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[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?605314 Escape] is on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 this report] because the page number '1|[4]' has a bracketed sort value. I didn't change it because it isn't clear what the value should be. The order for the titles before page 10 looks a little strange. Will you clear this one? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:34, 10 July 2022 (EDT)
[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?605314 Escape] is on [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/edit/cleanup_report.cgi?287 this report] because the page number '1|[4]' has a bracketed sort value. I didn't change it because it isn't clear what the value should be. The order for the titles before page 10 looks a little strange. Will you clear this one? [[User:Scifibones|<b>John</b> <small>Scifibones</small>]] 12:34, 10 July 2022 (EDT)
:John, the pages are now in the right order, with all the bracketed pages up front as they should be.  I'm not sure if this is the way these unnumbered lead pages should be treated, but at least now the order is correct. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:53, 10 July 2022 (EDT)
:John, the pages are now in the right order, with all the bracketed pages up front as they should be.  I'm not sure if this is the way these unnumbered lead pages should be treated, but at least now the order is correct. [[User:Biomassbob|Bob]] 22:53, 10 July 2022 (EDT)
== Songs of the Dark ==
Would you mind double checking {{P|853694|Songs of the Dark}}? Does the story on page 11 have a subtitle on the title page? In the original appearance in ''Unfettered II'', the story did not list the subtitle in the ToC, but it was listed as {{T|3057840|A Duel of Evils; or, The Fall of Kethia}} on the title page. I've updated the hc ''Unfettered II'' and pinged the verifier of the other editions. I thought I would ask about your pub as well just on the off chance. Thanks. --&nbsp;[[User:JLaTondre|JLaTondre]] ([[User talk:JLaTondre#top|talk]]) 08:26, 16 July 2022 (EDT)

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Amazon Image Links

Please remember when using Amazon images, the link needs to be edited to remove the underscores and everything between. The moderator screen will give a warning when these are present and they get added to a clean-up report that others than need to handle. A one-off I would just fix without notice, but you had quite a few in the last week. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 12:02, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

Thank you for this information. I truly did not know how to edit the links. I've seen the warning, of course, but didn't know how to handle it. I really appreciate you letting me know. Bob 14:57, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
One thing to keep in mind is that yellow warnings generally mean "This is not an expected value. The submission should not be approved until the issue is resolved to the reviewing moderator's satisfaction." Sometimes it means putting the submission on hold and asking the submitting editor to clarify the intent of the submission. Other times it means asking the developer (me at the moment) to see if the ISFDB software needs to be changed in order to accommodate the submitted value, e.g. if Amazon's URLs have changed or if we have been given permission to link to a new Web site. Ahasuerus 18:00, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Bob, if you see a warning (or anything else) that makes no sense to you, just reach out and ask - I, for one, will be more than happy to help - and I am pretty sure most of the moderators will as well. And if you rather not do it on the site, my mail is set for receiving via the email link on the profile. :) Annie 15:04, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Annie, thank you for the offer, and I'll take you up on it. Right now I need help (again) archiving my user talk. Somehow, despite the instructions, I manage to mess this up when I try. Bob 16:36, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Do you want me to do it and the step by step or just the step by step? Annie 16:39, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Let's try the second. Bob 16:46, 30 July 2020 (EDT)


  • Go to your archives page: here and click edit.
  • Copy the last line to the bottom and edit the dates range - by adding for example "User_talk:Biomassbob/Archive/Sep2019-July2020". No spaces, dots and so on and make sure the format looks like the previous lines and save the page.
  • Open a new tab in your browser and go to the archive page. Go to the address bar (it should read http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Biomassbob/Archive
  • Add at the end of the address bar the date expression you added in a previous step (/Sep2019-July2020) in my example and press enter or load. It should open a page that has the following text on it: "There is currently no text in this page, you can search for this page title in other pages or edit this page.". Click on edit - the standard one on top or the one in the message.
  • Open your Talk page for editing in a new tab and start moving messages (cut from the Talk page, paste in the new page).
  • When done, save both your Talk page and this new page.
  • If you reload the Archive page now, the link we left there in the second page is active and should lead to this new page.

