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Ellison's Hornbook

Hello at some point in the next 20 odd days (oer thereabouts depending on vagaries of the US postal service to the UK) I will be getting a "presentation copy" of this wich comes as a set with this. My question is how to verify ? --Mavmaramis 14:18, 1 January 2021 (EST)

Could you explain what you mean by "how to verify" (or what you see as the problem(s) with verification)? --MartyD 08:08, 2 January 2021 (EST)
The notes make mention of the limitation (765 copies) and states that 750 were numbered and "the remainder were presentation copies not offered for sale." so if I verify it might simply appear that I have one of the 750 numbered copies as opposed to one of the 15 presentation copies unless I make a specific note to that effect. That's what I mean by "how to verify ?" Rtrace has PVd it, assume one of the 750 numbered copies, but he doesn't say which version he has. --Mavmaramis 17:03, 2 January 2021 (EST)
I suggest you compare your presentation copy with the record that's there (on the assumption the record is for a numbered copy). If it's the same, except for lack of number, then PV it and maybe add a note that a PV presentation copy's information matches the record. If something is different, then maybe we'd need another record, explicitly for the presentation copy, and cross-notes. --MartyD 12:10, 4 January 2021 (EST)

Le Voile de lances: Sharakhaï

I recently added this pub since I could not find it on the website. I listed the title as Le Voile de lances, but I think it is actually Le Voile de lances: Sharakhaï

It's 13 digit ISBN number is 9781473203075 The original US title is A Vail of Tears. Still working on how all this works aardvark7 17:09, 3 January 2021 (EST)

Patrick Tilley

Patrick Tilley, famed British science fiction writer, and author of the celebrated novel 'Mission'fade out sadly passed away on Monday, 25th May, 2020 is this true? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Jimsim (talk • contribs) .

That's what this Facebook page claims, but I haven't been able to find anything official. Ahasuerus 12:35, 9 January 2021 (EST)
Our friends at SFE3 were able to find a semi-official announcement of his death, so I have updated his ISFDB record. Thanks for reporting it! Ahasuerus 11:26, 14 January 2021 (EST)

Goodreads Choice Awards: missing non-genre categories

Just going through the (nominally) non-genre categories in this year's Goodreads Choice Awards, there are several books that are in ISFDB that were nominees in some of these categories. e.g.

Given that ISFDB already has some of the non-genre categories like Best Fiction, would it be OK to have the aforementioned 3 added as well? (As far as I can tell, there isn't functionality for a regular editor to be able to do this.) Whilst I wouldn't expect these categories to include many ISFDB-eligible works, it would surely be preferable to have any such nominations of ISFDB-eligible works recorded here?

(NB: for those who aren't familiar with these awards, 75% of the nominees are pre-selected by Goodreads using some opaque criteria - cynically I suspect they are engineered to try to maximize user engagement across as many categories as possible - which is why you get a number of genre(ish) works showing up in the non-genre categories, such as The Testaments appearing in Best Fiction rather than Best SF last year.)

Thanks. ErsatzCulture 14:17, 9 January 2021 (EST)

Done! Ahasuerus 14:28, 9 January 2021 (EST)
Thank you! ErsatzCulture 15:22, 9 January 2021 (EST)

Capek's R.U.R.

Hello Mods. Once again I have been contacted by a non ISFDB member in regards to this publication. Specifically the cover artwork. Research conducted (not by me) finds that it is a composite imgae. The contact has stated this: "Francis Bruguière (photo); Lee Simonson (inset poster art)" - further stating that, in respect of the photo, "originals exist at NYPL". A public citation for the poster appears on a Wikisource webpage here however the source of the photo at NYPL is still being investigated by a 3rd party. Is that sufficient evidence to edit the cover art credit and add a note or would you prefer to wait for a citation for the NYPL image as well ? --Mavmaramis 12:55, 13 January 2021 (EST)

Well - the photographer does not get a credit as an artist anyway (they get added to the notes). So add Simonson and add a note both in the coverart record and in the publication is probably the best we can do. Annie 16:00, 15 January 2021 (EST)
Thanks Annie. --Mavmaramis 02:00, 16 January 2021 (EST)

Pebble in the Sky

Hello I've come across a puzzle - or at least appears to be somthing of a quandry. There appears to be two 1974 Sphere editions both 3rd printings but with different cover art and different prices. One being this with the Peter Elson cover; the other being this with the Eddie Jones cover. Obviously, given the different artwork they're easily distinguishable but do you think this is another case of "reprinted without updating the copyright page; old stock was used with the new cover" ? --Mavmaramis 15:27, 15 January 2021 (EST)

See the statement here. Except that we have a 1971 one and no 1972 one... so something is definitely weird with the Sphere reprints. And £0.65 feels too expensive for 1974. So I suspect you may be right. You own both, right? Add some notes about all that? Annie 15:56, 15 January 2021 (EST)
Yes I own both versions so I'll add a note. Thanks. --Mavmaramis 01:27, 16 January 2021 (EST)

Are these out of copyright?

I wasn't aware of magazines published in the 1970s being out of copyright. Dave888 has been adding links to full magazine scans for some magazines from a site called Luminist.org. Examples: [1], [2]. Should we be allowing this? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:14, 15 January 2021 (EST)

Their archives page specifically states, "This collection may contain copyrighted material which has not been specifically authorized for our use." They seem to be claiming this is done under fair use, which seems a bit of stretch to me. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:18, 15 January 2021 (EST)

The Trigan Empire

Hello Moda.In regards to this publication. Annie (on 27 October 2020) stated on my talk page that is is "technically not eligible" as it is entirely graphic format (Collection of comics "Tales of the Trigan Empire") and that she would be "proposing it to be deleted." This has not happened (as yet). Since there are only two editions (the Hamlyn and Chartwell) - I'm the sole PV for the Hamlyn edition and Teddybear (who is no longer active) is the sole PV for that edition I have no objections to the deletion of this publication (by whoemever). --Mavmaramis 03:46, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Art of Vicente Segrelles

Hello Mods me again. I discovered (purely by chance via ABE dealer listings) that this publication is (in the words of the two dealer listings on ABE) an "ultra rare English softback Translation". My copy gives no indation of this rarity so can anyone shed any light on the matter please ? --Mavmaramis 07:01, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Dealers often use wording like that, sometimes to justify charging a higher price. Whether it actually is rare doesn't really matter unless it was a limited run or something like that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:24, 18 January 2021 (EST)
Yes the issue being I don't actually know id it was a "limited print run" as yu say or merely dealer listing hype. --Mavmaramis 09:56, 19 January 2021 (EST)

WEIRD TALES ISSUE NOT IN ISFDB

Weird Tales [#359.wfc, October 2011] (Nth Dimension Media, 50pp, ebook) Billed as a “Special Preview Issue”, this short item was made available to the attendees at the recent World Fantasy Con. The Wrath of Stan · Meg Oppenberg · ss More than Mercy · Jean Pavia · ss To Be a Star · Parke Godwin · ss The Waters of Sorrow (Parallel Earth: Age of Steam) · Tanith Lee · ss Sherlock Holmes and the Gift of Freedom · Christian Endres · ss; subtitled “Holmes in Wonderland”.; translated from the German.

