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:19, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Authentic #33

Re this publication record: I removed the three REVIEW-typed records for the nongenre works and replaced them with ESSAY records. It is better to use this method of entering reviews of nongenre works if it creates false entries for authors who otherwise would not be eligible for the database (because they've not written any works of speculative fiction.)

I also changed the review crediting "H. L. Gold (editor)", because that creates a false entry as well. Just enter the credited name without any disambiguation. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 07:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

"as by"

Do not enter works with "as by" in the author field. You should only enter the author credit exactlly as it appears in the publication. The "as by" credit is provided only after a variant record has been created when a work is published under a different name. That must be done manually, but only after the original title is in the database and credited as published. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:09, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Author field credit - exactly as published

As was asked above, please do not disambiguate an author's name in the author field. I've removed "(editor)" in this record's author field, so that it can be properly linked to the work which is reviewed. Mhhutchins 23:14, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Apologies for all the extra work you're getting. I've just rediscovered a box of vintage mags and it has been a while since I last tried to do this. I hope to incorporate the lessons from this, and the previous 3 messages, in future attempts at expanding the available data. Regards, Philip Turner. --Farrago 11:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Authentic #63

Re this publication record: you should disambiguate the generic titles as well as the column titles by adding the issue name and number parenthetically to the title. For example, the editorial should be titled "Editorial (Authentic Science Fiction Monthly #63). Otherwise, all of these identically titled works risk being accidentally merged into one record as being the same work. Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:40, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Duly noted. --Farrago 14:43, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Since you're familiar with which of these contents are regular columns, I would suggest that you do the disambiguation of the titles as needed. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:56, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Capitalization in titles

From this guide on title field entries:

Case. Titles should have case regularized unless there is some specific evidence that the author intended certain letters to be in a specific case. For example, if the title is "EXTRO" in all caps, the title should be entered as "Extro". This applies to the titles of short stories as well as books. Typesetting style is not important; for example, Fantastic Universe typically printed story titles in lower case, but these titles are regularized for the ISFDB. Regularized case means that the first word is capitalized, and all later words are also capitalized except for "and", "or", "the", "a", "an", "for", "of", "in", "on", "by", "at", "from", "with", and "to". Hyphenated words have the first letter after the hyphen capitalized.

I have changed the titles added to this record to conform to the stated standards.

I highly recommend that you bookmark this help page because it provides a field-by-field guide on data entry. Thanks for contributing. Mhhutchins 15:39, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

I have been following the capitalization used by the magazine (against my instincts) but I shall take note of your comments for the future. Thanks. --Farrago 15:52, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
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