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"... on front jacket flap" in title

Hi Bob. I accepted your content submission for Spectrum 19, but I don't think you should do the "Figure 8" title the way you did. The location doesn't belong in the title, but rather in the Page field. The help says you can use descriptive text (what it doesn't say is the text is limited to eight characters). I find quite a few examples where this has been done, so there is a precedent. One pub uses "front fl"; something similar would be "fr flap", I suppose. --MartyD 02:12, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Marty. I had no idea how to handle that; I like your suggested form. Bob 08:52, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Updating Spectrum 19

Submission updating this record to add contents was accepted...then I noticed that another editor had done the same for another edition of the same publication. You have chosen to add quotation marks to the titles, a choice not usually taken unless it is the author/artist's intention, such as in titles which themselves are quotes. The other editor didn't use the marks and has skipped adding contents to pages 90-156 which you have entered. In any case, you two should get together to reconcile the two pub records. The many dozens of content records will also need to be merged. In the future, it is advisable to check with other editions to see if the contents are already in the database. Importing would have saved you the now apparent wasted effort in manually entering each of these content records and the time it will take to merge them. Mhhutchins 23:41, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

I just noticed this discussion between you and the other editor. I also wonder why the book's sections are listed in the title record. That is usually done in the publication record as it was done here by the other editor. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:44, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

On the last point: I didn't enter either of those section listings. I did enter section listings for Spectrum 20 in the title record, though. Since the same sections apply to all editions, it seemed to me that the title record was the better choice for such information. On the first point, I became aware that the other editor had entered some content records for Spectrum 19, and intended to contact her before merging items. I was mildly surprised that she had not added those entries to my earlier entry for the hardcover, and discovered what had happened when I went to merge a few titles yesterday. As for the quotes, I used them where the pub used the title of the illustration, and inserted no quotes where there is no title, but the content is obvious (usually with comics items, eg. Batman, Penguin, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles). I'll contact her now and straighten things out. Bob 00:28, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Instead of making separate submissions to change each individual title, why not do a publication update to change them in one submission? Mhhutchins 01:18, 11 January 2014 (UTC)
Good idea! Done for the rest of the illos! Bob 02:05, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

Shaun Tan[n]

Could you double check the two pieces credited to Shaun Tann in Spectrum 20. I suspect they are really by Shaun Tan. If they are miscredited, we should make them variants. Additionally, I suspect that "Never Leave a Red Sock on the Clothesline" is likely the same painting as "Never Leave a Red Sock on the Line" I've double checked the title of the latter and it is correct. The image is of a giant rabbit in in alley between houses with two figures huddling behind a fence. The image is in sepia and black except for a single red sock hanging on a clothesline. The credit in the Aussicon book further states that it was first published by Gestalt in the anthology Flinch. This may be another case where a variant is warranted. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:23, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

The credits are given to "Tann", although the index lists the artist as "Tan", referring to the same drawings. So they should be varianted. I haven't gotten that far in reviewing the artwork for variants yet, but I will make them variants when I get to them. The illustration "Red Sock" is NOT the same. It's in color, and shows a giant red rabbit, as well as the sock on the line. I do note the title is slightly different: it has "[redux]" after the name I've entered. I'll add that to the title when I get that far (I have 14 pages to go to get there). Thanks for the heads-up, Ron. Bob 21:38, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

"Unmerging" pubs from contents

I'm holding the submissions in which you want to "unmerge" publications from their contents. We usually use the "Remove Titles" function to do this. What exactly are you attempting to do with these submissions? Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

This goes back to the Help note I left yesterday. Several times I had merged illustrations that appeared twice in Spectrum 20. Then when I imported the contents into the paperback, those illustrations appeared twice, but with the same page number for both. I was unmerging those to try to correct the problem, then adding the second page of the illustration to the contents of the hardcover version. The imported contents could be corrected before submission because I could change the page numbers of one of the duplicates (in the TPB version). Bob 14:43, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
I'll accept the submissions, but can't vouch to the results. It's probably best to just remove the incorrect titles from the pubs since I'm sure there's no bugs n that function. Mhhutchins 21:17, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

INTERIORART record = front cover?

This looks strange. How can there be an INTERIORART record for front cover art? Cover art credit is entered in the metadata section, not the contents section. And why create records for "fr flap" and "bk flap"? I've never seen that done before. Also, records for back cover art should be entered with page number "bc" according to the current standards. Also why give such a detailed description in the title field of "Nefertitl-Tut Express (p. 11 of "The Nefertiti-Tut Express" by Ray Bradbury, 2012)"? That much data in the title field just muddies the record, especially when you're only supposed to give the title. Such information could be given in the content record's note field. Mhhutchins 23:03, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if it looks strange. Per the notes sections, Spectrum 19 and 20 hardcovers have pictorial covers that use different art from the dust jackets. The front dust jacket art is credited in the metadata section and the back of the dust jacket as "bc". The illustrations on the pictorial covers is credited as "fr cover" and "bk cover"; if there is a different standard, I'd be happy to change them. I'll modify the p. 11 and p. 18 i.d.s; that was a place holder for the information. The flap illustrations are apparently not unique; the use of "fr flap" was suggested by another moderator based on other entries in the data base (look 4 items up in my discussion). Bob 23:51, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
If there are that many records in the db for flap art (even though I've never seen one of them), then it should be documented in the standards. And if I was confused by "bk cover" and "fr cover" then it's very likely that the average user would as well. Maybe come up with another term for "cover" of a book? Board? Mhhutchins 00:45, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Seven Conquests - Poul Anderson

Added publication date and ID number to Seven Conquests.SFJuggler 05:28, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Wonderful! Thank you. Bob 20:41, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

The Hour of the Dragon

Please check the publisher credit in this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:37, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Correct as given. Bob 20:27, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
I asked because Lulu spells it as "Strigoi", which is a lot easier to pronounce. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:06, 14 January 2014 (UTC)
The name on the back cover and the title page are in a fancy scrip and all in caps, and it appears to me to be as given; the letter in question curves back to the left at the bottom, like a J. But that may indeed be a feature of the lettering used; the name given on the copyright page is in plain text, and is indeed "Strigoi". So I'll change the spelling to the latter. Bob 21:51, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

"Magnus, Robet Fighter"

I'm holding the submission which wants to variant this record to one with (supposedly) the correct spelling. But if there is no record with that title in existence (as "Robot") then you shouldn't create a false title record, even if it is correctly spelled. Do you know if this piece has been published anywhere with the correct spelling? Mhhutchins 00:24, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I see that it's the cover of a comic book. Since there's no possibility of it ever being eligible on its own as a title record in the ISFDB, I would suggest either correcting the title field and noting the incorrect spelling, or leaving it as published in the artbook and noting the correct spelling in the title record's note field. Mhhutchins 00:31, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

I looked up the title on the internet to find out how it should have been spelled (and that it's a comic). I have found a number of typos in all this information for the artbooks. I don't like your second suggestion at all, I'll use the first. Bob 00:44, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
I agree and you chose wisely. Unlike fiction credit, I think we can bend the rules as far as art records go, especially in a case where there's never going to be a "correct" title in the db. Mhhutchins 01:25, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Spectrum 17

I'm not certain how it happened but all content records up to page 58 in this publication were duplicated. I remember accepting the submission, and then going back to the queue, and seeing that the submission was still listed. So I checked the record and saw that only the first fifty or so pages had been accepted. At that point, I could have gone back and rejected the submission that remained in the queue, but that would mean you'd have to add all of the contents up to page 104 again. Instead, I accepted the submission hoping it wouldn't duplicate the contents which were already in the record. Unfortunately, it did. The only thing to do now is to remove the duplicates, and then merge them with the other records. Once you've seen this message, let me know, and I can help you do this. Again, I don't know how it happened, but I'll help you fix it. Mhhutchins 01:19, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

I can guess how it happened. Sometimes I hit a wrong key and submit something I'm working on before I'm done, a problem of a poor touch typist. Usually, I then cancel the submission. But this time I guess I wasn't aware of the premature submission, hit the back arrow and kept on typing. I appreciate that you didn't reject the second submission; it's easier to remove the extra content than reenter the extra. I'll take care of it. Bob 15:22, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
I honestly don't think that happened in this case. There was only one submission in the queue and there's only one shown in the recent integration list, even though I accepted it twice. I'm thinking that because it included so many content records that before all of them were integrated into the database, there was a "hiccup" and the last step in the process (to remove the submission from the queue) never happened. So when I went back to the queue, the same submission was still sitting there. This is known to have happened in the past, especially when entering or updating records which added a great number of contents.
In any case, we can fix it. I've started deleting the duplicate title records working backward from page 58. Feel free to start at the beginning and go forward from there. BTW, you deleted two records titled "Kuska" by Android Jones, one each on pages 3 and 4. Was that intentional? Mhhutchins 19:02, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it was. The illustration covers both pages, but is centered on p. 4. The first time I entered it I put it there. The second time I put it on p. 3, and that one got duplicated. It should remain on p. 3. Bob 21:00, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Varianted cover art of The Comet Kings

It now appears on this page. Stonecreek 14:53, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Interesting! Bob 15:24, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Frankenstein Serial in December 1932 Weird Tales

When you get a chance, could you double check that Mary Shelley's name in your facsimile of the December 1932 issue of Weird Tales? Miller/Contento lists her as "Mary W. Shelley" which I'm certain is incorrect. Jaffery/Cook lists the installments under "Mary Wollstonecraft Shelley" which I suspect applies to the December 1932 installment as well. However, of the issues I own which contain installments, one of them has her name as "Mary Wollstonecraft-Shelley" with the hyphen. I've entered the other installments that I don't own from the form in Jaffery/Cook since they match the other installments I do own. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:52, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Jaffery/Cook had it correctly. No hyphen under the story title or in the TOC. I submitted a change. Bob 00:55, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Derleth's Nellie Foster

I've got another one for you. Both Miller/Contento and Jaffery/Cook list the author of "Nellie Foster" as "August W. Derleth" in its appearance in the June 1933 issue of Weird Tales. Could you double check your facsimile edition and let me know if his middle initial is present? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:59, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Also, I just noticed that the cover is credited to Margaret Brundage. Miller/Contento has it as "M. Brundage" which is how I've generally seen her name presented in this era, usually in the table of contents. If you could double check that too, that would be great. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:04, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Both of your differences are correct, it is August W. Derleth and M. Brundage. I didn't change submit a change for Derleth because I don't know if the "W." is correct for all of the appearances; I did submit a change for Brundage.Bob 01:01, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

September 1933 Weird Tales

I seem to be hitting a run of these where you've got the Girsol editions. For the September 1933 copy. Could you check how Brundage's name is credited; check whether Derleth's name includes his middle initial for the Derleth/Schorer story; and check whether the Frank Belknap Long poem has him credited with the "Jr." suffix. Miller/Contento indicates all of these. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

All are as shown in Miller/Contendo. I submitted a change only for Brundage. Bob 01:04, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for checking all of the above. I've gone ahead and made the additional edits. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Spectrum 17: fiction?

Can you check the types of the content records on pages 118-120 of this record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:17, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Fixed. Bob 03:24, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

More Weird Tales Facsimiles

Rather than continuing to bother you issue by issue, I've tried to go through all the remaining Weird Tales facsimiles that I haven't yet asked about. There are 7 issues where I think the cover artist should be credited as "M. Brundage": 5/34, 8/34, 12/34, 11/35, 7/36, 8/36 and 6/38, Additionally, two of those have stories by Derleth that should have his middle initial (12/34 & 11/35) and one where Frank Belknap Long should have the Jr. suffix (8/34). I can handle the edits as I go over the original issues, if you have no objection. I'm not sure of the source of the original import of the WT records, but they almost always use the canonical forms of Derleth and Long's names, also Keller and Leiber. Thanks again for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:46, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

Ron, I plead guilty to not being very careful with non-canonical versions of these names. When I enter data on the facsimiles, I first fill in the illustrators and letters in the already entered magazines. Then I copy the contents into a new entry for the facsimiles since the data base doesn't allow cloning of magazines. I didn't make any attempt to change the authors' names, and I pretty much copied whatever information was in the original. So please make the corrections as you encounter them, and you certainly don't need to keep me informed on them. You are just making it much easier for me to enter future facsimiles! Thanks! Bob 14:42, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

How to link to images on Amazon's server

  • Right click on the image and a menu should pop up. Depending on the browser you use, there will be an option to copy the image's URL (address). Choose that option.
  • In an update to a publication record, go down to the "Image URL:" field, and place your cursor in the blank field. Right click and choose to paste, again the wording may be different based on your browser. You can also use the keyboard and tap the CTRL and V keys at the same time. This will copy the URL of the image in the field.
  • Remove all characters between the two dots of the URL. For example if the URL is,TopRight,1,0_SH20_BO1,204,203,200_.jpg
you should remove all the characters between the dots, (leaving one of the dots) and it will look like this:

This should present a clean copy of the image, without the "Look Inside" banner and much larger than the image seen in the Amazon listing. This is what the image looks like with all of the characters. This is what it looks like after removing the characters.

Hope this helps. Mhhutchins 03:00, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael. Bob 17:37, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Changing title records contained in publication records in consecutive submissions

All of those title records you changed from this publication record reverted to the original (bad) title when you made a submission to update the publication record without waiting for the submissions to change the contents had been accepted. They'll have to be changed again. Please wait until submissions which change contents are accepted before making a submission to change the publication in which those contents appear. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:09, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

Ouch! Fixed. Bob 21:42, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

The Sword & Sorcery Anthology

I made some changes to your verified The Sword & Sorcery Anthology:

  • Removed "Introduction:" from the beginning of the introduction title as it's only present on the TOC and not the essay title page
  • Changed the page number of "Path of the Dragon" from 327 to 427
  • Added a cover scan.

Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 16:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

In making a second pass, I found another change needed. "The Stages of the God" was listed as by "Montgomery Comfort". However, the story is actually credited to "Ramsey Campbell" on the story's title page. I removed the variant and replaced it with the parent accordingly. -- JLaTondre (talk) 00:37, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The Trouble Twisters

Can you confirm that the cover artist is credited as "Emmanuel" (two "m"s) in this publication? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 19:03, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Same question about Seven Conquests. Mhhutchins 19:04, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

Both single "m". Fixed. Thanks, Michael. Bob 20:04, 26 January 2014 (UTC)

American Supernatural Tales

Re this record: what publisher is given on the title page? Also, because the book was first published in 2007, it's very likely that the introductory material including the author essays should be dated 2007. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:26, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Not the Del Toro intro. That was put in for this edition when Penguin Books put the pub into the Penguin Horror series, which Del Toro edits. I changed the others, but I think that's a guess; I don't know if the author pieces appear in the earlier edition, but I do agree it's likely. Bob 02:54, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
I knew the Del Toro introduction was new, but I'm fairly certain that they didn't add the author introductions for the new edition. The page count for both editions is exactly the same (except for the roman-numbered pages.) Mhhutchins 23:37, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

1636: Seas of Fortune

Re this record: Where does the novel fit in between all of the shortfiction pieces? Or is it a collection? Also, one of the maps was entered as shortfiction. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:45, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, not a novel, but two novellas. Fixed. Bob 02:56, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Updating individual title records

Perhaps you didn't know, but the last dozen or so submissions to update the titles and credits of the contents of this record could have been done in a single submission to update the publication record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:55, 29 January 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, theoretically. But it would have been extremely difficult to find the problems that way. I had to go through the book page by page and compare the entries to the pub in order to find the errors. The pub edit puts the contents into alphabetical order rather than page order, making such comparisons very time consuming for the reviewer. I suppose I could find the errors and write notes, then come back and edit the pub, but that too is much more difficult. Obviously best to avoid the errors in the first place. Bob 21:08, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes. It makes sense when you put it that way. Mhhutchins 23:34, 29 January 2014 (UTC)


Almost every source I could find give the editor and publisher of this art collection as Jon Beinart (thus the name of the publishing company). You have the cover artist as "Jon Bienart" and the editor as Robyn Flemming, and the only source that gives that credit is Amazon. Check out here, here, and here. I'm pretty much convinced that Amazon has it wrong. Mhhutchins 01:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Look at the reviews on Amazon, one of which credits Beinart. Mhhutchins 01:41, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

While the review in Amazon says the book "is by Bienart", that same review says "The book was edited by freelance editor, Robyn Flemming." Yes, Bienart published the pub and may have chosen the artwork, but Flemming is apparently given as the editor. The other sources you cited are reviews, and obviously enchanted by Bienart's work, but I think Amazon is a much more authoritative source. When I looked for the book on, nothing comes up with Bienart as the author or as a keyword, but a bunch of copies come up with Flemming as the author. Bob 03:41, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
We won't know until we know who's credited on the title page. And the OCLC record, which as a rule only credits from the title page, doesn't even mention Flemming. There's still the problem of the spelling of "Bienart"s name. At least that should be corrected. Mhhutchins 03:54, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

James Bama

The information from this record sourced from Amazon has conflicts with the OCLC record, which gives the date as 2006 and indicates an ISBN-10. Any Amazon listing that gives January 1 as the publication date should be suspect. It's their default for unknown publication dates.

Also, the content title records should be disambiguated. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:04, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Changed ISBN and date, added disambiguation. Bob 04:17, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
One last thing I forgot to mention: you forgot to remove the characters between the dots in the URL linking to the cover image on Amazon. I'll do that for you. Mhhutchins 06:08, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
Michael, the cover art for this pub does not appear to be in Bama's list of covers. The book is listed, but the cover isn't. What's going on? Bob 19:51, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Breath of God

Are you certain that this record should be varianted to this record? The artist credit doesn't match. Mhhutchins 04:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

The artworks definitely match. I've asked the verifier if he can confirm the artist, but he verified as a transient. It sure looks like Manchess art to me, but for now it seems reasonable to variant the two and see if the right answer can be worked out. Bob 04:12, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Use of #

I've been noticing recently with the updating of the Spectrum series that you've been entering a space between # and the number in titles. Is that evident in stated title as published or just a personal preference. (A search has shown you've verified other records that use the same entry quirk.) I've never seen it done that way, always seeing the # butt against the following digit, or at least, I haven't noticed it up until now. Mhhutchins 19:14, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

It started when the space was evident, but I continued it in virtually all cases because it seems to be clearer to me. I don't feel really strongly about it, but will continue that way unless there is some objection. Bob 19:20, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
For one thing, it screws up searches. If 99% of users don't expect that there's a space, they're not going to bother doing another search. Also, and this is strictly personal, it's aesthetically unpleasant to look at. :) Is there any particular reason to continue adding the space, especially if it's not present in the title as given in the publication? (This is similar to the situation with the double spaces after colons which continued to plague update submissions until Ahasuerus wrote a script recently that removed them from all database title records, and automatically removes them in new submissions.) Mhhutchins 20:07, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate appearance of a poem in Robert E. Howard: Selected Poems

Can you check this publication to see if the same poem, Destiny ("What is there real, my girl. . . "), appears twice in the publication on pages 62 and 232. (You won't see them displayed in the record, because the software can't handle two identical works published in the same publication.) This situation is repeated in the paperback edition. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 03:01, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Good eye, Michael. Yes, the same poem appears twice, although the first is labelled "Destiny (2)" and the second "Destiny (1)" by the editor. It is likely that the one on p. 262 was meant to be the poem that starts "I think I was born to pass at dawn…", which is named in other pubs as "Destiny 1", but that the editor made a mistake and used "Destiny 2" a second time. That illustrates why I prefer to use the first line to disambiguate Howard's poems with the same title instead of sticking an arbitrary number on them like some editors have done. And I don't understand why they both don't appear in the record. The Spectrum pubs have duplicate illustrations, and they all seem to show up in the record. Bob 18:49, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Not if they've been merged as a single title record. They've probably been disambiguated to avoid the merging of the title records.
As I said above, the software can't display two appearances of the same work within the same publication if they've been merged into one title record. You can enter them, but both can't be displayed. I suppose there's a good reason why it was designed this way. You might want to ask Ahasuerus. He should be able to explain better than I.
If they're differently titled on their respective title pages, one would be a variant of the other, and then both would be displayed. If they're identically titled (and merged as one title record), your only option is to do what is done in this record where the same story was (accidentally?) published twice in the publication. Look at the last bulleted note where I explain its second appearance. You can do that in the case of this poem (if they're identically titled.) Mhhutchins 19:30, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
I added that note to the records. Nice fix. Bob 19:59, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

Jeffrey (or Jeffery) Scott (1019)?

Is "1019" really part of this guy's name? Also, there are two different spellings of the first name: here and here. Mhhutchins 16:24, 31 January 2014 (UTC)

That is indeed how it appears, both under the illustration and in the index. Bob 18:35, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Different spellings as well? If so, you should determine the correct one and make the other into a pseudonym. (It appears to be "Jeffery" based on the spelling on this website. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:33, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
The spellings are indeed different in the two pubs (it appears twice in "15"). I'll variant it when I go through the entries for that pub. Bob 20:05, 31 January 2014 (UTC)
Glad this was here. Nipped THAT question in the bud. I added the pseudonym relationship. But, while approving the variants, I noticed: Portrait of theRed Queen. Should there be a space in there? Figured I should ask instead of presuming. I'll go do it if it belongs, since now two titles will need to be changed. Thanks. --MartyD 15:51, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, it does. I didn't put the space in because I wasn't sure I could until the variant was approved. I really haven't gotten that far in my review of this pub's contents -- I'm sure there are other misspellings/errors, and I'll work my way through later today or tomorrow. Bob 18:58, 1 February 2014 (UTC)


This record for a CHAPTERBOOK was created without a SHORTFICTION content record. Also, according to the OCLC record, it should have an ISBN-13, not the ISBN-10 which was used to create the record. Please update it when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 10:05, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael. Done. Bob 15:40, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Mark Anthony Kraft

Is the editor of this issue correctly attributed in the record? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:12, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Stupid typo. Fixed. Bob 21:06, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

"Volunteers of Venus"

Your note in this record says that this was "Chapter 8 of and 18" from the "Cosmos" serial. I think the "and" is probably a typo. It appeared in the original fanzine publication as Chapter 8 of 18 chapters. Mhhutchins 20:21, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Should be "an", not "and". Fixed. Bob 21:07, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

OAK Leaves #9

Is the piece on page 28 of this publication an essay? Also there appears to be a typo in the title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:36, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Because it's two blurbs about the book, I consider it an essay. And that is the way the content is titled, no typo. I'll explain in a note on the item when I get to it, now that it's entered in the db. Bob 21:10, 3 February 2014 (UTC)
Blurbs really aren't supposed to be entered as content records. Wouldn't a mention in the note field be sufficient? Especially since the pieces are uncredited and won't likely be searched by any user in this universe or any future or parallel one? :) Heaven help us if anyone sees this record and thinks he ought to start entering every blurb on every book in his collection. Mhhutchins 03:09, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
O.K., done. Bob 19:24, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Dating of the Mori interiorart pieces

Did you intend that the parent records for these illustrations (crediting to "Roger B. Morrison") in this publication be given the 1971 date instead of their original 1930 publication date? Ordinarily the parent record not only has the date of the canonical author (or artist) but also has the original publication date. Mhhutchins 02:52, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I fixed that when I went through the pub with those illustrations. Bob 19:25, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
You fixed the dates of the variant records (credited to "Mori") when you updated the pub. But you dated the parent records as 1971. Check out the parent records for each of the four illustrations. Mhhutchins 20:32, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
O.K., fixed those too. Bob 20:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Ora Rozar

Notes in title records should be specific to the titles. Any data about the author should be given in the Bio or Biblio page linked from their author summary page (depending upon what type of data it is). Noting that Rozar is Kline's daughter in each of her title records is both redundant and not title-specific data. Mhhutchins 02:56, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Fixed, I hope. Bob 19:34, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes. The bio page looks good. Mhhutchins 20:40, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Kline's The Swordsman of Mars

The publication of selected chapters from this novel should not be typed as SERIAL. They are unlengthed SHORTFICTION excerpts. SERIAL implies that the publisher's intention is to presenting a novel-length work either in one issue or successive parts over a number of issues. That doesn't seem to be the intention in these cases. Mhhutchins 03:01, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Bob 19:37, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Spectrum 14

Is the piece on page 97 of this publication shortfiction? Mhhutchins 03:06, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Bob 19:27, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I have a problem with Amra, Vol. 2, #63 here. Reviewer of REH's Almuric should be "Val D. Conder," not "Val D. Condor," on pp. 19-20 Lee 00:41, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I have a problem with Amra, Vol. 2, #63 here. The reviewer of REH's The Incredible Adventures of Dennis Dorgan on p. 18 should be "Val D. Conder," not "Val D. Condor." Lee 00:46, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Hey, Lee. Fixed. Thank you for spotting this. In future, if you spot such errors in my contributions, please feel free to make the correction yourself and just notify me that you have done so. I trust your judgement. Bob 00:58, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Changed title of Graveyard Rats and Others from "Graveyard Rat and Others" to "Graveyard Rats and Others" for all printings. Couldn't change the yellow-coded titles, though. Lee 20:10, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I accepted the changes. These messages to Bob have been incorrectly entered onto his talk page. Click on the + tab to start a new topic instead of editing the last message (or the page.) Enter the subject in the proper field and then the message in the box underneath. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:23, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Linking an Amazon sales page to a title record...

...shouldn't be done. The webpage field of a title record should be used to link to one whose purpose is something other than to sell the product. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:27, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I wondered. Thanks.Bob 21:29, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Removing extra characters from an Amazon URL

The image linked from Amazon to this record is the smaller one. (Click on it.) If you remove the characters between the two dots of the URL, you'll get a larger image. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:05, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

I keep thinking I've removed the characters between the dots, but find that I didn't get them all. Frustrating. Fixed. Bob 22:08, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Changed the note Sword & Fantasy #9 review to Steven T. Riley's review of Robert E. Weinberg's Robert E. Howard Fantasy Biblio that says it is actually not in Return to Wonder #8, as Sword & Fantasy #8 states. I added that it is actually in Return to Wonder #7, Vol. 2, #1, Nov./Dec., 1969, pp. 16-17, which I have, and can provide a scan of, since it's not in isfdb. Lee 16:46, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Tried to correct Boxing Stories review by Kahan to change "Jerffrey Kahan" to "Jeffrey Kahan," but was not allowed to do so because it would result in a duplicate entry. Lee 17:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Lee, I hope you will add Return to Wonder #7 to the database. I've been looking for that pub for years, but have never been able to find it. Also, please note the last item under your last message to me (above). When you add to someone's User talk, hit the "+" tab to the right of the "edit" tab, which will give you a place to put a new heading and then enter your comment. This creates a new comment rather than adding to an old one. Please don't hesitate to add new publications -- it's kind of trial and error,although you should first review the new pub help screen. Nobody expects perfection! Bob 17:14, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
To correct the spelling of Kahan's name, you click on the review, then edit the title, deleting the extra "r" in the author's name. I took care of this one. Bob 17:18, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Changed note Sword & Fantasy #9 review to add that the incorrect reference Return to Wonder #8 should be Return to Wonder #7. Lee 17:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Cover for Spectrum #17

Hello, Bob. I rejected your update for Spectrum #17. The amazon image would have been replaced with the image of Spectrum #18, and I don't think that's what you intended. Christian Stonecreek 19:56, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Christian. I'm really getting senile, I guess. Resubmitted. Bob 20:01, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
Things like that happen to everyone of us! I did worse than this in too many cases. Stonecreek 08:34, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Fantastic, January-February 1954 - Desert Crossing

I'm holding your submission to make "Desert Crossing" a variant of the cover of Fantastic, January-February 1954. I notice that the artists for both each work are different and there isn't a pseudonym relationship between the two. If Gurney is a pseudonym of Kramer, we should build that relationship and make variants of all the titles, unless this is a misprint in the interior art. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:29, 6 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow, I don't know how I did that one! There is no relationship between those two. "Desert Crossing" is a variant of "Cover: Dinotopia: Journey to Chandra". I've cancelled the first submission and resubmitted. I really don't know how that error occurred.