The above info is from philsp.com. This was apparently Meg Oppenberg's only genre story since she doesn't appear on ISFDB. "Jean Pavia" is actually Jean Paiva, who was a horror writer who died in 1989. Marvin Kaye had a bunch of her unpublished stories which he's been publishing in his various anthologies and magazines for many years. The Godwin story was actually reprinted in a later issue of Weird Tales. The Lee story was reprinted as "The Waters of Sorrow" in one of her collections. The Endres story may be part of a series since his ISFDB page lists a bunch of other Holmes stories. So all of this involves creating a new record for Oppenberg, fixing Pavia's name, merging Godwin's story, creating a title variant for Lee's story, and figuring out where Endres' story fits in with all his other Sherlock Holmes titles. I don't have the patience, but if anyone thinks this issue belongs on ISFDB, feel free.--Username 08:55, 17 January 2021 (EST)

It's been added. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 13:22, 18 January 2021 (EST)

WHISPERS AND SHADOWS

OK, guys, I did lots of detective work for this rare 2001 (unpublished?) anthology edited by Jack Fisher which has been sitting empty since I started using ISFDB years ago except for 1 or 2 stories. Through checking bibliographies online (or, in a couple of cases, bibliographies that only exist on ancient websites found at Archive.org) I have pieced together most of the contents here, possibly the only place on the web that lists all the contents in one place. HOWEVER, 3 stories still elude me. One is by Henrik Johnsson, who apparently ran a website called The Classic Horror & Fantasy in the early days of the internet, but info about his story in this book or a personal website for him seem non-existent. The other stories are by Gary Braunbeck and Jeff Vandermeer, both famous authors, but their bibliographies don't mention this book at all. Can anyone help complete this damned book by identifying these titles?--Username 19:50, 18 January 2021 (EST)

YES! I noticed there was a review for this book on locusmag.com, but it's nowhere to be found on Google. Typing the link into archive.org brought up the review, [3], which talked about ALL THE STORIES in the book! Turns out the contents have been available for close to 20 years! And contents entered on ISFDB by me previously were almost exactly right except for a missing letter in Parks' story; funny that she misspelled her own story on her old website! Turns out the Braunbeck and VanderMeer stories were reprints that have appeared in many other places, but the Johnsson story has been laying unknown since 2002! A copy of the book is still needed to enter page #'s, but otherwise this book is complete. Another winner from --Username 17:40, 8 February 2021 (EST)

Suspiciously similar art by the same artist

Hello Mods. Not my own discovery but someone noticed the distinct similarity between these two Chris Foss pieces. Moonbeast and The Bloodstar Conspiracy. I'd like to add a note to the cover art titles to that effect if that's alright. --Mavmaramis 10:55, 19 January 2021 (EST)

There appears to already be a note in Moonbeast and in the other one's parent to point out that these are very similar so if you find something under a new name to be careful where you variant it but if you want to expand it, go ahead. Annie 12:25, 19 January 2021 (EST)
Alrighty looks like it's been covered already. No further action needed. --Mavmaramis 16:51, 19 January 2021 (EST)

change to price of canadian edition of phule's company

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?441443 Verified by bluesman, no longer participating. Price is $4.95 not 4.75. Enlargement of cover photo confirms. gzuckier 16:51, 19 January 2021 (EST)

Thanks for this one! I changed the entry accordingly. Stonecreek 03:30, 20 January 2021 (EST)

Slight cockup

I uploaded this cover art before realising I don't have the 2000 edition. And yes my 2003 reprint is green. Would a kind mod revert it back please and thatk you. --Mavmaramis 13:26, 20 January 2021 (EST)

Done. Stonecreek 13:28, 20 January 2021 (EST)
Than you. Apologies for the error. --Mavmaramis 16:11, 20 January 2021 (EST)

Charles Waugh works

This is Charles G. Waugh. I have more books with fantastic content to submit, but, coming from the cars with running boards generation, I have no idea how to do it. If a live person gets in touch with me at kittyman@peoplepc.com, I will send back the titles, tables of content, and brief descriptions of appropriate stories. If someone sends me an address, I will send a copy of each of my recent books so they can be verified. Since a lot of work goes into my anthologies, I'm sure I have a number of items you currently do not have listed. appropriate recent works are:

  • 2019
    • THE GIANT OMNIBUS OF 3,302 ORIGINAL DAFFYNITIONS (Pueblo, CO: SamTeddy Publishing, 2019). Co-edited with Joe Leff. (several sections relate to sf/fantasy/horror)
      • examples: Cinderella's Moral: There is victory in de feet. Goldrush Vampire Attacks: Yukon Count on me.
    • WEIRD TRAILS (Pueblo, CO: SamTeddy Publishing, 2019). Co-edited with Cynthia Ward. (supernatural westerns)
  • 2020
    • DAMNED YANKEES (Pueblo, CO: SamTeddy Publishing, 2020). Co-edited with Rick Hautula. (new England Horror Stories)
    • HUMANOID HORRORS (Pueblo, CO: SamTeddy Publishing, 2020). Co-edited with Jon Schlenker and Jeff Linscott.
    • WORLD'S BEST PIRATE STORIES (Pueblo, CO: SamTeddy Publishing, 2020). Co-edited with Alex Miller. (one supernatural story)
  • 2021
    • EGYPTIAN BIZARRE (Pueblo, CO: SamTeddy Publishing, 2021). Co-edited with Jon Schlenker and Jeffery Linscott.

And at least 8 to 10 more appropriate theme anthologies will appear this year. Charles —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Dr. Charles G. Waugh (talk • contribs) . 20:31, 21 January 2021 (EST)

I'm happy to help you out. I'll send you an email. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:46, 22 January 2021 (EST)

The Hugo Winners: Volume 4

Hello Mods. Regarding this. I was looking up this title and noted it states "Second half of The Hugo Winners: Volume 4 anthology". It took me quite some time to find the first half being this title. This isn't noted under the Anthology listing. Would the easiest way to link the tow halves to make a variant for each title (of the full Anthology) ? --Mavmaramis 12:00, 24 January 2021 (EST)

Moderator

So I've been fixing and adding issues of Fang, and discovered previous editor didn't include a co-author, Ron Moody, of 1 of the stories, "Satan Stone". I added his name but I wasn't clear or moderator wasn't. The way it looks now is that it was a variant title of a story originally written by Pusillo alone when it's actually by 2 separate authors. Nothing showed up under Ron Moody when I searched his record. When I made another edit to explain this, moderator just added Language: English to Moody's record. That's happened a few times before. So could some other moderator fix this? Maybe I'm wrong, but it doesn't seem right to me. --Username 11:01, 25 January 2021 (EST)

Yep, well spotted. I 'think' the issue was caused by the fact that the co-author Ron Moody was only added to the variant record, and not also to the parent record, screwing up the way the database displays the titles on the author's summary page. I have fixed it, have a look on Ron Moody's page, and here: Fang #3, 1992. Let us know if this is not what you wanted. MagicUnk 14:45, 26 January 2021 (EST)