If you mess up somewhere, do not worry, everything is fixable. Annie 17:09, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

Wow, it actually worked! Thanks a bunch, Annie. Bob 17:36, 30 July 2020 (EDT)
Anytime! Annie 17:53, 30 July 2020 (EDT)

David Brin / The River of Time

I have compared my copy of The River of Time against the ISFDb pub record and would like to make some changes. You are the only active PV for this pub so I am running them past you first. Please advise whether you are happy for me to proceed with these changes.
1) Delete the statement "Signed by Brin on the title page". My copy is not signed so it seems that whichever editor wrote this statement has a copy that was signed post publication.
2) Add Locus1 as the source of the publication month.
3) There are two stories whose titles in the book (both on contents page and first page of story) differ from the pub record. "The Fourth Vocation of George Gustaf" should be "The 4th Vocation of George Gustaf". Also, "Toujours Voir" should be "Toujour Voir".
I am a new editor and am not sure how to go about changing these story titles. I presume variants need to be created but these stories also appear in other publications and I do not know how to determine which title should be the canonical one and which the variant. "Toujour" is a misspelling, so maybe the title should be left as "Toujours Voir" with a note added regarding the misspelling. I see that you are a moderator, so can you please advise me what to do? If you would prefer me to raise the question on the Help Desk, no problem, just let me know. Thanks. Teallach 16:34, 12 February 2022 (EST)

I didn't enter the original data, and when I PV someone else's entry, I sometimes don't check the data very carefully. Mea culpa. Delete the signature line, tell the moderator that neither your copy nor mine is signed. Add the source of the date. No explanation needed. Correct the spelling of "Toujour Voir", tell the monitor you corrected the spelling. Change the title of "The 4th Vocation of George Gustaf", explain to the moderator you corrected the title that is in the pub, and that you will variant the title to "The Fourth..." once the changes you have submitted are approved. Once the first set of changes have been approved, go to "The Fourth...", copy the number at the end of the source (http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?40427) "40427" in this case, go to "The River of Time", then to "Make this title a variant" and enter the number in the first line. I don't know why the editor changed the title in the pub, but that sometimes happens.
Also note that the same mistakes in the spelling occur in the 400 copy fancy version of this pub. I suspect this is the version that was signed, which is suggested, but not clearly stated. You should also correct the spelling errors on that copy the same way you do the trade edition.
Good catches, by the way. Glad to have an editor like you join us. Bob 20:23, 12 February 2022 (EST)
I'll make all the changes to the trade ed. Think it will take 3 submissions. Will let you know when all done. I will then inform the PV of the limited ed and between us we will arrange for corresponding changes to be made to that pub record. Thank you for your kind final paragraph. Teallach 12:19, 13 February 2022 (EST)


For Fane, would you object if I added the following before I PV?
Change page count to [8]+311
Add "First Timescape Books printing August, 1981" and the printer's key
Add essay title "Racial/Political Groupings on the Planet Fane" for page [7]
Thanks! Phil 10:04, 13 February 2022 (EST)

Phil, I have no big objection to changing the page numbers, but think it's silly. You could add the title and put it on 'bp', before pagination. Adding the Timescape statement isn't really needed; the date of publication is already given. More information isn't necessarily helpful. Bob 10:50, 13 February 2022 (EST)

The War of the Ring

I'm attempting to PV my copy and came across the pub record you added [1] that has the same ISBN and cover (with more intense color values). The pub date on my copy is 2000-09-00, but the record has 2003-09-01 which you added on 2017-03-19. It seems a bit odd to be adding a record for 6 years in the future. Another complication is that my copy is Houghton Mifflin, while the record has Mariner.

I trying to figure out if I should just add a new record from scratch, or take this one over with much of the data replaced. Thoughts? --GlennMcG 00:36, 14 February 2022 (EST)

Apparently this was a pub automatically added from Amazon back in the days before Annie decided to input all such records. So the information for this pub was from Amazon in 2017, and I really have no idea how your copy could have the same ISBN. I don't understand your comment about adding a record for 6 years in the future. I wonder if your copy isn't the same as the first version of the pub based on the date you quote. I suggest you post your question on the Community Portal. Maybe one of the other moderators can provide some guidance. Bob 09:07, 14 February 2022 (EST)


Added some notes and exterior links to your PVd Relic.Jim 01:11, 14 February 2022 (EST)

Fine. Bob 09:09, 14 February 2022 (EST)

Pandora's Legions

For Pandora's Legions, do you mind if I add the notes "First printing: February 2002" and "Cover art by Patrick Turner"? Thanks! Phil 07:22, 16 February 2022 (EST)