More Corrections to Sword & Fantasy #9

At Sword & Fantasy #9 review of Conan Reader I changed the note to say it was reprinted from Science Fiction Times #461 instead of #459, which is wrongly stated in S & T #9. Verified from an eBay ad. Lee 16:49, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

At Sword & Fantasy #9 review of Etchings in Ivory changed note to say the review was actually reprinted from Science Fiction Times #460, not #462 as stated in S & F #9. I have #460 & #462. Lee 16:57, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

At Sword & Fantasy #9 review of Red Shadows changed the note to say it was reprinted from Science Fiction Times #461, not #459 as stated in S & T #9. Verified from an eBay ad. Lee 17:05, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Correction to REH's Sentiment

In Sentiment changed "Rinside Tales" to "Ringside Tales." Lee 21:03, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Etchings in Ivory Review

Would you please confirm that this review in your verified Sword & Fantasy, #9 September 2008 is truly for the short story (as currently listed) and not the collection (of the same name)? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:11, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

An interesting find! The "short story" is not a short story, but the same series of prose poems found in the collections. I changed all of the reviews referred to the "short story" to the collections and variented the "short story" itself to the same collections. Bob 16:07, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
You are changing content that is verified by multiply verifiers. You need to notify them. -- JLaTondre (talk) 20:34, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Done. Bob 20:52, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
One question about the proems. In my edition of "The Book of Robert E. Howard" it starts with a short poem beginning with "Let no man read here who lives only in the world about him." Could this be the same as the one titled"Proem in your collection? Thanks for checking, --Willem H. 19:48, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Duane O. Myers's "Bloodwalk"

One of you held submissions would turn "Bloodwalk", an INTERIORART title by Duane O. Myers, into a variant of "Scipio", a story by Daniel Hood. I assume it was a typo in the record number -- could you please double-check? TIA! Ahasuerus 02:57, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

This is the second time recently that I've pulled a seemingly silly variant. The parent should have been this; I've cancelled the original submission and resubmitted. Sorry! Bob 14:48, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
I've rejected another identical sub. Hauck 15:27, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Another stupid mistake. I've submitted a revision with the cover artist identified for the pub, and when approved, I'll do the variant correctly. Damn! Bob 17:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

The Horror Stories of Robert E. Howard

The other submission that I currently have on hold would merge the following two cover art records -- record 1485012 and record 1485997 -- for The Horror Stories of Robert E. Howard. Could you please clarify your intent? Is it that one of the images represents the dust jacket and the other one the "naked" version of the book? Ahasuerus 03:02, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

At least this one makes sense. I cancelled the submission and submitted a merge for the correct pair of covers. Not sure how I made this mistake, but at least it was reasonable. Bob 14:36, 9 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for checking! Ahasuerus 16:53, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

E. Hoffmann Price on Robert E. Howard

I’ve discovered a good bit of confusion between the different versions of E. Hoffmann Price’s reminiscences of Robert E. Howard. He published five different versions, some of which are extracts from others. Chronologically, they are: (1) “Book of the Dead, Chapter 2: Robert Ervin Howard” in The Ghost #3 (W. Paul Cook, May, 1945), pp. 38-54; (2) section “Robert E. Howard” from this, which was reprinted as “A Memory of R. E. Howard” in Skull-Face and Others (Arkham House, 1946), pp. xvii-xxv & in Skull-Face Omnibus (Neville Spearman, 1974), pp. xvii-xxv & in The Last Celt: A Bio-Bibliography of Robert Ervin Howard (ed. Glenn Lord; Donald M. Grant, 1976), pp. 81-92 & in Skull-Face Omnibus, Vol. 1: Skull-Face and Others (Panther, 1976), pp. 18-31; (3) a different “Robert E. Howard” essay, published in Diablerie #4 (ed. Willie Watson; May, 1944) & reprinted in The Howard Collector #1 (Glenn Lord, summer 1961), pp. 7-13 & in The Howard Collector (ed. Glenn Lord; Ace Books, 1979), pp. 191-195 & in West is West & Others (ed. Rob Roehm & Alex Runions, Lulu, 2006), pp. 176-180; (4) the essay “Long Ago,” published in Amra, Vol. 2, #63 (Apr., 1975), pp. 5-8; and (5) the latter was expanded into “Robert Ervin Howard, January 22, 1906-June 11, 1936” = Chap. IV of The Book of the Dead: Friends of Yesteryear: Fictioneers & Others (Memories of the Pulp Fiction Era) (Arkham House 2001), pp. 70-93. The consequences to isfdb would be: (a) in A Memory of Robert E. Howard #1, the material about “Ghost” should be deleted, with the remaining matter about The Book of the Dead being put under the title (5) above; (b) The Ghost, May 1945 would have to be retitled (2) above, since The Ghost is the fanzine, not Price’s essay, and the rest about West is West has to put under the new title (3) above; and (c) A Memory of Robert E. Howard #2 would have to be retitled as (2) above. Do you agree? Lee 23:10, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Wow! Quite a mess. I have contacted the person who made the essay in (5) a variant of "A Memory of Robert E. Howard" to correct that mistake. I suggested he add a note to the effect that this essay was an expansion of the Amra essay. This will leave the offending variant without content. I added a note to the essay "A Memory of R.E. Howard" to the effect that it was part of The Ghost #3 essay. I notice that the essay "A Memory of R. E. Howard" does not include the essay that appears in Skull-Face Omnibus, Vol. 1; that publication shows the title as "A Memory of Robert E. Howard". I do not have that publication, but I'm sure you do. If this is indeed the same essay, and if the title is correct in Skull-Face Omnibus, Vol. 1, then you should make that essay a variant of "A Memory of R. E. Howard". If the title is really the same (A Memory of R. E. Howard"), then you should merge that essay with the other of the same title. You can go ahead and retitle the West Is West & Others essay and put in the notes that this essay was taken from The Ghost. Since I was the verifier for the W&W pubs, there is noone else to notify. And yes, retitle the second "A Memory of Robert E. Howard" as "Robert Ervin Howard" as well. Bob 02:27, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I did everything you asked. Skull-Face Omnibus, Vol. 1 has "A Memory of R. E. Howard." "A Memory of Robert E. Howard" doesn't actually exist anywhere. I did have to change your notes to "A Memory of R. E. Howard." I'm going to add a record for Ghost #3. By the way, I did add Return to Wonder #7. Lee 22:31, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Supernova and The Year's Best SF 23 covers

If the Supernova cover came first, and The Year's Best SF essentially reprints it, do you think it would make more sense to do the variant the other way (have Supernova's be the parent)? --MartyD 03:51, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I thought about that. I decided to make "The Year's Best SF" as the parent even though it was 9 months later for two reasons: there were multiple copies of the later one and they were more widely available because they were in English. But I have no objection to going the other direction if it's important to use the older copy as the parent. I'll submit the reorder, and you can reject the one you choose! Bob 18:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)


I changed the title of the map in this record from "Map (The Crippled God)" to "The Crippled God (map)". Mhhutchins 05:21, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

And the same thing in the map in this record. Mhhutchins 05:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Michael. Bob 18:05, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Centipede Press edition of The Anubis Gates

I accepted a submission to add an ISBN to this record based on the editor's statement that it appears in their copy. Can you confirm the number appears in your copy? Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:49, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Glad someone found it; I had to look through the book twice to find it, even after this note. It's there. Bob 18:12, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Archiving your talk page

Looks like you've got more than enough messages to require that they be archived. Thanks. Mhhutchins 05:50, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. I've just forgotten how to do it. Bob 18:13, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
No problem. I'll do it for you, keeping the same pattern as before (three month increments.) Mhhutchins 20:55, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Tree-Ring Circus

A book containing a 32 page illustrated story is obviously not a novel, and should have been created as a CHAPTERBOOK with a SHORTFICTION content record. Also, the publisher is Harcourt, as the "Look Inside" of your source clearly shows, corroborated by the OCLC record. (NEVER rely on Amazon's listing to give the correct publisher name and page count.) I also added a content record for the INTERIORART. Mhhutchins 06:00, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Couldn't agree more, Michael. I did catch the CHAPTERBOOK thing with later entries; I'm just slow sometimes. Thanks for the corrections. Bob 18:15, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

I'm Not Afraid of This Haunted House

You failed to add the requisite SHORTFICTION content record for this CHAPTERBOOK. I also created a content record for the INTERIORART and added brackets to the page count since the OCLC states the book is not paginated. Mhhutchins 06:59, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Even when I catch on the the CHAPTERBOOK, I screw it up. Thanks. Bob 18:16, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

The Robert E. Howard Foundation Newsletter, Fall 2008

A quick question about The Robert E. Howard Foundation Newsletter, Fall 2008. Does the fragment on page 20 really start with ". ; .the honor of Beffum" or is it supposed to be ". . .the honor of Beffum"? Thanks for checking! Ahasuerus 14:39, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. Slippery fingers. Thank you! Bob 18:18, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

"I've done my part in writing it...")

Similarly, could you please double check if there is a parenthesis at the end of "I've done my part in writing it...")? TIA! Ahasuerus 14:45, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks once again. I think I got into the habit of adding the closed parens after a quotation mark when entering content to that pub. Bob 18:20, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Sword & Fantasy #7

When you get a chance, please join the discussion here. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:19, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate E. Hoffmann Price essays

I'm having a problem deleting one of two duplicate E. Hoffmann Price essays, namely Robert Ervin Howard #1 and Robert Ervin Howard #2. When I try to delete #2, I'm told I can't because it is still linked to the four West is West & Others books, even though the same books are also linked to #1. Lee 23:03, 11 February 2014 (UTC)

You can not delete a title record which is included in a publication. You should go to the publication record which you want to update and use the "Remove Titles from This Pub" function. If the record has been primary verified, you must discuss it with the primary verifier first.
Looking at this publication record, it appears that there are two identically titled records (pages 139 and 176). If they are identically titled, yet entirely different works, one of them must be disambiguated. Mhhutchins 23:15, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Each of you simultaneously updated this record with different notes:
  1. Begins with, "Gentlemen, this is the hand. . .". It ends with the same two paragraphs found in A Memory of R. E. Howard by E. Hoffmann Price, but is otherwise quite different.
  2. This originally appeared in Diablerie #4, V1n4, May 1944 by Willie Watson. This is not to be confused with the identically titled "Robert Ervin Howard," which was a section from Price's essay in The Ghost #3 and which was retitled "A Memory of R. E. Howard" in later reprintings.
I accepted the first submission, and am holding the second one. Please reconcile the notes, or let me know if I should accept the second submission. Mhhutchins 23:22, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
Damn it, Michael, quit stepping on my submission! Bob 23:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
I hope you're being facetious here, as it was Lee who tried to step on your submission. I just happened to stop it before another moderator came along and accepted it. Mhhutchins 07:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
What I meant here was that I tried to reply to Lee's comment, I could not because you were adding to it. I went away and came back, and the same thing happened again -- you were adding again! So I had to leave and come back a third time before I could reply! Bob 18:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
There are two essays with that title in West Is West & Others. #2 is a copy of the essay from The Ghost #3 and #1 is the essay from The Howard Collector #1. The problem seems to be that the notes in #2 really belong in #1. And #2 should be merged with the Ghost article, which I believe has an incorrect title. That title can be corrected when the merge is made by selecting "Robert Ervin Howard" as the title, and keeping the "Book of the Dead" and "2" given in the Ghost entry. As Michael suggests, we should disambiguate the two titles; I suggest making #2 "Robert Ervin Howard [1]" since it was the first written, and #1 "Robert Ervin Howard [2]". Do not "Remove Titles from This Pub". Both merges are correct. Bob 23:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
I only suggested using the "Remove" function because Lee tried to delete a title record which appeared in another editor's primary verified publication record. Removing it from another publication would not have affected yours. Deleting it would have. Mhhutchins 07:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
As to the notes, the attribution to Diablerie #4 is correct. I don't like the second sentence; "Robert Ervin Howard" was the title of the entire Price essay in The Ghost, which included the section titled "Robert E. Howard", later redacted and reprinted as "A Memory of R. E. Howard". Do you agree, Lee? Bob 23:31, 11 February 2014 (UTC)
I've rejected the submission and will wait for one with a note that is acceptable to you both. Mhhutchins 07:34, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I agree I should have said that the name of the section is "Robert E. Howard." Otherwise, though, my note to "A Memory of R. E. Howard" is correct, so, no, my note shouldn't be changed from #2 to #1. #2 really needs to be corrected to "The Book of the Dead, Chapter 2: Robert Ervin Howard," or, as you say, we're stuck with the current situation of having two sections in West is West & Others with the same title "Robert Ervin Howard" (the first of which I did overlook, leading me to try to delete one of them), a situation I think we should try to avoid. Lee 17:12, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Lee, we cannot change the name of an item that appears in the publication. We can, however, add numbers to disambiguate the names when two titles are identical, and we can varient either or both to other copies of the same item which may have different titles. Look at what you called Robert Ervin Howard #1. You can see by the items merged with it that this is the essay that appeared in The Howard Collector. Now consider the other entry, the one you labelled Robert Ervin Howard #2. The note there applies to the essay in The Howard Collector, but the essay is the material from The Ghost. So we need to move the information in the note from the latter, and add it to the notes already in the former.
Then we disambiguate the two essays in West Is West & Others. We can leave the first one (p. 139) unchanged, and label the second one (p. 176) as "Robert Ervin Howard [2]".
Now it becomes more complex. The entry for The Ghost #3 has the name of the Price essay incorrect ("Robert E. Howard" instead of "Robert Ervin Howard"), and it incorrectly merges it with the essay in Book of the Dead: Friends of Yesteryear: Fictioneers and Others. Please notice how it handles "The Book of the Dead" and "Chapter 2", which is the best way to do that. So we need to submit changes to The Ghost essay to correct the name of the essay and to unmerge the Book of the Dead: Friends of Yesteryear: Fictioneers and Others from that title. Then we should merge the p. 139 essay in West Is West & Others with The Ghost essay. We can add notes to the merged title explaining that this essay contains the section "Robert E. Howard" which was later redacted by August Derleth and reprinted under that title.
I wish you would review The Ghost #3 entry itself, and correct any errors there. You should also verify that fanzine. I notice you haven't verified other items, and you should get in the habit of doing so after you review the entries. It shows that the information has been reviewed by someone who owns the pub, and that you believe the information is correct. It's easy to do -- just go to the end of the Editing Tool menu on the left and click on "Verify This Pub". Then all you have to do is hit the Primary Verify button (center column), or if the pub is already verified, the second, third, fourth or fifth button, whichever is the highest unused button, then submit. Bob 18:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

But the title of the Ghost #3 reprint in West is West & Others, p. 139 is in fact "The Book of the Dead, Chapter 2: Robert Ervin Howard," as it is in The Ghost #3 itself, so it really does need changing. And if we make that change, we don't need two "Robert Ervin Howard"'s; the second one can stay unchanged. I agree with everything else you say. I had volunteered to do The Ghost #3, so I'll do that now, and will verify both it and Return to Wonder #7. Let me know if you want me to do any of the rest. Lee 20:19, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

The problem that will cause is that the title then becomes different from the way the title is constructed in The Ghost #3. I have constructed the essay title in West Is West & Others as it is given in The Ghost, that is with "The Book of the Dead" as the Series and "2" as the "Series Num". I'll wait to make further changes for your input on The Ghose #3. Bob 20:43, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
There are two items in this series, both numbered "2". Mhhutchins 21:00, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
That's because the one from The Ghost #3 is misnamed (see 5 paragraphs up). Rtrace entered the content as it was given in a secondary source, which was in error. The essay from The Ghost #3 is reprinted in West Is West & Others, a pub I have. "Robert E. Howard" is one of 10 sections of the essay "Robert Ervin Howard". Bob 21:38, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Giancola's "Mystic and Rider"

Are you sure that you want to variant this interiorart record by Giancola with this cover art record by Douglas Klauba? Mhhutchins 07:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

I've cancelled the submission. I don't know how I did this one; Giancola did do the cover for Mystic and Rider, but the illustration in Spectrum 13 is not that cover. Bob 15:10, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Etchings in Ivory

I can't accept the submission to change the type of this record from POEM to COLLECTION. It is contained in a COLLECTION-typed record already, and the system plays havoc with a container record containing another container record. Looking at the first of the two publications which contain this title, it appears this may be a group name for a series of poems, and not an actual poem. The second publication seems to only have the group name and not the individual poems. The best way to handle this is to enter each poem into a series of that name, and removing the current title record entirely from each record. You'll have to discuss it with the other verifiers (Willem H and Don Erikson) and reconcile the way the poems are handled in each publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:23, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Willem is working on this, I believe. He left a note with Don Erikson asking if Don wanted him to put the individual poems in the pb. I had wanted to merge the name "Etchings in Ivory" with the poetry collections of that name. It bothered me as well that "Etchings in Ivory" was labelled as a POEM. Bob 21:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
The poem should probably be titled "untitled (Etchings in Ivory)" and varianted to Proem. I hadn't decided yesterday, and was awaiting Don Erikson's and Bob's response. The type should not be changed. Thanks Michael for noticing this. --Willem H. 21:44, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Return to Wonder #8

This record should have been entered as either FANZINE or MAGAZINE (I'll let you toss the coin.) NONFICTION is reserved for a non-periodical book publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:33, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Agreed. Done. Bob 23:42, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Hardcover Weird Tales

I've added the letters from folks who are already in the database to the trade editions of the Spring/Fall 1989 and Winter 1989/1990 issues of Weird Tales. You may want to add the same content to your hardcover editions ([1] & [2]). There are enough new titles, that you may find it easier to drop all the contents from yours and then re-import the entire issue. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:24, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Ron. I just imported your contents; apparently, you don't need to first omit the old contents, only the unduplicated contents are imported now. The software keeps improving! Bob 15:05, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Lin Carter's Death-Song of Conan the Cimmerian

You verified this pub which contains Death Song of Conan the Cimmerian and this pub which contains Death-Song of Conan the Cimmerian. Should these be variants? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:20, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

No, they should be merged. The hyphenated version is correct for both. Done. Thank you for finding this one. Bob 00:40, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Darwin's Wink

I couldn't find anything that said there were any spec-fic elements in this work. Do you have any further information on it? Mhhutchins 22:13, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

No. I thought that it did, based on the description. I suppose it could be just science: "the novel's governing idiom of biology, instinct and the odd "stochastic factor, or... Darwin's wink": the nonsensical gap in biological progress that throws predictability off course". But I have to admit I'm not sure. Bob 22:19, 14 February 2014 (UTC)
Fiction about science is tricky. I would hate to accept a publication record into the database without more evidence of its eligibility. I'll reject the submission. Mhhutchins 23:28, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

Art variant error

Hi Bob. I have on hold a submission that would make Youll interiorart Scattered Suns a variant of McKean coverart Sleeping in Flame. I'm guessing one or the other of the pair is not what you intended? --MartyD 01:57, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I swear I don't know how these happen! Correct. I pulled the submission and submitted a new one. Bob 14:32, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

I added the Canadian price to your verified

I added the Canadian price to your verified [3].Don Erikson 19:27, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Otis Adelbert Kline's Letters to Robert E. & Dr. I. M. Howard

Is this and this the same? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:05, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Nope! I added a note to the first dating the letters, as was already done for the second. Bob 23:04, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Richard Baker's Farthest Reach

I accepted the submission to add a record for this in the database before I realized that an identical record already exists. I've deleted the one you added. Mhhutchins 01:53, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Same situation with this record, but this time I searched and easily found it. I'm not sure why you weren't able to find it. I've rejected the submission. Mhhutchins 02:01, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

I missed the first because I searched for "The Farthest Reach" and the second because I searched for "Spell Fire". Both were the titles used in Spectrum. I used the same search words for Amazon; admittedly, I maybe should have checked back when the titles on Amazon came up without "The" and with Spellfire as a single word. Glad you caught them. I felt it was kind of strange that they apparently were missing from the data base. Bob 02:15, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Hidden Tales of Eastern Europe

I accepted Hidden Tales of Eastern Europe but changed it from COLLECTION to ANTHOLOGY. COLLECTION is for a pub containing works by the same author(s), ANTHOLOGY for one containing works by different authors. --MartyD 02:51, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Marty. I actually started to put the book in as a novel! Bob 15:52, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

SFBC ed. of Pratchett's Moving Pictures

Does this book have a unique SFBC-assigned ISBN, or does it perhaps retain the ISBN from the retail edition? Or is there no ISBN at all? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:45, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

No ISBN at all, Michael. Bob 16:40, 17 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Bob. I'm trying to determine when the SFBC started to assign their own ISBNs to original publications, and when they started to retain the ISBNs from the retail editions. Mhhutchins 18:22, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Gummitch and Friends

Added notes & links to [Gummitch and Friends].SFJuggler 23:57, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

How it happens...

You wondered why the title field of this cover art record is different from the publication record's title field. When a new publication is entered into the database, three records are automatically created (unless it includes contents in which case a new title record is created for each content record):

  1. A publication record
  2. A title record (or an editor record if the pub is typed as magazine or fanzine)
  3. A cover art record (if the field is entered in the original submission)

If the title is incorrectly given in the original submission, that same error will flow over to the other two records, since each are given the same title as first provided in the original submission's title field.

That's what happened in this case. The editor probably noticed the error in the publication, and corrected the publication record and the title record, but failed to realize that the same error existed in the cover art record. Each record is automatically created, but not automatically corrected. The corrections to each record must be done manually. Mhhutchins 20:26, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, very interesting. Thanks, Michael! Bob 20:31, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Deep Wizardry

Deep Wizardry is already in the database and this record should have been entered under that title. I'll merge the two. I'll also correct the record by changing the ISBN to the ISBN-13, and remove the "publication series". Young Wizards is a title series. Mhhutchins 21:22, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

The Uninvited

I corrected the cover artist of this record (based on the cover image) from "John Foster" to "Jon Foster". I also changed the format from "pb" to "tp". Your source gives the dimensions as 8.9 inches making it a trade paperback. Mhhutchins 22:17, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Snow Monster Mystery

This was already in the database here. I didn't see it until after I'd accepted your submission to add it again. If you had searched by title, author, or ISBN it would have come up. The artist is credited as John Steven Gurney. Mhhutchins 00:17, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I searched Gurney's list, but not back as far as 1999; it's very unusual for illustrations that old to be in Spectrum. I thought I had searched the title as well (my normal practice), but obviously must have mistyped the name. Sorry. Bob 00:24, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

The Postman Always Brings Mice

Your source (Amazon) and OCLC give the authors of this novel as just Holm and Hamel. I've corrected the publication record. Mhhutchins 00:23, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, the full names were on the copyright page. Should they be varianted in? Bob 00:25, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
The full names don't exist in the database. It's possible that these credited names may turn out to be the canonical names. Let's wait to see if they publish anything under their full names. Mhhutchins 01:56, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Dragon and Thief

I accepted your varianting of this INTERIORART to this COVERART. However, as the date of the INTERIORART is before that of the COVERART, it raises a question. Looking at Dragon and Thief, the first publication's cover is credited to "John Foster", not "Jon Foster". As you are a primary verifier, can you double check the "John" vs "Jon" and see if this needs to be corrected or varianted? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:51, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

My mistake, it's Jon, not John. As for the dates, I can only assume the cover art is sold well before the book appears; I've noticed that the cover art is available on Amazon as early as 9 months before the book is to be published. Bob 00:08, 21 February 2014 (UTC)
The first COVERART predates the INTERIORART. The date thing simply keyed me to the existence of the separate record. Pub change accepted and records merged. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 01:23, 21 February 2014 (UTC)

"Flash Gorgon's Rocket Locomotive"

Re: the proposed change of this INTERIORART title from "Flash Forgon's Rocket Locomotive" to "Flash Gorgon's Rocket Locomotive", could you please confirm that the correct name is "Gorgon" rather than "Gordon"? TIA! Ahasuerus 04:39, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Blush! Thanks. Cancelled and resubmitted. Bob 14:50, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

"Let Loose This Holiday Season"

Could please double check that the name of the author of this INTERIOART work in your verified Spectrum 11: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art is spelled Tony DeTerlizzi rather than Tony DiTerlizzi? Ahasuerus 04:44, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Don't know how I missed that one. Thanks again. Fixed. Bob 14:53, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for checking! :-) Ahasuerus 20:55, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Le sceptre du hasard

I've approved your submission for this title but made some adjustements : title (spectre instead of septre), language (from English to french), regularization of the capitals (none in french except for first word and proper nouns) and merged with the other publications. Hauck 11:32, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Clearly I'm totally ignorant of French. I was a slave to the mistakes in Spectrum 10! Bob 14:54, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Moon Flights story

My MMPB copy of [this] has a story ("Hand to Hand") that isn't listed in the contents of the edition that you verified. Is it in yours, or is it an extra story? Jack Sjmathis 15:06, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for spotting this. I also changed a couple of "short fiction"s into "short story"s. Bob 21:11, 22 February 2014 (UTC)

Credit on "Under the Pyramids" in Necronomicon

Not hugely important, but if you have it easily at hand: In you verfied Necronimicon, is "Under the Pyramids" credited to Lovecraft exclusively? I am dealing with a different collection where it is credited to Lovecraft "with Harry Houdini", so I'm trying to separate the ones where credited to Lovecraft (or to Houdini) from the ones credited to both. Thanks. --MartyD 12:38, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Marty, there is no author credit associated with individual stories, either over the story or in the toc. However, the acknowledgements list the sources of the stories. It says, "'Under the Pyramids' originally published (as by Harry Houdini) under the title 'Imprisoned with the Pharaohs' in Weird Tales, May-July 1924." That magazine isn't in the data base, but Jaffery & Cook indicate that the story was credited solely to Harry Houdini; Houdini is also the credit given on the cover of that issue (from Weird Tales: Complete Pulp Magazine Cover Gallery 1923 - 1954 (270 issues) from Girasol). So it appears that crediting both is an error. Bob 14:30, 23 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that is consistent with all of the info. We have the canonical title as by Lovecraft and the original (and some reprints) as a variant as by Houdini. This other collection, though, uses the "with Harry Houdini", so there we need to record both (and then make that a variant of the canonical by Lovecraft alone). Thanks for checking for me. --MartyD 03:45, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

The Mystery of Edwin Drood (artist)

I have your submission on hold to change the title of the artwork 'The Mystery of Edwin Drood' to 'The Mystery of Edwin Drood (artist)'. Was this your intention? Christian Stonecreek 17:18, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Good grief, no. I cancelled the submission, and submitted one putting (artist) after Douglas Smith's name. Bob 17:38, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

TheCockatrice Boys

I didn't change it in case it's printed that way in the book, but perhaps there should be a space between the first two words of this title? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:06, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Your hesitation is perfectly understandable, since artists tend to use strange titles at times. However, in this case, there should be a space. Corrected. Bob 02:44, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Bran Mak Morn deletion

Your proposed deletion of this -- is it a duplicate of this? And, if so, would then this duplicate this and this duplicate this and likewise be candidates for deletion? Thanks. --MartyD 04:02, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes! Thanks, Marty. Deletions submitted, along with correction to scan of the first. Bob 14:36, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Interior art Lucifer: Nirvana

Hello, Bob! I rejected a submission to variant this to a novel by Holly Lisle. If I should be mistaken in assuming a heat-of-combat error, please re-submit. Christian Stonecreek 15:39, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. Should have been the cover. I'll submit again. Bob 15:42, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

Spectrum 7

Are you certain that the piece on page 7 of this publication is credited to Peter Garrison. He is the author of the book, the cover of which is credited to Don Maitz. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:53, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Also, is this credited to "Scanlon" or "Scanlan"? Mhhutchins 21:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