A Pad in the Straw

Hello my friends. So this Christopher Woodforde collection was recently extensively fixed up by me, correcting several story titles, adding page #'s to the original 1952 edition, correcting date of and adding cover artist to the paperback reprint, etc. I think all is correct now, but there's 1 problem. When I replaced the paperback cover with a nicer one, it said the image URL was already on file. It turns out that's because someone recently entered a record for an author named "John Woodforde" [4] and had entered this book in 2 editions, using the same image I did for one of them, hence the "already on file" note. Since the author's real name is clearly on the book covers, I have no idea what to think. What do you think? Is this really necessary? --Username 19:00, 27 January 2021 (EST)

No idea why it was entered as John, but I've fixed it and merged all the duplicates. You can see them here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 20:02, 27 January 2021 (EST)

Something strange

So I was looking at this publication. Something funny is going on with the ISBN. Looking it up on ISBN search (and Abe) one gets this book. Something entirely different. Although ABE dealer listing for the Ellsion volume do give the ISBN as 1-880325-07-1 but when you click on the ISBN (for the dealer listing here it shows you the Alan Moore book. --Mavmaramis 05:10, 28 January 2021 (EST)

It seems that one more time something has happened that shouldn't have happened: an ISBN was used two times for unrelated editions. There are a few examples even within the database (for the ISBN might have been used on an unspeculative (non-genre) title. Christian Stonecreek 05:21, 28 January 2021 (EST)
Alrighty thanks Christan. So I wasn't going mad then. --Mavmaramis 10:46, 28 January 2021 (EST)

Juan Gimenez

Re this publication. I purhased a copy of this volume plus a copy of The Fourth Power. Both of these are graphic novels. Should the Starr Conspiracy not be deleted ?? Also the Juan Gimenez listed as author should be this Juan Gimenez - i.e. the same author as him --Mavmaramis 13:22, 28 January 2021 (EST)

Yes, it should. Want to submit the deletion request? Annie 13:39, 28 January 2021 (EST)
Deletion request submitted for this and for the two editions of The Trigan Empire. --Mavmaramis 14:48, 28 January 2021 (EST)
What now to do with the reviews for these titles?--Dirk P Broer 06:20, 31 January 2021 (EST)
They should be replaced with essays of the form "Review of TITLE by AUTHOR (graphic novel)". Review of ineligible publications are entered as essays. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:17, 31 January 2021 (EST)

Straczynski

Hell-o. So Demon Night by J. Michael Straczynski has covers on ISFDB for all eds. except the Sphere reprint ([5]). There is an awful cover photo on Amazon which has been copied on many other sites, that looks like someone shone a spotlight on it, so you can barely see the art. Oddly, while doing a Google image search the same cover popped up looking perfectly clear and legible ([6]). It's from Goodreads and thus can't be used here, but the important thing is the cover credits the book to JM Straczynski unlike all other eds. which use his full name, including 3 foreign eds. which are on Goodreads but not on ISFDB. Whether the Sphere ed. uses his full name on the title page is unknown unless someone can check a physical copy. --Username 11:07, 30 January 2021 (EST)

I grabbed the image from Goodreads and uploaded it here. If we can find one without the handwritten price on the top right, that will be even better. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 12:56, 1 February 2021 (EST)

Robin Brown

Hello Mods. Once again alerted by a 3rd party regarding this aurhor. I have been made aware of a dealer listing for When the Wood Became the Trees along with another in the same series "A Forest Is a Long Time Growing" 1967. Both are about a near future racial conflict in Rhodesia. Both titles not present under author's biblipography. And no I don't have access to physical copies of either publication. Don't shoot me I'm only the messanger (again). --Mavmaramis 11:23, 1 February 2021 (EST)

change to contents of starquake

http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?436708 Verified by bluesman, no longer participating. Added listing for Technical Appendix, which is more of a scientific essay explaining the science rather than fiction. Already an entry for it in the http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/pl.cgi?33031 edition. gzuckier 00:09, 2 February 2021 (EST)

C. D. Pamely

Hell-o. So I tried fixing Pamely's record for [7], stating in my edit that the artist credited was not in any way associated with the very rare original 1926 edition but rather did the artwork for a rare 1998 reprint, [8]. He signed the book and everything. The moderator who rejected my edit said he did so because Worldcat's record for this book includes Fletcher's name. Leaving aside the fact that Worldcat is a gigantic site with countless pages that have incorrect info on them, it seems obvious that whichever editor added Fletcher's name to ISFDB just copied from Worldcat without double-checking other sources like I do. So whoever reads this, Fletcher's name should be removed from Pamely's record (and maybe added to a new record for the Caliban reprint). All hail --Username 10:40, 2 February 2021 (EST)

I've unrejected the edit. I'd highly recommend that you add a note on the publication record explaining why you believe the Worldcat record to be in error. Otherwise, someone coming across this may add the artwork back. Thanks. --Ron ~ RtraceTalk 17:56, 2 February 2021 (EST)

I just went ahead and put together a quick new record for the 1998 reprint with a link in the "note to moderator section" to a page that explains that the artwork was done for the new edition. The Worldcat record is definitely in error. --Username 21:24, 2 February 2021 (EST)

Quayle

Hell-o. So I did an edit recently for the original hc of Lamia, [9], which explained that the cover art credited to MATHEW Quayle was wrong, since a beautiful illustration on the back cover clearly showed his signature as MATTHEW Quayle. Moderator approved my edit with a note explaining the name discrepancy, but this same artist also did the art for the original 1988 hc of Demon Night, [10], of which a section was reused for the ibooks reprint's cover. He's credited as MATHEW Quayle on ISFDB, so I searched on Google Books and a search inside the ibooks edition, [11], for the word "Quayle" brought up 1 hit, which was from the back cover and stated the cover art's copyright 1983 by MATTHEW Quayle. So I suppose the artist's name should be corrected like it was with Lamia, but what about that date? --Username 18:04, 3 February 2021 (EST)

Land Leviathan more opinions

If one or two of y'all could pop in here and offer an opinion, that would be helpful. Thanks! ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:05, 3 February 2021 (EST)

Done. Looks like a Quarter Books book to me quite honestly - posted an explanation on why over in the thread. Hope that helps. Annie 18:16, 3 February 2021 (EST)
Thanks! All fixed. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 19:05, 3 February 2021 (EST)
I will add it to my list to track down the PVs for the few other books that seem to suffer from the same malady so we can move them if needed (and in the process we may learn more about this whole mess) - just when I think that I know what to expect from the old books and something like that shows up. :) Annie 20:18, 3 February 2021 (EST)

Modifying the welcome template

We seem to have a lot of problems with new editors not knowing how to post on Wiki even though they can edit the DB - people are used to Single Sign On these days so having to login again seems to be a bit counterintuitive. So should we add a sentence in our Welcome template to tell a new editor how they can edit the Wiki (aka - you need to login here again using the same credentials)? Any proposals on exact wording (I will try to come up with a wording tomorrow if noone wants to tackle that). Annie 21:17, 5 February 2021 (EST)

