https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Jules_Verne_Series&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Jules Verne Series - Revision history2024-03-29T14:14:29ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.6https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Jules_Verne_Series&diff=584032&oldid=prevWillem H.: /* Voyages extraordinaires */2020-07-01T19:03:46Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Voyages extraordinaires</span></span></p>
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<tr><td colspan="2"> </td><td class='diff-marker'>+</td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::Sorry it took so long, I've been very busy with my house. About the title series: If Verne intended the novels to be connected in some way (it seems he did), the original titles should all be part of the ''Voyages extraordinaires'' title series. All translations will automatically follow. Since some of the novels are also part of other series this can only be accomplished when multiple series can be assigned. This is not connected to whatever publication series a publication belongs. (so in short, the answer is yes) (: --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:03, 1 July 2020 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>
</table>Willem H.https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Jules_Verne_Series&diff=583980&oldid=prevHolmesd: /* Voyages extraordinaires */ rephrasing2020-06-28T22:11:52Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Voyages extraordinaires: </span> rephrasing</span></p>
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</table>Holmesdhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Jules_Verne_Series&diff=583979&oldid=prevWillem H.: /* Voyages extraordinaires */2020-06-28T20:44:16Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Voyages extraordinaires</span></span></p>
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</table>Willem H.https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Jules_Verne_Series&diff=583975&oldid=prevHolmesd: /* Voyages extraordinaires */ part of VE?2020-06-28T18:01:45Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Voyages extraordinaires: </span> part of VE?</span></p>
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</table>Holmesdhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Jules_Verne_Series&diff=583965&oldid=prevHolmesd: /* A first commentary */ quotation updated2020-06-28T14:54:26Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">A first commentary: </span> quotation updated</span></p>
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</table>Holmesdhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Jules_Verne_Series&diff=583964&oldid=prevHolmesd: /* Op Weg naar de Wereld van Morgen */ ref removed2020-06-28T14:53:24Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Op Weg naar de Wereld van Morgen: </span> ref removed</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I.m.o. ''Voyages extraordinaires'' should be a publication series, as should be the Dutch translations published by Elsevier (under the title ''Jules Verne Wonderreizen'') and maybe others. Most of the novels have no connecting setting or personages. B.t.w., should the discussions be moved to the discussion page? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:32, 27 June 2020 (EDT)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I.m.o. ''Voyages extraordinaires'' should be a publication series, as should be the Dutch translations published by Elsevier (under the title ''Jules Verne Wonderreizen'') and maybe others. Most of the novels have no connecting setting or personages. B.t.w., should the discussions be moved to the discussion page? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:32, 27 June 2020 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Holmesdhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Jules_Verne_Series&diff=583959&oldid=prevHolmesd: Moving in comments from main page2020-06-28T14:45:38Z<p>Moving in comments from main page</p>
<p><b>New page</b></p><div>==A first commentary==<br />
"A Publication series is a group of publications marked out by the Publisher in some way." (from the various '''NewPub''' help texts). So it seems that for example ''Voyages extraordinaires'' can only be a pub. series if it is used by the publisher(s) on or in the various publications. <br />
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In addition, this series seems to describe a certain idea of special voyages which would make it a title series: if so, it is the question if for example ''Baltimore Gun Club'' shouldn't be a sub-series of it. <br />
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If on the other hand ''Voyages extraordinaires'' is exclusively used by (for example) Hetzel it should in fact be only established as a pub. series for this publisher. Plus: ''Voyages extraordinaires'' is an idea that would describe many more texts of speculative fition. Christian [[User:Stonecreek|Stonecreek]] 01:12, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:A response:<br />
:*''Voyages extraordinaires'' is used used on, in and about the various French language publications by ''Hetzel'', it's subsequent owner ''Hachette'' and it's later imprint ''Le Livre de Poche''. I can find no reference to it, or the English equivalent in any English translation, other than in ESSAY level material. <br />
:*The '''NewPub''' help texts contain a reference to the second quotation I provided. What I hadn't included was "A Publication Series is a series of publications. This is what distinguishes Publication Series from regular Series, which link titles.".<br />
:*The use of sub-series is something I hadn't considered. <br />
:*Exclusivity of the use of a series by a single publisher is not a criteria for a publication series. I expect that there are many title series that are only used by one publisher (e.g. [http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?38658 Aliena]). <br />
:*''Voyages extraordinaires'' is printed in the publications and so, while the concept may be widely used, the claim to using that series name goes to the Jules Verne works. Also, the stories go together not because of what they have in common, but in what they don't have in common - they are each a piece of a mosaic, totally separate, but in conjunction form a single picture. <br />
:../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:48, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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==Op Weg naar de Wereld van Morgen==<br />
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*[http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pe.cgi?38641 Op Weg naar de Wereld van Morgen] - a Dutch publication series containing an omnibus.<br />
: Probably my mistake. It should have been a publication series. Corrected now, and no longer cluttering the Jules Verne biblio page. --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:35, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
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==Voyages extraordinaires==<br />
I.m.o. ''Voyages extraordinaires'' should be a publication series, as should be the Dutch translations published by Elsevier (under the title ''Jules Verne Wonderreizen'') and maybe others. Most of the novels have no connecting setting or personages. B.t.w., should the discussions be moved to the discussion page? --[[User:Willem H.|Willem]] 15:32, 27 June 2020 (EDT)<br />
:Move made. ../[[User:Holmesd|Doug H]] 10:45, 28 June 2020 (EDT)</div>Holmesd