On the Maitz, you're right, my mistake. Fixed. The second is indeed attributed to "Scanlon"; apparently that's a pseudonym Scanlan has used elsewhere. The editors blew another author's name on that page, "Jenson" instead of "Jensen", twice. That error was picked up and noted in Spectrum 8, but the Scanlon one was not, so I assume it was the name used. Bob 22:14, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

Cover image for Bran Mak Morn

I see that it took several attempts to upload this file. Do you remember what problems you were experiencing? Perhaps I can help. Mhhutchins 04:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know what the problem was, Michael. I loaded the wrong cover originally. When I uploaded the correct cover, I did the usual, hit CTL+F5 to get the new image. The first time, I just exited, assuming that the new image would replace the old one. When that didn't happen, I uploaded the correct image again, and copied it into the pub. Still no change. Finally I removed the image from the pub entirely, then when that was approved, reloaded the correct image and inserted it into the pub. That time it worked. Bob 16:38, 2 March 2014 (UTC)
I saw that the first upload was of a different title, so I suspected that may have been the original problem. To clear your cache, most browsers only require you to hit F5 (without CTRL). I'm not sure if that's the reason why the older version wasn't removed from your cache. I'll delete the earlier versions then. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:06, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Robert E. Howard's Vulture's Sanctuary

You have verified publications containing Vulture's Sanctuary and Vultures' Sanctuary. Are these the same story? If so, please variant. If not, please add notes stating such. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 19:39, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Good eye! My mistake, all should be "Vultures'". Corrected. Bob 19:47, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Howard's Shadows of Dreams

I've expanded the notes to Howard's Shadows of Dreams. I also moved the end paper illustration from "ep", which indicates the unpaginated pages that follow pagination, to "fep", indicating the front end paper. One of the notes I added states that the illustration is repeated for the rear end paper. I also have 1 suggestion and a question. The suggestions is that the illustrations that have "vignette" in the title probably should not. I think the contents page is just trying to indicate that the illustration is not full page and that that "vignette" really isn't part of the title. My question is why the frontispiece, "Wither", which the book credits to Berry and Hale (and appears to be signed by them both), is varianted to be by Berry alone. Do you have some independent evidence that Hale didn't work on that illustration? If so, we should probably note that. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:06, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't know why there was a variant to the frontispiece. There is no illustration titled "Shadow of Dreams" that I can find. I removed the variant, and also eliminated "vignette", which I agree is not appropriate. I also added a note that a detail of the front cover illustration appears on the back cover. Bob 00:47, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
Actually, a variant is still required because of the non-canonical form of Berry's name. I've made it a variant again, but with both the artists names this time. Thanks and good catch on the back cover detail. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 05:49, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Cherryh's Ealdwood

I expanded the notes to C.J. Cherryh's Ealdwood. I also added the introduction and changed the artist credit from "David Cherry" to "David A. Cherry" as he is credited on the title page. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:37, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Howard's The Road of Azrael

I've expanded the notes to Howard's The Road of Azrael adding references to secondary sources. I also was able to get a copy count from Chalker/Owings. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:55, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Wizard[s] of the Grove

By any chance, should this be singular? Just double-checking. --MartyD 03:42, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

I understand, but it's plural as shown. The artists don't seem to always remember exact titles and the titles are sometimes a little off. Bob 14:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

"Crypt of Cthulhu", #23 (1984)

The original primary verifier of this publication is no longer active, so that task falls to you. The current contents list two art pieces by Rudolfo A. Ferranesi (with an "n"), who has no other items in our database. There is, however, a Rudolfo A. Ferraresi (with another "r") with two other pieces. Various online sources, e.g. "H. P. Lovecraft And His Legacy" list this artwork as by this second spelling. So could you check the actual spelling? If this is an error in entering data, it should be corrected; if not, it should be aliased. Thanks, Chavey 17:49, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Good detective work! You're absolutely correct, it should be Farraresi, as credited on the back cover. I've submitted the changes. Bob 21:04, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Callahan's artwork

I accepted this variant. But see this. Perhaps the interior art should go to this one, as should the Saloons cover, although perhaps whatever led you to match the interiorart to Saloons suggests something else? --MartyD 00:16, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

You're right, and I've submitted the changes. The variant I previously submitted was simply the first cover I found that matched the Spectrum illustration. Bob 00:23, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

Necessity's Child

Can you please double check the cover artist credit for Necessity's Child? Another editor has submitted an edit to change it to "David Mattingly" which the statement that is how it is credited on the back cover. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:39, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

He's correct. Approve the change. Bob 23:43, 6 March 2014 (UTC)

1977 Marchers of Valhalla

I expanded the notes for the 1977 edition of Howard's Marchers of Valhalla. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:20, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Conan Series

I'm going to convert the Donald M. Grant Conan title series to a publication series which will affect several of the books we both own. This is partially an experiment and I expect that we probably should be treating the Gnome Press series, the Berkley series and the Lancer/Ace series in the same manner. It looks like the Gollancz series is already listed as a publication series and those collections should have their titles moved up to the main title series. I think the Wandering Star/Del Rey series is probably OK since they span two publishers. Although, so do the Lancer/Ace books. Since you've verified so many of these let me know if you think this is a good approach. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

A few thoughts. I notice that the overall series is "Conan Universe" and under that a sub-series, "Conan". I suspect that the latter started out as the series for the Lancer/Ace paperbacks, but virtually everything under "Conan Universe" is now under "Conan" as well. That's a silly waste. It's hard to use the database when looking for Conan items because the series is so big. Personally, I would like to see "Conan Universe" eliminated, with "Conan" as the replacement series. Then have two sub-series, "Conan Stories" and "Conan Collections" which would include anthologies and omnibuses (omnibi?) as well. I agree that grouping pubs under publisher headings should be shifted to "Publisher Series". Consider Conan the Conqueror. It appears under the Gnome Press list only. The 9th book in the Lancer/Ace series is also there and not with the other Lancer/Ace books. The title is really a variant of The Hour of the Dragon, but isn't connected (except via the notes). So I think the step you took is a good first step; at a minimum, I would support doing the same with the other publisher series. I'd like to see more done, though, to better organize the "Conan Universe" series. Bob 18:51, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
Chiming in to point out that a publication series can span multiple publishers without doing violence to the underlying data. Ahasuerus 20:38, 8 March 2014 (UTC)
I noticed this discussion, after I'd added my two cents worth to Ron's talk page. I believe this does "violence" to the definition of publication series. In the past, the only time a publication series would include more than one publisher is if the new publisher takes over the series from the previous one. This series even renumbers some of the publications (since we are talking about publications and not titles.) Mhhutchins 16:31, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Oh, I see. Sorry, I didn't check the series in question, I was merely commenting on what the software can support. Ahasuerus 19:07, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I might add that Bob is talking about a title series while Ron is talking about a publication series. Oranges and apples. Ron's creation doesn't organize the Conan Universe title series. The reason why that parent series was created was to separate Howard's work from those who wrote stories in his "universe". That's a common rationale for creating "universe" series. Having a subseries each for stories and collections is redundant since the titles' types are already apparent just be looking at them. Mhhutchins 16:37, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Michael, you're too familiar with the database. I remember when I first encountered the Howard section how confusing it was to see the mixture of stories and collections. For most authors, that isn't important because not many of them have dozens of stories and collections with the same title. I don't have that problem now, but for a new or casual user, it's very confusing. Having publishers' series actually makes the distinction clearer in some respects, but I still like Ron's approach because there is a better mechanism for publishers' series. But there is no need for the "Conan" sub heading; surely, all of Howard's Conan stories are part of the Conan Universe and that is sufficient classification. And apples and oranges or not, improving the utility of the database may take both. Bob 17:08, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Maybe it's just me, but I find nothing confusing about this title series. There are three subseries: 1. The Conan works of Robert Howard, 2. The nonfiction collections by L. Sprague de Camp, 3. The Conan works by other authors. Of course "all of Howard's Conan stories are part of the Conan Universe" and the way this series is displayed makes that perfectly clear. (Or would you disagree?) And I repeat: the organizing of these titles into publication series do nothing to affect the way the Conan title series is displayed. Mhhutchins 20:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Bob, Michael raised a question on my talk page about the creation of the Lancer/Ace/Sphere pub series. Please feel free to chime in there if you have any thoughts you'd like to share. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:10, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Brittania's Fist --> Britannia's Fist

Just an FYI that I have changed the spelling of "Brittania's Fist" to "Britannia's Fist" throughout. Ahasuerus 18:19, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Another dumb mistake. Bob 18:23, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Wayne Barlow?

Is the artist credit in this record as stated in the publication? Mhhutchins 00:03, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

No, although it's suggested. I looked at the pub in the database, and the verified copy names Barlowe as the cover artist. Besides, that's the point of the book -- Barlowe draws fantasy characters. Bob 00:22, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I have no idea what you mean by "suggested". We record artist credit as stated, whether it's "Barlow" or "Barlowe". If the former, please create a variant record to the canonical name "Barlowe". If the latter, please correct the record. (I'm talking about the work as credited in Spectrum 4, not the credit of the book whose cover is reprinted in Spectrum 4.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:53, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I corrected the spelling before the last message. Bob 01:01, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Frank Frazetta catalog

We normally don't create a publication record for sales catalogs. If you believe an exception should be made in this case, please bring it up for discussion on a community page. (Probably would have been better to do this before going through the effort of creating the submission.) I'll hold your submission. Mhhutchins 17:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

I can understand how most catalogs would be left off. But this one has an LCCN, there are two editions, the illustrations are suitable for removal from the book and framing (since the art is one-sided) and while it's a catalog of sorts, it's really constructed as a book. This isn't like a auction house catalog with thumbnails of the artwork, it's every bit as much a book as the Betty Ballentine Frazetta books (actually, it's better quality). Incidentally, there is another "catalog" of Frazetta work, a hardcover book from the Alexander Gallery exhibition that should be in the database that was the finest Frazetta collection prior to the publication of Icon. I'll go to the discussion page, but I don't expect much discussion; few of the participants seem to be very interested in fantasy art. Bob 18:54, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Frazetta's Icon

Re this title record: It would be better to indicate the publication you're referring to in the notes, in anticipation of the work ever being reprinted. Title notes are not intended to be specific to a publication, but to the title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:36, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Well, Michael, the illustration is in the Frazetta "catalog" you put on hold; that "catalog's" cover is also to be varianted with another illustration in Spectrum 4. I was going to merge the "Tarzan and Bolgani" illustrations, which would make any note moot in any case. Alternatively, the note would use a "<a ref=" to refer to the the publication with the title. Now it's kind of hanging, I admit. Bob 19:00, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, Bob, there's no way of knowing what you were going to do. Why even add a note at all if you were going to variant the record later and make the note moot? In any case, the submission was accepted and so will any submission that makes any necessary changes. I still stand on my original statement that a note in a title record should not refer to "this publication". Mhhutchins 20:14, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Cesarini's and Hoffman's Robert E. Howard

Can you confirm that Hoffman is not credited with his middle initial on the title page of this publication? Also, you have this publication as "hc" but note that it is "perfect-bound, wraps" which I assume should be entered as "tp". It also has the same author credit. Both editions are duplicated in the database (see here), and they give different publication dates. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:08, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Although Hoffman has no middle initial on the cover, he does on the title page. I've added the initial and changed the hc to tp. Thanks, Michael. Bob 20:21, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
How about the dates? I'm not certain of the source of March 1987 on the other records, but the OCLC record gives the year as 1987. Do your copies indicate a publication date? Mhhutchins 21:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
I see where I got the 1986, from the Library of Congress Cataloging-in-Publication Data; note the LCCN is 85 as well. But down the copyright page it also says, "Published and copyright 1987...", so I changed the date to 1987. Bob 21:42, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I will delete the other two records which are now virtually identical. Mhhutchins 21:43, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Rickman / Hickman

Is "R"ickman correct on this, which you're varianting to a cover by "H"ickman? --MartyD 01:15, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Marty. My eyes are really getting old. Bob 04:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
I feel your pain. I just got my new glasses.... While we're on the topic of "R" vs. "H", might the same faulty eyes be the case here? --MartyD 11:08, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
How embarrassing. Yep, that one as well. Bob 17:09, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Paul Chadwick changed to Paul Chadwick (1902-1972) ...

... for Tarantula Bait. I did this after Paul Chadwick remarked that this story wasn't written by him.

Is there any indication of a possible prior publication of the story stated in the anthology? Christian Stonecreek 11:10, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Apparently, prior publications are listed only for stories where the copyright is still in force. I don't think I've ever seen an Acknowledgement list limited like this in another publication. But you must be correct with the Paul Chadwick you assigned, given that these are old pulp stories. Bob 14:16, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, I suspected something like that. But thanks for taking an extra look. Stonecreek 16:57, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

"The Chesley Awards (Spectrum 2)"

Is this record for a single collaborative work of art? Mhhutchins 16:44, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

No. Like the Chesley Awards in Spectrum III, there are five separate pieces of artwork, not titled and fairly small in size, basically thumbnails. There is also a list of other awards where the artworks are not shown.
I don't see the purpose of creating a single record for four works of art. And the fact they are untitled thumbnails (for works I suppose are shown larger somewhere later in the book), I can't see why a record should be created at all. As it is now, a casual user of the database would assume it's one work created in a group effort. Easy for authors, I suppose, but not so much for artists! Mhhutchins 20:42, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
No, they are not shown elsewhere in the book; the Chesley Awards really have nothing to do with Spectrum, except both involve artwork. I'll put in separate entries; some are variants of existing artwork. They may have value to anyone interested in the Chesley Awards; I would expect anyone who is interested in these awards to be aware that more than one artwork is involved. Bob 20:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I find it strange that a book that selects the best art of the year chooses to acknowledge the winners of the major award in the field with thumbnails. Oh well. An editorial prerogative, yes. But not cool. Mhhutchins 21:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Different judges, I suppose. In addition, the Chesley winners may not have been submitted to Spectrum. I presume the Chesley's don't require submission. They stopped acknowledging them at all after 3. Bob 21:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Question, Michael. The artworks in Spectrum 2 are each numbered between 1 and 230. Should I show these numbers? If so, how? Bob 18:55, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't see where you'd enter them, except in the publication's note field. I don't see much value in it though. Mhhutchins 20:42, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
I agree, but I'm concerned about Spectrum 1, where the art is also numbered, but there, none of the art is titled. Bob 20:58, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
If it's numbered to an index, then it's fine to title them as they are listed in the index. That's similar to what I had to do with this publication. None of the art was captioned, and all data was given in a separate index at the back of the book. (Those that are titled "untitled" were exactly titled that way in the index.) Mhhutchins 21:09, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, they don't refer to anything except that the description (artist's name, art director and client name) and artwork have the same number. Serious mistakes in the early editions. Bob 21:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)

Bollo or Bolo

Can you check the spelling of this title? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:57, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

One "l", of course. Fixed. Bob 18:58, 12 March 2014 (UTC)


Your last three submissions have had bad HTML in the Note field. You're dropping the "h" in "href", and then you're not naming the anchor and not closing it with </a>. I had to reject the submissions and then recreated them from the raw XML. Mhhutchins 21:17, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Michael. I think I've been doing it wrong all along. While I know I should have used "<a href=...">, I don't think I have ever known about ending with </a>. Bob 21:26, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

"Frank Frazetta" by Dr. David Winiewicz

Is the piece by Dr. David Winiewicz on page 16 of this publication INTERIORART or ESSAY? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 17:44, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

INTERIORART. It's a photo of Frank. Bob 18:55, 13 March 2014 (UTC)
Please add a note to the title record to indicate that. I can't see around giving it any other type, but calling it INTERIORART could be misleading to the average database user. Mhhutchins 19:19, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

The Story of Santa Claus

This publication should be credited as published. If Moore isn't credited, and the book contains his poem, then it should be added as a content to the record. Once the record reflects the book as published you have the option to variant the titles to the true author. That's always been ISFDB standard. Mhhutchins 00:45, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

One other thing: if it's a CHAPTERBOOK, then it should have a SHORTFICTION content record. If it's illustrated, you have the option to add an INTERIORART content record. Mhhutchins 00:46, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Paulson and Moore are both credited as "Editor", along with "Scribbler Elf" as "author". I suspect it does contain the Moore poem, but that would obviously be a small piece of the book; it could also be that he is credited because his poem is the basis for some of the content (like the reindeer names). There is no credit for the cover artist that is part of the Amazon listing; INTERIORART is credited to "Elves", although Gustafson is undoubtedly the interior artist. The cover artist is identified in Spectrum 2. Sorry I forgot the story. Bob 01:58, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
In the submission to update the publication record, you say that you can't make Paulson into the canonical author because he's not in the database. Untrue. If you want to do this (even if the evidence to do so is sketchy), just go to the title record and click on "Make This Title a Variant Title or Pseudonymous Work". In the bottom half of the entry screen replace "Scribble Elf" in the Author1 field with "Tim Paulson". This creates a parent record under the new author's name, regardless of whether the author is already in the database. Surely you've done this more than once when creating parent records for variant titles? Mhhutchins 16:32, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
I don't recall doing this before, but I suppose I might have. What I did was try to make Scribbler Elf into a pseudonym for Tim Paulson, and that was rejected. Bob 16:39, 16 March 2014 (UTC)
Creating pseudonyms and varianting titles records have nothing to do with each other. They are two entirely different functions. Unfortunately many users fail to understand this as well. They create a pseudonym and then think that all of the titles published under that pseudonym will magically now appear under the canonical author's name. A variant for each and every pseudonymously published title has to be manually submitted. As you learned, you can not make an author into a pseudonym if there are no records by the canonical author in the database. By creating the parent title record, you automatically create a new author in the database. (I can assure you, you've made hundreds of records into variants by changing the author field of the "Make This Title a Variant" function. Granted, they may have all been for authors already in the database, but that wasn't a requirement to create a new parent title record.) The next step is to go to the author page Scribbler Elf and make all the titles into variants of Tim Paulson, including the SHORTFICTION title records. Then you make "Scribbler Elf" into a pseudonym for Tim Paulson. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:16, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Strange Creatures

Hi Bob. For your proposed Strange Creatures from Time & Space submission, I see we already have a variation on that title here. Ampersand vs. "and" aside, I notice that is set up as NONFICTION, while your submission is NOVEL. I didn't have time to go poking around at the moment; any idea which is correct? Thanks. --MartyD 23:04, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Marty, I have no idea if it's a novel or nonfiction. I pulled the submission and cloned the existing pub instead. Thank you for finding these. Bob 23:53, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Spectrum III

Can you see if the works by Tim O'Brien on pages 110 and 125 of this publication are different works? If so, they should be disambiguated to avoid another editor from merging them accidentally. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:56, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Missed that one! Disambiguated. Thank you, Michael.Bob 17:22, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Uller Uprising

Can you confirm that Orban is credited with the cover of this publication? That art is from the maagazine publication of the story which is credited to Ebel. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:02, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Confirmed. I would presume this one is wrong if there is a conflict. Bob 20:06, 17 March 2014 (UTC)
If an art credit is proven to be wrong, it is standard to make a correction, note the error, and provide the source for the correct data. Mhhutchins 00:46, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

John Adkins Richards

Are you certain that the artist credited as John Adkins Richards in this mid-70s US-based fantasy fanzine is the same artist who did covers for British digest-sized novels and magazines in the 1950s as John Richards? Or perhaps another editor made the pseudonym and variant? Mhhutchins 00:47, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't recall, but I agree that they are not likely the same person and removed the pseudonym tie. Bob 16:49, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Held submission for Sun Goddess

I don't think you want to unmerge the titles for "Sun Goddess". Instead you should delete it from the collections that it is currently contained where it shouldn't be, and re-add a new item in those collections. Unmerge should really only be used for "container" title recoreds i.e. NOVELS, ANTHOLOGIES, etc. It doesn't work correctly for contained titles. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:12, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Ron, Ahasuerus worked on this function awhile back and he may have fixed the bug that caused the original problems. I know that unmerging a COVERART record works properly now, but I've not tested unmerging INTERIORART records. I would suggest accepting the submission to see how it works. If it doesn't I'll take on the responsibility of repairing it. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:25, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Hold on. I just tested it and it doesn't work for INTERIORART records. Bob, please follow Ron's advice and use the "Remove Titles from This Pub" function. Sorry. Mhhutchins 18:27, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Wow, that's a new one on me. Thanks for the instruction, guys. Submitted. Actually, "Sun Goddess" is in that pub, but it's under a different name, "Tigerwoman". "Sun Goddess" in that pub is a variant of the cover of Savage Pellucidar! I'll get those fixed when the changes are approved. Bob 19:25, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
Rule of Thumb: Use the "Remove Titles" function when you want to remove a "contained" record (SHORTFICTION, ESSAY, INTERIORART) from a "container" record (NOVEL, COLLECTION, ANTHOLOGY, NONFICTION). Use the "Unmerge" function to remove a publication from under a title record. Mhhutchins 19:30, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Notes added to title records...

...don't get transferred when you merge the record with another record before the first submission adding the notes has been accepted by a moderator. This has been mentioned several times in the past: if you update a record you must wait until the submission has been accepted before making another submission that changes the same record. You'll have to go to the list of your accepted submissions to see which records will have to be updated to add the notes again. There were at least five of them. Mhhutchins 20:40, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

I just did three more. What you're doing is updating one record's note field and then merging it with another record without notes. The notes you added to the first record get lost, because you weren't given the option to retain them during the reconciliation process. If you'd wait until the first submission has been accepted before merging then you'll be given an option to retain the note. Mhhutchins 20:43, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Unmerge of "At the Earth's Core" from Legacy

I have on hold a proposed unmerge of At the Earth's Core from Legacy. Are you trying to remove it from that collection, or are you trying to make the one in that collection be distinct from the ones in The Fantastic Art of Frank Frazetta? --MartyD 01:53, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

The artworks by that name are not the same in the two publications. The one in Legacy is the cover art of the book of the same name. The one in The Fantastic Art of Frank Frazetta is the cover art for Witch of the Dark Gate. Bob 02:50, 21 March 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. Just double-checking. --MartyD 03:05, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

III Millennium

Your verified III Millennium has a publication type of NOVEL, but a title type of NONFICTION. As it cannot be both a novel and nonfiction, please change the appropriate one. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 22:05, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

I don't even know how that happened. Thank you for pointing this one out! Fixed. Bob 22:57, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

Tales of Conan

I've got several changes that I'd like to make to Howard and De Camp's Tales of Conan:

  • I think Miller's introduction can be titled "Introduction: There'll Always Be a Conan". With the addition of the subtitle, the parenthetical disambiguation isn't necessary.
  • De Camp's note, should be titled "Ghostly Note" which again would not require disambiguation since the title is unique.
  • We have two of the stories, "Hawks Over Shem" and "The Road of the Eagles" as by Howard alone. I can't find anything in the book to suggest this. I suspect that those titles have never actually appeared attributed to Howard alone. The only other place they appear is in the various printings of Conan the Freebooter. I've got the 1968 printing which has those stories by both Howard and De Camp and I don't expect that the Lancer or Ace reprints would have changed that. I'll inquire of the other verifiers of those editions since it will be far simpler to to do two title merge edits rather than edit each individual publication.

Let me know if you concur and I can make the changes. I'll do that so it will affect all of the binding states (mine is the gray cloth). Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

I do concur, but with a caution. There are two stories titled "The Road of the Eagles", one by Howard alone and one by Howard and de Camp. The one by both appears in Tales of Conan, Conan the Freebooter and The Conan Chronicles (Sphere and Orbit). Howard original titled the fragment he wrote as "Conan, Man of Destiny". The other story appears in Lord of Samarcand and Other Adventure Tales of the Old Orient (an earlier draft) and Sword Woman and Other Historical Adventures. That story has appeared under the title "The Way of the Swords". These two need to be kept separate. "Hawks over Shem" also appears in The Conan Chronicles (Sphere and Orbit) and in Fantastic Universe, October 1955. That story was titled "Hawks over Egqyp" in it's non-Conan version. With Howard, nothing is straightforward. Thanks for fixing the problems, Ron. Bob 15:56, 23 March 2014 (UTC)

The Sensuous Frazetta

I removed the publisher ("unknown") of this publication, allowing the notes as an explanation for the field being blank. I also changed the binding from "unknown" to "other" since the notes gives a good description of the format. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:06, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Michael. Bob 22:36, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Wasteland of Flint

Added a Canadian cover price to our verified pub. PeteYoung 23:09, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Land of the Dead

I've added the uncredited poem '"From the Annals of Cuauhtitlan" that appears on page 11 to our verified pub. It also appears in the earlier volumes in the series. PeteYoung 23:22, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

House of Reeds

Added a Canadian cover price to our verified House of Reeds, and also uploaded a cover scan: the big cat on the Amazon image is completely different. PeteYoung 23:52, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

Kubla Khan Portfolio

Based on your description of the publication in the notes of this record, the binding should be changed from "ph" (pamphlet) to "other". Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:51, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I'm assuming this portfolio would be similar but it lacks a description. Mhhutchins 15:52, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I never saw the classifications of pub type at the bottom of the list, where you have to move the list down! Silly of me. Thank you Michael. I'll also correct the third portfolio. Bob 16:20, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Unstated ISBN

If you're verifying a record which has an ISBN which is not stated in the publication, remove it from the ISBN field and in the Note field state "Previously given ISBN for this record 1-234-56789-0 is not present in the verified copy." In the case of this record, I was able to find a source, left the ISBN in the ISBN field, and noted the source for it. (I found this source by clicking on the "Worldcat" link in the menu to the left of the record.) Mhhutchins 17:04, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

"Legacy Lost" by Montes

Can you check to see if the artwork on page 165 of this publication is the same as used to illustrate this story? If so, please merge your record with this one. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:52, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Same question about the piece on page 169. Is it the same as this piece? Mhhutchins 19:38, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes and yes. I merged both. Bob 23:12, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

Weird Tales: Complete Pulp Magazine Cover Gallery, 1923-1954

In your verified Weird Tales, the publication author is Neil Mecham, but the title record is Neil Mechem. If this is a typo in the record, please update the publication. If this is a typo in the publication, please update the title and then variant to Mechem. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:14, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

The original entry was Mecham, which is wrong. Fixed. Bob 20:28, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Possible title merge conflict

I'm holding your submission to merge this record with this one. The note field of each differs as to the original of the piece. Your submission retains the origin as The Trials of Judas Wiley, which deletes The Memoirs of Charley Blankenship as the origin. Was this your intention with the merge? Mhhutchins 23:32, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I found this image of the cover of the Doubleday edition of The Trial of Judas Wiley (singular "Trial") by Lewis B. Patten (not "Pattern"). Is that the Frazetta illustration "Bucking Bronco"? I'll keep looking for a cover of Memoirs. Mhhutchins 23:42, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

The latter's full title is The True Memoirs of Charley Blankenship and the author is Benjamin Capps (plural). I see that the Frazetta illustration wasn't for the cover but a promotional painting. So that's not going to help me. Mhhutchins 23:47, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

I'll cancel the submission. The notes are the information given with the two illustrations (other than Pattern), but clearly the "Trial" one was incorrect since this is NOT the illustration you found. The other is found in a section with a number of the "Spurs" paintings, so I'll resubmit holding that note. The two paintings are indeed identical. I've also added the "s" to Capps name. I've noticed that artists will sometimes make mistakes (or the editors do) when they name the publication that their illustration accompanied. Thanks, Michael. Bob 23:53, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. It's disconcerting that the editors of artbooks are so sloppy (as I've learned from your entries for the Spectrum collections.) In less than five minutes I was able to find the correct author and title of the novel to which the work was attributed. Wasn't the Internet around in 2001? :) Mhhutchins 00:01, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Reverse variants?