Sounds fine to me. Bob 09:15, 16 February 2022 (EST)


http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/title.cgi?2835479; Should this be Rick? --Username 09:56, 18 February 2022 (EST)

Yes, another typo. Fixed. Thanks! Bob 10:01, 18 February 2022 (EST)

Canby's Legion

Based on the title page for Canby's Legion, I think the publisher should be "Aspect / Warner Books" not just "Warner Books". What do you think? Phil 08:09, 20 February 2022 (EST)

Disagree. Notes indicate it is a Warner Books edition. Bob 10:24, 20 February 2022 (EST)
But the title page shows both Aspect and Warner Books on it. Aspect is also on the front cover and spine. The copyright page is the source of the "Warner Books Edition" note but there's also an "Aspect is a trademark of..." statement on the copyright page. Doesn't the title page override the note? Sorry I didn't state that earlier. Phil 12:12, 20 February 2022 (EST)

"I guess I really don't care. It seems like a trifling point. So go ahead. Bob 14:02, 20 February 2022 (EST)

A Practical Guide to Conquering the World cover credit

Hi, you've PVed the US tp of this, with "Shuttlecock" listed as the cover artist. Annoyingly the UK ebook doesn't have any art credits visible in the Amazom.co.uk preview, but I was able to get a preview of the US ebook from Kobo, which as I suspected credits "Shutterstock".

Is this a straightforward typo that we can fix in the database, or does the US tp actually have an incorrect credit? Thanks ErsatzCulture 11:29, 20 February 2022 (EST)

The clever pun of the name blew right by me. Fixed. Glad you found this. Bob 14:04, 20 February 2022 (EST)

Tomorrow and Tomorrow

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?279225; I added month from Archive.org copy of 1965 edition's copyright page. --Username 20:53, 21 February 2022 (EST)

Space Relations title problem

My copy of Space Relations shows "a slightly gothic interplanetary tale" under "space relations" on the title page. Based on that, I think the title for the publication should really be "Space Relations: A Slightly Gothic Interplanetary Tale". Does your copy match? If it does, beside changing this pub record, it looks like there's a problem with the cannonical title as well. Based on a title note in here and a WorldCat search, I think the cannonical title needs to be changed as well as at least that of the non-PVd Charterhouse edition (and possibly all of the pubs). Thoughts? Phil 07:50, 22 February 2022 (EST)

I have a mild preference to leave it as it is. Searching for the title would likely be easier if the subtitle was not included. But do as you will. Bob 09:00, 22 February 2022 (EST)

Virgil Finlay collection

This collection is verified by you. Will you share a picture of the title page? I believe the title should be "Virgil Finlay 幻想画集" as that's what's on the cover. I suspect the same is on the title page. The publisher should probably be 青心社, and the author should be 大瀧啓裕. I can take care of all that if you can share the cover and the copyright page here. The copyright page is usually in the back of Japanese books. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 14:52, 23 February 2022 (EST)

I'll copy the title page if you wish, but I can tell you the title is identical to that on the cover, as are both the author's and the publisher's names. Bob 13:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)

Porno Title

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?326944; Should the essay by Siegel be PORNOGRAPHY? --Username 09:45, 25 February 2022 (EST)

Yep, fixed. Bob 13:33, 25 February 2022 (EST)

Brokedown Palace

For Brokedown Palace, do you mind if I add "Ace Fantasy edition/January 1986" and "No printer's key" notes to this pub before I PV? Thanks! Phil 18:09, 5 March 2022 (EST)

Fine with me. Bob 18:45, 5 March 2022 (EST)

Master of Hawks

For Master of Hawks, do you mind if I add "First printing—July 1979" and "No printer's key" notes? 08:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)

Fine with me. Who are you? No ID shows. Bob 09:53, 8 March 2022 (EST)
Weird. Maybe I missed using all the tildes. Phil 10:31, 8 March 2022 (EST)

Bernie Wrightson identification

Hi Bob

I'm entering contents for Dian Hanson's Masterpieces of Fantasy Art art and it contains a picture from Bernie Wrightson's Apparitions. I've found the image from an auction site. Hanson states the image is of Hanover Fiste. I see there is one image in your portfolio with a title mentioning Fiste (though I detect no chickens in the image). Could you take a look and let me know which of the plates matches that image so that I can variant the image from the Hanson book properly. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 08:32, 19 March 2022 (EDT)

