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To Whom It May Concern

Hi Bob,

Are both titles with this name in SPWAO Showcase #5, 1985 short stories or is one of them interior art? Thanks! Annie 01:30, 17 April 2021 (EDT)

Garrison is an artist, of course. Thanks, Annie. Bob 10:53, 17 April 2021 (EDT)
Anytime. Oh, and I added the link to your latest archive over on your archive page so it does not get lost :) You missed a / when you created the page. We can move it if you want - let me know. :) Annie 16:09, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
Annie, once again you save my butt. Given that there are only two slashes, it's incredible that I missed one. Bob 17:23, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
Do you want me to move it so it looks like the older ones? Annie 17:46, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
Oh, sure. Bob 19:22, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
Done. You missed the whole "/Archive/" bit in the middle, not just a / as I thought at a first glance (it was late and I probably needed new glasses or more coffee... or both). :) So it appeared as the Talk page of a guy called BiomassbobAug2020-Apr2021 instead of an archive page nested under your page. :) Page moved. Link in your archive page fixed. The old linkage removed. Or as I said when I added the link the other day Just your helper elf assisting with the missing link. :) Annie 19:34, 19 April 2021

You know, actually that makes more sense than just missing a punctuation mark. Thank you again, Annie. You are indeed a useful little elf. Bob 20:02, 19 April 2021 (EDT)


The note I added along with the cover image for Jeremy Leven's Creator isn't "irrelevant"; he wrote the script for the movie version. The many other movie-related notes I've added weren't rejected. --Username 15:48, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

Maybe a different moderator will approve it then. But this site is about books, not movies so it doesn't matter who wrote a movie. Bob 17:21, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

Problem is I don't know who will be the moderator working at the time I add an edit, so in the future if I enter relevant movie-related info and you happen to be the moderator at the time, just leave it for the next moderator to approve instead of rejecting it. I've copy-pasted the cover image URL into another edit without the "irrelevant" note. --Username 18:27, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

I suggest you just leave out comments about movies. Bob 18:58, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

Someone should have said the same to the hundreds of other editors whose names I've come across in the short time I've been editing here who added movie-related notes and links to ISFDB records that were approved by moderators. --Username 23:21, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

Yep. Bob 23:27, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

I mentioned above that if you are moderating my edits and see info you don't think should be there, to just pass on by without rejecting and let other moderators who have no problem with the info approve them as they have so often in the past; I'll probably start adding less of them and only stick to adding info if the original author was involved somehow with the movie. Also, if you look at the date on that Mary Reilly edit it was before we had our little discussion, so I don't know what I'm expected to do about that; if you find any others just ignore them. --Username 15:38, 20 April 2021 (EDT)

My friend, you're an idiot to push any monitor this way. I'm always going to reject any edits adding anything about movies. I will not pass. Nothing you say will change that. When I first started editing, I would argue at times with the decisions of monitors. As a result, it was many years before I was invited to become a monitor myself. Just drop it and get on with life.Bob 16:36, 20 April 2021 (EDT)

Robots and Empire

While verifying Robots and Empire I saw this note "Jacket design by Barclay Shaw" on rear flap, the artwork is also 'signed'. If he was just the jacket designer we should remove him from the cover art bucket. However, "signed" would indicate he did the artwork. Question, Is it really signed. On my book, I can see two circles within a circle to the bottom right of the V in Asimov. Is that the signature? I'm holding off verifying or making any changes till I hear from you. John Scifibones 18:00, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

John, I just don't know. I looked at some of his other cover art (F&SF covers), and didn't find that symbol. But my guess would be that he was the artist, although maybe of the faces rather than the whole cover which isn't very elaborate art. Bob 19:21, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
I know there is currently an emphasis on this point that was not the case in the past. Do you want to make the call, solicit other opinions? I'll go with whatever you think. Thanks, John Scifibones 20:04, 19 April 2021 (EDT)
John, I'd just let what's there stand. I don't feel strongly about it. I didn't enter that information myself, just went with it, and would tend to keep going with it. Bob 20:06, 19 April 2021 (EDT)

To Fear the Light

Bob, just added jacket design to To Fear the Light. Also appreciate the guidance on Amazon cover links. John Scifibones 19:01, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

Great! Thanks for letting me know. Bob 19:13, 21 April 2021 (EDT)

Brightness Reef

Added Jacket design (Spelled slightly different between copyright page and rear flap!) and book design to Brightness Reef hope you don't mind, John Scifibones 10:43, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

Not something I'd ever enter myself, but I don't really mind. The more the merrier. Thanks for letting me know. Bob 12:01, 24 April 2021 (EDT)

Rejected Edit

As per this, please undelete the rejection in order not to loose valuable information that took me some time to collect. The next time that you have doubts about one of my submission, it'd be better to put it on hold and to contact me (I'm here every day) than to immediatly reject it. In this case, I confirm that the ISBN on book is as entered (as I wrote in the notes). AlainLeBris 04:00, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

Elite - series

Hello Bob. I note you approved my edits to place this and this into the "Elite (computer games)" series but strangely they don't show up in the list here Any chance that could happen at some point as they are one and the same series. --Mavmaramis 10:09, 28 April 2021 (EDT)

I see what happened. You used the series for the individual pub, which was a mistake (mea culpa). You need to move the series to the Title Record, like the earlier examples. The individual pub series is used where there are several pubs under the Title Record, but only one (or some) of the pubs are in the series, like a series by a particular publisher that does not apply to other pubs in the Title Record. I fixed it for you; look at the list now, and see where the series appears. Bob 10:24, 28 April 2021 (EDT)
Thanks Bob. No clue what that all meant but glad it's fixed now. --Mavmaramis 01:02, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

Tales from Plexis

Regarding rejected edit 4973950. Except for the added numbers inside the parentheses on the interludes that is an exact listing of the TOC in the book. They DO list every little piece. If you still don't want it in there let me know on my talk page and I'll re-create it without the interludes.Jim 15:40, 28 April 2021 (EDT)


Re this. I really should have been thinking straight when I entered it and flagged it as "non genre" as per the back cover blurb "A book of designs and photographs for rock 'n' roll bands" so decidedly not speculative. --Mavmaramis 01:07, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

Another concern: why would this item belong to ISFDB? It seems it is not connected to our field of speculative fiction. Christian Stonecreek 04:36, 29 April 2021 (EDT)
If so then why are other non genre works included ? The author is obviously above threshold enough to have an entry. However if you feel that strongly and wish to delete it altogether I won't argue the point. --Mavmaramis 12:55, 29 April 2021 (EDT)
My feeling (without seeing the pub) is that it's likely art that could fit the genre. Paper Tiger often publishes art that fits, but you have the pub, I'll respect your judgement. I added the cover scan from Amazon, by the way, just to see what it looked like. Bob 17:19, 29 April 2021 (EDT)
Sorry, I don't understand why should Storm Thorgerson (who worked in the field of rock & pop album covers amd has only a few entries of his work listed here) be above the threshold as author of speculative fiction? Christian Stonecreek 23:41, 29 April 2021 (EDT)
As I said, the guy with the pub should make a judgement. Does the material fit the genre? If it doesn't, delete the pub. Bob 10:58, 30 April 2021 (EDT)

Title mistake; first word should be "Full". --Username 23:36, 29 April 2021 (EDT)

Right you are! In the future, if you come across one of my stupid typos, feel free to fix it. I don't need to be notified. Bob 10:55, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
OK. --Username 15:49, 30 April 2021 (EDT)


Bob, Quick question re: Barrayar . You show a page count of 373. Do you mind checking your copy? I think it should be 381. Or, if you exclude all the NESFA information, The Editor's Note ends on page 367. Let me know and I will submit an edit. thanks John Scifibones 17:32, 30 April 2021 (EDT)

P.S. I have been adding jacket desgn credit whenever I verify a pub (suggestion of another moderator). Do you want a notification and link every time?