Since the works in this publication were published in 1993 (or earlier), it's not usual that they'd be variants to works which were published in 1994. Or do you plan on correcting the publication date fields of those parent records? Mhhutchins 19:56, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

I did it that way on purpose; the portfolio was published ahead of the book, but the book was already in process when the portfolio was put together as a sort of prelude (the back of the portfolio folder notes that these illustrations are part of the book to be published). Neither the portfolio or the book provides titles or other identifiers; the titles now in the book were those used in later publications for the same art. I like to see the titles if possible, and by making the portfolio plates variants of the book, those titles appear on the portfolio art. There are a few other instances where I have made the earlier pub a variant of the later, sometimes with the title in mind, sometimes because the later title is coverart, while the earlier title is interiorart. In all cases my objective has been to provide the best description of the artwork. Bob 20:11, 30 March 2014 (UTC)
Since the works were first published in 1993 (even as a preview), then the dates of the parent records should reflect that, even if they weren't published under that title. Just as a story first published in a magazine and then reprinted in an author's collection under a different title gets the date of magazine publication, even if the reprinted title becomes the canonical title. For example, What Is This Thing Called Love? by Asimov first appeared as "Playboy and the Slime God". It was reprinted in the author's 1969 collection (and all subsequent collections) with what is now considered the canonical title. The date of that title is 1961 because that was the first publication of the work, even though it was published under a different title. Mhhutchins 20:26, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Edgar Rice Burroughs Plates

You could have updated the titles of all of these content records with one submission to update the publication record. Just saying... Mhhutchins 20:32, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Again, theoretically. Practically, I had to match each illustration with the correct plate number; since I had to do that to variant the things anyhow, I just updated and varianted each one as I went through. When I entered the book data in the first place, I assumed that the plates were in order. Bad assumption. The other portfolios in the same book appear to be in order. Bob 20:38, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

Frank Frazetta, Book Five

Re this record: It would have been better to add the contents to the dated record for the first printing, and then imported them to the second. Now all of those content title records are undated and will eventually have to be corrected. Mhhutchins 21:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Never considered it. Fixed. Bob 00:04, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Linking sketches to the finished work

I don't think this is allowed under the current rules. When a work (art or literature) is varianted, it is basically the same work, with the only difference being either a change of title or a change in credit. You can always link the preliminary work with the finished work in the Note fields of the title records. Mhhutchins 21:02, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Although the artwork is referred to by Betty Ballantine as a sketch, I cannot see any difference in the illustration from the finished book cover art. Some of the "sketches" on that page are indeed sketches, but three seem to be the finished artworks. I suppose I should add notes on the three finished pieces that they are indeed finished? Bob 21:11, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Make it clear in the notes that the titles are misleading and that this is the final work which appeared on the publication covers. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:27, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Merge vs. variant on two Frazetta pieces

This and this have significantly different titles. Should they really be merged, or would a variant relationship be more appropriate? --MartyD 23:58, 3 April 2014 (UTC)

Marty, like a lot of the sketches in the Frazetta books, the titles are mine. I have a rotten memory, so sometimes I have to merge titles that are not as similar as I would like. Usually, titles given in the pubs will either be capitalized or in quotes. These two are in fact identical illustrations and both named by me. I chose the Viking variation as the standard. I think there is another of this one floating around, but I haven't found it yet. Every new book of sketches and I have to go through all the other books to find the duplicates because I don't always enter sketches unless they are duplicated in more than one book. The Pen and Ink pub is mostly sketches, and there are at least half a dozen in-pub duplicates, not to mention a lot of out of pub duplicates!
On another subject, are you going to the Windy City Pulp and Paperback show this month? I am. Bob 00:08, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I accepted it. No, I'm not going -- I'm an East Coaster. Enjoy! --MartyD 02:16, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
It is not ISFDB policy to create titles for untitled works based on a subjective decision of the editor. Your "title" may not be the same as that of another user who has the same publication. Untitled (and uncaptioned) works should be given the title of the work they illustrate. That would be the title of the publication which contains it, with disambiguation if necessary. An untitled work in this publication would be titled "Frank Frazetta: Master of Pen and Ink", adding "[2]" to the title of the next untitled work, and continuing from there. We have gone over this countless times before, and I hate that it had to come up again. But it must be made clear that we're not here to create a personal database of our personal collection. Perhaps you've chosen to use these descriptive titles so that you can compare them with other copies of the same work in your collection. But merging them all into one record using a subjective title is not the way the go. I know it's too late to do much about it now, considering the hours you've put into recording these Frazetta publications (and the hours of moderating I've done.) But you must remember our previous conversations on the matter, or if not, a simple inquiry at the Help Desk would have refreshed your memory. Remembering our heated discussions in the past over this same situation, I personally am not in the mood to get into further arguments about it. In accepting the hundreds of submissions for these interiorart records, I'd assumed you were entering the captions or titles for the works as they appeared in the publications. At this point, I'm going to walk away. It's not worth going to battle, because I still have scars from our previous skirmishes. Mhhutchins 16:25, 4 April 2014 (UTC)
The easiest, the fastest and the less stressful way to fix this problem is to record in the Note field of each publication that the content titles given in the ISFDB record are not given in the actual publication. I'll say no more about the matter. Mhhutchins 16:45, 4 April 2014 (UTC)


Can you confirm that the author of this publication is not credited as "David A. Gemmell" on its title page? (The OCLC record gives the middle initial.) Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 19:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Same question for this publication and this one. Mhhutchins 19:17, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

All David A. Gemmell on the title page. Corrected. Bob 19:58, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Merge of "The Frazetta Treasury cover"

I had to reject your merge of The Frazetta Treasury cover with title ID #1718351 -- that one no longer exists, so some other operation must have been submitted that deleted it. You may want to check whether there's still something out there that should be merged. --MartyD 21:15, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


Is this record correctly credited as published? Guinta instead of Giunta? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 02:46, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. Thanks, Michael. Bob 18:37, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

Risque Stories, #6 July 1988

Would it be safe to assume that the name of the author of "Letter (Risque Stories #6)" in your verified Risque Stories, #6 July 1988 is "Pierre Comtois" rather than ":ierre Comtois"? Ahasuerus 21:10, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Certainly would be! Corrected. Bob 22:56, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Etchings & Odysseys #9

Could you please confirm that David C. Kopaska-Merkel's last name is spelled "Kopaaska-Merkel" in your verified Etchings & Odysseys #9? TIA! Ahasuerus 21:26, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Corrected. Thank you! Bob 22:54, 20 April 2014 (UTC)
Approved and thanks for checking :) Ahasuerus

"The Caves of Stygia"

Is this record correctly credited as published? If so, it should be varianted to "H. Warner Munn".

Also please check the author credits for this story in Whispers, and this one in Fantasy Tales. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:13, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

All my errors. Corrections submitted. Thanks! Bob 23:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Battle for the Stars

The cover artist for this publication is Jack Gaughan, according to Outermost: The Art + Life of Jack Gaughan, page 142 and 145. Could you perform the update? Thanks! Horzel 21:46, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Submitted. Bob 23:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Rejects of variant submissions

I've had to reject the submissions to make variants of the interior art records by Wood which were reprinted in non-English language publications. They should be varianted to English language title records. The best way to go about this is to first make variants of all of the English language title records. After that, go back and variant the non-English title records to the "Wallace Wood" English title records. This will require knowing which English story the pieces originally illustrated. Mhhutchins 06:44, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

It seems to me that was a silly thing to do. If all the interiorart was under a single name, then because the dates are close between the foreign language pubs and English pubs, it is fairly straightforward to find the variants. Replacing one variant with another is trivially easy. But now, with the foreign language pubs under one name and the English pubs under another, it gets more complex to find the matches. I admit I was using a two-step process, but there was a reason for doing so. I'll let you go ahead and do the variants now. Bob 18:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)
For each submission that I would have accepted, it would have taken two submissions to get it right. The first submission to change the variant to the correct title, and the second submission to delete the false variant record that you created. If you'd made the correct variant in the first place, then I would not have had to reject them. It's not silly. It was the right thing to do. I appreciate the effort put into creating the other variants, but a simple question at the Help Desk would have saved both of us much time and effort. And by the way, thanks for granting permission for another editor to do it correctly. Mhhutchins 03:44, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
That's interesting. In the past, when someone (you, Michael?) entered variants to convert the artist names in the Spectrum entries I made to the canonical name, I sometimes had to change those variants to the book covers using that artwork, which usually already had the artist's canonical name associated with it. I went to "Make this title a variant.." and changed the number entered there to that for the cover art. I didn't delete anything. Are those original variants still floating around somewhere? If so, how does one access them? And what happens to a variant when correcting an error, and the number in the variant is changed to "0" to cancel the attachment? Isn't that variant erased? If one has to delete variants, then I've misunderstood the process and left dozens of unattached variants floating around somewhere. Bob 22:49, 25 April 2014 (UTC)
If TITLE A is varianted to TITLE B (which has no other title either varianted to it and not contained in a publication), and you redirect that TITLE A to its proper parent TITLE C, then the first parent record (TITLE B) will be "publess", meaning there is no publication containing that title. There is no easy way to find "publess" titles. You just have to click on each title to see if there is a pub which contains it. If there isn't, you can delete the title 99% of the time. There are rare occasions when a title has been entered into the database without a publication to avoid the creation of a pub record for a work which otherwise wouldn't be eligible for the database. But there should be notes in the Note field explaining that, usually something like "First published in Non-genre Magazine, January 1999".
Removing a variant by entering "0" would only result in a "publess" title if that title isn't contained in any other publication.
In these cases, you created new "false" titles, a few of which got through because another moderator accepted the submissions without being aware of the results. I corrected most of them, but there are about five left. You varianted 1492860 (TITLE A) to a new title, creating record 1722223 (TITLE B, a false title.) It should have been varianted to 1722235 (TITLE C). If you make a submission to correct that variant, editing 1492860 to replace the parent number field of "1722223" with "1722235", then the title record for 1722223 (TITLE B) will have no publications and should be deleted. Try it and you'll see. Mhhutchins 23:04, 26 April 2014 (UTC)
O.K., I submitted the change to TITLE A. When that's approved, I'll go back and look at TITLE B, then delete it. But that assumes I know the number of TITLE B. No problem when I'm eliminating a variant (by changing to "0"); I can copy the old variant number, go to it and delete. More of a pain when changing the variant from one number to another. I wish I had understood the need to remove unused variants before I made so many changes. I know I have deleted a number of unused titles (no content) where others have made the same sort of error, so I'm not alone, but that's small consolation. Thanks for the explanation! Bob 23:38, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, Bob, but I had to reject three of your submissions (two clone and one merge proposals), because the titles weren't in the database anymore. Please take a look at 'My Rejected Edits' for an inspection. Christian Stonecreek 08:25, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Redid the clones. Merge was apparently a repeat. Thank you! Bob 16:30, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Just chiming in to say that (IMHO) the varianting of interior art from french magazines to their English counterpart only based upon their position is not such a good idea. I've made once a precise verification (at Michael's request) which shows that the original order of the illustrations is not strictly kept in the translated magazine (see here or here for example). Hauck 12:16, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

O.K., I understand. It was Michael who objected to my original variants of "Wood" to "Wallace Wood" on the foreign language issues, and wanted to create the English/foreign variants instead. I did create such variants for one issue pair (where the Wallace Wood variants had been approved), but haven't done anything with the others. I'm glad I learned more about empty variants from this exercise; otherwise, it looks like it would have been better if the original variants I created had not been rejected. Bob 20:47, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Operation Shield

Can you confirm the cover artist credit given in this record is correct? ("Stephen" instead of the canonical spelling of "Stephan") Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:06, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Thank you! Bob 16:31, 30 April 2014 (UTC)


You want to merge this with this and they appear to be different works. If they are the same then one of the linked cover images is incorrect. Mhhutchins 20:15, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Withdrawn. A silly mistake. Bob 21:07, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

National Lampoon cover

You want to merge this interiorart record with this one but keep the date as November 1971. Was it published before it appeared on the cover of the magazine?

And talking about publishing dates: was this work by 8-year-old Frazetta published in 1936, and this one in 1940? If not, remember that we date works by their first publication date, not by the date of their creation. Mhhutchins 20:20, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Also there are two titles of SHORTFICTION on Frazetta's summary page. Are they typed correctly? Mhhutchins 20:21, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The merge was a mistake, two different covers. Submission cancelled. Thanks for catching this one! The first date in Icon was an error, the item was never published before Icon, so far as I know. The 1940 one is correct, but it's not by Frazetta. Both corrected. The two shortfictions have been corrected, you just haven't gotten to them yet. Bob 20:59, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Well, I've finished your submissions and didn't see any that corrected those shortfictions. Mhhutchins 21:33, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, two other shortfictions. Fixed. Bob 22:47, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Untamed Love

Same situation as above with "Thun'da". These two aren't the same image: here and here. Also, are you certain that these two cover art records should be merged? Mhhutchins 21:35, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

Right on again! Thank you for finding these really dumb mistakes. Bob 22:53, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

"Inheritance" in The Barbarian Scroll

Can you confirm that the piece on page 8 of this pubication is a serial? There are no other parts in the issues before or after this appearance. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 17:20, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

Well, the only indications that it is a serial are the statement at the end "'Inheritance' Continues Next Time" and the fact that the story doesn't end at that point. There is no TOC and nothing at the top of the story that indicates it is a serial, and of course there is no continuation. I don't have a clue why no further development occurred, or to how many pieces there were to be. Bob 02:04, 4 May 2014 (UTC)
I've changed it to SHORTFICTION and added a note about the end statement. Mhhutchins 04:57, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

The Sword & Sorcery Anthology

Bob, I have added the OCLC for this book that you primary verified. I hope that this is okay. MLB 02:59, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Bob 16:34, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

Text heading for 'The Ghost'

"Text heading for 'The Ghost'" and "Text heading for 'The Ghost'" appear to be identical. Wouldn't we want to merge then rather than a create a VT? Ahasuerus 01:58, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The problem with merging the two is that they are in the same pub and one will disappear from the contents if they are merged. This type of problem usually happens with INTERIORART because text seldom appears twice in a single pub. But it's pretty common in art books. The first time I merged two copies of the same artwork in one pub, it was a pain to disentangle the problem. So I have lately been creating a variant out of the one that appears as on endpaper or on the title page or on the table of contents or whatever, that is, the one that seems to be supplementary to the artworks presented. That way both appear in the list of contents, but the relationship is clear. Bob 18:12, 7 May 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see. I think the underlying problem is that the ISFDB software was never designed to allow 2+ instances of the same title record to appear in the same publication. I will have to examine the code to see how difficult it would be to allow titles to appear in the same pub multiple times. It's easy to change the display logic, but there may other parts of the software that may be affected.
In the meantime, let me check with other moderators to see how they have dealt with this issue in the past. Be right back :) Ahasuerus 19:17, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

The Howard Reviews

A couple of quick questions. Is Frank Frazetta really credited as Frank Frazzeta in The Howard Review, #7 April 1977 or is it a typo? Ditto "Frank Frazett" in The Howard Review, #5 November 1976 and Icon: A Retrospective by the Grand Master of Fantastic Art, Frank Frazetta. Ahasuerus 15:41, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

All typos, fixed. I've caught the missing "a" a number of times before, but I don't recall making the "zz" typo before! Thank you! Bob 17:34, 9 May 2014 (UTC)
Approved. Thanks for checking! Ahasuerus 17:36, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Questions about a couple of proposed merges

Hi Bob, I have a couple of your proposed merges on hold.

  • Shutterbugs!, having exclamation point and credited to only Frazetta, with Shutterbugs, having no exclamation point and credited to both Frazetta and Mayo. Those are pretty big differences. Was the data entry for Captain George Presents Numbers 38 & 39 really that far off? If it has the exclamation point there and/or is only credited to Frazetta there, we should be using a variant, not merging them.
  • Cake Fake!, having exclamation point, with Cake Fake, having no exclamation point. Is it really exclamation point-less in both places? If not, we should be using a variant instead.

Thanks, --MartyD 02:30, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Same question about merge of A Package fer Pappy! (exclamation) with A Package fer Pappy (no exclamation), losting the exclamation point. --MartyD 02:32, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
About the exclamation points. First, all of the items with the same titles are identical (although some are in color and some in B&W). Titles for the Frazetta comic book stories tend to mostly follow the same pattern. At the top in big letters is the main character or characters (like "Superman" or "Kathy"), but of course that doesn't really identify the story. Then there is a short paragraph (in the same first panel) that sets up the story, ending in the real title of the story in bold letters (like "Shutterbugs" or "Cake Fake"). In many cases, there is an exclamation point at the very end. When I first started entering Frazetta's comic stories, I carefully included that exclamation point when it was used. But on consideration, that exclamation point is really punctuation for the sentence in the paragraph, not part of the title. So I stopped using the exclamation point, and when I merge story titles, I eliminate the old exclamation points that way instead of going back and correcting the original titles separately. At some point I'll have to review old titles to eliminate the exclamation points I miss.
I add the information on the character in the story in the title notes, along with the original source of the story. A few stories do not have a title other than the characters; those for the same character usually differ in the issue in which they appear. A few don't even differ that way; I differentiate those by a number in square brackets after the title.
About the credit. The stories are not generally individually credited at all. A few may have "Fritz" or "Frazetta" somewhere on the artwork, but most do not. They simply appear in publications that contain work by Frank Frazetta. "Shutterbugs" is an exception in Frazetta Funny Stuff. In that pub, there is a note accompanying the source information that Mayo was a co-author of the story. I should have varianted the other versions of "Shutterbug" to that one instead of merging. I'll pull the proposed merger and submit a variant. But the exclamation points need to be edited out anyhow. Bob 19:01, 12 May 2014 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. I accepted them and removed the "!" from A Package fer Pappy. --MartyD 00:17, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

The Barbarian Scroll #7

Did Issue #7 come out two months after Issue #8, and the same month as Issue #9? Also, were the eight parts of the screenplay "Red Sonja" numbered? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:56, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

No, it came out in April, not August. A dedication is dated 4/8/89; I must have gotten the August from the day in that date. The parts of the Red Sonja screenplay are not numbered. The individual scenes in the script are numbered consecutively, however. The script is not complete, at the end of the part is issue 16 it says "continued" just after the start of scene 47. Bob 18:50, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Please update the titles of the records of each installment, using standard serial entry, i.e. "Title (Part 1 of ?)", etc. Without the parentheses, it might be mistakenly thought to be part of the title. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:02, 2 June 2014 (UTC)
Done. Thank you, Michael. Bob 16:46, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

Blessings from the Condemned

According to the Amazon Look Inside, this publication is subtitled "A Horror Legacy". Also, it shows the publisher as "Darkness & Despair Inc." Is this the same as your copy? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 15:21, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Also, can you confirm the misspelled credit for Elizabeth Gaskell? Mhhutchins 15:26, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
Right on the subtitle and the publisher. The publisher on the copyright page is listed as CreateSpace, but like most print on demand publishers, the author usually names his own publishing company, credited on the title page. I caught these after submission, and have corrected both. Gaskell was misspelled, but not Elisabeth, which is as given. I'll make it a variant. Bob 15:51, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Underwood-Miller Demon Princes

Could you check the artist credit for the frontispiece illustrations of Vance's Demon Princes series ([4], [5], [6] and [7]). You have the artist as "Randy Broeker" and his name is sometimes spelled that way, but more commonly appears as "Randy Broecker". If the credit is correct, we can make those illustrations into variants. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 03:30, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Although I did verify these pubs, I don't believe I entered the artist's name. The artwork is NOT credited in any of the five pubs. Only in The Face is there any identification, where the frontispiece has (backward)R B in the lower left corner; the style of the artwork marks it clearly as by a single artist. Incidentally, that pub has three additional interior illustrations to the frontispiece, all by Broeker or Broecker. I think it's likely that Bluesman entered the artist's name, presuming he made the original entry. It makes more sense to me to just correct the spelling, rather than variant the current spelling. Bob 20:52, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Please update the records, correcting the artist credit, and state in the Note field that the credit is based on the artist's signature. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:51, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Chalker/Owings states that the illustrations are by Broecker and further indicates that they are uncredited. Just in case you wanted to note a published source for the credit. It may be in the Levack bibliography too, but I'll have to wait until I get home to check that (I strangely keep the pdf of C/O on my phone) --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 22:26, 13 June 2014 (UTC)
Levack predates these books by 3 years, so no help. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 00:21, 14 June 2014 (UTC)
Done. Bob 19:56, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

Broeker vs. Broecker

Can you confirm the spelling of the frontispiece artist credit for the Underwood-Miller editions of the Demon Princes series? They currently credit Randy Broeker which has been used occasionally for Randy Broecker. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 13:36, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see the previous message asking the same question. Mhhutchins 13:37, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

A Feast of Crows

The ISBN given in this record is the same as the Bantam retail edition. Since that ISBN is not stated in the publication, the ISBN field should be blanked. You have the option to record it in the Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 14:20, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Done. Bob 20:57, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Weird Tales in the Thirties

I added the cover artist and expanded the notes, adding the price in England and a Worldcat link for Smith's Weird Tales in the Thirties. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:53, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Ron. Bob 16:42, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Sword & Fantasy #4

There's a problem with the INTERIORART piece on page 4 of this publication. It is credited to Margaret Brundage, but varianted to a work of fiction by Leigh Kennedy. Please resolve the problem when you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:25, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Don't understand how this one happened. Thanks, Michael. Bob 16:31, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Daniel McPhail = R. H. Barlow?

If you're certain that the piece about H. G. Wells in this publication is Barlow using a different name, please make McPhail into a pseudonym and variant his other attributed titles to Barlow. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:48, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

The article was originally attributed to McPhail by mistake, corrected in the next issue. Barlow was the real author. I added a note to that effect in the fanzine and book, changed the author and cancelled the variant, but could not delete the variant until the other changes are approved. Bob 16:53, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Looks good. Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:01, 23 June 2014 (UTC)
Variant now deleted. Bob 18:55, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Edward Valigursky

Please see this discussion regarding covers by Edward Valigursky. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:57, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Rick McCollum or McCullom

Can you confirm the artist credit for the work on page 21 of this record and on page 40 of this one? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:26, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Transpositions fixed. Thanks, Michael. Bob 23:51, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Incorrect variant

Re this interiorart record: it has been incorrectly varianted to a novel by R. L. Stine. This was due to entering the publication number (11249) instead of the title record number of its cover art (1352747). (The Stine novel's title record number is 11249.) This may explain what happened with the previous incorrect variant. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:52, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

I think you hit the nail on the head, Michael. Changed variant, will delete old one when change is approved. Bob 23:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Lone Star

The LCCN for Lone Star does exist. Here's the permalink: You might want to update the listing since you're the most recent PV and still active.SFJuggler 02:58, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, updated. Bob 18:51, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

The Lizard War

Added cover scan to The Lizard War to replace the Amazon one (which was from a later printing/different edition).SFJuggler 19:03, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Cover artist for Spectrum 16

Could you confirm that the cover artist for Spectrum 16 is given as Mélane Delon and not Mélanie Delon? If it is "Mélane," I have a feeling it's a misprint. Thanks! BungalowBarbara 04:16, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

It was a typo. Thank you! Bob 22:03, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Retief of the CDT

Added cover scan and notes to Retief of the CDT.SFJuggler 04:19, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! Bob 23:49, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Virgin Finlay???

Probably a hilarious typo, but could you check the cover artist of this pub again? Thanks, --Willem H. 20:41, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Ouch! Fixed, added scan. Thanks, Willem. Bob 23:48, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

The VMR Theory

Bob: If it is okayed, I have added the LCCN link to The VMR Theory and the Canadian pricing for this book to your notes. I hope that this is okay. MLB 02:42, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! Thank you. Bob 23:23, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Garett Investigates

Can you confirm that the artist of this book's cover is credited as "Allan Pollack"? If so, please variant the cover art title record to the canonical artist Alan Pollack. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:59, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Also, the year of publication is missing. According to the Note field, the month is in dispute, but its ISBN would indicate a 2004 publication. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:01, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. Don't know why I didn't enter a date, but I stuck with what's in the book. Bob 23:27, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hymn to the Sun

Re this record: the introduction on Page 1 is entered as credited to Roger Zelazny, but actually written by Jane Lindskold. Is that correct? Mhhutchins 20:03, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

It is indeed credited to Zelazny. I don't know why I varianted in Lindskold as the author; I've deleted the variant. Bob 23:36, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Cold Steel

Re this publication: Can you confirm that the prologue is credited to "Anonymous" or is it simply not credited? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:46, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Changed to uncredited. Also changed this item from ESSAY to SHORTFICTION, and the two fiction parts to novellas, not novels. I suppose they could be considered short novels, but I'm more comfortable with them as novellas. Bob 19:09, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
A 300-page novella? If it's more than 40K words it should be typed as NOVEL. Mhhutchins 19:11, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Night & Demons

You can't improve on perfection, so I borrowed several of your notes from the trade paperback version of Night & Demons for the paperback version here when, or if, mine is accepted. MLB 00:52, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

Perfection?? That's a new one for me! Thank you!!! Bob 22:42, 14 July 2014 (UTC)


Hi. You've verified the hard cover edition of the book Extremis. I have a copy of the paperback edition. The artwork appears to be identical, but your copy credits Kurt Miller, while my copy credits David Seeley. Someone placed a note in the paperback notes, perhaps when the record was created, which indicated that the credit to David Seeley was not correct, but didn't give a source. I was trying to resolve this, and it was suggested that I contact you to begin with, and ask you to check your copy for the artist. I guess it's possible that it was wrong in the paperback edition, but on the other hand, since it's a later edition, it might reflect a correction, or maybe the artist is using a pseudonym. Thanks, Jack Sjmathis 18:29, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

I believe the artwork is by Miller, based on the credit on the dust jacket itself and comparing the artwork to other Miller cover art on Steve White novels of similar vintage. I suspect that Seeley was at one time going to do the artwork, but Miller ended up with the job, but that's just speculation. The paperback presumably just copied the information on the copyright page of the hardcover. I've entered additional information in the notes for the hardcover. Bob 23:04, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks very much. Jack Sjmathis 12:25, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

Tomorrow and Tomorrow & The Fairy Chessmen

Please join in this discussion if you get a chance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:10, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

The Howard Review #14

Can you confirm that the work on page 23 of this publication is credited to Jeff Jones, but actually by Jack Gaughan? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 02:35, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

Variant was off by one, I entered 890017 instead of 890018. This was the cover of the second printing (6 years after the first), not the first. Corrected. Thanks, Michael. Bob 23:14, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

REH: Two-Gun Raconteur #17

Can we assume that the author of this work is not the artist, David A. Hardy, who has had work published as by "David Hardy"? If he's not, I'll disambiguate him. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:16, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

This particular "David Hardy" is in the data base as "Dave Hardy". Bob 18:01, 30 July 2014 (UTC)

Facsimile of August 1928 issue of Weird Tales

I added two letters by Meek and Hendrickson to the August 1928 issue of Weird Tales based on their reprinting in H. P. Lovecraft in "The Eyrie". You may want to consider adding them to your verified copy of the facsimile. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 02:49, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Also added letters to November 1932, September 1933, October 1933 and May 1934. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 15:48, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
All added. Bob 18:54, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Abbadon's Gate

Re this publication record: Unless it's stated in the publication, you should give the source for the publication date in the record's Note field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:54, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

O.K., noted. Bob 18:05, 6 August 2014 (UTC)


Is the piece on page 47 of this record correctly typed as SHORTFICTION? And is it correctly credited to "Danny" and not "Dany" as are the other pieces in the publication? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 03:25, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Interiorart. Dany. Fixed. Thanks, Michael. Bob 18:04, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Joel Shepherd's 23 Years on Fire


re the publication you've verified as Primary 2 here: I have a copy of this book & would like to make some changes to the publication record. I've listed the changes on the Primary 1's page here. --clarkmci / j_clark 22:54, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