I think that's a good idea. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 16:10, 8 February 2021 (EST)
If you're going to make changes re. login docs, it might also be worth explicitly noting that you can get logged out of the wiki whilst still be logged into the main site - this has sometimes caused me momentary confusion when switching between the two sites. (Are they using different cookies with different expiry times perhaps?) Assuming that that isn't just some weirdness with my browser (Vivaldi) that no-one else suffers... ErsatzCulture 17:43, 8 February 2021 (EST)
This is just for the "welcome" message (this one on your page), not the login docs (do we have any?) -- we cannot add everything in there but as long as people know there are two logins, they can figure out the rest... or we can add it on help pages.
And nope - it happens to me all the time (the different timing). I just login again and keep going ;) Annie 17:50, 8 February 2021 (EST)
There are these pages that can be modified as needed. There are a lot of them. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 18:58, 8 February 2021 (EST)

Julia Verlinger graphic adaption

I picked up a paperbck copy of Retroworld which seems to be an adaption of Les Voies d'Almagiel and Horlemonde in two halves sub-titled "The Ways Of Almagiel" and "The Hydras of Argolide." Given that a graphic adaption of Downward to the Earth from the same publisher is included can a moderator tell me if the above graphic adaption qualifies for inclusion ? --Mavmaramis 09:40, 6 February 2021 (EST)

I would not have approved "Downward to the Earth" either - Silverberg had nothing to do with the adaptation so the "over the treshold" overriding the "no graphic novels" does not apply... A GN where one of our authors provides the words (think Gaiman) is a different story but this is a bit different. But wait for other opinions as well - that seems to be one of those grey areas where we really need to decide what we want to do because different editors have different opinions... Annie 16:25, 8 February 2021 (EST)
Thanks Annie. I suspect that in these four cases they are merely adaptions for which the authors had no involvemnet. Also see Night and the Enemy; The Stars My Destination and Empire. If someone decides they shouldn't be included then I have no objections to their removal. --Mavmaramis 01:43, 9 February 2021 (EST)
I think Empire and Night and the Enemy both had active involvement from the original authors. Perhaps its time to re-visit the criteria for excluding graphic content. The Science Fiction Graphic Novel publication series would clearly be in scope if they weren't "graphic". While I understand we don't want to fill the database with graphic novels, speculative fiction adaptations may be an area we can allow. TAWeiss 09:56, 10 February 2021 (EST)
Feel free to open a R&S discussion on that but as the rules stand now, "Comic books, manga, and graphic novels" are specifically excluded from the definition of "speculative fiction" and the only way for non-speculative fiction to be added is if it comes from the above threshold (point 4) exception or as part of a genre magazine/publication. If the authors are involved and they are considered the authors for the book and they are above the threshold, we are good under the current rules. If they are not - we need to qualify what is allowed. I'd be happy to be able to add some of my GN/comics collection... :) Annie 10:22, 10 February 2021 (EST)

I Apologize, Part 3

When I added this fanzine I forgot to add several major pieces of data. If accepted, I will correct this submission and add the proper information. MLB 22:31, 10 February 2021 (EST)

Done. And no need to apologize :) Two things to add while you are editing anyway: an explanation on the usage of "el" instead of "El" (we regularize titles unless we have a reason not to - in which case notes are mandatory) and a link to the webzine :) Annie 09:40, 11 February 2021 (EST)
Just saw this, these are on my list. "el" is exactly how it is spelled on the website. Just following the publisher's directions. MLB 20:07, 14 February 2021 (EST)

Name change: "Francis O'Connell" to "Sean Francis O'Connell"

This artist record appears to exist based on a single Dune cover, which in turn seems to be from information in an issue of Locus. I have a copy of Dune with that cover, which credits "Sean Francis O'Connell", as does my copy of this pub of Dune Messiah, which is currently lacking an artist credit.

Googling for "dune francis o'connell" finds several references to Sean Francis O'Connell, but the only ones to the Sean-less name seem to be based on the ISFDB record. As such, this feels like something that doesn't merit an alternative name record, but maybe just changing value in the canonical name field, and adding a note about the Sean-less version? Anyone able to do the honours?

(No worries if the consensus is that this should instead be modelled as two separate author records.) ErsatzCulture 11:17, 13 February 2021 (EST)

Book at hand beats secondary sources. If you have the same edition, different printing, fix it and note where the exact credit is from and the discrepancy with the initial source. If it is just the same art but different edition/publisher though, we will variant until we prove that the artist is credited differently. Annie 13:10, 13 February 2021 (EST)
Ever feeling like you're having one of those days?
Trying a different search on "hodder dune o'connell" finds a *third* version of this artist's name: "Sean O'Connell". e.g. tor.com, publisher's site via Google Cache, because the "real" page now serves a Wordpress error".
As yet, I've yet to find any official online presence for this artist that might indicate what their preferred name is.
Looks like doing variants and lots of notes is going to be the safest bet... ErsatzCulture 13:37, 13 February 2021 (EST)
There is one more thing in play here - for artist credits from secondary sources, there is also a rule or at least a practice (I’ll try to find it later) to use canonical names if we are not sure how the source credits and its policies. So if this is in play here, that may mean just notes. :) Always fun, isn’t it? Just document whatever you add doing - if it ever needs changing, it is much easier if we know why it was done that way. Annie 13:55, 13 February 2021 (EST)

Fantasy & Science Fiction

I recently had to look something up, and found that the The Magazine of Fantasy & Science Fiction's site hasn't been updated in eight months. I hope that I'm not being presumptuous in asking if anybody could update this. I would, but I haven't even seen a copy in over ten years. And I'm already looking after five magazines (Analog, Asimov's, Alfred Hitchcock's, Ellery Queen's, and Kaleidotrope), plus I'm looking at updating Beneath Ceaseless Skies if I get the time. So, someone needs to do it. MLB 20:38, 14 February 2021 (EST)

It is not the only one that have fallen behind - a few of the editors who used to work magazines are not around anymore so we are a bit behind... I will see what I can do over the weekend -- I have all the issues on my kindle, just need to work through them... :) Annie 14:49, 17 February 2021 (EST)

How do I do this correctly??

Hopefully this is the proper place to ask this question. I recently found a full scan of the Conan the Invincible book with art by Ron Walotsky. I went to the uploads page and uploaded the file with name CNNTINV1982Full.jpg. I did not replace the current link not knowing if that was proper or not. Moderator Dirk P Broer rejected it saying "It makes no sense to upload covers into digital limbo". OK so what should I have done?? I still have the original file. aardvark7 13:45, 17 February 2021 (EST)

Go to the book you have the cover for. Use the upload link there to add your image. If the path to the new image is different from what is now in the field in the publication, update the link in the image field of the book :)
  • One note - if the book has verifiers, let them know about the new cover, regardless if you edit the field (especially if you do not). If the new image is better than the old ones, it will stay. If someone disagrees, reverting to the old one is easy. Annie 14:47, 17 February 2021 (EST)
Thanks for the info! One more dumb question. How do I contact a verifier? aardvark7 22:12, 17 February 2021 (EST)
Click on their name to get to their user page - the table with verifications shows the last activity in the last column - while notifying everyone is good, the active verifiers are crucial: someone that had not been here since 2010 is very unlikely to resurface; someone that had been here in the last year might :). Then go to the Talk page (the second tab). Use the plus sign to start a new thread/message (the same way you started this one here) :) Annie 23:04, 17 February 2021 (EST)