Ron, that is indeed the same image that you found online. And indeed there are no chickens in the image, although that is the title Wrightson gave it. Looking this one up was a particular challenge, since all my portfolios are grouped together on one shelf. Luckily, I'm obsessive enough to them to find the one cited! Cheers! Bob 12:14, 19 March 2022 (EDT)

Breed Accursed

Eclipse of the Moon contains two poems titled

  • "Breed Accursed" (page 9 and 138)
  • "The Collection" (both on page 172)
  • "A Thin Place" (page 1 and 2)

For each case, can you check if these the same poem (in which case the second should be disambiguated and varianted to the first) or different (in which case it would be good to have title notes)? Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:03, 20 March 2022 (EDT)

The second two were indeed mistaken entries and have been deleted. "Breed Accursed" does appear in both places, but has the lines in the final verse swapped. I've now labelled the second as (2) and explained in a note. Bob 12:28, 21 March 2022 (EDT)

The Blue Hawk

For The Blue Hawk, would you mind if I replace the inaccurate note "Stated 1st printing" with notes "First Ballantine Books Edition: August 1977" and "No printer's key or printing statement."? Thanks! Phil 11:19, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

Fine. Bob 12:20, 22 March 2022 (EDT)

Prison Planet

For Prison Planet, would you mind if I change "Stated 1st printing, full number line" to two notes: "Ace edition/March 1989" and "First printing by full number line."? Thanks! Phil 10:08, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

O.K. by me. Bob 19:45, 24 March 2022 (EDT)

The Vale/Vail of Lost Women

Hi Bob-

I just made a variant of Sanjulian's The Vale of Lost Women to the parent The Vail of Lost Women in your verified art collection. Given that the Howard story uses the spelling "Vale", I was wondering if you could check the title in the Sanjulian collection in case it's a typo. If so, you can go ahead and merge the variant with its parent taking the correct title. There is also another piece for a sketch in the same collection with a similar title. Thanks for checking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:19, 27 March 2022 (EDT)

Found another one, Black Colossus vs. Black Collossus. The Hanson book says it's from The Sword's Edge, but it looks like it may have appeared in Spectrum 16 first. I haven't made a variant of these two titles yet. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:24, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
One last related inquiry. The Hanson book has this image which it only titles as "Female Warrior" but does note that it's from The Sword's Edge. Could you take a look and let me how this painting is titled in that book so that I can make the proper variant. Thanks again for all. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 18:34, 27 March 2022 (EDT)
Interesting series of questions. The "Vail" was a mistake on my part. It's "Vale", and I corrected it, removed the variant and merged the titles. "Black Collossus" is as shown, as is "Black Colossus" in Spectrum 16. The latter is the title of the story by Howard, so the Sanjulian title is his misspelling. I've made that one a variant of the correct title. The title of the "Female Warrior" painting in Sanjulian's book on p.44 is "Red Sonja [2]", and the actual words used are "a commissioned painting of Red Sonja". Bob 10:43, 28 March 2022 (EDT)
Thanks for all the checking. I've made "Female Warrior" a variant of "Red Sonja [2]". I also would have titled it as you did with that particular caption. Thanks again. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:31, 28 March 2022 (EDT)

Vettius and His Friends

For Vettius and His Friends, would you mind if I change the page count to 304+[8] and add missing title "Men Hunting Things (excerpt)" on page [309] before I PV? Thanks! Phil 09:39, 28 March 2022 (EDT)

I think that's kind of clumsy because of the lack of page numbers in the pub, but I have no big objection. Bob 10:12, 28 March 2022 (EDT)

Poul Anderson's The Year of the Ransom

Hello, Bob! The entry already states "A rough word count makes it 25,000 words." and guesses that it's really not a novel. I don't know who entered this, but I guess that makes the text a novella, and the publication a CHAPBOOK. I'd like to adapt this accordingly. Do you have any other information about this? Regards, Christian Stonecreek 01:44, 30 March 2022 (EDT)

Chrisian, that sounds like an excellent idea. Looking at the pub, it just isn't a novel in length. Bob 12:00, 30 March 2022 (EDT)

New Terrors Titles

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?283720; I recently discovered a photo of the original Pan edition of New Terrors 2 which showed the title page says New Terrors Two, so title and cover art/intro were changed to reflect that; however, the zine linked above has a review of New Terrors 2. Does it say that in your PV copy? Also, there's a review of New Terrors 1, but there is no such title; Pan and Pocket editions were just New Terrors on their title pages, while Pocket edition of the second volume was New Terrors II. It's likely this American magazine reviewed the American editions, in which case the reviews should be linked to those specific editions, I think. --Username 19:38, 12 April 2022 (EDT)