I agree with all the changes you suggest; go ahead. Bob 17:49, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Primary verifier also agreed; changes done. --clarkmci / j_clark 06:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

"No Cowherds Wanted"

I assume "No Cowherders Wanted" and "No Cowherds Wanted" are the same story as both notes state "First appeared in Action Stories, September 1936". As you verified the publications containing both, would you mind double checking and variant (or merge if there is a database error) as appropriate? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:16, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Thank you! "Cowherders" is correct. Bob 22:08, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Frank Frazetta, Book Two

I think you entered the contents for this pub, but forgot to verify is. I took the P2 verification spot and adapted the notes a little bit. Thanks, --Willem H. 09:58, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The same for Frank Frazetta, Book Three. One question about this one, the price is stated as $7.98, but mine has $7.95. On your coverscan it looks like the price on your copy is blotted out. Any objections to me changing the price? Thanks, --Willem H. 10:09, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
And one more thing, Betty Ballantine is credited as editor of Frazetta books 2-5. I believe she should be credited as co-author of these books. If you agree I can make the neccesary changes. Thanks, --Willem H. 10:19, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Willem for this input. I added the forgotten verifications (I did indeed enter the content) and changed the price, a silly mistake. I don't object to adding Ballantine as co-author if you wish to. Strange that she wasn't credited as editor, but only for the introduction in the first volume, although I'm sure she was the editor of that one as well. Bob 22:29, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
I'm sure you're right about Betty Ballantine, but I couldn't find any proof. I added her as co-author to books 2-5 and added a note to the title record of volume 1. Thanks, --Willem H. 19:26, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Testament: The Life and Art of Frank Frazetta

Can you check the titlepage of this pub? I have a copy of the trade hardcover, and mine has the title as "Testament: A Celebration of the Life & Art of Frank Frazetta". If yours is the same, I can change the title records and the other publications. Thanks, --Willem H. 20:20, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

You are exactly correct. Please change the titles. Thank you! Bob 22:31, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
Titles changed. Thanks! --Willem H. 19:27, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

The Alluring Art of Margaret Brundage: Queen of the Pulp Pin-Up Art

I added Margaret Brundage as author of this verified pub. Thanks, --Willem H. 18:51, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

O.K., thanks. Bob 17:51, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Possible Misspellings

The following records have possible misspellings in their titles. It would be appreciated if you would double check these to see if they are errors in the database or in the original publications:

If they are errors in the database, they should be corrected. If they are errors in the original publications, it would be good to add notes to the title records to avoid future questions. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 15:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Wow, I am impressed with your diligence! Quite a collection of transpositions, missed letter strikes and plain misspellings! It's pretty obvious I'm an engineer. Thank you. All corrected. Please note that "crucifiction" should be "crucifixion", not "crucification", that "Joh Varley" is "John Varley" that "Expurfated" is "Expurgated", and that "half" is given in lower case (note added to the title), but really, really well done! Bob 18:02, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

H. P. L. (1890-1991)

In the Crypt of Cthulhu, #103, H. P. L. (1890-1991) by Roland C. Wagner is listed as an ESSAY; Wikipedia says that this in "an alternate history biography of H. P. Lovecraft". Could you check on this version? I just submitted a pub that has a version of this in French, and I'm assuming they're the same and should both be listed as fiction. Thanks, Albinoflea 05:12, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

I always have had a problem with articles like this one, that appear as an essay, but are actually fictional; the database does not recognize this as a category. I have no objection to reclassifying it as fiction, and have done so. Bob 13:58, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
No worries, I was confused too by all the footnotes, and at more of a loss since I can't read French, but it appeared to have won an award in a fiction category and that sent me down the path of discovery. Once your change is approved I will go ahead and submit a variant request. Thanks! Albinoflea 15:20, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Pubmire or Pugmire

Can you confirm the author credit of this record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:49, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

Pugmire, of course. Thanks, Michael. Bob 19:45, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

The Aethers of Mars

Just an FYI that I have changed the name of the author of "White Sand, Red Dust" in your verified The Aethers of Mars from "Charle E. Gannon" to "Charles E. Gannon". Ahasuerus 04:47, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Another dropped letter! Bob 19:46, 5 September 2014 (UTC)

Harry Turtledove's An Emperor for the Legion

Replaced the Amazon image of Harry Turtledove's An Emperor for the Legion with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary2 reference. Doug 15:22, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks. Bob 18:31, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

"Spectrum 10: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art"

In your verified publication, you have one piece of art by "Jum-ichi Fujikawa" and another one by "Juni-ichi Fujikawa". Could you verify for me that those are actually two different artists, and that one is not a misspelling for the other? Thanks, Chavey 01:56, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Boy, is that an interesting case. The names as shown were given in the text labels opposite the artwork, but the Artist's Index credits both artworks to "Jun-ichi Fukushima", which I think is the more likely correct identification since that artist is credited in "Spectrum 11" as well. Changes made. Bob 19:15, 17 September 2014 (UTC)

Weirdbook Eight

In Weirdbook Eight you show the author for "Editorial Remarks" as being "W; Paul Ganley" (with a semi-colon instead of a period), which has created a separate author apart from "W. Paul Ganley". Doug / Vornoff 15:43, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Ah, that old guy W;! Fixed. Bob 16:56, 21 September 2014 (UTC)

Amra V2n2, March 1959

Regarding your verified pubs Amra V2n2, 1959 and a later reprint Amra V2n2, March 1959. A couple of questions- 1. Shouldn't the two pub titles be the same, disambiguated by "(reprint)" or somesuch on the second one? 2. I notice all the articles in the pub are merged so do not show as duplicates. Shouldn't this be the same for the cover, which is not, and does show as duplicate for Scithers? 3. I see the Letter by Glenn Lord on p. 10 is missing in the reprint. Was that intentional? Hope you don't think I'm being nitpicky about some of this stuff. I'm fairly new to ISFDB and I'm just trying to understand variants, merging, etc. - all that good stuff. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 04:50, 25 September 2014 (UTC)

I merged the covers; quite right, they should be. I missed the Lord letter, now added. I agree about the title and have changed it. No need to disambiguate -- like reprints of novels, it's not ambiguous because of the date of publication. The titles are already merged because all of the 1959 Amras are merged together. Thanks for finding the mistakes! Bob 18:41, 28 September 2014 (UTC)

Diversifier #12

Hello. Can you check your copy of Diversifier #12 for a possible misspelling of Allen Koszowski as the interior artist for the Oratory essay. Currently it is listed as 'Allen Koszowki'. Thanks, John Syzygy 23:09, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Also, for Diversifier #9, the artist for 'The White Robed Stranger', is it Mark Gellotte with two l's or Mark Gelotte with one l? Thanks again, John Syzygy 00:37, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
Fixed. For the second, the credit at the top of the story is "Mark Gellote", but the artwork is indeed signed "Gelotte". Bob 21:17, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Alan Dean Foster's The End of the Matter

Replaced the Amazon image of Alan Dean Foster's The End of the Matter with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary3 reference. Doug 13:44, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks! Bob 21:01, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Shadows of Imagination

Bob, I think your proposed new pub duplicates/conflicts with this. --MartyD 17:46, 5 October 2014 (UTC)

It surely does. It didn't show up as a match to the review in Riverside Quarterly, presumably because the review has a comma after Tolkien's name in the title and the author's middle initial was missing. The missing middle initial also foiled my attempt to find the author. I've entered the data I picked up from the review and from entries on the original entry and deleted my entry. Thanks for catching this! Bob 00:15, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Shadows of Imagination [2]

Please add to the Note field the source for the publication date you've given for this record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:18, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

Done. Bob 17:46, 6 October 2014 (UTC)

The Witch With No Name

I made some minor additions to the Notes on your verified copy of The Witch With No Name. BungalowBarbara 03:55, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Looks good. Thank you! Bob 18:31, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Fanciful Tales of Time and Space, Fall 1936

Please see Fanciful Tales of Time and Space, Fall 1936 of which you have verified all three publications. The original cover art is credited to "Craig Ferguson, Jr.", but the two facsimiles are credited to "Clay Ferguson, Jr.". Since these are listed as facsimiles, which is correct? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:07, 12 October 2014 (UTC)

Clay is correct. Thank you! Bob 18:32, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

L. E. Modesitt, Jr.'s Dawn for a Distant Earth

Replaced the Amazon image of L. E. Modesitt, Jr.'s Dawn for a Distant Earth with one I scanned. You are listed as Primary3 reference. Also updated note with Canadian price and ISBN Doug 16:10, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Cool! Thanks. Bob 17:19, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

James Cawthorne

Wotta World, #1 1969, a publication that you verified, contains an INTERIORART item by James Cawthorne. Could you please double-check whether the author name is really spelled like this in the magazine? I am asking because I suspect that this might actually be James Cawthorn (note the missing "e"), the artist who created many illustrations for Michael Moorcock's work. Maybe you could deduce something about the artist's identity from the context of the magazine? Thanks, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 19:16, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

The name is indeed spelled as shown (Cawthorne), although it seems likely that it is the same James Cawthorn. I notice the only other artwork attributed to Cawthorne is a Moorcock piece. I suggest that you make Cawthorne a pseudonym of Cawthorn and the two pieces of artwork variants. Bob 19:59, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Exactly my thinking. I'll do this as soon as I get around to it in the next few days. Thanks for checking, Patrick -- Herzbube Talk 22:43, 21 October 2014 (UTC)

Frazetta interview

This title is typed as INTERVIEW in the 1975 publication and as ESSAY in the 2004 publication. If they're the same work, with the same title, they should be merged under one title-type. (Titles typed as INTERVIEW can't be merged with ESSAY, so you'd have to remove the ESSAY record, delete it, create a new INTERVIEW record and then merge the two records.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)

Whoever you are, good catch. I unmerged the two items, and changed the essay to interiorart, with a note indicating it is a small copy of the first page of an 8 page interview in the other publication. The page is more illustration than words; there are 15 words by Frazetta on this page. Bob 23:41, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
Shouldn't have "unmerged" them. Should have unvarianted them. (I'll do it.) Also, how can a copy of an interview be a piece of INTERIORART? I must be missing something. Mhhutchins 23:50, 20 October 2014 (UTC)
I see now. It's a facsimile reproduction. I misinterpreted "copy" as "reprint". Thanks. Mhhutchins


You've made several submissions lately that have had bad HTML in the Note fields. I've fixed them when I've caught them. You're not leaving a space in the anchor link, looking like this: "ahref". Here's the latest. You can see how it doesn't link. (There's also a "T" missing in the title.) Ordinarily a moderator won't see these bad links when looking over a submission, but this one stuck out because of the missing letter. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:58, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael. I fixed that one. Bob 23:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

The Frazetta Sketchbook

I am afraid the two Import Contents submissions for The Frazetta Sketchbook had to be rejected because one of the to-be-imported title records no longer existed. My guess is that it was merged with another title after you created the Import submissions, but I am not 100% sure. Could you please try again? Thanks! Ahasuerus 02:36, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Whoops! Done. Thanks. Bob 20:40, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Frank Frazetta Art and Remembrances

Approved, but there are a couple of typos in the contents, "rank" for Frank and "onwared" for onward. I'd fix 'em myself, but figured I should leave it to you in case they exist in the actual book Dwarzel 01:06, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. I've been doing that a lot lately for some reason. Thanks for catching these. Bob 03:47, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

"The Definitive Frazetta Reference", by Bond et. al.

I accepted your submission for this book. (You entered one of the essay authors as "Cr. David Winiewicz", which I corrected to "Dr. David Winiewicz".) I wonder about Andrew Steven as an author. WorldCat lists him as such, but they list everybody associated with a book as an author. If he only loaned the images used in the book, as implied by your note, that wouldn't really make him an "author" -- i.e. if he didn't write any of the actual text. So it seems to me, at least, that Steven should be limited to the notes, and not as an author. Chavey 08:45, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Steven is credited on the title page as an author, although both his and Winiewicz's name are in smaller letters than Bond's. In the acknowledgements Bond indicates that Steven made significant contributions beyond the illustrations, although not text. J. David Spurlock is also given credit with Winiewicz and Steven on the copyright page as a "Contributing Editor", but not on the title page, so I did not include his name as an editor. Bob 21:17, 25 October 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! I added a note with a slightly compressed version of what you said onto the title record for this book. (In case anyone else wonders.) Chavey 21:29, 25 October 2014 (UTC)

Windy City Pulp Stories #14

Are the contents as provided in this record representative of the credits as given in the publication? Are "cover" and "interior art" and the quotation marks part of the titles as published? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 16:42, 27 October 2014 (UTC)

Each of the illustrations has a caption rather than a credit. The quotation marks are as given, but interior art is not given. The name of the story and the publication and date are given, and they are interior art for the magazines. Cover and cover illustration is given for some, others simply have the printing over the illustration showing that it is a cover. Bob 18:17, 27 October 2014 (UTC)


Please confirm the ISBN given in this record is correct. If it's as stated in the publication, explain that in the Note field, and add a "#" before the number in the ISBN/Catalog # field so that the error message won't be displayed. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:44, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Transposed numbers corrected. Also added scan. Thanks, Michael. Bob 01:55, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Duplicate ISBNs

Can you confirm the ISBN given in this publication? The same number was used in this one and I confirmed that with the Amazon Look Inside. It's quite possible that the publisher screwed up. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:08, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

Michael, the publications you cite are the same. The pub does not have a ISBN in or on it. However, the trade version ISBN is 978-1-59929-022-5, the deluxe cloth version is 978-1-59929-023-2 (both on the dust jacket), so 978-1-59929-024-9 makes sense. It is also the ISBN I have in my own records, which probably came from the publisher's website. I looked on, but none of the leather versions are for sale right now. Bob 01:20, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, I duplicated the URL of the links. The second should be this record which was published by another imprint of the same publisher. Since the ISBN isn't stated in the actual publication, and without a secondary source, I suggest moving it from the ISBN field to the Note field (per ISFDB standards) and citing your records as the source. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:19, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. I'll move the ISBN, but the ISBN for the first printing of the Spectrum TP is 1-887424-28-8. Seems strange that the ISBN changed for a later printing. Bob 12:53, 31 October 2014 (UTC)
Some publishers do that, probably more often than someone would think, especially after more than 11 years. It even has new cover art, so they probably consider it more like a new edition. Mhhutchins 15:19, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

The Secret People

I am not sure I understand the "Note to Moderator" re: "The Secret People. It reads "This isn't Wyndham's novel, but Harris'", but both "John Beynon" and "John B. Harris" were John Wyndham's pseudonyms. His full name was "John Wyndham Parkes Lucas Beynon Harris" and he used various permutations like "Lucas Parkes" as pseudonyms. Or did you perhaps have some other Harris in mind? Ahasuerus 05:43, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

Mea culpa. Withdrawn. Bob 13:36, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
No worries! :-) Ahasuerus 16:32, 1 November 2014 (UTC)

The Virginia Edition and the Vance Integral Edition

Can you confirm that the first six volumes of The Virginia Edition (as published by Meisha Merlin) have the same ISBN? And is that also true for all volumes of the Vance Integral Edition? (We have a new clean-up report which finds publication records with the same ISBN but with different titles.) Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 01:10, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Confirmed for both. Meisha Merlin goes so far as to actually say the entire Edition has a single ISBN (although there are three different ones for three types, cloth, leather and extra). The Vance just has the same ISBN in each volume. I don't know if the other types of the Vance Integral Edition have different ISBNs. Bob 15:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the info. I'll remove those records from the report so that no one will bug you about the duplicate ISBNs in the future. Mhhutchins 17:32, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Three Lines of Old French by A. Merritt

I'm holding a submission from a new editor who wants to change the publisher of this record from "Milheim" to "Bizarre". The submitter indicates that the book was published in Millheim, Pennsylvania, and that's not the publisher's name. Can you confirm or deny this? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:57, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

This OCLC record agrees with the above editor. Mhhutchins 20:59, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

I don't believe I entered that information; I verified an earlier entry. The pub has no information at all on who the publisher is or where or when it was printed; that information probably came from Currey. In any case, the editor is correct that Milheim is wrong. Currey says that the pub is in the "Bizarre Series" and is "Bizarre #1"; if that makes Bizarre the publisher, then I agree. Bob 21:29, 3 November 2014 (UTC)

"The Cask of Amontillado by Edgar Allen Poe" in "The Second Book of Virgil Finlay

A quick question about "The Cask of Amontillado by Edgar Allen Poe" in The Second Book of Virgil Finlay. Is Poe's middle name really spelled "Allen" in the text? Ahasuerus 16:23, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Ouch! No, corrected. Bob 17:50, 4 November 2014 (UTC)
Approved, thanks! Ahasuerus 17:58, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

"Almost Immortal"

Right after approving your submission which changed this INTERIORART title from "Almost Immortal" to "1939 — Almost Immortal", I realized that the title record exists in two verified pubs: Famous Fantastic Mysteries, November 1939 and The Third Book of Virgil Finlay. Since these pubs apparently use different captions, I think we need to split our record into two and create a variant relationship. Would you agree? Ahasuerus 01:38, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Absolutely! I was just waiting for the approval on the title change. I would make the magazine illustration the base and the book version the variant. Bob 02:41, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Done! Ahasuerus 03:15, 5 November 2014 (UTC)
Thank you! Bob 04:42, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

1951 — Diaper Delinquents by Kerrmit Shelby

Re: "1951 — Diaper Delinquents by Kerrmit Shelby", is Shelby's first name really spelled "Kerrmit" with two "rs"? Ahasuerus 06:16, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Duh! Fixed. Thanks! Bob 19:08, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Misspelled titles in The Second Book of Virgil Finlay

I have put 4 submissions dealing with misspelled INTERIORART titles in The Second Book of Virgil Finlay on hold. Is my understanding correct that each one of these illustrations has a caption and the caption is misspelled? If so, wouldn't we want to enter them the way they appear in the book since they will be varianted to their parent records anyway?

Similarly, the proposed change to The Great Ego (2) would change the title to "1944 — The Great Ego by Norman A. Daniels" with a note that that "Author cited as "Norman Daniels"". Wouldn't we want to give the caption as it appears in the book and explain the error in Note? Ahasuerus 06:40, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

I was torn about how to handle these. I had trouble finding the relevant published stories because of the misspellings. At one point, I was correcting misspellings by creating new variants with the correct spellings, but it seems wrong somehow to create variants just to correct an editor's misspellings. In these cases, though, that isn't necessary because the correctly spelled items already exist in the data base. I have no qualms about cancelling the submission for "The Damoiselle d'Ys" because the variant appears explicitly. The other submissions do not have explicit variants (when you look at the contents list, the correct information does not appear), the correct title or author name appear only in the notes. If you look up the correct title, you won't find the item in the Finlay books. Should I make new variants correcting the spelling for the three with bad titles (Arc, Arc [2] & Pharaoh)? I'll cancel all the existing submissions. Bob 19:32, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
First, let me make sure that I understand the reason why these INTERIORART records can't be varianted. Is that because we are not sure which title they correspond to? For example, the note in "1937 — The Last Pharoah" reads "From Weird Tales, May 1937 or one of the three subsequent issues", so I assume that we don't know which illustration was reprinted in "The Book of Virgil Finlay", right? If so, then I agree that we can't create a variant. I would suggest that we use the misspelled title and explain the nature of the misspelling and the reason why we can't create a variant in the Note field. Ahasuerus 22:11, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
Your understanding is correct; there are more than one illustration associated with the story and without the original source, I can't figure out which illustration is in the book. I've explained the misspellings in the notes, but have not explained why no variant was created. I don't see that's necessary because if anyone goes to the notes, they can connect to the original publication and see for themselves that there are multiple illustrations for the story. Bob 22:19, 6 November 2014 (UTC)
That's OK, I am just a big fan of notes :-) Ahasuerus 22:36, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

The Fourth Book of Virgil Finlay

I have approved the addition of new INTERIORART records to The Fourth Book of Virgil Finlay, but please note that the submission included multiple typos like "Save Your Confeerate Money, Boys by RoselG. Brown". Ahasuerus 08:04, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

No surprise. I hope to catch those as I go through to variant and note (although I will occasionally miss one there as well). Bob 19:38, 6 November 2014 (UTC)

Weirdbook 17

In your verified pub Weirdbook 17 with your permission I'd like to add the note "The Entity from Before Creation is given as Entity from Beyond Creation" in the ToC. Also I'd like to change the title of the two ending interior art records from "Untitled" to "Weirdbook 17". Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 04:37, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

:Go to it, Doug!  Thanks. Bob 21:14, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
Done! Doug / Vornoff 16:51, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

Virginia Edition again

A couple more to check: does Letters: Volume III have the same ISBN as Nonfiction, Volume II? Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:51, 7 November 2014 (UTC)

Confirm the two pubs have the same ISBN. Bob 23:36, 7 November 2014 (UTC)
I've added notes to each record to prevent any future inquiries about the duplication. Mhhutchins 17:33, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

The Confusion

Added some notes to your Primary3 verified pub regarding credits for the epigraphs, cover design, interior minor art. I also included the Canadian price and the line number text. Fuhsaz 20:16, 8 November 2014 (UTC)

: Cool! Bob 21:06, 8 November 2014 (UTC)


From the help documentation:

  • Novel length works (40,000+ words) printed as a single installment in a magazine are treated as serials and given the date of the issue in which they appear; the Title Type is "Serial" and the text "(Complete Novel)", preceded by a space, is appended to the title.

Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:21, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

But Michael, this novel was never printed in multiple steps, only as a novel in the one magazine, then in a series of books. I'll take your word for the silly standard, of course, and it makes sense when the novel is serialized elsewhere, but it makes no sense in cases like this where it was never serialized. Bob 01:05, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
Don't shoot the messenger. I wasn't involved with creating the usage. Silly or otherwise, it's the standard, and is used for 2000+ records in the database. (Do a search for "(Complete Novel)" in the title field of fiction-typed records.) If you're not familiar with the term serial rights, it might be hard to understand that any publication in a periodical can be considered a serial, regardless of the number of parts into which the work was split. I suppose that was one of the original reasons for calling them serials. And the fact that the NOVEL type is restricted to book publications. A NOVEL can not be a content record in a MAGAZINE-typed publication. It causes all matter of software conflicts. Sorry. Mhhutchins 01:45, 9 November 2014 (UTC)
It can be counter-intuitive, but there is actually a method to this madness :-) as described in Help:Use of the SERIAL type. Ahasuerus 01:15, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Cover: Oriental Stories, December-January 1931

Please see Cover: Oriental Stories, December-January 1931: The cover title is "December-January 1931", but the publication is "October-November 1930". I would have just changed the cover to match the publication. However, you have two interiorart records varianted to it. If the interart is also for "October-November 1930", then you can simply rename the cover title record. If the interart is for "December-January 1931", then you will need to switch them to a new parent and then rename the cover title record. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 14:22, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for finding this silly error. The two interiorart items are indeed for Dec-Jan, and need to have variants changed. I've changed the name of the cover and detached the variants; once approved, I'll revariant the interiorart. Bob 18:43, 9 November 2014 (UTC)

Checkmate for Aradjo

Let me make sure that I understand the situation correctly. "Checkmate for Aradjo" by Vinlay and Summers first appeared in Amazing Stories, December 1951. It was reprinted in The Fourth Book of Virgil Finlay as by Finlay alone, where it appeared twice: once on page 31 and then again on the back cover.

Is that about right? If so, then I will approve your submission, which will make the "back cover" title record a variant of the "page 31" title record. I will then make the "page 31" record a variant of the 1951 original title, which will automatically convert the "back cover record" to a variant of the 1951 record. Does this sound like a plan? Ahasuerus 04:39, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Sounds perfect to me! Bob 18:42, 10 November 2014 (UTC)
Done! Ahasuerus 19:22, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Howard's The Pool of the Black One

I corrected the ISBN of Howard's The Pool of the Black One per this discussion. I also corrected a small typo in the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 13:22, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Obviously, I missed it too. Thanks, Ron! Bob 18:44, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Publess Virgil Finlay titles

There are about three dozen title records of INTERIORART by Finlay which were created as contents, and then removed from a publication record. These are now in the database without attached pubs and should be deleted from the database. Some can be found by using the "Check for Duplicate Titles". Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:02, 11 November 2014 (UTC)

Done. I've never used "Check for Duplicate Titles" before. Interesting tool! Thank you, Michael. Bob 18:18, 11 November 2014 (UTC)
FYI, there are two versions of "Check for Duplicate Titles". One is author-specific; it is available from the Summary Bibliography page. The other is publication-specific; it is available from the Publication page. The latter was added just a few months ago and is best leveraged once a New Publication submission has been approved. Ahasuerus 23:49, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

1937 — Symphony of the Damned by john R. Speer

A quick question about "1937 — Symphony of the Damned by john R. Speer". Is the first name of the author capitalized, by chance? Ahasuerus 15:23, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Sure is! Thanks!! Bob 23:40, 14 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, fixed. Ahasuerus 23:49, 14 November 2014 (UTC)

Tough Guys & Dangerous Dames

Bob, in your PV'd pub you list the author of Homicide Hunch as Robert Lislie Bellem, not Robert Leslie Bellem. Is that how it's printed on the title page? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 20:38, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Nope, it is indeed Leslie! Thank you, Doug. Bob 22:21, 17 November 2014 (UTC)

Frazetta Index Bonanza

Please see the two publications of Frazetta Index Bonanza. You have verified both publications. The first publication has a cover image and only 2 contents. The second publication has no cover image and more contents. Otherwise, these publications seem identical (both first editions; same ISBN, price, format, etc). Are there really two separate publications? -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:00, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Don't know how that happened, but there indeed is only one pub. Bob 03:11, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Robert E. Howard's Witch from Hell's Kitchen

Is Witch from Hell's Kitchen the same story as The Witch from Hell's Kitchen? If so, please double check the absence of the "The" and either variant or merge as appropriate. If not, please add notes. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 03:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

Varianted. Thank you! Bob 04:26, 18 November 2014 (UTC)

El Borak and Other Desert Adventures

Hi Bob. In this pub I don't understand why you have Ruth Keegan entered twice as the cover artist as well as the interior artist. Also, for p. 523 you have the quote in your title as ("Feel over the edge, dog...") when it actually reads "Feel the edge, dog...". Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 07:08, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Fixed, Doug. Thanks! I have found several cases recently where entries got repeated this way and haven't been able to figure out how it happens. The quote was just silly. Bob 07:18, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Hey, Bob looks like you still have Ruth as the 2nd and 3rd cover artist! :). Doug / Vornoff 16:35, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I "fixed" it a second time; I haven't a clue as to why it didn't work the first time. Bob 19:47, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Not to beat a dead horse, but nothing changed. I think it might be that there are two titles for the same book, one with Jim and Ruth as Cover artists, and one with Ruth only. I went to the Show all titles page and maybe if you merge the two El Borak and Other Desert Adventures titles, keeping the one with the two cover credits, the problem might be solved. How two records showed up is anyone's guess. On a cursory glance, it looks like there may be others like it. Am I missing something? What do you think? Doug / Vornoff 21:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I put a note on the "Help" page, referring back to this discussion. I have no clue what is going on and I am reluctant to try merges. Bob 22:41, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Please read my explanation of this bug, and how to repair the records. Mhhutchins 23:37, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Introduction: Shortstory vs. Essay

Usually, the introduction to a book is an essay, but your verified The Complete Action Stories lists its introduction as a fictional short story. Could you check this and, if it really is a short story, add a title note to the Introduction record noting something like "Fictional introduction"? And of course if it actually is an essay, then correct it? Thanks,

Fixed. Thanks for finding this. Bob 15:02, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Old or Od?

