Talk:Jules Verne Series

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This page is intended to be used to discuss points raised on the main page. As new information and arguments comes to light, amendments will be made to the main page.

A first commentary

"A Publication series is a group of publications marked out by the Publisher in some way." (from the various NewPub help texts). So it seems that for example Voyages extraordinaires can only be a pub. series if it is used by the publisher(s) on or in the various publications. {quotation added to main page. ../Doug H 13:47, 28 June 2020 (EDT)}

In addition, this series seems to describe a certain idea of special voyages which would make it a title series: if so, it is the question if for example Baltimore Gun Club shouldn't be a sub-series of it.

If on the other hand Voyages extraordinaires is exclusively used by (for example) Hetzel it should in fact be only established as a pub. series for this publisher. Plus: Voyages extraordinaires is an idea that would describe many more texts of speculative fition. Christian Stonecreek 01:12, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

A response:
  • Voyages extraordinaires is used used on, in and about the various French language publications by Hetzel, it's subsequent owner Hachette and it's later imprint Le Livre de Poche. I can find no reference to it, or the English equivalent in any English translation, other than in ESSAY level material.
  • The NewPub help texts contain a reference to the second quotation I provided. What I hadn't included was "A Publication Series is a series of publications. This is what distinguishes Publication Series from regular Series, which link titles.".
Quotation extended on main page. ../Doug H 10:54, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
  • The use of sub-series is something I hadn't considered. I have included it on the main page, with comment on difficulty of Pym and Robinsons.
  • Exclusivity of the use of a series by a single publisher is not a criteria for a publication series. I expect that there are many title series that are only used by one publisher (e.g. Aliena).
  • Voyages extraordinaires is printed in the publications and so, while the concept may be widely used, the claim to using that series name goes to the Jules Verne works. Also, the stories go together not because of what they have in common, but in what they don't have in common - they are each a piece of a mosaic, totally separate, but in conjunction form a single picture.
../Doug H 10:48, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

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Probably my mistake. It should have been a publication series. Corrected now, and no longer cluttering the Jules Verne biblio page. --Willem 15:35, 27 June 2020 (EDT)
reference removed from the main page. ../Doug H 10:53, 28 June 2020 (EDT)

Voyages extraordinaires

I.m.o. Voyages extraordinaires should be a publication series, as should be the Dutch translations published by Elsevier (under the title Jules Verne Wonderreizen) and maybe others. Most of the novels have no connecting setting or personages. B.t.w., should the discussions be moved to the discussion page? --Willem 15:32, 27 June 2020 (EDT)

Move made. ../Doug H 10:45, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
Should the Dutch books be part of the "Voyages extraordinaires"? ../Doug H 14:01, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
Depends on the decision, if it becomes a publication series, the Dutch Elsevier editions will have their own pub series (Jules Verne Wonderreizen) as soon as it's possible to assign multiple series to a pub/title. If it remains a title series, the Dutch translations will automatically remain part of this series. --Willem 16:44, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
Let me rephrase, even if the publisher makes a series - Jules Verne Wonderreizen -, do you think that the titles included in that series should be part of the "Voyages extraordinaires". ../Doug H 18:11, 28 June 2020 (EDT)
Sorry it took so long, I've been very busy with my house. About the title series: If Verne intended the novels to be connected in some way (it seems he did), the original titles should all be part of the Voyages extraordinaires title series. All translations will automatically follow. Since some of the novels are also part of other series this can only be accomplished when multiple series can be assigned. This is not connected to whatever publication series a publication belongs. (so in short, the answer is yes) (: --Willem 15:03, 1 July 2020 (EDT)