Replaced cover

Replaced the cover of the 1982 Tor version of Conan the Invincible with a full view version. Link www.isfdb.org/wiki/images/b/bf/CNNTINV1982Full.jpg aardvark7 12:42, 18 February 2021 (EST)

This book? And you did not follow the instructions I explained above... :) Please do NOT just add the image somewhere in a random place in the wiki. Instead when uploading cover ALWAYS use the "Upload new cover scan" link in the book. That creates predictable names, avoids collisions and makes sure that the cover is actually archived properly (as it is in a predictable place). It also means that the various covers for the same book are on the same history list (until we delete the older ones) - allowing to recover if a mistake happen...
So let's try this again? Go to the book and upload the file where it belongs - then the path will not need changing and we won't lose the cover one day due to a mistake... :) Annie 14:02, 18 February 2021 (EST)

Dark Regions/Weird Wild West

[12] was entered years ago, yet there's another empty record with bad info, [13]. However, it contains a review that the full entry doesn't have, so maybe that should be moved to proper record and empty record deleted. --Username 23:33, 19 February 2021 (EST)

This is a bit tricky. EDITOR records are special cases because of how we organize yearly records so they do not get linked to reviews. May need to convert the review to an essay and connect via the notes. Let me think on the best way to untangle this. Annie 15:53, 24 February 2021 (EST)

Satan's Mistress

Can someone put the 1982 edition of this book, [14], with all the other editions? Previous editor added #2 to title making ISFDB think it was a separate book. I fixed that and tried to put with other editions under Downward to Darkness 1 but every time it's approved something else is wrong. I entered my 1978 copy's info also, so all other editions should be after that one, but as of now there are 2 separate entries for this book. --Username 15:41, 24 February 2021 (EST)

Done. Annie 15:47, 24 February 2021 (EST)

I Apologize, Part 4

I've been working on the magazine Beneath Ceaseless Skies and I screwed up a bunch of entries. I'm trying to correct them. I blame multiple issues with identical covers, an identical format, a website which has a different publishing date than Amazon (a week later), no dates on the cover images, fighting a kidney infection, and idiocy on my part. I've done this before, y'know, none of which is an excuse. But, it just goes to show that nobody should ever trust me to even get near a moderator's job. Sorry! MLB 22:59, 24 February 2021 (EST)

Oh, by-the-way, this magazine is listed as a ebook, but shouldn't it be listed as a webzine? MLB 23:00, 24 February 2021 (EST)
It is both - it is distributed as an ebook and it is also a webzine. So if you are adding the ebook version from Amazon, it should be ebook. If you are adding the webzine version, it should be a webzine. We want both formats technically. :) Annie 23:23, 24 February 2021 (EST)
Right! That helped. Now my brain hurts, I need a drink, and I need to lie down. MLB 04:48, 25 February 2021 (EST)
I've tried adding both right now, we'll see how that works out. MLB 00:58, 28 February 2021 (EST)

Ghost Story cover

So there's a Pocket Books edition of Peter Straub's Ghost Story with the words "NOW A MAJOR MOTION PICTURE!" in the upper left but incredibly out of the many covers for this novel on ISFDB, including several Pocket editions, none have that cover. The Amazon page, [15], says November 1981 which makes sense because that's the year the movie was released, but the ISBN is already taken on ISFDB with a cover that doesn't match this one. Cool finding new info for a guy as famous as Peter Straub, but where does this cover belong? --Username 12:49, 27 February 2021 (EST)

Best Black Magic Stories

[16] has a 1963 paper edition just added by me, but someone previously entered a 1960 paper edition which I think is wrong because it has the same cover as the hard edition. Cross' anthology Best Horror Stories also had a paper edition a few years later with the same style of cover, so I think the 1960 tp edition of Black Magic should be deleted. --Username 08:54, 28 February 2021 (EST)

I think you're right and will delete the 1960 tp publication: this seems to have been entered solely on OCLC's guess of '[1960]' as year of publication; but in the early 1960s a tp edition within the same year as the hc one would have been very uncommon. Thanks for finding it. Stonecreek 11:51, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Correct covers

So I found the tp cover of Acquainted With the Night. It was sideways but still perfectly clear and the color was brighter than the faded hc edition on ISFDB. It was rejected because moderator said he found a better one on Fantlab. Problem is that's the hc which is obvious from some of the pictures showing the book itself. I wrote a note explaining this and asked for the tp cover to be unrejected and entered on ISFDB. The same moderator rejected that with a note, "I think the rejected one was terrible", and not using my cover. So I'd like this cover, [17], added to ISFDB as the tp cover, unless someone has their own copy they can upload the cover from. Otherwise, the cover that's under tp now doesn't belong because it's for the hc. --Username 11:41, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Retitled story

I found a copy of Best British Horror 2015 (ed. Johnny Mains) on archive.org and used it to fix the ISFDB record. The pages were not entered and turns out the total # of pages was much higher on ISFDB than the actual book, 1 story entered in contents was not actually in the book, a reprint of a story by the recently deceased Graham Joyce was not entered at all, etc. It's much better now, but there's still a problem; a story by Simon Kurt Unsworth, "Private Ambulance", was already entered on ISFDB by me when I entered the missing contents for Best New Horror #26 recently. It was retitled "The Night Run" in that book, with a note in the copyrights saying it was originally published under the other name in Noir. Noir is here on ISFDB, [18], but with missing contents. So I don't know if I should bother changing the title in the Mains anthology since "The Night Run" seems to be the preferred title when the story was reprinted. --Username 12:32, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Thanks for the catch! But yes, if the titles are different, we index both of them: we go by the printed title (and printed author's name) at the beginning of an item (here: a story), all other variants stated elsewhere in a publication (for example cover, table of contents, or back cover) are irrelevant, as are earlier, later or 'preferred' (canonical) titles. So, yes, please, do the fixing. We do encourage you to do it! Stonecreek 13:07, 3 March 2021 (EST)

Abusive Regularization

Please, can Stonecreek refrain his/her "regularizations" like this one, I've specifically entering the book as "Le seigneur des anneaux: Livre II: La communauté de l'anneau" because it's in fact the second half of the first "novel" of the trilogy ("La communauté de l'anneau" in french), exactly what was done for the first half of the first "novel". The result is now simply pure bullshit as it now seems that this book has exactly the same content as the whole first "novel". Such modifications by an editor that knows zilch about the subject and who operates behind my back without discussion/notification are particularly annoying.
I'll let him/her clean up his mess.AlainLeBris 10:46, 5 March 2021 (EST)