Hello, Bob! Could you please check the spelling of this title? Thanks, Christian Stonecreek 21:16, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

That is indeed the spelling in the pub. Probably an editor error. Bob 00:31, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Virgil Finlay's Phantasms

A quick question about Virgil Finlay's Phantasms: is the first initial in "The Angry Street, C. K. Chesterton. 1947." really "C" as opposed to "G"? Ahasuerus 14:57, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

It is a "G". I really need a new glasses prescription! Bob 16:47, 22 November 2014 (UTC)

Merritt's The Ship of Ishtar

I've added content items for the interior illustrations to the Borden printing of The Ship of Ishtar. I've also added a Worldcat link in the notes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:54, 23 November 2014 (UTC)

Ron, I've added variants to illustrations 2-5 from The Book of Virgil Finlay, but I have a problem with the first illustration. It was used as the cover of the TP version of that book, and I like to use any covers as the basis for other variants since these can be viewed in the database. But you have already attached another variant to that illustration. Would you mind making that illustration in The Ship of Ishter and its variant into variants of that cover? Bob 21:50, 26 November 2014 (UTC)
I would actually disagree with making variants as you suggest. My logic is that the parent title should be the first publication. In this case, since the illustrations was originally published as interior artwork in 1949 it wouldn't make since to show the 1949 item as a variant of a cover first published in 1976. I've made COVERART titles variants of INTERIORART titles in the past (e.g. here) and they do display properly in the Interior Art section of the bibliography. As I believe you say, you won't be able to see the thumbnails of the COVERART titles when viewing the parent title. However, I don't think that should be the basis for basis for deciding which is the parent title. If you feel this is desirable, I think a better solution would be to display thumbnails for variant titles that are COVERART when viewing an INTERIORART title and I've just added a feature request to accomplish that (assuming I navigated Sourceforge correctly). --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
I understand your point of view. Your suggested solution would be excellent, solving the problems completely. I really would like to be able to see the thumbnail, and I'm not really very happy with subordinating the original appearance. I'll just make the cover a variant for now. Bob 17:14, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

The Glendower Conspiracy

Added better scan and some notes to The Glendower Conspiracy.SFJuggler 01:05, 25 November 2014 (UTC)

Excellent! Bob 21:53, 26 November 2014 (UTC)

The Collectors' Book of Virgil Finlay

I have approved the submission, but could you please double check if there is another hyphen in "The Black-and Whites"? Also, shouldn't the binding be "hc" rather than "unknown"? Ahasuerus 01:38, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

Fixed both. Thanks! Bob 01:54, 27 November 2014 (UTC)

"The Best of Fritz Leiber"

I accepted your submission, but then corrected the publisher from "Guild America Books / SFBC" to "GuildAmerica Books / SFBC", which is how we have all other BCE books of this publisher listed. Chavey 05:18, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. Didn't know that. Bob 12:49, 30 November 2014 (UTC)

Virgil Finlay's Phantasms

Re the contents of this publication: Shouldn't they be varianted to the record of the original publication of the work, instead of being varianted to a reprint in an earlier Finlay collection? Mhhutchins 03:56, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

For example: this should be varianted to this and not this. Then you wouldn't have to add links in the note fields of the reprints. Mhhutchins 04:01, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

The problem is that the item Finlay illustrated in this case was a novelette, not a short story. For some magazines, the verifier has entered multiple illustrations for the longer stories, but not in the case of Galaxy. I didn't know if there was more than a single illustration for the story, so I didn't want to variant the illustration in the Finlay collection to the single illustration credit in the magazine. It may be that there is only one illustration for the novelette, but I don't know that. For short stories, or for longer works where the illustration is obviously the first one because of blank spaces in the illustration itself, or is a two-page illustration, I can variant to the original magazine appearance. But when I'm not sure, I use the link instead and variant to an earlier Finlay collection where one is available. Bob 10:00, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

The Robert E. Howard Foundation Newsletter, Fall 2014

There are two content records for the poem "Laughter in the Gulfs" in this record. Because of software limitations only one is visibly displayed. You'll have to edit the pub to see the second appearance. Thanks. Mhhutchins 08:14, 1 December 2014 (UTC)

Fixed. I run into this limitation a lot with illustrations. Bob 10:03, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

L. E. Modesitt, Jr. - The Ecolitan Operation - Dual ISBNs

I'm directing this to you since the primary verifier of The Ecolitan Operation is no longer active. You are given as primary2.

I notice that the copyright page has 2 ISBNs, 0-812-54582-6 and 0-812-54583-4 (Can.). May proceed with a note mentioning this, or would you prefer to do this yourself? DStandsh 20:20, 2 December 2014 (UTC)

Please, be my guest! Bob 21:38, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, I've submited that addition. DStandsh 17:24, 3 December 2014 (UTC)

British pricing

The price given in this record should have been entered as "9/6" per the ISFDB standard of entering pre-decimalization British prices. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:44, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Michael. I do forget when I don't use a feature for a while. Bob 00:58, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

The Howard Review #14

Hi, Bob. In your pv'd pub you have two interior art titles by Alicia Austin that are identical on pp. 24 & 36 which are showing up as duplicates. You might want to disambiguate these as you did for some of the others. Doug / Vornoff 06:22, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Good idea, Doug! Done. Bob 21:48, 4 December 2014 (UTC)

Zahn's A Coming of Age

I've added this publication to the publication series "A Bluejay International Edition". Please confirm that this is present in your copy. Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:34, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Can you also check your copy of Spinneret to see if it should also be placed into the series? Mhhutchins 03:06, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Both are, Michael, as is Cascade Point and Other Stories. Bob 06:12, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

Elizabeth Moon: Liar's Oath

I'm directing this to you as primary2 becuase the primary verifier is no longer active.

Looking at Liar's Oath I see that pages has 471+[1]. The [1] seems to have been used for the last page of the novel, which is unnumbered. I think pages should be 472, perhaps with a note stating that the last page is unnumbered. Do you have any objections to my making that change? Thanks. DStandsh 21:09, 5 December 2014 (UTC)

No problem at all; please go ahead and make the change. Bob 00:28, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, change submitted. DStandsh 00:35, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
FYI, I found out that my interpretation is not universal. Edit rejected. DStandsh 02:50, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm surprised. I ran into this very early in my participation in ISFDB, and made the change with the agreement of the primary verifier (who is also a moderator). Maybe that was a special case; the page without a number at the end of the pub was also for a new chapter, and in that pub the first pages of chapters were never numbered. But I agree with your interpretation. Bob 01:00, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

REH: Two Gun Raconteur #3

Hi, Bob. In your verified pub the two interior art contents for Don Herron are showing up as duplicates so they might be in need of disambiguation. Also I notice the one on the ibc shows up at the top. If you used the pipe figure in the page number (like perhaps ibc|40 ) wouldn't that sort it down to in front of the bc art? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 06:42, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Found another pair here that are candidates for disambiguation. I'm really not trying to hound you with these, Bob, but they just keep popping up. BTW, I envy you your collection of Fantasy Newsletter. Wish I'd gotten more of that type mag way back when. Doug / Vornoff 15:14, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Changes submitted. Doug, I really appreciate you finding these so they can be corrected/disambiguated. The problem with fanzines is always finding out they exist. I've often had to hunt down back issues after discovering the existence of them. The internet has made collecting them much, much easier. Bob 00:49, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
The REH pub still looks wonky to me, Bob, uness I'm seeing things wrong. The way you have the Herron interior art now is -

ibc REH: Two-Gun Raconteur #3 [2] (this shows at the top of the contents)
ibc|41 REH: Two-Gun Raconteur #3 (this shows up at the bottom, before the bc) I think what it should look like depends on whether there there are two art pieces on the ibc or if you meant for one to be on the ifc. If the former, I'd put -
ibc|41.1 REH: Two-Gun Raconteur #3
ibc|41.2 REH: Two-Gun Raconteur #3 [2]
If the latter, I'd put -
ifc REH: Two-Gun Raconteur #3
ibc|41 REH: Two-Gun Raconteur #3 [2]
Hopefully I haven't confused you as much as I've confused myself ;) Doug / Vornoff 16:27, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

I think the pagination got messed up because the two items were not originally disambiguated. I've changed the content to reflect that one item is on the inside of the front cover and the other on the inside of the back cover. I hope it works as planned this time. Bob 20:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)
It worked! Looks good now. Doug / Vornoff 23:05, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

De Camp's "The Stone of the Witch-Queen"

I've corrected the title of De Camp's "The Stone of the Witch-Queen" appearing in Weirdbook 12. We were missing the hyphen. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:05, 6 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Ron. Bob 00:15, 7 December 2014 (UTC)

Prologue in The Deed of Paksenarrion

Re this record. We usually don't create separate content records for prologues since they are an inseparable part of a novel. Is there a special reason for having a separate record here? Mhhutchins 23:39, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Another editor has confirmed that this prologue is essentially the same one used for the standalone edition of the first novel (Sheepfarmer's Daughter). It should be removed from the publication record and deleted from the database. Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:25, 9 December 2014 (UTC)

I thought it was original to the trilogy, so included it. I've removed it from the pub, and will delete it once that is approved. Bob 00:46, 13 December 2014 (UTC)
I also found the prologue in the Easton Press copy of Sheepfarmer's Daughter and removed it. It again needs to be deleted once the edit is approved. Bob 14:02, 13 December 2014 (UTC)

Strange Science art rename

Hi Bob. See the submission I have on hold. The others just changed "Strange Science" to "Virgil Finlay's Strange Science". This one also would change 19 -> 21. I figured I should double-check. Thanks. --MartyD 12:42, 21 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, Marty. You're correct. I've made the change, cancelled the earlier edit. Bob 03:26, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Are the actual titles "Black and white illustration"? If they're not titled, just used the title "Strange Science" with disambiguating numbers, which is the ISFDB standard for titling untitled works. Mhhutchins 19:00, 21 December 2014 (UTC)
Michael, that is exactly the title given to each of those illustrations (obviously ambiguous) in the Underwood-Miller pubs. Bob 03:26, 22 December 2014 (UTC)

The Collectors' Book of Virgil Finlay

This title record credited "Robert T. Garcia" while the publication records credited "Robert E. Garcia". I made them match. Did I choose the right middle initial? Mhhutchins 08:27, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, you did! I have a tendency to stick my own middle initial in after "Robert". Thanks, Michael. Bob 09:50, 23 December 2014 (UTC)

Rene Zwaga vs Rene Zwagor

Hi, in your verified copy of Spectrum 15: The Best in Contemporary Fantastic Art you have contributed credits to a Rene Zwaga (twice) and to Rene Zwagor (once). Is the latter a typo of the former?--Dirk P Broer 01:44, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

That's the way the artist is credited by the illustrations, but all three are by Zwega. I made Zwegor a variant and a pseudonym. Occasional misspelling the artists names seems to be a characteristic of the Spectrum series. Bob 22:09, 25 December 2014 (UTC)

Finlay's Far Beyond

I see you're adding contents to the hardcover edition of this, when there is already a record for the trade paperback with contents. Were those contents incorrectly entered? Creating another set of titles that have to be varianted or merged seems like a lot of unnecessary work. Mhhutchins 22:04, 30 December 2014 (UTC)

I believe they are incorrectly entered. The tp contents shows only the name of the story Finlay was illustrating, but the captions on the illustrations include the title of the story, the author's name and the year (not always correct). I've entered the full captions for the other Finlay books, and Ron has shortcut his contents for the latest Finlay book (The Collector's Book of Virgil Finlay). Using only the story name makes it possible to merge the illustration title with the original citation; when the entire caption is used, the new one has to be a variant of the original. I also noticed at least one of the tp Far Beyond illustrations was merged with an incorrect original (fixed that a few days ago). It's certainly easier to just use the story name, but I don't think it's correct. Once I had finished the hc entries, I was going to notify the tp verifier of what I had done so that he could copy what my entries if he wanted to. I was not planning to variant my entries to his unless he chose to retain his contents. Also, I notice that the notes for the tp are full of illustrations that the verifier could not place, but that I can because I've done the other Finlay books. Bob 23:51, 30 December 2014 (UTC)
Sounds like a good plan. The PV editor of the tp edition is no longer active, so feel free to remove ALL contents from his record, and then import ALL contents from yours. (I'm assuming that they're identical, of course.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 00:06, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Facsimile of the December 1934 Weird Tales

I've expanded the titles of the letters in the December 1934 issue of Weird Tales, which are also included in your verified facsimile of that issue. I also made a few other changes which you may want to consider: I added the coming soon, the letter by Anger and Brosnatch's Eyrie illustration. Additionally, I corrected the page number of Smith's illustration for his story "Xeethra". The illustration appears on page 727. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Also the letters in the June 1938 issue with your facsimile here. For this issue I also added the artwork at the bottom of page 664 and the coming soon on the inside back cover. You may not have the latter, as I believe that the Girosol reprints omit the inside covers in favor of their own ads. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:39, 3 January 2015 (UTC)
Ron, I added the items to the December 1934 issue and changed the page for the Smith illustration. You're right about the "missing" inside cover items for the Girosol reprints, so no change there. Bob 23:30, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

The Exorcists of IF

Please take a look at this proposal and leave a comment. Stonecreek 16:50, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

O.K. Bob 17:07, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Spectrum 15

Are the two pieces titled "Heavenly Sword" on pages 25 and 158 of this record the same work? And can you confirm that one is credited as "Allessandro" while the other is credited as "Alessandro"? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 04:09, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Different illustrations, same name, presumably because they were created for the same computer game of that name. I misspelled the author's name the second time. Fixed. Bob 18:52, 6 January 2015 (UTC)

Finlay's Femmes

Re this publication: several of the works in this collection are varianted to works with later printings. Shouldn't it be the other way around? Mhhutchins 21:40, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

True. But then the illustrations in the first pub would have no identification visible. The problem is that the plates in that pub are in the order they were when I bought the pub, but have no markings on them to indicate the original order they were issued in. This troubles me, so I decided to at least put a reference label on them that others could look up. Should I reverse the variants? Bob 21:46, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
The first publication of a work is the parent record. A record for a later printing of that work under a different name or author credit is a variant record. 5 of the 8 works in this collection have earlier printing dates than their parent records, which is not the ISFDB standard. If any of these works were published before their appearance in Finlay's Femmes, they should be variant records. If this is the first publication of any (or all) of these works, they should be parent records. So yes, until you can determine the dates of their publications, you should reverse the variants. Mhhutchins 22:14, 7 January 2015 (UTC)
All fixed. Bob 23:14, 7 January 2015 (UTC)

Elderwood Scion

If this artwork was miscredited, it's best to make the correction in the artist credit, instead of creating a variant. A variant requires a pseudonym and it wouldn't make sense to make "Karla Ortiz" into a pseudonym of Nils Hamm. (Unless they are the same person!) There is more leniency in miscrediting of works of art than works of fiction. Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:14, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

o.k. Bob 18:24, 8 January 2015 (UTC)

Changing author credits in pub records

When you change the author credits in a pub record, don't forget to also change the author credits of that publication's title record. I've added the two editors into the author fields of this title record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:22, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Same thing when you change the date field of a publication record. If it differs from the date field of the title record, and there are no earlier publications under that title record, you should also update the date field of the title record. Mhhutchins 07:24, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

:Thank you, Michael.  I knew that, but had forgotten. Bob 17:15, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

The Collectors' Book of Virgil Finlay

I've finished with my adjustments to the content records, so any further edits are all yours. I've also imported the contents into the "trade" edition. You may want to delete this title. I had added this with the title given in the bibliography here. If you do delete it from the pub, you should also subsequently delete the title record, since it will then be orphaned. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 16:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Virgil Finlay...A Portfolio of Illustrations

Submission adding this publication was accepted, but I'm not sure that the titling of the contents follows the ISFDB standards. Since the plates aren't number, and the sequence is not known, they should be titled for the publication they illustrate: "Virgil Finlay...A Portfolio of Illustrations" with disambiguating numbers for each. Also, no page numbers should be given because it implies an order. I would also suggest adding a note to indicate Mike McGrath's role in the publication. Thanks. Mhhutchins 19:11, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I'll remove the page numbers, that makes sense. I needed place-holders for the illustrations, so I used plate numbers. I was intending to variant them to the other publications, using the originals where I know them. I don't mind replacing them where I can, but there are two that I haven't been able to match yet. I'll try to chase these down; I have a dozen other portfolios and books to enter yet that feature Finlay illustrations, and swfritter has pointed me to another on-line resource that appears promising. So for now Finlay pubs are a work-in-progress. Bob 19:36, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
In case you're looking to match illustrations with those that appeared in magazines which haven't been primary verified, you may find some of the issues on which offers full scans of many pulp magazines. Mhhutchins 20:09, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, Michael. That may indeed prove useful, even for some that have been verified. Bob 20:14, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure why or maybe if you were aware of doing it, but you removed McGrath's credit from the title record when you removed the page numbers from the plates. The author credit of the publication record must be identical to the author credit of the title record. Mhhutchins 21:18, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I removed McGrath's name from the title record and the pub, which is what I thought you asked me to do. I put it back. Bob 22:30, 11 January 2015 (UTC)
I asked you to add a note explaining why McGrath is credited in a collection of Finlay drawings. Nothing in that request asks you to change the credit itself. If you chose to remove his credit from the title, you should have also removed it from the pub, as I explained in the second message. The option of changing the credit is yours. The title record just had to be consistent with the pub record. Mhhutchins 23:11, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

I don't understand. Now these plates have titles? How can they not have titles (as stated in the note field), but you gave them titles in the contents? And one of them (Ariel's Song) is a variant of an identically titled record. How can that be? Mhhutchins 03:21, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Again, I misunderstood your original point. Sorry. Fixed. Bob 20:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

The Silmarillion

You have verified publications of this title so this discussion should be of interest. Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:31, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Use of ellipses

You've had a recent run of new publications that use an ellipsis in the titles. They're from different publishers which makes it even more unusual. Is there an ellipsis actually present in the titles of these publications?

Virgil Finlay...A Portfolio of Illustrations (1953)
Virgil Finlay...A Portfolio of Illustrations (1965)
Virgil Finlay...A Portfolio of His Unpublished Illustrations (1971)

If you're adding the ellipsis to indicate a subtitle, that's done with a colon, even if that colon isn't present in the actual publication's title.

Also the third series of this title was entered as FANZINE, while the first two were entered as NONFICTION. Is that correct? (Fannish publications aren't necessarily fanzines, which implies a periodical publication.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

FANZINE was a mistake, should also have been NONFICTION. Fixed. Yes, the ellipses are part of the given titles. If you look closely at the uploaded cover scan here you can see them on this pub cover. Bob 13:12, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Those image files weren't linked when I asked. About the pub binding for these. The first one labeled "tp" appears to be closer to "ph", and the second and third ones should probably be typed as "other" as they have no binding (being a portfolio which is not an option in the dropdown menu). About the FANZINE, when you change the type of a publication record, you have to also change the type of its title record. This isn't don't automatically by the system. Otherwise the title reference won't appear on the publication record. I'll fix it. Mhhutchins 18:23, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
That one was linked, but not a big deal. I agree that "tp" was a mistake, which I realized later. Now fixed. I never used "other" before, but I've changed the portfolios to that designation. I'll look back in the Frazetta portfolios to see how they were defined. Fixed the "FANZINE" title as well. Bob 18:57, 13 January 2015 (UTC)
Apparently I did use "other" for the Frazetta portfolios. My memory stinks. Bob 19:02, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Virgil Finlay: The Art of Things to Come: Illustrations for the Science Fiction Book Club

It would be pushing the definition to call this a pamphlet. I would suggest changing the binding to "Other". That binding was added for publications that don't fit comfortably into the other bindings. The editor then has to describe the publication in the Note field (as you did.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:16, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Fixed this one likewise. Bob 18:58, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

Reassigning variants

When you want to move a variant record from one parent record to another, you can do that in one submission. For example, if record "12345" is varianted to "34567", but should be varianted to "98765", go to the title record for "12345", click on the "Make This Title a Variant..." link. On the next page change the number in the Parent# field from "34567" to "98765". It's not necessary to make one submission to break the variant (by entering "0" in the Parent# field and submitting), wait for that submission to be moderated, and then make another submission to make it into a variant of another record. This will save you some time waiting between moderation of submissions. Mhhutchins 22:02, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

I had trouble with that before; I'll try again. It sure would be easier! Bob 22:27, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

1942 — The Golden City by Ralph Milne Farley [5]

I'm puzzled about this record. First it's the parent title, but it only appears with that title in this publication. So why is it disambiguated as "[5]". That should only be used if there are four other works in the same publication with the same title. Mhhutchins 19:04, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

You apparently didn't notice, but I have disambiguated identical titles in Gerry de la Ree's Finlay art books (and also the Underwood-Miller Finlay art books) by numbering throughout the entire series. So [5] is the fifth illustration with that title, the other four are in The Second Book of Virgil Finlay. This practice really helps when I look up the original art to variant to the illustrations; it would be confusing if I had multiple titles that were not disambiguated between publications. The specific change was needed because there were two illustrations on the same page (with a single caption) in the "second book", and I originally showed only the single title on that page. To variant those two illustrations, I had to split them, creating another title to disambiguate. Bob 19:25, 19 January 2015 (UTC)
But the first four are in the same publication, thus requiring a disambiguation from each other. Because this has the same title which appears in another publication (you'd think the editors would have more imagination when titling different works of art), you could leave it as titled, adding a note to keep it from being merged with the similarly titled records in the other publication (as we do with similarly titled cover art records, for example), or you could disambiguate it with the title of the publication in which it appears. That's how we handle other titles, like introductions, etc., thus "1942 — The Golden City by Ralph Milne Farley (The Second Book of Virgil Finlay)". Having that "[5]" as part of the title just doesn't work in the context of the publication in which it appears. Mhhutchins 19:52, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Spelling of H. Beford-Jones

Hello, Bob! There's a submission in the queue to change the spelling to H. Bedford-Jones for a title that appears in two of your verified publications. Could you please check the proposal? Christian Stonecreek 07:17, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Right on. Go ahead with the change. Bob 19:07, 24 January 2015 (UTC)

Illustrations for Cholwell's Chickens and Women of the Ages

Hi Bob. See the make-variant submission that I have on hold. I just wanted to double-check that's as intended. The submission immediately before it had the same parent, so I thought it might be a paste-o. --MartyD 00:44, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, I appear to have submitted the same variant twice. It is the right variant, it's just not needed twice. I was so happy to have found the original that I got carried overboard, I guess. Thanks for noticing this. I've cancelled the submission. Bob 01:17, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

The Dark Man

You dated this record as December 2012, but titled it December 2014. If the latter is correct, you'll have to update the editor records (parent and variant), and each content record. Mhhutchins 21:37, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Shows how far behind I am. Thanks, Michael. Bob 22:05, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
As mentioned above you have to update both of the editor records (one is the variant: here), and you have to change the dates of every content within the publication. The last can be done in one edit to the publication. Mhhutchins 22:54, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Conan the Rebel

Added notes to Conan the Rebel.SFJuggler 05:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Cool! Bob 13:55, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Is your copy of Hung Out printed in US or Canada?

I'm looking at a 2nd printing of Hung Out. My copy has "Printed in Canada" on the copyright page. I trying to determine if Roc published both in the US and Canada. Is your copy printed in the US? Thanks. DStandsh 21:36, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Mine says "Printed in the United States of America". Bob 21:09, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Bob. DStandsh 02:23, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Thhe Ecolitan Operation

I have replaced the Amazon image of Modesitt's The Ecolitan Operation with a scan. Doug 16:10, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Great! Thanks. Bob 23:13, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

SubPress's A Feast for Crows

the cover art for this book was by Thomas Canty (not Cantry). May I go ahead and fix that?

Thanks Susan O'Fearna 02:01, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Oops! Sure, go ahead. Bob 23:25, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

Discworld Diary

Re This publication: If Lyn Pratchett is not explicitly credited as a co-author, and you have evidence to the contrary, you can create a variant title crediting her. The publication and its title record can only reflect the actual credit. Mhhutchins 03:28, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

There is no title page and there is no half-title page. I suppose her name wouldn't sell books, so she isn't credited on the cover. She is credited as a holder of the copyright on the copyright page, but I suppose that doesn't necessarily mean she was a co-author. So no problem. Without a title page, I suppose only the cover credit matters. Bob 22:29, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, that's the ISFDB standard and has been for awhile. Mhhutchins 23:28, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Adding page location information in a title record...