Looking back, if I were entering this pub today, I would say the page count was 363, and ignore the two later contents items. The pages after that are real garbage ads and definitely should not be included in the page count. If you want to delete the two last content items and reduce the page numbers, fine by me, go ahead. I would never add the jacket design credit, but have no objection to it's addition. Like I said before, takes all kinds.Bob 18:07, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
I agree with you, Submission 4975963 and 4975966 take care of it. If you want to okay them, I won't have to explain to another moderator. As far as design credit, I never used to include it. Annie asked me to because it would facilitate updating if we ever add a Cover Design can. John Scifibones 18:43, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
Done! Bob 18:46, 30 April 2021 (EDT)
Realized I forgot to delete the title records after removing them. Submissions 4976144 and 4976145. John Scifibones 07:41, 1 May 2021 (EDT)

Mirror Dance

Bob, I imported the title "Miles Vorkosigan/Naismith: His Universe and Times (Mirror Dance)" into Mirror Dance then made it the parent of "Miles Vorkosigan/Naismith: His Universe and Times (Cetaganda)". I did this to make it consistent with how you handled the ensuing books. Let me know is this is a problem and I will cancel it. John Scifibones. 14:30, 1 May 2021 (EDT)

O.K. by me. Bob 18:03, 1 May 2021 (EDT)

You have confused me

You rejected my change in cover art attribution for several Dan Brown Novels. Let's use The Lost Symbol for example. My pub note says "Jacket photograph © Murat Taner/Getty Images" (over) "Jacket design Michael J. Windsor". I then submitted an edit to remove the cover art attribution. It was approved. I then submitted the same edit edits for other pubs in the same title that use the same cover. Now you are rejecting those edits. I am following your instructions exactly. I'm confused. John Scifibones Scifibones 06:58, 6 May 2021 (EDT) P.S. I am trying to follow Rules and standards discussions #When is a cover designer the cover artist ?

Rejected submission 4977796 states the following reason for rejection "I don't know what the cover looks like, but sometimes attributing the cover to a designer is correct. For example, many of the 1632, Inc. books are made up of photos and art and there is a cover designer, not a cover artist.". I pulled 20 HC first printings and 5 TP first printings from the 163x series you mentioned. Every one of the HC's list an illustration credit and a design credit. The 5 TP (these were not produced in HC) list a cover art credit and no design credit. John Scifibones 08:15, 6 May 2021 (EDT).
I understand your confusion. I rejected your removal of Murat Taner as the cover artist and I still think simply removal of credit is not correct. All of these covers should be credited to the designer, Michael J. Windsor, not left without credit for the cover. Taner apparently took the photo of the capitol building, and Windsor used that photo in his jacket design.
And you looked at the wrong books, I did NOT suggest covers in the 163x series, I referred to books published by 1632, Inc. Many of the former were published by Baen or Ring of Fire Press. Laura Givens is credited as the cover art designer for many of the books published by 1632, Inc., no one is credited as the cover artist. Laura did what Windsor did, took someone else's photo, added some other design elements, and came up with the cover. I personally never cite the cover designer along with the cover artist. I don't mind if others do so, but I will either cite the cover artist (if given) or cite the cover designer if the cover is made up of elements rather than a piece of art executed by a single artist. Bob 12:51, 6 May 2021 (EDT)
This is beside the point anyway. Address the points in my first paragraph. the first 2 submissions you rejected were for pubs of the Lost Symbol. The next 2 were for Inferno. You can see the pub notes and why the cover art credit was pulled. Do you agree I followed your recommendation ? Does approval or rejection depend on whomever happens to review an edit? This is not personal. It is however quite frustrating.John Scifibones 13:10, 6 May 2021 (EDT) I didn't see your first paragraph, only the second. I see you reasoning now. 13:17, 6 May 2021 (EDT)

Chanur's Legacy

Adding a couple pub notes to Chanur's Legacy John Scifibones 11:48, 12 May 2021 (EDT)

I saw you had to fix something, Did I mess up? 14:27, 12 May 2021 (EDT)
No, your changes were fine. I removed the pub series information from the notes, since that information was also under the pub title already. That note was added in 2011 by Bluesman, two years before I verified the pub. I have no clue why he thought it was necessary to add duplicate information like that. Bob 14:59, 12 May 2021 (EDT)


Added design credit & removed pub series info from Foreigner. Do you want me to keep informing you of these minor edits? John Scifibones10:13, 13 May 2021 (EDT)

Only inform me of edits to pubs where I'm the only verifier and that involve changes, not just additions. I like to learn, too. Bob 11:55, 13 May 2021 (EDT)


You rejected the Middlemore edit; the following edit imported the correct title and name and date already on ISFDB so I was deleting the old entry; the 2 Darkness Rising anthologies I added edits for recently both had confusing entries for an old reprint under wrong titles and names and dates, so maybe this needs others to have a look at it to make sure I did it right. --Username 16:20, 13 May 2021 (EDT)

Soon after I wrote this JLaTondre accepted a whole bunch of my edits including adding the imported Middlemore story, so I wrote him to explain the confusion and I assume he'll be looking at all this and doing whatever needs to be done; only thing is maybe you can unreject the Middlemore edit and accept it so there won't be two Middlemores in the same book. --Username 19:47, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
I realized the problem when I went to the next submission. I suppose I could have rescinded the rejection, but I didn't bother. I suggest that next time, you either explain why you are deleting the story, or import the story first, then delete the old entry. Just delete the old entry now. I'd do it for you, but you didn't bother to flag the pub for me. Bob 20:14, 13 May 2021 (EDT)

Ready Player Two

Only minor adds, but, I did change the source of pub date to the USA copyright registration. Let me know is this is a problem.Ready Player TwoJohn Scifibones 14:44, 17 May 2021 (EDT)

No problem. Bob 17:17, 17 May 2021 (EDT)

Dead Lies Dreaming

Hi Bob,

We standardize "Tordotcom" as "" as a publisher name. Any reason why you changed it here thus splitting this single book out from all the books from the publisher? Annie 12:27, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

Damn, Annie, I had no idea of the standardization. I just entered the publisher's name from the pub. Fixed. Bob 13:39, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
Yeah, they have it spelled out in the last years. We MAY want to reverse the way we standardize or split it I guess but I am a bit tired of chasing these so I just add books for the moment. Thanks! :) Annie 13:58, 24 May 2021 (EDT)
I think I would standardize it at Tor and forget about it. It's like Del Rey / Ballentine, which should just be Del Rey, or maybe Ballentine, but not both. Bob 15:11, 24 May 2021 (EDT)

The R-Master

The R-Master has the following publication note. "First Edition" so stated on copyright page. [Currey]. I would like to remove the reference to Currey. I'm verifying the statement is there. I own a first edition copy. Problem or do you suggest something else? Thanks, John Scifibones 10:49, 25 May 2021 (EDT)

I understand your reaction, but I'd leave the Currey reference alone. It's not a rule, but most users like to know that the pub is in Currey. If the pub is verified, obviously the verifier knows the statement is there.Bob 14:35, 25 May 2021 (EDT)
Fair enough. Thanks Bob. John Scifibones 18:52, 25 May 2021 (EDT)