The review is for both pubs and titled "New Terrors, Volumes 1 & 2". The numbers are not used elsewhere in the review, just "New Terrors". Bob 09:05, 13 April 2022 (EDT)

And All the Stars a Stage

[2] added page # of first page, if you have no objection. gzuckier 22:56, 12 April 2022 (EDT)

Fine with me. Bob 08:59, 13 April 2022 (EDT)

Nice Girl with 5 Husbands

Please see this discussion. Based on the Internet Archive scan, I have changed the "Nice Girl with Five Husbands" to "Nice Girl with 5 Husbands" for your verified Galaxy Science Fiction, April 1951. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 18:02, 25 April 2022 (EDT)

Cool. Bob 09:39, 26 April 2022 (EDT)

Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe

Another PVerifier of the edition, moderator Willem H., is already at work on the submissions reported here. --Pwendt 16:37 EDT

Hi. You verified one undated printing of Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe T2163025. Working this hour from our record of 2001 first ed./printing, I submitted 15 Title Update, namely:

Spelling (3)

• Sir Gawain & the Green Knight, Pearl and Sir Ofreo • The Wtcher in the Water • Shalob's Lair

Capitals (12)

• After a hot afternoon of photos • Fourteenth-century archer [2] • Fourteenth-century archer • Boar hunting • Shelob about to leap on Frodo • road to Caradhras • Gollum Vignette • Shire Vignette • Earthdawn: Throal, The Dwarf Kingdom • The Knight battles two Giants • Melkor Calls forth Ungoliante • Knight on airplane wing
I did not change "-century" (a rule I would need to look up), only "archer". The submissions queue is quite long --my own date from -04-26 but someday soon you might revisit the publication record and scan its Contents.

By the way, do you know whether all of the INTERIORART in this John Howe collection are previously published? --Pwendt|talk 16:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT)

Willem H. has approved or modified all 15, and now also replied at User talk:Willem H.‎#Myth & Magic: The Art of John Howe. There is at least one other "-century" or two in the contents list, I recall.
Probably I will add one or two of the Knights picture books by Howe, early this month. --Pwendt|talk 17:08, 1 May 2022 (EDT)
On a second pass I submitted 5 more Title tweaks including 2 spelling:
Spelling (+2, total 5)

• Gandalf upon Gwalhir sketch • Minus Tirith

Willem H. mentioned that he doesn't have time to check the book. FWIW, it seems unlikely to me that any of the spelling errors are original to the collection.
It occurs to me that "caps" for capitals may be considered adequate, without Talk page notice, like "+oclc". --Pwendt|talk 17:59, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
One of those Myth & Magic illustrations led me to another of your PV publications, where this is probably your typo, 'Hobbitt' with two 't' T2167315. --Pwendt|talk 18:12, 2 May 2022 (EDT)
That's the kind of typo I typically make. Fixed. If you want my input on these pubs, glad to help if I can. But it wasn't clear until this last item if you expected me to respond. Bob 14:42, 3 May 2022 (EDT)

>> By the way, do you know whether all of the INTERIORART in this John Howe collection are previously published? --Pwendt|talk 16:38, 1 May 2022 (EDT) <<
I did hope you or Willem H. would reply to that. (Willem replied to my "-century" remark and doesn't have time for the book; welcomes your identification of original publications, or mine by implication.)
• Lacking title Note or MakeVariant: does that mean previously unpublished ("sketch" and some others), or unpublished artwork for Lord of the Rings and Hobbit films, etc?

This week I have improved coverage of John Howe without any books in hand; spotted the "caps" and "sp" while using Myth & Magic as a reference on Howe works that may be in the database, or not. I have improved children's picture book Rip Van Winkle and added c.p.b. Jack and the Beanstalk and The Knight with the Lion (those three all "retold and illustrated by John Howe", and all in the submission queue). I am away for most of the next ten days but late Spring i might order all four c.p.b. --those three and Beowulf-- from our local public library network, which does not hold art collections such as Myth & Magic nor art anthologies. If/when I succeed in borrowing, I'll cooperate in identifying some selections, if you wish. Or simply add title notes "Unknown selection from ...[linked to our 1st ed. publication record]". --Pwendt|talk 12:30, 7 May 2022 (EDT)

Weird looking publisher for Tiamat's Wrath xtpb

Hi, you submitted this pub a couple of years ago - any idea what's up with the publisher name? Amazon UK and Blackwell's list it as coming from Orbit, the latter indicating it's an export edition, although it's unclear if that's from the UK or US incarnations of Orbit. The ISBN - 978-0-356-* rather than 978-0-316-* - would imply the UK branch though.

