https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&feed=atom&action=historyTalk:Gutter code - Revision history2024-03-29T07:35:16ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.35.6https://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&diff=144767&oldid=prevMartyD: /* BOMC gutter codes? */2009-03-29T11:04:01Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">BOMC gutter codes?</span></span></p>
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</table>MartyDhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&diff=144766&oldid=prevMartyD: /* Knopf / BOMC gutter codes? */ new section2009-03-29T10:49:12Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Knopf / BOMC gutter codes?: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>MartyDhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&diff=131657&oldid=prevMarc Kupper: /* Early 1959 gutter codes */ new section2008-10-16T08:23:28Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Early 1959 gutter codes: </span> new section</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: I'd guess it's a 1983 reprint of {{p|DNPLHFMHLC1971}} that they still had in stock in the late 1980s. I've updated the table to include W, X, and Y as all three of those codes are showing up in reprints with W confirmed for 1981. Y49 was already listed as a reprint on [[Publisher:SFBC_1970-1974#1971]]. I've not figured out the pattern yet as to why some gutter codes have a space, others a hyphen, and sometimes flipped to 18Q, etc. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 03:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>: I'd guess it's a 1983 reprint of {{p|DNPLHFMHLC1971}} that they still had in stock in the late 1980s. I've updated the table to include W, X, and Y as all three of those codes are showing up in reprints with W confirmed for 1981. Y49 was already listed as a reprint on [[Publisher:SFBC_1970-1974#1971]]. I've not figured out the pattern yet as to why some gutter codes have a space, others a hyphen, and sometimes flipped to 18Q, etc. <span style="border: 1px solid #f0f; border-bottom: none; padding: 0 2px">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc&nbsp;Kupper]]&nbsp;([[User talk:Marc Kupper|talk]])</span> 03:44, 4 October 2008 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Marc Kupperhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&diff=130407&oldid=prevMarc Kupper: /* Y code */2008-10-04T03:45:36Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Y code</span></span></p>
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</table>Marc Kupperhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&diff=130406&oldid=prevMarc Kupper: /* Y code */2008-10-04T03:44:56Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Y code</span></span></p>
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</table>Marc Kupperhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&diff=130114&oldid=prevBluesman: /* Y code */ new section2008-10-01T16:32:10Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Y code: </span> new section</span></p>
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</table>Bluesmanhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&diff=126836&oldid=prevBLongley: /* Magic's Pawn */ Printings, editions, Publishers and imprints2008-09-02T21:18:26Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Magic's Pawn: </span> Printings, editions, Publishers and imprints</span></p>
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<tr><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::More like "found wanting", I think. It does help organize our "unknown" printings, but it is also somewhat misleading because it implies that they all appeared the same month as the first printing. It also makes subsequent undated printings appear before earlier printings with a known publication date. Now that Al has more time for the ISFDB (fingers crossed), we hope that he will eventually add a new field for printing numbers (along with standardizing publisher IDs), which should address 90% of our concerns. Unfortunately, some late 19th-early 20th century publishers used a two tier notation along the lines of "2nd edition, 4th printing" (a number of my F. Anstey books are like that), but that should only affect a small percentage of our records. Always something :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:08, 9 Feb 2008 (CST)</div></td><td class='diff-marker'> </td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::More like "found wanting", I think. It does help organize our "unknown" printings, but it is also somewhat misleading because it implies that they all appeared the same month as the first printing. It also makes subsequent undated printings appear before earlier printings with a known publication date. Now that Al has more time for the ISFDB (fingers crossed), we hope that he will eventually add a new field for printing numbers (along with standardizing publisher IDs), which should address 90% of our concerns. Unfortunately, some late 19th-early 20th century publishers used a two tier notation along the lines of "2nd edition, 4th printing" (a number of my F. Anstey books are like that), but that should only affect a small percentage of our records. Always something :) [[User:Ahasuerus|Ahasuerus]] 00:08, 9 Feb 2008 (CST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Marc Kupperhttps://isfdb.org/wiki/index.php?title=Talk:Gutter_code&diff=126830&oldid=prevMarc Kupper: /* Hugo Winners, Volumes 1 & 2 */2008-09-02T20:20:47Z<p><span dir="auto"><span class="autocomment">Hugo Winners, Volumes 1 & 2</span></span></p>
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