Eldritch Tales, V2n6, 2019

A quick question about your verified Eldritch Tales, V2n6, 2019. Is the last name of William C. Rasmusson spelled that way or is the "o" a typo? The reason I am asking is that we have a record for William C. Rasmussen, whose stories appear in similar publications. TIA! Ahasuerus 11:59, 26 May 2021 (EDT)

Surprisingly, this time it's not a typo. That's the spelling, both over the story and in the ToC. I wouldn't be surprised if the editor spelled the name wrong. I'll ask him. Bob 19:36, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
Thanks for looking into it! Ahasuerus 20:05, 26 May 2021 (EDT)
No reply. But since Rasmussen wrote a number of stories for volume 1 of Eldritch Tales, and since the editorials in volume 2 say that a number of authors from volume 1 contributed to volume 2, I think it's safe to assume that the editor made a mistake in spelling Rasmussen's name, and I will make Rasmusson a variant name. Bob 12:21, 29 May 2021 (EDT)
Looks good, thanks! Ahasuerus 16:45, 29 May 2021 (EDT)

Lord of the Isles series

Hi Bob, I anticipate making changes to most of the 6 volumes of this series. Thought I would write one note for all.

Lord of the Isles - correct publisher, change page reference to fep from ep, add design credits, and ext ID. switch to HTML. John Scifibones 15:42, 29 May 2021 (EDT)
Queen of Demons - same as above plus changing cover art credit to This variant John Scifibones 16:04, 29 May 2021 (EDT)
Servant of the Dragon - Correct publisher and import endpaper map title John Scifibones 16:17, 29 May 2021 (EDT)
Mistress of the Catacombs - same as previous title John Scifibones 16:28, 29 May 2021 (EDT)
Goddess of the Ice Realm - mostly same as above. Plan to merge map title used here "Goddess of the Ice Realm (map)" with "Lord of the Isles (map)" used in the other pubs after the inital edits are approved. John Scifibones 16:40, 29 May 2021 (EDT)
Master of the Cauldron mostly same as above. Plan to merge map title used here "Master of the Cauldron (map)" with "Lord of the Isles (map)" used in the other pubs. John Scifibones 16:52, 29 May 2021 (EDT)

Let me know if you don't agree with any of this.

In the Stormy Red Sky

While verifying In the Stormy Red Sky, I noticed you imputed roman numerals for the unnumbered pages. This is an old submission from 2012. I'm guessing the standards changed since then. I went ahead and submitted an edit to change to arabic numerals. John Scifibones 08:43, 2 June 2021 (EDT)

Same for The Tyrant 10:38, 2 June 2021 (EDT)

Slight numbering change

In The Road of Danger & Though Hell Should Bar the Way the roman numeral count included the blank pages between the highest roman numeral and the arabic numbered pages. I corrected this. John Scifibones 09:25, 2 June 2021 (EDT)

William Scott Home; Fantlab's photo of contents page,, has no dash between Sea and Snakes in 1st story, and title is "The Silver Judgment Echoing" (no e in Judgment or comma) for the 3rd story. Since you PV'd, can you check story pages and see how those are spelled, and fix if necessary? Online info has various spellings but I can't find any photos with actual story headers. --Username 16:39, 2 June 2021 (EDT)

Correct, both fixed. Bob 19:24, 2 June 2021 (EDT)

Capable of Honor

Bob, The pub I created Here is not the first edition. I don't know exactly what printing it is (see pub note), only that the print code makes it one of the early printings. This edit is to add information to the presumed first printing. I don't see the problem. John Scifibones 20:52, 9 June 2021 (EDT)

I didn't see that. You should add to the notes of your copy "Later printing" or some such. I'm also bothered by the date on your copy, since with a printing date of November, it likely didn't come out until the following year. You do as you think best, but I'd put "0000-00-00" as the date. I've unrejected your submission. Bob 09:42, 10 June 2021 (EDT)
You're probably correct, changing the date to "0000-00-00" is in line with what we do here. I just really hate it, but I will change it. I do think my present note is pretty clear that this is a later printing. Thanks John Scifibones 10:10, 10 June 2021 (EDT)
John, if it was clear, I wouldn't have rejected the update of the first printing. Bob 14:23, 10 June 2021 (EDT)

Conclave of Shadows

I submitted the following changes to Talon of the Silver Hawk. Corrected content page numbers. added a number of notes. Removed the note --Endpaper map originally in "Magician"--. The map in this edition is by "Ralph M. Askren" the earlier map was drawn by "Claire Naylon Vaccaro". If you want the note back, I can put in something like --Endpaper map originally by "Claire Naylon Vaccaro" in "Magician"--. I didn't do anything with the map titles, I plan on working on them after I finish verifying the individual books. For the two versions of the Midkemia map (one by each artist) there is a huge number of title records. John Scifibones 11:32, 13 June 2021 (EDT)

Same for King of Foxes 11:57, 13 June 2021 (EDT)

Same and also correct pages for Exile's Return 12:37, 13 June 2021 (EDT)

I submitting some of the same kind of changes to the pubs in the Darkwar Saga. John Scifibones 14:03, 13 June 2021 (EDT)

Don Maitz's Cleric

Bob, is the Maitz illustration on page 108 of Spectrum III the same artwork as this cover? The title of teh artwork for that cover is given as "Cleric" which is the same as the illustration in your pub. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 09:14, 20 June 2021 (EDT)

Yes, same work of art. Bob 17:25, 3 July 2021 (EDT)

Fantastic Worlds: The Art of William Stout

Hello Bob. I splurged and got myself a copy of this and noticed the dustwrapper states "Introduction by Robert Williams" which made me wonder why it was entered as "uncredited" until I realised that what was printed was not correct. I've added a note. --Mavmaramis 12:27, 22 June 2021 (EDT)

Cool! Thanks for letting me know. Bob 17:25, 3 July 2021 (EDT)

Commune 2000 A.D. / Mack Reynolds

Please check conversation at [[1]]. Thanks! --GlennMcG 02:30, 6 July 2021 (EDT)

ISBN already on file

Hi Bob,

You may want to be a bit more careful around that error message when you see it - while it can be a legitimate one (multiple printings and so on), it often is just a real duplicate (as here): you approved [2] on 7/6 after having approved this on 7/5. :) Even if you decided to approve the later one because of the contents, the contents should have been then moved into the older record and then the new one deleted so we do not have a duplicate. Thanks! Annie 10:05, 8 July 2021 (EDT)

I obviously got confused with this pub. I was in and out on it several times, also looking at Amazon, and probably thought one was an e-book or other form. Thanks for fixing it. Bob 15:45, 8 July 2021 (EDT)

Lords of Creation

Hi, could you please check in Jeffrey Jones: The Definitive Reference that the cover artist of this is indeed Jeff Jones? Thanks! Horzel 16:34, 8 July 2021 (EDT)

Indeed it is. It's one of the 21 covers on p.94. Bob 19:13, 8 July 2021 (EDT)

Earth Is Heaven

Hi Bob this entry has two identical cover art credits and can't seem to find a way to delete the duplicate. --Mavmaramis 14:16, 17 July 2021 (EDT)

DamnifIknow. I've passed the question on to Anniemod. Bob 21:15, 17 July 2021 (EDT)
Found an easy way. Go to edit pub, then remove titles from pub. Flag one of the cover art citations, and done. Bob 11:40, 18 July 2021 (EDT)