Googling for "elsagothic face powder" mostly finds the sort of cosmetic stuff you might expect, although there are a few other book-related pages (example), so perhaps there is something bigger going on than just this particular pub.... ErsatzCulture 18:04, 11 May 2022 (EDT)

Sorry, can't help, I just don't recall. I suspect the information on Amazon at the time was as shown, but I can't explain it. Bob 08:14, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
No worries - any objection to me changing the publisher to Orbit? I see the Amazon.com listing is still up with "ElsaGothic Face Powder", but it's a third party listing with a bogus December 6, 2018 pub date (which I have a vague recollection might have been the originally scheduled date, before the book got pushed back into early 2019). The UK vendor listings that have Orbit are [3], [4] and [5] for reference. Thanks! ErsatzCulture 15:54, 12 May 2022 (EDT)
No objection. Bob 08:16, 13 May 2022 (EDT)
Thanks, all updated now. ErsatzCulture 17:05, 13 May 2022 (EDT)

Guardians of Time cover

I credited the cover of Guardians of Time to Paul Lehr and made it a variant of his The Stars, Like Dust at Fawcett. MOHearn 09:06, 13 May 2022 (EDT)

Wow, I had no idea! Bob 10:53, 13 May 2022 (EDT)

Julek Heller image.

Hello Bob. You have a copy of Six Fantasy Artists at Work: Dream Makers. I wonder if you could do me a favour. Could you check page 47 - the Julek Heller image for this publication. If you look closely you will notice a vertical line along the whole of the artwork at the top. The first inch appears to be from a totally different piece of artwork, shows square structures on stilts - it's signed 'Heller' just below the Pan logo (top front cover) so definately the same artist but doesn't match the sea serpent part of the main image - I did an experiment by matching the top part of the book with the bottom in Photoshop and they definately don't marry. Does this obvious error appear in the image in the book you have ? --Mavmaramis 11:57, 14 May 2022 (EDT)

The image in "Dream Makers" doesn't have the line at the top, just a continuation of the clouds. Bob 19:51, 22 May 2022 (EDT)

Robot Blues publisher change

I'd like to change the publisher on Robot Blues to "Roc / Dutton Signet". Does your copy agree? --Glenn 20:53, 14 May 2022 (EDT)

Go ahead. I guess I would prefer just "Roc". Bob 19:23, 22 May 2022 (EDT)

Trial of Billy Jack

From Wikipedia's page for the book: "Billy Jack is released from prison and, trying to reconnect with his spiritual beliefs, begins a series of lengthy vision quests." That's why it's reviewed on several genre sites in addition to the usual mainstream ones; https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0072317/externalreviews. The wizened old native on the cover was part of those visions, if I recall correctly from my viewing many years ago. --Username 17:42, 22 May 2022 (EDT)

I think that's pretty shaky, but if you want to resubmit, add a note saying why you feel this is genre. Bob 19:24, 22 May 2022 (EDT)
It's not shaky; there's a very long scene in the movie where Billy Jack goes on a series of vision quests in which he sees all kinds of supernatural visions and meets his double and things like that, of which there are many pictures online, some in those IMDB reviews I linked. Certainly it belongs here more than a lot of the books I've come across that have been entered on ISFDB over the years which only have the barest hint of a possible genre connection and yet were approved with no problem, often with no note about anything. As I explained earlier today, I'm not looking at rejected edits anymore because it's clear they're being rejected for personal rather than legitimate reasons, so if someone else wants to enter it, fine; if not, fine. It's a rare book not mentioned on many genre websites, from an obscure publisher, so ISFDB having a record for it would probably be a good thing. --Username 20:02, 22 May 2022 (EDT)
O.K., if you want to act like a spoiled brat, go ahead. I'll try to continue to act responsibly. Bob 14:15, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
It's a perfectly legitimate reason not to enter rejected edits anymore if I feel they're being rejected for personal reasons; if I recall from many months ago when you used to mod regularly you rejected many of my edits for any reason you could think of and wasted a lot of my time having to "fix" them, and there have been many other mods who've done similar. I enter hundreds of edits a week, every week, tens of thousands of edits in total, for almost a year and a half now, so obviously I have no problem entering edits, but I'm tired of having to re-do them to satisfy the whims of people who are mad about whatever it is they're mad about and abuse their power as mods in order to make my life more difficult; those are the real spoiled brats. Regardless, in this case as with many others you rejected one of my edits you shouldn't have because this is definitely a genre-related book, so the least you could do is enter it yourself; then your name will be in the edit history and if anyone ever inquires as to who entered this rare book you can pretend it was you. --Username 18:23, 23 May 2022 (EDT)
I don't agree it's a genre pub. I would accept your opinion if you entered it properly. Bob 18:59, 23 May 2022 (EDT)


