Talk:Jules Verne Translations

So why did I create this page? It's complicated. Not the reasons, but because Jules Verne translations are complicated and there's a lot of them. My hope is that this page will allow people to navigate this complexity without having to hide information.

LAYOUT

The entries are separated into three categories, based on title type - Novel, Short Fiction and Non-fiction. Just trying to break up the list a bit.

Within the categories, entries are listed by the canonical French titles in alphabetical order. The only reason for this is because I wanted to organize them the same way the database does (making syncrhonization easier) and used the French title because it a) matched the database and b) gave a logical place for a link to the parent title for all of the translations. Alphabetical order was the simplest and to tell the truth, most people won't use the table of contents because they don't know the French titles. I expect they will do a text search for the title they have in hand.

Within a title, the translations are organized by the translated language, in alphabetical order using the English name. I am hoping to add some additional information regarding the French editions regarding how many parts they were published in and how these were titled. This may help editors understand the range and selection of translated titles.

Within each language is a table listing the translations. As I assumed the primary use for the page would be to locate the title corresponding to a book in hand, the order of fields was intended to make that easier. A translator is generally the most definitive way, so it's on the left. The corresponding text follows as it would be the next best technique. If the editor is working from catalogue information and not the actual text, knowing the original publisher and date may be useful if the book / entry noted the information. The final entry is the ISFDB-defined title entry, which incorporates a link under which the editor could "Add a publication". The translations are ordered by the earliest publication of the translation, regardless of title and the titles are ordered by their first publication and not alphabetically. The exception to this rule is that modified translations by named translators will be sorted to follow the original translation.

If a translation is published under multiple titles, the ISFDB database has a separate TITLE entry for each. This is handled in the tables by splitting translation rows and providing multiple date/publisher/title entries under a single translation. There really is no reason to keep the date and publisher for subsequent titles beyond keeping the layout clean.

The amount of text included is not always the opening paragraph. I've tried to keep the text to being as small as possible while keeping enough to distinguish translations and be relatively complete sentences and / or paragraphs.

There are a three major complications - multiple parts to a title, multiple versions of a translation and abridgements.

Multiple parts to a title

Jules Verne delivered his novels in similarly sized 'books'. A single novel would be comprised of one, two or even three of these 'books'. In some cases the novels are known by an overarching title and in others by their sub-titles or 'Partie'. The wiki page follows the title convention used in the ISFDB database. Translations could be of the overall title, the individual titles, as full titles or sub-titles, as omnibuses and, in at least one case, three-part novels published in two parts.

Where this occurs, translation text is provided as multiple paragraphs with each part identified by an italicised, bracketed identifier, all within the same translation cell. Where a given title includes less than the full text, it is followed by a similar identifier.

Multiple versions of a translation

A number of translations have used earlier translations as their source, rather than the original text. The wiki page makes no assessment of how different the translations are, it follows the ISFDB database, treating two separate titles as different translations. The approach taken in the tables is to provide a separate row for each translation. Where the translator is known the name is repeated along with the editor. Where the translator is an unknown hand, the text alone would distinguish translations.

Abridgements

Regrettably, many of the translations of Jules Verne are also abridgements, sometimes rather extensive. The rule is not as firm here, but the wiki still follows the ISFDB database. If the abridged text is varianted to the French, it will be included.

WIKI SOURCE

Each French title forms a separate editable section. The forrmat and coding standard is:

Header

=== [link_to_French_TITLE_record French_title_text] ===

Language break and header

'''LANGUAGE'''

Table header

{| border="1" cellspacing="1" cellpadding="3" style="background-color: FFFFD0; "

! rowspan="2" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Translator

! rowspan="2" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Translation text (from opening paragraph)

! colspan="3" style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Title Information

|-

! style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Date

! style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | First Publisher

! style="background-color: #f5f5f5;" | Title

|-

Simple translation entry

|| Translator or an anonymous hand or an unknown hand

|| Translation

|| Earliest publication date

|| Publisher of earliest publication

|| [<nowiki>''link_to_translated_TITLE_record'' ''translated_title_text''<nowiki>]

|-

Multi-title translation entry

| rowspan="n" | Translator or an anonymous hand or an unknown hand

| rowspan="n" | Translation

|| Earliest publication date 1

|| Publisher of earliest publication 1

|| [link_to_translated_TITLE_record translated_title_text 1]

|-

...

|| Earliest publication date n

|| Publisher of earliest publication n

|| [link_to_translated_TITLE_record translated_title_text n]

|-

Table closing

|}

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DISCUSSION

Autour de la Lune in English; Publication text is not known

Just now I updated section 1.1 to match database Title views (NOVEL Title records with summary lists of their assigned Publication records) --only for English language, unknown text. I did not resequence by year, to preserve the most readable "Difference between revisions" (see).

As I understand the page design, this is a correction --data in the table were wrong, now right-- altho quite limited in scope (one "Multi-title translation entry", and without re-sequence). Thanks in advance, for when you (Holmesd) can visit the six Title records and confirm my understanding and my clerical work, or explain otherwise.

The parenthetical year for entry "... 1931 Airmont Books (1977)" records that we date the title 1931 but we don't report any publication earlier than this one, as 1977.

(I don't pre-judge that a complete record should be maintained here, or that the default organization as subsection with level-3 heading under level-2 DISCUSSION should be maintained. Feel free to remove this, after reply I hope, or to abridge it severely.) --Pwendt|talk 19:56, 28 February 2020 (EST)

I created the documentation on discussion page to assist anyone interested in keeping the Wiki page up-to-date and realized as I did so that there were places where I had not followed the so-called standard when I set it up. I expect I will be spending the next several weeks just reviewing and bringing the page into alignment.

You're updates are, as far as they went, fine. I did notice that some of the 'unknown's may in fact be knowable - I see I own one publication that's top of the list. I also expect that dealing with the unknowns will also be part of the next several weeks. ../Doug H 10:43, 29 February 2020 (EST)

Le désert de glace

Doug, Do you know whether series Captain Hatteras, with this novel as #2 and implied sequel, will be eliminated in favor of making every issue (Part I and/or II) a variant of Voyages et aventures du capitaine Hatteras ? ISFDB is now inconsistent for this story, and probably for some translations of Part II.

I'm just going through the wiki updating notes with how these were originally published. My leaning is to amalgamate these books into a single title - with the exception of the Moon books. The others were published consecutively and were (presumably) given the same title or series name. The Moon books were published years apart. As I get to each book, I"ll have to do some clean-up. The full title is near the end (Voyage ....), but I'll hit it sooner (Le désert ...). Killing the series may take some forum discussion. I won't be putting it into the Voyage Extraordinaires though - my plan is to make that a publisher series (Hetzel) rather than title series. ../Doug H 15:12, 4 March 2020 (EST)

Munro's Seaside Library

It looks like some people have entered publications as novels under the publisher's series the Seaside Library and other have treated it as a magazine. I'm leaning to the magazine approach and converting. But still thinking. ../Doug H 16:49, 5 March 2020 (EST)