If it's only a part of the original novel, it's up to the notes (for the publication and/or the title) to emphasize this. We overcame quite a long time ago to not use the series title as part of the title proper (and that came up exactly because of this title series).
And while we're at it: please give the translator - at least for the title, but it's also welcome for a given publication - since different translations constitute different titles: so it's quite mandatory to know which title the entry is dealing with. Stonecreek 11:16, 5 March 2021 (EST)
I have done just that for the title: it's better if you'd add the information to the publications also. Stonecreek 11:29, 5 March 2021 (EST)
Let's be a bit careful here; not having the series title is an informal rule only (not documented (yet) afaik), and is overruled in any case by the rule that says title and subtitle are to be separated by a colon. Hence, since Livre II: La communauté de L'anneau is a subtitle, let them be. There's no harm done, is much clearer to the casual (and not-so-casual) browser, and I don't really see the value of being overzealous in removing series titles from titles in the first place, especially not where they make sense as in this case.
Another reason to have these subtitles in this case is to ensure no merging can happen by accident. If I didn't look too closely, I'd be merging the three titles into one, and that would really be a mess - it has happened before, so... MagicUnk 11:55, 5 March 2021 (EST)
Not including the series in the title is a documented standard. See "Subtitles" under Template:PublicationFields:Title. That said, the standard assumes series where books have different titles. Keeping something to disambiguate books with the same title makes sense. We typically use Book # (or Livre # in this case) in these situations. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:55, 6 March 2021 (EST)
That's right. Based on prior experience, we may need to clarify the Help text to account for series whose constituent works share the same title. We have had cases of editors becoming confused by the current Help wording when entering titles like Succubus Lord 12 or Der Totengräbersohn: Buch 1. Ahasuerus 10:09, 6 March 2021 (EST)
Another thing to consider is the fact that, as of 2 months ago, the ISFDB software supports Edit History for all record types. Granted, it's not comprehensive because certain types of submissions can't be linked (or displayed) for technical reasons. Still, in many cases Edit History lets editors identify those who have worked on the about-to-be-changed data in the past. We may want to update Help to let editors know that this functionality is available and should be used to discuss proposed changes or at least notify other editors about the change(s). It would be a rather significant change, so we would want to consider the wording and the implications carefully. Ahasuerus 10:09, 6 March 2021 (EST)
This last possibilty shouldn't happen per title notes.
I didn't think of the possibilty of 'Livre I: ...' / 'Livre II: ...'. Of course, that can be done. Stonecreek 12:59, 5 March 2021 (EST)
And this would have not escalated if you had bothered to talk to the editor (who is also the verifier here) and a VERY new editor before changing their data with no explanation when you approved their submission and then silently changed it. Part of working editors' submissions is actually coaching and working with them - and that is crucially important when dealing with new editors. Which you know very well - but chose not to do here for some reason...
And in this case, removing any modifier is going to cause confusion (regardless if you add notes or not) - split novels using the full name for a part of the novel are better off left with an identifier that actually shows what they are IMO. Plus it makes it clearer to a browsing user what is going on - policies are great but when they impede understanding and cause confusion, we have a problem. Annie 14:40, 5 March 2021 (EST)

(unindent) Stonecreek, last year we agreed that you wouldn't be working on other editors' submissions. A few months later I noticed that you were still doing it, at which point you re-committed to only working on self-moderation.

Checking the database now, I see that you have processed 107 submissions by other editors since 2021-01-01, including multiple submissions by AlainLeBris like this one. Please explain. Ahasuerus 18:25, 5 March 2021 (EST)

Well, I thought that it'd would help to lighten the very long chain of submissions by approving obvious ones that are perfectly okay. Stonecreek 00:03, 6 March 2021 (EST)
The intent is laudable, but that's not what our agreement said. Please abide by it.
Also, I have created FR 1401, Add support for "self-moderation only", which should help address this issue in the software. The functionality has been requested in the past and, once implemented, should give us more options going forward. I hope to have it implemented later this month. Ahasuerus 10:28, 6 March 2021 (EST)

Abusive merging

While we're at it, can Dirk P. Broer cease to merge the two records of the cover of "La planète des singes", it's the THIRD time that I umerge them and that he/she re-merges them. As I've explained at leat twice in my unmerge submissions, the 1981 cover is credited to M. Laverdet and the 1984 cover is credited to Laverdet, both should be kept separate and varianted individually to the Marcel Laverdet record. All this is of course donne without questionning me and probably without noticing my messages to moderators. Such blindness is quite tiring. AlainLeBris 10:54, 5 March 2021 (EST)

Yeah, this should not have happened a second time :( I will ping Dirk - the History of titles is relatively new and sometimes the editors who had been here longer forget they have it now.
I've unmerged, changed the name and varianted the new record (and pseudonymed the new artist name version). Please check if they look ok now or if more changes are needed. Annie 11:21, 5 March 2021 (EST)
Each and every time this creeps up at 'Alternate Names with Canonical Titles', upon which the record in question is merged with the canonical. There is no intentional abusive merging, but perhaps faulty varianting. AlainLeBris has a habit of creating empty cover records and asking for the deletion of the populated ones too. Seems to me that in this case a simple name change was so much better than the unmerging that took place.--Dirk P Broer 11:35, 5 March 2021 (EST)
You're too shallow in your analysis. To change the credit of one out of two items of a merged record need an unmerging then an update of the detached record then a varianting (a three step process as taking the delete/update/variant route). Note that my edits routinely take more than two days to be processed and that I've tried quite often to explain the things to you like in my SECOND try but it seems that you're not ready to take the pain to reserch your subject and that you're content to think that a contributor may be stupid enough to submit thrice the same edits.
As for deleting populated records, you'd better have a look at the Edit Histories that'll show you that I targeted "empty" records for deletion but that you merged those empty records (before processing my submissions) with the populated ones and kept the ex-empty identifier instead of the populated one so my aim was thrown out because of your actions. That's not "a faulty method of entering variants" (as you wrote), just sloppy moderation. I'm surely ignorant but not as much as trying to delete populated records.AlainLeBris 13:40, 7 March 2021 (EST)
And it is perfectly okay to have art under the canonical name subsumized (= merged). The rules for art are a bit different than for texts. We credit by signature to the canonical, we credit miscredited art to the canonical and we even credit by pure knowledge: if we know a piece of art is by a certain artist but is uncredited, it's possible to don't index 'uncredited', but the canonical name (and that is mandatory for cover art). And an abbreviation like 'Laverdet' or 'M. Laverdet' can also directly be credited to the canonical name. (Proper pseudonyms like Edward Miller are a different case, though). Stonecreek 12:56, 5 March 2021 (EST)
No, it is not even remotely OK to use a canonical name when the credit is IN the book. Both books are verified and the verifier (of both) is trying to fix the books they hold in their hands. A check of the two cover records would have uncovered that and having them merged back again 3 times means that noone looked at the history at all. Annie 14:10, 5 March 2021 (EST)
Not the case here though -- a name change would have changed it in both books; an Add/Remove title would have worked but new editors may not think of it. I do not see anything on AlainLeBris's page where he had been advised and coached in how to fix such cases (if he does it so often that you recognize the name, I expect you reached out to him to assist them in understanding how the system work?) and he is a very new editor so still finding his way around the DB. If I see the same title creeping up in the same report multiple times, I would try to track down why - you either have an inexperienced editor on your hands (who needs some help) or something else is going on. Or you will keep need to fix it 100 more times which is losing everyone's time. Annie 14:18, 5 March 2021 (EST)
With name change in this case I mean a request to a moderator to change the name for the specific publication where the name should be different from what it is in the database.--Dirk P Broer 13:38, 8 March 2021 (EST)
Like he did here and here and here? All unmerges had moderator notes explaining why they were needed. An editor cannot do much more than that. If the moderator who approves an unmerge chooses to assist and fix one of the new titles or even create the variants needed, that is fine. But it is not mandatory and often letting an editor do the complete chain on a long update is useful -- so they understand how the whole system works. An editor can ask for a moderator to finish something in the notes (which is what you are saying I think?) but in such cases I am very likely to go to the editor and see if we can get them to be a bit more independent instead of asking a moderator to finish the edits. And even if they ask, it may still be missed -- we all miss things.
Unless you are saying that editors should just leave messages on the CS board/inside of moderator notes and leave any multi-steps processes to moderators and moderators should be the only ones doing some of these steps... And if that is the case, I am vehemently against such an idea - editors will never learn how the system works until they use it (and abuse it) multiple times in the semi-safe manner of moderated submissions. :) Annie 18:02, 9 March 2021 (EST)