http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5318502; Mentioning this rejected edit here in case you want to fix your PV title. --Username 11:08, 24 May 2022 (EDT)

Kobo Abe photo question

When you have a moment, could you please review this section of the Moderator Noticeboard and respond to Username? TIA! Ahasuerus 11:53, 27 May 2022 (EDT)

Done. Bob 13:57, 1 June 2022 (EDT)


Bob, I have a question re: this edit I'm holding. My question is whether Conscience should be classified as a novella. You originally entered it here based on a review in your verified pub. The publisher refers to it as a novella on the cover of the publication in question. Wikipedia classifies it as a novella on its John Skipp page. The author calls it a 'short novel', whatever that means, in the introduction here. If we don't change to novella, how should I handle the publication in question? Thanks for your help, John Scifibones 11:12, 1 June 2022 (EDT)

Novella seems more appropriate, so go ahead and change it. I think that term "short novel" got in the way. Bob 14:01, 1 June 2022 (EDT)
Done. John Scifibones 14:26, 1 June 2022 (EDT)

Sir Harold and the Gnome King

Hi Bob

I'm going to add the month to your verified edition of the hardcover of Sir Harold and the Gnome King. Locus1 has it as August, 1991. I'll also be adding the Reginald number and cleaning up the <br/> tags while I'm in there. Please let me know if you have any problems with these changes and I can put it back. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 21:33, 4 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks! Bob 10:08, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

House That Stood Still + Jack of Eagles

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?194705; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?229505; Pub. series (Corwin) added. --Username 13:22, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

Didn't realize that. Bob 15:22, 8 June 2022 (EDT)

White Wolf ID

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5333639; Someone, maybe you, entered the ID in Notes and there's a back cover photo on Amazon which also shows it, and I explained both those things in my edit but it was rejected, anyway. So does your copy have the same ID so this can be un-rejected? --Username 14:34, 8 June 2022 (EDT)

O.K., approved. If you want to add similar numbers for "Ill Met in" (last digit 0), "Return to" (2) and "Farewell to" (3), just note that you got verifier's approval. Bob 15:35, 8 June 2022 (EDT)

Richard Delap

Hi Bob

I think there may be a typo on page 34 of of the January 1971 issue of Science Fiction Review. Could you take a look at your copy and see if Delap's first name as "Rchard" is our typo or theirs? We can then correct or variant it, as appropriate. Thanks for looking. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 07:18, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

The mag does spell Delap's name correctly as "Richard". Corrected. Bob 08:57, 9 June 2022 (EDT)

Writers of the 21st Century Series

http://www.isfdb.org/wiki/index.php/User_talk:Mavmaramis#More_Rejects_That_Shouldn.27t_Be; OK'd by guy. --Username 08:05, 12 June 2022 (EDT)

Approved. Bob 09:03, 12 June 2022 (EDT)
You only approved 1 of them; http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/view_submission.cgi?5336124 wasn't approved. --Username 09:41, 12 June 2022 (EDT)
Approved. Bob 15:43, 12 June 2022 (EDT)


For Dragonsong, would you mind if I import the title Foreword on page ix? Thanks! Phil 08:41, 16 June 2022 (EDT)

Many times verified, but none of us thought it worthwhile to add the "Foreword". Sure, go ahead. Bob 11:32, 17 June 2022 (EDT)

The Ends of the Circle / printing statement

For The Ends of the Circle I'd like to change '1st printing' to "First Ballantine Books Edition: April 1981" / No printing statement or number line on copyright page / "First Time in Print" on back cover. Ok with you? --Glenn 15:41, 17 June 2022 (EDT)