Galaxy 1963-10

Cover art of this issue is credited to Dember, but the same but differently cut cover art of Galaxie #1, Mai 1964 is clearly signed R McK, that is, Richard McKenna (not the writer). Horzel 17:56, 19 July 2021 (EDT)

The U.S. version does indeed claim the cover is by Dember. Go ahead and change it, but add that Dember is credited in the magazine in the notes. Bob 20:44, 19 July 2021 (EDT)

The Swords of Lankhmar

Hi Bob

You added notes to my verified copy of The Swords of Lankhmar. Unfortunately, they are inaccurate. My copy is neither signed nor numbered. I think you probably wanted to clone my record to create the signed edition. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 06:31, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Thanks, Ron. I was fooled because the price was the same, so I thought your copy was like mine. Bob 10:04, 20 July 2021 (EDT)

Rejected Edits

Just FYI, the reviews are not "attached" to publications but to titles. If you've had taken time to really review my submissions and have a look at my talk page, you'll see that the link that I systematically provide points the the correct "publication" that is realy reviewed. In this submission, the book reviewed is evidently not the english title but is in reality for the french translation and specifically this pub. As I wrote at least three times, I don't have the patience to wait for the approval of the multiple edits involved to straigthen the situation. By rejecting the edits, you've lost the information needed to correct the errors in the db. As I do not like my efforts to be wasted like this without a minimum of reflexion and communication like other moderators do, I will stop correcting these errors. AlainLeBris 01:56, 4 August 2021 (EDT)

Why would I review your talk page? If you wanted me to do that, you should have said that. If you think the pub the review is tied to is incorrect, fix it, don't expect a moderator to do that for you. For all but a couple of the submissions where the review was entered as an essay, multiple edits were not required. All you had to do was change the reference for the review. Sorry you have no patience. Bob 08:27, 4 August 2021 (EDT)
Edits can be unrejected, so nothing was lost. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:11, 4 August 2021 (EDT)
I have no objection if you or another moderator wants to unreject these submissions and do this lazy, arrogant submitter's work for him, but I won't. Bob 15:59, 4 August 2021 (EDT)

Dickson's 'Three to Dorsai' 1st printing code

Hi, Bob. I've just acquired a copy of sold by a reputable vendor as 1st printing ... but its gutter code is on a different page, and slightly different, than the ISFDB record. Instead of "39R" it's "39 R" (space between number & letter), and instead of page 532 it's on bottom of page 529. I'm checking with the other active verifier, also, to determine whether I should note mine as a variant or correct the current pub record. Please let me know if your copy matches mine or the current record. Thanks. Markwood 11:12, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

Sorry, Mark, but I should have gone back and marked this a transient verification. I usually get rid of SFBC editions when I can replace them with trade editions. While this pub does not have an identical trade edition, I have the three novels included in it as trade editions. So I can't help. But thanks for flagging it so I can correct verification. Bob 12:35, 11 August 2021 (EDT)

New Users

Bob, when writing a message on a new user's page, please consider adding a welcome message by placing:

{{subst:welcome}} --~~~~

at the top of the page. Not only is this more friendly, they do often read the help links which cuts down on future problems. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:10, 14 August 2021 (EDT)

Thanks. After years of never encountering newbies, all of a sudden it seems like a flood. Bob 16:12, 14 August 2021 (EDT)

Don't reject submissions from newcomers

Hi Bob, just an FYI. I notice that you rejected and Don't do that. Instead, accept, submit a correction, and educate the new editor. Much more welcoming this way :) MagicUnk 15:48, 21 August 2021 (EDT)

I understand the reasoning, and if the submission has a couple of errors that are simple to correct, I do as you suggest. But when there are many errors and some of them are not easily corrected it seems to me to be a better practice to reject the submission, noting the many errors, especially when the submitter repeatedly submits the same errors repeatedly. When the submitter is also the author of the pub submitted, I tend to think he will resubmit in better form, and I'm less than confident he will become a regular editor. Bob 11:11, 22 August 2021 (EDT)


Added notes and external IDs to your PVd Starfarers.Jim 23:22, 22 August 2021 (EDT)

The Mystery of the Japanese Clock

Added one line to notes on your PVd The Mystery of the Japanese Clock.Jim 22:04, 25 August 2021 (EDT)

Thanks. Bob 17:12, 3 September 2021 (EDT)

Splitting some Burroughs publications you have verified

Some existing Burroughs publications you have PV'd have two variants that need to be split. You have verified Pirates of Venus

Please check this poll to help determine which variant is the existing entry, and which is created. Your participation is appreciated. ../Doug H 23:35, 26 August 2021 (EDT)

Sorry, I'm lost. I don't know how to judge. Bob 10:18, 27 August 2021 (EDT)
No real judgement involved. I found two versions of Pirates of Venus with different ads. I'm trying to find out who has which version. It comes to checking your copy to see if there are 9 or 22 titles listed in the Burroughs ad at the end of the book and typing a 1 or 2 in the poll next to your name. Beyond that, a moderator wants everyone with a copy to have a say as to which ad goes in the existing copy leaving the other ad to go in the new version. Depending on which ad is in your book, you may need to unverify your copy and verify the new one. Whether you care to voice an opinion or not, which ad is in your version might count as a vote. ../Doug H 11:39, 27 August 2021 (EDT)
Done. Much clearer explanation. Thanks. Bob 08:37, 28 August 2021 (EDT)
Punch-drunk from spending what seems like too long trying to get something seemingly trivial done in a group setting. Thanks for your input. ../Doug H 10:33, 28 August 2021 (EDT)

Fantasy Macabre edit

Hi Bob

The is an edit to one of your verified publications. I've put it on hold. Could you take a look and let me know if it's OK to approve the edit or not. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:42, 27 August 2021 (EDT)

Please go ahead and approve the submission. Mostly typos. Bob 10:21, 27 August 2021 (EDT)

David A. Goodman essay in SFWA Bulletin Summer 1978

Hi Bob, you have this pub verified, and I've come across a bit of a headscratcher with one of the contents.

David A. Goodman has an essay in this pub, but according to Wikipedia, he was born in 1962, which would make him an exceptionally precocious contributor to the SFWA Bulletin at age 16? (I've submitted an edit to add those birth details.) My vague understanding of how SFWA works - in the present day at least - is that members (and thus presumably contributors to their magazines?) have to be published writers, which makes me even more dubious this is the same person. (Although by that token, I'd have expected him to have some other earlier entries in the database?)

His other pubs in the database are all from the past decade - he has another Trek book due this month, which is how I stumbled across this - although Wikipedia indicates he's worked mostly as a TV writer.