Shroud

Added cover for this issue, [19], saw Jaq Greenspon, one of the authors in it, tried to enter info back in 2015 (as Captainjaq) when it came out, didn't know how to do it right, moderator rejected his cover, told him to try again, but he obviously never uploaded a suitable cover. Now that I've entered a cover I notice subtitle of magazine is different than cover and judging by online photos seems to have changed several times over Shroud's history, So anyone who's familiar with this mag may want to look into it and clean up if they can. --Username 19:01, 6 March 2021 (EST)

Stonecreek's moderator flag suspended; Moderator list cleaned up

Stonecreek has been self-moderating for the last year. The latest discussion on his Talk page uncovered a problem with understanding the ISFDB data entry rules. The problem potentially affects 9263 (and possibly more) of his submissions and will require a significant amount of work to review and clean up. While the process is ongoing, Stonecreek's moderator flag has been suspended. It will be reviewed once the work has been completed and software support for a "self-moderator only" flag has been added.

I have also updated Template:Moderator-availability‎, moved currently inactive moderators to the "Currently unavailable section" and removed Bluesman, who hasn't been a moderator since 2018. Ahasuerus 11:20, 7 March 2021 (EST)

Naturally, I disagree: the assumed mistakes were for setting notes of 'First printing'. But when we know an entry for any possible printing (including the first) of a given edition would look the same as the one we have in the database (or has a definitive printing statement), it is meaningful to denominate 'ours' as the first: this way we have the first printing in the db, and any further printing of that year will be listed after it, we have it clear that a possible further printing of that year will have to be added, and we have the general information visible that we go as deep as the level of printing in ISFDB. And if you refer to the possibility that the cover image might differ for a different printing: well, without a primary verifier or a dependable source for it, we don't even know if the image we display does represent the edition (or the specific printing). Stonecreek 12:47, 7 March 2021 (EST)
Template:PublicationFields:PubNote says:
  • If there is no printing information beyond the edition date, and no specific "first printing" statement, it is likely that this is a first printing, and you can put "Appears to be first printing of 1974 Puffin edition."
If you think that this data entry standard should be changed, you can start a discussion on the Rules and Standards page. Until the rules are changed, this is the standard that editors should use and moderators should enforce.
When using data from secondary sources, we record what they state. If we make additional statements about the publication -- such as "First printing" -- which are not in the secondary sources, we need to explain that it's derived data and how it was derived from secondary sources, e.g.:
  • Data from Lulu. The Lulu publication date (2006-09-18) is a year later than the magazine date, so this is most likely not the first publication of this issue.
Ahasuerus 13:50, 7 March 2021 (EST)

A couple of Paul Wests could do with name cleanup

Paul West (1931-) was actually born in 1930, and has a year of death (presumably these were altered and added respectively to the database after the record was created), so the parenthesized bit might be better as "(1930-2015)" ?

Paul West (?-) also has birth and death years (maybe not known at time of entry), so the parenthesized bit would be better as "(1871-1918)".

I assume these are only like they are due to oversight, rather than stuff depending on the names as-is, given that all the URLs use numeric IDs? ErsatzCulture 17:27, 9 March 2021 (EST)

The dates were added long after the author names were created and noone thought to sort them out. Fixed. We usually add only the birth year these days but that works as well ;) Thanks for finding them! Annie 17:35, 9 March 2021 (EST)

Savage Heroes

Bunch of different PV's for [20]; this, [21], says original British ed. was 1975, not 1977, and this, [22], says American ed. is June 1980. I don't own any copies so I can't verify anything, I just thought I'd leave this info here for those who have copies so they can figure it out. --Username 23:58, 9 March 2021 (EST)

1 of the photos here, [23], shows a bit of the copyright page where you can see 1975, so there's a missing original edition on ISFDB. I've seen W.H. Allen online, so it was probably a hardcover. --Username 00:04, 10 March 2021 (EST)

Well, there's no trace of an earlier publication to be found with Amazon or OCLC / WorldCat: there's only a copyright statement for 1975, which per se only is an indicator (apparently in this case for a belated publication), and W. H. Allen is the copyright owner because the publisher Star is owned by this house. Be careful: a copyright statement for a given year doesn't mean that there has to be a publication in that year! Stonecreek 01:42, 10 March 2021 (EST)
And for the US edition: The month for the tp edition was taken from the April issue of Locus, which seems more reliable. Stonecreek 05:36, 10 March 2021 (EST)

A handful of Parry's anthologies have hardcover W.H. Allen editions, so there may well be a prior Savage Heroes edition; 1 photo on Fantlab for the Taplinger edition shows a review copy with a clear "Publication date: June 30, 1980" so Locus' date is questionable. --Username 09:57, 10 March 2021 (EST)

Well, it might be possible that the hardcover edition was published after the tp one, but that should have been noted in Locus - maybe in a later issue (and would pose a more singular example). If you like, change the pub. date of the hc edition with giving the source. Stonecreek 12:31, 10 March 2021 (EST)
Without an actual trace for a prior publication (OCLC really should have it, and somebody would like to sell it), it really seems the other way round: a hc edition might have been planned for 1975 or early 1976 but was cancelled a short time before the publication. Stonecreek 12:35, 10 March 2021 (EST)

Colmore

[24] seems redundant. Should that pseud. record just be made part of Colmore's record? --Username 10:38, 12 March 2021 (EST)

Depends on how it was credited in the book - it looks as a misunderstanding of our pseudonym system. I will ask the editor who added it and work with them on that. :) Annie 14:16, 12 March 2021 (EST)

Open Legs

A nermansbooks.com search for title "Open Legs" by Shana Rae, [25], says 1971, not 1977, and also says it was illustrated by Kate Greenaway, who died 120 years ago according to ISFDB, so maybe they used old illustrations unless there was another Kate Greenaway, and has an ISBN, 0425175405, which other Bee-Line books don't on ISFDB except for this one, [26], which is from 1976 and has a higher ISBN # than Open Legs which makes me believe Open Legs is much earlier than 1977. Just documenting all this info so when someone finds a copy of Open Legs and looks inside and sees it says 1971 the year can be changed here. --Username 14:05, 12 March 2021 (EST)

Add this information to the title record, not here. If someone finds the version, they won't check if we MAY have something about it on the Wiki. All research for a specific title should be added to the title itself. Thanks! Annie 14:18, 12 March 2021 (EST)