...makes no sense. If the work is reprinted in another publication what are the odds that it winds up in the same location? Data in a title record should not be publication specific. Mhhutchins 19:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Michael, that comment makes no sense. Such a note only shows up on the single title. There will never be another pub that has the same title for that illustration, so that title will never be merged, so why shouldn't the note be pub specific? I can understand why to avoid pub specific information where a title that might be used elsewhere, but can see no reason not to specify location for these particular content titles. Bob 21:53, 19 February 2015 (UTC)
If it makes no sense, then I must not have made clear what I meant. Again, notes in a title record should be specific to the title, not to the publication(s) which contains it. If an illustration (which has a title record) is printed in one publication, nothing prevents it from being reprinted in another. And how can you be sure that it will appear in the exact location of the new publication? It would be similar to adding a note in the title record of a story saying that it appears on page 29. If you're unable to understand what I mean by title records not being specific to publication records, then please take some time in learning the basic structure of the database. Mhhutchins 00:54, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
I understood you the first time. The location is specific to the title, although not to the illustration. Those titles will never appear anywhere again. Those illustrations can and do appear elsewhere, but the note never appears on those. Some title records are indeed specific to publication records. Bob 15:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
If you understood, why did you say it "makes no sense"? It's obvious you don't understand the basic structure of the database and the differences between title records and publication records. So I'm not going to waste any more of my time trying to explain it again. Mhhutchins 16:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


Re this record: Unless you have a reliable secondary source for its publication date, you should zero out the date field. Also, the page numbering for the contents should reflect the page numbers on which they appear. You can use the pipe method to order them within the book. So if both stories start on page numbered "1", the first one would be entered as "1|1" and the second one entered as "1|2". This orders how they'll be displayed in the record and still show the page numbers on which they actually appear. Mhhutchins 01:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I forgot to change the date out. I've never seen the pipe method before, but I'm happy to use it. Bob 14:57, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

"The Essential Conan", by Robert E. Howard

You verified this publication as containing interior artwork by "Vincint Napoli". It seems very likely that this is the prolific artist Vincent Napoli. Could you check on that? Thanks, Chavey 08:26, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, another of my many typos. Fixed. Thanks for finding this one. Bob 14:59, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Finlay illustration in Whispers

I've corrected Finlay's name in this title per this discussion. We had his name incorrectly spelled as "Finley". Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Ron. Appreciate you making the correction. Bob 14:57, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Victor or Viktor Koen

Can you see if this title record is correctly credited in the primary verified publication record? If so, please make "Victor" into a pseuodnym of "Viktor" and make the record into a variant of a record crediting the canonical author/artist. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:47, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

The credit is as given in the pub, although the index of artists in the back gives the correct spelling. I created the pseudonym and variant. Thank you for finding this one.Bob 00:55, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

"Irwin" or "Irvin"

Can you confirm that the poem on page 22 of this publication is correctly credited? There are two records for "Irvin" in the db. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:06, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

The name is given as "Irwin", both on the poem itself and in the TOC. It's possible that the editor made a mistake, but I can find no evidence that he did. Bob 01:00, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Could perhaps the story on page 5 of this record also be credited to "Irwin" instead of "Irvin"? Mhhutchins 18:40, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
The name is given as "Irvin" this time. TOC does not name the authors for any of the items in the pub, so no help there. Bob 20:59, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

"Bago" or "Baga"

Can you confirm the credit for the work on page 275 of this record is correct? We have many records for "Baga" and only this one "Bago". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:11, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, another of my many typos. I haven't gotten that far in this pub checking the input. Thank you for catching this one. Bob 00:50, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Very minor changes to notes on Dangerous Women

I made some very minor changes to the Notes on Dangerous Women - removed duplicate listing of LCCN, added more detail to notes on author profiles, changed story lengths on the 2 included non-genre stories. Nothing big. BungalowBarbara 04:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Cool! Thank you for taking the trouble. Bob 17:43, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Van Vogt's Triad

I'm holding your submission to change the date of this publication from 1953 to 1959. Both Tuck (page 912) and SFBC editor Andrew Wheeler's list provided to the rec.arts.sf.written newsgroup explicitly dates the SFBC edition to May 1959. In fact, there never was a retail edition of this omnibus, as far as I can tell (Tuck agrees.) Do you have a copy of the "Things to Come" flyer for May-June 1953 which you give as the source for the change? Otherwise I'll have to reject the submissions. (BTW, a gutter code of "E43" was most likely printed in October 1963. I was a member in 1974, and I don't recall that title was ever offered as a selection.) Thanks. Mhhutchins 02:39, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Mea culpa. I screwed up (again). I cancelled both submissions and will resubmit adding the gutter code only. Bob 04:10, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Myrddin, August 1975

Can you confirm that the poem on page 16 of this publication is credited to "Wayne Books" and not Wayne Hooks? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:16, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

It is indeed Wayne Hooks. Changed. Bob 23:33, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

"Wojtek Studmak" or Wojtek Siudmak

Can you confirm the credit given in this interiorart record? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:29, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Again, it is Siudmak. I misread a capital I as a T. Fixed. Bob 23:38, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Oak Leaves V1 #1

The content records of this publication should be updated to reflect the dates of the original issue's publication. I'm assuming it wasn't September 1972, since the issue is titled "Fall 1970". If the issue originally appeared in 1970, all of the original contents in this reprint should be dated 1970. At the moment, they're variously dated as 1972-09 and 1980 (excluding the reprinted 1929 poem). Mhhutchins 08:34, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael. This one caught a bunch of similar errors in the dates for the volume that collected the contents of the entire first volume. The contents were imported from that collection, where the dates were wrong for issue 12 as well as issue 1. Bob 19:56, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Frederick J. Meyer or Mayer

Can you confirm that the credit of the interviewer on page 15 of this issue is for "Meyer"? There are pieces by Frederick J. Mayer in previous issues of this fanzine. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 17:15, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Mayer it is! Bob 20:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Wayne Lo and Wayne Low

Can you confirm the credit for the artwork on page 113 of this publication? There's another work a couple of pages before credited to Wayne Lo. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 17:45, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

It should be Lo. Bob 20:06, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

William A. Conder or Condor

Is the poem on page 2 of this record correctly credited? His canonical name is William A. Conder. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 17:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Changed to Conder. Bob 20:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

"Fantasy Crossroads", Issue #8

Your verified magazine was listed with the title "Fantasy Crossroads #8, May 1976", but with a publication date of May 1978. Assuming the title and other stuff was correct (e.g. the Aug. 1976 publication date of issue #9), I changed that publication date to May, 1976. Chavey 20:47, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

And changed the dates on all of the content items from 1978 to 1976. Chavey 21:26, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Dating SERIALs

I changed the date back for the Seabury Quinn serial in this issue. SERIALs should be dated the issue in which they were first published. We only use the original date if it is an exact reprint of the previously published SERIAL and then merge the records. In this case, the Weird Tales serialization was in six parts, so it's not possible that the appearance in Magazine of Horror is a reprint of the original serial. Changing the date of the reprint would encourage another editor to incorrectly merge the two records. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:12, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Had to do the same thing with subsequent submissions that changed the publication date of the SERIAL. Also, had to disambiguate the two INTERIORART pieces in this record by James Dooley. Mhhutchins 21:15, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

BTW, can you confirm the credit for the INTERIORART records? They were credited to Joseph Doolin in Weird Tales. Mhhutchins 21:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

I noticed that both the six and three issue serials were already merged with the story. Certainly no problem with keeping the dates as originally given. I wasn't sure about disambiguating the Dooley artwork since the dates on each were different. By the last part of the serial, I had decided that disambiguation was needed when I added the (Part x of y) to the titles, and expected to go back and add it after approval. Thanks for taking care of that for me. There is no direct confirmation of the artist credit; I took the credits from the Weird Tales credits, and of course they do look like Dooley work. I know the illustrations are the same as those in the Weird Tales serial. In earlier issues of Magazine of Horror, Lowndes did give specific credits for the artwork, but eventually stopped doing so. He did state that the illustrations were adopted from the original publications when they first began to appear in Magazine of Horror, though. Bob 22:24, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Oh, now I see why you asked about the credits. I fixed them. Bob 22:34, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
If you have the original Weird Tales issues, you can variant the records of the MoH reprints to those original records. But you'll have to change the credit from "James Dooley" to Joseph Doolin. Mhhutchins 22:50, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Oops, I see you've already made submissions to correct the credit. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:53, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

It Is Written column in The Magazine of Horror

Is this a letter column? If so, could the pieces by Blosser and Jan in this issue be letters? Mhhutchins 23:54, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Gad, yes. Too much of a hurry to finish the year. Fixed. Bob 01:15, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Changing disambiguation in the Magazine of Horror contents

It's OK, but now you have to go back and change the titles of those that were varianted, i.e. the titles of all of the ones which were "uncredited" or credited to "RAWL" will now have to be changed to match those you've just changed. Look at Lowndes' summary page at the series for the "It Is Written" and "Editorial (Magazine of Horror)" columns. Mhhutchins 18:37, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Magazine of Horror, Winter 1965-66

Re this record: you say it can only have been published (thus dated) as December 1965. Why not January or February of 1966. We need a reliable secondary source to add a month of publication to the record other than the ISFDB standard of dating by year when there is no month designation within the publication. With the schedule of two-three month intervals between issues, I seriously doubt it was published a month after the preceding issue. It's likely that a disruption in production caused it to be dated as "Winter" instead of being monthly dated as the previous issues. Is there a discussion in the issue about a delay in its release? I'm holding the submission. Mhhutchins 18:43, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Cancelled. Bob 20:39, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

The Double:Bill Symposium

This is credited to William C. Mallardi and William L. Bowers. Can you confirm that the review credits it to Lloyd Biggle, Jr.? Mhhutchins 01:33, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I've added Bowers and Mallardi as authors. The text says that all three put the thing together, but credits them slightly differently as shown in the new note. Bob 02:31, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
An observation: William C. Mallardi and William L. Bowers appear to be pseudonyms; the canonical names appear to be Bill Mallardi and Bill Bowers. Bob 21:32, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Weirdbook 15

Can you confirm the credit for the artwork on page 24 of this issue? Is it "Warner" or "Werner"? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 03:10, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Both the credit and the signature are "Werner". Fixed. Bob 21:35, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

The Rithian Terror

Dirk P Broer found the cover artist for this verified pub. I added the artist and a note. --Willem 09:32, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Oh, wow. Love that cover! Thank you both. Bob 16:03, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

Craig Russell (Artist)

I have changed "Craig Russell" to "Craig Russell (Artist)" in your verified REH: Lone Star Fictioneer #3, Fall 1975. Ahasuerus 20:15, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. Thank you! Bob 23:21, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Finlay and the SFBC edition of The Foundation Trilogy

I'm holding your submission to add a note to this publication record that Virgil Finlay illustrated the September 1966 edition of this title. Since this record is for the post SFBC-ID edition of the book and appeared in April 1969. I had a copy of the SFBC edition and I don't recall that it ever had illustrations by anyone. We have another record for the pre-1969 SFBC printings of this title that includes a 1966 printing, but the verifier isn't active. Perhaps you should leave a note on the pages of the primary verifiers of the record you wish to edit to ask if the Finlay illustrations are present. (Willem H is an active moderator so he should be able to check it.) It's very unlikely that the SFBC would add illustrations for just one printing and drop them from subsequent ones. Perhaps your source is referring to another 1966 edition of the trilogy, possibly the Sidgwick & Jackson omnibus. Mhhutchins 21:14, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I found this posting which questioned the reliability of sources which cite the 1966 SFBC printing for Finlay's Foundation illustrations. I'll hold the submission until you hear from a verifier whether the illustrations appear in any of the SFBC editions. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:23, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
I used to have a copy of the SFBC edition of this pub as well, but no longer have it. As I recall, it did not have any illustrations. I almost certainly bought that pub in the early 1960s. Weinberg notes that the "Things to Come" advertisement illustrations of The Foundation Trilogy are not the same as the one's in Miller's books, and of course that's correct. The ones from "Things to Come" are in the 2005 Doug Ellis pub. These illustrations labelled as 1966 (there are 4 of them) are in the Gerry de la Ree books as well. That means the de la Ree owned the illustrations because all of the illustrations in his books were from his collection. That same collection was used to generate the Miller books and the Italian book as well. The Italian book says that the illustration used there was, "...settembre 1966. Parte di una serie di sei disegni per reclamizzare l'edizione Doubleday nello SF Book Club". So maybe the series was designed for the DD/SFBC edition, but never used. If so, the first publication for the entire series would be August 1978 in The Second Book of Virgil Finlay. Bob 23:20, 8 March 2015 (UTC)
So it appears reasonable to date them as 1978, until further evidence is unearthed. Perhaps a note of explanation in each of their parent title records as well would explain to other users that the works may have been created in 1966 but were probably unpublished before de la Ree. Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:31, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Changing the publication dates of variant records

I've noticed that you take much effort to have the publication dates of variant records match those of the parent record. That's OK (but unnecessary) for art records (after all this is a fiction database), but in changing the date for fiction you're losing valuable data. It's important to know when the first time a variant title of a work appeared. So keep that in mind when "correcting" publication dates for titles whether they are fiction or art. First determine whether losing this data is not as important as having the dates match. Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:11, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I thought the dates were supposed to match. If nobody cares if they match, I'll leave them alone. Bob 23:22, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

Virgil Finlay

Are you still entering Virgil Finlay's art credits from his art books? I just listed the contents of the Startling Stories, September 1939 facsimile issue and found a Finlay illo that hasn't been yet entered. The original pub doesn't list the illustration, so I thought I would give you a heads up on this illustration. It involves a formally dressed man shooting a rifle through a portal of time, or space, at a werewolf while another werewolf looks on. I hope that this is some help in your categorizing his works. MLB 23:54, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

I am indeed still entering Finlay art books and trying to connect the illustrations to their original appearance. Thank you for pointing this one out! Bob 01:46, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Untitled maps

...should be titled in the format "Title of Work (map)". I retitled this record from "Maps (Half the World)" to "Half the World (maps)". Maps that are titled only have to be disambiguated if there's a possibility that it may conflict with a similarly titled work by the same person. Mhhutchins 20:11, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

"Ken Ramey"

Can you confirm the three pieces credited to Ken Ramey in various records which you have primary verified? He is more commonly credited as Ken Raney. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:35, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Well, at least I was consistent in my typos. Fixed. Bob 23:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Kevin A. Rose or Kevin A. Ross

Can you confirm the credit for the essay on page 34 of this issue? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:53, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Ross is correct. Fixed. Bob 00:07, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

"Kevin Dunkan" or "Kevin Duncan"

Can you confirm the art credit for the piece on page 50 of this issue? And is it one piece credited to three artists? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:57, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

It is Duncan, and there are 5 illustrations. Fixed. Bob 00:39, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Kevin Krenick and Kevin Kreneck

Credits for these two artists appear in various releases of the Spectrum art collections. Can you confirm that the credits are correct and that they are possibly the same artist? Thanks. Mhhutchins 22:07, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Kreneck is correct for all. Bob 00:51, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

"Kharl" and "Khari" Evans

Same situation above with two different works with similar titles in different volumes of Spectrum, but credited to either "Kharl Evans" and "Khari Evans". Thanks again for checking. Mhhutchins

Khari is correct. Fixed. Bob 00:55, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Kurt "Higgins" or "Huggins"

Can you confirm the credit given in this record? There are more records for "Huggins" in the database, including collaborations with Devon. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 22:42, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Huggins it is. Fixed. Bob 00:43, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Theosolece Mukus and Theosolese Mukus

Can you check the credits for Theosolece Mukus and Theosolese Mukus to determine whether a pseudonym and variants should be created? Thanks. Mhhutchins 18:08, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Theosolese is correct, all the errors were in a single issue. Fixed. Bob 20:29, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Amra V2n46, April 1968

A few questions about your verified Amra V2n46, April 1968. Should the punctuation character in Limerick; Roman be a colon, by chance? Is the semicolon in Letter: ; On Molluscoidan Monsters superfluous? Is the trailing apostrophe in Letter: On The Exegesis' present? Are there spaces between the main title and the trailing apostrophes in Limericks: Barsoomian ''' and Limerick: Barsoomian "" (the other limericks do not have them)? Should the two double quotes be converted to four single quotes in Limerick: Barsoomian ""? TAI! Ahasuerus 19:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Mostly right, and fixed where appropriate. The trailing apostrophe is present on "Letter: On the Exegesis'"; and the two double quotes (and the other double quotes on limericks) are as given. Thanks for catching these! Bob 20:43, 11 March 2015 (UTC)
Approved, thanks! Ahasuerus 20:47, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

"Tom Taggert" or "Tom Taggart"

Can you confirm the credit for this record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:42, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Changed to Taggart. Bob 00:08, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

"Tsang" or "Tseng"

Can you confirm the credit for this record? The artist is credited as "Tseng" in earlier issues of the same periodical. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:52, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Tseng is correct. Fixed. Bob 00:14, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

"Tomar" or "Tomer"

Can you confirm the credit for this record? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:55, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Credit as given, both on the illustration and in the index of authors. Made into a pseudonym. Bob 00:22, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Map in The Heritage of Hastur

Please join in this discussion regarding the map in The Heritage of Hastur. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:36, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Tim "Jessel" or "Jessell"

Can you confirm the credit for this record? The artist is probably Tim Jessell. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins

Jessel is as given both on the illustration and in the artist index. However, I was able to find the illustration in the pub on Tim Jessell's website, so I made Jessel a pseudonym. Bob 19:04, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

Crises of Empire, Book I: An Honorable Defense

Added cover scan to replace Amazon scan to Crises of Empire, Book I: An Honorable Defense .SFJuggler 00:17, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Great! Thank you. Bob 01:40, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Cluster Command

Added cover scan to replace Amazon scan to Cluster Command.SFJuggler 00:22, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks again! Bob 01:41, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Lost Dorsai cover artist is Enric

You are one of the active verifiers of an edition of Lost Dorsai where the cover is credited to Fernando Fernandez. I would like to change the credit to Enric, based on this notification. Please join the discussion. Thanks, --Willem 20:25, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Cross Plains, January 1974

Please confirm a couple of the art credits in this record. One is credited to "G. W. Farley" while another one is credited ti G. M. Farley, the canonical form of the artist's name. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:39, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Both are G. M. Farley. Fixed. Bob 19:43, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Gary A. or Gary P. Lippincott

Can you confirm the credit of this record? The artist is more commonly credited as Gary A. Lippincott. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:42, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Should indeed be A. Fixed. Bob 19:37, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Gary Kwapicz or Kwapisz

Can you confirm the credit given in this record? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:46, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Credit is given as shown. Pseudonym created. Bob 19:34, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Riverside Quarterly, August 1992

Can you confirm that the poems on pages 24 of this issue are correctly credited? There is a poet named "George Gott" already in the database who has published in and outside of the SF field. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 05:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Gott is correct. Fixed both. Bob 19:27, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Gorden or Gordon Larkin

Can you confirm the credit for the poem on page 14 of this record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 15:59, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Gordon is correct. Fixed. Bob 19:21, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Greg Vander Leon or Leun

Can you look at the two records under Greg Vander Leon and see if they're as published? There are other records for REH-related art credited to Greg Vander Leun. Thanks for looking. Mhhutchins 16:02, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

I changed them both. The first was identified by the artist's symbol and I mistyped the name, the second by his signature (which I would still interpret as "Leon" if that was my only clue). In neither case was there a credit. Bob 19:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Travis A. Louis or Louie

Please confirm the credit of this record. Other Spectrum volumes have pieces by Travis A. Louie. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 16:37, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Louie it is. Fixed. Bob 18:54, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Tylor or Tyler Jacobson

Please confirm the credit of this record. Other pieces have appeared in Spectrum volumes credited to Tyler Jacobson. Thanks. Mhhutchins 16:38, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

It is Tyler. Fixed. Bob 18:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Exra or Ezra Tucker

Can you confirm the credit for this record? Mhhutchins 23:35, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Ezra it is. Fixed. Bob 23:58, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Edmund Shirian or Shirlan

Can you confirm the author credit of this record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:45, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

It's Shirlan. Fixed. I don't know how you can put up with this work, Michael, but I'm glad someone does. It would drive me crazy. Thank you. Bob 18:04, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

"Poems Dead and Undead", ed. by Mitchell-Foust & Barnstone

You verified this publication with a poem by "Dante Aleghieri", which is normally spelled "Dante Alighieri". Could you check whether that was a data entry error in getting the name into our records, or whether the book itself actually spelled in that way? In the latter case, it would need to be set up as a pseudonym. Thanks, Chavey 22:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Alighieri it is. Fixed. Thank you. Bob 00:21, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Klarkash-Ton and Monstro Ligriv

Hi! I just updated this record[8], are you sure you want to delete it as a duplicate?Kraang 02:29, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Sorry found the record you updated, it was under a different name. Will delete dup.Kraang 02:32, 23 March 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I had the same problem, which is why I entered the duplicate in the first place. Bob 15:41, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Les grands illustrateurs Virgil Finlay

Re this publication record: I removed the "uncredited" author credit. If you later discover who edited it, you can create a variant record to credit them. I also capitalized the first word of the title. In French, the first word of a title is capitalized. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

O.K., but the first word in the title was not capitalized on the cover or the title page of the pub. Bob 17:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Cover or book design is not a factor in determining capitalization in a publication's title. Imagine if we had to capitalize titles (and variant records) based on such a nebulous and interpretive value! Pull out the book nearest you and look at its title page. Odds are pretty good that it doesn't use standard capitalization rules. Mhhutchins 20:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I'll take your word for it. Mostly I see initial caps only or all caps used, which really aren't a violation of any rules. When I do see violations, it's almost always on the cover, I don't recall seeing problems on the title page. Bob 20:45, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

You might also need to adjust the Note field. The software can't display characters between two sets of angle brackets. Mhhutchins 04:40, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. I'll fix it. I have to finish adding the content anyhow. Bob 17:07, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I didn't know this myself until I saw how it was displayed in the record. Mhhutchins 20:36, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
This title was typed as SHORTFICTION. A question: why should the contents of this publication be "languaged" as French when the titles are all in English? (I personally don't believe any COVERART or INTERIORART record should be "languaged" at all, but that's another matter.) Mhhutchins 20:55, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Fixed. The English in this pub is only facsimile copies of the original material from the pulps. The editor didn't try to translate the English titles or magazine names. To me, this is still a French pub. Bob 21:38, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
But the contents aren't. If a book of English language stories were printed in France, that wouldn't make the stories French. Our records indicate language, not the place of publication. Mhhutchins 21:50, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

"Sagas of Conan" cover

You verified this publication as having a cover by "Valdimir Nenov". That is almost certainly the "Vladimir Nenov" that did the cover of many Conan books. Assuming I am correct, you should change the name at the cover record, since it's already been merged with another edition that shared its cover. Thanks, Chavey 08:26, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Typical typo. Sorry about that. Fixed, and uploaded a cover scan as well. Did not change cover for e-book, but maybe it should be changed since the scan is somewhat different from the Amazon version. Bob 17:02, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

"The Restaurant at the End of the Universe", by Douglas Adams

I added a cover artist to your verified publication based on its equivalence to other editions with the same cover. Chavey 15:50, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Cool. Thanks! Bob 16:41, 26 March 2015 (UTC)


Hello, perhaps that there is a typo in this title. Hauck 18:42, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

I do make a lot of typos, but I can't find one here. What do you think might be wrong? Bob 20:35, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Identical titles for the same work with the same artist credit...

...should be merged. For example this title and this title. Mhhutchins 23:58, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

They have different languages associated with them. If they had no language, fine. I didn't invent the association of a language with an illustration, but I don't see how to merge them. Variant will show the relationship. Bob 00:04, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
The associated language for an art record is entirely arbitrary. If the "French" one actually had a French title then you couldn't merge them. But the titles are identical, so they're easily merged. Just reconcile the language in the merge process. Mhhutchins 03:43, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

English-titled illustrations in Les grands illustrateurs Virgil Finlay

Your merges of some of the pieces in Les grands illustrateurs Virgil Finlay dropped French as the language and kept English. That seems ok to me. But I noticed for The Red Dust, where you made a variant, the language remains French. That seems inconsistent, so I figured I'd mention it. For art, I'd think the "language" should be the language of its title or words that appear in it, or the language of the publication in which it appears (or maybe first appeared) in the absence of any text. --MartyD 10:45, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

I didn't change the language on varianted illustrations. Most of the illustrations in the French pub were merged, and most of the originals had no language associated with them, although a few had English. I actually prefer the "no language" option, which I think makes the most sense, but the software doesn't allow "no language" once any language is assigned. I suppose the usual assumption is that "no language" means "English". If it bothers you to leave the "French" on the occasional illustration, I have no objection if you or anyone else changes them. I'll change the one you cited. Bob 15:40, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Merge submission for "Ariel's Song", by Shakespeare

You submitted a request to Merge this 1969 edition of "Ariel's Song" with this 1942 edition of the same title, but chose to keep the 1969 dated record and discard the older 1942 record. That's unusual enough. Then you submitted an update to the 1942 record saying that it shouldn't be merged with other versions of Ariel's Song, because it was only an extract. That's confusing. Can you explain what you were trying to do with this combination of submissions? Chavey 02:05, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

I screwed up by keeping the wrong date in the merge. Cancelled and resubmitted with 1942 date. The note is there because the verse that accompanies Finlay's artwork is not the entire Shakespeare composition. I doubt the entire poem appears in any ISFDB pub, but who knows? Bob 13:40, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
Sounds reasonable. Because of the merge (someone else approved), the comment about not merging Ariel's song (which might be worded better to explain that it's an extract only) was lost. If you want it there, you should go back and add it again. Chavey 18:18, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

Back Cover of Haining's Weird Tales Anthology

I noticed that you've got Lee Brown Coye listed as the cover artist of the Xanadu printing Haining's anthology Weird Tales. I've got the Carroll & Graf printing and assuming that is is the same, I suspect that you've entered Coye because of his illustration on the back cover. Assuming that is the case, there is actually a note in this help section (see the last sentence under Title, Artwork) that states that artwork on the back cover is treated as interior art. I'd recommend that you remove Coye's name as a cover artist and subsequently delete this title record. You've already got the title record for the back cover artwork included in the contents. We should probably merge the two interior art titles. The one in the C&G printing has the "(back cover)" disambiguation statement. I just tried to match this illustration to its original appearance, and actually, it doesn't look like it is Coye at all. The original illustration is credited to M.N. Beale. I suppose that it is possible that Beale is a pseudonym of Coye, but I can find no other evidence to support that theory. I'm going to invite the other verifier to this discussion. I'll also invite Mhhutchins since he disagrees with me on how incorrectly attributed artwork should be handled. Ultimately, the back cover of this anthology should be a variant of the illustration for "Interim", but we'll need to agree on how to credit it. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:52, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

As Ron said, I believe that incorrectly credited artwork should be corrected. Otherwise, an ISFDB editor would be tempted to make the miscredited artist into a pseudonym of the true one. I can find nothing in the ISFDB rules that require miscredited artwork be entered as published. If we can credit uncredited artwork, why can't we correct miscredited artwork? There have been numerous times when a publisher forgets to change the copyright page when new art is commissioned for the cover of a new printing. And primary verifying editors have corrected the credit for those records. (Plenty of DAW and Ace printings, for example.) This is a prime example of how the ISFDB rules have been used to paint us into a corner. Sometimes, one just has to do the logical thing. Mhhutchins 16:19, 29 March 2015 (UTC)
It looks like I entered this pub early in my ISFBD career. I don't know why I entered Coye as an author of the cover. I've removed his name from the cover art, changed the credit on the back cover art to Baile and added a note about the miscredit to Brown. I agree that the back cover artwork should be merged, then variented to the orginal, but will leave that to you, Ron. If you want to "disambiguate" it, I have no objection. But I really see no need for that, and have not added similar disambiguations to other back cover art. Bob 18:26, 29 March 2015 (UTC)

"Frazetta Sketchbook, Volume II", by Spurlock & Frazetta

In approving your addition of contents to this book, an apparent typo attributed a "Death Dealer watercolor sketch" on p. 63 to "Fran Frazetta". I corrected that to Frank. "Patrick K. Hill" referenced twice here may be a pseudonym for the author "Patrick Hill" already in the system. Chavey 06:55, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

I saw the typo after the submission; thanks for fixing it. I'm sure you're right about Patrick Hill. Normally on these art books, I enter the contents in pieces. Earlier attempts to do the entry all at once seemed to always end up with some sort of error on my part that lost the whole entry, requiring me to repeat it. After I get all the contents entered, I go back and do merges and variants, as well as correcting typos. I don't mind if moderators correct typos or do variants, and some do so. Please feel free to do so in the future with my entries. Bob 18:13, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
I can certainly relate to that. After the first time I lost 30 content entries due to hitting a bad key, I stopped entering mass amounts in one step as well.Chavey 01:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Fists of Iron - Round 2

You made a second submission to add what appears to be the same publication as this one. The only difference appears to be that the held submission has further contents. It would be better to cancel the submission being held and update the record that's already in the database. Otherwise, there's going to be a lot of merging and deleting required. Mhhutchins 04:19, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I see now that you want to delete the first record. If I did that, you'd still have to delete and/or merge the content records (and the title record of the publication) which will become "unattached" by the deletion. As I said above, it's better to cancel the submission and update the first record that was accepted. If you've found you've made an error, and the submission has already been accepted, you shouldn't compound the error by creating a new publication record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 04:22, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

It really would be easier to delete the incomplete record and all its content. I hit the wrong key and made a premature submission, then hit the back key and finished the record. By the time I finished and submitted the complete record and went back to cancel the earlier submission, I found you had already accepted it. Sorry about that. I expected to have enough time, but your promptness foiled me. Bob 19:22, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Yes, if you'd cancelled it before acceptance that would have been the ideal. That's water under the bridge. If it happens again, open a new tab immediately and cancel the first submission before continuing to enter the corrected one. You never know when one of the moderators is working just seconds behind you in accepting your submissions. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:26, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

"Men of Iron"

I should have held the submission to change this from SHORTFICTION to ESSAY until you'd had a chance to discuss it with the other verifying editors. Please do so now. Thanks. Mhhutchins 21:39, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

I actually read the piece just now. It's indeed an essay, so the change is valid, no problem. --Willem 18:53, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
I only scanned it but I agree.Don Erikson 19:24, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Dreamweaver's Dilemma by Lois McMaster Bujold discussion

Please come participate over here so we can keep all the discussion in one place. Thanks! Nihonjoe 21:53, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Grand Crusades

I had to make a few changes to this verified pub. I changed the title to "Grand Crusades: The Early Jack Vance, Volume Five" as it is on the title page, and to conform with the other volumes in the series. I changed the pub type from collection to omnibus. Four of the five contents items have been published independently, three are classified as novels. I also added a few notes. Hope you can agree. Thanks, --Willem 09:09, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

All fine by me. I know three of the stories have been classified as novels, although I am honestly not sure if they are really longer than novellas (Ace doubles). Bob 22:18, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

Mark Finn

Is there any reason to believe that the author of this work is not the same as the author of this work? For some reason, the latter has been disambiguated as "Mark Finn (II)", even though there is no "Mark Finn (I)". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 23:24, 5 April 2015 (UTC)

These are the same person. Somewhere recently I had a note about Finn, noting that he was Mark Finn (II); I just don't recall the circumstance. I'll see if I can find it. Meanwhile, I'll convert the above citation to II, and the one on the pub I just entered. Bob 00:55, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Looking at the items listed for the other Mark Finn, all of the essays and the interview are clearly Mark Finn (II). I don't know about the other recent stuff; the short fiction and 2001 collection are certainly by Mark Finn I. I suspect the 2014 fiction and the review are also Mark Finn I as well. I'll change all the essays and the interview. Bob 01:06, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
We only use extensions like "(I)" and "(II)" to disambiguate authors, not to indicate a second person who was named after the first, e.g. "Jack C. Haldeman, II". If you look at the link to Wikipedia in the author summary for Mark Finn, you'll see practically everything that is listed on our website. He is most definitely the author of the books on REH along with the multiple essays about him. I don't suggest making dozens of changes to update those records to "Mark Finn (II)". As far as I can tell, there is only one "Mark Finn". That's why I asked the question to begin with, since there was only one title record under "Mark Finn (II)" that was obviously written by the one and only "Mark Finn". Mhhutchins 02:47, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
If you find that some of the titles are not by the REH aficionado Mark Finn, then those should be changed to "Mark Finn (I)". Mhhutchins 02:50, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
I see I was too late. The queue is filled with your submissions to change the author of titles from "Mark Finn" to "Mark Finn (II)". Since this author obviously has more titles than any other "Mark Finn" (if there are any), he should retain the name of "Mark Finn". All of the others should be disambiguated, as I said above, starting with "Mark Finn (I)". Mhhutchins 02:56, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Interesting. I had no idea. Thank you, Michael. That earlier question primed me to look at things the wrong way. Bob 16:37, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Frazetta Sketchbook, Volume II

Did you purposely choose to credit only one of the editors of this publication? Mhhutchins 00:38, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I've been torn about including Hill. He is credited on the title page, but not the front cover or the spine. And the title page is kind of funny, too. It says "Frazetta Sketchbook II / by J. David Spurlock & Frank Frazetta" near the top of the page, then in the center of the page, "Compiled and Edited by / J. David Spurlock & Patrick K. Hill", then finally "Vanguard Productions" at the bottom of the page. What do you think, include Hill or not? Bob 21:01, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
Admittedly, a strange credit. But because it's basically an artbook (I'm assuming), and Hill is credited as co-editor, he should be credited in the ISFDB record. Mhhutchins 21:40, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
O.K., Done. Bob 23:23, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

Toberbory / Tobermory

Hi. Could you please confirm the spelling Toberbory of Saki's story in this publication ? It looks like a typo for Tobermory, but you never know… Thanks. Linguist 13:33, 9 April 2015 (UTC).