Any ideas? Thanks ErsatzCulture 15:33, 2 September 2021 (EDT)

Good catch. My best guess is that this guy is the father of the young man currently contributing speculative fiction. He appears to be a published psychologist. The article says "to be continued" at the end, but no continuation appears in the next issue. My best guess is that the Goodman in the SFWA Bulletin was not a member of SFWA, but is likely the father of the current writer. The two Goodmans are clearly different men. Call the one in the Bulletin David A. Goodman (I) to differentiate him from the other; whether to speculate on his relationship the the author is up to you. Bob 19:47, 2 September 2021 (EDT)
Thanks. I've just submitted a barebones edit to separate the 2 David A. Goodmans. ErsatzCulture 08:33, 3 September 2021 (EDT)

More Ghosts & Scholars

Hi Bob -

You're the only verifier of More Ghosts & Scholars. Reginald3 has this as an anthology. I think it's fine to leave it as a fanzine (as it is listed in Miller/Contento). Howeve, while Reginald lists Pardoe as co-publisher with Haunted Library, he specifically notes that she is "as anonymous editor". Worldcat again lists Pardoe as co-publisher, but lists no editor. Could you double check if she has an actual editor credit? If not, we should consider changing the editor credit to "uncredited" and then variant the record to Pardoe. Could you also check how the publishers are listed? We have publisher records for both Pardoe and Haunted Library, but none with a combined credit. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:00, 6 September 2021 (EDT)

"MORE GHOSTS AND SCHOLARS is published by Rosemary Pardoe, The Haunted Library, 11B Cote Lea Square...." This is unquestionably a fanzine, anyone who calls it an anthology is an idiot. There is no editor credit, but Pardoe is obviously the editor and owns the copyright. She also reviewed two of the three pubs in the issue. Go ahead and variant if you wish, but I wouldn't.Bob 11:50, 7 September 2021 (EDT)

Mary Austin

I've got a question about the author Mary Austin, who has a poem in Your pv pub The Magazine of Fantasy and Science Fiction, September 1959. She is supposed to be the same person as Jane Rice. But I guess there is a confusion: Jane Rice, 1913-2003, is different from Mary Austin, 1868-1934. maybe she is Mary Austin (I) ? Or is there a second Jane Rice? --Zapp 05:57, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

All I can suggest is that you contact Mike Hutchins. who apparently created the alternate name connection. Bob 09:38, 18 September 2021 (EDT)

Approving incomplete


If you are going to be approving things like this, you need to edit it after that to make it at least a partially viable record - which means adding source where you verified that the book indeed exist and at least some ID (ISBN, ASIN, Goodreads ID, BN ID and so on or a link to a site where the book is found). If you do not plan on doing that, either reject the book, put it on hold and wait for the user to come back with an answer (won't happen with this specific editor) or leave it for someone else to approve. Thanks! Annie 14:00, 23 September 2021 (EDT)

Agreed. Clearly, the source was Amazon, and I did ask the submitter to add that info. No ISBN given, I added the price and ASIN, which I should have asked the submitter to add. Mea culpa. This editor never learns and is more trouble than he's worth. Bob 17:59, 23 September 2021 (EDT)
But that editor won't come and update the book - they add good books so I am willing to fix them if need be but they won't learn the pb/tp difference or add sources or IDs. We know that. They will come back and add contents often but not the rest. So if you approve their submissions, you need to fix them. Leaving them like that, knowing that they will never be fixed ends up with more issues downstream - duplicate books, ratty records and frustration when people add the book again and again. :) Annie 18:16, 23 September 2021 (EDT)
PS: Look at its corresponding paperback. It is 86 pages. That is no novel... :) Annie 18:17, 23 September 2021 (EDT)
Fixed this one and the other pub this clown submitted and I let through. Bob 20:06, 23 September 2021 (EDT)
‎ 5 x 0.2 x 8 inches :) That's a "tp", not "pb". I fixed the paperback you added to that one. You may need to fix the other one if your finger slipped there as well. Annie 21:57, 23 September 2021 (EDT)
I debated that one. Given the price and the 8", I figured pb. But the 5" is too big for pb, so tp is fine. The other is an e-book only. Bob 09:37, 24 September 2021 (EDT)
Ignore the order and look for the largest number - the 5 is irrelevant. 8x5 is a standard tp as much as 9x6 is. You will very rarely see mmpb outside of the big publishers these days. PS: The help page says " tall as 7.25" (19 cm) or as wide/deep as 4.5" (11.5 cm) use "tp"." Even the tall mass market paperbacks at 7.5 are recorded as tp in the system. The 8 can never be a "pb". :)Annie 10:14, 24 September 2021 (EDT)

Isaac Asimov Magazine, #06

Hi Bob,

See my note here. This is most likely not a June issue of the magazine unless you have a source I missed somewhere. Using the English numbering for the Asimov's international editions does not really work - in a lot of cases the international edition is not even an issue of the English one but a selection of it. And when the month/date is unclear, we need to use the issue number instead. :) Annie 20:11, 27 September 2021 (EDT)

The date was a guess based on the number 6 and the 1990 date. It bothered me that the size was pb for a magazine. Given that the number of pages was so much greater than the U.S. edition, I'm amazed that the content is only a selection of the U.S. edition. One problem I had was that I couldn't trace the web sites because they had pop-ups in Portuguese that I couldn't read so didn't know how to respond to. I changed the pub back to the original submission except citing the source in the notes. Bob 10:28, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
They sometimes do selections from multiple issues into a single one. Think of it as a franchise, not as straight translations of specific issues sometimes. For the pop ups on these pages - click anywhere outside of them and they disappear. :) Annie 11:19, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
And then it's possible that these aren't magazines at all but anthologies (that present story selections), just like this series, with one example (which would fit to the paperback format). Christian Stonecreek 11:51, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
They are treated as a magazine in any Portuguese media I can see so magazines they are. Just because they are a selection of translations does not necessarily make them anthologies - that’s a common way to assemble magazines outside of the big languages. And the small format is not always a problem. It’s not much of a difference anyway so if a Portuguese speaking editor calls them magazines, so they are. :) Annie 11:58, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
That needn't to have consequences for us: The German publications of the Perry Rhodan series are referred to as NOVELs in all German sources (including the publisher and Perrypedia), but are magazines for us (which contain only NOVELLAs of around 30,000 words in length). That's because it features also interviews, essays, reviews, illustrations, and a letter column: see this latest example.
We have to decide which of our definitions a title fits, and if a series does fit the definition for anthologies, it is a possibility to handle it as such. I think it's worth a consideration. Christian Stonecreek 13:27, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
There is a difference between defining novellas vs novels and the line between magazines and anthologies. The first is well defined. The second had always been a bit murky. In any way - that’s not a conversation to have in this thread. If you want to recategorize, do some research and post on Community your findings and proposal and we all can discuss. And not all magazines features interviews and so on - different cultures and publishing practices exist around the world. :) Annie 13:39, 28 September 2021 (EDT)
The difference lays in that if Germany would use our length definitions the publications would still be CHAPBOOKs, not MAGAZINEs (the latter are characterized by the diversity of their contents, just like a physical magazine). Christian Stonecreek 04:15, 29 September 2021 (EDT)
Yep. But again - not sure it is applicable here. Sometimes it is about deciding what fits the best. Things overlap. :) Annie 04:16, 29 September 2021 (EDT)

HPL; Found and added link to Fantlab's page for the 2nd printing of HPL (1972); you PV'd the 1st printing, so can you verify whether "Survey of current publications in the field" from contents page photo #21 says Macarbe at head of essay, or was it misspelled when entered here? Contents page seems to be a bit unreliable, since previous essay "Special announcements and miscellaney" includes a misspelled word on contents page but just says "Special announcements" in photo #11. --Username 15:33, 29 September 2021 (EDT)

The heading on p.143 is "Survey of Current Publications in the Field of the Macabre with Special Emphasis on H. P. Lovecraft". The TOC says "Survey of Current Publications in the Field". My usual type of typo. Miscellany is indeed misspelled in the TOC, but does not appear over the text. I fixed my typo; thanks. Bob 21:05, 29 September 2021 (EDT)