Author Merge Request

Hi. I inadvertently created an alternate name for an author, where there is none. The correct, canonical name is "Ayana R. Abdallah", and the incorrect alternate name is "Ayana Abdallah". All of the works by this author are in the 2011 "Sense of Wonder" by Leigh Ronald Grossman, and all should be by "Ayana R. Abdallah". The Help page notes that an Author Merge can only be performed by a moderator. Thanks.Dave888 17:28, 13 March 2021 (EST)

Done. -- JLaTondre (talk) 17:48, 13 March 2021 (EST)
Thanks.Dave888 18:34, 13 March 2021 (EST)

"New editor" warnings added to submission review pages

As per FR 1305, all moderator review pages have been modified to display the words "New editor with [number of edits] Wiki edits" for submissions created by editors with less than 20 Wiki edits. Ahasuerus 17:13, 18 March 2021 (EDT)

Awesome! Thanks for that. :) Annie 19:10, 18 March 2021 (EDT)

The Harlot Killer

Noticed this anthology had no page #'s entered, entered them from picclick.com copy, changed price to $0.35 based on cover, submitted edit, then looked at cover on ISFDB and realized it said $0.25, so I don't know if it's a second printing or what since I can't find anywhere else that has a photo of that $0.35 cover, so disregard my price change, or someone who has a copy can check and see if it has a price of $0.35 and see what printing it is so it can be entered as such. --Username 11:18, 19 March 2021 (EDT)

Redundant Ackerman

[27]; I corrected a few things and added a link to the complete book on archive.org, but later I noticed there's another edition with no PV that seems redundant. Should the bit of info in the notes be moved to the PV'd edition and redundant edition deleted? --Username 18:58, 19 March 2021 (EDT)

Yes, that would be good! Please move ahead! Stonecreek 01:46, 20 March 2021 (EDT)
And you're welcome to ask me any questions about it. I'm the PV on one of the editions. I got the book directly from Ackerman himself. :) ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 11:56, 22 March 2021 (EDT)

submission typo

I mis-entered Walter Wangerin's name with my submission for Dragon #70. Sorry for the confusion. TAWeiss 22:54, 23 March 2021 (EDT)

Approved. You can now fix it and you will need to link the review manually (the automated linking happens only during the initial creation of the review). Let me know if you need any assistance. Annie 23:08, 23 March 2021 (EDT)

Missing "THE"

Added cover to [28]'s The English Gothic Cinema (Equinox / Avon), but there's a record for English Gothic Cinema with a link to Worldcat that seems like it belongs with the full-titled version, so maybe that incomplete title should be deleted and Worldcat link moved to British edition of full title. --Username 16:48, 24 March 2021 (EDT)

Roberta Lannes

I linked 2 names, the above and Roberta Lannes-Sealey, and moderator accepted but then wrote a comment that they're not the same person, which made no sense. I added 2 comments of my own verifying they are the same person, since she married a man named Sealey; [29]. This was all quite a while ago, and I just randomly thought of it tonight and couldn't believe it was still there after all this time. So can someone remove this unnecessary comment? --Username 02:01, 25 March 2021 (EDT)

That comment was written 2017, well before your submission, and by a user who is no longer active. We no longer use the Author: wiki pages. I have deleted the page. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:27, 4 April 2021 (EDT)

Author Merge Request - Sonja Fritsche

Hi. I inadvertently created an alternate name for an author, where there is none. The correct, canonical name is "Sonja Fritzsche", and the incorrect alternate name is "Sonja Fritsche", as was created for the "Science Fiction in Western Europe (Sense of Wonder)" essay in Grossman's "Sense of Wonder". The Help page notes that an Author Merge can only be performed by a moderator. My thanks to DirkP for catching this. Thanks for your help.Dave888 13:17, 25 March 2021 (EDT)

You do not need a merge for that - as Sonja Fritsche has a single title, just edit her name inside of that title and that is all that is needed. :) I did that now. Merges are useful if you have a LOT of titles so you do not need to update them all. One or two? just update the titles. Annie 13:20, 25 March 2021 (EDT)
I did not know that. Thanks like usual. I will take note of this for the future.Dave888 13:22, 25 March 2021 (EDT)

"Empty Containers" cleanup reports updated

As per FR 1404, our two "Empty Containers" cleanup reports (Magazines and Anthologies/Collections) have been updated. After clicking "Ignore", you are now redirected back to the same page that you were on as opposed to the main cleanup report page. If the resulting Web page has no records, a message and a link which lets you go back to the main report are displayed. Ahasuerus 14:30, 26 March 2021 (EDT)

Dell problems

[30] says TP and nearly $15 price but cover is a $3.95 PB. Don't know if cover should be replaced with TP cover (if there is one) or info changed to PB and $3.95. I've been going through Dell's books and adding/fixing stuff and noticed there's a lot of confusion about format, missing covers, etc. Others should take a look and see what they can do to verify things. --Username 16:57, 27 March 2021 (EDT)

ALERT!

Moderators, this is USERNAME. I'd like to draw attention to my recent Elvisland entry on Community Portal, and the unsigned, undated spammish reply I got shortly afterwards. Might be nothing, or might be something. Thoughts? --Username 21:34, 27 March 2021 (EDT)

Just seems to be an enthusiastic user who is not familiar with how the wiki works. -- JLaTondre (talk) 08:11, 28 March 2021 (EDT)
Yeah, just someone unfamiliar with how to post a new comment (not related to yours). No biggie. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe 17:10, 29 March 2021 (EDT)

Hasty rejection

Can Dirk P. Broer please take some time to review (really review) the submissions before rejecting them with stupid reasons (in this case "already done", not really!). I've submitted this unmerge as a first step with explanations in order to end in a situation like this one with the newly titled collection (here "Prélude à l'éternité") varianted to the "Le livre d'or de la Science-Fiction: Isaac Asimov". To achieve this (after a cloning), I first had to separate the two titles by an unmerge, then variant the result. It's quite annoying to see my work rejected by someone that does not seem to read what I take some pain to explain. Note that that this is not the first time.AlainLeBris 10:58, 30 March 2021 (EDT)

Unrejected and approved. Adding moderator notes on all steps when doing things like that is useful -- mistakes happen even with them but they help. You can fix the now ejected title. Annie 11:47, 30 March 2021 (EDT)

Carousel

The parade of "adult" novels never ends, and my latest fight is with American Art Enterprises, which had a line of books in the early 80's under the Carousel imprint. Hilariously, whoever entered them on ISFDB mixed up some of them with books by a British CHILDREN"S book publisher in the 70's also named Carousel. I'm doing my usual great job fixing/adding info, but this, [31], I thought I'd ask about here. The first record is redundant and should be deleted, right? If so, do so. --Username 23:54, 30 March 2021 (EDT)

Fotonovel

[32]; I added cover to Love at First Bite, ISBN was in Catalog ID section, I moved it, it gave bad checksum, Amazon pages don't seem to have any ISBN so I can fix it; Lord of the Rings had same problem but that had an ISBN on Amazon which was different by 1 # so I entered it and now it's fine; 2 Body Snatchers books are redundant, 1 should probably be deleted; 1 has a previous editor's note about bad ISBN. So someone should take a look. --Username 00:30, 31 March 2021 (EDT)

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