No big objection. But it is the first printing, Ballantine or anyone else. Bob 18:56, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
How would you indicate a first printing when the book doesn't explicitly state so? In general, I've preferred to record information from the book, and let folks decide what it means. Seems this deals with rules changes more resiliently. (This is a serious question, not just me being contrarian). --Glenn 15:21, 18 June 2022 (EDT)
If it says "First time in print" doesn't that make a first printing? Bob 18:15, 18 June 2022 (EDT)
Except when it doesn't. 2nd printing. Perhaps when it's "First time in print" and no additional printing info given should be what I consider. My unsupported intuition is that publishers are more reluctant to change the cover than the internal copyright page. --Glenn 19:57, 18 June 2022 (EDT)

Illustraton Magazine

Since you entered the first issue of the magazine I thought you might be interested to know that back and future issues are available in digital format on the subscription service magster.--swfritter 20:01, 19 June 2022 (EDT)

Thanks. Bob 08:28, 20 June 2022 (EDT)

Daughter(s) of Earth

Please see this pending edit. The note being added seems to suggest that we have the incorrect form of the title for the Merril story. I'm adding this same note on the other verifier's pages. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 09:55, 30 June 2022 (EDT)

Clearly the title given in the pub is correct; I suggest that fact appear in the notes. Bob 15:26, 30 June 2022 (EDT)

Castaways of New Mohave/Mojave

When you get a chance, could you please check the spelling of the title of your verified Castaways of New Mohave? I suspect that "Mohave" may be a typo for "Mojave". TIA! Ahasuerus 16:03, 4 July 2022 (EDT)

I guess I spell them as I pronounce them. Fixed, thanks. Bob 20:33, 4 July 2022 (EDT)
Thanks for checking! I have merged the tp and ebook versions of the title, so we should be all set. Ahasuerus 21:09, 4 July 2022 (EDT)

The Princess' Choice / The Princess' Choice

A quick note to let you know that I have changed "Pricess" to "Princess" in this verified pub based on Amazon's Look Inside and the fact that the INTERIORART titles in the same pub were spelled correctly. Ahasuerus 16:36, 5 July 2022 (EDT)

Thank you, much appreciated. Bob 19:28, 5 July 2022 (EDT)


http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?638449; I fixed the other "Charles R. Sanders" on ISFDB to "Saunders" in Windhaven, but this one has 2 PV, you and someone who died, so is it Saunders in this, too? --Username 19:34, 6 July 2022 (EDT)

Damn, the problem is always in a pub I have no idea where it's filed. Found it, fixed it -- it is indeed Saunders. Bob 18:54, 7 July 2022 (EDT)

Ghosts & Scholars #9, 1087

Bob, while working on 'Publications with Invalid Page Numbers' this pub was flagged. I fixed the item that flagged it 'ifc' changed to 'fc'. The reason I'm writing this note is that the review 'The Tale of an Empty House and Other Ghost Stories' was missing the pipe value, so it was showing up at the beginning of the publication. I added 38.1 t the sort field, if the order is wrong and it should go before the other review on page 38, you need to correct it. John Scifibones 10:01, 8 July 2022 (EDT)

The publication date and cover art date were entered as 1087, not 1987. Also, who's Bo? --Username 10:52, 8 July 2022 (EDT)
'ifc' should have been 'fep', not 'fc'. Checked the order, all good. Fixed dates. No idea who Bo is. Bob 08:47, 9 July 2022 (EDT)


Escape is on this report because the page number '1|[4]' has a bracketed sort value. I didn't change it because it isn't clear what the value should be. The order for the titles before page 10 looks a little strange. Will you clear this one? John Scifibones 12:34, 10 July 2022 (EDT)

John, the pages are now in the right order, with all the bracketed pages up front as they should be. I'm not sure if this is the way these unnumbered lead pages should be treated, but at least now the order is correct. Bob 22:53, 10 July 2022 (EDT)

Songs of the Dark

Would you mind double checking Songs of the Dark? Does the story on page 11 have a subtitle on the title page? In the original appearance in Unfettered II, the story did not list the subtitle in the ToC, but it was listed as A Duel of Evils; or, The Fall of Kethia on the title page. I've updated the hc Unfettered II and pinged the verifier of the other editions. I thought I would ask about your pub as well just on the off chance. Thanks. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:26, 16 July 2022 (EDT)