Femmes; added page to the record with info and pictures, and noticed publisher is misspelled (Ficition). Photo of copyright page is too blurry, so is it misspelled in the pub. or entered wrong here? --Username 14:44, 30 September 2021 (EDT)

Fixed. Thanks. Bob 16:23, 30 September 2021 (EDT)


Shouldn't the dust jacket inside illustration by Isaac Stewart to be changed as an interiorart here? --Zapp 12:59, 1 October 2021 (EDT)

DamnifIknow. I'll let Nihonjoe decide. Bob 09:36, 2 October 2021 (EDT)

ISBN13 in 1972


Regardless of what an external site may be saying, books in 1972 could not have had ISBN13 because noone had invented it yet. That's why we have the nice yellow warning about it. I fixed it here, here and here. So even when the external site uses ISBN13, please convert to ISBN10 and use that if the book is pre-2007 - different sites have different policies on what they are using and ours is to use the ISBN that can be on the book :) Thanks! Annie 15:49, 5 October 2021 (EDT)

Yes Mother. Sometimes when I'm entering a hardcopy for some lazy editor who entered only an e-book, I get careless. Sorry about that. Bob 17:15, 5 October 2021 (EDT)
No worries. I am clearing some of the cleanup reports and sending reminders when I see repetitions :) Technically editors are not required to enter every edition or the first edition of a book. We all wish they did but I will take whatever people want to add... :) Annie 17:20, 5 October 2021 (EDT)

Grosset Robert E. Howard Books

Made a couple of edits for your PV'd Devil in Iron and Tower of the Elephant from eBay copies; nothing major, just tweaked publisher and added a price, plus notes (they printed price differently on back covers between the 2 books, which was weird). --Username 20:45, 7 October 2021 (EDT)

Freehold Short Fiction


You had been adding all the serials in this series (I know it had been awhile back but I am clearing cleanup reports so just found them). That's not how serials work - all of these need to be varianted into a work that contains the full text and then the full text work gets into a series. Can you please fix these? If you are not sure how to fix, let me know and I can assist. Thanks! Annie 14:00, 8 October 2021 (EDT)

I don't know how to do this. I suppose I could make each story a collection that is part of the series, then each numbered piece shortfiction (short story) in the collection. It seems to me the order of the pieces in the pub should be maintained. But I don't see what variants have to do with this. Bob 15:31, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
A SERIAL is part of a story or a novel (or a complete novel inside of a magazine). Which means that a SERIAL is always varianted into a NOVEL or a SHORTFICTION. So if these are SERIALS, they need to be varianted into a title record that contains the full text of the full novel/story (regardless if it was ever published as a single story/novel). Alternatively, they need to be converted to short stories instead (see how Cherryh's split novella was recorded here for example). And to stay with the examples, you can see how a serial is here. But you cannot have a free standing SERIAL entry. Annie 15:44, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
Just a quick pointer -- Help:How to connect serials to titles discusses this topic in-depth. Ahasuerus 15:57, 8 October 2021 (EDT)
Ah, thanks, that clears thing up. Completed. Please check for me. Do I need to make the serial parts not related to the series individually? Bob 14:58, 9 October 2021 (EDT)
When you variant a title, the variant loses its series designation - it flows up. There is only one case where you need to clear it manually - when the two works were in different series. :) So all good. I’d personally make these two poems over there also serials and add a note explaining that they are actually poems (so the thing looks more ordered ) but either way works. Annie 15:58, 9 October 2021 (EDT)

Feghoot Naming

Hi Bob

I'm looking at the early Ferdinand Feghoot stories published in F&SF. We currently have the story in the August 1958 issue with the title "Through Time and Space with Ferdinand Feghoot: VIII". Despite the note in this site (which I believe is the official home of the magazine), Miller/Contento, and more importantly, my copy has the title as simply "Through Time and Space with Ferdinand Feghoot". There is no numbering on the title page nor in the table of contents. I suspect that the earlier F&SF stories don't have a number as well, though they did begin numbering them with the November 1958 issue (if Miller/Contento is correct). I see you've verified the earlier issues that contain these stories, but it you don't feel like pulling them, I've ordered nearly all the issues with Feghoots that I am missing. Ordinarily when we have a title repeated across issues, we disambiguate it with the magazine title in parentheses. Thus, I think we should change the title of this story to "Through Time and Space with Ferdinand Feghoot (F&SF, August 1958)". As I obtain the additional issues, I would make similar title changes. I don't know how the numbered titles were introduced in our records. I'm sure it happened before either of us verified these issues. Perhaps that's how they are reflected in the Advent collection. Please let me know if you have thoughts on this. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:13, 10 October 2021 (EDT)

Skull-Face: Omnibus vs and Others

Hi Bob, you verified both editions of Howard's Skull-Face Omnibus. I'm going to verify my copy of the 1st printing, but thoug cover and spine state the title as "Skull-Face Omnibus", the title page states "Skull-Face and Others", so according to our rules that should be the title. Can you check the title page of the 2nd impression? If that also states "Skull-Face and Others", I can merge both titles. Thanks, --Willem 10:49, 18 October 2021 (EDT)

Willem, It's identical. I changed a couple of things, but didn't finish. Thanks. Bob 11:26, 18 October 2021 (EDT)
Thanks! I'll do the rest. Good luck! --Willem 13:02, 18 October 2021 (EDT)

The Gold at Starbows End

When you are back and you are back on track with things: Can you check again your data about that review here: is it The Gold at Starbows End or The Gold at Starbow's End. I connected it to the proper collection but if it is spelled that way in the review, I'd like to add a note and if not, we should fix it. Thanks!

PS: I hope you are feeling better. Annie 01:18, 20 October 2021 (EDT)

Thanks, Annie. It is "The Gold at the Starbow's End". Fixed. Bob 15:11, 31 October 2021 (EDT)

Silver Eel; Fritz's last name is spelled 2 different ways in the interview; is that a mistake? --Username 19:42, 21 October 2021 (EDT)

My typo. Fixed. Thank you! Bob 15:02, 31 October 2021 (EDT)

Sam Araya

Hi Bob,

There are quite a few pieces of art from Sam Araya in Spectrum 27: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art. Any chance that it is our well known Samuel Araya? Annie 04:57, 24 October 2021 (EDT)

Doesn't say, but I'm sure it is. Bob 14:59, 31 October 2021 (EDT)
No biography or anything? Any way to trace any of these online (I do not see any obvious matches with covers under his Samuel name but I cannot see the images) so we can make absolutely sure and connect them? Annie 00:58, 1 November 2021 (EDT)
Spectrum never has bios. It gives the addresses. and, which I suppose is a website. Bob 19:17, 1 November 2021 (EDT)
Unless someone deviously managed to grab samarayaart from gmail and is also an artist, that's the same guy - Samuel Araya owns the alias pretty much everywhere else. And this clinches it - his nomination and the publication in the book is under Sam Araya but that's Samuel Araya's Instagram. Do you want to connect them or should I? Annie 20:14, 1 November 2021 (EDT)
Annie, go ahead. I'm not fully functional yet and it'll probably take me a couple of weeks to get back to normal. Sorry. Bob 09:56, 2 November 2021 (EDT)

The Bells of Shoredan

For this publication I think ph (pamphlet) would be bettar as format than pb (paperback). Any objections to me changing this? Thanks, --Willem 16:31, 30 October 2021 (EDT)

Fine with me. Bob 15:00, 31 October 2021 (EDT)
Thanks and done! --Willem 11:24, 2 November 2021 (EDT)

The Littlest People (Galaxy March 1954)