Not MY typo this time, the editor's. The character in the story is indeed Tobermory. I've made it a variant. Bob 20:56, 9 April 2015 (UTC)
OK, thanks a lot. Linguist 21:03, 9 April 2015 (UTC).

Artist credit for "Later Than You Think"

I'm holding your submission to change the artist credit for this record. Funny how four other verifiers missed it. Per ISFDB policy, could you discuss the change with Swfritter, the most active verifier of the lot. Thanks. Mhhutchins 03:14, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

I'll be glad to. After the first issue, Galaxy began giving art credit for each story, but in the first issue the artists had to be identified by signature. This particular artist isn't in the data base, so the others may have hesitated to assign credit. Bob 18:29, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'll hold the submission until the results of the discussion. BTW, editors add new authors/artists to the database every day, by the dozens. No one should hesitate to credit a work because the person isn't in the db. I don't believe that happens, or at least I hope that it's never happened. Mhhutchins 18:48, 12 April 2015 (UTC)
Michael, see here and here. Bob 22:13, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
Since there is no consensus, and the signature isn't clear enough to provide a definitive credit, I'll ask you to cancel the submission and add your supposition to the note field of the title record. It might be a good idea, as one of the verifiers suggested, to scan the signature and post it on the Verification Requests page. Maybe someone will recognize it. Mhhutchins 22:34, 13 April 2015 (UTC)
I've already posted a question on the Verification Requests page, although I don't know how to post a scan. I really don't see how the name can be different, except possibly the middle "a" should be an "o". The other letters seem very clear under magnification. But now maybe you understand how four other verifiers left "uncredited". Bob 23:59, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Eduardo or Edwardo

Can you confirm the artist credit of this record? There are other works from the same periodical credited to Edwardo Barreto. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 07:09, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Right question, wrong spelling. The Eduardo is correct for all. Bob 15:11, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Babinski or Babinsky

Can you confirm the credits for the works on pages 16 and 25 in this publication are different? Thanks. Mhhutchins 07:19, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Babinski is correct. Bob 15:17, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

Baskin or Raskin

Can you confirm the cover art credit for this publication? We have other credits for a cover artist named Ellen Raskin. The first primary verifier's copy didn't have a dust jacket, so I'm assuming you or another editor added the credit to the record. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 01:40, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Raskin it is. The type fooled me. Bob 01:47, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Bagram Ibatovlline or Ibatoulline?

Could you confirm the artist credit of this record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 20:13, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Spelling as given, but "Ibatoulline" is shown in the index. Changed, with note. Bob 20:30, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Bertel Martensson or Bertil Martensson

Could the author of this piece be "Bertil" instead of "Bertel"? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 20:27, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Bertil it is! Fixed. Bob 20:37, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Create Space = CreateSpace

Hello, Bob. I normalized the publisher to the established form for Queen of the Black Coast: The Epic of Conan Lore. Christian Stonecreek 05:15, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Bob 14:24, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Trail of Evil

A couple of problems with this publication record. Squared brackets instead of parentheses should be used to indicate unnumbered pages (in both the count field and the page field of the content.) Also, you've used the wrong format for titling the maps. Should be "Trail of Evil (maps)". Please make a submission to correct the record. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:55, 25 April 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Bob 00:16, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Randy Broeker or Broecker

Can you confirm the credit for the works on page 152 of this record? Thanks. Mhhutchins 06:10, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Fixed them both. Thanks! Bob 17:13, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Edmund or Edmond Good

Can you confirm that the variant credits the artist's name differently than the parent record? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 21:57, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

There is no credit to the artist in the Windy City pub, just the cover. The artist's name was taken from the entry for the Weird Tales cover that is the variant. Bob 00:57, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Pedersen or Pederson?

Can you confirm the cover art credit for this issue of Galaxy? John J. Pederson, Jr. did quite a number of covers for Galaxy, sometimes credited as "Pederson". Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 01:41, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

It is indeed credited to "Pedersen"; I changed it and added a note. Bob 17:33, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Chacal #2

I made a few additions to the contents of your verified publication. To complement the essay "Celtia: A Folio", instead of listing the folio as one art piece, I separated it into 3 contents items, since they had individual names. I added the Letters as a column, the art attached to it, and individual essay entries for the letters (3 of the 4 letters were from people we already had in the system). And finally, I listed as a separate book review the part of the p. 59 "Reviews" essay about it. Chavey 13:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Cool! Bob 21:37, 30 April 2015 (UTC)
Except for the page numbering of the letters on page 46. Mhhutchins 21:47, 30 April 2015 (UTC)

Phinas Kornagay, Phinus Kornagay, and Phinas Kornegay

Could you confirm the credits for this record, this record, and this one? All three letters were published in various issues of Crypt of Cthulhu. Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 02:29, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

"Phinas Kornegay" is correct. All fixed. Nice catch! Bob 18:41, 1 May 2015 (UTC)

Grantville Gazette VII

Please double check Grantville Gazette VII. Every content items is double entered. -- JLaTondre (talk) 23:13, 2 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! No idea how that happened. Bob 21:14, 3 May 2015 (UTC)

Brackets, not parentheses

Re this publication, in both the page count field and the content's page field. Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Same here. Mhhutchins 23:28, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

Someday maybe I'll remember. Fixed. Bob 23:54, 4 May 2015 (UTC)

The Sowers of Thunder

Re this publication: 370 pages? So there's only about 25 words on each page? Mhhutchins 01:22, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed; only 70 pages. Bob 00:42, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

POD eds. of The Sowers of the Thunder and Other Stories

Since they have the same contents, why would you not have saved some time by adding one record, then cloning it? Just an idea for if this happens again. Mhhutchins 01:26, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

I realized that at the time, but wanted to get both pubs in at the time. Not really much added work, since I had to merge the stories anyhow, and merging three is no harder than merging two. Bob 00:44, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Boot-Hill Payoff

You missed giving the binding of this publication. Mhhutchins 01:28, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. Bob 00:45, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

de Camp's Phantoms & Fancies and "Veiled Worlds"

Could you please take a look at this discussion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 12:28, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

Heinlein on Simak

Bob, one should think that this essay was reprinted with a different title in Heinlein's collected nonfiction; likely candidates are this and/or this. It is in fact a letter, which begins "Dear Cliff, Or should I address you as 'Mr. Simak'?". It is a congratulation on Simak receiving the Grand Master Nebula Award. Later on there are some musings on Simak's writing technique and ends with what Heinlein likes best about Simak's stories. Last lines: "So it gives me great pleasure to join in this celebration. With admiration and respect, I remain Sincerely yours, Robert A. Heinlein." Would you like to do some research in the two volumes by Heinlein? Christian, Stonecreek 17:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

No problem! You hit the nail on the head -- it's the second one you cite above. The first was published in a newspaper, or was part of an article that was. Bob 19:34, 6 May 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for checking, Bob! Would you take a look if all is correct now? Christian Stonecreek
Looks fine! Excellent work. Bob 16:22, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Coye in HPL

There are two pieces of interior artwork in the Frierson's HPL that are attributed to "Lee Coye Brown". If they are actually credited that way, you should probably make that a pseudonym of Lee Brown Coye and make them into variants, though there are some editors that prefer that miscredited artwork be listed with the canonical name. Aside from that, I'm trying to match those two pieces with a reprint in one of Coye's collections. Is one of them a drawing of a man's head with three protruding teeth and one eye swollen nearly shut and a rat on his head. Is the other a man in a fur hat with an earring of a chain ending in a crescent. He is also holding what appears to be an insect by a thread. If those are the illustrations, could you tell me which is HPL [29] and which is HPL [32]? Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 01:23, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

The name mix-up was mine, not the attribution. Fixes submitted. These are indeed the two illustrations. HP[29] is the man in the fur hat and HP[32] is the guy with the rat on his head. Bob 16:43, 7 May 2015 (UTC)

Jack Vance

Re this book. I've added a note about the ISBN of the signed edition as stated on the very last page. --Mavmaramis 21:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Cool! Bob 00:14, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Fantasy Tales Spring 1989

Re this book. I replaced the ISFDB cover with the full wraparound artwork. --Mavmaramis 22:33, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Double cool! Bob 00:15, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

Coye in March 1974 Whispers

I have identified Lee Brown Coye: An Appreciation (1) in the March 1974 issue of Whispers as a reprint of the first item in the Weirdisms series. If it were just the illustration, I may have suggested that we use the same title as its Weird Tales appearance. However, since there is also the essay that is by E. Crosby Michel, I'm intending to use new title records and make variants. For all the other installments in the series, we have used the form "Weridisms: " followed by the term in bold in the essay. However, since we don't have "Weirdisms" in this appearance, I'm thinking that simply titling this "Vampires". It's not really a situation that is covered by the help pages. With that change, I'll also remove the disambiguation from the second Coye piece with that title. I'm also going to clean up the remaining pieces with duplicate names. We've got them all listed with the number in parenthesis here and we ordinarily use square brackets for that purpose. I'm sure that is my error as these were among the first things I added to the database. I also may have more to say about Coye's work in Whispers as I'm currently entering a new collection of his work and am trying to match up the interior artwork where I can. Let me know if you have any issues with my changes. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 14:40, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

No issues, they make sense to me. Bob 15:16, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

The Ultimate Triumph

Re: this book. I'm going to correct an error in the notes "Edited by Randy Burke" should be RUSTY Burke (as per the contents list) and add that copyright page gives ISBNs of the limited edition and leatherbound edition. Also for informational purposes my copy has no price printed on either flap of dust wrapper so can't verify the $50.00 price and although the front flap of dust wrapper does indeed have The Robert E. Howard Library of Classics in a box nowhere does it say it's number 2 of this series. Also I'm going to replace the Amazon cover art fro one scanned from my own copy. --Mavmaramis 18:31, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

All fine, except you should also replace the cover art for the collector's edition with your scan. I bought all of the Wandering Star leather-bound books back when they were issued, and in fact have the ad sheets for them which show prices for all editions. The copyright pages for each book in all editions for each Wandering Star volumes are identical (and show all the ISBNs). I'm embarrassed by messing up Rusty's name. Thanks for catching that. Bob 22:48, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

Virgil Finlay II

Bob: Just entered some Finlay illustrations from the Paizo trade paperback reprinting of The Ship Of Ishtar. I have varianted several, but some need their original dates and publications if you know them. They are:

  • Page 21: Beautiful naked woman with horns, and who has doves flying around her as she is framed by a tentacled evil demon.
  • Page 73: Hero and his Viking sidekick fight evil priests with a demon/evil spirit coming out of a black box in the background.
  • Page 85: Beautiful women coming up from the sea in bubbles to seduce the evil black archers. One woman is emerging from a bubble to kiss an archer. This is not the illustration that is similar in the pulp magazine.
  • Page 135: Beautiful and naked woman in a veil, and who is surround by floating butterflies. There is a small demon/imp in the right-handed upper corner.
  • Page 171: There is a galley in the bottom of the illustration with a large black warrior in the upper left-handed page, and a sparkling naked white female (with a sun right behind her) in the upper right-handed page. I know that this may sound a bit racist, but if you’ve read the novel you know the black warrior represents death and the white woman represents life. This illustration should be more in the front of the book, but, nobody asked me.

These may have appeared in some other edition of Merritt’s “The Ship of Ishtar”, but I thought that having done so much work on the Finlay’s illustrations you might know where they originally appeared, or at least give them their correct publication dates. MLB 03:18, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Several of these illustrations have been posted on Amazon here if you're curious. Looking back over them they may have to soon be removed. MLB 04:10, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Although the Amazon write-up claims the line drawings are from the Fantastic Novels version of the story, the ones you list above are from the 1949 Borden edition, in the order in which they appear in the book. They are given as "The Ship of Ishtar", "The Ship of Ishtar [2]", etc. and appear in a number of art books, including the latest Finlay book, The Collector's Book of Virgil Finlay. It looked to me like the illustration at the bottom of the title page/TOC is likely from the Fantastic Novels version, although the one at the top of the page is the head of Sharane from the first illustration listed above. Bob 21:31, 19 May 2015 (UTC)
Both excerpts on the TOC are from interior illustrations, the lower one is this one, while the top one is from the illustration on page twenty-one. I'll redate the illustrations listed above, but I'm very uncomfortable with varianting artwork unless I actually see it/them. Thanks for your attention. MLB 06:24, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Padgett's Tomorrow and Tomorrow and The Fairy Chessmen

Please see this discussion. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 23:56, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Lewis Lavoic and Lewis Lavoie

In this record, could you confirm the credits for the works on pages 70 and 177? Thanks. Mhhutchins 01:51, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, Michael. Lavoie is correct for both. Bob 16:39, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Lindsay Sullivan and Lindsey Sullivan

Can you confirm the author credit of the reviews on pages 29 and 31 of this publication? Thanks for checking. Mhhutchins 01:58, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

That is the way they are given in the pub. Since both spellings are often used, and since the author is not anywhere else in the data base, I don't see how I can change them. I'll add notes to the contents that they are probably by the same author. Bob 16:52, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Berserker Base

Hello, I've changed this publication from pb to tp and added artist as per signature. Hauck 13:43, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Bob 16:36, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

The Planet Entity

Hello, in your submission, you want to make this a variant of that with different artists. Can you confirm? Hauck 10:47, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

Yeah, the editor misidentified the artist. If you think I should, I can change the artist and note the error. Bob 15:30, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

The Long Dawn by Hannes Bok

Just double checking: Does this INTERIORART title really have two separate VTs in Bok I? Ahasuerus 01:45, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Yes, see the note for the pub. The first two plates are the two pages of a single illustration. This is also true for the third and fourth plates in the pub. Bob 17:12, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

"The Outsiders" by H. P. Lovecraft, Famous Fantastic Mysteries

Another quick check: Is the version of Hannes Bok's "The Outsider" really called ""The Outsiders" in Bok I? Ahasuerus 01:53, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I fixed that when I was doing variants; the fix must have been after the item you were editing when you discovered my mistake. Bob 17:15, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Looks good, thanks! Ahasuerus 17:21, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Fantasy Collectors' Annual 1974

There sure are a lot of duplicated titles in the contents of this publication! I don't know how it happened, but please work on repairing the record when you get a chance. If you have to remove duplicate titles, don't forget to delete them from the db. Mhhutchins 03:31, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Checking submission history, it looks like the first thing that Bob did was create a new FANZINE pub for "Fantasy Collector's Annual - 1974", which included an extensive Content section. He then imported that content into the previously existing NONFICTION pub linked above. Finally he deleted the FANZINE pub, so we ended up with two sets of title records in the NONFICTION pub. I wonder if Bob may have expected the import submission to ignore similar titles? Ahasuerus 04:15, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I did expect that identical content titles would not be duplicated, but at least recognized that slightly different ones would be copied. I'm working on cleaning the mess up and have deleted much of the redundant contents. I'll fix more as fixes are implemented. Sorry for the mess. Bob 17:48, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Since you didn't clone or import the contents from another record, you can't expect that the titles would be automatically merged. You created new content titles which had no reference to the ones already in the db. Mhhutchins 17:57, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Point of etiquette: As the original primary verifier, shouldn't we have discussed the addition of content before it was imported? At a minimum, I should have been informed as to what was added. At this point, I don't have a clear idea as to what content was there before and what was newly added, though I doubt an uncredited short story about Papé and the Silver Stallion. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 19:59, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Ron, you're absolutely correct, of course. I intended to contact you and got sidetracked with the complications I myself created. As Ahasuerus noted above, I entered the pub as a "new" fanzine, then found your original submission. There are still problems, that SHORTFICTION that should be an ESSAY. The main additions are the Mahlon Blaine illustrations; you had them as a single line item. I also added some of the lead essays, all uncredited but obviously by de la Ree, to several of the items. I changed most of the letters from the title of the essay to the typical letter format (Letter to whom, date). I added Fabian as the artist for the illuminated letters and added at least one of the photos (Poe). And I added to the notes. I know I really screwed this one up every way I could, and abjectly apologize for not contacting you up front. I certainly would have asked if I had realized the pub was already in the data base before I got sucked in. Bob 20:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
Partial responsibility also lies with the moderator who accepted the submission to import the contents from the FANZINE record. Moderators can clearly see when a publication has been primary verified. Mhhutchins 22:28, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
It occurs to me that the standard "This publication has been verified by" box doesn't appear on the "Clone/Import/Export Publication" review page. I suspect that it may be related to the fact that the same review page is used for Clone Pub submissions as well as for Import/Export submissions. In the long run we need to decouple them, but for now I will create an FR to display the warning box for Import/Export submissions. Ahasuerus 04:19, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Chad Hunsley or Hensley

Can you confirm the author credit for the poem on page 44 of this publication? Thanks. Mhhutchins 17:40, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

It is indeed Hensley. Fixed. Bob 23:22, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

"A Letter by Cabell"

Shouldn't A Letter by Cabell be credited to Cabell? Mhhutchins 22:44, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

No, that's the title of the essay (presumably by Gerry de la Ree, but not credited) that introduces the letter, which is the item "Letter to Mr. Ross" below the essay. Bob 23:25, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
We normally do not create content records for editorial introductions, unless they're substantial. Mhhutchins 23:49, 1 June 2015 (UTC)
I think it's substantial; it's about 2/3 of a page long. If I leave it out, do I leave out the title too? It seems important to me to put in the usual "Letter to whom, when" associated with Cabell's name so if it appears elsewhere it can be merged. Of course, Ron is free to change everything back if he wishes. Bob 00:09, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Cherity or Cherith Baldry

Can you confirm the author credit of this title? Thanks. Mhhutchins 23:41, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Cherith it is. Fixed. Bob 20:49, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Sandman A Game of You

This title is missing several of the artists from the INTERIORART. Colleen Doran, Bryan Talbot, George Pratt and Stan Woch. I'd like to add them. TAWeiss 00:16, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Please, feel free to do so. Bob 00:22, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

The Sandman: Worlds' End

This record has the wrong title, I believe. It should be Worlds' End not World's End. I'd like to fix it and the related introduction Artwork and biographies. TAWeiss 01:14, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Please fix it. You should also fix the two unverified editions that were likely copied from my error. Thanks for catching this. Bob 20:33, 2 June 2015 (UTC)


Added cover scan and notes to Vendetta.SFJuggler 04:23, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. Bob 19:40, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

1841 — Kazam Collects by S. D. Gottesman (C. Kornbluth)

Hello, if I follow your submissions correctly, shouldn't this work be titled "1941 — Kazam Collects by S. D. Gottesman (C. Kornbluth)" instead? Hauck 09:01, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Oh, yeah! Thank you! Bob 12:46, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Weirdbook 27

Hi, Bob. Looking through your verified of the above, I see you disambiguate the interior art when there are multiples in the same story even when the artists are different. I've tried to find this in the rules but can't. I thought you only did that for the same title and same artist, and that the fact that if the artists are different that is its own disambiguation. Please tell me if I'm wrong on that. I see it as similar to letters in a magazine. You don't put a [2] after the title "Letter (Magazine, Mon Year)" unless the author has written two (or more) letters in the same issue??? Thanks / Doug Vornoff 23:52, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

You are absolutely correct, there was no need to disambiguate these artworks by different artists. I'll take out the numbers. Thank you for finding this silliness of mine. Bob 23:56, 7 June 2015 (UTC)
No problem - looks good. Doug / Vornoff 14:17, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Galaxy August 1951

A note is added to Galaxy August 1951 about the credit for "Operation Distress". Syzygy 18:44, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Interesting. I never noticed. Thanks! Bob 18:59, 8 June 2015 (UTC)

Weirdbook 16

Hi Bob. Looking thru my copy of your verified entry above, I submitted some minor changes such as straightening out the order of appearance of the items on some pages, changed a page number, and removed some of the interior art disambiguation numbers that shouldn't have been there. Hope that's okay. But also I found (but didn't change):
1. You have the poem "Breach" credited to Robert Randolph Medcalf, Jr. (as by Robert Medcalf, Jr.) but it actually IS credited to Robert Randolph Medcalf, Jr., so no variant needs to be done there, as I see it, so it looks like it needs to be unvarianted & the old variant deleted.
2. You have the poem "Nostalgia" credited to "William Scott Home" but it is actually credited to "Scott Home". After checking some of the latter's credits it's obvious "Scott Home" should be a pseudonym of "William Scott Home" and I submitted the pseudonym. As I see it, the author now needs to be changed to "Scott Home" and varianted to William.
If I've got something wrong here, let me know. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 04:34, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

All fine, Doug. Thanks for your trouble. Bob 15:02, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Galaxy January 1958

A note was added to Galaxy January 1958 about the credit typo for interiorart of "The Hated". Syzygy 14:51, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you! Bob 14:55, 11 June 2015 (UTC)

Koszowski vs Kaszowski

Hi Bob. I just noticed spellings of Allen Koszowski's name as "Kaszowski" with an "a" in several of your verified publications, namely, Diversifier 20, Diversifier 24, Diversifier 26-27, Fantasy Tales V6n12 and The Fantastic Worlds of Robert E. Howard. Do you know if his name was actually spelled that way or if you typed it in wrong? Talk about a tough name to type!! Either way, looks like a little adjustment is needed. I never had heard of Diversifier before - looks like a fun mag to collect. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 14:56, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

These are all my mistypings. Thank you so much for finding them. Also caught a "Kaszowsky" hiding in the first of the zines you cited. I always do have trouble typing his name. And yes, "Diversifier" was a really interesting fanzine, among the best for its time period. "Whispers", "Weirdbook" and "Crypt of Chthulu" might be considered "semiprozines", but "Diversifier" was pure fanzine, just a very, very good one. Bob 15:15, 12 June 2015 (UTC)
No problem. I think I end up on your verifed pubs so much because we seem to have similar interests. When I follow up on my enties they invariably lead to yours! For example, I just noticed, thru following an artist I entered in one mag, that in Etchings and Odysseys #5 you have the art for Funeral Pyre as by Rich Harrison, who only has this one credit. The artist Rick Harrison has aton of enties, even another one in this very same mag. So, I hope you don't think I'm getting on your case but I keep running into these things and I really can't just arbitrarily change them. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 02:24, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
I make a lot of typos, so don't worry about flagging them. In fixing this, I noticed that the pub had the wrong cover scan, so I loaded in the right one. Bob 03:26, 13 June 2015 (UTC)
Typos are SO easy to do! Doug / Vornoff 03:34, 13 June 2015 (UTC)


Replaced cover for this book with full wraparound version. --Mavmaramis 19:29, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Very nice! Bob 20:47, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Lost Moons

Hi Bob! I was verifying my copy of Lost Moons which is the standard copy and see that you've verified the deluxe edition. My copy shows the foreword titled "Foreword and Cold Facts" (not just "Foreword"). If your copy says the same we can change it in the title record and be done with it. Otherwise, since it's greyed out, I'll have to separate that title from my pub and add the new title. If you agree, go ahead and change the title or let me know and I'll do it. Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 19:12, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

You're right on, the title is the same in both so I changed it. I probably got lazy and just typed in the titles from the ToC, and never really looked at the title on the article, just checked the pages. Thank you for catching this one. Bob 19:55, 16 June 2015 (UTC)

Varianting titles by pseudonyms

Hello, I've moderating some of your submissions for diverse books of illustrations. Taking this publication as an example, you'll see that there are some items that are still solely attributed to pseudonyms (Stephen E. Fabian, Calvin T. Beck, Ben Indick). All these appears on our daily cleanup report. Please remember that in such case (when the given author is a pseudonym), you should variant the title to the canonical author (here Stephen Fabian, Calvin Thomas Beck, Ben P. Indick). This will "transfer" all the titles by an author and its pseudonyms to the same page. It will also save us moderators some work ^_^. Thanks. Hauck 14:04, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

I do try to remember that. I have particular trouble with Stephen Fabian, since I almost always find his name with the middle initial. That we now catch the pseudonyms in the authors names actually makes it more difficult for me to remember to check for other pseudonyms; wish the software checked item authors that way! Bob 21:22, 19 June 2015 (UTC)

Suldren's Garden

I submitted a title correction from Suldren's Garden to Suldrun's garden, since that is plainly what the cover shows Suldren's Garden Susan O'Fearna 00:16, 22 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you, Susan. Another of my many typos fixed! Much appreciated. Bob 17:31, 22 June 2015 (UTC)


Hi Bob. I still had some doubts about disambiguation so I posted a question on the help desk and got a pretty thorough answer from Michael. Armed with that I went through all the Weirdbook issues and fixed all the disambiguation that was wrong. I also started in on the Whispers. Here there seem to be [1]'s added to the first of the disambiguated records, which isn't necessary. I mention this to you because you are listed as a prime verifier on most, if not all, of these and I wanted to let you know I was changing your verified pubs. If you'd rather I just inform you of these instead of changing and notifying, I will. What do you think? Thanks, Doug / Vornoff 15:18, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

You done good! Keep doing corrections the way you did this one, Doug. If you ever do something I find to be a problem, I'll let you know and we'll try to work it out between us. I'm hardly shocked that I disambiguated incorrectly. Thank you for taking the time and trouble to clear these up. Bob 17:54, 24 June 2015 (UTC)
No problem, Bob. Happy to do it. Doug / Vornoff 19:01, 24 June 2015 (UTC)