The isfdb entry for the March 1954 issue of Galaxy SF lists 2 interior illustrations for the story "The Littlest People", though the story in fact only contains one. Just leaving this note to let you know that I'll rectify this issue soon. --Rreett 17:07, 4 November 2021 (EDT)

Thanks for the notice. Bob 09:26, 5 November 2021 (EDT)

Bran Mak Morn (synopsis)

You have verified publications with Bran Mak Morn (synopsis) and Bran Mak Morn Synopsis. Are these the same or different synopsis? If you can variant or add title notes as appropriate, it would be appreciated. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:19, 7 November 2021 (EST)

Done. Same text. The second is a copy of the original typescript. Bob 10:08, 8 November 2021 (EST)

Cryoburn notes changes

CD-ROM info added to Cryoburn Phil 13:18, 14 November 2021 (EST)

Thank you. Bob 16:12, 14 November 2021 (EST)

The Curse of Chalion

Added Canadian price to first edition hc. Phil 12:28, 19 November 2021 (EST)

Cool! Bob 15:33, 19 November 2021 (EST)


Hi Bob,

Can you pull out Virgil Finlay Remembered: The Seventh Book of Virgil Finlay and/or Virgil Finlay's Phantasms. I am trying to chase down this illustration. According to the magazine record and an editor, it does not belong to Finlay but it is connected in these two books so... is there any notes that can talk about misidentifying or anything like this? Any chance that it was actually the one from "Wonder Stories, 1957" and not the one in "Thrilling Wonder Stories, October 1950" first (aka that we misconnected that 1950 images and the Finlay ones are only in 1957 and later (even though it is a reprint so it should not happen but...)? Or something like that? Thanks! Annie 05:55, 22 November 2021 (EST)

The illustration has Finlay's signature. Both books credit Finlay and cite the 1950 publication. Gerry de la Ree published his seven books of Finlay illustrations using his own collection of Finlay material, and he obviously thought the illustration was from 1950. That may be related to when he acquired the illustration, but there is no way to really tell. If that illustration is in the 1950 pulp, it's Finlay. I can supply a scan of the illustration, but I don't know how to do that except as an attachment to an e-mail. Bob 10:52, 22 November 2021 (EST)
How about this: Here is the image from 1950. Is that the same image? Annie 11:36, 22 November 2021 (EST)
No. Bob 12:37, 22 November 2021 (EST)
Well - this is the image on page 11 in the 1950 magazine. How about this one (p. 13) or this one(page 15) (this last one is a big bigger but this is the main part of it)? These are the three images associated with "Shadow on the Sand" in the 1950 magazine. If none of them matches, then the 1950 publication they are talking about is not "Thrilling Wonder Stories, October 1950". Annie 13:16, 22 November 2021 (EST)
None of them is the one in the two Finlay books. So de la Ree must have misidentified the source (and was copied by Underwood and Miller). Nice detecting! Bob 16:19, 22 November 2021 (EST)
An editor complained that are still claiming it is Finlay and I went chasing it. I will disconnect that 1950 one then, leave the 1957 and later ones connected to the two books and one day we may be able to sort all of them out as well but that solves the 1950 magazine problem so I am done with it. Annie 17:25, 22 November 2021 (EST)
Bob, see my note. Feel free to rewrite/complete/add to it if there is something to be added - as you have the books. In the meantime I will delete the three images I uploaded. Thanks for the assistance! Annie 17:29, 22 November 2021 (EST)

4 "Mark Dunn"s

A quick update re: your verified publications with interior art credited to "Mark Dunn". Based on an e-mail exchange with Dave Langford and a review of what's stated in Interzone, I have split "Mark Dunn" into Mark Dunn (US-based author), Mark Dunn (artist) (mostly illustrations for UK small presses) and Mark Dunn (UK) (Oxford-based editor with an award-winning story in Interzone). Hopefully it all makes sense :) Ahasuerus 16:06, 24 November 2021 (EST)

Seems reasonable to me, especially with the date matches. Bob 21:11, 25 November 2021 (EST)

Hangfire price check

Could you check the C$ price of [3]? My copy has $9.99, not $8.99. Thanks. --GlennMcG 15:16, 30 November 2021 (EST)

You are correct. Make the change. Bob 09:40, 1 December 2021 (EST)

Flashpoint excerpt Pointblank

Could you doublecheck your copy of Pointblank [4] and confirm the excerpt is titled Flashpoint? It seems unlikely, as my 2nd printing has it titled Flashfire, which matches the copyright note in your PVed record. --GlennMcG 16:57, 30 November 2021 (EST)

Again, you are correct. Make the change. Bob 09:41, 1 December 2021 (EST)

Force Majeure, Part 2 of2

Hi Bob,

Shouldn't this be called "Force Majeure, Part 2 of 9"? Thanks! Annie 13:48, 2 December 2021 (EST)

Indeed it should. Brain freeze. Fixed. Bob 17:23, 2 December 2021 (EST)

Horrorstory, Volume Five

Hi Bob,

I was looking at this one. Why is the title "Horrorstory, Volume Five" and not "Horrorstory: Volume Five" or "Horrorstory Volume Five". The title page has no punctuation at all so we either consider that a subtitle (so we use ":" or part of the title so no comma at all. Or am I missing something obvious somewhere? Thanks! Annie 18:14, 6 December 2021 (EST)

I agree, and made the changes to both volumes 3 and 5. I'm kind of surprised I have this book because I'm not big on horror. But I do like Wagner and bought a lot of books from Chuck Miller early in the 1960s (but not his book). Anyhow, fixed. Bob 19:14, 6 December 2021 (EST)
They breed, Bob. Books breed. That's why you end up having books you have no earthly idea when you bought. Or that is my theory and I am going to stick to it! :) Annie 19:35, 6 December 2021 (EST)

Interstellar Patrol

Added notes and the LCCN to Interstellar Patrol prior to doing a PV. Phil 10:30, 7 December 2021 (EST)

Cool! Thanks. Bob 11:00, 7 December 2021 (EST)

Some Will Not Die

Added LCCN and note to Some Will Not Die and then did a PV. Phil 17:42, 8 December 2021 (EST)

Cool! Thanks.Bob 22:23, 8 December 2021 (EST)

The Chantry Guild

Added notes to The Chantry Guild before doing a PV. Phil 08:03, 14 December 2021 (EST)

Way of the Pilgrim

Added notes and LCCN to Way of the Pilgrim prior to doing a PV. Phil 08:25, 14 December 2021 (EST)

The Final Encyclopedia

Added notes, fixed page count to include unnumbered pages, added new regular title for the map to The Final Encyclopedia based on owned copy. Will PV. Phil 08:38, 14 December 2021 (EST)

What Distant Deeps

While preparing to PV What Distant Deeps, I noticed the page count was missing the unnumbered pages and the "Author's Note" on pg. ix isn't included in the regular titles. Any problem with me adding the regular title and changing the page count to x+370? Phil 10:25, 14 December 2021 (EST)

When the Tide Rises

While preparing to PV When the Tide Rises, I noticed the page count was missing the unnumbered pages and the "Author's Note" on pg. [5] isn't included in the regular titles. Any problem with me adding the regular title and changing the page count to [8]+356? Also adding notes and the LCCN. Phil 10:49, 14 December 2021 (EST)

The Way to Glory

While preparing to PV The Way to Glory, I noticed the page count was missing the unnumbered pages and the "Author's Note" on pg. [5] isn't included in the regular titles. Any problem with me adding the regular title and changing the page count to [7]+402? Also adding notes. Phil 06:24, 15 December 2021 (EST)

Lt. Leary, Commanding

While preparing to PV Lt. Leary, Commanding, I noticed the page count was missing the unnumbered pages and the "Author's Note" on pg. [5] isn't included in the regular titles. Any problem with me adding the regular title and changing the page count to [7]+432? Also adding notes. Phil 06:30, 15 December 2021 (EST)

No objection. I really don't see any need to include the "Author's Note" or the unnumbered pages ahead of the story. But if they light your fire, go ahead and include them. And for the most part, the notes you add I would never include because they add nothing of value. But go ahead. Bob 12:47, 15 December 2021 (EST)

Servant of the Empire

Added notes before doing a PV. Phil 11:43, 16 December 2021 (EST)


I added a note re gutter code P025 on page 308 and then did a PV. Phil 12:01, 16 December 2021 (EST)

Rage of a Demon King

Can you please look at your copy of Rage of a Demon King and see if there is a map on the endpapers? I have a first edition and there isn't one in mine. If it's not there, can I remove it from the pub? Phil 06:30, 17 December 2021 (EST)

Krondor: The Betrayal

While preparing to PV Krondor: The Betrayal, I noticed that the "Author's Afterword" on page 374 is missing. Any problem with my adding it? Phil 07:00, 17 December 2021 (EST)

A Kingdom Besieged

Added notes and endpaper map title to A Kingdom Besieged before doing a PV. Phil 07:59, 17 December 2021 (EST)

Scallion Stone; The Canon of the Ghostly Tales is what I changed the intro to since that's what it says in a FantLab photo; I assume your PV'd copy says the same, but can you check it's written the same way at the head of the intro? --Username 10:37, 17 December 2021 (EST)

I had a difficult time finding this pub, until I realized I had acquired it because of Farian's art. You are correct about the the title. Bob 16:05, 17 December 2021 (EST)

1634: The Baltic War

When preparing to PV 1634: The Baltic War and add a link to the CD-ROM pub, I noticed that the "Descendants of Henry Short" interiorart title on page xiii is missing. Any objection to me adding it? Phil 07:19, 18 December 2021 (EST)

Belisarius I: Thunder at Dawn

Added notes for Belisarius I: Thunder at Dawn prior to doing a PV. Phil 07:54, 22 December 2021 (EST)

1636: The Saxon Uprising

Added notes for 1636: The Saxon Uprising prior to doing a PV. Phil 08:16, 22 December 2021 (EST)

The Howling Stones

Added notes to The Howling Stones prior to doing a PV. Phil 07:33, 23 December 2021 (EST)

Flinx's Folly (A Pip & Flinx Novel)

Would you object to my removing the '(A Pip & Flinx Novel)' portion of the title from Flinx's Folly (A Pip & Flinx Novel)? It is a series name and according to ISFDB standards doesn't belong in the title of this pub. The Title record here is already correct. I'd also be adding notes and doing a PV. Thanks! Phil 08:55, 23 December 2021 (EST)

Running from the Deity: A Pip & Flinx Adventure

Would you object to my removing the '(A Pip & Flinx Novel)' portion of the title from Running from the Deity: A Pip & Flinx Adventure? It is a series name and according to current ISFDB standards doesn't belong in the title of this pub. The Title record here is already correct. I'd also be adding notes and doing a PV. Thanks! Phil 08:39, 24 December 2021 (EST)

Reunion - add missing title

Would you please look at your copy of Reunion and see if there is an in-universe essay titled "A Note on the History of Interstellar Travel" on page 327? I'd like to add it plus some notes. Would that be OK? Phil 09:07, 24 December 2021 (EST)

Yep, sure is. Go ahead and add it if you wish. Bob 15:36, 24 December 2021 (EST)

Under the Yoke / Stirling

My copy of Under the Yoke (which I'm attempting to PV) doesn't have a number line. Can you confirm? --GlennMcG 20:45, 28 December 2021 (EST)

Confirm. Bob 11:18, 29 December 2021 (EST)

The Rose Sea / Stirling/Lisle

When PVing The Rose Sea is see the notes indicate a full number line. My copy doesn't have one. Yours? --GlennMcG 17:51, 29 December 2021 (EST)

Nope. Bob 21:07, 29 December 2021 (EST)

Pilots Choice

Would you mind checking your copy of Pilots Choice and looking at page 299 to see if the actual title of the essay is "How to Find a Lifemate in Several Hundred Not-So-Easy-Steps Or How to Find Authors You Really, Really Love on the Very First Try"? That's the title in my first edition copy. If it matches my copy, I think the existing title needs to be removed and replaced with this title. Thanks! Phil 08:18, 12 January 2022 (EST)

Fixed. Thanks. Bob 09:55, 12 January 2022 (EST)

Liaden Universe Companion Volume 2

Would you mind checking your copy of Liaden Universe Companion Volume 2 and see if the last printed page number is 303? That would match my first edition copy and the data in WorldCat. Thanks! Phil 10:41, 13 January 2022 (EST)

It is. If you want to add the garbage at the end of the pub, go ahead and change the page number and add the "content". Bob 13:15, 13 January 2022 (EST)

Kings of the North and Echoes of Betrayal

Would you please check your copy of Kings of the North and see if the last printed page number is 478 like it is on my copy? If so, I think the pages value should be [14]+478. I'll be adding the WorldCat ID and doing a PV.

Would you also please check your copy of Echoes of Betrayal and see if the last printed page number is 451 like it is on my copy? If so, I think the pages value should be [10]+451. I'll be adding the WorldCat ID and doing a PV. Thanks! Phil 08:31, 17 January 2022 (EST)

Go ahead and do both. I'm not sure what I was thinking when I entered those pubs.Bob 14:12, 17 January 2022 (EST)

The Witches of Karres SFBC edition

I was getting ready to PV The Witches of Karres but the page count in my copy is 235 not 253. Can you check yours and see if it matches? It looks like a finger-check happened. Thanks! Phil 11:22, 20 January 2022 (EST)

I no longer have this pub. When the Baen edition came out in 2004, I guess I discarded the SFBC edition. I've changed my verification to transient. Please correct the page count I transposed. Bob 13:19, 20 January 2022 (EST)

Meats; Is it Meir or Meier? You PV books with his art. --Username 17:48, 21 January 2022 (EST)

Good catch! Meier is correct (fixed). Bob 20:07, 21 January 2022 (EST)

In Fire Forged

Before doing a PV on In Fire Forged, do you mind if I change the page count to 317 to account for the unnumbered pages with content at the end of the book and remove the series name "Worlds of Honor #5" from the title to meet current standards? Thanks. Phil 10:53, 24 January 2022 (EST)

Feel free. The title thing really embarrasses me. Bob 14:30, 24 January 2022 (EST)
Don't be. I'm not sure when the standards changed but your PV was in 2012. I also submitted fixes for the SFBC pub that has no PV and the associated cover image title. Phil 17:39, 24 January 2022 (EST)

The Gold at Starbows End pending edit

Please check the top of the moderator's queue. You have a submission from 2021-10-31 still waiting your processing. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:40, 4 February 2022 (EST)

And one from Early January (while you are checking anyway) Annie 18:54, 4 February 2022 (EST)
How embarrassing! Done. Bob 10:32, 5 February 2022 (EST)


Minor edit to Earth to tidy up Notes and add Canadian price. Teallach 14:11, 5 February 2022 (EST)